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One of those things I didn’t know I NEEDED. Damn you emax. Jokes aside though, you are one of the few reviewers I can come to for a good in depth, non-biased and quick look at new stuff. Really value your opinion on stuff in this hobby
Indeed. I bought Nanohawk right after watching Bob's review. Seems that I have another hawk coming soon🤣
Excited to see this new 3.5" category. I'm sure many more will follow. Seems like a good sweet spot of performance, efficiency and staying under 250g.
Finally! I have been waiting to see someone build an air unit or vista into the structural part of a frame. Hope that works out for you!
Had it for a month. Absolutely great flying quad, takes any 4s battery 650-1550mah. Got it because that was the only way to get a nebula pro, ended up loving it.
Durable, but weakest point are the motors - bent shafts multiple times and bent them back by hand. Had to design and print motor protectors.
I think at this weight motors need 2.5-3mm shafts. Also emax 1404 motors are very tall, so that contributes to the bending problem.
You have 2 stock P.I.D. profile one for regular fly and another is for caring a action cam.It comes tuned.
Pretty nice looking quad, Bob!!! 😃
Fantastic flying and review!!!
Stay safe and flying there! 🖖😊
Exactly right on the connector. I replaced the XT30/18ga wires, on my Babyhawk R Pro 4", with an XT60/16ga pigtail. Soooo much better!!!
I accidentally bought four sets of 3.5 inch props several months ago. It would be a shame to waste them. Maybe I should get something to put those props on.
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"Honey, I accidentally bought wheels for a Porsche. Would be a shame to waste them."
@@Gosuminer LOL!!
@@Gosuminer brilliant, brilliant thinking!
@@Gosuminer Perfect excuse to buy a Porsche.
this new category is game changing! excited to see what the other competitors are up to
I ordered one, it looks sick. Thanks for discussing the Nebula Camera, no other reviewers went into that area. I think the pro will be fine.
If Kabab says the only issue is TX30 then it must be a g*damn good kwad! I will be getting one when they actually make it to the stores.
I will experiment with it by putting on bigger motors, like Geprc 1408 or something 15xx, 16xx or even 17xx with higher kV. Hopefully the range of 3.5" props increases soon as other manufacturers release kwads in this size.
Interestingly - this baby seems to be doing pretty well as a long range - Nurk got 18+ minutes from it on a 4s 18650 Flywoo/Sony lipo.
Pretty versatile beast this one!
This thing is really a great value. Emax doesn't make the highest quality stuff but it's definitely not low quality. It's just right for what they're aiming for
I always seem to learn something from you. Thanks for another candid video!
I’ve already got popcorn ready to go. Waiting to hear what the DJIhadists complain about this time😆🍿👍 Don’t dare compare the plastic unicorn god to this peasantry level of fpv craft!
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HAAHAA ;)
Thank you for your insights! Another impressive Emax product.
I said this elsewhere but with an XT30 or XT60 that cable needs to be anchored down with a couple of zip ties. One good crash would yank it right off the PCB.
3.5in on 3700kv 4s is a pretty decent power to weight ratio. I play a ton on 3600kv with 3000mah 3s 18650 VTC6A or 2800mah 3s VTCD cells and it can be a pretty fun time for a LONG time. Not super racing type speed but good for some above modest cruising. When I swap to 4s lipo on my 3.5in and 3600kv build it can probably hit 70-80 mph on full power.
Thank you Bob. What are your thoughts on the purpose of life?
😂. Sadly I view humans as animals and nothing more. I don't mean animals in a bad way. I mean that our consciousness is a biological fluke of evolution. I do believe there is some form of higher order but we probably won't ever know what that is.
The meaning of life is to exist together and help everyone else not totally hate their lives. Unfortunately it seems kids born today will likely have some very serious ecological issues to deal with and many will parish due to the drastic climate changes yet to come. 😔
@@Kabab Very interesting! Thank you for your thoughts
@@Kabab I thought he talked about LiFe Batteries. 🤦🏻♂️😂
Bold question Alden Hauser! What are your thoughts, curiously?
@@WEEBER13 I do not believe there is a set "purpose" for life. However, life is extremely precious due to its ridiculously low probability of existing. Therefore it must be protected and lived to its fullest. While I don't think there is a set purpose, I think that each person can find their own purpose to make the world a better place and help people. What are your thoughts?
I do love the look of that digital quad you're working on, I hope the cross braces give it the stability you need
Feel like 1404 is a bit small for this pretty steap pitched 3.5" props. Don´t you think?
That 5in kwads looks like an ummagawd 2fiddy!.
Interesting how you double the vista as standoffs in the rear 👌
well I'd hope not but they are both low weight :-D
Finally someone says the dji cam looks better than the nebula pro. I know it not that big of a difference, but everyone saying they "look exactly the same" has been driving me nuts.
it's definitely better but not a huge margin. It's enough for me to care enough to carry the spare weight on my own personal quads for enjoyment. I'm also consider myself a super quad snob....
I allways thoght that 3.5'' is the way to go for sub 250g. I'd love to see an analog version or at least that they sell the frame as spare part
I want that frame. I've been looking for a 3" (not toothpick style) frame that takes a whoop FC for a while. Everything I find in that category seems to have been sold out for a long time (I guess the 16x16 stacks took over from AIO whoop boards a while back).
Wow emax knows what's up
Love my 3inch babyhawk r, just ordered some v2 goggles. This will be the first digital I'll get.
Kaboom! Nice job doc!
Cool, like your build.
Hy Bob, got this Emax, do you have any tune to recommend ? Thanks
Default Emuflight is what I'd run. The the tune it comes with isn't bad
Your kwad looks awesome!
Hi bob, i´ve got a Fouride 5" and i am in love with it.
I am now looking for a smaller practice quad that i can fly in smaller spots and crash a lot more to practice my piloting skills... I dont want to fly sims anymore. Especially they dont have actual rates which makes sims kinda useless to me since i cant really train muscle memory:(
Is this Emax hawk a good fit for that requierments;)
I think this quad is a good cost effective option. The frame will absolutely hold up to whatever you through at it. The worst that could happen is breaking a motor here or there or really worst case, burn out the AIO board. Both are going to be pretty cheap and easy to replace for even a super beginner. Like I said in the video, emax really knocked it out of the park with this one finally. It's solid.
Hi Bob, love the Babyhawk hd, as you say not overpowered and great control, now looking to build a fouride 4" as a step up, I am thinking of using the components from a iflight dc3 which has 20mm 40amp stack and a full size DJI air unit which I think I can shoehorn into the back of the fouride, can you confirm if it can fit and not cause prop interference? also I have a set of xnova 1804 3100kv do you think these motors will do? 14g ea but I add more weight with the air unit also! I want to keep weight to around 180g if possible, thanks in advance
Yeah that's gonna work great. My only concern is to make sure the electionics will fit in the 15mm build height
08:44 Man, I love this frame.
1:37 i like that edit! 😂
I hope the ultralight 5” frame prevails through production! My current 46g ultralight (Rotorama Calypso) frame wobbles badly during flight from resonance so I definitely have to find a frame that’s rigid enough. Tommy’s frame is cool but I’d rather not be locked into using his motors.
Edit: The production version of the 2Fiddy has been changed to accept standard 4-hole-mount motors.
What if you went with a more of a sandwiched arm instead of a slender tall arm on your sub 250 5in? Could that get rid of some of your arm rotation without adding to much additional weight?
it would add weight I'm trying to keep off if I extended the sandwich into the arm. It would help but not a whole lot because the arms really are super long
@@Kabab gotcha. Yea that makes sense. So the motor to motor brace would be a better option. Can’t wait until you get it finished and out because I want to build a long range with it. I would much rather support someone who has put time and thought into something as opposed to a company that just copied something and threw it together.
Ur right about the xt30. Going xt60 u can see less sag and just raw power now.
I bought this and flew about 10 batteries and the cable broke off flight controller , don't you think the cable should be secured to take load off solder joints ?
which cable? The power cable? See if you can solder it back on if it did. It's not uncommon to tie down the power lead wire so this doesn't happen from crashes and such.
Trying wider and thinner arms could help with torsion problems (even if it blocks more area of the prop disk).
working on testing a number of things...
The efficiency depends on the connector?
I‘d like to learn more about that.
I am using a tiny red jst connector on my 2s efficiency focused toothpick...
Yeah when it's restrictive it turns current into heat. Having better conductivity makes everything work easier and better.
Why xt60? On 20A XT60 sags 0.01V vs XT30 0.03V. is it a big difference in flight time compared to few grams of weight?
I've found that most things larger than 3" or just more than ~170g auw benefits from an xt60 over xt30. In actual flight. Not from bench tests or anything
@@Kabab ok, thank you, I appreciate :)
I've found that most things larger than 3" or just more than ~170g auw benefits from an xt60 over xt30. In actual flight. Not from bench tests
Have you tried 650 mah? Would the lighter battery make a big difference in performance? seems to have plenty of flighttime.
It would be fine but it can really take a bit more weight.
Thinking of building an analogue version of this to replace my tp3 and tinyhawk ii race... I have a babytooth for really small proxy locations. How do you think the tp3 and babyhawk 2 compare in terms of noise, speed and flight performance?
The tp3 is quieter, faster and more in control but also smaller and a bit more fragile
@@Kabab thanks, at this point I have had a babyhawk II hd for a couple of months and honestly I can hardly freestyle it, the cg is way off with the vista in the back and the motors are too small. Still a lot of fun for cruising / cinematic though. My 2s 1204 8000kv 3" toothpick absolutely rips and flies way better and just as fast as the babyhawk. Your toothpick formulas are amazing. Can't believe a 3" at 100g auw can fly almost like a 5", in fact better in some ways!
Carbon will loose it's strength after vista start baking squirrel's with generated heats :( so need at least one standoff =)
Dumb question: what happens with that light frame if you put less beefy motors? Say the 1404 from the emax? It won’t rotate the arm for sure but would you still have enough prop response?
It works fine. If the motors are weaker, it's way easier to get it to work well
if you had to pick a fun beginner drone for freestyle which one would you chose ?
This is the best one yet for sure
At 6:30 it shows the baby hawk needs a caps. Look at that noise spikes around 50hz
It's got a cap.
07:36 Have you considered an H frame, with the arms coming out from the very front and very back of the main body? You would be able to use shorter arms, and maybe a little wider while using the same amount of carbon.
The true H design that's all square as you describe is going to fly fine but in a crash it won't hold up so well. The arm joint is 90deg and takes all the force of impact in the joint
Ahh man, I literally build a light 3 inch hd quad 3 days ago....
At least mine weighs 20 grams less, but it is 3 inch with 1303 motors though.
These 5.2.5 inch props sound really interesting , hope they come out soon!
Also do you think 1504.5 motors are to small for something like a 4inch Flywoo explorer “sport”?
The normal flywoo explorer uses 1404 motors and many people say that they don’t have enough power for light freestyle.
They Weight only 2.5 grams more per motor.
For 4", minimum motor size know is 1303. Maximum motor performance within reason is about 2203. The control performance platau starts around 1404 and tapers off by 2004. This is for open prop typical builds.
Hi! How does it compare with the geprc smart 35?
How does this compare to the Geprc Smart 35?
Hey Bob, any idea when the new 1s fpvcycle motors will be released? I wanna built a baby tooth!
Unfortunately it'll be a whole. They're in production
1:37 lol amazing edit. Any idea of when the babytooth motors will be back in stock?
Unfortunately it'll be a while.
@@Kabab hmm that sucks. What happened?
I have a tp3 spec build. This drone isn't much better is it? My tp3 flies good on 2s but it sounds really weird on 3s, using emuflight tp3 3s tune. Any recommendations?
I'm actually working on solving that issue right now...
@@Kabab Awesome! Can you share what you find out?
Hi Kabab! one question: if we change the XT30 for a XT60 the cable from the XT30 is thinner...it will be like a funnel??🤔🤔
What's odd is that the connector is much more restrictive than even a thin wire
@@Kabab Thx
What do you think about the insta 360 go 2?
I just hope they´ll do a decased one, that would be an absolute gemachanger!!!
I think it's actually pretty excellent but I also think they need to spend more time with people that actually use their products. There are a couple issues with it that don't really make much sense. I also think it might be a touch too expensive for what it is. That being said, it's the closest quality to a gopro I've seen outside gopro
Why you want it decased? 30gram is pretty light, same as SMO but it can take a crash and is water proof. Would be nice if nore brands focused on something similar.
@@le_tranq what if was still as durable and water proof but didn´t had a battery. Just directly connect it to the lipo. Could propably be 15g or less then. That would be absolutley awesome for almost anything starting from light 5" race quads all the way down to Toothpicks and whoops!
Weren't u all about tmount motors not too long ago?
I've never ever liked t mount. I developed the 2mm press fit shaft and prop because of it. The coming motor line up at fpvcycle will be 2mm pressfit and then it's going to jump to a new shaft style that's only 0.2g heavier than T mount.
Have you tried the CLRacing-f7-32bit-whoop-aio-v2-toothpick-flight-controller-w-35a-4in1-esc yet?
I've got it in the quad in the video right now. It's not unlike any other AIO
Is there an analog version of this?
There might be but the vista version is the special one
Since i fully switched to DJI HD i reeeally miss micro quads that i can rip around almost anywhere. Is this the smallest/quietest you can go with DJI while still having decent flight performance?
How much quieter is this then a fouride 5"?
You can go a little smaller with 2.5 inch props and 1204 motors. Pretty decent performance and not horrible flight times.
I'd say yes. This is the smallest package you can go with the vista built in that's worthwhile. You could make a vista fly on even 1.9" but to me, this would be the smallest thing worth flying because it actually flies quite well.
GepRC made the 2.5" Phantom that seems pretty damn good. Course Mr. Purist Kabab lol didn't think that much of it. But, others love it! I think the sweet spot for small and DJi is 3" and the brand new Avant quads Avio is worth looking into. Nick Burns just ordered it for himself, so it's got to have great potential, and he'll do a full review before long, I'm sure.
I built my 2s 3inch with naked vista. 67g dry and 95g auw. It rips and sounds like a Baby-brother-tooth.
07:07 Yes! The only thing that stops me from really liking the Fouride is the dropped camera mount. I just fly for fun so I don't use a GoPro. If the mount is raised like this instead of dropped in a future design, I feel like I can start loving it. Other than that it's perfect.
The second one that I like the most right now is the Ummagawd 2Fiddy, but the camera can only tilt up to 35 degrees. I like this better.
What is the dilemma with dropped cam mount? The goal is to be able to fly lower without running into the ground with props
What would you recommend to be my first fpv drone? I have a QX7. I don't have goggles.
This is a really good option I think
@@Kabab so should I save and go with dji goggles?
@@pablom463 yeah I'd strongly recommend it. The whole experience is much much better
@@Kabab one last thing... I kinda wanna start flying would you recommend me getting some budget goggles and then dji, or just straight dji?
@@pablom463 I've been in this hobby and addicted for over 4 years. If I was just starting out, I'd go straight to digital with DJI. Analog is on its way to complete death...probably around 2-3 years from now. People don't understand what happens...manufacturers will see slow sales of analog gear starting soon, and supply and demand dictates that slow sales equals discontinued products because if they can't sell them and make money, they simply won't make them. Plus, they won't want to make small batches because that raises prices and raising prices of slow selling SKU's means even slower selling SKU's! So, although people say analog will be around for a long time, that's simply not the way technology works!! And, you can't stop technology...not unless you find a way for all of the FPV users to all of a sudden find a reason to all buy analog again once digital FPV parts are soon cheaper and the selection is huge. More choices of digital gear will speed things up even faster!
It all speeds up even faster once DJI comes out with the long overdue, and over a year ago leaked 20x20mm AIO digital FC. By you know who! Shhhsh! That board IS KEY! Because, the ONLY negative of DJI is that the Vista and air unit weigh so much and are big. Once this new rumored board comes out, THAT ALL ENDS and DJI really, REALLY starts to dominate.
*Why they have waited so damn long I think is a huge mistake.* I think it all has to do with the slow economy from the pandemic. They could OWN the market right now and almost no one would even be debating going analog!!!
Soon, hopefully by late springtime or early Summer they will release it. But, the cheapest decent analog goggles are $350 and if you're gonna spend that much on the MAIN spendy component of this FPV hobby, you might as well save another $200 and go digital. It's the future. Plus, we can usually sell our gear we don't want any more used. How many people will be chaffing at the bit to buy your used analog goggles 2-3 years from now when EVERYTHING is digital and analog is dead and buried? So, you'll get no resale value either with analog goggles! ;)
Kabab when we getting the FPVCycle AIO back in stock?😭😭😭
I think maybe next week
I’m watching closely for the sub 250 (300) g development 😁
So the conventional wisdom is to aplign the carbon with the arm length for the maximum strength. However this only maximises performance in bending.
If you orient the fibers at 45 degrees you loose out on flexural stiffness but the torsional stiffness increases.
Could this be a solution to the twisting on long thin arms?
It's also possible to get quasi-isotrop CF sheet with layups at every 45degrees. Not sure if its way more expensive or harder to source though
If you look through my old videos I did some interviews with a carbon engineer. They've actually created special carbon that DRASTICALLY outperforms anything else in our industry. It has a special layup as well as specific fibers and resin. It could actually solve this issue completely and the carbon is way stronger too. The issue is that it costs quite a bit more. I'll be testing it nonetheless because it is a very nifty little design that is super clean. Just needs to work 😕. Normally I'd scratch the design and start over but I can't come up with a simpler and nicer design to go with.
@@Kabab if its just the torsion that is the biggest problem it might be worth trying some arms cut with standard (cheap) CF sheet but with the fibres oriented diagonally. Should still perform better than aligned fibres regarding twisting
@@TinkerLifeProjects 0/45/0 carbon would probably help a lot. But it's still just china carbon
@@Kabab I mean you can still use 0/90/0 just aligned diagonally rather than along the arm. That way your still using the same carbon as usual but get an increased resistant to torsional loads (at the expense of longitudinal performance).
Cool looking quad. Still analog so not for me, but I run those props on my racer x twig xl (they fit the true x version of the frame) with 1407 4000kv and its a beast.
So I had to order a babyhawk with the D8 rx just to get a babyhawk, and that's fine I do have an x9d+ which I got all setup and bound to my dji v1 goggles and x9d to the babyhawk this morning. But I would like to get rid of the d8 and just bind the vista to my dji v1 controller and goggles to go that route. I just don't know if I'll need to cross the tx and rx wires from the Vista to the flight controller. Can someone give me the details on what wire needs to go where please? Thanks
This is always a question mark. Still to this day it's a mixed up wiring scheme. Some you do some you don't. You're supposed to cross them from rx to FC but you don't know till you try. If it doesn't work, solder them the other way
What's he saying ? .. I can't hear him for the music .
Is this babyhawk 2 hd better then smart 35 hd?
Nice
3:53 sketchy lookin xt60 to xt30 😳😂
I love XT30, I have 2 micros that never passes 35A um a WOT and 99,9% of time I’m under 15A and 70% at under 10A so I believe it’s more than OK, as we use XT60 in 5” that demands 120A at WOT!
5" quads benefit from moving up to an XT90 as well. Particularly racers.
@@Kabab as I fly slow proximity freestyle I’m good lol
just typing as i watch..
says F4 STM32f411 - 25A ESC
Strong capable chassis, good brakes, small motor.. Miata?
Vertical cross braces to box it out would be decent aero,
to stop that flex, without drag.
just complexity and pia...
the motor to frame ratio is "The Deal..."
battery is variable..
vista and stack are fixed....
$339 with Csrf not bad... but better than Flouride?
which is about ~375?
It all comes down to the power train. This is a 3.5" quad on a 1404. Moving up to 4" gets you significantly more speed, control and payload potential. for 4", I recommend is using 1303 at the absolute minimum and performance begins to max out in performance around 2203-2204 in size among typical open prop FPV quads. The control improvement just begins to increase faster at the 1404 mark and begins taper off at the 2004 size. If you're going to be running small 1404 motors on 4", you're not going to have great performance. Sure it'll work but control will be limited and speed won't be that quick albeit I don't think the lack of speed is a big deal. This is a 1404 motor on a 3.5" light blade. It will have better control than 1404 on 4" no matter what 4" prop is put on it. The rest of the quad is a different story but isn't as impactful to the flight performance as the motor and prop size
MIATA IS THE ONLY WAY! ;)
Beginning of video -- " I built this quad and I can't figure out a good tune for it"
End of video " I recommend just building your own quad, its easy"
Siiiick
Could this 3,5'' guy carry one of those 4s 18650 lion packs?
Yeah definitely can
Anyone know how the Babyhawk HD might perform with 3" props w/ guards, lower tune, and, naked gopro?
It won't fit 3" at least in the front
@@Kabab thank you. I ended up going with the Protek25. Getting ready to rebuild my glide though. Making it a little lighter.
Why do you need a foot to solder? :D
In case you're missing a hand/arm 😅
Beacouse EMAX design it for xt30 batteries:)
3:43 I didn’t know that
If it has a 25a ESC why run an XT60?
I've found that any quad heavier than around 170g auw can benefit from the XT60 over an XT30
Oh....months....that makes more sense
This looks really good, please compare it with Dave_C's new 4" 250g freestyle quad when he releases it, I'm looking to get one of them.
focus more on the drivetrain. 4" motors range from 1303 at the absolute minimum and max out in performance around 2204 in size among typical open prop FPV quads. The control improvement just begins to increase faster at the 1404 mark and begins taper off at the 2004 size. If you're going to be running small 1404 motors on 4", you're not going to have great performance. Sure it'll work but control will be limited and speed won't be that quick albeit I don't think the lack of speed is a big deal. This is a 1404 motor on a 3.5" light blade. It will have better control than 1404 on 4" no matter what 4" prop is put on it. The rest of the quad is a different story but isn't as impactful to the flight performance as the motor and prop size
Yeah Dave c’s 1804 4” rekon 4” sub 250 looks awesome. Looks pretty fast and super long flight times.
where would i soder my crossfire receiver?
It comes with the wires to solder the rx on. It's got clear pads for it
@@Kabab Hi so you have to solder the four wires fom the crossfire receiver to the fc board? Do you need to unsolder or solder any of the dji connections?
@@stevenfollows1205 I don't remember the board layout but I believe you can run the vista and crossfire at the same time. You only need three wires from the crossfire. Not all 4. Ground, 5v and signal.
Can you use the new dji controller on this
I'm pretty sure you can but my current dji fpv stuff has prototype firmware on them so I cannot at the moment so I cannot confirm
Wow thanks for the quick reply. Love the content
"Cross Bracings" -- Another term for "Tree Grabbers" and you will NEVER get it out of the tree.
yep
processor shortage?
Yep. Huge chip manufacturer shortages these days
She's so cute
I'm still missing what makes this thing special to anything else in this size category 🤔....
that's why the title says 'might be really popular' :-D. There isn't anything special about this specifically but it is updated, well speced and performs well. What's special is that there's nothing wrong with it. Sad but that's really it. Now to see whether the market cares or not
The title makes me laugh. It’s refreshing when compared to the bog standard hype-train stuff.
I´ve just received mine...its a 4" Long range set up in a freestyle frame.... but lack real power for freestyle!! i think it's only a cruising drone👎🏻
what are your rates you fly on?
this quad I turned them up. It's like 850. I'm usually around 600
They should have called it the Mighty Molar HD....
The weakest part of all these emax quads has always been the vtx, not a problem now with dji 😁 cant understand why they show an analogue module in their marketing video though 🤔
Yeah I agree. The vista solved their worst issue
You are right! But, their cameras sucked pretty hard too, at least the who0p ones! lol Those Emax micro quads they've come out with, always seem to have at least one bad feature that I've never been able to get past enough to actually order one! :(
mmm tp5.25 looks nice
looks nice at least
don't see at crossbraces as random and bad
triangulation is great for structural things
XT30: Exists
Kabab: You're really gonna wanna swap this out for an XT60
Yes. I've found that most things larger than 3" or just more than ~170g auw benefits from an xt60 over xt30
Please, make new video how it flies with xt60 👍😊 and do you swap cables also when you swap xt60 over xt30?
@@jyrkikadenius2801 you won't see any real change in the video but you'll feel a difference and get more flight time.
Ok 👌
👍👍
Stop! I'm gonna throw up. Just kidding. Nice crash. Thanks for sharing.
See ya in a month or 2?
After watching Funcentric's breakdown videos on build quality issues with the Emax Tinyhawk and Tinyhawk II Freestyle, I'm not touching Emax products with a 10' pole.
I canceled my $55 Tinyhawk II Freestyle order in time and got a full refund.
They're definitely value crafts. Absolutely not the best quality but they do tend to work pretty well. I don't have issues recommending emax RTF quads because they generally aren't put together by a fool and they do have genuinely good value. That being said, ALWAYS build the darn thing. Just do not buy any RTF ever. I don't understand why RTF is so popular when it's gotten so easy to build a quad and you actually get what you want when you do for less money.