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“By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.” Hebrews 11:3 ESV
We must eat of the Word to be "assad" men of God. (Matthew 4:4/Col.3:16) Yet with regards to the one new man, Paul says it was "bara". (Ephesians 2:14-15). If we see the truth that the only being in the universe who does not age or simply is new every day is GOD and shift from the object to the subject, perhaps we may see that the newness comes from GOD himself as the source. The emphasis is not as much what is the substance used but the result. That is why the translators picked the word CREATED for BARA and MADE for ASSAD and helps us distinguish both verbs. With respect to the praise and worship given by the Psalmist in Psalm 33, it is revealed that the heavens are earth were made not directly from God but through HIS WORD. In this case, the psalmist is hinting that there was something in between the creator and the creation.
@@adrianvarela8890 John 1:1 In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus Christ's spirit is YHWH. Jesus is 100% the father, and he was always been 100% in the father. Never apart. Never distinct. Nothing between. The one whom formed Adam from dust and breathed into his nostrils was Jesus. The one who walked with Adam was Jesus. The one who descended to Babel to see what the world was up to was Jesus. The fire in the bush was Jesus. The rock in the wilderness was Jesus. The pillar of fire was Jesus. The hand who wrote down the 10 commandments was Jesus. The glory Moses beheld was His, and it was the same glory partially displayed during the transfiguration event in the NT. Mankind looks like they do because that is His image. The flesh of Christ is the image of His glory, and we were made in His image.
I don’t get the controversy, but I’m willing to be convinced. I’ve always thought of the creation event from a set-theory point-of-view: 1) God already existed, and eternally and fully occupies whatever it is we refer to as the supernatural - that’s our word which is useful and ok. 2) God created a subset of reality with specific limitations (time, space, matter, laws, …). He created an “empty set” within the set of everything else, names things, fills it, enters it, etc. He created a void within reality - composed of literally nothing, and 3) then put new stuff in it. Supernatural is the “real” reality.
Interesting. What do you think of the simulation hypothesis? The Christian view on it is called the digital physics argument for God. It argues that the universe and everything in it is actually composed of pixels. Therefore, we are living in something akin to a computer simulation. That means there is someone infinitely powerful outside our universe. But rather than it being another computer system or IT developer, it is far more simple to just say that it’s God, and that the simulation emerges from His mind.
Look up Chuch Missler Digital Simulation. It explains a ton of the math and popular articles in modern scientific journals that back up the idea of living in a digital simulation. Aka finite smallness and finite bigness. There are definite knowable limits to the macro and micro of our universe. Hope this helps and God bless!
@@ethanhocking8229 Close. Let there be light not pixels [a computer couldn't contain the Cosmos, could it? Everything in the Cosmos (heavens and earth) is light or light energy. Sound is light slowed down and physical matter is light slowed way way way down. The scientific theory of string theory and it's 10 dimensions. I like to view it this way. You have frequencies or energies. Image you're listening to a radio station; let's say it the station 94.1 on broadband FM radio. (That's represents physical earth in this scenario) then Imagine there's lot of different stations and lots of different broadbands AM, FM, PM, QM etc and many others, but your antenna only tunes to the one frequency 94.1. You don't have a dial to turn and tune into any other frequency. That's how the other 10 dimensions or heavens [and there's possibly 12 heavens in total, 12 total ÷4 groupings = 3. ] The Bible mentions the third heaven 2 Cor. 12:1-4. Yahweh Elohim resides in the heights or highest heaven and He exists in all the broadband frequencies and all the channels [omnipresent]. Anyway we're physical beings here on earth and you don't exit this physical body or this frequency antenna until you die, then your spirit (light energy) returns to Yahweh Who gave it. Ecc. 12. The flesh body returns to dust (goes back to the earth) and the soul goes to Sheol/Hades. Once were given our Resurrection bodies or glorified body we'll be like the angels and we'll be able to tune into more frequencies and actually be with Yahweh Elohim. Once the New Heavens and New Earth are recreated all the dimensions are merged into one. At the First Resurrection our spirit will be merged with our soul and be given an uncorruptable glorified body. Any thoughts?
I am not a hologram! Saying the supernatural is the real reality sounds rather Buddhist or like we’re living in a dream. I can feel my mental shutters coming down, sorry, I’m too tired for this. I think I’m just going to rest in the Lord and trust he’s got me.
I love how our creator gives us an imagination, a window into the infinite. A window that he gives us just enough finite tools to get a glimpse of who this being truly is. Then to top it off this infinite being becomes finite to reconcile his creation back to himself. Why would he do that? Because of something that is so profound and yet simple love. A love we catch a glimpse of through our acts of kindness we show to family, friends, neighbors. Then when we show mercy, forgiveness and grace to those we disagree with, then we can stand in awe of an Infinite God that loved us so much that he sent his only son to extend that mercy, forgiveness and grace to you and I. That is Infinite Love.
Now is the time to be bold brothers and sisters. Stand up! Be the action arm of the Body Of Christ. Give, Love, feed and clothe the poor. Do great acts of kindness, pray for and forgive our enemies. Stand up Christian!!! Be the person you were called to be. You were MADE for This time. Praise God!!!
Someone made mention that the Words in Hebrew represent multiple meanings because of the addition of multiple letters. This is completely accurate. The letter Aleph represent The Godhead. Sometime reference to the Father as the Aleph. But the letters within the Aleph are a design or a an pictograph image of an alef the letter yud or dot above; a yud or dot below; and a diagonal vav, or line suspended in between. Alef represent the Father, Yud representative of Jesus the mediator between God and Man, and the VA which represents Man. Everyone knows that 6 is the letter of Man. So Bara is indeed carrying multiple words within a single word and there we also have multiple meanings of each latter and word combination throughout Hebrew.
BUY A GUN...did you do that yet like he COMMANDED....sell your coat if you don't have enough....I am more with the end game myself....where we pay back the WHORE twice as much as she gave us. Some callings are just different.
I feel like we need the longer form of this video. Dr. Heiser seems to be saying that a particular apologetics strategy (claiming Bara automatically means Ex-Nihlio) is bad, but with just this segment of the talk it sounds like he’s saying that God didn’t create Ex-Nihlio at all which I’m pretty sure Dr. Heiser doesn’t believe.
Yeah I agree it should be longer but for those interested in a related take Check out inspiring Philosophy’s video on Genesis 1a There definitely other chapters that indicate ex nihilio creation but not Genesis 1 as ancient Hebrews might not have been concerned with ex nihilio creation But post Aristotle readers would, so verses like John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 confirm ex nihilio
What @@mrarcade2504 said. In the ANE context, the writers would’ve seen the creation account of genesis as assigning function(alternate meaning of bara) to God’s cosmic temple at the point of whenever the story is supposed to take place - not at the beginning of time whenever material was created.
Wow thanks for explaining what youre talking about. Im sure everyone here has read unseen realm. Im sure it wouldve killwd you just to say one or two sentences of why you thought it was amazing read. Thank you.
Thanks Dr H, these little snippets are great and really make me think. I wish that I had the time (and intellect lol) to study under you tutelage. They always give me pause to think about how Awesome the Lord is. This particular one makes a lot of sense to me. I hope that your health is improving!
I'm finally getting around to reading Unseen. Love it. Explains things that I suspected and things that I never knew beyond Bible College and Seminary (funny how you said those words as I was typing them) that don't get much farther than the creation story being a polemic.
The concept “from nothing” in the context of Genesis 1:1 is “in the beginning,” a beginning in which God already was. While there could have been remaking and recreation as in the gap theory, at some point in the past, at the beginning, only God already was.
The gap theory is a modern innovation to help promote a "Pre-Adamic World" to fit an Old Earth of billions of years/The Big Bang (unprovable by any scientific research) and Darwinian Macroevolution (unproven so manipulated data). Straight from the pit of hell people. The Bible is inspired by God and is unchanged as God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever). A lot (not all) of Modern Science in these areas (geology, astrology, genealogy etc) is the inspiration of man's own limitations who seeks to second guess God, by becoming his own god (satan comes to mind)...The information in science journals is always changing unlike the Word of God. Why would God inspire people to contradict His Word? He wouldn't.
The rest of creation was made by his word. He said “let there be light” and there was light. The visible were made out of things that were invisible. When God made man, there was detail of how God out of the ground formed man. Dr.Heiser has a point, but it needs a longer video because it suggests an incomplete view in such a short video. God creating using his word alone is what makes him GOD. That is why when he says anything is possible for him, it has a weight in it because of how great he is in creation.
What that verse in hebrews really says is: “By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (back then) when they were made.” This ties in with the immediate context. (also, sorry but Logos meant plan, design, guideline - not word !)
It was written in Greek, not in Hebrew. This is a better translation for the verse. By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. Hebrews 11:3 NLT The focused word in this verse is "rhēmati" so down here is the definition. Strong's g4487 - Lexical: ῥῆμα - Transliteration: rhéma - Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter - Phonetic Spelling: hray'-mah - Definition: a thing spoken, (a) a word or saying of any kind, as command, report, promise, (b) a thing, matter, business. - Origin: From rheo; an utterance (individually, collectively or specially); by implication, a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever. - Usage: + evil, + nothing, saying, word. - Translated as (count): words (28), word (25), saying (5), matters (2), a message (1), by word (1), declaration (1), matter (1), of words (1), sayings (1), the word (1), thing (1), things (1).
Surely the letter specifically to Hebrews was written in Greek... But, even if, they still have their Jewish lenses on and will refer back to their texts.
@@lookinup3610 everything comes from unseen quarks and particles. Your foot is made of stuff that's unseen. I could twist this multiple ways for fun and to give you an unusual view of the text, but in the end OBVIOUSNESS is what's meant here. Faith is what counts on what's not yet obvious or bedazzling - the Greek clearly links it to shining.
The bible says that through the Word God made everything, period. 1 In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God. 3 Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.
I read the unseen realm and it has nearly as much footnotes as regular text. At first I tried reading the footnote as I read along, but it was too much, so I read the book and plan on rereading it WITH the footnotes. Could take awhile, but tons of references and information!!!
Since the heavens and the earth wasn't created out of nothing, what were they created out of? I believe God had a conversation with Job along these same lines.
I agree wholeheartedly we get to a place we will not like when we start demanding of the CREATOR... the Word of GOD is based solely on faith... the perilous times have arrived... the time to trust our CREATOR is at hand... just as the Kingdom of GOD was at hand while CHRIST was here. Focus on the narrow gate... may the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY have mercy on us most have become inundated with the world... that we that have been saved are not supposed to be a part of...the world is supposed to hate us, because it first hated CHRIST JESUS
@@undeserved1781 at hand or rather “near” in the Greek and the example Yeshua gave was the acts of healing, casting out demons, raising the dead, etc. The physical kingdom comes when He returns in glory visible to every eye as the son of man mentioned by Daniel (this is the heavenly sign the pharisees demanded to see).
@@AllOtherNamesUsed Is that not the Kingdom of Heaven and It's Glory... the Kingdom of GOD was at hand while the SON was here... fulfilling the Scriptures... "All Scripture must be fulfilled"... "And HIS own received HM not"... my wonder is do we see the Kingdom of GOD only after the White Throne Judgement
*Well, first you have to prove that 'Nothing' can even exist. How can we have a conversation about NOTHING when there is no possible way for us to define what NOTHING is? I don't believe in 'NOTHING' because I have no intellectual right to.*
Thank you Dr. Heiser for pointing out a text that is often misread. My understanding is that God physically created man and everything else on earth from matter that already existed. The earth was nill and void and by speaking light into existence is an indicator that incomplete earth was created out of nothing, but he created man and everything else on earth from matter that was created by Him, from nothing before chaotic earth. That process is not being spelled out. We as believers can sometimes be over zealous and do more damage than good because we don't read the Bible attentively. May God restore your health completely and bless you and your loved ones.
It took me awhile to realize that there was never a moment when there was nothing. There was and is and will Always be Farther So nothing can not will not have an existence. We can speculate what things are made of and the how and the why,but we do know it can not come nothing because nothing has no existence. Always farther his savior and spirit
What that verse in Hebrews really says is: “By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (back then) when they were made.” This ties in with the immediate context. (also, sorry but Logos meant plan, design, guideline - not word !)
I outline what the universe, as we know it, was created from in my video 'Sound reason' as well as references to the electrical processies that obscured them It is a paradigm shift,yet still consistent with Scripture, referenced in my video 'Begining of understanding ' I hope you'll consider watching Godspeed
Actually, I don't think we necessarily have a problem with Psalms 33:6 and heaven being asah. The "substance" or "material" used to asah is here identified as "the word of the Lord." That would agree with an ex nihilo creation in the beginning. Just food for thought.
He said his word is forever written in heaven. he also said his footstool is the earth and the heavens his throne. So where is he? In him we live breath and have our being. Christ in us.
The way I've read it, bara seems to be the the general word for creation as a whole, undifferentiated pure creation, versus the specified act of shaping some empirical form or another in a certain way. That is, the contrast of Man being formed in His image (a spiritual creation, the act of being given an animating consciousness formed after His own), and the act of the fleshly body being formed from dirt. To me the "ex nihilo" is implicit in the conception of metaphysical creation and is still at the back of any word connected to idea of creation no matter how specific or empiric (the body of a man, or any other animal, may be made of all the same minerals as the dirt around him, but it is the breath of life from the Divine Mind giving it such a radically different arrangement and continually cycling form, where previously none existed, which makes it an unique unified active agent rather than a passive collection of atomic elements). Ex nihilo creation in Genesis is not at conflict with the Psalmist either, mostly because in both places the ultimate point being made is a spiritual one, and neither does it seem to be of theological contention that God has explicitly, from all reasonable investigation of truth, both spoke everything into existence from seemingly nothing and formed innumerable incredible novel wonders from all the base material that has so long existed.
Can a thing be physical without it being composed of matter. If there could be such a thing, it seems to me such a incomprehensible thing with be of the other realm.
@@newtonbomb In Star Trek The Next Generation episode called The Next Phase La Forge and Ensign Ro are believed to be dead when a transporter mishap occurs but are substantial and alive on the Romulan ship but invisible to everyone else in real time. That might be a perfect example of our disconnect with the other realm.
*The only true CREATION TEXT in GEN is the very first Scripture. Everything else is God RESTORING Creation. So, we're missing A LOT of information most likely because it doesn't apply to us or God's purpose for us. He tends to OMIT that which we have no need of knowing.*
The phrasing of that verse implies that seen things were made from things that are _invisible._ The key point is that invisible things are still *things* and not nothings. We even have a word for those invisible things today - atoms. Atoms are quite real, physically, and are most certainly “things”.
I get the impression that Dr Heiser is warning of using Genesis 1:1 ALONE as an apologetic arguement with a learned atheist for the notion that God created the heavens and the earth out of NOTHING. In other words we need to know the fullness of the scripture to argue apologetics with people who have made it their business to refute scripture. Someone mentioned the Awakened Theology class below... I think I will check that out, sounds interesting.
Why? God created something where there originally was nothing. These atheists you speak of aren't very learned. God existed, and He is the "something" that atheists deny.
"I get the impression that Dr Heiser is warning of using Genesis 1:1 ALONE as an apologetic arguement with a learned atheist for the notion that God created the heavens and the earth out of NOTHING" *Which is FALLACIOUS from its onset. We are never instructed to VIEW the TRUTH out of RESPECT or CONCERN for the LIE opposing that TRUTH.*
@@thetruthchannel349 It is not out of respect or concern for the lie. It is being knowledgeable enough of the truth to be able to overturn and expose the lie. He does not advocate arguing for the sake of arguing as the scripture forbids such things, BUT, when face with an individual who has begun to question the lie, but has a firm grasp of it, it is well to know your scripture well enough to do more than spout out a few lines of scripture without truly understanding the meaning behind them. Here we are speaking of the MEAT, rather than the MILK of understanding. Be a mature Christian, know what you believe and WHY and be able to back it up with NUMEROUS scriptures, because there are numerous scriptures by which to defend the faith in all its aspects.
@@servantofmylord *These are NOT doctrinal issues. You cannot have a MILK or MEAT aspect where issues like this are concerned. A MATURE Christian would know this at first glance. I don't think you really understood my comment.*
If one believes that God is God as he reveals himself in Scripture, then one has 0 problems whatsoever believing that He created everything that is out of nothing. It is really that simple. I don't know the full context of this video, but I really hope this man is not suggesting otherwise.
@Emmanuel Perez Agreed. Initially earth was a mess. I believe it was created from nothing, before time and space existed (on earth), spoken in to existence for future use. Then He spoke light into existence an created man from existing material..We have to read the Bible carefully so that we are not being mislead and possibly mislead others. Dr Heiser is spot-on and just conveying what the Bible already states. God bless your heart and those if your loved ones too.
What’s the point of believing it as something hypothetically possible? Don’t we want to know the truth of what actually happened rather than something that is exegetically plausible? In other words, even if it’s totally within reason that God created everything out of nothing, don’t we want to know if that it what he actually did, or if maybe he created out of something?
I think Genesis 1:1 does imply the creation from nothing. But, there is nothing that states that billions of years and multiple recreations happened between Genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2. God can change the earth like we change cloths. The Bible makes it clear that it's not a book about the universe. It's a book about the generations of Adam.
There is no gap.... read Jubilees. The gap theology is an interpretation designed to conform the Bible to modern false science. The interpretation of Genesis is literal. Even Heiser, who doesn’t believe in a solid Firmament or the circle of the Earth, thinks that Genesis 1 is a literal description of events. Seven literal days for Creation, that’s it.
@@cmorales5 i don't think this person is saying that creation was not in 6, not 7, literal days. I think they are saying that between the creation of heaven and earth there could have been many years of time that went by before the actual formation of earth and creation of what is on it. V1 could be speaking of the creation of the heaven, space as we know it, and the earth prior to anything else being created. Notice that the sun, moon, stars, planets, etc in space were not there until the fourth day.
There's was a first earth age or eon. This same first earth is in the second earth age or eon currenly. Hence the gap theory in between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. Gen 2:4 these are the generations (more than 1) of the heavens and the earth. Yahweh said He knew us before we were placed in our mother's womb. Prophets He forknew Jer. 1:5, Job 3:6, Psm 51:50, Isa 24:34. Jacob He loved but Esau He hated. Rom 9:13 Why? Because Yahweh knew Esau before the katabole (Greek overthrow, casting down) during the first earth age. Yahweh knew Esau would reject Him. The 3 earth ages in 2 Peter 3:5-8. The first earth age was flooded by water (but not completely destroyed). Earth was created NOT in vain. Isa 45:18. The Elect's names written in the Lambs Book of Life at the foundation (katabole). Rev 13:8. The new or [renewed] heaven and earth in the future eternity. Rev 21. All total 3 Earth Ages [this current or second earth age is destroyed or cleansed by fire). Also see Genesis 1:6-9 the earth flooded by water and the dry land appears in verse 9 after the flood waters are divided into atmosphere and seas. See the dry land was already there, just was covered by water.
@@Stariana19 I'm trying to follow your logic and I think I can make some of it out. However, using the Hebrew or Greek out non common names is a little confusing and loses me. I think that this gap, or time, between Genesis 1 and 2 is prior to the creation that we see in the following verses. The reason that the water separated and dry land appears is not because of Noah's flood. It is because when the creation week starts the earth was covered by water. Interesting and good point on the 3 generations starting prior to the flood, in between and the new earth.
Thank you for showing that non-YEC interpretations of Genesis 1 can be exegetically supported. I've been told that scholarship ignores the "plain meaning" of the text by reinterpreting it with pagan sources.
Maybe it supports an old universe theory, but wouldn't it still potentially support a young earth? I think the argument being made is that the Earth was being created at that moment (possibly from existing matter). So "archaeological evidence" that supports "old earth" could still be suspect because if YEC is true, fossils didn't appear there until after it's creation. I guess it could lend credence to "evidence" like carbon dating.
@@trialbyfire7112 *The aging of fossils is very suspect to begin with. The entire concept of the Geologic Record is completely wrong. If you threw out everything that can be PROVEN does NOT work you'd have to toss out evolution. Thats the only reason you still have a GEOLOGIC COLUMN. Its the only reason you still have the label 'FOSSIL FUELS.'*
Sorry that it cut out where it did. I would have really liked to hear it all to the end. In my studies so far; _"bara"_ has nothing to do with create, make, build or form. 1) Bara is 54 times in the Hebrew Bible _(Tanakh)._ 2) It is only translated in Genesis chapter one as _"create"_ 3) Bara is a root-word, in the masculine form. Thus as a root-word, it can only have one meaning. 4) Everywhere else in the Tanakh, it is used in some form of fill or fatten. _(Both being the same thing in Hebrew.)_ 5) None of those other usages can be construed, in any way shape or form, to have anything to do with; creating, making, building or forming. But, they *all* concern giving something purpose and function, in defining something. In doing a reverse translation: 1) Create is 55 times in the King James Version. 2) Outside of Genesis chapter one, it is all over the place, replacing; build, make, and form. 3) Yet, not replacing *all* usages of; build, make, and form. Only _"some of them."_ Sorry but translators aren't allowed literary license. They can't just replace words with others, just because it fits their fancy. Then we get to the fact; that the word _"create"_ is an abstract. It has on its own, no definitive definition. 1) Scripture only uses an abstract, when there's no way around it. 2) *But* when it does use an abstract, it includes a definer, in that verse, or chapter. 3) And Genesis chapter one *has* another abstract later on. That abstract is the word; _"Good."_ And the word good _(tov)_ is about as much of an abstract as can get. It *must have* a definer. 4) The definer in Genesis chapter one for good *is;* the consequences of Bara, the giving of purpose and function. Filling the land and skies with creatures, and so on; gives _"the land and skies"_ purpose and function. And it is by that purpose and function, that the word _"good"_ then has a definition, and is no longer an abstract. 5) And yet, Greeks *love* abstracts. To them they are _"poetic."_ Thus that first translator; was blind to the contradictions; that his translation was _"creating."_ Lastly; Genesis chapter one, verse two, in Hebrew, is written in the past perfect progressive. As in; Before Genesis chapter one, verse one's; the land and skies, *_"had been_*_ without purpose and function,"_ not the _"was"_ that that translator used. Which means, they were already there, before chapter one starts. _(The word "void" is also a bad translation, and another abstract to boot.)_ Simply; Genesis chapter one is a beautiful telling of how God invested so much; into making everything in our world to have purpose and function. No one, no thing, is without that purpose and function. Never, ever; think so about yourself, or anyone/anything else. Everyone, and everything, matters to God immensely. And yet; while Genesis chapter one is a part of _The Creation Story,_ it is not the full story. That remains a mystery to us. We only know that; God made the heavens and the earth, and all things in them; known and unknown, seen and unseen.
The problem with looking at the usage of “create” verbs to determine whether Genesis 1 and other initial creation accounts were creation ex nihilo is that creation from nothing would be the ONLY example of that- Ie, nothing else is created from nothing so far as we know, do you shouldn’t expect to see “asa” or “bara “ used in that way Conceptually, God is the only self existent Being and everything else is by definition created from nothing- matter came into being
The New Testament also tells us about the creation event and clearly DOES affirm that the universe was created out of nothing. The Koine word for "made" in Jn 1:3 is "ginomai" (ἐγένετο). It's primary meaning is : "to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being" (Strong's and Thayer's and Wigham's Lexicons all agree on this). While the word's secondary sense can imply something like "forming" instead of creating, the strong emphasis in John's repetition of his claim that the Word created ALL things makes this use of "ginomai" unlikely.
No. Logos meant Design. Everything was transformed according to it. Forget ex-nihilo: What that verse in hebrews really says is: “By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (but available, back then) when they were made.” This ties in with the immediate context. Genesis starts off with a flooded planet. Nothing is made from nothing.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 You approach the text eisegetically to support your erroneous presuppositions. Logos does not mean design and ex nihilo is supported in both the old and new testaments. Mike is stuck in the old testament and ignores the reality of progressive revelation. Jesus is the climax of God’s self-revelation, and therefore the old must be interpreted through the new testament lens. Furthermore, according to your interpretation, matter would have to be eternal, which would be more of a monistic, pantheistic view of god - than a biblical one.
@@JSizzle179 on the contrary. I'm trying to rid the text of what we're traditionally reading into it. Logos most certainly doesn't mean word, but something close to instructions, reasoning, plan or what we call design today. This is what the light in Genesis 1 is. The Hebrew 'or is your Greek Logos that John is really thinking about. That logos was prior to everything else, because it was first. That's the beginning: day 1.
If the Hebrew word Yom can have varied meanings based on the context of the passage, so can bara. Just because bara doesn’t mean creation ex nihilo in Gen. 1:26 doesn’t mean it doesn’t have that function in Gen. 1:1. I wish he would have expanded on this video a bit because just out right dismissing creation ex nihilo because the word bara seems to have different meanings isn’t a valid objection in my opinion.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
@@Applest2oApples Yes, God exists and, in particular, the Word exists. God alone is contingent. Everything else was created. #3 states that the Word is not created, an affirmation that the Word is deity.
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"Psalm 33-6 "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Michael is right again. God didn't make anything from nothing.
Well if you mean the breath of his mouth was the material, thats consistent with Ex-nhilo. Out of nothing is simply implying he brought the physical universe into existence out of non existing physical matter. Hes complicating a matter that needs not be.
@@It-is-true-1689 yea i dont get that. I often share Gods unique ability to speak matter into existence with unbelievers when first cause is considered. Its a great start. Ironically, if we remove Gods unique ability to speak matter into existence, were stuck with the universe creating itself. A logical absurdity and unbiblical. When Christians say God brought forth the universe out of nothing, we understand its by his will, his command. And I or no Christian is implying God is nothing.
@@S3thousand Look at the verses where Dr. Heiser is at. Ask yourself is he referring to all of creation? Or just the earth account and everything on it? Dr. Heiser has stated before that the universe was more likely than not created in an instant by God, but the Genesis account is after the creation of the universe. God was working with an earth that was formless and void with deep waters. Can God Ex-nhilo? Sure. Did he do that for all of creation? Word of the Lord is also interesting it implies voice -> waveforms -> light -> matter. Also, is it really ex-nhilo if God is a mind? God's mind produced information. Information is what the natural laws, mathematics, physics, DNA all falls into. Mind influences matter.
@@JohnsonJLB As John Douglas pointed out Heiser is complicating things. The traditional, historical understanding of ex-nihilo is that creation out of nothing is a reference to the initial act of creation. AFTER creation ex-nihilo makes no sense as the material universe now exists. I'll go a step further and say not only is Heiser complicating matters, he's misunderstanding the use of ex-nihilo and creating an answer in search of a problem.
Creation "out of nothing" is a doctrine not a biblical text. It is philosophical theology, a ubset of "systematic theology". We can reasonably arrive at this doctrine as "biblical" without proof - texts. The Jewish rabbis essentially engaged in such a process long before the Latin phrase "ex nihilo".
I always heard that the Bara in Genesis 1:27 was about creating the soul. The essence of man. It wasn't the physical form because God had no body for us to be the image of, which is what the rest of the verse is talking about
Since Gen 1.1 lists the heavens before the earth, it makes sense that the earth was created out of the heavenly ‘substance’ which is described as water from which the earth emerged. Heavens (shamayim) in Hebrew contains the word for waters (mayim) plural, this is a big hint. And Ps 33.6 says the heavens were made by His Word which is breath/spirit, also seen in Gen 1.2 fluttering (dove?) over the waters. This is like birth out of the dark waters of the womb into the light and the new born takes his first breath (spirit) and cries out with a shout after a cycle of 40 (avg human gestation period is 40 weeks; themes seen in the Exodus and Christ’s baptism out of waters and 40 years/days of trial, or Noah’s flood, etc) - themes of Rosh Hashanah the Hebrew new year at the last trumpet at the end of time (of the year) when Yeshua came into the world the first time (Sept 11, 3 BCE with the star map shown in Rev 12) and comes back with a shout at the last trumpet when the dead are reborn from the earth to begin the new age of the 1000 year reign and overcome the waters of chaos (nations at war with the Lord). Praise the Lord of heavens and earth Yeshua Jesus.
Many or most of the miracles Christ performed involved water, including the first one John records like turning water into wine (the second wine is better than the first - ie, new covenant marriage/new creation/new man). The human body is also mostly made from water. Water has exotic properties unlike anything else.
There are heavens, plural. The first is the atmosphere where the birds are, the second is ‘outer space’ where the stars are, the “third heaven” as Paul called it (2Cor 12.2-4) is the invisible spiritual realm beyond the cosmos where the angels are.
Using chapter 2 is not right as it is likely 2 traditions, even if one does go full scale of 2 sources … Is the issue usually more about the phrase “ in the beginning “ … any other clause about this create out of nothing ?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. *All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.* ~ John 1:1-3 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are *all things* and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are *all things* and through whom we exist. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6 For by him *all things were created,* *in heaven and on earth,* *visible and invisible,* whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- *all things were created through him and for him.* ~ Colossians 1:16
Doesn't matter that it may not mean from nothing.. The Gospel of John says everything that was made was made by the Word. Nothing exists that He didn't make. All concepts and parts of parts could have existed before being used but He still made it ALL of it.
Since Gen 1.1 lists the heavens before the earth, it makes sense that the earth was created out of the heavenly ‘substance’ which is described as water from which the earth emerged. Heavens (shamayim) in Hebrew contains the word for waters (mayim) plural, so I think this is a big hint. This is like birth out of the dark waters of the womb into the light and the new born takes his first breath (spirit) and cries out with a shout - themes of Rosh Hashanah the Hebrew new year at the last trumpet at the end of time (of the year) when Yeshua came into the world the first time (Sept 11, 3 BCE with the star map shown in Rev 12) and comes back with a shout at the last trumpet when the dead are reborn from the earth to begin the new age of the 1000 year reign and overcome the waters of chaos (nations at war with the Lord). Praise the Lord of heavens and earth Yeshua Jesus.
Amen. Almighty God does not need us to pick Him apart to try and understand Him. He Is I Am Who I Am. He doesn't expect us to completely understand Him until we meet Him face to face
I have a study I wrote that touched on this. Basically, Paul states the third heaven, so we can conclude that there are 3 heavens. What is heaven in this context? The first heaven, or our atmosphere and immediate "space". Second, the universe. Third, God's place where He is at. In the beginning the heavens and Earth were created. Some time passed before that period and the forming of and population of earth. There is biblical language as used in Revelation to describe the earth in turmoil compared to when Satan is left here alone for 1000 years. Also, recognize that the conflict between Satan and Christ started prior to man being created. There was time prior to the beginning of time as we know it. Technically, we are a pause or an insert to eternal life due to sin. There will be a time, soon, when sin will be no more and we will live in eternity. Anyway, the sin of Satan in the heaven of God happened. Then God created another heaven, or realm, and Earth in which we live in and this has a beginning. God vanished Satan here to this world. This is the beginning, I believe, Genesis might be referring to. Notice how God calls our atmosphere, the 1st heaven, in Genesis 1:8-9. Then v14-20 the space, or universe, heaven as well. It is at this time that God puts the sun, moon, stars, planets in space. So in the beginning, it is speaking of the beginning of our universe and not of God's place, the third heaven. This is why it can be said that the earth has so many billions of years, because who knows how long God took between the creation of a formless earth and the actual forming and populating of it. God created the heaven and earth to quarantine Satan and his angels and allow Satan the chance to show his government. Of course, this doesn't mean that God created us to be miserable. He gave us the same opportunity as He did the angels of heaven to choose good or evil. Unfortunately we chose evil. I hope it makes sense.
That’s not based on Biblical cosmology. Biblical cosmology has the heavens order from ground to the clouds as first heaven, from the clouds to the firmament second heaven and the third heaven beyond the firmament. You’re welcome
@@zerotwo8047 Perfect. Then Dr. Heiser won’t have to do much show prep. Someone with a podcast should try to make it happen. I’d love to hear a friendly conversation about Biglino’s translations.
Gen1:1- Created- Bara- Context the world was without form and void. Gen1:26- Make- Aseh-to make, He used Earth to make Gen2:7- Formed- Yiser- to form, He used Earth to form As you always say, use context. Genesis and Psalm are not comparable for the sense of the verb. Genesis is recount, almost like a documentary and Psalm is recounting in a song. Two different contextual uses. Just as you used Psalms to dismiss Genesis, one can also use Genesis to dismiss Psalm, especially when given the full context, difference with void and Earth. I would be interested to see full video.
It seems here that Dr Heiser is trying to advocate for a preexisting matter before Genesis 1:1. Yet, if it were the case, the Bible wouldn't begin with "In the begining" because it would be false, of course. So, this short and simple analysis of the text is incomplete, since the logical part of the interpretation has not being applied at all in respect of the hebrew word Bara'. That's why I wonder if the OEC have a case at all with these kind of poor attempts to justify their position.
I don’t think this has to do with OEC, I believe the earth is older, but I also believe God created ex nihilo, as like you say, what would even be the point of calling it “the beginning” in that case and also, the Word tells us all that was made was made through Christ. So, there was a beginning of all things, which means there was a point where all things did not exist.
*For some reason Heiser seems like one of those guys that think 'evolution' is the only thing keeping atheists from believing. Despite the fact that Apostles completely upend that argument once and for all. 'Well, if we can give atheists evolution' maybe they'll give us Jesus.' Its completely ass-backwards*
Would you say the point of bara and asah as forming and not necessarily ex nihilo is Genesis 1-2 & Psalm 33 would be fully compatible if we found components of the universe pre-existed the Big Bang? ie, oscillating, quantum fluctuations, etc?
The bottom line: it starts with a supernatural God. If not, the entire universe arose from nothing for no particular reason with no particular plan other than random subsequent accident(s)/coincidences. Consider the staggering complexities and unknowns of our planet, solar system, galaxy and universe. Humans can't even effectively explain the origin of human consciousness or the realities of love. In our 'wisdom' we have become fools. I'll go with the Word of God.
Yep. I agree. The problem with a lot of Academics is they are programmed with Naturalistic values and processes - MOST of which we know are either incomplete or just inaccurate. You cannot view Supernaturalism through a lens of Naturalism and Materialism. Its like trying to view a room through a pin-hole.*
When people ask me, "Is God truly real"?? My reply is hardly of the standard "Garden Variety", but also very generic and often heard, as I myself ask in return, "Does a "bereshit" in the woods"??
I'd have to see the whole lecture, for this doesn't necessarily prove it one way or the other, just that bara can mean something other than create out of nothing. Also, the fact that the heaven and the earth (at least separately) are also "made" or "formed" doesn't disprove it, for we also colloquially say that God "made" them. No one in church or seminar will "correct" you when you say that God "made" the heaven and the earth. Besides, I also think that you have to grapple with the context of 1) bereshit in the absolute state and 2) the expression "the heaven and the earth" as representing "everything".
Ironic that the same people who say "something can't come from nothing, therefore God did it" simultaneously believe God made something come from nothing.
@@thetruthchannel349 If someone makes a first cause-style argument that hinges on the claim that "nothing" cant create anything and the claim that the universe was once in an empty state and required God to fill it, then the argument depends on THAT person's definition of nothing
@@TheYiffingAtheist "that the universe was once in an empty state" *No one made that claim either. You guys really aren't familiar with the material. I told one of your comrades on here. Ill help your Militant Atheist Global Initiative out. You're not even able to engage the argument because you dont understand it. Ill help you people out. l'll do sessions for $2500 per session. If youre going to attempt this con Id rather you did it with a certain amount of Excellence. Otherwise, you're just boring me.*
@@thetruthchannel349 As William Lane Craig would put it, "out of nothing, nothing comes." This is absolutely the statement that nothingness cannot cause something to come into existence. If nothingness COULD make something, then no God would be necessary. The contradiction is that if God made the universe out of nothing, then you just contradicted yourself by stating a situation where somthing came from nothing. BUT If he made it out of something, then something has always existed, so the question of how the universe could have come from nothing in the first place has a false assumption in it. If the universe was never in a state of emptyness, then it always existed. And by "universe" I mean the set of all things in existence. That would include our cosmos and any hypothetical multiverses. If there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing, then at some point something came from nothing. Otherwise, the universe always existed
The Catholic Church has become so full of talk of symbols. Bishop Barron recently told the world that Adam wasn't a person. Thank God for Protestants like you :)
Failed to mention that the heavens and the earth is a phrase used to mean, reality, existence or the universe, because they conceptualized it differently, so god created "reality" is the verse.
So if God used existing materials to create the cosmos, did those materials always exist as did God. I was under the impression that God spoke the cosmos into existence.
I would say the important question is - those who are worried about whether or not God created everything out of nothing or created everything out of something already there (technically not creating - but manipulating) Do you believe God CAN create out of nothing or He just chose to manipulate? I personally believe God CAN and DID create everything out of nothing and He can manipulate that which He has already created but for someone who thinks He can only manipulate what is already there that brings up some serious concerns for me about the person's faith in God. That is definitely a slippery slope.
I don't understand why he says it's bara for Genesis 1:1 and bara for Genesis 1:26 when it says yibra for Genesis 1:26 on the screen he is showing us. Even the Hebrew spelling is different.
This is more about thinking we'll rather than God creating something from nothing..., God created ALL things, yes he created man from dust, but he also created the dust.
@Dr.MichaelS.Heiser- i dont have neither the physics or hebrew background to fully study my hypothesis that Genesis 1:1 refers to a black hole. Not that the black hole is God but that this was from where God created all. The singularitu where physics breaks down and from where God separated light from dark with His word. I also think that time began with light and is not tied to gravity. Also, the work of the second day is the only evening without God calling it good. Is it because the work was not completed, hence the universe is still expanding? Just my initial thoughts. I have more but thought id start with these.
The universe is indeed expanding, and this actually proves God. I believe the Big Bang was exactly how God created it. Natural explosions don't create anything, on the contrary they destroy. So having a random big bang that randomly occured and happened to create live and order and the naturaly perfectly engineered world we live in is ludicrous. There was an intelligent design behind it, and the Big Bang was the big creation original way God used to make the cosmos.
If you drop a set of glass balls on the ground, they will break and it's pieces will be thrown in every direction. That's the universe God created, and we are in a moment in cosmos history where the pieces ( planets and stars) are still moving away from the location where they fell.
@@armandolima823 hi, im not sure i agree. (Notice i didn't say disagree, because i appreciate the thought.) I think its more like sound, it always moves, though its strength may wane. I see it as God spoke and yes an explosion may have happened, but the Lord set all boundaries. Have a great day. God is good.
Oh dear, the linguistic gymnastics this guys goes through are pretty cringeworthy. All to prove something false that MUST be true for God to be God - it's almost as if he has his own agenda... wonder what that could be...? Whose side is he on? Not to mention, in my Hebrew Tanach OT the word in Gen 1:26 is NOT Bara, but is asah - oh dear, prof! The burden was on you to prove your novel translation and you failed - and now I feel like you tried to trick me. Not a good look. I think I'll stick to my ex nihilo belief and certainty, confirmed by centuries of real Bible and Hebrew scholars. 1 Corinthians 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”"
@@andrewpery4787 Your dismissal of the meanings of בָּרָא (bara) and עָשָׂה (asah) discussed in the video by resorting to the charge that Heiser was a heretic is just an ad-hominem attack that simply avoids answering the question. Whether Heiser was a heretic doesn't change the meanings of בָּרָא (bara) and עָשָׂה (asah). Have you done a word study to establish whether it implies ex-nihilo creation anywhere else? It seems not. Indeed, had you bothered reading Genesis 1:2 as I suggested, even that should have been enough to disabuse you of that notion. Do yourself a favor and listen to Dr John Walton's 2016 Hayward Lectures. They're on TH-cam.
My Hebrew Tanach also uses "asah" in Genesis 1:26. So, I decided to look into Logos software for more insight. During my research, I discovered that Michael Heiser was an editor at Logos Bible Software. It left me shaking my head in disbelief.
Dr Michael, I hope you are feeling fine and on the mend. I wait with bated breath for your next clip of video where you unravel the mysteries of the bible. יוי
Where did 'out of nothing' doctrine originate? I have heard it over and over, and always thought it is missing something. The end tells us about the beginning. Everything is made out of Time... whatever that is. It looks like the 'new' creation is made out of something timeless rather than time. Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
If you were to make a human in your own image today [bio/AI clone], you would use plenty of silica, gold and other precious metals, water and iron/copper. All things you find in the ground of earth.
I always struggled with creation ex nihilo because I don't believe that God is a kind of magician presenting an object out of nothing. In my opinion we should focus on God being the supreme spirit. What we call matter, space and time could have his origin in the spirit of God. God is the source of everything we call "creation". His way of creating is making the invisible visible. And he is doing it by speaking it into existence. If he is saying for example "Let there be light" he already must have had a concept of what "light" is, before he did create it. So it has to "pre-exist" in him. Hope that makes sense.
When the Bible says "create" it's out of nothing. When it uses words such as "made" or "fashion" it's from stuff He has already created, out of nothing.
# fandude7, thank you. You explained in one sentence what this man is trying to wrap his head around. God Is Who He Is. We don't understand Him fully. Never will til we see Him face to face. Quick edit, 3 sentences lol. Take care
The Bible doesn’t say “create.” The Bible is written in Hebrew. Don’t assume that the English word we use to translate “bara” has the exact same meaning as the Hebrew.
@@fandude7 with all due respect, you’re wrong. Bara does not have to mean ex nihilo. Even Answers in Genesis, which takes about as conservative stance as possible on all matters related to creation, says it is absolutely wrong to try to force “out of nothing” onto “bara”.
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“By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.”
Hebrews 11:3 ESV
The word of God is Jesus. By faith we believe that Jesus created the world, because He is God. Yes.
@@konawolv absolutely 😊
Amen. Grace be to you all. Thanks for sharing this key bible verse. We need all of Scripture.
We must eat of the Word to be "assad" men of God. (Matthew 4:4/Col.3:16) Yet with regards to the one new man, Paul says it was "bara". (Ephesians 2:14-15). If we see the truth that the only being in the universe who does not age or simply is new every day is GOD and shift from the object to the subject, perhaps we may see that the newness comes from GOD himself as the source. The emphasis is not as much what is the substance used but the result. That is why the translators picked the word CREATED for BARA and MADE for ASSAD and helps us distinguish both verbs. With respect to the praise and worship given by the Psalmist in Psalm 33, it is revealed that the heavens are earth were made not directly from God but through HIS WORD. In this case, the psalmist is hinting that there was something in between the creator and the creation.
@@adrianvarela8890 John 1:1 In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus Christ's spirit is YHWH.
Jesus is 100% the father, and he was always been 100% in the father. Never apart. Never distinct. Nothing between.
The one whom formed Adam from dust and breathed into his nostrils was Jesus. The one who walked with Adam was Jesus. The one who descended to Babel to see what the world was up to was Jesus. The fire in the bush was Jesus. The rock in the wilderness was Jesus. The pillar of fire was Jesus. The hand who wrote down the 10 commandments was Jesus. The glory Moses beheld was His, and it was the same glory partially displayed during the transfiguration event in the NT.
Mankind looks like they do because that is His image. The flesh of Christ is the image of His glory, and we were made in His image.
I don’t get the controversy, but I’m willing to be convinced.
I’ve always thought of the creation event from a set-theory point-of-view:
1) God already existed, and eternally and fully occupies whatever it is we refer to as the supernatural - that’s our word which is useful and ok.
2) God created a subset of reality with specific limitations (time, space, matter, laws, …). He created an “empty set” within the set of everything else, names things, fills it, enters it, etc. He created a void within reality - composed of literally nothing, and
3) then put new stuff in it.
Supernatural is the “real” reality.
Interesting. What do you think of the simulation hypothesis? The Christian view on it is called the digital physics argument for God. It argues that the universe and everything in it is actually composed of pixels. Therefore, we are living in something akin to a computer simulation. That means there is someone infinitely powerful outside our universe. But rather than it being another computer system or IT developer, it is far more simple to just say that it’s God, and that the simulation emerges from His mind.
Look up Chuch Missler Digital Simulation. It explains a ton of the math and popular articles in modern scientific journals that back up the idea of living in a digital simulation. Aka finite smallness and finite bigness. There are definite knowable limits to the macro and micro of our universe. Hope this helps and God bless!
@@ethanhocking8229 Close. Let there be light not pixels [a computer couldn't contain the Cosmos, could it? Everything in the Cosmos (heavens and earth) is light or light energy. Sound is light slowed down and physical matter is light slowed way way way down. The scientific theory of string theory and it's 10 dimensions. I like to view it this way. You have frequencies or energies. Image you're listening to a radio station; let's say it the station 94.1 on broadband FM radio. (That's represents physical earth in this scenario) then Imagine there's lot of different stations and lots of different broadbands AM, FM, PM, QM etc and many others, but your antenna only tunes to the one frequency 94.1. You don't have a dial to turn and tune into any other frequency. That's how the other 10 dimensions or heavens [and there's possibly 12 heavens in total, 12 total ÷4 groupings = 3. ] The Bible mentions the third heaven 2 Cor. 12:1-4. Yahweh Elohim resides in the heights or highest heaven and He exists in all the broadband frequencies and all the channels [omnipresent]. Anyway we're physical beings here on earth and you don't exit this physical body or this frequency antenna until you die, then your spirit (light energy) returns to Yahweh Who gave it. Ecc. 12. The flesh body returns to dust (goes back to the earth) and the soul goes to Sheol/Hades. Once were given our Resurrection bodies or glorified body we'll be like the angels and we'll be able to tune into more frequencies and actually be with Yahweh Elohim. Once the New Heavens and New Earth are recreated all the dimensions are merged into one. At the First Resurrection our spirit will be merged with our soul and be given an uncorruptable glorified body. Any thoughts?
I am not a hologram! Saying the supernatural is the real reality sounds rather Buddhist or like we’re living in a dream. I can feel my mental shutters coming down, sorry, I’m too tired for this. I think I’m just going to rest in the Lord and trust he’s got me.
I love how our creator gives us an imagination, a window into the infinite. A window that he gives us just enough finite tools to get a glimpse of who this being truly is. Then to top it off this infinite being becomes finite to reconcile his creation back to himself. Why would he do that? Because of something that is so profound and yet simple love. A love we catch a glimpse of through our acts of kindness we show to family, friends, neighbors. Then when we show mercy, forgiveness and grace to those we disagree with, then we can stand in awe of an Infinite God that loved us so much that he sent his only son to extend that mercy, forgiveness and grace to you and I. That is Infinite Love.
So grateful for the ALL teachings Dr. Heiser provides.
Now is the time to be bold brothers and sisters. Stand up! Be the action arm of the Body Of Christ. Give, Love, feed and clothe the poor. Do great acts of kindness, pray for and forgive our enemies. Stand up Christian!!! Be the person you were called to be. You were MADE for This time. Praise God!!!
What a lovely comment 💞
Someone made mention that the Words in Hebrew represent multiple meanings because of the addition of multiple letters.
This is completely accurate.
The letter Aleph represent The Godhead.
Sometime reference to the Father as the Aleph. But the letters within the Aleph are a design or a an pictograph image of an alef the letter yud or dot above; a yud or dot below; and a diagonal vav, or line suspended in between.
Alef represent the Father, Yud representative of Jesus the mediator between God and Man, and the VA which represents Man. Everyone knows that 6 is the letter of Man. So Bara is indeed carrying multiple words within a single word and there we also have multiple meanings of each latter and word combination throughout Hebrew.
Is feeding the poor going to save them? Also share the gospel or they will go to hell well fed.
@@wojo9732 true, thank you for your feedback.
BUY A GUN...did you do that yet like he COMMANDED....sell your coat if you don't have enough....I am more with the end game myself....where we pay back the WHORE twice as much as she gave us. Some callings are just different.
I feel like we need the longer form of this video. Dr. Heiser seems to be saying that a particular apologetics strategy (claiming Bara automatically means Ex-Nihlio) is bad, but with just this segment of the talk it sounds like he’s saying that God didn’t create Ex-Nihlio at all which I’m pretty sure Dr. Heiser doesn’t believe.
I agree this video ends without making it clear why this video was made or why he’s talking about this subject. Where’s the longer cut?
Yeah I agree it should be longer but for those interested in a related take
Check out inspiring Philosophy’s video on Genesis 1a
There definitely other chapters that indicate ex nihilio creation but not Genesis 1 as ancient Hebrews might not have been concerned with ex nihilio creation
But post Aristotle readers would, so verses like John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 confirm ex nihilio
What @@mrarcade2504 said. In the ANE context, the writers would’ve seen the creation account of genesis as assigning function(alternate meaning of bara) to God’s cosmic temple at the point of whenever the story is supposed to take place - not at the beginning of time whenever material was created.
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This are clips from his awakening school of theology. I don't think they'd put the full version online. It's a paid class Not to expensive though.
I've been reading Unseen Realm for the first time and I can sincerely say it's one of the best books I've ever read.
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For sure.
Indeed
Wow thanks for explaining what youre talking about. Im sure everyone here has read unseen realm. Im sure it wouldve killwd you just to say one or two sentences of why you thought it was amazing read. Thank you.
Still praying for his health. May our God, a good good father, bless Mike's health as he lifts up and leads Christianity into a new era.
that is not going to happen
You're right,@@hondotheology, we need another young man or woman to take the torch from where he leaves off.
Thanks Dr H, these little snippets are great and really make me think. I wish that I had the time (and intellect lol) to study under you tutelage. They always give me pause to think about how Awesome the Lord is. This particular one makes a lot of sense to me. I hope that your health is improving!
I'm finally getting around to reading Unseen. Love it. Explains things that I suspected and things that I never knew beyond Bible College and Seminary (funny how you said those words as I was typing them) that don't get much farther than the creation story being a polemic.
The concept “from nothing” in the context of Genesis 1:1 is “in the beginning,” a beginning in which God already was. While there could have been remaking and recreation as in the gap theory, at some point in the past, at the beginning, only God already was.
Excellent
The gap theory is a modern innovation to help promote a "Pre-Adamic World" to fit an Old Earth of billions of years/The Big Bang (unprovable by any scientific research) and Darwinian Macroevolution (unproven so manipulated data). Straight from the pit of hell people. The Bible is inspired by God and is unchanged as God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever). A lot (not all) of Modern Science in these areas (geology, astrology, genealogy etc) is the inspiration of man's own limitations who seeks to second guess God, by becoming his own god (satan comes to mind)...The information in science journals is always changing unlike the Word of God. Why would God inspire people to contradict His Word? He wouldn't.
thank you for your faithfulness, may God miraculously heal you, we need you for these end times !!!!
Awesome video..I hope you're doing well Dr. Heiser.
The rest of creation was made by his word. He said “let there be light” and there was light. The visible were made out of things that were invisible.
When God made man, there was detail of how God out of the ground formed man.
Dr.Heiser has a point, but it needs a longer video because it suggests an incomplete view in such a short video.
God creating using his word alone is what makes him GOD. That is why when he says anything is possible for him, it has a weight in it because of how great he is in creation.
What that verse in hebrews really says is:
“By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (back then) when they were made.”
This ties in with the immediate context.
(also, sorry but Logos meant plan, design, guideline - not word !)
It was written in Greek, not in Hebrew.
This is a better translation for the verse.
By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.
Hebrews 11:3 NLT
The focused word in this verse is
"rhēmati" so down here is the definition.
Strong's g4487
- Lexical: ῥῆμα
- Transliteration: rhéma
- Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
- Phonetic Spelling: hray'-mah
- Definition: a thing spoken, (a) a word or saying of any kind, as command, report, promise, (b) a thing, matter, business.
- Origin: From rheo; an utterance (individually, collectively or specially); by implication, a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever.
- Usage: + evil, + nothing, saying, word.
- Translated as (count): words (28), word (25), saying (5), matters (2), a message (1), by word (1), declaration (1), matter (1), of words (1), sayings (1), the word (1), thing (1), things (1).
Surely the letter specifically to Hebrews was written in Greek... But, even if, they still have their Jewish lenses on and will refer back to their texts.
@@lookinup3610 everything comes from unseen quarks and particles. Your foot is made of stuff that's unseen. I could twist this multiple ways for fun and to give you an unusual view of the text, but in the end OBVIOUSNESS is what's meant here.
Faith is what counts on what's not yet obvious or bedazzling - the Greek clearly links it to shining.
Also, how is the antithesis between
"In your face observable" and "not obvious" not give credit and meaning to my attempt of translation?
The bible says that through the Word God made everything, period.
1 In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God. 3 Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.
First was the Word
God spoke all into existence.
Then the Word became flesh to save us.
For God was in Jesus reconciling the world to himself.
Hey Dr. Heiser, I hope you're feeling well and getting better. I will keep you in my prayers.
Wow, I didn't even realize that it was there! Thank you Dr Heiser, you're awesome!
I hope you are feeling strong and well, Dr. Heiser. Continued prayers for your healing and recovery.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
- John 1:3
I have "Unseen Realm", and I want to read it as soon as possible! I really like to watch Dr Heiser, especially when he throws in an X-Files reference!
I read the unseen realm and it has nearly as much footnotes as regular text. At first I tried reading the footnote as I read along, but it was too much, so I read the book and plan on rereading it WITH the footnotes. Could take awhile, but tons of references and information!!!
@@servantofmylord It is definitely a book that you need to read more than once, but those are the best kind of books aren't they?
@@n.holt7 Absolutely!
Me too just about too
Since the heavens and the earth wasn't created out of nothing, what were they created out of? I believe God had a conversation with Job along these same lines.
I agree wholeheartedly we get to a place we will not like when we start demanding of the CREATOR... the Word of GOD is based solely on faith... the perilous times have arrived... the time to trust our CREATOR is at hand... just as the Kingdom of GOD was at hand while CHRIST was here. Focus on the narrow gate... may the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY have mercy on us most have become inundated with the world... that we that have been saved are not supposed to be a part of...the world is supposed to hate us, because it first hated CHRIST JESUS
@@undeserved1781 at hand or rather “near” in the Greek and the example Yeshua gave was the acts of healing, casting out demons, raising the dead, etc. The physical kingdom comes when He returns in glory visible to every eye as the son of man mentioned by Daniel (this is the heavenly sign the pharisees demanded to see).
John 1
@@AllOtherNamesUsed Is that not the Kingdom of Heaven and It's Glory... the Kingdom of GOD was at hand while the SON was here... fulfilling the Scriptures... "All Scripture must be fulfilled"... "And HIS own received HM not"... my wonder is do we see the Kingdom of GOD only after the White Throne Judgement
*Well, first you have to prove that 'Nothing' can even exist. How can we have a conversation about NOTHING when there is no possible way for us to define what NOTHING is? I don't believe in 'NOTHING' because I have no intellectual right to.*
Praying for Dr. Heiser. Can anyone tell me how he is doing?
Thank you Dr. Heiser for pointing out a text that is often misread. My understanding is that God physically created man and everything else on earth from matter that already existed.
The earth was nill and void and by speaking light into existence is an indicator that incomplete earth was created out of nothing, but he created man and everything else on earth from matter that was created by Him, from nothing before chaotic earth. That process is not being spelled out. We as believers can sometimes be over zealous and do more damage than good because we don't read the Bible attentively.
May God restore your health completely and bless you and your loved ones.
It took me awhile to realize that there was never a moment when there was nothing. There was and is and will Always be Farther So nothing can not will not have an existence. We can speculate what things are made of and the how and the why,but we do know it can not come nothing because nothing has no existence. Always farther his savior and spirit
What that verse in Hebrews really says is:
“By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (back then) when they were made.”
This ties in with the immediate context.
(also, sorry but Logos meant plan, design, guideline - not word !)
I outline what the universe, as we know it, was created from in my video 'Sound reason' as well as references to the electrical processies that obscured them
It is a paradigm shift,yet still consistent with Scripture, referenced in my video 'Begining of understanding '
I hope you'll consider watching
Godspeed
Actually, I don't think we necessarily have a problem with Psalms 33:6 and heaven being asah. The "substance" or "material" used to asah is here identified as "the word of the Lord." That would agree with an ex nihilo creation in the beginning. Just food for thought.
He said his word is forever written in heaven.
he also said his footstool is the earth and the heavens his throne.
So where is he?
In him we live breath and have our being.
Christ in us.
The way I've read it, bara seems to be the the general word for creation as a whole, undifferentiated pure creation, versus the specified act of shaping some empirical form or another in a certain way. That is, the contrast of Man being formed in His image (a spiritual creation, the act of being given an animating consciousness formed after His own), and the act of the fleshly body being formed from dirt. To me the "ex nihilo" is implicit in the conception of metaphysical creation and is still at the back of any word connected to idea of creation no matter how specific or empiric (the body of a man, or any other animal, may be made of all the same minerals as the dirt around him, but it is the breath of life from the Divine Mind giving it such a radically different arrangement and continually cycling form, where previously none existed, which makes it an unique unified active agent rather than a passive collection of atomic elements). Ex nihilo creation in Genesis is not at conflict with the Psalmist either, mostly because in both places the ultimate point being made is a spiritual one, and neither does it seem to be of theological contention that God has explicitly, from all reasonable investigation of truth, both spoke everything into existence from seemingly nothing and formed innumerable incredible novel wonders from all the base material that has so long existed.
Can a thing be physical without it being composed of matter. If there could be such a thing, it seems to me such a incomprehensible thing with be of the other realm.
@@GRXMotorsPNW Photons come to mind...
@@newtonbomb Idk but that would be something for Christian philosophers to tackle
@@newtonbomb In Star Trek The Next Generation episode called The Next Phase La Forge and Ensign Ro are believed to be dead when a transporter mishap occurs but are substantial and alive on the Romulan ship but invisible to everyone else in real time.
That might be a perfect example of our disconnect with the other realm.
*The only true CREATION TEXT in GEN is the very first Scripture. Everything else is God RESTORING Creation. So, we're missing A LOT of information most likely because it doesn't apply to us or God's purpose for us. He tends to OMIT that which we have no need of knowing.*
I’d love to see the whole lecture series these snippets come from.
Hebrews 11:3, and remember, God's word will not return void, ever. Thank you
The phrasing of that verse implies that seen things were made from things that are _invisible._ The key point is that invisible things are still *things* and not nothings. We even have a word for those invisible things today - atoms. Atoms are quite real, physically, and are most certainly “things”.
I get the impression that Dr Heiser is warning of using Genesis 1:1 ALONE as an apologetic arguement with a learned atheist for the notion that God created the heavens and the earth out of NOTHING. In other words we need to know the fullness of the scripture to argue apologetics with people who have made it their business to refute scripture. Someone mentioned the Awakened Theology class below... I think I will check that out, sounds interesting.
Well stated.
Why? God created something where there originally was nothing. These atheists you speak of aren't very learned.
God existed, and He is the "something" that atheists deny.
"I get the impression that Dr Heiser is warning of using Genesis 1:1 ALONE as an apologetic arguement with a learned atheist for the notion that God created the heavens and the earth out of NOTHING" *Which is FALLACIOUS from its onset. We are never instructed to VIEW the TRUTH out of RESPECT or CONCERN for the LIE opposing that TRUTH.*
@@thetruthchannel349 It is not out of respect or concern for the lie. It is being knowledgeable enough of the truth to be able to overturn and expose the lie. He does not advocate arguing for the sake of arguing as the scripture forbids such things, BUT, when face with an individual who has begun to question the lie, but has a firm grasp of it, it is well to know your scripture well enough to do more than spout out a few lines of scripture without truly understanding the meaning behind them. Here we are speaking of the MEAT, rather than the MILK of understanding. Be a mature Christian, know what you believe and WHY and be able to back it up with NUMEROUS scriptures, because there are numerous scriptures by which to defend the faith in all its aspects.
@@servantofmylord *These are NOT doctrinal issues. You cannot have a MILK or MEAT aspect where issues like this are concerned. A MATURE Christian would know this at first glance. I don't think you really understood my comment.*
This video seems to be part of a longer one. if so were can I find it. I'd like to see the rest.
If one believes that God is God as he reveals himself in Scripture, then one has 0 problems whatsoever believing that He created everything that is out of nothing. It is really that simple. I don't know the full context of this video, but I really hope this man is not suggesting otherwise.
@Emmanuel Perez Agreed.
Initially earth was a mess. I believe it was created from nothing, before time and space existed (on earth), spoken in to existence for future use. Then He spoke light into existence an created man from existing material..We have to read the Bible carefully so that we are not being mislead and possibly mislead others.
Dr Heiser is spot-on and just conveying what the Bible already states.
God bless your heart and those if your loved ones too.
What’s the point of believing it as something hypothetically possible? Don’t we want to know the truth of what actually happened rather than something that is exegetically plausible? In other words, even if it’s totally within reason that God created everything out of nothing, don’t we want to know if that it what he actually did, or if maybe he created out of something?
@@Applest2oApples in my case I don't believe it is hypothetically possible, I believe it is. Hebrews 11:3 and Psalm 33:6 come to mind.
@@empese1127 What you believe and what the text indicates isn’t the necessarily the same thing.
I think Genesis 1:1 does imply the creation from nothing. But, there is nothing that states that billions of years and multiple recreations happened between Genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2. God can change the earth like we change cloths.
The Bible makes it clear that it's not a book about the universe. It's a book about the generations of Adam.
There is no gap.... read Jubilees. The gap theology is an interpretation designed to conform the Bible to modern false science. The interpretation of Genesis is literal. Even Heiser, who doesn’t believe in a solid Firmament or the circle of the Earth, thinks that Genesis 1 is a literal description of events. Seven literal days for Creation, that’s it.
@@cmorales5 i don't think this person is saying that creation was not in 6, not 7, literal days. I think they are saying that between the creation of heaven and earth there could have been many years of time that went by before the actual formation of earth and creation of what is on it.
V1 could be speaking of the creation of the heaven, space as we know it, and the earth prior to anything else being created. Notice that the sun, moon, stars, planets, etc in space were not there until the fourth day.
@@cmorales5 Jubilees is not canon. "Even Heiser believes.." With all due respect, Heiser is just a man.
There's was a first earth age or eon. This same first earth is in the second earth age or eon currenly. Hence the gap theory in between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. Gen 2:4 these are the generations (more than 1) of the heavens and the earth. Yahweh said He knew us before we were placed in our mother's womb. Prophets He forknew Jer. 1:5, Job 3:6, Psm 51:50, Isa 24:34. Jacob He loved but Esau He hated. Rom 9:13 Why? Because Yahweh knew Esau before the katabole (Greek overthrow, casting down) during the first earth age. Yahweh knew Esau would reject Him. The 3 earth ages in 2 Peter 3:5-8. The first earth age was flooded by water (but not completely destroyed). Earth was created NOT in vain. Isa 45:18. The Elect's names written in the Lambs Book of Life at the foundation (katabole). Rev 13:8. The new or [renewed] heaven and earth in the future eternity. Rev 21. All total 3 Earth Ages [this current or second earth age is destroyed or cleansed by fire). Also see Genesis 1:6-9 the earth flooded by water and the dry land appears in verse 9 after the flood waters are divided into atmosphere and seas. See the dry land was already there, just was covered by water.
@@Stariana19 I'm trying to follow your logic and I think I can make some of it out. However, using the Hebrew or Greek out non common names is a little confusing and loses me.
I think that this gap, or time, between Genesis 1 and 2 is prior to the creation that we see in the following verses.
The reason that the water separated and dry land appears is not because of Noah's flood. It is because when the creation week starts the earth was covered by water.
Interesting and good point on the 3 generations starting prior to the flood, in between and the new earth.
Thank you for showing that non-YEC interpretations of Genesis 1 can be exegetically supported. I've been told that scholarship ignores the "plain meaning" of the text by reinterpreting it with pagan sources.
Maybe it supports an old universe theory, but wouldn't it still potentially support a young earth? I think the argument being made is that the Earth was being created at that moment (possibly from existing matter). So "archaeological evidence" that supports "old earth" could still be suspect because if YEC is true, fossils didn't appear there until after it's creation. I guess it could lend credence to "evidence" like carbon dating.
@@trialbyfire7112 Fossils are the result of the flood. Mass sediment deposits.
@@michaelturnage3395 And where does the Bible say that?
*I think the entire YING and YANG of OLD EARTH vs YOUNG EARTH is absurd. Its FAR MORE COMPLICATED than EITHER views address.*
@@trialbyfire7112 *The aging of fossils is very suspect to begin with. The entire concept of the Geologic Record is completely wrong. If you threw out everything that can be PROVEN does NOT work you'd have to toss out evolution. Thats the only reason you still have a GEOLOGIC COLUMN. Its the only reason you still have the label 'FOSSIL FUELS.'*
The greatest expositor of the word I've ever heard.
Sorry that it cut out where it did. I would have really liked to hear it all to the end.
In my studies so far; _"bara"_ has nothing to do with create, make, build or form.
1) Bara is 54 times in the Hebrew Bible _(Tanakh)._
2) It is only translated in Genesis chapter one as _"create"_
3) Bara is a root-word, in the masculine form. Thus as a root-word, it can only have one meaning.
4) Everywhere else in the Tanakh, it is used in some form of fill or fatten. _(Both being the same thing in Hebrew.)_
5) None of those other usages can be construed, in any way shape or form, to have anything to do with; creating, making, building or forming. But, they *all* concern giving something purpose and function, in defining something.
In doing a reverse translation:
1) Create is 55 times in the King James Version.
2) Outside of Genesis chapter one, it is all over the place, replacing; build, make, and form.
3) Yet, not replacing *all* usages of; build, make, and form. Only _"some of them."_ Sorry but translators aren't allowed literary license. They can't just replace words with others, just because it fits their fancy.
Then we get to the fact; that the word _"create"_ is an abstract. It has on its own, no definitive definition.
1) Scripture only uses an abstract, when there's no way around it.
2) *But* when it does use an abstract, it includes a definer, in that verse, or chapter.
3) And Genesis chapter one *has* another abstract later on. That abstract is the word; _"Good."_ And the word good _(tov)_ is about as much of an abstract as can get. It *must have* a definer.
4) The definer in Genesis chapter one for good *is;* the consequences of Bara, the giving of purpose and function. Filling the land and skies with creatures, and so on; gives _"the land and skies"_ purpose and function. And it is by that purpose and function, that the word _"good"_ then has a definition, and is no longer an abstract.
5) And yet, Greeks *love* abstracts. To them they are _"poetic."_ Thus that first translator; was blind to the contradictions; that his translation was _"creating."_
Lastly; Genesis chapter one, verse two, in Hebrew, is written in the past perfect progressive. As in; Before Genesis chapter one, verse one's; the land and skies, *_"had been_*_ without purpose and function,"_ not the _"was"_ that that translator used. Which means, they were already there, before chapter one starts. _(The word "void" is also a bad translation, and another abstract to boot.)_
Simply; Genesis chapter one is a beautiful telling of how God invested so much; into making everything in our world to have purpose and function. No one, no thing, is without that purpose and function. Never, ever; think so about yourself, or anyone/anything else. Everyone, and everything, matters to God immensely.
And yet; while Genesis chapter one is a part of _The Creation Story,_ it is not the full story. That remains a mystery to us. We only know that; God made the heavens and the earth, and all things in them; known and unknown, seen and unseen.
The problem with looking at the usage of “create” verbs to determine whether Genesis 1 and other initial creation accounts were creation ex nihilo is that creation from nothing would be the ONLY example of that- Ie, nothing else is created from nothing so far as we know, do you shouldn’t expect to see “asa” or “bara “ used in that way
Conceptually, God is the only self existent Being and everything else is by definition created from nothing- matter came into being
The New Testament also tells us about the creation event and clearly DOES affirm that the universe was created out of nothing. The Koine word for "made" in Jn 1:3 is "ginomai" (ἐγένετο). It's primary meaning is : "to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being" (Strong's and Thayer's and Wigham's Lexicons all agree on this). While the word's secondary sense can imply something like "forming" instead of creating, the strong emphasis in John's repetition of his claim that the Word created ALL things makes this use of "ginomai" unlikely.
No. Logos meant Design.
Everything was transformed according to it.
Forget ex-nihilo:
What that verse in hebrews really says is:
“By faith we understand that the universe was set up by the GUIDELINES of God, so that what is OBSERVABLE (today) was not OBVIOUS (but available, back then) when they were made.”
This ties in with the immediate context.
Genesis starts off with a flooded planet. Nothing is made from nothing.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456
You approach the text eisegetically to support your erroneous presuppositions. Logos does not mean design and ex nihilo is supported in both the old and new testaments. Mike is stuck in the old testament and ignores the reality of progressive revelation. Jesus is the climax of God’s self-revelation, and therefore the old must be interpreted through the new testament lens.
Furthermore, according to your interpretation, matter would have to be eternal, which would be more of a monistic, pantheistic view of god - than a biblical one.
@@JSizzle179 on the contrary. I'm trying to rid the text of what we're traditionally reading into it.
Logos most certainly doesn't mean word, but something close to instructions, reasoning, plan or what we call design today. This is what the light in Genesis 1 is. The Hebrew 'or is your Greek Logos that John is really thinking about.
That logos was prior to everything else, because it was first. That's the beginning: day 1.
@@JSizzle179 everything that you think of revelation in the NT is likely false. God doesn't change.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, buddy.
What is the Bible software package that is being used in the video, and where is it available?
If the Hebrew word Yom can have varied meanings based on the context of the passage, so can bara. Just because bara doesn’t mean creation ex nihilo in Gen. 1:26 doesn’t mean it doesn’t have that function in Gen. 1:1. I wish he would have expanded on this video a bit because just out right dismissing creation ex nihilo because the word bara seems to have different meanings isn’t a valid objection in my opinion.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
#3 implies that there are things that exist that were not made
@@Applest2oApples Yes, God exists and, in particular, the Word exists. God alone is contingent. Everything else was created. #3 states that the Word is not created, an affirmation that the Word is deity.
You meant to say that the triune God alone is NONcontingent and all of creation is contingent.
@@padraiggluck2980 you’re the one that wrote that...
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"Psalm 33-6 "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."
Michael is right again. God didn't make anything from nothing.
Well if you mean the breath of his mouth was the material, thats consistent with Ex-nhilo. Out of nothing is simply implying he brought the physical universe into existence out of non existing physical matter. Hes complicating a matter that needs not be.
@@S3thousand correct! and he is using a good Bible program in a bad way
@@It-is-true-1689 yea i dont get that. I often share Gods unique ability to speak matter into existence with unbelievers when first cause is considered. Its a great start. Ironically, if we remove Gods unique ability to speak matter into existence, were stuck with the universe creating itself. A logical absurdity and unbiblical. When Christians say God brought forth the universe out of nothing, we understand its by his will, his command. And I or no Christian is implying God is nothing.
@@S3thousand Look at the verses where Dr. Heiser is at. Ask yourself is he referring to all of creation? Or just the earth account and everything on it? Dr. Heiser has stated before that the universe was more likely than not created in an instant by God, but the Genesis account is after the creation of the universe. God was working with an earth that was formless and void with deep waters. Can God Ex-nhilo? Sure. Did he do that for all of creation? Word of the Lord is also interesting it implies voice -> waveforms -> light -> matter. Also, is it really ex-nhilo if God is a mind? God's mind produced information. Information is what the natural laws, mathematics, physics, DNA all falls into. Mind influences matter.
@@JohnsonJLB As John Douglas pointed out Heiser is complicating things. The traditional, historical understanding of ex-nihilo is that creation out of nothing is a reference to the initial act of creation. AFTER creation ex-nihilo makes no sense as the material universe now exists. I'll go a step further and say not only is Heiser complicating matters, he's misunderstanding the use of ex-nihilo and creating an answer in search of a problem.
Where’s the full video at?
Do you think this undermines the Kalam Cosmological arguement?
Creation "out of nothing" is a doctrine not a biblical text. It is philosophical theology, a ubset of "systematic theology". We can reasonably arrive at this doctrine as "biblical" without proof - texts. The Jewish rabbis essentially engaged in such a process long before the Latin phrase "ex nihilo".
Sooo…what does it actually mean?
To create… its action, it does not mean to make something from nothing.
OK so what does the other word mean
Whats the alternative? God went to lowes for parts. Its certainly implied. He created all things.
I would love to know what programs in Logos he is using here
The one he was the editor of.
I always heard that the Bara in Genesis 1:27 was about creating the soul. The essence of man. It wasn't the physical form because God had no body for us to be the image of, which is what the rest of the verse is talking about
Since Gen 1.1 lists the heavens before the earth, it makes sense that the earth was created out of the heavenly ‘substance’ which is described as water from which the earth emerged. Heavens (shamayim) in Hebrew contains the word for waters (mayim) plural, this is a big hint. And Ps 33.6 says the heavens were made by His Word which is breath/spirit, also seen in Gen 1.2 fluttering (dove?) over the waters.
This is like birth out of the dark waters of the womb into the light and the new born takes his first breath (spirit) and cries out with a shout after a cycle of 40 (avg human gestation period is 40 weeks; themes seen in the Exodus and Christ’s baptism out of waters and 40 years/days of trial, or Noah’s flood, etc) - themes of Rosh Hashanah the Hebrew new year at the last trumpet at the end of time (of the year) when Yeshua came into the world the first time (Sept 11, 3 BCE with the star map shown in Rev 12) and comes back with a shout at the last trumpet when the dead are reborn from the earth to begin the new age of the 1000 year reign and overcome the waters of chaos (nations at war with the Lord). Praise the Lord of heavens and earth Yeshua Jesus.
Many or most of the miracles Christ performed involved water, including the first one John records like turning water into wine (the second wine is better than the first - ie, new covenant marriage/new creation/new man). The human body is also mostly made from water. Water has exotic properties unlike anything else.
Your heavens are nothing but the atmosphere.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 *Not even the Greeks believed that*
There are heavens, plural. The first is the atmosphere where the birds are, the second is ‘outer space’ where the stars are, the “third heaven” as Paul called it (2Cor 12.2-4) is the invisible spiritual realm beyond the cosmos where the angels are.
@@AllOtherNamesUsed You're unfortunately wrong. Show me a single verse where there's talk of a second heaven ?
Using chapter 2 is not right as it is likely 2 traditions, even if one does go full scale of 2 sources … Is the issue usually more about the phrase “ in the beginning “ … any other clause about this create out of nothing ?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. *All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.* ~ John 1:1-3
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are *all things* and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are *all things* and through whom we exist. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6
For by him *all things were created,* *in heaven and on earth,* *visible and invisible,* whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- *all things were created through him and for him.* ~ Colossians 1:16
Who's to say the word "Bara" was a mistake i.e. the wrong choice of word?
Doesn't matter that it may not mean from nothing.. The Gospel of John says everything that was made was made by the Word. Nothing exists that He didn't make. All concepts and parts of parts could have existed before being used but He still made it ALL of it.
Yeah, and some others are using this to push the OE creationists believe.
Since Gen 1.1 lists the heavens before the earth, it makes sense that the earth was created out of the heavenly ‘substance’ which is described as water from which the earth emerged. Heavens (shamayim) in Hebrew contains the word for waters (mayim) plural, so I think this is a big hint. This is like birth out of the dark waters of the womb into the light and the new born takes his first breath (spirit) and cries out with a shout - themes of Rosh Hashanah the Hebrew new year at the last trumpet at the end of time (of the year) when Yeshua came into the world the first time (Sept 11, 3 BCE with the star map shown in Rev 12) and comes back with a shout at the last trumpet when the dead are reborn from the earth to begin the new age of the 1000 year reign and overcome the waters of chaos (nations at war with the Lord). Praise the Lord of heavens and earth Yeshua Jesus.
*This is why you can't let disgruntled agnostics set metrics.*
This is good! What software or app does Michael Heiser use this word study… Nara, asa, etc?
Can someone please direct me to the software? 🙏
logos bible software. I think he helped develop too
John 1 says everything was made from the word. Sooooo what’s your point
Amen. Almighty God does not need us to pick Him apart to try and understand Him. He Is I Am Who I Am. He doesn't expect us to completely understand Him until we meet Him face to face
I have a study I wrote that touched on this.
Basically, Paul states the third heaven, so we can conclude that there are 3 heavens. What is heaven in this context?
The first heaven, or our atmosphere and immediate "space". Second, the universe. Third, God's place where He is at.
In the beginning the heavens and Earth were created. Some time passed before that period and the forming of and population of earth. There is biblical language as used in Revelation to describe the earth in turmoil compared to when Satan is left here alone for 1000 years.
Also, recognize that the conflict between Satan and Christ started prior to man being created. There was time prior to the beginning of time as we know it. Technically, we are a pause or an insert to eternal life due to sin. There will be a time, soon, when sin will be no more and we will live in eternity.
Anyway, the sin of Satan in the heaven of God happened. Then God created another heaven, or realm, and Earth in which we live in and this has a beginning. God vanished Satan here to this world. This is the beginning, I believe, Genesis might be referring to.
Notice how God calls our atmosphere, the 1st heaven, in Genesis 1:8-9. Then v14-20 the space, or universe, heaven as well. It is at this time that God puts the sun, moon, stars, planets in space.
So in the beginning, it is speaking of the beginning of our universe and not of God's place, the third heaven.
This is why it can be said that the earth has so many billions of years, because who knows how long God took between the creation of a formless earth and the actual forming and populating of it.
God created the heaven and earth to quarantine Satan and his angels and allow Satan the chance to show his government. Of course, this doesn't mean that God created us to be miserable. He gave us the same opportunity as He did the angels of heaven to choose good or evil. Unfortunately we chose evil.
I hope it makes sense.
That’s not based on Biblical cosmology. Biblical cosmology has the heavens order from ground to the clouds as first heaven, from the clouds to the firmament second heaven and the third heaven beyond the firmament. You’re welcome
I’d love to hear a podcast discussion with Dr. Heiser and Mauro Biglino.
Dr. Michael Heiser has debunked the people Mauro Biglino took his stuff from (Zecharia Sitchin and Von Danikel) many times.
@@zerotwo8047 Perfect. Then Dr. Heiser won’t have to do much show prep. Someone with a podcast should try to make it happen. I’d love to hear a friendly conversation about Biglino’s translations.
Gen1:1- Created- Bara- Context the world was without form and void.
Gen1:26- Make- Aseh-to make, He used Earth to make
Gen2:7- Formed- Yiser- to form, He used Earth to form
As you always say, use context. Genesis and Psalm are not comparable for the sense of the verb. Genesis is recount, almost like a documentary and Psalm is recounting in a song. Two different contextual uses. Just as you used Psalms to dismiss Genesis, one can also use Genesis to dismiss Psalm, especially when given the full context, difference with void and Earth. I would be interested to see full video.
Let me ask you a question... Where does the Equator come from?
Translators have demonstrated that "in the beginning" is not verse 1 but the name of the book.
Translators have made many erroneous claims. Yes
It seems here that Dr Heiser is trying to advocate for a preexisting matter before Genesis 1:1. Yet, if it were the case, the Bible wouldn't begin with "In the begining" because it would be false, of course. So, this short and simple analysis of the text is incomplete, since the logical part of the interpretation has not being applied at all in respect of the hebrew word Bara'. That's why I wonder if the OEC have a case at all with these kind of poor attempts to justify their position.
I don’t think this has to do with OEC, I believe the earth is older, but I also believe God created ex nihilo, as like you say, what would even be the point of calling it “the beginning” in that case and also, the Word tells us all that was made was made through Christ. So, there was a beginning of all things, which means there was a point where all things did not exist.
*For some reason Heiser seems like one of those guys that think 'evolution' is the only thing keeping atheists from believing. Despite the fact that Apostles completely upend that argument once and for all. 'Well, if we can give atheists evolution' maybe they'll give us Jesus.' Its completely ass-backwards*
I would like to ask is the creation in genesis 1 for human is the same or different of creating adam and eve in genesis 2 .
Would you say the point of bara and asah as forming and not necessarily ex nihilo is Genesis 1-2 & Psalm 33 would be fully compatible if we found components of the universe pre-existed the Big Bang? ie, oscillating, quantum fluctuations, etc?
What is the software you are using here? This is so terribly more convenient than trying to read it out of a printed Interlinear.
The bottom line: it starts with a supernatural God. If not, the entire universe arose from nothing for no particular reason with no particular plan other than random subsequent accident(s)/coincidences.
Consider the staggering complexities and unknowns of our planet, solar system, galaxy and universe. Humans can't even effectively explain the origin of human consciousness or the realities of love. In our 'wisdom' we have become fools.
I'll go with the Word of God.
Yep. I agree. The problem with a lot of Academics is they are programmed with Naturalistic values and processes - MOST of which we know are either incomplete or just inaccurate. You cannot view Supernaturalism through a lens of Naturalism and Materialism. Its like trying to view a room through a pin-hole.*
When people ask me, "Is God truly real"?? My reply is hardly of the standard "Garden Variety", but also very generic and often heard, as I myself ask in return, "Does a "bereshit" in the woods"??
How could you ever come to the idea of making something without pre existing material.
I'd have to see the whole lecture, for this doesn't necessarily prove it one way or the other, just that bara can mean something other than create out of nothing.
Also, the fact that the heaven and the earth (at least separately) are also "made" or "formed" doesn't disprove it, for we also colloquially say that God "made" them. No one in church or seminar will "correct" you when you say that God "made" the heaven and the earth.
Besides, I also think that you have to grapple with the context of 1) bereshit in the absolute state and 2) the expression "the heaven and the earth" as representing "everything".
Ironic that the same people who say "something can't come from nothing, therefore God did it" simultaneously believe God made something come from nothing.
*As soon as your side defines what 'Nothing' isn't we can have THAT conversation. Until, then its no more than a distraction of the lower minded.*
@@thetruthchannel349 If someone makes a first cause-style argument that hinges on the claim that "nothing" cant create anything and the claim that the universe was once in an empty state and required God to fill it, then the argument depends on THAT person's definition of nothing
@@TheYiffingAtheist "hinges on the claim that "nothing" cant create anything" *No one made that claim. That is a double negative.*
@@TheYiffingAtheist "that the universe was once in an empty state" *No one made that claim either. You guys really aren't familiar with the material. I told one of your comrades on here. Ill help your Militant Atheist Global Initiative out. You're not even able to engage the argument because you dont understand it. Ill help you people out. l'll do sessions for $2500 per session. If youre going to attempt this con Id rather you did it with a certain amount of Excellence. Otherwise, you're just boring me.*
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As William Lane Craig would put it, "out of nothing, nothing comes." This is absolutely the statement that nothingness cannot cause something to come into existence. If nothingness COULD make something, then no God would be necessary.
The contradiction is that if God made the universe out of nothing, then you just contradicted yourself by stating a situation where somthing came from nothing. BUT If he made it out of something, then something has always existed, so the question of how the universe could have come from nothing in the first place has a false assumption in it.
If the universe was never in a state of emptyness, then it always existed. And by "universe" I mean the set of all things in existence. That would include our cosmos and any hypothetical multiverses. If there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing, then at some point something came from nothing. Otherwise, the universe always existed
I can watch this/his teaching all day, & never be bored. My mind would be full of meanings & understanding. Thank you Michael
I suppose thats assuming the words retained the same meaning over approx 500 years.
One thing I really disliked about this video....
...is that it was only 7 minutes long.
Awesome
The Catholic Church has become so full of talk of symbols. Bishop Barron recently told the world that Adam wasn't a person. Thank God for Protestants like you :)
I'm pretty Heiser has had on his podcast people that argue Adam was not a historical singular man.
Failed to mention that the heavens and the earth is a phrase used to mean, reality, existence or the universe, because they conceptualized it differently, so god created "reality" is the verse.
So if God used existing materials to create the cosmos, did those materials always exist as did God. I was under the impression that God spoke the cosmos into existence.
You write a whole bible and don’t ask the expert of the language your translating into what he thinks
I would say the important question is - those who are worried about whether or not God created everything out of nothing or created everything out of something already there (technically not creating - but manipulating) Do you believe God CAN create out of nothing or He just chose to manipulate? I personally believe God CAN and DID create everything out of nothing and He can manipulate that which He has already created but for someone who thinks He can only manipulate what is already there that brings up some serious concerns for me about the person's faith in God. That is definitely a slippery slope.
John chapter 1 says that Dr. Michael Heiser got this one wrong
I don't understand why he says it's bara for Genesis 1:1 and bara for Genesis 1:26 when it says yibra for Genesis 1:26 on the screen he is showing us. Even the Hebrew spelling is different.
Basic Hebrew Grammar..
I've never seen in the Bible the phrase creation out of nothing.
This is more about thinking we'll rather than God creating something from nothing..., God created ALL things, yes he created man from dust, but he also created the dust.
You need all of Scripture to understand Scripture. You can't even read the NT without the OT. Or you get a lopsided doctrines.
@Dr.MichaelS.Heiser- i dont have neither the physics or hebrew background to fully study my hypothesis that Genesis 1:1 refers to a black hole. Not that the black hole is God but that this was from where God created all. The singularitu where physics breaks down and from where God separated light from dark with His word. I also think that time began with light and is not tied to gravity. Also, the work of the second day is the only evening without God calling it good. Is it because the work was not completed, hence the universe is still expanding? Just my initial thoughts. I have more but thought id start with these.
The universe is indeed expanding, and this actually proves God. I believe the Big Bang was exactly how God created it. Natural explosions don't create anything, on the contrary they destroy. So having a random big bang that randomly occured and happened to create live and order and the naturaly perfectly engineered world we live in is ludicrous. There was an intelligent design behind it, and the Big Bang was the big creation original way God used to make the cosmos.
If you drop a set of glass balls on the ground, they will break and it's pieces will be thrown in every direction. That's the universe God created, and we are in a moment in cosmos history where the pieces ( planets and stars) are still moving away from the location where they fell.
@@armandolima823 hi, im not sure i agree. (Notice i didn't say disagree, because i appreciate the thought.) I think its more like sound, it always moves, though its strength may wane. I see it as God spoke and yes an explosion may have happened, but the Lord set all boundaries. Have a great day. God is good.
John 1 kinda bridges that and the psalm
In the beginning. Not after a while.
When Yahweh got every last detail of Creation 🔥 in His mind , He said , Let what's on the inside of Me ,,,
Be out there ,,,,, !
Oh dear, the linguistic gymnastics this guys goes through are pretty cringeworthy. All to prove something false that MUST be true for God to be God - it's almost as if he has his own agenda... wonder what that could be...? Whose side is he on?
Not to mention, in my Hebrew Tanach OT the word in Gen 1:26 is NOT Bara, but is asah - oh dear, prof! The burden was on you to prove your novel translation and you failed - and now I feel like you tried to trick me. Not a good look. I think I'll stick to my ex nihilo belief and certainty, confirmed by centuries of real Bible and Hebrew scholars.
1 Corinthians 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”"
Maybe you should have kept reading past Genesis 1:1. Just one more verse would do...
@@Berean_with_a_BTh Maybe you should keep on reading? Just 66 more books would do... Heiser is a well-known heretic.
@@andrewpery4787 Your dismissal of the meanings of בָּרָא (bara) and עָשָׂה (asah) discussed in the video by resorting to the charge that Heiser was a heretic is just an ad-hominem attack that simply avoids answering the question.
Whether Heiser was a heretic doesn't change the meanings of בָּרָא (bara) and עָשָׂה (asah). Have you done a word study to establish whether it implies ex-nihilo creation anywhere else? It seems not. Indeed, had you bothered reading Genesis 1:2 as I suggested, even that should have been enough to disabuse you of that notion.
Do yourself a favor and listen to Dr John Walton's 2016 Hayward Lectures. They're on TH-cam.
My Hebrew Tanach also uses "asah" in Genesis 1:26. So, I decided to look into Logos software for more insight. During my research, I discovered that Michael Heiser was an editor at Logos Bible Software. It left me shaking my head in disbelief.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh with all due respect, you don’t have to listen to anyone when you can speak Hebrew.
Dr Michael, I hope you are feeling fine and on the mend. I wait with bated breath for your next clip of video where you unravel the mysteries of the bible.
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Genesis 1 is the story of a potter at his wheel, shaping something out of existing materials.
If He created, is He nothing?
Where did 'out of nothing' doctrine originate? I have heard it over and over, and always thought it is missing something.
The end tells us about the beginning. Everything is made out of Time... whatever that is.
It looks like the 'new' creation is made out of something timeless rather than time.
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever,
who created heaven, and the things that therein are,
and the earth, and the things that therein are,
and the sea, and the things which are therein,
that there should be time no longer:
If you were to make a human in your own image today [bio/AI clone], you would use plenty of silica, gold and other precious metals, water and iron/copper. All things you find in the ground of earth.
good luck trying to breathe life into it
@@trialbyfire7112 and creating your own molecules too
I always struggled with creation ex nihilo because I don't believe that God is a kind of magician presenting an object out of nothing. In my opinion we should focus on God being the supreme spirit. What we call matter, space and time could have his origin in the spirit of God. God is the source of everything we call "creation". His way of creating is making the invisible visible. And he is doing it by speaking it into existence. If he is saying for example "Let there be light" he already must have had a concept of what "light" is, before he did create it. So it has to "pre-exist" in him. Hope that makes sense.
When the Bible says "create" it's out of nothing. When it uses words such as "made" or "fashion" it's from stuff He has already created, out of nothing.
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# fandude7, thank you. You explained in one sentence what this man is trying to wrap his head around. God Is Who He Is. We don't understand Him fully. Never will til we see Him face to face. Quick edit, 3 sentences lol. Take care
The Bible doesn’t say “create.” The Bible is written in Hebrew. Don’t assume that the English word we use to translate “bara” has the exact same meaning as the Hebrew.
@@dondgc2298 Didn't assume. Actually "bara" does means "create," out of nothing. Checked several sources.
@@fandude7 with all due respect, you’re wrong. Bara does not have to mean ex nihilo. Even Answers in Genesis, which takes about as conservative stance as possible on all matters related to creation, says it is absolutely wrong to try to force “out of nothing” onto “bara”.
Yes. If you accept God pre-exists. God isn’t nothing, but there was nothing but God, sans creation.
Gap between Genesis 1 and 2