I hope Matter will work out soon, but it really seems like some companys want to slow down the progress so that people have to use their ecosystem exclusively. Let's hope for the best.
Im still trying to rap my head around where matter fits in with my other smart home devices. I use HA and Home Kit and a smattering of everything protocol wise. Your getting started videos are always super easy to follow and Id love to see one.
No it isn't. It is a case of decades of minimal support, and a few Asian companies making products while individeals do a bunch of work to get things open and usable, and now that there is a market big corporations finally wake up and close things up to reap profits. Boycott matter and save home automation.
@@kentswanson2807 well it's not becoming less promising lol. I feel ya, I'm not investing in it anytime soon. Z-Wave has been doing this quite well for years imo.
Would love to see a video on how best to make a decent mesh. I have HomePod mini in several rooms around the house so in theory it would be best to join devices to those hubs. Do other hubs (such as Sky Connect) form part of the SAME mesh? Thanks for the video. It’s great to see some progress on matter.
it'd be nice to see Amazon get their butts in gear here, just because i use HA and my roommates use Alexa, but really we just need to see some matter devices hit the market now
Great video by the way. I had Matter working smoothly since ios 16 beta using the Matter device from HA's Matter workshop. My HA never worked with matter back then. Apple found the Espressif board right away. When Matter launched, I got the Hue Firmware and all my zigbee devices compatible with Hue, were instantly in Apple Home. Latter Matter devices paired with Apple Home, and Smartthings pretty easily. Last month with Amazon finally supporting IOS all my non bridged devices paired with Echoverse. Google's update this week for IOS finally accepted it all into Matter home. Matter worked flawlessly despite software problems with Controllers, cough Home Assistant. Waiting for Amazon and Smart Thigns to support Bridges and everything will be fine. Only thing left is Home Assistant to become a Matter Bridge itself.
"Only thing left is Home Assistant to become a Matter Bridge itself." - and why is this not yet happening? matter of certifications or simply the code in HA? if you know of course
Though it doesn't matter to me personally (I don't expect to multi-platform my devices), I was really happy to have an update on this subject and see the progress made with Matter. Glad that your good lady doesn't mind you sharing your big huge wand around in the name of progress :D Now get to bed (01:30?)!
This is realy awesome! Every time you said 'Hey' with such happiness, I got this image from the movie Hot Fuzz where Danny clapped his hands like the monkey at the fair and said 'Hey'...just awesome, and honestly so wholesome that you got such joy from the success. Well done.
Apple is driving this, far from resisting it… Apple HomeKit has been designed from the start as a local home automation, which is what Matter is about.
That zigbee contact sensor looked quite fast in the video. Even faster then BLE sensors advertising (I moved from zigbee to ble because of the zigbee pairing bs). I wonder if it uses local network for sharing of the stuff. But in the end seems like pretty much the only thing added is the sharing, so kinda like ble stuff
Alexa require matter devices to be added on an Android device and don't work with iOS and that was probably where your issue with adding matter devices came from.
This is great, still not entirely sure I understand the problem that Matter is trying to solve here (and if it is really needed when you already have Home Assistant managing all your devices).
Your videos are the best!!!! Could you make a video about how to connect Amazon echo and devices from alexa app to google home and google nest? Is there even a way?
Great video Lewis!. I couldn't realize whether aqara motion sensor exposes illuminance sensor through matter. It doesn't expose it through Homekit so It's not possible to use it in Home assistant through aqara hub (homekit integration) , but perhaps things changed with matter. Which entities are created?
Have you got any Thread based matter stuff yet? That's the next milestone we need to see working. Both through big smart home platforms and connected to the Skyconnect. Cheers Lewis.
Absolutely, that's what I'm looking forward to myself. Devices themselves using matter so we (hopefully) can just use them in HA without a mess of different integrations, sometimes depending on the cloud. If everyone can just adopt that standard it'll give a nice local option, at least
I don’t think it was a huge fail if you couldn’t make it work. Sharing that failure means those of us less knowledgeable won’t pull our hair out wondering why we can’t make it work. It alleviates the doubt in our own skills knowing the tool doesn’t work, rather than the user.
@@EverythingSmartHome Well, I appreciate it. Setting up automation for my school, I've spent a lot of time on your channel Recently. I like the way you present things and you've been on the money for a lot of things I want to do. Trying to get reliable presence detection lights automation with Frigate and a Coral TPU if you're looking for something new to work on 😅 static object detection is proving a bit of a git to get working.
Great video Lewis!! Importante question: il you set a virtual IR remote in switchbot hub 2 or in aqara hub, can you see that remote through matter home assistant / google home / HomeKit? Thank you very much!
@@EverythingSmartHome Thank you very much! I ask this because both Switchbot hub 2 and aqara hub can work as IR blasters (without external devices).. so it would be an alternative solution to a BroadLink!
Hey there! I wanted to talk about an issue with the new Nest Hub 7-inch second-generation touch screen system from Google. Personally, I believe in the added security of wiring devices with ethernet. Unfortunately, in their recent update, Google disabled a secret built-in feature on the device that allowed the USB service port to be used as an ethernet port for direct connection. Direct connect is important to me, especially for speaker systems, because it enables easier synchronization without constantly relying on the Wi-Fi signal. Previously, the Nest Hub could hold an IP address like other speakers that support USB to ethernet. However, with this update, the device drops the signal every 45 minutes to an hour, making it less reliable and more bug-prone. The main issue here is that Google disabled this feature, which only a small percentage of users knew about and utilized. It's disappointing that they removed such a useful feature, especially when many other Google speakers still support USB to ethernet. It would be great if you could shed light on this decision and the importance of having direct wired options, especially in scenarios like apartment buildings or large houses. By the way, for those who didn't know, there is a micro USB port hidden under the rubber flap on the Nest Hub, and third-party adapters are available to connect an ethernet cable to it. It's just a shame that Google decided to remove this feature. Thank you for bringing attention to this bad decision by Google
Hi Lewis! Can you please clarify something for me... If I wanted to connect my aqara devices to Home Assistant with Matter, do I need the Aqara hub? Or can they connect directly, like with ZigBee? 🤔
Just add the matter integration, I think. It works over IPv6, so for most people, just make sure it's on the one VLAN and it should all connect. I've not used it, so I could be wrong or oversimplified. But that's how I understand it works.
so question - maybe lame: if you connect devices from 1 vendor (i.e. Aquara) to its matter hub and share with another platform (i.e. HA) - does it work WITHOUT internet? Is it fully local? Or it still goes via Aquara cloud?
It depends, Matter over WiFi (like these devices are) can work without any additional hardware, but if you want to use a Matter over Thread device then you will need something like the SkyConnect
can we export our Home Assistant Devices through matter to google home? So we can control it with google assistant if that would be faster than the current google assistant integration?
@@EverythingSmartHome they've been pretty vocal that they don't intend to become a bridge exposing non matter devices to the matter network, which makes sense - because most products already support integration with that other platforms and we don't want to end up in the mess of having duplicate devices
@Andrew Jones-McGuire no, it doesn't make much sense. Home assistant is compatible with tons of devices (like zigbee or zwave) that will never support matters. I also feel that the integration could be much better than the current Google home integration of home assistant
I tried adding the Switchbot hub 2 via matter and since I have an iPhone, it pushes me to HomeKit. On HomeKit, it tells me I need a bridge or something of the sort, so I can’t add it until I have an apple device that works as one
this is not related with this particular video but one of my home assistant automation ( i only run 2 for 2 water heaters at the moment) which only has to power on and off a water heater via shelly smart switch when the excess power from my fronius solar inverter is too much and off when not enough. One automation works fine and the other also works fine for a few days but then at the end of the day for some reason doesn't switch off the when dark comes. I have no idea why is that. Recently i've added a shelly add-on with sensor to see water temperature as i already had one for the one that works fine. At first i thought that this sensor might cause this automation not to switch off because it was the same day i installed the add-on but it's not part of the automation and now it's been disabled for a few days anyway. Any idea where should i look for the bug ? P.S. sorry for the long story ....
Last time I tried, I had to reset everything on my skyconnect just to get zigbee working again. Not sure I’m ready to go down that rabbit hole again just yet.
Man home automation is complicated, getting tired of philips hue being restricted and matter seemed better but not sure which gateway would be good. i have iphone and ipad so homepod mini seemed good at first but then i realized there's no official way to control it from windows pc.
I could not understand what you were saying. Is your hub a switch bot or a switch butt? there is no link to it. When you said that it only controls curtains and blinds I stopped watching because I have far more things to connect.
I love that you benchmark Matter by doing real end-to-end tests. This is the way.
I just try to actually use it 🤷♂️
Thanks!
This is the way
This is the way
This is the way!
This is the way. I have spoken.
Great to see the matter progress. Thanks for the ongoing testing. Getting standards to work is hard.
Thanks for watching!
Pretty impressed how that's all working now - a massive step forward to have this degree of interoperability 🎉
For sure a big improvement over what it was
I hope Matter will work out soon, but it really seems like some companys want to slow down the progress so that people have to use their ecosystem exclusively. Let's hope for the best.
Im still trying to rap my head around where matter fits in with my other smart home devices. I use HA and Home Kit and a smattering of everything protocol wise. Your getting started videos are always super easy to follow and Id love to see one.
Well done, thanks for this! Matter is becoming more and more promising. I think in another 2 years, it will supercharge the smart home market!
No it isn't. It is a case of decades of minimal support, and a few Asian companies making products while individeals do a bunch of work to get things open and usable, and now that there is a market big corporations finally wake up and close things up to reap profits. Boycott matter and save home automation.
@@kentswanson2807 well it's not becoming less promising lol. I feel ya, I'm not investing in it anytime soon. Z-Wave has been doing this quite well for years imo.
@@manicmods agreed. What I need to learn is to keep my crabby old man opinions to myself, and use the energy for more constructive things.
Would love to see a video on how best to make a decent mesh. I have HomePod mini in several rooms around the house so in theory it would be best to join devices to those hubs. Do other hubs (such as Sky Connect) form part of the SAME mesh? Thanks for the video. It’s great to see some progress on matter.
Yes! This is starting to look better. Although...thats a lot of hubs... I thought we wanted less hubs. haha
Haha I agree, it's a lot of hubs!!
it'd be nice to see Amazon get their butts in gear here, just because i use HA and my roommates use Alexa, but really we just need to see some matter devices hit the market now
Great video by the way. I had Matter working smoothly since ios 16 beta using the Matter device from HA's Matter workshop. My HA never worked with matter back then. Apple found the Espressif board right away. When Matter launched, I got the Hue Firmware and all my zigbee devices compatible with Hue, were instantly in Apple Home. Latter Matter devices paired with Apple Home, and Smartthings pretty easily. Last month with Amazon finally supporting IOS all my non bridged devices paired with Echoverse. Google's update this week for IOS finally accepted it all into Matter home. Matter worked flawlessly despite software problems with Controllers, cough Home Assistant. Waiting for Amazon and Smart Thigns to support Bridges and everything will be fine. Only thing left is Home Assistant to become a Matter Bridge itself.
Nice, glad it worked smoothly for you at least!
"Only thing left is Home Assistant to become a Matter Bridge itself." - and why is this not yet happening? matter of certifications or simply the code in HA? if you know of course
Though it doesn't matter to me personally (I don't expect to multi-platform my devices), I was really happy to have an update on this subject and see the progress made with Matter.
Glad that your good lady doesn't mind you sharing your big huge wand around in the name of progress :D
Now get to bed (01:30?)!
😂 thanks and glad it was useful!
This is realy awesome! Every time you said 'Hey' with such happiness, I got this image from the movie Hot Fuzz where Danny clapped his hands like the monkey at the fair and said 'Hey'...just awesome, and honestly so wholesome that you got such joy from the success. Well done.
Can't wait to see Matter working beautifully!
Congratulations on making it into the what's new page of home assistant!
I REALLY hope ikea implement matter soon (it’s promised) so I can integrate the new hub with home assistant
Great videos as always! Your benchmarks are THE BEST!
Happy to see for once apple not resisting this...
I'd love to see a comparison of power draw between native hub and matter
Apple is driving this, far from resisting it… Apple HomeKit has been designed from the start as a local home automation, which is what Matter is about.
Thanks for this update. Progress being made, but there are still those that want us to live only in their ecosystems.
That zigbee contact sensor looked quite fast in the video. Even faster then BLE sensors advertising (I moved from zigbee to ble because of the zigbee pairing bs). I wonder if it uses local network for sharing of the stuff. But in the end seems like pretty much the only thing added is the sharing, so kinda like ble stuff
Alexa require matter devices to be added on an Android device and don't work with iOS and that was probably where your issue with adding matter devices came from.
Great video. Glad that you are making progress though I think I will stick with good old Zigbee at the moment despite the drawbacks haha
This is great, still not entirely sure I understand the problem that Matter is trying to solve here (and if it is really needed when you already have Home Assistant managing all your devices).
If you're a Home Assistant user then for sure I think it's less of an important feature at the moment
Your videos are the best!!!! Could you make a video about how to connect Amazon echo and devices from alexa app to google home and google nest? Is there even a way?
Another great video mate!
I would be interested to see this with skyconnect and/or Sonoff ZBDongle-E. Would they connect with the devices directly or would a hub be needed too?
Great video Lewis!. I couldn't realize whether aqara motion sensor exposes illuminance sensor through matter. It doesn't expose it through Homekit so It's not possible to use it in Home assistant through aqara hub (homekit integration) , but perhaps things changed with matter. Which entities are created?
Excellent video Lewis! Which dongle are you using for HASS? Is it the SkyConnect dongle or are you using the Conbee?
Thanks! I use the SkyConnect!
Have you got any Thread based matter stuff yet? That's the next milestone we need to see working. Both through big smart home platforms and connected to the Skyconnect. Cheers Lewis.
Absolutely, that's what I'm looking forward to myself. Devices themselves using matter so we (hopefully) can just use them in HA without a mess of different integrations, sometimes depending on the cloud. If everyone can just adopt that standard it'll give a nice local option, at least
I don’t think it was a huge fail if you couldn’t make it work. Sharing that failure means those of us less knowledgeable won’t pull our hair out wondering why we can’t make it work. It alleviates the doubt in our own skills knowing the tool doesn’t work, rather than the user.
Appreciate it!
Heck yeah, thanks Lewis! 😊
Thanks Jamie! 🙏🏻
Would you be able to add the devices to HomeKit from another ecosystem, as you showed, but without a HomePod mini?
Can you do a video on how Matter devices connects with Lutron switches/shade controllers? Is that possible?
like a kid on christmas morning. :)
Are you really doing all this at 1am？？！ That's dedication.
Indeed, bit of a late one! A few weeks ago it was 4am 😂
@@EverythingSmartHome Well, I appreciate it. Setting up automation for my school, I've spent a lot of time on your channel Recently.
I like the way you present things and you've been on the money for a lot of things I want to do.
Trying to get reliable presence detection lights automation with Frigate and a Coral TPU if you're looking for something new to work on 😅 static object detection is proving a bit of a git to get working.
Great video Lewis!! Importante question: il you set a virtual IR remote in switchbot hub 2 or in aqara hub, can you see that remote through matter home assistant / google home / HomeKit? Thank you very much!
I would imagine it won't work as I'm not sure Matter would support that device type yet but can test it later and let you know
@@EverythingSmartHome Thank you very much! I ask this because both Switchbot hub 2 and aqara hub can work as IR blasters (without external devices).. so it would be an alternative solution to a BroadLink!
Hey there! I wanted to talk about an issue with the new Nest Hub 7-inch second-generation touch screen system from Google. Personally, I believe in the added security of wiring devices with ethernet. Unfortunately, in their recent update, Google disabled a secret built-in feature on the device that allowed the USB service port to be used as an ethernet port for direct connection.
Direct connect is important to me, especially for speaker systems, because it enables easier synchronization without constantly relying on the Wi-Fi signal. Previously, the Nest Hub could hold an IP address like other speakers that support USB to ethernet. However, with this update, the device drops the signal every 45 minutes to an hour, making it less reliable and more bug-prone.
The main issue here is that Google disabled this feature, which only a small percentage of users knew about and utilized. It's disappointing that they removed such a useful feature, especially when many other Google speakers still support USB to ethernet. It would be great if you could shed light on this decision and the importance of having direct wired options, especially in scenarios like apartment buildings or large houses.
By the way, for those who didn't know, there is a micro USB port hidden under the rubber flap on the Nest Hub, and third-party adapters are available to connect an ethernet cable to it. It's just a shame that Google decided to remove this feature. Thank you for bringing attention to this bad decision by Google
Always sucks when they remove something you are using 🥲
Hi Lewis!
Can you please clarify something for me...
If I wanted to connect my aqara devices to Home Assistant with Matter, do I need the Aqara hub? Or can they connect directly, like with ZigBee? 🤔
How do you have the space for an XL Wand and a big huge wand?? Seems it would be a difficult fit.
Thanks for showing your XL and Big Huge Wand. 😅☺
Anytime 😂
How do all of these things connect to HA server? Is there any setup on the server side or a Matter dongle?
Ya I am wondering this also.
Just add the matter integration, I think. It works over IPv6, so for most people, just make sure it's on the one VLAN and it should all connect.
I've not used it, so I could be wrong or oversimplified. But that's how I understand it works.
So Matter is fully functional now and I can finally rebuild my smart home setup?
Have you tried manually twisting the curtain rod and checking how long the status update takes?
As soon as you move the curtain drivers (both Aqara and SwitchBot) they auto kick in and complete the movement
Will you do an update on how is going??
so question - maybe lame: if you connect devices from 1 vendor (i.e. Aquara) to its matter hub and share with another platform (i.e. HA) - does it work WITHOUT internet? Is it fully local? Or it still goes via Aquara cloud?
Would love to see a video on which matter devices are available on the market today
Would be a very short video I think 😂
So how do I know if my homekit hubs are using Matter 1.1 ?
Thanks
Cheers!
How do you get Matter to work on home assistant? Is there a specific interface or USB stick you are using to enable this?
It depends, Matter over WiFi (like these devices are) can work without any additional hardware, but if you want to use a Matter over Thread device then you will need something like the SkyConnect
can we export our Home Assistant Devices through matter to google home? So we can control it with google assistant if that would be faster than the current google assistant integration?
Not currently but it may be on the roadmap for the future, though not sure if this applies to non matter devices or not...time will tell!
@@EverythingSmartHome they've been pretty vocal that they don't intend to become a bridge exposing non matter devices to the matter network, which makes sense - because most products already support integration with that other platforms and we don't want to end up in the mess of having duplicate devices
@Andrew Jones-McGuire no, it doesn't make much sense. Home assistant is compatible with tons of devices (like zigbee or zwave) that will never support matters.
I also feel that the integration could be much better than the current Google home integration of home assistant
I tried adding the Switchbot hub 2 via matter and since I have an iPhone, it pushes me to HomeKit. On HomeKit, it tells me I need a bridge or something of the sort, so I can’t add it until I have an apple device that works as one
this is not related with this particular video but one of my home assistant automation ( i only run 2 for 2 water heaters at the moment) which only has to power on and off a water heater via shelly smart switch when the excess power from my fronius solar inverter is too much and off when not enough. One automation works fine and the other also works fine for a few days but then at the end of the day for some reason doesn't switch off the when dark comes. I have no idea why is that. Recently i've added a shelly add-on with sensor to see water temperature as i already had one for the one that works fine. At first i thought that this sensor might cause this automation not to switch off because it was the same day i installed the add-on but it's not part of the automation and now it's been disabled for a few days anyway. Any idea where should i look for the bug ?
P.S. sorry for the long story ....
Tasmota works the best on Matter, no hub required ;)
I'm definitely interested in testing it out when I can! 😅
@@EverythingSmartHome Available right now ;)
Can you expose non matter entities from home assistant to for example homekit or do all the devices involved need to be matter compatible?
Not currently unfortunately
Last time I tried, I had to reset everything on my skyconnect just to get zigbee working again.
Not sure I’m ready to go down that rabbit hole again just yet.
The multi pan feature is alpha/beta and definitely has some bugs! This wasn't that though
this is mad, thanks for the video
Thanks!
Version 1.0 integration was mostly as one would expect with a version 1.0.
I'll wait until everything is working and you have camera support, of course I'll probably have to replace everything I have.
Does Smart Life work with Matter?
Not sure sorry I don't use Tuya
My ZigBee gateway just died, what new ZigBee/Matter hub should I replace it with? Thanks!
SkyConnect? 😅
@@EverythingSmartHome Hard pass on that! I don't pay TVL and haven't for well over 12 years, I'm not starting now!
Habitat also now has Matter integration. Can you test?
Don't have a Hubitat hub unfortunately!
Whats your max deadlift?
I've done 270kg before. That's probably my safe limit
Works once, says: working pretty reliably. This is smart home in 2023 apparently.
In the context of the previous video, clearly.
I didn't see you doing any updates
Devices updated before the video started, wasn't really interesting to include
@@EverythingSmartHome ah okay I understand. I was just curious if all of the devices had the update available.
Both the Aqara hub M2 and SwitchBot hub have updated related to the beta firmware of Matter yes!
Matter seems not helpful for HA since HA can integrate devices of different brands and achieve local control alreday.
is this a gen 2 of the google home? because I think gen 1 don't support matter
Gen 2 yeah
Can I share Smartthings to HomeKit?
Man home automation is complicated, getting tired of philips hue being restricted and matter seemed better but not sure which gateway would be good.
i have iphone and ipad so homepod mini seemed good at first but then i realized there's no official way to control it from windows pc.
Now if only thread devices would work properly in home assistant and not go unavailable every single day…
13:42 the middle one didn’t work in last try :)
How do you produce this stuff at 1am :)
Haha it's the only time in my schedule 🥲 least it wasn't 4am like a few weeks agos video 😂
Dude you're getting absolutely ripped
So does it matter now? 😂
I’m looking at the vid right now, trying to be first post 😂
You were close... 🥈
Smartthinngs and Alexa still doesn't support Matter Bridges, only matter devices...
Indeed, that was my guess during the video :)
Heyyy! Nicee! Sick!
😂
Cool 😀
Thanks! 🙏🏻
Nice :)
No hue Bridge?
Real shame that the retail (mainstream) Matter version of the firmware has been delayed for Hue.
I could not understand what you were saying. Is your hub a switch bot or a switch butt? there is no link to it. When you said that it only controls curtains and blinds I stopped watching because I have far more things to connect.
❤❤❤
Anyway Zigbee is the best and i see 0 reasons to switch or use MATTER...yet another untested soon to be closed project by google.
10 months since this video, and honestly, it works, but I’ve found (at least with matter over thread) it’s absolutely horribly unreliable for me
That lip is so hairy! I can’t concentrate on what you’re talking about 😂
Does this really matter ? 😁🤪
first jeje
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nice hostile shirt
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First ;)
So close, yet so far 🥉
@@EverythingSmartHome LOL I Didn't see anyone at first :P damm you internet
first
Dude. Go to bed
For smartthings make sure your switchbot things are cloud enabled, else st will not find them