In my experience, so many teams know each other, and when you approach a team because you want to drive, they will vet you. You might be a total stranger but if he's smart, he's going to ask the last team you drove for about you before he agrees to anything.
Personally the risk of ruin for this kind of business seems too high to be successful. But obviously Casey has figured out how to balance everything out to remain in the business for over 6 years.
They have the cars insured for what there worth just in case same as a athlete insuring his arm or leg for millions of dollars just gotta make sure you make more then you pay
@@hshshsjsjsjz6930 I doubt there is an insurance company in the world which will insure a race car. Normal car insurance is null and void if you take the car onto a race track.
When you have the conversation with an outfit to rent a car, they'll tell you how they cover themselves. The guys I know who do this require their drivers to pay an upfront damage contingency, agree to cover at fault damage, and clearly define what at fault means. Some of those guys have been at it for 40 years, so their terms are pretty air-tight at this point. There also seems to be a big difference in longevity between outfits that can do their own prep, and those that have to outsource. The long-standing arive and drive outfit I know of is a formula car team that builds their own chassis and preps their own engines. The next longest is a factory distributor for a chassis manufacturer. Having to pay retail to replace a written off racecar would be a huge financial drain for any driver funded team.
I have a lot of respect for the teams and manufacturers that offer these services (race car rental/hire, arrive & drive, full trackside race support, coaching, etc.). I race karts and someday hope to progress to cars and races like the ones mentioned. Note for anyone offering these services: please put it in your website, include details, and keep it updated!!! I hate finding a team offering something cool like spec miata or endurance rentals and then seeing that they haven’t updated the website since 2018.
Casey is a nice guy. My exhaust cracked started dragging on the group. He gave me his metal cloth hanger so at least I can finish my day at the track. Thank you Casey!
As for the road trip survival kit. You may consider a jump box/ air compressor. I have one on every road trip I take and have used the air compressor function more often than the jump box feature. They often have usb charging on them as well.
these are the reasons that while i do some endurance racing, its really more of a track day with open passing compared to a knock out drag out sprint race.
In LeMons, it can be $100-$800, for late models, $15,000-$20,000, for a full season of Formula 4, usually over $175,000. Rental kart leagues are really fun and usually around $100 for a full race day.
My guess $12-14k per driver depending on the series & a lot of details (tires/crew/support). That's based on my renting seats to foks in a few lesser series.
If you want to go racing for cheap you can rent seats in Lemons, ChampCar, and other similar series. I have a car that is shared ownership with friends that we race but I had time off work that lined up with a race they couldn’t do. For $1200 plus my own travel and lodging I got to experience a track that I’d been on several times but in a wheel to wheel environment. The guys I rented from were rad and it was a great experience. I’ve got a second car I’m trying to build solo to rent seats in. Hopefully I can make it work.
To each their own but for about $400 my son and I can race plenty of hare scrambles/enduros within a four hour radius from our home and I guarantee we’re having at least as much fun. Teaming up with strangers and possibly not getting a chance to drive? No way in he//…..
Sign up for an HPDE at your local track. Pretty much all of them will require that a newbie take their classroom sessions in between on track sessions. You will need a helmet and fresh brake fluid. At a minimum. Don’t be surprised when you’re slow. Driving on a track is nothing like driving on the street. Braking is unlike anything you ever experienced.
It's likely not still like this cuz I haven't rented a track in over 20 years but the way I started getting track time was I'd get a group of like minded kids together & we'd chip in to rent or offer our services as free labor around the track in exchange for time on smaller local tracks for starters. If I were in a new place, I'd ask people in the local scene if they knew of any tracks. That's how I got on very exclusive private tracks (ones that involved my father signing a crazy waiver in front of a traveling notary on my behalf & signing an NDA before people really knew what those were) more than once before track owners started inviting me on their own after I got a bit of success as a teen. You could just Google small local tracks that sell spots to new racers & see what comes up. Go in with a few friends, invite everyone's family & have a race (make sure you clean up after yourselves & follow the track rules as this is a very small scene & people talk to each other). Remember to check your insurance policy if you're using your daily as track time absolutely can & sometimes does void normal policies. Like if they find out that a track day happened somehow, you're dropped if it says no to track time in your policy. Then you have no insurance & nobody jumping to cover you, which is not a great spot to be in cuz the insurance you would be able to get tends to be crazy expensive. When we first started (before any sponsors showed up & before my dad's company really started taking off so he'd be more willing to fund bigger things), we used to buy or be given absolute hoopties & trailer them in as they weren't road legal anyway (no registration or insurance). I personally started more on the lemon/derby side of the sport as a kid & moved over as I got good. My dad gave me his older manual ranch truck to start learning how to drive when I was 7 & I was allowed to drive it all over certain areas of his huge farm/ranch. Idk if any of that would work now as I retired in my 20s due to my father being in renal failure at the same time I accidentally got pregnant. I figured it might be the only grandkid he'd ever get to meet so I decided to continue the pregnancy. I'd even argue she ended up saving his life as before he knew about her, he was more or less meh on getting better/fighting as all his kids were grown & he felt like he'd lived his life. After he found out about her, he turned his legendary stubbornness into doing his dialysis as directed, finding a donor, doing the rehab, actually visiting his doctors on his own when he's supposed to & taking all his meds as directed. He's still doing all the things his med team tells him to do & is still thriving now. I find the trade off I made to be the best one I've ever made. 20+ more years with dad over a racing career? Fair trade imo. I ran his company instead & retired in my very late 30s. No regrets at all. Good luck.
I consider myself a pretty solid car guy, but I have never heard of this type of business plan. Are the 4 drivers "investors" in that car/company? Regardless, congrats on all of your success.
No they’re average guys who want to participate in a race over the course of a weekend. They may not own racecars themselves so they “buy” spots for certain races (endurance driver lineup). They’ll typically pay entry fees and a flat rate for the car (fuel, tires all included, etc.) and at the end of the weekend they’ll shake hands and go home.
They are renting a seat for one weekend at a time. This is actually a pretty popular and smart option. You can get in a Miata for 3 grand and experience real racing. That’s a really small number compared to trying to go it alone.
Pit spies, seeing which driver is up next on which team and pairing skills on track between teams and I’ve never done any racing, don’t know what a wrench is and am a surfer. Don’t care or know anything about racing and I can just tell I’d outperform guys that dedicated their lives to it. Shrewdness and strategy wins , can’t teach it to some
Was there a secret comment sweepstakes or are you discounting skill coordination and strategy combined? I have quite a bit higher than average coordination, I also terrorize the 405 in LA and OC and blaze past all the super ads and these are the guys doing these paid team races. They are desk dorks with desk bellies and no stamina. Couple that with my strategy and I’ll smoke most guys that are into the sport. Send me to a socal track and put me to task. Let’s do a video! Lol@mrVINwiki-lr6lt
thats a wild amount of risk to rent a racecar seat to complete strangers. kudos to anyone who can make that work
In my experience, so many teams know each other, and when you approach a team because you want to drive, they will vet you. You might be a total stranger but if he's smart, he's going to ask the last team you drove for about you before he agrees to anything.
This man’s word count for the video is wild, he said a lot in a short amount of time. Something tells me 100% is true and kindly put.
It has been a ton of fun to watch Casey's rental fleet evolve over the years as I drop off the Lambos for his dad to service.
Thanks for Vinwiki! Liked the channel before your very unexpected Christmas vid. Loved it after!
Personally the risk of ruin for this kind of business seems too high to be successful. But obviously Casey has figured out how to balance everything out to remain in the business for over 6 years.
Getting to the point of choosing the clients, instead of the clients choosing you, is probably key here.
They have the cars insured for what there worth just in case same as a athlete insuring his arm or leg for millions of dollars just gotta make sure you make more then you pay
@@hshshsjsjsjz6930 I doubt there is an insurance company in the world which will insure a race car. Normal car insurance is null and void if you take the car onto a race track.
@@darkally1235 Hagerty sells HPDE and track day coverage for cars specify on the track.
When you have the conversation with an outfit to rent a car, they'll tell you how they cover themselves. The guys I know who do this require their drivers to pay an upfront damage contingency, agree to cover at fault damage, and clearly define what at fault means. Some of those guys have been at it for 40 years, so their terms are pretty air-tight at this point.
There also seems to be a big difference in longevity between outfits that can do their own prep, and those that have to outsource. The long-standing arive and drive outfit I know of is a formula car team that builds their own chassis and preps their own engines. The next longest is a factory distributor for a chassis manufacturer. Having to pay retail to replace a written off racecar would be a huge financial drain for any driver funded team.
I feel so bad for the three dudes who couldnt race.
Happened to me many times. Highest highs, lowest lows
It happens, part of the experience really. Same with ski trips or whatever, things with a lot of variables sometimes don't turn out perfectly.
Done this many times in WRL 9 and 14 hour races. The most fun you can have with your clothes on.
I have mechanical sympathy, but once enveloped in the fine red mist of competition, "The King of Late Brakers" always wants to drive.
I have a lot of respect for the teams and manufacturers that offer these services (race car rental/hire, arrive & drive, full trackside race support, coaching, etc.). I race karts and someday hope to progress to cars and races like the ones mentioned.
Note for anyone offering these services: please put it in your website, include details, and keep it updated!!! I hate finding a team offering something cool like spec miata or endurance rentals and then seeing that they haven’t updated the website since 2018.
Casey is a nice guy. My exhaust cracked started dragging on the group. He gave me his metal cloth hanger so at least I can finish my day at the track. Thank you Casey!
As for the road trip survival kit. You may consider a jump box/ air compressor. I have one on every road trip I take and have used the air compressor function more often than the jump box feature. They often have usb charging on them as well.
I would add shelf stable food of some kind and water.
Those are on the list!
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As someone who’s broken lots of transmission and axles drag racing. What is this mechanical sympathy you speak of 😂😂😂
When racing on a track especially endurance racing making sure the car is able to finish the race is part of racing.
@@btvbrndnI've seen teams at a Champ Race do a whole engine swap in 2hrs flat. Where theres a will there's a way
Man remember when Rabbit and Rob Ferretti used to come on VinWiki? Those were the days
Miss those days
As someone who works in that exact same business I can definitely say it’s a risky risky game to play
Mechanical sympathy…my wife and daughter don’t race, but they already lack this skill.
You should add a small electric air compressor to your toolkit. In the off chance you have to swap a tire or something. Its pretty big.
these are the reasons that while i do some endurance racing, its really more of a track day with open passing compared to a knock out drag out sprint race.
ballpark, how much are we talking to rent a seat on a race? and what's entry level for this?
In LeMons, it can be $100-$800, for late models, $15,000-$20,000, for a full season of Formula 4, usually over $175,000. Rental kart leagues are really fun and usually around $100 for a full race day.
“This is not just a jab at Freddy” 😂
I was waiting for a punchline or climax but this is it's own niche. I miss the good storytellers
Wait so how much is it to rent any of these cars for a race? Like how much would a rental in a gt4 cayman be for a race weekend?
My guess $12-14k per driver depending on the series & a lot of details (tires/crew/support). That's based on my renting seats to foks in a few lesser series.
If you want to go racing for cheap you can rent seats in Lemons, ChampCar, and other similar series. I have a car that is shared ownership with friends that we race but I had time off work that lined up with a race they couldn’t do. For $1200 plus my own travel and lodging I got to experience a track that I’d been on several times but in a wheel to wheel environment. The guys I rented from were rad and it was a great experience. I’ve got a second car I’m trying to build solo to rent seats in. Hopefully I can make it work.
There is a race car rental place in CT that rents street stocks to race at the oval track in Stafford, i think its less than $600 a race.
Teamwork makes the dream work.
To each their own but for about $400 my son and I can race plenty of hare scrambles/enduros within a four hour radius from our home and I guarantee we’re having at least as much fun. Teaming up with strangers and possibly not getting a chance to drive? No way in he//…..
How does one go about getting into races and racetrack im fairly experienced in driving hard just never been in track wanna get into it
Sign up for an HPDE at your local track. Pretty much all of them will require that a newbie take their classroom sessions in between on track sessions. You will need a helmet and fresh brake fluid. At a minimum. Don’t be surprised when you’re slow. Driving on a track is nothing like driving on the street. Braking is unlike anything you ever experienced.
Have a lot of money
It's likely not still like this cuz I haven't rented a track in over 20 years but the way I started getting track time was I'd get a group of like minded kids together & we'd chip in to rent or offer our services as free labor around the track in exchange for time on smaller local tracks for starters. If I were in a new place, I'd ask people in the local scene if they knew of any tracks. That's how I got on very exclusive private tracks (ones that involved my father signing a crazy waiver in front of a traveling notary on my behalf & signing an NDA before people really knew what those were) more than once before track owners started inviting me on their own after I got a bit of success as a teen.
You could just Google small local tracks that sell spots to new racers & see what comes up. Go in with a few friends, invite everyone's family & have a race (make sure you clean up after yourselves & follow the track rules as this is a very small scene & people talk to each other). Remember to check your insurance policy if you're using your daily as track time absolutely can & sometimes does void normal policies. Like if they find out that a track day happened somehow, you're dropped if it says no to track time in your policy. Then you have no insurance & nobody jumping to cover you, which is not a great spot to be in cuz the insurance you would be able to get tends to be crazy expensive.
When we first started (before any sponsors showed up & before my dad's company really started taking off so he'd be more willing to fund bigger things), we used to buy or be given absolute hoopties & trailer them in as they weren't road legal anyway (no registration or insurance). I personally started more on the lemon/derby side of the sport as a kid & moved over as I got good. My dad gave me his older manual ranch truck to start learning how to drive when I was 7 & I was allowed to drive it all over certain areas of his huge farm/ranch.
Idk if any of that would work now as I retired in my 20s due to my father being in renal failure at the same time I accidentally got pregnant. I figured it might be the only grandkid he'd ever get to meet so I decided to continue the pregnancy. I'd even argue she ended up saving his life as before he knew about her, he was more or less meh on getting better/fighting as all his kids were grown & he felt like he'd lived his life. After he found out about her, he turned his legendary stubbornness into doing his dialysis as directed, finding a donor, doing the rehab, actually visiting his doctors on his own when he's supposed to & taking all his meds as directed. He's still doing all the things his med team tells him to do & is still thriving now. I find the trade off I made to be the best one I've ever made. 20+ more years with dad over a racing career? Fair trade imo. I ran his company instead & retired in my very late 30s. No regrets at all.
Good luck.
@@samuraisaint2360 hey i drive on the track and i have no money! Can't figure out where it all goes though
This guy explained that like a master
This sounds like it would be so much fun
These tips are applicable to life in general!
i had to slow the video playback pace....ima back marker LoL
So basically dont let tanner faust drive your cars lol.
I paused at 7:01, that "cure NF with Jack" sticker.... is that Neurofibromatosis?
Yes
I consider myself a pretty solid car guy, but I have never heard of this type of business plan. Are the 4 drivers "investors" in that car/company? Regardless, congrats on all of your success.
No they’re average guys who want to participate in a race over the course of a weekend. They may not own racecars themselves so they “buy” spots for certain races (endurance driver lineup). They’ll typically pay entry fees and a flat rate for the car (fuel, tires all included, etc.) and at the end of the weekend they’ll shake hands and go home.
Thats awesome! Thanks for the clarification.@@DFRNT_Motorsports
They are renting a seat for one weekend at a time. This is actually a pretty popular and smart option. You can get in a Miata for 3 grand and experience real racing. That’s a really small number compared to trying to go it alone.
its John Ficarra's younger brother lol
John Ficarra from West Paterson?
Would definitely be fun
Brooo…..💀
I liked this
Dang
morning
Why ruin a perfectly good Porsche with tasteless mods?
they arent tasteless they serve a purpose
@@ShutnikActualIgnore him. Porsche people are the worst.
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you too mate
First
Pit spies, seeing which driver is up next on which team and pairing skills on track between teams and I’ve never done any racing, don’t know what a wrench is and am a surfer. Don’t care or know anything about racing and I can just tell I’d outperform guys that dedicated their lives to it. Shrewdness and strategy wins , can’t teach it to some
Was there a secret comment sweepstakes or are you discounting skill coordination and strategy combined? I have quite a bit higher than average coordination, I also terrorize the 405 in LA and OC and blaze past all the super ads and these are the guys doing these paid team races. They are desk dorks with desk bellies and no stamina. Couple that with my strategy and I’ll smoke most guys that are into the sport.
Send me to a socal track and put me to task. Let’s do a video! Lol@mrVINwiki-lr6lt
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dunning-Kruger, much?
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If you even knew how to use it correctly, still in moms basement?!?@@OUT0fEXILE
In rental kart leagues it’s mfs like you who get lapped by everyone 3 times over in one heat and walks away blaming everything but themselves.