@@ellerimkirli9543 Depends on your build. If you have one for show then yeah, it would be important. Me, I prefer function over style but you really cant fault that MSI BIOS. Which mobo do you have ? 🙂
@@uglybob7505 MSI z97 gaming 9, failing bios since a year (99 error code, pc wont boot without couple of reset) switched to aorus b450 pro, it is quite nice card and thinking of upgrading it to b550 pro or elite v2.
Question I have a msi b450 carbon / Ryzen 7 2700X along with a GeForce GTX 1060 6gb, what would you recomend me upgrade to, I was thinking of upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x3d, what is a good gpu to go with it sorry I have not been keeping up with computer tech ?
@@monkeytrident I have the 5800x3d on this board and it’s an amazing cpu I’m paired with a 4080, I’d say anything from a 4070 and up is gonna be great, never had an and gpu so can’t comment on them but I’ve heard they offer good value, selecting a gpu depends on resolution and what games you play and of course what budget you have 👍🏻
Nice to see this video. Just bought this motherboard used with 5 2600x bundled + some nice aftermarket cooler. I know the cpu is not top of the line but for a while it will be fine. Looking to get maybe 5 3600 or 5600. Here where I live 5 3600 is 88 euro. Ridiculous. Good to know that there is great upgrade path with this board let's say 5800x3d even :))
I haven't bought a full ATX motherboard since the 90's I think? I only buy micro atx boards. MSI is my choice of manufactures. All though I did buy two budget Gigabyte boards for my 10th and 12th gen Intel CPU's. both were right around $80.00 US off Amazon. No frill motherboards. One is an H610M S2H DDR4 and the other is a B560M DS3H V2 DDR4. Another great review Mike and Lady Kath. Take care all. Cheers
Really glad to see a “resent” review of a b450-board! I have the first gen Ryzen and my motherboard (b320) crashed a couple of weeks ago. The “new” b550 chipset doesn’t support first gen ryzen (angry for that!!) So I am looking for a b450. Not many new ones to buy tho. But now I know what to look for in the second hand market ❤️ so thanks!! I don’t really feel like I need to buy a newer cpu yet. So b450 it is!
Good to see a review on B450 but I do have one query. You showed the 8+4 eps ports but when would you need the extra 4pins and do most psu's have the extra cable? Interesting review and sounds a good deal for both parties lol Thanks for reviewing Mike and Kath👍
Lookd like a nice board, good trade! The mesh cover for the case's pcie opening should be there shortly. I received stuff ordered few days before my mistake...
With the pricing of new AM5 and Intel Z690/790chipsets ….. I’m surprised not all ….. or many feature features such as debugging LEDs, an additional cpu power input (1x 4-pin) and “Bios flashback”🧐😭 such as contained on this B450 and notably older chipset / motherboard 👍🥰
Surprised to see a review on this board considering its age, but I bought this exact board new last year at around this time when replacing my B350 HP Sunflower MB. It's a bit overkill for my Ryzen 2700 but I couldn't beat the price at the time for a board that included WIFI.
Hi Mike 🥰👋👋✊ and to Kath as well 🥰✊👋👋. JPWRLED …… JPWR is your 20/24-pin mother board and cpu supplementary power ….. so I “assume” JPWRLED maybe for diagnosing power delivery issues or power supply issues via attaching a 2-pin LED to light up like your motherboards DBUG LEDs 👍. Hopefully this may help in some way 😉😇
Indeed I can say, actually having this exact same motherboard with a 5700G that it is a great combination. The main thing is the Displayport HDMI out and the fact the APUs use PCI-E3 not 4 mean if you can get this board for the APUs then you would probably be wasting the money on anything more. I have a SATA PCI-E card so even though using an NVME drops the ports down to 4 from 6, that adds the ports back. The RGB looks great in my Dark Base Pro 900 r.2. I paid £58.32 exc VAT (£69.99 inc) new from ebuyer on 21/11/21 when it was on offer - no brainer. Yeah yeah I got my board and the new Intels came out soon after, but at the time I couldn't afford a gfx card and still can't quite yet though I can still put say a 6700XT in there maybe and it'll do fine. So right system, for the right time at the right price for me, I was lucky!
Ciao una domanda ,io possiedo una scheda madre B450 MSI gaming pro ,vorrei passare alla CPU rayzen 7 5800x ora possiedo 2600x rayzen 5,e compatibile questa scheda madre? Ho fatto anche l'aggiornamento al Bios su MSI la piu recende risale Luglio 2022,se la compro sarà compatibile? Ho bisognarebbe entrare nel BIOS dopo aver cambiato la CPU e fare altro?
Question I have a msi b450 carbon / Ryzen 7 2700X along with a GeForce GTX 1060 6gb, what would you recomend me upgrade to, I was thinking of upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x3d, what is a good gpu to go with it sorry I have not been keeping up with computer tech ?
the slight issue is that the VRM and also the PCIe bus speed is only gen3 so you miss out on the faster features of the newer CPU, it will be faster but not as fast as it could otherwise be with a more modern motherboard. But the Carbon is the best of the B450 boards so it won't be terrible
Great Video! Glad that you're still reviewing B450 boards. I will be purchasing this motherboard at a really good price next week and I need some advice. I will use my 2 year old NVME M.2 drive (XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 500GB) on this MOBO. Thing is, the XPG has its own cooling shield (which I've already applied). That said, the NVME cooling shield that will come out of the box looks really cool and will make the build more sleeker. Can I put it on top of the XPG cooling shield? Or would you suggest that I don't use it at all - I'm OK with that as well since the only reason I am going to use it is for aesthetics. Also, it would be great if you can put out a video soon of the build you made with this mobo 🙂
Hi, I have a question, I have a B450 MSI gaming pro motherboard, I would like to switch to the Rayzen 7 5800x CPU, now I have a 2600x Rayzen 5, is this motherboard compatible? I also updated the Bios on MSI, the most recent one dates back to July 2022, will it be compatible if I buy it? Should I go into the BIOS after changing the CPU and do something else?
@@SPAIDROK_YT can't find a model of that name sorry. There are a few MSI B450 Pro Carbon models, including the original the max and the wifi variants as well. what does the box say? I am sure you must be missing something out
I think this board, and to an extent its twin, the tomahawk black (they are the same board) has a downside, one I think its the unfortunate trade off when picking a bargain killer like this. only one m. 2 slot. I think for a full sized board, 2 slots is a must. I can do without a pcie x4 slot. I think 3 pcie slots are plenty enough. in other brands, there are boards with 2 slots, some in smaller form factor like matx, even mini itx. luckily vendors realised and now they include 2 m.2 slots in mainstream, gaming focused boards, starts with b550. but IMO b550 makes less sense, unless you have the need for pcie 4.0 and devices that can utilise it, you are better off with b450.
@@mikesunboxing well like this board, most b550 boards include 2 m.2 slots, as well as x470 boards. both are bad deals compared to b450, but if you need extra slot for m.2 storage, you either go buy a reputable m.2 pcie x4 adapter card which end up cost more combined than a b550/x470; or you could just buying those boards instead. when i bought my tomahawk max i dont have much choices, this board wasnt available, all i got are the sea of asus boards with cheaped out vrm, there were no second hand b550 boards and they cost 2x+ over this one, and x470 being nobody buys then, costs same as new. the was from a someone else, not a dealer, didnt have an io shield. but turned out great, i bought an original io shield later. i generally in the need for 2 m.2 expansion, now im hunting for good adapter cards. cheaper cards often have problem like dropping lanes. also some boards only have x2 lane on the bottom pcie slot which makes it almost undesirable for installing an ssd. on top of that, good cards tend to be bigger, which is bad for graphics card cooling as well. ps. i checked it later, this board wasnt available in my region to begin with. bummer, something to do with wifi whatnot.
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This Motherboard is not bad. But to be honest, I faced lots of problems with it. I use RYZEN 7 57OOG and RTX 3060 Ti on it. At first It couldn't even Recognised The CPU. After hours of research, The problem I found out was : Update the BIOS. But man, How would you update the BIOS when the board don't even recognise the CPU. And you can't even access the BIOS menu . I mean , YK, updating BIOS from the BIOS Configuration Menu ( MSI click BIOS 5 ) Sigh . Anyway at last I finally did updated the BIOS via USB and pressed that damn button (flash button) So yeah, My first impression on the board was not that great. Second thing. At some cases, my PC crashes!! Windows issues? No! I use Windows 10 pro , the highly optimised one. But I don't know why the pc crashes.... Specially whenever I try to screen record my gameplays , the PC crashes, ahhhhhhhh
you are using a PCIe gen 4 graphics card on a PCIe gen 3 motherboard and processor and the pcie gen 3 will only be x8 not x16 so you are going to need to tell the bios the GPU slot is PCIe 3 not auto or gen 4 to stop PCIe signalling issues and crashing
@@mikesunboxing hello good sir, I bought this motherboard 3yrs ago and today it decided to not boot into windows, everything spins and runs fine but no display, I think I have the black screen of death!
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Said it loads of times......I LOVE MSI mobos ! Their look, their BIOS interface and their features.....you really cant go wrong. Thanks Mike and Kath.
Same, currently have the MSI B550 Unify!👌
so appearance is more important than functionality, life span and stability?
@@ellerimkirli9543 Depends on your build. If you have one for show then yeah, it would be important. Me, I prefer function over style but you really cant fault that MSI BIOS. Which mobo do you have ? 🙂
@@uglybob7505 MSI z97 gaming 9, failing bios since a year (99 error code, pc wont boot without couple of reset) switched to aorus b450 pro, it is quite nice card and thinking of upgrading it to b550 pro or elite v2.
@@ellerimkirli9543 that's the one I want too when I upgrade to a 5700x
I am glad that I went for the B550 MPG Gaming Edge Wifi, absolutely cracking board and suits my 3600XT perfectly.
that is an awesome board, that is what i use in my editing rig
Had this board for nearly 2 years been rock solid and i always update to latest bios 👍👍
Thanks for sharing
Question I have a msi b450 carbon / Ryzen 7 2700X along with a GeForce GTX 1060 6gb, what would you recomend me upgrade to, I was thinking of upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x3d, what is a good gpu to go with it sorry I have not been keeping up with computer tech ?
@@monkeytrident I have the 5800x3d on this board and it’s an amazing cpu I’m paired with a 4080, I’d say anything from a 4070 and up is gonna be great, never had an and gpu so can’t comment on them but I’ve heard they offer good value, selecting a gpu depends on resolution and what games you play and of course what budget you have 👍🏻
@@TheJms1977 cheers which would you get first if you was me cpu or the gpu ?
Bought this mobo for like 100 quid new back in the days. Very future proof motherboard at the time. Still have it.
it was the peak of B450 boards no doubt
Built this into my system a couple of years ago. It's a great motherboard, I love it.
yep great board
Nice to see this video. Just bought this motherboard used with 5 2600x bundled + some nice aftermarket cooler. I know the cpu is not top of the line but for a while it will be fine. Looking to get maybe 5 3600 or 5600. Here where I live 5 3600 is 88 euro. Ridiculous. Good to know that there is great upgrade path with this board let's say 5800x3d even :))
I haven't bought a full ATX motherboard since the 90's I think? I only buy micro atx boards. MSI is my choice of manufactures. All though I did buy two budget Gigabyte boards for my 10th and 12th gen Intel CPU's. both were right around $80.00 US off Amazon. No frill motherboards. One is an H610M S2H DDR4 and the other is a B560M DS3H V2 DDR4. Another great review Mike and Lady Kath. Take care all. Cheers
might have to take another look at 10th and 11th gen, looks like some bargains to be had there at the moment
Thanks Mike! Someone just gave me one of these and this was a great overview.
Glad it was helpful!
have a non max version, great board, looks great, performs great and has been rock solid 3200mT with 4 16GB sticks.
very cool boards
I have come to appreciate MSI MB since we got one in the house. Great video thanks Mike.
yep msi make some of the best boards and bios
Really glad to see a “resent” review of a b450-board! I have the first gen Ryzen and my motherboard (b320) crashed a couple of weeks ago. The “new” b550 chipset doesn’t support first gen ryzen (angry for that!!) So I am looking for a b450. Not many new ones to buy tho. But now I know what to look for in the second hand market ❤️ so thanks!!
I don’t really feel like I need to buy a newer cpu yet. So b450 it is!
Good to see a review on B450 but I do have one query. You showed the 8+4 eps ports but when would you need the extra 4pins and do most psu's have the extra cable? Interesting review and sounds a good deal for both parties lol Thanks for reviewing Mike and Kath👍
the extra 4 pin might be useful for overclocking and high core count CPUs but rarely needed to be honest
Enjoyed the video. Could you tell how thick the thermal pads attached to heatsinks of VRM was?
sorry i don't have the board now, but if i was to take an educated quess i would say 1.5mm
Lookd like a nice board, good trade!
The mesh cover for the case's pcie opening should be there shortly. I received stuff ordered few days before my mistake...
They turned up today 👍
@@mikesunboxing 😁 I hope you'll find them useful!
With the pricing of new AM5 and Intel Z690/790chipsets ….. I’m surprised not all ….. or many feature features such as debugging LEDs, an additional cpu power input (1x 4-pin) and “Bios flashback”🧐😭 such as contained on this B450 and notably older chipset / motherboard 👍🥰
bloody decent bit of kit
Mike's Review is Worthy of a Support comment. Like & a share 🙂
thanks appreciate
@@mikesunboxing LEGEND
@@uglybob7505 Aw thanks Ugs!
one sold for 78 quid on ebay within the past day. max board, with the old AC box - dunno how or why but good deal
msx pro i had that actully still do running thre msi unify b 550 now
Surprised to see a review on this board considering its age, but I bought this exact board new last year at around this time when replacing my B350 HP Sunflower MB. It's a bit overkill for my Ryzen 2700 but I couldn't beat the price at the time for a board that included WIFI.
yeah classics don't get old, they mature :-)
Hi Mike 🥰👋👋✊ and to Kath as well 🥰✊👋👋. JPWRLED …… JPWR is your 20/24-pin mother board and cpu supplementary power ….. so I “assume” JPWRLED maybe for diagnosing power delivery issues or power supply issues via attaching a 2-pin LED to light up like your motherboards DBUG LEDs 👍. Hopefully this may help in some way 😉😇
Thanks for the info!
Indeed I can say, actually having this exact same motherboard with a 5700G that it is a great combination. The main thing is the Displayport HDMI out and the fact the APUs use PCI-E3 not 4 mean if you can get this board for the APUs then you would probably be wasting the money on anything more. I have a SATA PCI-E card so even though using an NVME drops the ports down to 4 from 6, that adds the ports back. The RGB looks great in my Dark Base Pro 900 r.2. I paid £58.32 exc VAT (£69.99 inc) new from ebuyer on 21/11/21 when it was on offer - no brainer. Yeah yeah I got my board and the new Intels came out soon after, but at the time I couldn't afford a gfx card and still can't quite yet though I can still put say a 6700XT in there maybe and it'll do fine. So right system, for the right time at the right price for me, I was lucky!
thanks for the comment
Ciao una domanda ,io possiedo una scheda madre B450 MSI gaming pro ,vorrei passare alla CPU rayzen 7 5800x ora possiedo 2600x rayzen 5,e compatibile questa scheda madre?
Ho fatto anche l'aggiornamento al Bios su MSI la piu recende risale Luglio 2022,se la compro sarà compatibile?
Ho bisognarebbe entrare nel BIOS dopo aver cambiato la CPU e fare altro?
Currently rocking a R7 3700x with this board, soon it's gonna be R7 5800x or R9 5900x. The VRMs on this mobo are surpringly great.
yep best b450 board ever made in my opinion
Great motherboard 😁. Thanks
No problem 👍
Question I have a msi b450 carbon / Ryzen 7 2700X along with a GeForce GTX 1060 6gb, what would you recomend me upgrade to, I was thinking of upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x3d, what is a good gpu to go with it sorry I have not been keeping up with computer tech ?
the slight issue is that the VRM and also the PCIe bus speed is only gen3 so you miss out on the faster features of the newer CPU, it will be faster but not as fast as it could otherwise be with a more modern motherboard. But the Carbon is the best of the B450 boards so it won't be terrible
Great Video! Glad that you're still reviewing B450 boards. I will be purchasing this motherboard at a really good price next week and I need some advice. I will use my 2 year old NVME M.2 drive (XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 500GB) on this MOBO. Thing is, the XPG has its own cooling shield (which I've already applied). That said, the NVME cooling shield that will come out of the box looks really cool and will make the build more sleeker. Can I put it on top of the XPG cooling shield? Or would you suggest that I don't use it at all - I'm OK with that as well since the only reason I am going to use it is for aesthetics. Also, it would be great if you can put out a video soon of the build you made with this mobo 🙂
you will need to replace the shield on the drive most likely or use less mounting pressure on the msi one
the video of the build is out and was part of the £600 RTX build i think
@@mikesunboxing thanks!
Got the same mobo for my Ryzen 5 3600. Pretty awesome.
Very nice!
dude i got a z690 and i7 12700k for 350usd and im set for years.
Nothing wrong w/having attachment to it Mike.
Sticking a coat hanger in the back... Does that actually work?
a little, it is just an antenna
Hi, Mike. I have to agree, this is still a good mobo. 👍
It sure is!
@@mikesunboxing I had the X470 version of the Pro Carbon and it was awesome.
@@OlettaLiano Its the kind of motherboard Id shave my nads for
@@uglybob7505 My X570 Unify is what I'd wax my whole body for. LOL
@@uglybob7505 Lol!
jpowerled Yes that is part of the demo connectors for retailers to display some of the RGB functions while the board is on display outside of the case
awesome thanks buddy
That's my board minus the MAX! YAY!
cool board
Long Live AMD !!
Hi, I have a question, I have a B450 MSI gaming pro motherboard, I would like to switch to the Rayzen 7 5800x CPU, now I have a 2600x Rayzen 5, is this motherboard compatible? I also updated the Bios on MSI, the most recent one dates back to July 2022, will it be compatible if I buy it? Should I go into the BIOS after changing the CPU and do something else?
it is compatible but the VRM might not be up to the job, depending on your workflow
also you need to tell me the exact model of the motherboard, the model you mentioned doesn't seem to exist
MSI gaming pro ac@@mikesunboxing
@@SPAIDROK_YT can't find a model of that name sorry. There are a few MSI B450 Pro Carbon models, including the original the max and the wifi variants as well.
what does the box say? I am sure you must be missing something out
B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
CPU support AMD Rayzen 1 and 2 generation@@mikesunboxing
I think this board, and to an extent its twin, the tomahawk black (they are the same board) has a downside, one I think its the unfortunate trade off when picking a bargain killer like this.
only one m. 2 slot. I think for a full sized board, 2 slots is a must. I can do without a pcie x4 slot. I think 3 pcie slots are plenty enough.
in other brands, there are boards with 2 slots, some in smaller form factor like matx, even mini itx.
luckily vendors realised and now they include 2 m.2 slots in mainstream, gaming focused boards, starts with b550. but IMO b550 makes less sense, unless you have the need for pcie 4.0 and devices that can utilise it, you are better off with b450.
it has two m.2 slots?
@@mikesunboxing well like this board, most b550 boards include 2 m.2 slots, as well as x470 boards. both are bad deals compared to b450, but if you need extra slot for m.2 storage, you either go buy a reputable m.2 pcie x4 adapter card which end up cost more combined than a b550/x470; or you could just buying those boards instead.
when i bought my tomahawk max i dont have much choices, this board wasnt available, all i got are the sea of asus boards with cheaped out vrm, there were no second hand b550 boards and they cost 2x+ over this one, and x470 being nobody buys then, costs same as new. the was from a someone else, not a dealer, didnt have an io shield. but turned out great, i bought an original io shield later.
i generally in the need for 2 m.2 expansion, now im hunting for good adapter cards. cheaper cards often have problem like dropping lanes. also some boards only have x2 lane on the bottom pcie slot which makes it almost undesirable for installing an ssd. on top of that, good cards tend to be bigger, which is bad for graphics card cooling as well.
ps. i checked it later, this board wasnt available in my region to begin with. bummer, something to do with wifi whatnot.
Motherboards can pick up dust just fine, all you have to do is mount it to a case and leave it lying down. Or mount it to a test bench. 🤣
Oh crap, I didn't realise the ssd cover wasn't in the box!
lol no worries sorted now, but if you find it, post it and i'll cover the costs
Hi Mike, im looking to put 9 thermalright rgb fans on this motherboard, would i need fan splitters?
yes i would get a fan / argb hub we did a review for an asus rog "looking" one for under £10
@@mikesunboxing That's great thank you so much for the fast reply I'm building my pc on the weekend so this is very useful
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Will this motherboard work good with a Ryzen 7 5700g ?
yes perfect
What's the best top of the line cpu I can put in it
I have a 5700xt GPU and a 2700x cpu. Looking to upgrade this year
5950
Is this Mobo support pcie 4.0 on first slot and on m.2 after bios update and CPU that support it?
no this board is only PCie gen3 at the most. PCIe gen4 devices will run at gen3 speeds
Also known as an MSI B450 MPG Gaming Carbon AC Max
they're actually different products albeit pretty much the same. i believe the ac has 16mb bios and the max has 32mb
Hey Mike I have an asus a320m-k prime mobo im planning to install nvme drive my motherboard has 4 sata port will 2 of them be disable it ?
don't think so
Read the manual Yoda; often using the secondary M.2 connection will disable one of the Sata ports and specificy which of them it is.
Does it supports pcie 4.0 gen nvme?
no sorry, it will physically fit but run at gen 3 speeds
Had the b450 gaming max WiFi. Hope that’s not the board I sent back? That one the cpu socket was pooched!
no this one is fine - thanks for asking though
Ela suporta Ryzen 9 5900 X ?
yes it does
This Motherboard is not bad.
But to be honest, I faced lots of problems with it.
I use RYZEN 7 57OOG and RTX 3060 Ti on it.
At first It couldn't even Recognised The CPU. After hours of research, The problem I found out was : Update the BIOS.
But man, How would you update the BIOS when the board don't even recognise the CPU. And you can't even access the BIOS menu . I mean , YK, updating BIOS from the BIOS Configuration Menu ( MSI click BIOS 5 )
Sigh . Anyway at last I finally did updated the BIOS via USB and pressed that damn button (flash button)
So yeah, My first impression on the board was not that great.
Second thing.
At some cases, my PC crashes!!
Windows issues? No! I use Windows 10 pro , the highly optimised one. But I don't know why the pc crashes....
Specially whenever I try to screen record my gameplays , the PC crashes, ahhhhhhhh
you are using a PCIe gen 4 graphics card on a PCIe gen 3 motherboard and processor and the pcie gen 3 will only be x8 not x16 so you are going to need to tell the bios the GPU slot is PCIe 3 not auto or gen 4 to stop PCIe signalling issues and crashing
i remember getting this for 76 pounds on scan
those were the days
@@mikesunboxing hello good sir, I bought this motherboard 3yrs ago and today it decided to not boot into windows, everything spins and runs fine but no display, I think I have the black screen of death!
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