So, i guess the deadliest of all deadliest, deadly weapons, which still haven't been produced, has to be... a curved Jagdkommando tri-katana... with a pommel!
I'll be honest and say that because ribs can move in almost every direction fairly easily, I don't think it would be very noticeable in difficulty but a flat blade would be ideal
Why would you want to do that, when you have the whole torso available? Usually you stab under the ribs, upward, or near the collar bone down. Now, a heavy knife can break ribs easily, like a heavy kukri knife. A straight trust will brake ribs, and still touch the vital organs. With this one, Jagdkommando, the tip is very weak. You probably can pierce trough ribs, but the tip will probably break. I know of one guy that tested the titanium Jagdkommando in ballistic gel, with bovine ribs inside, and the blade snapped in half. It is very weak. For comparison, a guy in Africa killed a Buffalo with a cold steel OSS, trough the ribs into the lung. Check the blade hq cold steel OSS page for the story.
I once accidentally drilled a hole in my thumb, I put the drill into reverse to get it out, and the white bits that came out with the drill were the bone. Nasty. That thing is basically a large drill, it gives me the shudders.
@@kvrsed2620 I'm sure it's totally fine...that bone that came out when he reversed, it was never really needed in the first place LOL. Finger still okay? No, I don't think it was ever the same again from that day on, unless he had some serious surgery and even then I'm sure it's nowhere near okay LOL (that's not a LOL at the guy who drilled himself)
You ignored a major point...why would you want a to make a wound that is harder to stitch up and heal. If you stabbed a person during combat with a regular bayonet/knife, incapacitated him, making him no longer a threat, and you achieved your goal...but in the end, he survives to be stitched up and taken captive, only to return home after the war is over...what did you really lose? Jagdkommando tri dagger wasn't designed to quickly dispatch an opponent, it is supposedly designed to cause pain and for the stabbed person to die slowly in anguish. the only point of inflicting an unhealable wound is vengefulness, it doesn't increase the combat effectiveness of the knife. Jagdkommando was an Austrian stormtrooper unit in WWI, they were shock troops who infiltrated enemy trenches, I think the Idea of the knife design is to cause fear in the enemy. if you see the bodies of fellow soldiers who bled to death slowly in pain the soldiers in ht trenches moral will drop. but it's really an overkill, morale was already extremely low during WWI, didn't need a tri blade to do that. today Jagdkommando is Austrian special forces and anti-terror unit, what they need now, is an effective knife, that's why they don't use the Tri Dagger anymore, they use a regular modern combat knife.
Gad Yariv as long as i remember about that knive is that it was designed like an "armor percing", because the russian's jackets were so fat that a normal knive just can't get thought it, so the idea was as simple as being able to actually damage the enwmy, but i read it on wikipedia so maybe is not the reason
You wouldn't need that blade shape, just a triangular cross-section and a very thin point. The smaller the surface area and the stiffer the blade, the more power is delivered in the stab.
I don't see how the twisted design would in any way make it easier to penetrate through thick clothing. maybe you can use a rondel dagger with three edges for greater effectiveness, but you don't need the twisting shape of the blade in the Jagdkommando tri dagger. the Jagdkommando were created as scouting troops against the Russians, but after the war delved into a stationary trench war the Jagdkommando were modeled after German stormtroopers. they were badly utilized by the Austrian commanders, had significant victories in the alpine front aginst Itali, and later significant loses in the western front. so I don't think the knife design had anything to do with Russians when they were deployed in the eastern front, they weren't yet deployed in a stormtrooper capacity, but as scouts. I believe the Italian Arditi were famous for fighting with a regular double-edged dagger. it's an age tasted tool for killing people. two-edges on a knife/dagger are more than enough.
Gad Yariv im sorry but if i stab someone i want them dead not crippled not wounded dead forever gone. I dont like the idea of some ass hole seeking vengeance against me.
As someone who was fascinated by the design of the weapon and partially inspired by it in terms of fictional weapon creation, this video is quite enlightening. Helps give you a more realistic idea of what the strengths of the weapon are, over all the click bait about it being too deadly for war, etc. Great work man!
Might be worth looking at the Lebel bayonet. It's what this would look like if it had practical uses in the real world. Of course I think that window is closed with the massive improvement to medicine since the 1890s (plus theres a reason they stopped using them anyway), but its a pretty unusual concept if you're looking to design fictional weapons and found this knife interesting. In the case of the lebel the + gives it a great strength which allows a tiny cross section (easier to stab) and makes it harder to stitch the wound. But it then loses any practicability one gets from a knife and was apparently quite fragile from being too thin and light was my understanding). And obviously you're only stabbing and never cutting with it so the loss of cutting isn't important beyond practicability.
It's not a knife made for cutting. It's made to poke someone. If you get stabbed with that kommando it's going_ to literally put a a hole in you and you won't be whole well you will be fractured but whole
The problem with that knife that no one seems to realize is that its meant to be used with a power drill (the cordless type with a battery pack), once attached to the power drill there´s nothing you cant stab with it, people, cars, concrete, anything!!!
Short answer? YES!!! The how you fire it, well, let me tell you, you have options! First is you have a bow, crossbow or speargun you can just attach it to the arrow/bolt/harpoon and you are ready or you can fire it from a shotgun, just slide the handle inside the barrel and you are ready! And if you have a grenade launcher attachment for any assault rifle like an M16 after some minor mods you can load it there and shoot it no problem. Hope this answers your question...^_^...
Warning, the obligatory pommel meme follows......... In order to use it as a drill you have to unscrew the pommel first, then you have two unstoppable weapons for the price of one.
what you were showing at 9:10 is a vein (blood going to the heart), not an artery (blood coming from the heart). It would still be a nasty wound and an actual artery is just next to it, but strictly speaking, what you said was wrong. Generally speaking, a superficial artery is where ever you can feel a pulse. Blue, possibly raised lines are veins. From the top of my head: neck, clavicle, wrist, inner thigh, bend of the elbow and hollow of the knee, to name the most important.
sure there are more arteries and even more important ones, but I was talking about superficial arteries alone. If you counted Aorta superior and A. inferior in, you'd also have to mention the pulmonary artery. In the sense that you could penetrate the specific blood vessel with a slash, I probably shouldn't have mentioned the femoral artery
I won't deny that a sufficient cut at this location can be lethal, but you can't see the artery from the surface (but you can feel it pulsing). Especially not a pronounced with such a bad lighting. As he is referring to the thing you can see, this is the vein. I'm quite certain, he meant the (not visible) artery, but that was never my point.
He likes other comments that point out other qualities this knife doesn't have, but won't recognise or apologise for being blatantly wrong about something
My issue with the jagdkommando is that regular daggers are multipurpose survival tools while the jagdkommando tri blade just makes it slightly more deadly while removing the utility of a flat single edge design.
I respectufully disagree, as someone wich has seen someone be stabbed and lives in Brazil where violence is very comon, i would say getting stabed altough bad is a very survivable scenario, just like it happened to our president wich was stabbed with an long knife in his mid section near the obliques muscles and survived
I was in prison for a short period when I was younger and while I was there a guy got stabbed 30+ times in the kitchen and survived (I thankfully didn't see it happen but a guy on my wing was a cleaner and he said he'd never seen so much blood). I've also heard of multiple incidents of people getting stabbed in fights and not even really noticing until they saw the blood. Obviously it can prove fatal if you can't reach medical aid in time to stop the bleeding but it's certainly not an immediately fatal or debilitating wound unless they hit something critical like the heart or brain, even if they hit a major organ or artery you've still got a bit of time before you bleed out.
Yeha but a president has people respond to an attack. This knife would suck at fencing,it would suck all around. U can use a normal tri blade if u are really concerned with how bad u are at stabbing vital organs.
Prison is not a good example because in prison "knifes" are rarely existant mostly we are discussing shanks. And shanks are usefull at kneck stabs. If u do any othed type of attack the pointed tip is too short to be effecfive almost always. Modern military does not use shanks.
I think the whole issue can be summarized with one question: if you want the knife to be twisted, why not just do the twisting yourself? It's basically asking to twist and slip out of your hand or get stuck on the way out. It also leaves you without a consistently placed edge to cut or bind with which even a straight tri-dagger could have. It also sacrifices most of its other utility in the compared to a flat blade. Just make a cruciform dagger at that point, at least that's historically proven.
Yeha but how much effort would it take to twist something so big? It is not even large on the side. It is only large on lenght. So the extra stabbing force matters.
It's meant for stabbing flesh and stabbing flesh only. It's a dagger that's only supposed to make a large, deadly wound that can't be sealed. I've head that a duller knife makes a less clean cut and is harder to heal because it rips, it doesn't just slice cleanly. Which is probably why the sides are dull and the end is super sharp. If you do get medical attention, you die anyways because they can't seal it easily.
Most specialized weapons do only one trick REALLY well. That's why they're called specialized weapons. The tri dagger stabs good, chops really bad. The axe chops good, stabs really bad. A straight sword can stab and chop decent but it's not as good at the tasks as specialized weapons.
You came up with a very important point: to be be stabbed by a dagger or knife is not "just a flesh wound", you'd be dead if not taken to a hospital immediately. People tend to believe that only chopped off members, spears or swords that trespass your body or gun shots would be a real problem. About the dagger in question, what it gains in stabbing it loses in cutting/slashing, as long as I understood your explanation.
Its interesting. I personally know someone who survived 16 stabs to the torso. There are many accounts people surviving numerous stabs. Also there are accounts where people died from getting stabbed with paper scissors (the small elementary schooler ones) or swiss pocket knives (those are having like 5 cm blade). So it really depends. If no major blood vessel or organ is damaged getting stabbed is not that bad (hurts like a bitch though).
Stab wound lethality vary heavily on EXACTLY where it was done as well as the size of the wound, depth, and measure taken after. You could be stabbed 100 times and hit mostly empty space in the chest and torso area. Likewise, you can get stabbed once and die in minutes. This dagger isn't any more dangerous than other stabbing tools, though
Don't know what the guy was stabbed with, it was before the internet, so I couldn't find a news article from the time. Most likely a kitchen knife as with most urban stabbings. He was an ex cop who knew how to look after himself, and very lucky to survive after emergency surgery, but it took it's toll on his health.
One misconception you're having about this knife is that it's intended to be twisted to create a hole whereas it is in fact intended to create a wound shaped that's intended to separate the wound so that it creates three cuts which needs stitched ( imagine if you will drawing a line from the center of a triangle To Each corner) together which takes a fairly high level of medical competency
Side note I'm not arguing on whether or not this is a good knife it's just from the article that I read that is how it was more intended to be used then to create an actual hole in somebody
From my understanding, it's supposed to work like a self-tapping dagger. The thrust alone would make the drilling effect, since the blade edges spiral.
@@Good_Boy_3000 I'm sure it does have a natural drilling effect given the blade shape which does contribute to creating the wound shape that is hard to repair and has a quick bleed out time
Which is useful when utilized by between mideival armies by one side. The tridagger army would overwhem the apposing army's doctors. The rules of triage would say that those soldiers with such wounds would be left to die or suffer. If they survive, they wont heal in time to rejoin that particular war.
That Jagdkommando dagger thing seems completely useless. The weird twisted triple-blade also makes it harder to stab with in the first place I think. And really you don't need a weapon to do more than force your opponent to stop fighting you. You don't need to kill them, just incapacitate, demoralize them into running away, or hurt them badly enough that they need to take care of their wound. Twisting a blade to make the wound impossible to treat won't make them die quicker, right? At best you get them to go at you with reckless abandon because they know they're doomed anyway.
From a soldier's perspective you'r correct. If you can stop the enemy from killing you, you've won. The moment he runs off, the scariest moment of your life (which a knife fighr would probably be) is over, and if the guy lives or dies doesn't matter to you. From a military perspective there might be a point to creating wounds that cannot be stitched up. As a general, after your soldiers have won the engagement, you'd still want the enemy soldiers to die. Also, the fear factor of having stories go round about soldiers being stabbed by a weapon that makes it impossible for the wound to heal would greatly demoralise the enemy. If it weren't that expensive to.make it might have an advantage in warfare.
@@bavarianpotatoexcept that a knife isn't a killing machine for the military. It's also a survival tool. The spiral dagger is not that good as a combat tool since it can't slice. As a survival tool, it is absolutely useless.
The knife is very deadly trust me It is so deadly It is almost against the laws of war for how cruel it is The knife twists with ease into the body making a unfix able wound that can’t be stitched So it is terrible in the fact that who ever meets it will die most likely from bleeding out unless it is stabbed in the right place so the person dies quickly It is a dagger Which means it shouldn’t cut It just stabs Yet it’s stab makes up for it This a knife not to be joked about
Jesus Christ. Do you people even listen to yourself? This dagger isn't magical. In fact, it's garbage. -It's not banned in war. -A triangluar wound or a jagged wound is NOT impossible to stitch. How do you think bullet wounds are fixed? -The blade is so thick that it penetrates WORSE than conventional blades or daggers. Stop believing fairy tales and actually do some research.
What's even the point in stabbing someone and wait them to die because the wound is too difficult to close? Just use a normal combat knife and end the job if you're in a situation where melee combat is necessary. This spiral knife is stupid
I've never wielded Cloud's sword, but I know it'd be awful to attempt to use because I know what important qualities in a weapon it's missing, and the glaring issues.
I did some research on this thing because I was curious and it turns out the dagger was designed with throwing techniques in mind and it's balanced like a throwing knife. since throwing knives are generally not quite that effective at getting kill shots the idea was that this little do hicky might be slightly more likely to do lasting damage. It's not proven if it's effective but the idea is pretty sound.
The edge alignment wouldn't be so problematic, the blade is twisted, but it's twisted perfectly for edge to be on the right side(it's at the end of the blade, so edge alignment is same as for normal dagger in the area with which you cut). Other than that, I'd like to add, that this dagger seems like build not only for greater wounding, but also for armour piercing(otherwise, it makes no sense to make it so thick, of course twisted blade would be thicker so the blade wouldn't bend, but for that this thickness seems like overkill). Today of course, armors are different, but they still help to some extent against blades. This dagger would probably be more effective at penetrating those, than normal dagger/knife. To your point with javelin... it reminded me of russian knife(I think for Spetsnaz) that is basically normal knife with shootable blade(you push the button, and the handle has charge inside which will explode and shoot the blade forward, range should be something like 9 meters), that design combined with this blade would be... well something that would be added into Geneva conventions really soon.
@@Dominian1 "Outlawed by the Geneva Convention" does not mean "Made unobtainable and illegal to purchase". If you are a civilian knife collector, you can purchase it and own it - there is nothing illegal about that, in and of itself. What IS illegal is a military arming its soldiers with this knife and them stabbing enemy combatants with it. That would be a war crime.
@@flatcapguy0146How so? I admit, I do not know the Geneva Convention by heart, but this much I do know - a civilian can legally purchase a Jagdkommando dagger, or any other spiral-shaped dagger for that matter (like the United Cutlery M48 Cyclone). You won't have SWAT kicking down your door because you bought a Jagdkommando...
@@caseyleeshort A triangle cross-section like a bayonet is much better than the tridagger, I imagine stabbing through a jacket&hoodie/tshirt would be a bitch with the jagdkommando thingy. It´s not always so easy even with a normal knife
@@Mrraerae actually, its more of a pick than a dagger really, if you had this tri dagger at the end of your rifle and you are stabbing someone, that shit is going through, its like a pike.
@@OtakuGameReviews It really wouldn't cut through clothing very well. A jacket can get bunched up even against a normal blade which can make cutting hard. And this thing would have to bite out a huge chunk of fabric compared to a normal knife. Stabbing through any thick clothing would be a nightmare
@@OtakuGameReviews Hell, I'm pretty sure a normal hoodie would protect you well enough. People move around when they are getting stabbed, this thing wouldn't go through a t-shirt and a hoodie unless you were holding the person down. Not to mention, if you wanna kill someone you're probably gonna stab them in the torso, right? This thing is just gonna hit every rib ever and you'll probably never hit the guy anywhere vital like the heart or lungs or liver. You might get him in the guts but that doesn't kill you very fast at all so it's not very ideal unless you wanna torture the guy. And there's still the problem of clothing, which this dagger would be horrendous against.
It's meant for stabbing flesh and stabbing flesh only. It's a dagger that's only supposed to make a large, deadly wound that can't be sealed. I've head that a duller knife makes a less clean cut and is harder to heal because it rips, it doesn't just slice cleanly. Which is probably why the sides are dull and the end is super sharp. If you do get medical attention, you die anyways because they can't seal it easily. And you can't normally make a weapen too efficient. I think it was for stealth military use. It's not really meant to only be more deadly at first. It's meant to kill always. It goes like this. Stab, medical care comes, they can't seal the hole, you're dead. But I don't know about the weight, that could change things.
One thing I thought about the dagger or knife depending what it really is. Is "why did they made it so complicated" when you stop to think about it. It basically just a rod given a point at the end. I mean really I just wonder why they made the shape and edges more complicated when your most luckily gonna stab with it(or atleast the shape of it encourages you to do). Just make it like a nail will be made, not exactly like a nail but really put a good steel or something and give it a sharp point like a spear stick will be made. Kinda really more simple and less stress then making a spiral plade with edges, let alone to re sharpen the edges.
It seems like this dagger is based upon the turn of the century (19th Century) deep sea diver utility knife. The diver knife was still shaped like a regular knife but because the diving suit was super think canvas with a lining of rubber, the mittens would make it hard to grasp a normal knife that you would barehanded on dry land. To me this Jagdkommando Tri Dagger looks like someone thought it would look cool at that a bunch of folks would buy it for that purpose. It has to be pretty darn heaver and it isn't going to cut like a regular dagger or any other fighting knife like the K-Bar.
100% agree i bought clone of Jagdkommando (just cool looking dagger) but tbh i don't see why would someone use it. I mean when i compare it with some of my other daggers/bayonets i can't see how i could fit between ribs to hit the core organs. Your point about slicing is pretty redundant because most daggers are pretty light and useless at slicing, daggers combat is just fast stabs in the general torso area. But yeah i don't see how you can patch up someone who was stabbed 10 times in torso be it with jagdkommando or normal dagger.
"It creates wounds that are incredably difficult to heal so the victim pretty much always bleeds out. And that sounds awesome". Jees, I don't think I've heard many people talk so positively about killing another person.
Get used to it. The more people that are alive the less it matters when some die. The sentiment spreads pretty easily, especially when reaources start running low in the next couple decades.
@@ssc6042 i'm not sure if 'an individual lifes value decreses when there are more individuals alive' is the same as 'somone bleeds out because of an untreatable stab wound is awesome' are related. Unless you are planning to kill others around you so they won't use your resources. If that is your train of thought at this very moment, I suggest you get help.
@@aumer 100% related. The less life matters, the more desensitized people are to death. Things like talking about how "awesome" unsealable wounds are, become normalized. It's not just how I think. It's just the way things are nowadays. Get off your highhorse snowflake.
The original is the same but has a hole drilled up through the length of the handle, joining through to the holes in the blade. So when the victim is stabbed, the blood flows through the holes in the blade, through the inner length and out the back of the handle. Everyone has their own opinions of the knife, but in my opinion, the knife is to be used for a quick death , and the wound is not meant to heal. In the special forces, its kill or be killed.
One stab, maximize odds of death? This thing maybactually have some use for assasination, but then the sheath, notability, amd lacknof concealability of the knife factor against it
This knife has two main reasons behind its design. 1, it causes really terrible unhealable wounds, which cause the enemy to slowly bleed out in pain. It's very efficient for destroying the morale, seeing people with wounds of that sort. A bit of an overkill, but that's the reason, so there's that. 2, it's a dagger which you can use to essentially crush through a skull. That's a rather unique quality. So the Jagdkommando is a dagger that has very bizarre intentional properties, and it does its job if you think in terms of the creator's intention. So it's not a bad dagger, it's just an extremely weird and specific one.
The real reason why it sucks as a combat knife is that it lacks all the utility uses that a knife normally does. Because remember, be it a soldier, a guerrilla fighter, a survivor or whatever, even the people who EXPECT to get into a fight and prepare for it, don't actually fight for 99.9% of the time. They open tins and cut ropes.
Oh but they are. The deeper the wound, the harder it is to clean it, stitch it, bandage it. Especially if it is sort of wedge-shaped, like with piercing weapons. Add the twisting of metal edges inside the wound, and you have an injury that can not be healed at all outside of VERY professional surgical environment.
Digger Nick I'm a medic. These wouldn't even be close to the difficulty and variability of gunshot wounds. These are easy in comparison. Yes, deep can be harder but we have methods to save people from things that go all the way through them at twice the speed of sound lmao. When daggers and bayonets with cross sections like this appeared, there may have not been any well known procedures then, but it has been 80 years and medicine has advanced. Not unhealable, especially considering the thing basically just makes a big hole which medics and emts already know how to repair.
thepurespartanify not going to argue with a medic, obviously. I was told back in the university (we had an obligatory EMT course), that a deep and narrow wound is the worst kind due to many reasons, but it all boiled down to the inability to do anything about such wound unless you are a proper surgeon with all the necessary equipment. That's what I was talking about, you can't just clean, stitch and bandage this sort of trauma with your FAK, it requires professional attention. Do correct me if I'm wrong, please.
This tri blade knife is made for one reason only, stabbing and causing as much bleeding as possible, regular blades can slice and dice, cut arteries if you’re an expert knife fighter with lots of training. This Jagdkommando is a killing tool, now you can cut a rope, punch through a car door, stab through a wooden door, being what it is, it’s a deadly weapon. But so is a Swiss pocket knife, in the hands of an expert. For the knife collector, it’s cool to own.
@@lbcguy8723 It actually doesn't. This is clearly a tool for stabbing we all can see that. I have an example of why this is bad. Think about the force required to stab someone with a needle vs a large nail. Yes the nail will penetrate but it requires far more force. The edges on this thing are trash, way too thick so even after you've managed to thrust it into someone, if you miss organs this will push them away rather than cut them. Organs are squishy, jelly like. They're not held in place.
It is an "illegal " knife in war (Genevie convention and all) . based on the German "needle" trench spike. The wound is intended not to easily heal s it cross cuts as it goes in. Intended for a quick bleed out as he rightly calls the blood grooves. I sort of want one for my Illegal to carry knife collection.
None of the Geneva Conventions ban this knife. At most it might be banned in sone up tight countries because of dumb laws. Also the wound it creates is nothing special.
Nice video. Won't the extra blades on the kommando knife also cause extra friction/resistance when penetrating a target? A thin long knife would meet very little resistance, kind of like the a rapier? By the way, that's probably an artery you can see there, although it would still suck ass to get it cut.
Your make good points and as a general melee weapon I would wholeheartedly agree but I think, the Jagdkommando Dagger was intended for another purpose. My guess is, that the guys in the Jagdkommando (Austrian special forces) carry a normal Knife / dagger as well and use the special one just to take down a sentry silently from behind. In that case it is essential, that the blood pressure drops extremely fast or the lung collapses so that you don't have to control the victim for long and have less risk of him making any noise. Even when cutting a throat with a normal dagger you need to strictly follow a certain procedure to do it silently and without gargling noises. I think the main purpose of this new dagger is to facilitate that to make it easier under stress.
Oh ok, then i was misinformed. I thought they did, my bad. But would you agree that in the application i described, the Jagdkommando dagger would be advantageous to a normal dagger?
abstar57 What, an icepick's not a decent weapon that does the job of stabbing? Do tell me, why you would need a weapon full of razors that just get stuck in flesh more than a smooth narrow rod that would slip seamlessly between the ribs?
This video is what happens when a civilian who's never been in a knife fight, combat... never been stabbed, never stabbed, never treated said types of wounds... makes a video.
It maybe equal to other daggers when you stab someone in the upper parts of the body, but what about arms or legs? Normal dagger cuts can be easily closed and you'll survive, but a stab in the leg with this, even if it not hit an artery, will be very hard to stop the bleeding and in the end you'll die without surgery.
I wonder if you have to rotate your wrist as you are stabbing with this knife. It seems if you just did a straight stab there would be a lot of resistance from the blade where it starts to twist. Maybe soft tissue would be susceptible but I have watched a few videos where the reviewer stabbed with the blade and it just stops slightly beyond the tip. There must be a trick to effective use of this blade. I have a CS Taipan that I think would be easier to use and just as deadly.
It's also not so practical in every day use, because of the awkward edges it wouldn't be much use for tasks like preparing food or getting some firewood
The vein you pointed to would be vena mediana cubiti, and cutting it wouldn't be fatal, even considering how impressive yours was; however, the _artery_ you originally referred to, on the inside of the upper arm (not visible nor _very_ close to the surface tissue, though) is.
The Jagdkommando dagger is also stupid because if you stab your opponent, you want to rip the dagger out as swift and fast as possible. If you're struggling to get the knife out of your opponent and he's still fighting, then you're defenceless and the fight will likely end up with 2 dead people. Your opponent can take advantage of this actually and block with a less important part of his body, such as his offhand arm, just to get a decent stab in at you. This actually historically happened between a Scotsman and a Frenchman. I forgot their names and the whole story though. Not only can it end up with both people dead, but he will probably be able to stab you more times then you can stab him, so you've got multiple wounds to worry about.
Aidan Sumner Ik this is a little late, but have you ever been stabbed before, it’s a very very very painful experience. Unless the guy you’re fighting is jacked up on some drugs then yes this will happen. I think it’s dumb that they claim it’s a dagger with you’re points and all the points made
simply: the negatives far outweigh the 'positives' of the dagger: 1. yes it can make a nasty hole but since stabing and twisting is an option it the same or similiar result there is no need to make a special tool for it 2. the negatives include stuff like: less handyness because you cant do anything with it then stab. a knife is always more of a back up weapon/tool. if you are out in the wilds or in war or whatever you need a knife as a tool aswell as as a weapon. also because of the size it takes up a whole lot more space and its probably a fair amount heavier. a normal knife can be placed virtualy anywhere: inside the boot, on the belt, in a back pack, in a jacket pocket, etc. but a dagger/knife that big can realy only fit in a back pack or on your belt if it has a clip etc however because of the size in the backpack it takes up more space which could be used for other important stuff and for the belt it cant be concealed at all. but none of these downsides apply to normal knifes so its not worth it
just something to think about. if you kill someone with 1 heavy axe swing splitting them completely in half, they'd be dead. but if you give a little swing that only cuts open their skull, they are just as dead. doesn't really matter if the blade creates a harder to stitch wound, if you get stabbed with a knife you are not gonna be happy
How did this dagger get past the Geneva convention rules? I mean, soldiers can’t even use flamethrowers but they allow a twisted blade that purposely causes a much more gruesome and difficult to heal wound???
This dagger resembles a rondel. Rondels were a triangular blades that didn't have a cutting edge and was ment for only stabbing. But even a rondel had a straight blade no twist
It might also be good for a spear head as long as you're guaranteed an unarmored target. For example, if you are trying to hunt boar, and insist on not using a gun. Larger animals are more resilient than people, and it can take a while for them to bleed out. If you wanted to stab a boar and run away, the superior would that this type of head might inflict would reduce the chances of it recovering.
Are the holes in the blade for air to be blasted into the wound by a CO2 canister in the handle? I thought I had heard that was the real reason it was touted as being so deadly.
This specific knife was designed for trench warfare and is the only army issue knife / weapon outlawed by a global body as being too lethal! If you understand military strategy a weapon that kills is not the most ideal as once a body is dead it's dead - a weapon like this that you can stab in the soft belly with incapacitates the victim and they require 2-3 others to assist them - and the individuals cries of pain will attract others - that is an effective weapon. The damage / cut this weapon does is unique as it cannot be fixed / solved by a single surgeon or medic - it requires at least 2 often 3 medics / surgeons due to the twisting blade action into soft tissue. Appreciate the brutal efficiency of the Austrians.
What a wonderfully long text to show that you have no knowledge about history nor the capabilities to f this knife. News flash, they're shit. That triangular wound stitching myth is laughable
@SnapJelly That is not what the jagd dagger designers had in mind. It's a guard/sentry killer, those sharp spiral edges facilitate stabbing (penetrates more easily, because while in penetrates it also cuts). The base model was the rondell not the dagger. It's not a rounded dagger, it's a sharp rondell. The wound is the byproduct, not the specific goal
Jelly, there actually are historical daggers like these that were used by the British during WW1 to pierce the thick German trench coats....but they were rectangular and didn't form a twisty... And were banned by the Geneva Convention since a stab with such a dagger is basically non-stitch-able...
I think that things like this, in a warfare setting, just would be overkill-they're already likely to die, but you have to be that guy who wants to not just kill the guy, but to let him bleed out painfully, if he wouldnt have died initially. If your going to attack someone, in a warfare setting, at least ket the poor guy either die, or recover, not put an irreparable hole in them.
Yeah, but knife wounds are still eminently treatable compared with bullet wounding froma rifled, modern firearm. It's not even a contest, Chicago General stats put multiple stab wound victims as still eminently easier to save than someone shot in the torso with a .45 ACP handgun. By a factor of 4:1. Getting stabbed in the chest is preferable to getting shot close range with your average handgun out there. Also, livers can be stitched. Your liver is something that a surgeon can save. It's a ridiculously tough organ, and various gunshot wounding medels also suggest prompt surgery will save someone even with heavy gunshot wounding of the liver.
War is what sucks, this dagger seems practical for military use, however. If we want to settle all wars with fist fights or non-lethal weapons, that would be great! But as people have and do conduct warfare, as a weapon of war, I can't see the huge issue with tri-bladed knives being used militarily. "Because it's very hard to stop the bleeding." Well, yes, it's meant to kill the enemy... People aren't stabbing to wound. War is horrible, but if they're going to be fighting and killing one another, it seems like a legitimate tool to get your intended enemy to bleed out without indiscriminately affecting others.
It's a dive knife made to do as much damage to a marine predator as possible, if a shark attacks you while diving you could defend yourself with this, the wound cannot seal itself and will bleed profusely hopefully scaring the shark and turning it into a target for other sharks in the area
A machete to something half it’s size. The porpoise of the dagger is to stab not cut. It’s called using the right tool for the right job. This is why in most places it’s not legal to shoot large game with a small caliber gun, because there are much better options available. Use the tool that gives you the best possible results!!!!
I have a friend who keeps one of these in his car, he thinks it's great and super lethal... I hadn't seen this but tried to explain why it's just silly. It's basically something you would want on a spear or bayonet.
more pictures to keep viewers interested in video pls, especially when they are 10+min long! dont get me wrong, you have really dapper hair and many people could gaze upon it for hours, but just a little tip.
Jagdkommando only has one purpose and that is to create a wound canal that is impossible for even the best doctor to close, which is why soldiers are forbidden to carry it according to the laws of war.
When I saw the design I thought it was designed for parachute soldiers - only as a stabbing weapon to make it hard to accidentally injure yourself jumping or landing. Maybe it’s good as a troughing knife.
the Jagdkommando dagger is so good that the Geneva convention ruled it illegal to use in military combat the only other knife or blade that the Geneva convention gas band is the triangle bayonet
That is not why the Geneva conventions rule against it. Think about it. "So good" at killing would rule out a whole lot weapons. Weapons designed to cause unnecessary suffering after a cinflict ends is what gets serrated or barbed bayonets banned. But mostly it is marketing gimmicks.
as far as i know this knife is not made to be very effective more to show machining skills. because its relatively difficult to make a shape like this with a normal milling machines
No it was designed for military purpose as a last resort option. You don't slash or cut with it at all. Its meant to stab, twist, then pull out. If you don't die from bleeding out on the spot there is no way to fully close the wound as you would be able to with a regular dagger. With a very sharp tip and how it gets duller the further you go down by time you twist and pull the blade out it also rips and pulls flesh or organs out. Not just a clean cut. This blade is very deadly if used how it was designed to be used. Granted a kitchen knife could get the job done but if you like it just properly train with it. Same goes for AR vs AK. It doesn't matter what you use if you're not trained and ready to use it you'll be at a disadvantage.
I just watched this "testing" video and there are some things that I noticed. 1. The knife is bad at penetration. The dude dude couldn't even stab through a soft cantaloupe. And it's logical, stabbing something with a screw is going have more resistance. 2. Because of the spiral blades the hand/wrist of the user TWISTS!!! Which means that you can injure your wrists during a fight. (This could be theoretically solved by making the blade be able to spin). 3. It loves getting stuck. (This could be improved if the blade would spin freely). 4. It protects the target from getting sliced. So yeah, it's very bad at cutting. 5. It looks top heavy and combined with all the above reasons, it makes handling very awkward which even shows in the video. Here is the vid, which clearly shows the consumer demographic, and is present both in the video as well as the comment section: th-cam.com/video/z9o-50kI6GE/w-d-xo.html
@SnapJelly About the whole quickdraw argument... I do follow your point, but I think I might have gotten a solution for that. What if you would wear your scabbard just as normal, but you would put the top of the scabbard inside a hollow ring which holds the scabbard in place as you draw the knife, but allows it to freely rotate inside of that ring. That would remove the entire twisting problem, wouldn't it? Maybe now I'm thinking of it, couldn't you even work with a ball-barring system like in fidget spinners? With the ball barring part inside the ring but attached to the scabbard. Those ball-barrings reduce friction a huge lot, making it perfectly possible to draw your knife and just have it spin freely afterwards. What's your opinion on this idea? Do you think it would work? Anyhow, I greet you fellow traveler.
Is it designed to go through thick winter clothing? Yeah a stabwound in the torso is pretty much dead or incapacitated. regardless of the blade unless its tiny.
thijsjong Definitely not a guaranteed death or incapacitating lol there's so much empty space and so many different things to hit in the torso with varying survivability
I'd disagree that knives are so devastating. I mean people get shot every day, but with prompt medical aid a surprisingly low number are fatal. Even without rapid aid it usually takes far longer than we would assume. And of course bullets are far more devastating than a knife ever will be in terms of damage dealt. Add to hearing stories from both people who have been stabbed and doctors treating (different patients') stab wounds, they're not terrible. Obviously something to avoid but don't plan on it killing if that's your goal. With that said, I'd have to strongly agree that the knife has far worse tradeoffs. The knife largely seems to revolve around the idea "it will be harder for doctors to treat" but who really cares? By the time the victim reaches a doctor the attacker will be long gone. Rapid incapacitation or something to prevent a threat is what should really matter. Even then its only going to be annoying for the doctor and they might to be happy sure but its not going to be as devastating as people think. The patient is already at the hospital, the doctor has a steady stream of blood and the trauma center can keep someone alive with a far worse bleed for days if they really had to. So there really is a very limited increase in lethality here. And from my understanding depth is by far the strongest contribution to lethality for knives and daggers, this is obviously losing that depth in a massive way. To use this knife isn't helping anyone, its just being a dick frankly.
kinda missing the point as to why its the most deadly knife the wound cause is so severe that if a 1st world hospital had a incoming of 20 people who were injured by this knife statistically all of the would have a 60% chance of surviving while all other standard stab wound have 80-90% if not in critical organs obviously like the heart and brain Edit: also the holes in the knife are specifically designed to have a substance like feces or a lethal drug of some sort smeared in them to deliver immediate infection or cause death shortly after through posion this knife is literally stab and forget if they dont passout from shock of the wound then choosing to continue fighting you will probably get them killed in the time they waste not getting medical attention.
The thing about deadly knives is it depends on the training of the handler. A karambit for example would be much more deadly in my hands than a pocket knife, because I have extensive training with a karambit. So the question then becomes, who has extensive training with Jagdkammando knives? The answer is little if any. So thus, the life is ineffective, and as said in the video, redundant because it’s cutting edge is severely at a disadvantage. In conclusion, if I were in a knife fight and someone pulled out a tri edged knife. I would laugh and kick their ass.
it and the cyclone blade are like the phlogistinator of knives. that is to say they do alot of damage, reek of tryhard, and are also impractical compared to the default. but despite this they are both loved "and loathed" by many. tho i will say the m48 cyclone blade witch is a bootleg budget version of the jagdkommando dagger is actuly useful more so than the more expensive jagkommando. as due to the weight of the handle you could grab it by the blade and use it as a mace if your wearing gloves. so with a cyclone blade you trade the ability to cut for more damage when stabing and blunt impact.
Great video, but I don't think the commenter was asking for historical context, I think they were saying they don't see a history lesson as being practical, like the dagger. Also 9:00 hawt.
It’s just a cool looking dagger... The human body can take incredible amounts of damage and survive. Minor damage that might not appear serious can be be fatal. It’s not the knife, dagger or bullet. It’s more about location and luck. Life’s not a movie. There’s a reason why you hear about a person getting stabbed 50 time to death with a kitchen knife. Cause they were still struggling at the 49 times. And some people accidentally slice the right place, and die from a centimeter deep wound.
Could you make a video about common lethal wounds in battlefields in history. I know how its not look like movies or video games not every single death looks epic and glorious. Have been anybody sequized by his friend while he running/falling/snagging?
Berker Göker Most common LETHAL wound on the battlefield is a gunshot to the heart or great vessels and has the highest mortality. Second would probably be gunshots elsewhere or concussion blast damage which could be internal hemorrhaging or ruptures which lead to death later. They're much more common nowadays since the use of aerial strikes and IEDs is on the rise. A really common non lethal injury are sprains and sometimes concussions since they can come from many many things. Falling, helmet shots, hit by stuff, concussion blast, etc. Scrapes and bruises too but those come simply from running around outside lol
I've seen Adam celadin test their and it went through cinder block and even Kevlar. It's banned in warfare because it causes unnecessary suffering and it ties to what you said about getting stabbed. Also the m48 cyclone(can't spell what you call it so ill just say this since that's it also goes by) is like the raiper of daggers where it's good for thrusting but not slashing. Sure if you main marth is smash Bros, you can cause some damage with just the tip but that's hard to do.
So, i guess the deadliest of all deadliest, deadly weapons, which still haven't been produced, has to be... a curved Jagdkommando tri-katana... with a pommel!
The pommel has to be threaded for rightly ending purposes
sure you could say that due to the enemy bleeding out
-on the end of a spear!
Let me guess the pommelmis there so you can unscrew it to end them rightly.
Are you Prince Charming from Shrek
R. Voor more like farquad😂
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He is looking like farquad 😂😂
He actually looks a lot like solid snake.
@@erhanurkmez1740 Farquaad had terrible hair bro. This guy has Prince Charming hair
Just remember what we learned from Anime: people die when they are killed.
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I'd rather listen to Kamina. "A true man never dies, even when he is killed."
Until the following season, that is.
I learned the opposite from anime
Laughs in Eren Yeager.
I might add that it is probably harder to get inbetween ribs because of its big cross section.
You mean its unbelievably great cross section? I mean that's some thick stuff.
I'll be honest and say that because ribs can move in almost every direction fairly easily, I don't think it would be very noticeable in difficulty but a flat blade would be ideal
Its not hard to break or stab through ribs though
a sharp knife cut bones like butter
Why would you want to do that, when you have the whole torso available? Usually you stab under the ribs, upward, or near the collar bone down. Now, a heavy knife can break ribs easily, like a heavy kukri knife. A straight trust will brake ribs, and still touch the vital organs. With this one, Jagdkommando, the tip is very weak. You probably can pierce trough ribs, but the tip will probably break. I know of one guy that tested the titanium Jagdkommando in ballistic gel, with bovine ribs inside, and the blade snapped in half. It is very weak. For comparison, a guy in Africa killed a Buffalo with a cold steel OSS, trough the ribs into the lung. Check the blade hq cold steel OSS page for the story.
can you talk about curved swords? curved? swords?
Bashkuch :3 We’re a bit far from Hammerfell...
Real swords have curves.
Lol
crap took me a while to get this reference....
Bashkuch :3 backwards or forwards curved?
The most deadly/dangerous knife is probably the knife that cuts/stabs you. Doesnt really matter if it is a Khukri, dagger or a kitchen knife
Being killed by a butter knife is worse. Not only are you dead but you also have the embarrassment of the weapon that killed you.
Torin Jones not to mention death by spoon
it's also more painful because most butter knives are dull tipped
Well you can heal from a normal blade stabbing you not from a tridagger
Zurech
The wasp knife.
I once accidentally drilled a hole in my thumb, I put the drill into reverse to get it out, and the white bits that came out with the drill were the bone. Nasty. That thing is basically a large drill, it gives me the shudders.
Damn is your finger still good?
LOL
Hope you’re good bro
@@kvrsed2620 I'm sure it's totally fine...that bone that came out when he reversed, it was never really needed in the first place LOL. Finger still okay? No, I don't think it was ever the same again from that day on, unless he had some serious surgery and even then I'm sure it's nowhere near okay LOL (that's not a LOL at the guy who drilled himself)
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You ignored a major point...why would you want a to make a wound that is harder to stitch up and heal.
If you stabbed a person during combat with a regular bayonet/knife, incapacitated him, making him no longer a threat, and you achieved your goal...but in the end, he survives to be stitched up and taken captive, only to return home after the war is over...what did you really lose?
Jagdkommando tri dagger wasn't designed to quickly dispatch an opponent, it is supposedly designed to cause pain and for the stabbed person to die slowly in anguish.
the only point of inflicting an unhealable wound is vengefulness, it doesn't increase the combat effectiveness of the knife.
Jagdkommando was an Austrian stormtrooper unit in WWI, they were shock troops who infiltrated enemy trenches, I think the Idea of the knife design is to cause fear in the enemy. if you see the bodies of fellow soldiers who bled to death slowly in pain the soldiers in ht trenches moral will drop. but it's really an overkill, morale was already extremely low during WWI, didn't need a tri blade to do that.
today Jagdkommando is Austrian special forces and anti-terror unit, what they need now, is an effective knife, that's why they don't use the Tri Dagger anymore, they use a regular modern combat knife.
Gad Yariv Using this dagger considered as a war crime by the reasons you mentioned above.
Gad Yariv as long as i remember about that knive is that it was designed like an "armor percing", because the russian's jackets were so fat that a normal knive just can't get thought it, so the idea was as simple as being able to actually damage the enwmy, but i read it on wikipedia so maybe is not the reason
You wouldn't need that blade shape, just a triangular cross-section and a very thin point. The smaller the surface area and the stiffer the blade, the more power is delivered in the stab.
I don't see how the twisted design would in any way make it easier to penetrate through thick clothing.
maybe you can use a rondel dagger with three edges for greater effectiveness, but you don't need the twisting shape of the blade in the Jagdkommando tri dagger.
the Jagdkommando were created as scouting troops against the Russians, but after the war delved into a stationary trench war the Jagdkommando were modeled after German stormtroopers. they were badly utilized by the Austrian commanders, had significant victories in the alpine front aginst Itali, and later significant loses in the western front.
so I don't think the knife design had anything to do with Russians when they were deployed in the eastern front, they weren't yet deployed in a stormtrooper capacity, but as scouts.
I believe the Italian Arditi were famous for fighting with a regular double-edged dagger. it's an age tasted tool for killing people. two-edges on a knife/dagger are more than enough.
Gad Yariv im sorry but if i stab someone i want them dead not crippled not wounded dead forever gone. I dont like the idea of some ass hole seeking vengeance against me.
As someone who was fascinated by the design of the weapon and partially inspired by it in terms of fictional weapon creation, this video is quite enlightening. Helps give you a more realistic idea of what the strengths of the weapon are, over all the click bait about it being too deadly for war, etc. Great work man!
Might be worth looking at the Lebel bayonet. It's what this would look like if it had practical uses in the real world. Of course I think that window is closed with the massive improvement to medicine since the 1890s (plus theres a reason they stopped using them anyway), but its a pretty unusual concept if you're looking to design fictional weapons and found this knife interesting. In the case of the lebel the + gives it a great strength which allows a tiny cross section (easier to stab) and makes it harder to stitch the wound. But it then loses any practicability one gets from a knife and was apparently quite fragile from being too thin and light was my understanding). And obviously you're only stabbing and never cutting with it so the loss of cutting isn't important beyond practicability.
It's not a knife made for cutting. It's made to poke someone. If you get stabbed with that kommando it's going_ to literally put a a hole in you and you won't be whole well you will be fractured but whole
The problem with that knife that no one seems to realize is that its meant to be used with a power drill (the cordless type with a battery pack), once attached to the power drill there´s nothing you cant stab with it, people, cars, concrete, anything!!!
can you fire it?
i'm asking for a friend here...
Short answer? YES!!!
The how you fire it, well, let me tell you, you have options! First is you have a bow, crossbow or speargun you can just attach it to the arrow/bolt/harpoon and you are ready or you can fire it from a shotgun, just slide the handle inside the barrel and you are ready! And if you have a grenade launcher attachment for any assault rifle like an M16 after some minor mods you can load it there and shoot it no problem. Hope this answers your question...^_^...
Warning, the obligatory pommel meme follows......... In order to use it as a drill you have to unscrew the pommel first, then you have two unstoppable weapons for the price of one.
Hahaha, that one made me lol!
Lmao when a normal power drill to someone's chest is not enough! XD
what you were showing at 9:10 is a vein (blood going to the heart), not an artery (blood coming from the heart). It would still be a nasty wound and an actual artery is just next to it, but strictly speaking, what you said was wrong.
Generally speaking, a superficial artery is where ever you can feel a pulse. Blue, possibly raised lines are veins.
From the top of my head: neck, clavicle, wrist, inner thigh, bend of the elbow and hollow of the knee, to name the most important.
Ret Marut Descending Aorta.... Most important
And the femoral artery is really really tough compared to most others in the body
sure there are more arteries and even more important ones, but I was talking about superficial arteries alone. If you counted Aorta superior and A. inferior in, you'd also have to mention the pulmonary artery.
In the sense that you could penetrate the specific blood vessel with a slash, I probably shouldn't have mentioned the femoral artery
Nope, clearly the vein. Brachial artery is just right next to it. As said, it's a bit nit-picky, but he was pointing at the median cubital vein.
I won't deny that a sufficient cut at this location can be lethal, but you can't see the artery from the surface (but you can feel it pulsing). Especially not a pronounced with such a bad lighting. As he is referring to the thing you can see, this is the vein.
I'm quite certain, he meant the (not visible) artery, but that was never my point.
He likes other comments that point out other qualities this knife doesn't have, but won't recognise or apologise for being blatantly wrong about something
My issue with the jagdkommando is that regular daggers are multipurpose survival tools while the jagdkommando tri blade just makes it slightly more deadly while removing the utility of a flat single edge design.
I respectufully disagree, as someone wich has seen someone be stabbed and lives in Brazil where violence is very comon, i would say getting stabed altough bad is a very survivable scenario, just like it happened to our president wich was stabbed with an long knife in his mid section near the obliques muscles and survived
I was in prison for a short period when I was younger and while I was there a guy got stabbed 30+ times in the kitchen and survived (I thankfully didn't see it happen but a guy on my wing was a cleaner and he said he'd never seen so much blood). I've also heard of multiple incidents of people getting stabbed in fights and not even really noticing until they saw the blood. Obviously it can prove fatal if you can't reach medical aid in time to stop the bleeding but it's certainly not an immediately fatal or debilitating wound unless they hit something critical like the heart or brain, even if they hit a major organ or artery you've still got a bit of time before you bleed out.
@@DjDolHaus86 damn thats a lucky dude, but yah couldnt agree more with ya
Yeha but a president has people respond to an attack. This knife would suck at fencing,it would suck all around. U can use a normal tri blade if u are really concerned with how bad u are at stabbing vital organs.
Prison is not a good example because in prison "knifes" are rarely existant mostly we are discussing shanks. And shanks are usefull at kneck stabs. If u do any othed type of attack the pointed tip is too short to be effecfive almost always. Modern military does not use shanks.
I think the whole issue can be summarized with one question: if you want the knife to be twisted, why not just do the twisting yourself?
It's basically asking to twist and slip out of your hand or get stuck on the way out. It also leaves you without a consistently placed edge to cut or bind with which even a straight tri-dagger could have. It also sacrifices most of its other utility in the compared to a flat blade.
Just make a cruciform dagger at that point, at least that's historically proven.
6:00 i think the "real one" is supposed to have a rotating blade. Which makes it even less versatile and takes away from the knife as a tool.
Konstantin Urich doesn’t the twist make it harder to stab someone because the twist gets more resistance in the flesh
Stan De Vette the British soldiers are taught to stab and twist
put it in the chuck of a big ass drill
Its twisted so when you stab it tears up the flesh making it super hard to recover from, kind of like the trench dagger.
Just noticed I'm very late.
Yeha but how much effort would it take to twist something so big? It is not even large on the side. It is only large on lenght. So the extra stabbing force matters.
Actually the fact people think it's so scary and deadly makes it so practical 😂
PLEASE, don't let my mom walk in and see Snapjelly exposing himself, and pointing to his body... I'm STRAIGHT MOM, I PROMISE!
I can imagine the scene😂😂😂😂
I don't like the jagdkammado because it's very much a one trick pony
Lying on the shelf?
It's meant for stabbing flesh and stabbing flesh only. It's a dagger that's only supposed to make a large, deadly wound that can't be sealed. I've head that a duller knife makes a less clean cut and is harder to heal because it rips, it doesn't just slice cleanly. Which is probably why the sides are dull and the end is super sharp. If you do get medical attention, you die anyways because they can't seal it easily.
Most specialized weapons do only one trick REALLY well. That's why they're called specialized weapons. The tri dagger stabs good, chops really bad. The axe chops good, stabs really bad. A straight sword can stab and chop decent but it's not as good at the tasks as specialized weapons.
wilcoxway Exactly lol I’m not understanding why they didn’t get that 😂
@Armandas purvinis Waldo has to hide the evidence somehow.
You came up with a very important point: to be be stabbed by a dagger or knife is not "just a flesh wound", you'd be dead if not taken to a hospital immediately. People tend to believe that only chopped off members, spears or swords that trespass your body or gun shots would be a real problem.
About the dagger in question, what it gains in stabbing it loses in cutting/slashing, as long as I understood your explanation.
Its interesting. I personally know someone who survived 16 stabs to the torso. There are many accounts people surviving numerous stabs.
Also there are accounts where people died from getting stabbed with paper scissors (the small elementary schooler ones) or swiss pocket knives (those are having like 5 cm blade).
So it really depends. If no major blood vessel or organ is damaged getting stabbed is not that bad (hurts like a bitch though).
Debilinside - I think, in this cases, what was more important was how fast the victims were given proper medical assistance.
Once knew a guy who was stabbed in the heart, he was a big guy and he survived, but he was never quite the same afterwards.
Stab wound lethality vary heavily on EXACTLY where it was done as well as the size of the wound, depth, and measure taken after.
You could be stabbed 100 times and hit mostly empty space in the chest and torso area. Likewise, you can get stabbed once and die in minutes.
This dagger isn't any more dangerous than other stabbing tools, though
Don't know what the guy was stabbed with, it was before the internet, so I couldn't find a news article from the time. Most likely a kitchen knife as with most urban stabbings. He was an ex cop who knew how to look after himself, and very lucky to survive after emergency surgery, but it took it's toll on his health.
One misconception you're having about this knife is that it's intended to be twisted to create a hole whereas it is in fact intended to create a wound shaped that's intended to separate the wound so that it creates three cuts which needs stitched ( imagine if you will drawing a line from the center of a triangle To Each corner) together which takes a fairly high level of medical competency
Side note I'm not arguing on whether or not this is a good knife it's just from the article that I read that is how it was more intended to be used then to create an actual hole in somebody
From my understanding, it's supposed to work like a self-tapping dagger. The thrust alone would make the drilling effect, since the blade edges spiral.
@@Good_Boy_3000 I'm sure it does have a natural drilling effect given the blade shape which does contribute to creating the wound shape that is hard to repair and has a quick bleed out time
Triangular stitching is nothing special. Also the wound can be cut more for easier stitching if needed. Useless design.
Which is useful when utilized by between mideival armies by one side. The tridagger army would overwhem the apposing army's doctors. The rules of triage would say that those soldiers with such wounds would be left to die or suffer. If they survive, they wont heal in time to rejoin that particular war.
That Jagdkommando dagger thing seems completely useless. The weird twisted triple-blade also makes it harder to stab with in the first place I think. And really you don't need a weapon to do more than force your opponent to stop fighting you. You don't need to kill them, just incapacitate, demoralize them into running away, or hurt them badly enough that they need to take care of their wound. Twisting a blade to make the wound impossible to treat won't make them die quicker, right? At best you get them to go at you with reckless abandon because they know they're doomed anyway.
From a soldier's perspective you'r correct. If you can stop the enemy from killing you, you've won. The moment he runs off, the scariest moment of your life (which a knife fighr would probably be) is over, and if the guy lives or dies doesn't matter to you.
From a military perspective there might be a point to creating wounds that cannot be stitched up. As a general, after your soldiers have won the engagement, you'd still want the enemy soldiers to die. Also, the fear factor of having stories go round about soldiers being stabbed by a weapon that makes it impossible for the wound to heal would greatly demoralise the enemy. If it weren't that expensive to.make it might have an advantage in warfare.
@@bavarianpotatoexcept that a knife isn't a killing machine for the military. It's also a survival tool. The spiral dagger is not that good as a combat tool since it can't slice. As a survival tool, it is absolutely useless.
The knife is very deadly trust me
It is so deadly
It is almost against the laws of war for how cruel it is
The knife twists with ease into the body making a unfix able wound that can’t be stitched
So it is terrible in the fact that who ever meets it will die most likely from bleeding out unless it is stabbed in the right place so the person dies quickly
It is a dagger
Which means it shouldn’t cut
It just stabs
Yet it’s stab makes up for it
This a knife not to be joked about
Jesus Christ. Do you people even listen to yourself? This dagger isn't magical. In fact, it's garbage.
-It's not banned in war.
-A triangluar wound or a jagged wound is NOT impossible to stitch. How do you think bullet wounds are fixed?
-The blade is so thick that it penetrates WORSE than conventional blades or daggers.
Stop believing fairy tales and actually do some research.
I hope you've grown up this was corny as fuck 💀💀💀
What's even the point in stabbing someone and wait them to die because the wound is too difficult to close? Just use a normal combat knife and end the job if you're in a situation where melee combat is necessary. This spiral knife is stupid
How can you judge a blade without even handling it?
I've never wielded Cloud's sword, but I know it'd be awful to attempt to use because I know what important qualities in a weapon it's missing, and the glaring issues.
It seems to be designed specifically for tearing someone's guts apart
I did some research on this thing because I was curious and it turns out the dagger was designed with throwing techniques in mind and it's balanced like a throwing knife. since throwing knives are generally not quite that effective at getting kill shots the idea was that this little do hicky might be slightly more likely to do lasting damage. It's not proven if it's effective but the idea is pretty sound.
The edge alignment wouldn't be so problematic, the blade is twisted, but it's twisted perfectly for edge to be on the right side(it's at the end of the blade, so edge alignment is same as for normal dagger in the area with which you cut). Other than that, I'd like to add, that this dagger seems like build not only for greater wounding, but also for armour piercing(otherwise, it makes no sense to make it so thick, of course twisted blade would be thicker so the blade wouldn't bend, but for that this thickness seems like overkill). Today of course, armors are different, but they still help to some extent against blades. This dagger would probably be more effective at penetrating those, than normal dagger/knife. To your point with javelin... it reminded me of russian knife(I think for Spetsnaz) that is basically normal knife with shootable blade(you push the button, and the handle has charge inside which will explode and shoot the blade forward, range should be something like 9 meters), that design combined with this blade would be... well something that would be added into Geneva conventions really soon.
Just remember Tri Edge daggers were outlawed by the Geneva Convention because of how hard it was to fix the wounds
Then why can we order them from Amazon? (Germany)
@@Dominian1 "Outlawed by the Geneva Convention" does not mean "Made unobtainable and illegal to purchase". If you are a civilian knife collector, you can purchase it and own it - there is nothing illegal about that, in and of itself. What IS illegal is a military arming its soldiers with this knife and them stabbing enemy combatants with it. That would be a war crime.
Im sorry but this is wrong Look Up the Geneva convention
@@flatcapguy0146How so? I admit, I do not know the Geneva Convention by heart, but this much I do know - a civilian can legally purchase a Jagdkommando dagger, or any other spiral-shaped dagger for that matter (like the United Cutlery M48 Cyclone). You won't have SWAT kicking down your door because you bought a Jagdkommando...
@@petervitkov361 What he meant was that none of the Conventions outlaw this for war use.
the most similar dagger i can think of off the top of my head was a trench knife in WW1 the did have three edges however were only used as stabbers
bayonets
@@caseyleeshort A triangle cross-section like a bayonet is much better than the tridagger, I imagine stabbing through a jacket&hoodie/tshirt would be a bitch with the jagdkommando thingy. It´s not always so easy even with a normal knife
@@Mrraerae actually, its more of a pick than a dagger really, if you had this tri dagger at the end of your rifle and you are stabbing someone, that shit is going through, its like a pike.
@@OtakuGameReviews It really wouldn't cut through clothing very well. A jacket can get bunched up even against a normal blade which can make cutting hard. And this thing would have to bite out a huge chunk of fabric compared to a normal knife. Stabbing through any thick clothing would be a nightmare
@@OtakuGameReviews Hell, I'm pretty sure a normal hoodie would protect you well enough. People move around when they are getting stabbed, this thing wouldn't go through a t-shirt and a hoodie unless you were holding the person down. Not to mention, if you wanna kill someone you're probably gonna stab them in the torso, right? This thing is just gonna hit every rib ever and you'll probably never hit the guy anywhere vital like the heart or lungs or liver. You might get him in the guts but that doesn't kill you very fast at all so it's not very ideal unless you wanna torture the guy. And there's still the problem of clothing, which this dagger would be horrendous against.
Bottomline is a dagger is just an extension of the arm that wields it. It could be a rusty old 9" nail and it would still do the job for stabbing.
HMan "ya like 9" nails?"
Would it also add some spin to a javelin? Would that help (to stabilize it)?
It's meant for stabbing flesh and stabbing flesh only. It's a dagger that's only supposed to make a large, deadly wound that can't be sealed. I've head that a duller knife makes a less clean cut and is harder to heal because it rips, it doesn't just slice cleanly. Which is probably why the sides are dull and the end is super sharp. If you do get medical attention, you die anyways because they can't seal it easily. And you can't normally make a weapen too efficient. I think it was for stealth military use. It's not really meant to only be more deadly at first. It's meant to kill always. It goes like this. Stab, medical care comes, they can't seal the hole, you're dead. But I don't know about the weight, that could change things.
One thing I thought about the dagger or knife depending what it really is. Is "why did they made it so complicated" when you stop to think about it. It basically just a rod given a point at the end. I mean really I just wonder why they made the shape and edges more complicated when your most luckily gonna stab with it(or atleast the shape of it encourages you to do). Just make it like a nail will be made, not exactly like a nail but really put a good steel or something and give it a sharp point like a spear stick will be made. Kinda really more simple and less stress then making a spiral plade with edges, let alone to re sharpen the edges.
Getting stabbed by a tri knife would be a nightmare for a doctor to stitch up
It seems like this dagger is based upon the turn of the century (19th Century) deep sea diver utility knife. The diver knife was still shaped like a regular knife but because the diving suit was super think canvas with a lining of rubber, the mittens would make it hard to grasp a normal knife that you would barehanded on dry land. To me this Jagdkommando Tri Dagger looks like someone thought it would look cool at that a bunch of folks would buy it for that purpose. It has to be pretty darn heaver and it isn't going to cut like a regular dagger or any other fighting knife like the K-Bar.
Wait so he's reviewing a knife he has never used. I get it.
So you bought one and now you're feeling a sort of way. I get it.
You do realize it doubles as an edged blunt weapon as well, much easier to bludgeon the knife out of an opponents hand
100% agree i bought clone of Jagdkommando (just cool looking dagger) but tbh i don't see why would someone use it. I mean when i compare it with some of my other daggers/bayonets i can't see how i could fit between ribs to hit the core organs. Your point about slicing is pretty redundant because most daggers are pretty light and useless at slicing, daggers combat is just fast stabs in the general torso area.
But yeah i don't see how you can patch up someone who was stabbed 10 times in torso be it with jagdkommando or normal dagger.
"It creates wounds that are incredably difficult to heal so the victim pretty much always bleeds out. And that sounds awesome". Jees, I don't think I've heard many people talk so positively about killing another person.
Get used to it. The more people that are alive the less it matters when some die. The sentiment spreads pretty easily, especially when reaources start running low in the next couple decades.
@@ssc6042 i'm not sure if 'an individual lifes value decreses when there are more individuals alive' is the same as 'somone bleeds out because of an untreatable stab wound is awesome' are related. Unless you are planning to kill others around you so they won't use your resources. If that is your train of thought at this very moment, I suggest you get help.
@@aumer 100% related. The less life matters, the more desensitized people are to death. Things like talking about how "awesome" unsealable wounds are, become normalized. It's not just how I think. It's just the way things are nowadays. Get off your highhorse snowflake.
it's just a fancy fantasy weapon for edgy & rich tacticool guys, or an interesting item for microtech collectors.
The history can be summed up pretty easily. Someone took a look at a rondel dagger and thought to themself... what if I made it "tactical"
The original is the same but has a hole drilled up through the length of the handle, joining through to the holes in the blade. So when the victim is stabbed, the blood flows through the holes in the blade, through the inner length and out the back of the handle. Everyone has their own opinions of the knife, but in my opinion, the knife is to be used for a quick death , and the wound is not meant to heal. In the special forces, its kill or be killed.
This "knife" is nothing new. I cant remember what army use them, but during WW1 (and probably before/after) the 3 edge bayonet were well knew.
One stab, maximize odds of death? This thing maybactually have some use for assasination, but then the sheath, notability, amd lacknof concealability of the knife factor against it
Peter Bota It doesn't have any more lethality than a sharp spike does
How about just kill the person right then and there...
This whole video is very serial killer-esque.
Explain how
Oh, SnapJelly. This dagger is obviously for necrophiles who want to create an extra hole for... you know what.
This knife has two main reasons behind its design.
1, it causes really terrible unhealable wounds, which cause the enemy to slowly bleed out in pain. It's very efficient for destroying the morale, seeing people with wounds of that sort. A bit of an overkill, but that's the reason, so there's that.
2, it's a dagger which you can use to essentially crush through a skull. That's a rather unique quality.
So the Jagdkommando is a dagger that has very bizarre intentional properties, and it does its job if you think in terms of the creator's intention. So it's not a bad dagger, it's just an extremely weird and specific one.
The real reason why it sucks as a combat knife is that it lacks all the utility uses that a knife normally does. Because remember, be it a soldier, a guerrilla fighter, a survivor or whatever, even the people who EXPECT to get into a fight and prepare for it, don't actually fight for 99.9% of the time. They open tins and cut ropes.
Digger Nick The wounds are not really that hard to repair.
Oh but they are. The deeper the wound, the harder it is to clean it, stitch it, bandage it. Especially if it is sort of wedge-shaped, like with piercing weapons. Add the twisting of metal edges inside the wound, and you have an injury that can not be healed at all outside of VERY professional surgical environment.
Digger Nick I'm a medic. These wouldn't even be close to the difficulty and variability of gunshot wounds. These are easy in comparison. Yes, deep can be harder but we have methods to save people from things that go all the way through them at twice the speed of sound lmao. When daggers and bayonets with cross sections like this appeared, there may have not been any well known procedures then, but it has been 80 years and medicine has advanced. Not unhealable, especially considering the thing basically just makes a big hole which medics and emts already know how to repair.
thepurespartanify not going to argue with a medic, obviously. I was told back in the university (we had an obligatory EMT course), that a deep and narrow wound is the worst kind due to many reasons, but it all boiled down to the inability to do anything about such wound unless you are a proper surgeon with all the necessary equipment. That's what I was talking about, you can't just clean, stitch and bandage this sort of trauma with your FAK, it requires professional attention. Do correct me if I'm wrong, please.
This tri blade knife is made for one reason only, stabbing and causing as much bleeding as possible, regular blades can slice and dice, cut arteries if you’re an expert knife fighter with lots of training. This Jagdkommando is a killing tool, now you can cut a rope, punch through a car door, stab through a wooden door, being what it is, it’s a deadly weapon. But so is a Swiss pocket knife, in the hands of an expert. For the knife collector, it’s cool to own.
It not for cutting this knife is designed for killing
Pretty bad design for killing...
@@Totemparadox how so? It clearly does its job only care bears hate it
@@lbcguy8723 It actually doesn't. This is clearly a tool for stabbing we all can see that. I have an example of why this is bad. Think about the force required to stab someone with a needle vs a large nail. Yes the nail will penetrate but it requires far more force. The edges on this thing are trash, way too thick so even after you've managed to thrust it into someone, if you miss organs this will push them away rather than cut them. Organs are squishy, jelly like. They're not held in place.
It is an "illegal " knife in war (Genevie convention and all) . based on the German "needle" trench spike. The wound is intended not to easily heal s it cross cuts as it goes in. Intended for a quick bleed out as he rightly calls the blood grooves. I sort of want one for my Illegal to carry knife collection.
None of the Geneva Conventions ban this knife. At most it might be banned in sone up tight countries because of dumb laws. Also the wound it creates is nothing special.
Nice video. Won't the extra blades on the kommando knife also cause extra friction/resistance when penetrating a target? A thin long knife would meet very little resistance, kind of like the a rapier? By the way, that's probably an artery you can see there, although it would still suck ass to get it cut.
Your make good points and as a general melee weapon I would wholeheartedly agree but I think, the Jagdkommando Dagger was intended for another purpose.
My guess is, that the guys in the Jagdkommando (Austrian special forces) carry a normal Knife / dagger as well and use the special one just to take down a sentry silently from behind. In that case it is essential, that the blood pressure drops extremely fast or the lung collapses so that you don't have to control the victim for long and have less risk of him making any noise.
Even when cutting a throat with a normal dagger you need to strictly follow a certain procedure to do it silently and without gargling noises. I think the main purpose of this new dagger is to facilitate that to make it easier under stress.
the Jagdkommando don't use this knife
Oh ok, then i was misinformed. I thought they did, my bad.
But would you agree that in the application i described, the Jagdkommando dagger would be advantageous to a normal dagger?
Stabbing someone with an icepick would get similar results to this Jagdkommando dagger, so it is indeed redundant.
Deity1 rofl what that comment is so stupid
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What, an icepick's not a decent weapon that does the job of stabbing? Do tell me, why you would need a weapon full of razors that just get stuck in flesh more than a smooth narrow rod that would slip seamlessly between the ribs?
you have a lever to twist the blade, that makes it even better!
Trotsky is triggered
This video is what happens when a civilian who's never been in a knife fight, combat... never been stabbed, never stabbed, never treated said types of wounds... makes a video.
It maybe equal to other daggers when you stab someone in the upper parts of the body, but what about arms or legs? Normal dagger cuts can be easily closed and you'll survive, but a stab in the leg with this, even if it not hit an artery, will be very hard to stop the bleeding and in the end you'll die without surgery.
I wonder if you have to rotate your wrist as you are stabbing with this knife. It seems if you just did a straight stab there would be a lot of resistance from the blade where it starts to twist. Maybe soft tissue would be susceptible but I have watched a few videos where the reviewer stabbed with the blade and it just stops slightly beyond the tip. There must be a trick to effective use of this blade. I have a CS Taipan that I think would be easier to use and just as deadly.
It's also not so practical in every day use, because of the awkward edges it wouldn't be much use for tasks like preparing food or getting some firewood
How you gonna review a product you haven't personally tested
The jadgkommando can also be useful as barbeque skewer.
The vein you pointed to would be vena mediana cubiti, and cutting it wouldn't be fatal, even considering how impressive yours was; however, the _artery_ you originally referred to, on the inside of the upper arm (not visible nor _very_ close to the surface tissue, though) is.
The Jagdkommando dagger is also stupid because if you stab your opponent, you want to rip the dagger out as swift and fast as possible. If you're struggling to get the knife out of your opponent and he's still fighting, then you're defenceless and the fight will likely end up with 2 dead people.
Your opponent can take advantage of this actually and block with a less important part of his body, such as his offhand arm, just to get a decent stab in at you. This actually historically happened between a Scotsman and a Frenchman. I forgot their names and the whole story though.
Not only can it end up with both people dead, but he will probably be able to stab you more times then you can stab him, so you've got multiple wounds to worry about.
Aidan Sumner Ik this is a little late, but have you ever been stabbed before, it’s a very very very painful experience. Unless the guy you’re fighting is jacked up on some drugs then yes this will happen. I think it’s dumb that they claim it’s a dagger with you’re points and all the points made
It's called a Dagger, NOT a slicer....smh
simply: the negatives far outweigh the 'positives' of the dagger:
1. yes it can make a nasty hole but since stabing and twisting is an option it the same or similiar result there is no need to make a special tool for it
2. the negatives include stuff like: less handyness because you cant do anything with it then stab. a knife is always more of a back up weapon/tool. if you are out in the wilds or in war or whatever you need a knife as a tool aswell as as a weapon. also because of the size it takes up a whole lot more space and its probably a fair amount heavier. a normal knife can be placed virtualy anywhere: inside the boot, on the belt, in a back pack, in a jacket pocket, etc. but a dagger/knife that big can realy only fit in a back pack or on your belt if it has a clip etc however because of the size in the backpack it takes up more space which could be used for other important stuff and for the belt it cant be concealed at all. but none of these downsides apply to normal knifes so its not worth it
you dont buy this to use as a utily knife. maybe that helps you.understand.the purpose
just something to think about. if you kill someone with 1 heavy axe swing splitting them completely in half, they'd be dead. but if you give a little swing that only cuts open their skull, they are just as dead. doesn't really matter if the blade creates a harder to stitch wound, if you get stabbed with a knife you are not gonna be happy
How did this dagger get past the Geneva convention rules? I mean, soldiers can’t even use flamethrowers but they allow a twisted blade that purposely causes a much more gruesome and difficult to heal wound???
This dagger resembles a rondel. Rondels were a triangular blades that didn't have a cutting edge and was ment for only stabbing. But even a rondel had a straight blade no twist
It might also be good for a spear head as long as you're guaranteed an unarmored target. For example, if you are trying to hunt boar, and insist on not using a gun.
Larger animals are more resilient than people, and it can take a while for them to bleed out. If you wanted to stab a boar and run away, the superior would that this type of head might inflict would reduce the chances of it recovering.
Are the holes in the blade for air to be blasted into the wound by a CO2 canister in the handle? I thought I had heard that was the real reason it was touted as being so deadly.
This specific knife was designed for trench warfare and is the only army issue knife / weapon outlawed by a global body as being too lethal! If you understand military strategy a weapon that kills is not the most ideal as once a body is dead it's dead - a weapon like this that you can stab in the soft belly with incapacitates the victim and they require 2-3 others to assist them - and the individuals cries of pain will attract others - that is an effective weapon. The damage / cut this weapon does is unique as it cannot be fixed / solved by a single surgeon or medic - it requires at least 2 often 3 medics / surgeons due to the twisting blade action into soft tissue. Appreciate the brutal efficiency of the Austrians.
What a wonderfully long text to show that you have no knowledge about history nor the capabilities to f this knife. News flash, they're shit. That triangular wound stitching myth is laughable
Dont want to be rude) but veins are not the same as arteries) you were showing a vein and blood flows relatively slow from it)
@SnapJelly That is not what the jagd dagger designers had in mind. It's a guard/sentry killer, those sharp spiral edges facilitate stabbing (penetrates more easily, because while in penetrates it also cuts). The base model was the rondell not the dagger. It's not a rounded dagger, it's a sharp rondell. The wound is the byproduct, not the specific goal
Why did they put rifling on a rondel?
I know people that have it but it's purely ornamental in other words people that like collecting knives,not actually using them.
But what if your sneaking around and silently taking out your enemy
Jelly, there actually are historical daggers like these that were used by the British during WW1 to pierce the thick German trench coats....but they were rectangular and didn't form a twisty... And were banned by the Geneva Convention since a stab with such a dagger is basically non-stitch-able...
I think that things like this, in a warfare setting, just would be overkill-they're already likely to die, but you have to be that guy who wants to not just kill the guy, but to let him bleed out painfully, if he wouldnt have died initially. If your going to attack someone, in a warfare setting, at least ket the poor guy either die, or recover, not put an irreparable hole in them.
Aeden Tharpe These are repairable and not any more dangerous than an ice pick
Yeah, but knife wounds are still eminently treatable compared with bullet wounding froma rifled, modern firearm. It's not even a contest, Chicago General stats put multiple stab wound victims as still eminently easier to save than someone shot in the torso with a .45 ACP handgun. By a factor of 4:1.
Getting stabbed in the chest is preferable to getting shot close range with your average handgun out there.
Also, livers can be stitched. Your liver is something that a surgeon can save. It's a ridiculously tough organ, and various gunshot wounding medels also suggest prompt surgery will save someone even with heavy gunshot wounding of the liver.
War is what sucks, this dagger seems practical for military use, however. If we want to settle all wars with fist fights or non-lethal weapons, that would be great! But as people have and do conduct warfare, as a weapon of war, I can't see the huge issue with tri-bladed knives being used militarily. "Because it's very hard to stop the bleeding." Well, yes, it's meant to kill the enemy... People aren't stabbing to wound. War is horrible, but if they're going to be fighting and killing one another, it seems like a legitimate tool to get your intended enemy to bleed out without indiscriminately affecting others.
This knife is a one trick pony. It's not good for bushcraft/survival or everyday cutting tasks. It's for stabbing people only.
It's a dive knife made to do as much damage to a marine predator as possible, if a shark attacks you while diving you could defend yourself with this, the wound cannot seal itself and will bleed profusely hopefully scaring the shark and turning it into a target for other sharks in the area
A machete to something half it’s size. The porpoise of the dagger is to stab not cut. It’s called using the right tool for the right job. This is why in most places it’s not legal to shoot large game with a small caliber gun, because there are much better options available. Use the tool that gives you the best possible results!!!!
I have a friend who keeps one of these in his car, he thinks it's great and super lethal... I hadn't seen this but tried to explain why it's just silly. It's basically something you would want on a spear or bayonet.
more pictures to keep viewers interested in video pls, especially when they are 10+min long!
dont get me wrong, you have really dapper hair and many people could gaze upon it for hours, but just a little tip.
Jagdkommando only has one purpose and that is to create a wound canal that is impossible for even the best doctor to close, which is why soldiers are forbidden to carry it according to the laws of war.
When I saw the design I thought it was designed for parachute soldiers - only as a stabbing weapon to make it hard to accidentally injure yourself jumping or landing.
Maybe it’s good as a troughing knife.
the Jagdkommando dagger is so good that the Geneva convention ruled it illegal to use in military combat the only other knife or blade that the Geneva convention gas band is the triangle bayonet
That is not why the Geneva conventions rule against it. Think about it. "So good" at killing would rule out a whole lot weapons.
Weapons designed to cause unnecessary suffering after a cinflict ends is what gets serrated or barbed bayonets banned.
But mostly it is marketing gimmicks.
The karambit dagger, or rondel dagger is a better choice.
The only flaw i saw in this knife is the o-ring in the sheath. Its made out of rubber, and rubber doesnt last long.
as far as i know this knife is not made to be very effective more to show machining skills. because its relatively difficult to make a shape like this with a normal milling machines
No it was designed for military purpose as a last resort option. You don't slash or cut with it at all. Its meant to stab, twist, then pull out. If you don't die from bleeding out on the spot there is no way to fully close the wound as you would be able to with a regular dagger. With a very sharp tip and how it gets duller the further you go down by time you twist and pull the blade out it also rips and pulls flesh or organs out. Not just a clean cut. This blade is very deadly if used how it was designed to be used. Granted a kitchen knife could get the job done but if you like it just properly train with it. Same goes for AR vs AK. It doesn't matter what you use if you're not trained and ready to use it you'll be at a disadvantage.
I just watched this "testing" video and there are some things that I noticed.
1. The knife is bad at penetration. The dude dude couldn't even stab through a soft cantaloupe. And it's logical, stabbing something with a screw is going have more resistance.
2. Because of the spiral blades the hand/wrist of the user TWISTS!!! Which means that you can injure your wrists during a fight. (This could be theoretically solved by making the blade be able to spin).
3. It loves getting stuck. (This could be improved if the blade would spin freely).
4. It protects the target from getting sliced. So yeah, it's very bad at cutting.
5. It looks top heavy and combined with all the above reasons, it makes handling very awkward which even shows in the video.
Here is the vid, which clearly shows the consumer demographic, and is present both in the video as well as the comment section:
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@SnapJelly About the whole quickdraw argument... I do follow your point, but I think I might have gotten a solution for that. What if you would wear your scabbard just as normal, but you would put the top of the scabbard inside a hollow ring which holds the scabbard in place as you draw the knife, but allows it to freely rotate inside of that ring. That would remove the entire twisting problem, wouldn't it? Maybe now I'm thinking of it, couldn't you even work with a ball-barring system like in fidget spinners? With the ball barring part inside the ring but attached to the scabbard. Those ball-barrings reduce friction a huge lot, making it perfectly possible to draw your knife and just have it spin freely afterwards. What's your opinion on this idea? Do you think it would work?
Anyhow, I greet you fellow traveler.
Is it designed to go through thick winter clothing?
Yeah a stabwound in the torso is pretty much dead or incapacitated. regardless of the blade unless its tiny.
thijsjong Definitely not a guaranteed death or incapacitating lol there's so much empty space and so many different things to hit in the torso with varying survivability
I'd disagree that knives are so devastating. I mean people get shot every day, but with prompt medical aid a surprisingly low number are fatal. Even without rapid aid it usually takes far longer than we would assume. And of course bullets are far more devastating than a knife ever will be in terms of damage dealt. Add to hearing stories from both people who have been stabbed and doctors treating (different patients') stab wounds, they're not terrible. Obviously something to avoid but don't plan on it killing if that's your goal.
With that said, I'd have to strongly agree that the knife has far worse tradeoffs. The knife largely seems to revolve around the idea "it will be harder for doctors to treat" but who really cares? By the time the victim reaches a doctor the attacker will be long gone. Rapid incapacitation or something to prevent a threat is what should really matter. Even then its only going to be annoying for the doctor and they might to be happy sure but its not going to be as devastating as people think. The patient is already at the hospital, the doctor has a steady stream of blood and the trauma center can keep someone alive with a far worse bleed for days if they really had to. So there really is a very limited increase in lethality here. And from my understanding depth is by far the strongest contribution to lethality for knives and daggers, this is obviously losing that depth in a massive way. To use this knife isn't helping anyone, its just being a dick frankly.
kinda missing the point as to why its the most deadly knife the wound cause is so severe that if a 1st world hospital had a incoming of 20 people who were injured by this knife statistically all of the would have a 60% chance of surviving while all other standard stab wound have 80-90% if not in critical organs obviously like the heart and brain
Edit: also the holes in the knife are specifically designed to have a substance like feces or a lethal drug of some sort smeared in them to deliver immediate infection or cause death shortly after through posion this knife is literally stab and forget if they dont passout from shock of the wound then choosing to continue fighting you will probably get them killed in the time they waste not getting medical attention.
The thing about deadly knives is it depends on the training of the handler. A karambit for example would be much more deadly in my hands than a pocket knife, because I have extensive training with a karambit. So the question then becomes, who has extensive training with Jagdkammando knives? The answer is little if any. So thus, the life is ineffective, and as said in the video, redundant because it’s cutting edge is severely at a disadvantage. In conclusion, if I were in a knife fight and someone pulled out a tri edged knife. I would laugh and kick their ass.
it and the cyclone blade are like the phlogistinator of knives. that is to say they do alot of damage, reek of tryhard, and are also impractical compared to the default. but despite this they are both loved "and loathed" by many. tho i will say the m48 cyclone blade witch is a bootleg budget version of the jagdkommando dagger is actuly useful more so than the more expensive jagkommando. as due to the weight of the handle you could grab it by the blade and use it as a mace if your wearing gloves. so with a cyclone blade you trade the ability to cut for more damage when stabing and blunt impact.
Great video, but I don't think the commenter was asking for historical context, I think they were saying they don't see a history lesson as being practical, like the dagger.
Also 9:00 hawt.
It’s just a cool looking dagger... The human body can take incredible amounts of damage and survive. Minor damage that might not appear serious can be be fatal. It’s not the knife, dagger or bullet. It’s more about location and luck. Life’s not a movie. There’s a reason why you hear about a person getting stabbed 50 time to death with a kitchen knife. Cause they were still struggling at the 49 times. And some people accidentally slice the right place, and die from a centimeter deep wound.
“It isn’t nessasery to do that much damage” but would you have a more pointy or sharper dagger in combat to do more damage?
Could you make a video about common lethal wounds in battlefields in history. I know how its not look like movies or video games not every single death looks epic and glorious. Have been anybody sequized by his friend while he running/falling/snagging?
Berker Göker Most common LETHAL wound on the battlefield is a gunshot to the heart or great vessels and has the highest mortality. Second would probably be gunshots elsewhere or concussion blast damage which could be internal hemorrhaging or ruptures which lead to death later. They're much more common nowadays since the use of aerial strikes and IEDs is on the rise. A really common non lethal injury are sprains and sometimes concussions since they can come from many many things. Falling, helmet shots, hit by stuff, concussion blast, etc. Scrapes and bruises too but those come simply from running around outside lol
thepurespartanify thanks mate
I've seen Adam celadin test their and it went through cinder block and even Kevlar. It's banned in warfare because it causes unnecessary suffering and it ties to what you said about getting stabbed. Also the m48 cyclone(can't spell what you call it so ill just say this since that's it also goes by) is like the raiper of daggers where it's good for thrusting but not slashing. Sure if you main marth is smash Bros, you can cause some damage with just the tip but that's hard to do.
It can stab throw kevlar but it would not really be used in a survival situation it's used for combat. And I really like the knife