Expensive Cards Worth Buying | Commander Clash Podcast #53
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another thing that makes toxic deluge good is that you are often able to take advantage of making X something beneficial to you. The downside is when there is a 9/9 on the battle field in late game it is a dead card basically
I went to the site to order and there is only one purchase option. Is that for the regular, the stitched, the signatures? There is nothing to indicate which variant I'm ordering.
Please just play Metallica next time someone makes Fade Away work
I hope Richard can find it in his heart to rehire Richard after he got fired by Richard some day.
I don’t know man, Richard really had it coming after the way he treated Richard.
I mean, I felt a disturbance in The Firce, and I am not the Richard you are looking for.
He had a child with Richard's wife. I mean how much more do you need to fire somebody?
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my best answer to this question is fetchlands. it’s honestly like playing a different game when you basically never worry about mana fixing.
Printer go brrrrr :)
“We’ll link the podcast on MDFC’s.”
Narrator: “they did not, in fact, link the podcasts on MDFC’s.”
It's sad but understandable to see Richard take a step back. I loved hearing his thoughts and reasoning behind commander. That being said, I am excited to have Phil is a full time member of the podcast as well
We need a full-art lands tier list!
That's come up before but we can't do a visual art tier list on an audio podcast.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander I'm actually curious, what's the ratio of audio listeners to TH-cam watchers? It's probably harder to calculate because of various podcast services.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander that's fair, how about a secret lair tier list? Lol
Problem there is they keep printing increasingly beautiful full-art lands. Dominaria and Unfinity are both stunning, Kamigawa and Capenna were no slouches either.
@@EliyaSelhub true but you can say that about any tier list because they'll eventually print better board wipes, draw, ramp etc.
I tell every new player the same thing. Best thing to invest in is a good mana base. The value will always be there
Same. Good cards come and go but lands are forever
Love proxying powerful cards as a new player because most of the time you don't understand the power until you play it yourself. After one game you take it out and have binders full of staples but at least you didn't wait 1 year of saving for hating how the card plays.
I feel like spectral deluge keeps getting missed in blue boardwipes. 6 mana but has foretell and is an engulf the shore that doesnt hit your own board
As someone who doesn’t like cyclonic rift this feels like a much more balanced version!
Thanking you for letting me know this exists
When it comes down to it, the price of a card is based on what you want from Commander. I've been a long advocate that players should avoid proxying as much as possible since it adds a bit to the deck building process when you build with what you have.
From playing with groups over the years, I've come to accept proxies more and more since there's always a reason to proxy whether it be alters or testing. It's especially relevant in the current age of Magic where there's so much product and official alternate art promos that I've become numb to it.
When webcam Magic became a thing during the pandemic, I've turned to streaming Mox Table to make the board easily visible but it also reduced my desire to own physical cards. Now I bought into cEDH 5-6 years ago now and I own a good chunk of Reserve List staples so of course I was a bit biased towards proxies for a while, but nowadays I've come to accept that with the increase of new players, I just want them to enjoy the game first and worry about "investing" later down the line.
What’s Mox Table? I literally get zero results when I googled it.
@@tmdblya Oh my bad, I meant to type Moxfield. It's another deck building site but it features a playtest function. It basically allows you to goldfish any deck. It's all on the web browser so there's no need to download any additional software.
@@VRanger100 ah, okay. Thought it was some new thing for playing online! I recently switched from Archidekt to Moxfield for my deck building. Love the ability to give cards persistent tags that carry over from deck to deck.
"Ulamog, the Ceasless Hunger."
I picked this card up for ~$20 back in the day. (It's currenly ~$60)
As a player who really enjoys the Combat step, it fits into any deck I put together.
*Thanks for the Content* !
Good, another Eldrazi lover. I do the same thing with the Ugin, the Spirit Dragon I pulled out of my first pack ever. I also played standard through the second Invasion, so acquired the second set of Eldrazi Titans through store play. Now Rakdos, Lord of Riots leads their charge.
If budget is not a concern, I would recommend Boseiju who endures as card you should run. For any deck in green, its such a free include.
I would like to mention a two blue boardwipes that can be onesided.
Whelming Wave and Engulf the Shore. With some deckbuilding in mind, they can wreck your opponents and mostly leave your stuff alone.
nice to see Phil on the podcast!
The benefit of a 1 for 1 is ONLY in mana efficiency. You set them back more than you were set back by playing that removal spell (in this case a counter). Mana drain not only makes the opponent go down by the mana of their spell, you go up by that amount of mana as well. It is by far the most powerful counterspell ever printed, and 2nd place isn't even close.
I think the thing with Meathook Massacre in Commander is that enchantment staying on the battlefield is a little undervalued.
We think of it as a wrath effect. Which it is, but used solely as that it comes out pretty overpriced mana for power value.
But having the life loss and life gain enchantment sit on the battlefield is something that is rarely talked about. Where now opponents are less likely to attack you, and passively you’re gaining and damaging others completely for free.
The fact that it gets around indestructible isn't too bad either.
Having to kill a Meathook with a removal spell so that you don't die is a feelsbad moment!
That's the problem though - I want it in play for the ability, but it still has to wipe the board, and it's not great at that without being super late game. It just doesn't deal with big green stuff efficiently enough.
Granted, the sticking around part of it is really only relevant in an aristocrats deck, and in that case its 100% a staple. If you aren't aristocrats the cards mediocre to just bad
All the people saying not to buy it since its $$ was obviously going to crash seemed to have forgotten Blood Artist, and most other aristocrat payoffs being good money, despite being uncommon. This as a Mythic was ALWAYS going to be big $$$$$
Hope to see all five of each of you guys at once. Each of you had a valid outlook on cards and play styles so I don't think anyone would complain about it
Tomer's outlook gets less valid every time he mentions Fade Away or Flood Gate
@@hauntedmoose411 unless....
There's a huge lesson with tutor cards that even a long time player like me can stumble into. We get so used to casting them to dig for exactly the card that gets you out of whatever situation you're in and most often our win conditions. And then those games where if we had just one more land drop but have drawn bunk for turns, do not be ashamed to use your D Tutor for a dual land 😁
And if you are in any deck running blue and board wipes, and are sick of wasting them to a Teferi's Protection, jam a copy of Time and Tide in there, it'll hose them. 😂
For commander, for most decks, I value vamp over demonic for the efficiency specifically. You make the decisions at the last possible moment and cast your spell with all your mana (which informs what you tutor for). Most importantly, for less invested players, these are just better than all the cards you would run (outside of the pieces you are actively tutoring for, at that momment). I totally think that tutors are boring and often don't include them, and certainly not for supply/$ reasons (I have many of both). However, for a newer/less invested player these cards simply elevate your power level.
Alternate title: Expensive Cards Worth Proxying
I'm not against proxies but if your wanting to play at the power level these cards shine than you need to be willing to buy them at some point. Proxying for testing is great and smart. Proxying because your being cheap is almost disrespectful to the other players who put time and yes...money into their deck. At some point you have to pay to play. If you cannot afford HIGH POWER edh then don't play it.
@@Mexymackcounterpoint: no.
My playgroup had a £5/card limit initially, so my first non budget card was Yarok to helm my first proper edh deck, at £7. Then it was a good 18 months before i took some online advice to level up my 3c omnath deck and bought cycRift for a bargin price of £11.55.
When a couple of guys went in on a double masters box last year that opened up the group to splurge on whatever we liked. Ive since bought toxic deluge, ulamog, old gnawbone, New Jin, and most recently, bitterblossom and the ozolith (15/16quid each). The secret lairs also help justify the splurging too.
I agree with Tomer, fetches and shocks are not necessary. Play duals if you got em, of course, but all my 3+ color decks play just fine with conditional untapped lands.
Really happy that phil is there now, but I hoped it would give a bit more insight in the difference with the European market
I'd like to see Crim rotated out for Richard to make it a full casual and fun-focused podcast group
The card Sea Gate Restoration is the one I am most interested in. On the surface, this seems good. It is a big, splashy spell, that seems fun to play. After all, you draw a lot of cards. But, that being said, the cost (mana value) is very high for this effect. And, there are a few downsides. First, you have to already have a lot of cards in your hand for this to apply. If you don't, it is a 7 mana draw 3 or less spell (example), which is in fact TERRIBLE. I think for the effect, it is great. But, for the price, not so great. You would need to play this in a deck with LOTS of ramp, or LOTS of card draw to get the value, or BOTH. Don't get me wrong, this is a very cool spell, and I would love to have it, but it really does not have the blowout potential that other cards do. The upside, is that only YOU are drawing (unless an opponent can copy it). It is not a wheel effect. But, consider that Windfall is only 3 mana - that is really good. Even if other players get to draw, you'll still have mana to play another spell, whereas Sea Gate is really only good late game. So, it seems to be good in low-mid powered commander decks, but high powered I feel it isn't good.
Meathook Massacre is REALLY good, but again situational. Not sure if $50 is worth it. I play it in my Muldrotha deck, so if it gets destroyed or I sacrifice it, I can replay it for value. One comment in this video is that Meathook is $30 ABSOLUTELY worth it, but for $50 you can get so much better cards. Also, consider that card will rotate out, AND Midnight Hunt COLLECTOR Boxes are less than $150 on Amazon -- yeah this card is coming down sooner than later. In fact, I am thinking to sell mine, and just rebuy it when the price comes back down.
Finally, MANA DRAIN. Yes, it is the BEST counter spell in the format. This is BECAUSE you get mana when you play it. Late game, it is bonkers when people play high CMC stuff, or try to recast their commander with 2-4 cmc tax on it. Imagine countering Morohpon, which I did after a guy ramped and tried to cast it turn 4 in a recent game. They got blown out, meanwhile, I got 7 extra mana on turn 5. Needless to say I won that commander game. If you play mono-blue it is simply amazing, because mono blue lacks for ramp. Yes, Fierce Guardianship is very close to being an equal, but it does not ramp and costs nearly $100 bucks. Give me TWO mana drain for the same price and I am big threat to any player who tries to gamble thinking I don't have counter magic. If they simply KNOW I have Mana Drain in my deck, they are respecting the blue player with control magic.
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The thing about sea gate is that it’s attached to a land that can come in untapped. If this wasn’t attached to a land, it wouldn’t see play. It’s good because it doesn’t take up a non land slot in your deck. It might be played as a land 9/10 times which is fine but the times you actually go get cast it make it worth it
Expensive cards worth buying: none, just proxy.
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Go for it fam
Commander is about big powerfull effects to me. I would recommand things like Fiery Emancipation, Anointed Procession, Mind's Dilation, Lurking Predators, Rise of the Dark Realms, etc over efficient options that you were mostly recommanding.
A highly underrated Black board wipe is Nightmare Unmaking. Yes, it is 5 mana but it exiles all creatures (the modal condition has never mattered in games that I've played it).
I think the only expensive cards worth buying are shock lands, dual lands, fetch lands and the triomes.
I have 3 damnation, 2 toxic deluge and a decree of pain. I'd still run meathook. It's versatility is it's selling point. That's why it's 50$. If you have the money to spend on a meathook and want it, it's worth picking up. But I would also recommend to get the others first and get meathook only if you need it.
Fade away is an super underrated card because it’s not just to get rid of stuff but it can make sure your opponents tap out their mana. For 3 mana you can either wipe the board or have your opponents tap out their mana
I've tried Fade Away and taken it out because I've just found it not very effective because it's basically a punisher card. When I'm digging for a wrath, it's because I need the creatures gone. If I'm facing lethal, and I spend my turn making them tap or sacrifice some useless lands or treasures, it hasn't done the job at all.
Crim is the only one that really understands the power of meathook since he plays standard. there’s special feeling when you realize you can play it on zero and win the game
Explain
My favorite part about it is that it sticks around. So it's a board wipe with free value as long as it's on the board.
I think an odd omission is Doubling Season. There are a lot of tokens doublers and counters doublers, but the only other card that does both is Primal Vigor which has the significant downside of being symmetrical.
My thoughts on Mana Drain vs Fierce Guardianship, I do fully agree that it is a largely better investment than Fierce. At the end of the day Fierce does have more budget replacements. Just this year we got An Offer You Can't Refuse, and while 0 mana is better than 1 mana, 1 mana counters still got the job done for protection. Mana Drain though is ramp and there's just not many options for blue based ramp, and especially none that can also stop an opponent at the same time
Fierce does have a hoop to jump through and thus can be played around. I totally agree with you and actually think an offer you cannot refuse is surprisingly close in power level
For the ally-color fetches, consider the slow fetches from Mirage. They're fetches that enter tapped and using them doesn't cost life. And they're dirt cheap.
I might be with Tomer on Fade Away. The obvious best time to use it is when your opponents are tapped out so they can't save their stuff without sacrificing. Even if opponents have open mana, you can play Fade Away and opponents might pay into it, giving you more room to play out your gameplan without fear of removal or counters. Even if they don't pay mana, they might sac creatures or permanents so you still get some value
OBVIOUSLY it's not near as good as Cyclonic Rift or Toxic Deluge, but still good
I don't think it's a totally bad card and it has applications. It just does not do what you want it to do a lot of the time; it's a "value card" moreso than a "board wipe."
P,lay fade away with magus of the tabernacle
The fact that your opponents have a choice of what permanent to sacrifice, meaning they can save their most important creatures by sacrificing enchantments, mana rocks, lands, etc, is a HUGE knock against it. It's a good value card for sure, but I think it will rarely be a genuine board wipe
I've got to stump for Mana Drain. I actually don't think you should ascribe too much weight to it's use as a counterspell (although that's a *huge* upside). It's better to think of it as Blue's s-rank ramp spell; it's a ritual that scales with your opponents development level in a color that doesn't really ramp like that. You don't need to be too precious about what you're countering or whether your deck wants counters because the main effect is giving you a big mana turn.
A great alternative for Toxic Deluge in mono black or if you have Urborg is Mutilate and its like 1$.
Yeah I was stunned they didn't mention it. I feel like people tunnel vision on toxic deluge but there are alternatives both for budget and archetype.
I also have run life's finale for reanimate targets, but I would put mutilate in over even a damnation in any deck that is mono-black or can get Urborg easily.
Dead of Winter (2B: -1/-1 to non-snow creatures per snow permanent you control) can also do the job in any snow deck or mono-black deck that runs snow-covered swamps.
You should rename this to "cards worth proxying" 😂
Midnight hunt is secretly a pretty decent set. Great lands, fun sneaky creatures, and cheap to grab boxes right now.
For budget Toxic Deluge in mono black decks I usually run Mutilate
I think the key piece of criteria of a card being worth is to ask if the card's effect is available elsewhere. Meathook massacre is convenient because it combines 2 effects in 1, but both effects are achievable elsewhere
, so $50 is too steep w/o a competitive mindset
I've found that River's Rebuke is a valid replacement for Cyclonic Rift. Yes, it's at sorcery speed, but I rarely have 7 mana open in my opponents turn anyway, so usually I play Rift 'whenever I could play a sorcery'. And it's a super cheap (less than a dollar), so I can buy a couple. Bonus: it's 6 mana instead of 7. Disclaimer: most Commander games I play is 1vs1.
I feel like Tomer must have been reading Fade Away as sacrifice 'that' permanent and not a permanent XD
Crim in MJ thriller cosplay, dancing around tossing removal to the Billy Jean beat.
Moonwalks up to Gavin. Music drops out. Blood curdling scream: "DOCKSIDE?!!?!?!?"
Slaps Gavin with white gloved hand, so hard he is thrown back in time before Dockside was printed.
Gavin sprints to the printers and screams "I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE, THIS MUST BE STOPPED!"
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MY DREAM DOCKSIDE BAN ANNOUNCEMENT.
Meathoock massacre can randomly be a wincon in a sac deck even turns after cleaning up the board.
Good podcast lineup today
You don't need fetchlands for 5 color decks for sure, I built Ramos and Shrines and both of those decks run great without even a single fetch land. I'll admit Shrines is very heavy Green and White but the shrines themselves are an even split, and between the commander and a couple other cards in the deck want WUBRG and the deck doesn't really have any problems with producing the colors it needs when it needs them. Ramos is designed to produce WUBRG as many times as possible even without the commander on the field, but it functions on a lot of pain lands and Talismans. Both of those (as well as signets and other untapped dual lands) are the secret to a strong mana base for any color combo, and if you're in green you've got tons of budget mana options. Other lands that are good are the Lair lands, they bounce another land when they ETB but it it can be a tapped land that you bounce so you don't go down a mana that turn and that makes them not hurt, but they're all under a dollar in price.
TLDR: cheap dual lands, Lair Lannds, Signets, and Talismans.
New guy likes Oko, what a monster. He and Crim are gonna get along just fine!
I picked up a Dockside at the dip for $44. Probably the lowest I will see it for a long time so I am glad to now own one.
Meathook massacre is so good! It’s pricy for sure but in any aristocrats deck it’s amazing!
I find Planeswalkers just take the heat off of you in Commander. So if you can fit go ahead.
Hibernation and painters servant is a fun bounce spell when you have teferi’s protection:
If you're going wide with creatures and playing green, Growing Rites of Itlimoc.
You said you’re sticking to the $10+ range, but for 5 and below I’ve gotta go with Fire Covenant. Feels like it over-performs every time I cast it. Pay 10 life and 3 mana, blow up like 5 cards on my opponent’s side at instant speed.
I see Tomer forgot the Strixhaven clash where he cast fade away and Seth sacrificed a land to keep his Nyxbloom Ancient :P
When I'm building a deck that is going to run tutors and I don't have any of the good ones in the deck my main favorites are Dark Petition and Illicit Shipment. Illicit shipment is slow (takes 5 mana) but I've gotten so much value out of getting two cards instead of one. Illicit Shipment is far weaker than Demonic, Vampiric, Diabolic Intent, but I would run it over Grim or Diabolic
Perplexing test is an ok replacement to cyclonic rift. 2 mana cheaper, versatile, and can leave you with a heavy advantage
As a part-owner of an LGS, there's not much interest in Standard in our area, once every 4 or so months someone will ask, but every time we've tried to fire off a Standard event no one shows up.
I have a jund and a bant deck I play the 2 ally fetches for those colors and then the corresponding slow fetches
I don't even play Commander format. Ever. I just like listening to you guys argue about Magic cards.
Great show!
Crim gets it...my day starts at 12pm!
On the top of lesser-played black board wipes, you overlooked Mutilate and Dead of Winter.
2BB, creatures get -1/-1 for each swamp you control. This is only one mana more than Toxic Deluge and the swamp requirement to effectively wipe is either trivial in mono-black, or easily fixed with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
Less universally easy to use, but still something I'd run over toxic deluge in momo-black is Dead of Winter (assuming you have snow-covered swamps) which is 2B: -1/-1 to non-snow creatures per snow permanent you control for less than $0.50. Spend that money you saved on those nice snow-covered swamps ;)
Dead of winter is criminally underrated
1. Love seeing more of Phil
2. Toxicde-blue-ge
Sword of X and Y are powerful, flavorful, and scale well at different levels.
Gale’s redirection and fury storm is a heavily under rated combo.
Any of the “free if you control your commander” cycle, because they’re commander specific cards it’s going to be very hard to reprint basically only in a secret lair or commander legends set
Or just any of the 20 some odd commander decks that come out with each set every year like they did with jeskas will being in the dnd gruul deck but yeah I see wotc milking the value of those cards in another commander legends set or the next masters
If you play mana short, fade away works 100% of the time 40% of the time. If they tapped their artifacts before, of course.
The meatball massacre is basically bastion of remembrance with the upside of being a board wipe
Now that it comes to this constellation of the crew, it would be the best time for a "control or control it" week ( Control plays and stealing stuff) So that Tomer finally can be phyrexianized and gets to the dark side. XD
Phil missed the best part about Sea Gate Restoration. It can be pitched to Force.
Best boardwipes goes toxic deluge, cyclonic rift, farewell, Damn, and then maybe meathook.
You really shouldn't view it as a boardwipe since it costs so much mana to maybe wipe the board when there are cheaper and more guaranteed ways to wipe the board.
Opened a mana drain from the only 2x2 pack I’ve ever opened!!
River's Rebuke being a worse Cyclonic Rift for 1 less mana and still being a bomb says a lot about Cyclonic Rift.
{1R} Sorcery: create a treasure token for each artifact and enchantment your opponents control.
I feel like this example is a card they would never print because it is too strong and not red, yet it is basically dockside without the body, so no blink / flicker or unearth / reanimate shenanigans. That is very telling about just how over powered Dockside Extortionist really is.
Aww I felt the internet collectively face palm when tomer tried to sell fade away..
Do you think that Mausoleum Secrets/Scheming Symmetry don’t cut it from a budget perspective? Scheming is the Secret Rendezvous of tutors 😉
Crims hair is on point. I'm jealous 😭
phil in the beginning: now i cant listen BECAUSE IAM THE PODCAST
Mana Crypt comes to mind for sure, I don't think there's any other moderately expensive card that comes close in card quality, probably the best card you can add to most decks to make them work better, and it gets reprinted occasionally (Surely will be again) so there's ebbs in price here and there.
Meh, I sell it every time I pull it.
Card is strong but boring I’d rather play cards that fit my decks theme only run it in cedh
Demonic Tutor is the best tutor in the game. But, if you're playing Vaevictus Asmadi the Dire, Vampiric Tutor is 1 mana for a permanent. Same with Worldly and Imperial Seal.
A buddy of mine gave me 2 copies of smothering tithe back when it was 8$ because I never had the money to crack packs for that ravnica set and back then I was like ok, they're not super expensive, I don't feel too bad taking two copies of it for free from a friend but now it's so much more expensive, and yet it's still worth buying.
That is a nice friend
@@starmanda88 Yeah, well he got me into the game about 12 years ago, and he's always buying multiple boxes and a collectors box pretty much every standard set, a little less on premium sets, and he always throws me duplicates and the like that he doesn't need more than one of so I can use em if I want. I buy my own singles, secret lairs, some boosters here and there, but my spending is far more tame, at 20-40$ a month usually, as I very much live paycheck to paycheck. Even without all the generous gifts in terms of magic cards, he's just a hell of a good friend. But we mostly play 1v1 commander and his argument is always that he only needs one, despite me often protesting the free cards because I can't return the favor. He's given me a ton of cards over the years, from 50¢ commons to sliver legion back when it was a 100$+ before it got reprinted. Never met too many people that would do stuff like that. I've given him stuff I've pulled that he hasn't like a gemstone Caverns, Emiel the blessed, a couple different vraskas, but nothing in comparison to what he's thrown my way.
I think the only point that was missed on meathook is that it can also be targeted. It’s best in decks with bigger creatures so you can wipe your opponents and keep your own creatures.
Hehe Phil’s confused face after crim talks about life’s finale
I am also down on Meathook Massacre. I could buy Demonic tutor AND Toxic deluge and still have money left over for a blood artist...
Crim woke up at the crack of noon to be here
Playing with keruga, the macrosage as a companion, fade away seems really good there!
What about Reinterpret for a counter spell that gives you an advantage?
I liked the video but I usually like all the videos :D
fade away+ price of glory.
also fade away does work in blue stax.
This doesn't seem to be 'Expensive cards worth buying' it seems to be 'The best cards that are expensive' which is not the same thing.
Diabolic Intent can be as effective as Demonic Tutor in most black decks
I wanted a meathook massacre really badly for a kill'em all massacre themed deck but it's just too much.
New playmat looks dope, I ordered the one with the filigree signatures on it. The cartoon fish merch is adorable but not really my style, so this is a nice alternative.
Meathook Massacre....I’m not even sold on it in aristocrats, honestly. It’s basically Black Sun’s Zenith ($4) plus Zulaport Cutthroat ($0.25). The fact that it mimics both of those cards pretty well on one card is nice, but like....$10, maybe 20, feels like the right price. $50 is way too much.
yea and its up because standard is a thing, GoldSpan dragon was up around $40 until rotation in standard was announced and once it happens it should be under $20
Yeah I only have one because I’m a dirty counterfeiter lol. I wouldn’t even pay 20 for it honestly.
Now that Richard has taken a hiatus from both Commander Clash and the podcast, any chance he could stream some of his commander grinding so we can still get our fix of Richard content?
Let the man have his break
@@zuterwer1835 D:
Seems unlikely over the next few months. I'm sure he'll pop up as a guest on Commander Clash and streams, but he's mostly going to be doing the dad thing for a bit (while also keeping the website running).
Hilarious, I pulled a Meathook Massacre in a booster I snagged in the checkout line at Walmart.
After that I bought sooooo many Innistrad boosters 😂
I have weird luck though, I pulled a Kenrith yesterday in the token spot in a LOTR booster
Oddly enough i dont run Dockside in my Goblin tribal deck... mostly because of the price
I think of aether spouts as kind of a budget cyclonic rift but idk
I agree with the meathook massacre. Great card