If only you needed that part in like 2 months I could've made it :( I don't even get the new lathe for 2 weeks, but it's a fricken beast. It's an old colchester that can turn metal up to 16" in diam and its like 6 feet long. So for next time I should be able to help.
I'm looking to get some fun tools for personal projects, and was curious about getting a laythe. Any recommendations for something cheap and new-user friendly?
Open Rocket has problems with the aerodynamic model that creep in when you exceed mach 1. These come out of the 6DOF code that was adopted from the Cambridge Rocketry Simulator. It wont bother you too much with a mach 1.7 to 10km shot, but I would suggest you move to RASAERO for your bigger flights. Good luck and god speed!
I'll second this. RasAero has its problems but is the only of the publicly available simulators that can get a spaceshot approximately correct. For a short-burn solid rocket, it's probably good enough. Anything more complicated and you'd need something ITAR or something home-built (which can turn into something ITAR).
@@shockjumprelations There is a freely available 3DOF called Launch 2.2A, was developed by a Dutch Amateur rocketeer in the 90s, Its clunky to use but I have crossed checked it against high end 6DOF (ASTOS package) & simulations of known sounding rockets & its within 5%. I use it as an early stage design tool on all the companies rockets.
@@jamieanderson6786 seems like a neat program, haven't heard of it before actually! My team's rocket needs 6DOF and liquid prop for a proper analysis, which is why we built a homebrew sim. But for most HPR stuff it's not necessary.
@@shockjumprelations Yeah definitely understand the need for customised simulation tools, we have a number of custom developed in-house tools that look at different aspects of the trajectories that we use in tandem with Astos. But the Astos software is far outside the capability of an enthusiast to purchase.
Hopefully you found a machine shop to fit your needs. If you haven't yet, I would highly recommend KAD models and prototypes. they have a facility in California as well as in New England. I worked for them up until recently and I know that Brian does quality work. We ran stainless steel parts quite often.
Not so sure about getting ToT to fabricate the part, the misaligned letter stamping may throw the wheel out of balance lol. Also, give Elon a call about getting better mid-desert internet connectivity, I'm pretty sure he'd at least listen to a project like this :)
The FOV trick at 4:02 is so smart! Also, as a fellow later in life engineering enthusiast, I really enjoy watching your videos and they inspire me so much with my mechatronics projects! Glad to see you back and healthy! If you ever decide to do some sort of open-source 3D-printed design, I'd be happy to contribute!
Dude..... been watching and following bps space for abt 3 yrs and I barely understood less than a quarter of what you said but...I keep watching because it's really cool to see the rockets testing and launches even when they go wrong .... keep it up bro...ur going places... hopefully not the moon bc quite a few people have already been there.... probably somewhere much further and interesting than the moon.... May your winds be low and fly in blue skies....
From Miami here! Love your videos and inspired me to start up rocketry again at my University! We are participating in the SA cup 2022 and your videos are great sources for us to brain storm and see what’s possible!
You could include an SD card (or flash chip) in a small metal box with potting compound as a secondary data logger to act as a black box in case of an accident. The compound would not only help to keep the card mechanically stable during impact, but would also keep it insulated from fire long enough to get to the impact location and extinguish the fire. As an additional bonus, finding a bright orange 4x4x4cm box in the wreckage is a lot easier than finding a millimeter sized flash chip ;-)
Hi Joe, I hope you see this, but you are the person that inspired me to work hard and study on my own ( Currently learning Ordinary Differential Equations)
thank you for bringing the great hobby of high-power rocketry more into the spotlight. being a member of the tripoli rocketry organization and witnessing and being a part of level three flights I like the design of the rocket but I have learned that simpler is best. I would recommend using a smaller motor to avoid going to high speeds (higher chance of shred) and trying not to rush the build too much as well as probably not using your reaction wheel because it adds complexity and is not needed. also, I don't know if you will even be able to get it built and launched this year because of the pandemic as balls was canceled and LDRS was also canceled. best of luck, godspeed
The only advice is to do it as simple (dual backups etc) but nothing real exotic. Just get your level 3 certificate then you can add more and more experienced exotic things Nextflights will Have such fun. Just focus on getting certified then you can fly anything you want to of any size! You are doing a great job👍
It's amazing how a 2 meter tall rocket can achieve the same velocity as a 45m tall Starship prototype. I believe you'll succeed and get your L3 license. Good luck on the livestream, love your work!
Joe, we can make that part in SS. My company is located abroad (Colombia South America), but the shipping by DHL or FedEx is very fast. Let me know if we can help you with this awesome project!
A solid overview of a great design. Seeing this video, I have so many more questions to get into the details. I hope that this launch is a success, and that you keep learning, doing, and sharing your rocket project experiences.
I only discovered your channel after the launch, and that was awesome! Except the parachute bit. I noticed some points of improvenents in your avionics package. For a next attempt you could concider changing out your solid steel flywheel for a hollow tungsten or a tungsten alloy flywheel. This is a weighth savings because hollow cylinders have a moment of inertia that lies more on the outside than solid flywheels, meaning you can store more force for thesame amount of weight. Since you're size constricted, the flywheel can't be bigger. So making the outside of the flywheel heavyer and the inside hollow, and sizing your flywheel so that it stores just the amount of energy you need, it'll be lighter. You could take a (row of) SD cards, solder wires on them and suspend with glue in a small couple mm thick aluminium case. You could even have someone machine grooves in the case as some form of shock absorber. Doing this makes a little black box where you can store all your data on. flash memory is very shock resistant, and giving it a coating in a metal shell makes it practically bulletproof. You would need a decent array of SD cards if you want to store about 4 cameras worth of video footage and some other live data, but it can be done low cost and low weight. I think it would be worth it, because as the flight showed, real-time data can be tricky and the veheicle might not survive.
TOT, AvE, lots of people here with the skills and the gear, but ... two weeks is hairy for the most generous volunteer, as you know Joe, you smirked yourself, and said you’d be able to go without... but we all want to see you go _with_ , right?! Try NYC CNC - I think they are your best shot short of getting it done in a commercial fab place. Fingers crossed!
contact A.V.E, I know he had a milling machine he has specifically set up for their audience to use (though, it's been a while since I've watched him, so maybe he's changed his mind)
Thanks for making these videos I’m 10 years old but I have started my mini rocket company called “Triumph” I’m currently only making paper models and baking soda+vinegar rockets my most successful flight is 260 cm
It's really a lathe part, not a mill part. Interpolated cylinders are sort of okay if that's all you have the machine for - or if you've got a Kern lying around, I suppose - but turned parts will be more cylindrical. And you don't really need CNC for that part at all; manual operations would more than suffice.
Fantastically Awesome! I'd ditch the dummy-load duckie antennas, and make cut dipole elements out of copper foil tape on the outside of the airframe. Use SMA bulkheads through the frame to the inside, or use low-loss flexi/semi rigid or low-loss pre-terminated coax for internal connections. This will allow properly spaced/isolated elements for FAR better performance!
Don't neglect to test the snot out of your deployment system. Looks like you probably can't put redundant charges in the piston but there should be as much redundancy in the ignition as possible. Also, make sure your charge itself is 100% repeatable in size, shape, powder compaction, igniter location, etc. I've seen way to many shear pins jam and prevent deployment so think of having sheetmetal reinforcement around the holes so the pins can cut clean every time without wallowing out the holes which increases failure risk. Good luck out there!
my level 3 rocket will be using an N2501-motor and will fly to 20,000 feet ! It'll have a payload bay for 2-deployable cansats and the M-motor version will have airbrakes to test my control system ! Can't wait to see the progress of your L3 as well. Very inspiring.
good luck Joe! We are all rooting for ya! I could make that part for ya! But It would be hand machined and not CNC! A two week lead time is tough considering the current work load!
@BPS.space I think you could position your cameras on the rocket better. With the way you have the cameras on your rocket in your design you can not see directly to the side, but you sorta have redundant view of the ground and sky, however if you tilted both cameras 45 degrees you should be able to see from straight down to the horizon in one camera and from the horizon to straight up in the other camera. I look forward to the launch!
You and your work are honestly sooooO imprssive! Its so percise and weel done!! Congratulation and good luck for the future, I vill keep wachimg all your videos from swizerland!
Been a member of Tripoli for 25 years and I am still only L2. Finally designed my L3 rocket with OpenRocket, just need the funding to build and launch.
looks pretty wicked. with min dia. fuselage though with that spicy of a motor when you think you have enough layup holding the fins on might wanna add a couple more layers. It may be a good ideas to start with a tamer motor like a 2 grain M1560 or 3 grain M1060 or M520 long burn. I watched a build like this rip the fins off 5 times before it was successful. Im sure youll get this right though after watching your past videos. piston ejection looks sweet.
I hope I'll be awake if there will be a stream of the launch. I swear, I am as excited as the landing on mars right now. I want to see it. But up until then, good luck in setting up the entire project!
I'm excited to see Lumineer!! Have you considered evolving BPS into a company that makes sounding rockets similar to Black Brant for the government programs that research the upper atmosphere? I think that's the most realistic way to create a "Useful" rocket system that hits space with a practical use. I know you mentioned in your 2021 update that you wanted to turn BPS into an aerospace company that goes beyond hobby use, which would be amazing! A sounding rocket is essentially an even bigger Lumineer, but it doesn't go beyond your expertise!
Hi Joe! I think it is much better to use lattin instead of stainless steel for reaction wheel. It is slightly more dense, so you can have less mass for the same moment of inertia and you can machine it much easier (as far as I know)
i love how the coffee is still letting off steam so we know its fresh
Tea 🏆
Ahhh...
What a sweet mug
Plot twist: It's just boiling water
maybe just hot water for the look :D :D
If only you needed that part in like 2 months I could've made it :( I don't even get the new lathe for 2 weeks, but it's a fricken beast. It's an old colchester that can turn metal up to 16" in diam and its like 6 feet long. So for next time I should be able to help.
what are you planning with it!? love your vids
@@ms-fk6eb what AREN'T I planning with it, is the better question
@@thethoughtemporium then tell me, what's not on your list of things to make? :)
I'm looking to get some fun tools for personal projects, and was curious about getting a laythe. Any recommendations for something cheap and new-user friendly?
What about TOT he might be able to help, im sure he would love projects like this
When rocket lab announced neutron, I wasn't expecting bps space to make an upgrade aswell.
Pretty nice
@Luke skywalker The Starfleet commander so peter beck is illuminati confirmed 😂😂
Oh and sn10 landing and new Glenn reveal.
Open Rocket has problems with the aerodynamic model that creep in when you exceed mach 1. These come out of the 6DOF code that was adopted from the Cambridge Rocketry Simulator. It wont bother you too much with a mach 1.7 to 10km shot, but I would suggest you move to RASAERO for your bigger flights. Good luck and god speed!
I'll second this. RasAero has its problems but is the only of the publicly available simulators that can get a spaceshot approximately correct. For a short-burn solid rocket, it's probably good enough. Anything more complicated and you'd need something ITAR or something home-built (which can turn into something ITAR).
@@shockjumprelations There is a freely available 3DOF called Launch 2.2A, was developed by a Dutch Amateur rocketeer in the 90s, Its clunky to use but I have crossed checked it against high end 6DOF (ASTOS package) & simulations of known sounding rockets & its within 5%. I use it as an early stage design tool on all the companies rockets.
@@jamieanderson6786 seems like a neat program, haven't heard of it before actually! My team's rocket needs 6DOF and liquid prop for a proper analysis, which is why we built a homebrew sim. But for most HPR stuff it's not necessary.
@@shockjumprelations Yeah definitely understand the need for customised simulation tools, we have a number of custom developed in-house tools that look at different aspects of the trajectories that we use in tandem with Astos. But the Astos software is far outside the capability of an enthusiast to purchase.
Now I'm curious, what problems does OR has?
Hopefully you found a machine shop to fit your needs. If you haven't yet, I would highly recommend KAD models and prototypes. they have a facility in California as well as in New England. I worked for them up until recently and I know that Brian does quality work. We ran stainless steel parts quite often.
Call ThisOldTony about this part
Whyw hy wh y w h y??
Not so sure about getting ToT to fabricate the part, the misaligned letter stamping may throw the wheel out of balance lol.
Also, give Elon a call about getting better mid-desert internet connectivity, I'm pretty sure he'd at least listen to a project like this :)
I think you should go for it! This will be an amazing adventure through spaceflight for all of us.
Joe, whatever path you go and whatever break you take, I love to follow it here.
Stay healthy, stay safe
You should get "Stuff Made Here" to make the reaction wheel.
And also give you an automated hair cut...
Also a good choice, though something tells me he might over engineer it. 😂
@@BoagsBugger He would, I have first hand experience :D
The FOV trick at 4:02 is so smart!
Also, as a fellow later in life engineering enthusiast, I really enjoy watching your videos and they inspire me so much with my mechatronics projects! Glad to see you back and healthy!
If you ever decide to do some sort of open-source 3D-printed design, I'd be happy to contribute!
Interesting choice to post this right before starship launches haha
Hope so!
For a moment I thought Joe Rogan commented 😂
It'll even go higher than sn10 I think... it was either 9.5km or 12km
ayyy my donation from cooking with Joey B is paying off
Ask This Old Tony about the reaction wheel!
Dude..... been watching and following bps space for abt 3 yrs and I barely understood less than a quarter of what you said but...I keep watching because it's really cool to see the rockets testing and launches even when they go wrong .... keep it up bro...ur going places... hopefully not the moon bc quite a few people have already been there.... probably somewhere much further and interesting than the moon....
May your winds be low and fly in blue skies....
From Miami here! Love your videos and inspired me to start up rocketry again at my University! We are participating in the SA cup 2022 and your videos are great sources for us to brain storm and see what’s possible!
Try asking ThisOldTony, he might be interested and he has the stuff to do it
You could include an SD card (or flash chip) in a small metal box with potting compound as a secondary data logger to act as a black box in case of an accident. The compound would not only help to keep the card mechanically stable during impact, but would also keep it insulated from fire long enough to get to the impact location and extinguish the fire.
As an additional bonus, finding a bright orange 4x4x4cm box in the wreckage is a lot easier than finding a millimeter sized flash chip ;-)
I'd say for the reaction wheel, "this old Tony" is the perfect address
Hi Joe, I hope you see this, but you are the person that inspired me to work hard and study on my own ( Currently learning Ordinary Differential Equations)
I love the approach of "google is your friend, but I'll try to post some videos about it too" it feels super relaxed
thank you for bringing the great hobby of high-power rocketry more into the spotlight. being a member of the tripoli rocketry organization and witnessing and being a part of level three flights I like the design of the rocket but I have learned that simpler is best. I would recommend using a smaller motor to avoid going to high speeds (higher chance of shred) and trying not to rush the build too much as well as probably not using your reaction wheel because it adds complexity and is not needed. also, I don't know if you will even be able to get it built and launched this year because of the pandemic as balls was canceled and LDRS was also canceled.
best of luck,
godspeed
The only advice is to do it as simple (dual backups etc) but nothing real exotic. Just get your level 3 certificate then you can add more and more experienced exotic things Nextflights will Have such fun. Just focus on getting certified then you can fly anything you want to of any size!
You are doing a great job👍
It's amazing how a 2 meter tall rocket can achieve the same velocity as a 45m tall Starship prototype. I believe you'll succeed and get your L3 license. Good luck on the livestream, love your work!
He's BACK! :D
I play pokemon go everyday
You look like you're doing so much better. Glad to see you in a good space.
sn9 10km hop, BPS space 10km/Mach 1.7 L3 Rocket. I think I see a pattern
BPS in 2030: Sending a Model Rocket to Mars and Back
SN10 is scheduled to launch today as well
sn10 tho
Sn10 is done with flight
I remember my lvl3 launch! AT M1600R in min diameter 98mm rocket flew to 15,000’. Best of luck Joe!
Shout out from down under, you are doing some excellent work here mate! Can't wait to see you obtaining your Cert level 3.
oh man im getting goosebumps , A FRIGGIN 10 KM ROCKET, WAY TO GO JOE,
going as high as starship :p
@@vertex3243 yes bro
I love that this channel is going from homemade Falcon 9 model rockets to straight up real rockets
Wow! Thats so cool! Ill be flying my First l1/l2/l3 rocket this spring too!
Bravo! Soon the rise of Barnard 3.0... Crossing fingers and wishing you the best
Okay Joe, your outdoing yourself again. This will be awesome to watch!
thank you for being responsible and keeping the public AWAY!
Wow, it's the first channel of that I cant wait to see the new videos ! This thing is sick.
Joe, we can make that part in SS. My company is located abroad (Colombia South America), but the shipping by DHL or FedEx is very fast. Let me know if we can help you with this awesome project!
A solid overview of a great design. Seeing this video, I have so many more questions to get into the details. I hope that this launch is a success, and that you keep learning, doing, and sharing your rocket project experiences.
This video will blow up soon, the algorithm already picked it up
This makes my l3 plans look like child’s play lol! Goodluck and may the winds be ever in your favor!
Moving up in the world I see, good luck broseph
Person of unknown height is looking like a pretty good candidate for your first passenger on the spaceshot😳
Good luck with the build Joe!!!!
I love the ksp like progression that I will
be able to follow along with.
for the Live streaming, I'm pretty sure someone around that area should have a Starlink to be able to utilize ;)
So glad to see you back and posting again. Love the content, keep it up sir!!
Will add nicely to your launch cadence! really excited to follow her build! much love!
You've gotten a huge amount done in a short period of time.. hope you're not overstressing yourself!
A very small team can change into a famous comany and launch rockest to space, bps space is almost there
Awesome progress! So excited to see this thing launch!
I only discovered your channel after the launch, and that was awesome! Except the parachute bit. I noticed some points of improvenents in your avionics package. For a next attempt you could concider changing out your solid steel flywheel for a hollow tungsten or a tungsten alloy flywheel. This is a weighth savings because hollow cylinders have a moment of inertia that lies more on the outside than solid flywheels, meaning you can store more force for thesame amount of weight. Since you're size constricted, the flywheel can't be bigger. So making the outside of the flywheel heavyer and the inside hollow, and sizing your flywheel so that it stores just the amount of energy you need, it'll be lighter.
You could take a (row of) SD cards, solder wires on them and suspend with glue in a small couple mm thick aluminium case. You could even have someone machine grooves in the case as some form of shock absorber. Doing this makes a little black box where you can store all your data on. flash memory is very shock resistant, and giving it a coating in a metal shell makes it practically bulletproof. You would need a decent array of SD cards if you want to store about 4 cameras worth of video footage and some other live data, but it can be done low cost and low weight. I think it would be worth it, because as the flight showed, real-time data can be tricky and the veheicle might not survive.
I loved your projects before, but it's amazing that you are trying to make something semi-practical!
TOT, AvE, lots of people here with the skills and the gear, but ... two weeks is hairy for the most generous volunteer, as you know Joe, you smirked yourself, and said you’d be able to go without... but we all want to see you go _with_ , right?!
Try NYC CNC - I think they are your best shot short of getting it done in a commercial fab place.
Fingers crossed!
contact A.V.E, I know he had a milling machine he has specifically set up for their audience to use (though, it's been a while since I've watched him, so maybe he's changed his mind)
Thanks for making these videos I’m 10 years old but I have started my mini rocket company called “Triumph” I’m currently only making paper models and baking soda+vinegar rockets my most successful flight is 260 cm
This is so cool. That avionics and piston sled is slick!
Good luck on the launch!
The steam coming from that mug is so soothing.
Go for it! We will be here for you!
5 years time: "so I enjoyed going to space but we've done that now so I'm going to make a model rocket that goes to orbit"
Good Luck & Fingers crossed for your launch! And don't worry, I'll watch the launch from 9000km away via TH-cam :)
BABE WAKE UP NEW BPS VIDEO
Can't wait to see this project continue.
AvE has his town pump CNC. This part feels right in line with his objective for that machine.
It's really a lathe part, not a mill part. Interpolated cylinders are sort of okay if that's all you have the machine for - or if you've got a Kern lying around, I suppose - but turned parts will be more cylindrical. And you don't really need CNC for that part at all; manual operations would more than suffice.
Fantastically Awesome!
I'd ditch the dummy-load duckie antennas, and make cut dipole elements out of copper foil tape on the outside of the airframe. Use SMA bulkheads through the frame to the inside, or use low-loss flexi/semi rigid or low-loss pre-terminated coax for internal connections. This will allow properly spaced/isolated elements for FAR better performance!
So glad you're back bro!
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Joe you absolute mad lad, speed running astronautical development like a pro gamer
Best of luck Joe! High quality work as always!
That blue aluminum looks amazing
awesome!!! Cant wait to see it fly. Good luck with the certifiaction!!!
Don't neglect to test the snot out of your deployment system. Looks like you probably can't put redundant charges in the piston but there should be as much redundancy in the ignition as possible. Also, make sure your charge itself is 100% repeatable in size, shape, powder compaction, igniter location, etc. I've seen way to many shear pins jam and prevent deployment so think of having sheetmetal reinforcement around the holes so the pins can cut clean every time without wallowing out the holes which increases failure risk. Good luck out there!
my level 3 rocket will be using an N2501-motor and will fly to 20,000 feet ! It'll have a payload bay for 2-deployable cansats and the M-motor version will have airbrakes to test my control system ! Can't wait to see the progress of your L3 as well. Very inspiring.
daamn I like where things are going 😊
good luck man!!! I believe in you
good luck Joe! We are all rooting for ya! I could make that part for ya! But It would be hand machined and not CNC! A two week lead time is tough considering the current work load!
Good luck and can't wait to see how things develop!
@BPS.space I think you could position your cameras on the rocket better. With the way you have the cameras on your rocket in your design you can not see directly to the side, but you sorta have redundant view of the ground and sky, however if you tilted both cameras 45 degrees you should be able to see from straight down to the horizon in one camera and from the horizon to straight up in the other camera. I look forward to the launch!
I'm so excited to watch this journey!
You and your work are honestly sooooO imprssive! Its so percise and weel done!! Congratulation and good luck for the future, I vill keep wachimg all your videos from swizerland!
Good luck Joe! Really like your job!
I've always thought that there's no such thing as too many precautions- you proved me wrong! :-) Best of luck!
Been a member of Tripoli for 25 years and I am still only L2. Finally designed my L3 rocket with OpenRocket, just need the funding to build and launch.
Jesus I can not wait!
10 km in spring, 100km in fall, purposively landing a 100km rocket maybe next year?
wow , incredible set of plans.
so great to see this channel grow and see how professional all your steps are (y) great work. keep it on :) ;)
That's Amazing, can't wait to see this rocket launching!
looks pretty wicked. with min dia. fuselage though with that spicy of a motor when you think you have enough layup holding the fins on might wanna add a couple more layers. It may be a good ideas to start with a tamer motor like a 2 grain M1560 or 3 grain M1060 or M520 long burn. I watched a build like this rip the fins off 5 times before it was successful. Im sure youll get this right though after watching your past videos. piston ejection looks sweet.
I hope I'll be awake if there will be a stream of the launch. I swear, I am as excited as the landing on mars right now. I want to see it.
But up until then, good luck in setting up the entire project!
ok now your getting serious and im getting excited lol. cant wait for this upper level rocketry
Looks like it's going to be a kickass rocket.
I'm excited to see Lumineer!!
Have you considered evolving BPS into a company that makes sounding rockets similar to Black Brant for the government programs that research the upper atmosphere? I think that's the most realistic way to create a "Useful" rocket system that hits space with a practical use.
I know you mentioned in your 2021 update that you wanted to turn BPS into an aerospace company that goes beyond hobby use, which would be amazing! A sounding rocket is essentially an even bigger Lumineer, but it doesn't go beyond your expertise!
Good to have you back. Hope you are better now?
Very impressive work, so far! That's truly a beast of a rocket, and it will be exhilarating to watch on launch day.
This is so exciting! Awesome job Joe!
Definitely need to try and get a starlink dish for that rocket launch livestream!
It's 11:30 Pm here and looking at your Steaming coffee, i want to go make some coffee now. RIP Sleep.
Hi Joe! I think it is much better to use lattin instead of stainless steel for reaction wheel. It is slightly more dense, so you can have less mass for the same moment of inertia and you can machine it much easier (as far as I know)
I like the look of those tender descenders.
Thanks for another rocket
The flight will be five minutes long! Crikey! Can't wait.
best of luck on your lvl3!
Rocket Lab, Starship hop today, and you post this? Is this Christmas?!
Hopefully Joe fares better than Elon did.....
Well the situation about sn11 was quite foggy
Somebody get this man a starlink setup! This all looks awesome!