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Im not sure if anyone has started working on this but we might need a definitive list of all the PS5 Pro "Enhanced" games for which ones are only using regular PSR & which ones are using PSSR.
It's an easy mistake to make with all of these upscalers, friend! I believe they use native 4K (with some dynamic res) in the 30 FPS mode and checkerboarding + Guerrilla's own temporal upscaler in the performance/balanced modes on OG PS5.
@@eruannster there's a video of devs saying they didn't even want to keep 30hz mode but they didn't want to take choice away. All it does is keep it at native 4k. The performance pro mode is 1940p something then upscaled to 2160p
Playing this on my ps5 pro on my lg cx tv its a night snd dsy difference for me in person. Watching this in my iphone its hard to spot the difference. Looks so clean and smooth and incredibly sharp in person, the textures really pop, and its amazing having virtually no shimmering, this game is to gorgeous
There is a difference. I was blown away on how sharp and crisp the game looks on my Pro compared to the base model. I'm not sure why the context creator didn't see it 🤔🤔🤔
It's strange to say you dont see much of a difference when I can even see it while watching on mobile. I love this game and turned it on my ps5 pro and was blown away that its even more amazing than it already was. The textures and sharpness are definitely more noticable especially with all the fauna you see while youre playing. Its not "night and day" of course but I can still see a noticable difference. It's not worth it for everyone of course but I hate the rhetoric that its the same image quality as base PS5 because it clearly is not!
It's not the same, but unless you have an amazing TV you're not gonna see it. I'm still plenty happy with my PS5, and most of the games I play are classics and Atlus games, which aren't known for their fidelity.
@St4rTr3v1Ut10n I would definitely cosign that. An "amazing" TV should precede the purchase of a PS5 Pro without a doubt. (VRR, 4K 120hz capability, high nit count etc..) But those features would benefit a base PS5 too.
@@DanielLopez-nm3tv They definitely do. I had a 65" 4k TV from 2016, upgraded to something with HDMI2.1 and all the features that come with it, it was like playing an actual next-gen console.
@@TheT0nedude evidently you haven't watched the DF video, because if you did, you would've known that Horizon DOESN'T use PSSR, they use a custom TAA reconstruction made by the devs themselves unique to their engine, and the reason DF said it's the best image quality is because it doesn't have the image flicker instability of PSSR
You tend to get so many things wrong mate. For a start the PS5 Pro is using a form of TSSR in Horizon games and the PS5 does not use FSR at all in any of it’s modes either. As far I am aware no first party PS5 titles have ever used FSR.
@@Deccani Where did you hear this info? I only know of PS4 Pro games use checkerboard rendering and they can of course work on PS5 but the new games on PS5 are using other solutions.
Reason why the performance mode runs at a lower frame rate on the pro is because they're using higher settings compared to the performance mode on the base ps5, plus a way better TAA, idk what they're using but omg the difference is huge when it comes to fine detail like grass etc etc the new TAA solution is so stable and sharp you can't even see any shimmer, it's really impressive, but yeah we lose some frames haha
@@stevemuzak8526let people have fun with their console lol. You won’t see the difference on TH-cam, and since you can’t afford one, just accept what others are telling you. The PRO is making a HUGE difference in some games. It’s way better than any console now, period
You forgot to compare picture quality of PS5 Pro performance mode vs picture quality of PS5 quality mode. That is the comparison most people are interested in. What I want to see is if that I can run at 60fps with the same picture quality
The difference in the two systems is not like the Before and After weight lost pictures. More like Before and Before without the After picture. Not a huge result of changes in appearance.
Maybe I am not well informed but, shouldn't you have compared the quality mode of the ps5 pro with the performance mode of the ps5 instead, to actually see the difference?
@@SelectiveSocial401 that wasn't the sell though. The sell was the Pro performance mode should have the same or better visual quality than ps5 quality mode, so using the pro perf mode here makes sense. Not to mention the pro perf has less fps than ps5, which goes against the pro sell of "same perf at better visual quality". in conclusion you got less fps at maybe slightly better image, if we use this game as example
@@Deccani if it was useless, they wouldn't have put it into the game, stop believing what community managers say about games made by dozens of engineers that you don't hear from
Maybe it's running at higher res now and since ps5 pro us using same cpu, the ps5 pro has used all its power for resolution and has little left for fps
I tested it myself, for me the biggest difference is actually in picture quality/ anti-aliasing. The base PS5 version of the remaster is super sharp, but to be honest it is too grainy, too aliased for me. Don't get me wrong - there is no strong shimmering or anything like that, but aliasing on trees (especially on the branches) is kinda annoying and picture is grainy in general. I personally prefer much softer image, with strong AA of good quality. And this PS5 Pro delivers in this game.
DF and other channels said this was the best picture quality they've seen in a console game, not so much resolution improvement, but picture stability and detail resolve. Also said it's very difficult to show that in YT video, compression takes a lot of that away. Do you agree?
@@claudiovic88 That's right! That was exactly my impression and thought when I played "Horizon Zero Dawn - Remaster" for a few hours - on the >>PS5-No-Pro
Have you ever heard the term Shill before??…Have you not noticed how much DF have been pushing SONY PRO in the buildup before sales 😂..It’s called marketing!! The proof is in the pudding as they say,and it’s truly not there “WHY”??…To get the best out of 4k OLED you really need to be pushing games in the realms of ultra settings and make that fidelity pop!!…Here we have a case of everything dialled right back to “LOW” to hit 60fps (or close as possible) and as close to 4k as possible “Something has got to give “!!..hence low quality settings..cutbacks on stands and disk drive. It’s even got the same clock speed as the OG PS5! People will see a difference because they need too justify their purchase and that they have now been duped “TWICE “ This is not a dig at console gamer’s,I’m annoyed just watching people get ripped off in front of my eyes and they just can’t see it.
I tested zero dawn remastered and I have to say the lighting is immensely better on ps5pro in the quality mode & I get like 50-55 FPS on my TV with vrr enabled which is not even close to base Ps5. But I have to agree with you that pssr is not used in the horizon games which doesn't make the games look that much better. TLOU part 1 & 2 on the other hand look way better on the pro with pssr and their new pro graphic modes. You easyly get 95- 105 FPS with vrr enabled on the fix 60 FPS target mode with 4k resolution. Those games look absolutely insane on the pro! I am sure GTA 6 and other future games will look way better on the pro too compared to base Ps5 & slim. Thanks for your videos and have a good one Markus
I wonder how the fidelity unlocked mode now runs on Pro. It was 35 to 39fps on base PS5. You could feel the judder and LFC couldn't save it because the fps was so low. It's one of the games with LFC in a 120hz container. 35fps to 39fps is to low for LFC to save it.
probably not the games are heavy in material so they will have to use alot of upscaling really. Jut get a nice tv it will look the same across all 3 really
@@WllKiedSnake Agree its 2024 none of these should be running anything close to that. I tested out lies of p at 30 fps it was disgusting. I bumped it up to 60 it was definitely playable an at real resolution. Then unlocked it and was playing at about 120 fps and it was godly. I don't think consoles should have to play at over 100 but they def shouldn't be floating or anywhere near the 30s. Especially when they make the promise of 60 but that's 60 means standing still in the start of the game when it isn't busy and as soon as you play or run around busy areas its floating around 30s that's just crazy. At that point just buy a cheaper gaming laptop or pc and it will play at least twice that in real 2k and get more fps using dlss
As I thought, I commented on other channels. There will be a much smaller difference in PS exclusives between the base model and the pro. What I saw proves that. An extremely small difference, so small that even when you zoom in it is barely visible. Otherwise, great video, all praise for GamingTech👌👍
@@5324TuiG I feel great. You want to convince yourself of something that is not true. Look, if I want to buy pieces of smelly plastic, I can do it right now. But on principle I don't want that. Thank God I haven't gone blind yet, I can see well, and I see very little improvement here. What can I say about someone who claims that PRO run TLOU 2 in 4k at 120 fps.😅
anti-aliasing is so much better and the detail rendering too... will make a big difference for me playing up-close on a vrr 2560x1440 oled monitor, worth the price to me. This video, by only showing the performance mode does a disservice to us all, compare the other modes as well before reaehing such 'definitive' conclusions.
actually comparing to the perf mode is the right thing, because the pro was sold as "same perf at better image quality", so the pro perf mode should do same perf as base ps5 but with the image of ps5 quality mode, and as we see it does not, it has worse perf than base ps5 and slightly better image
@@Dezzyyx no it's actually only a small part of the picture, leaving out all the rest that would give more information to draw conclusions has nothing 'right' about it.
For me personally Iv seen enough, it’s the exact same as the base ps5, on Monday I’m starting the returns process. It’s sad but this isn’t even a 100 pound upgrade it’s slightly better than the base ps5 there is no need for this pro
If I didn't have the disposable income I'd agree with you. The gains, while impressive, are not enough to move mountains. I also don't appreciate the patches not bothering to sweeten up fidelity modes for the most part.
Wait till this generation goes on and more games come out. Having a PS5 Pro will be worth having once you see the games coming out and what the PS5 Pro can do for them.
they have a custom TAA solution that looks better than PSSR, that is why they're not using PSSR, and PSSR has a cost of up to 20fps compared to TAA as seen in the God of War Ragnarok update where the TAA looks better and has more fps PSSR looks great, but it looks great vs 3rd party bad implementations of FSR2 from low base res on Sony 1st party games that use close to native 4k resolutions with amazing TAA implementations, PSSR doesn't make much sense
One thing to note about PS5 Pro is that it can't magically give you a much higher fps in everything due to both having the same 8 cores Zen 2 CPU with a 10% higher clock on PS5 Pro. Alex Battaglia tested Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered on PC with a Ryzen 5 3600 Zen 2 CPU in areas with a lot of NPC's like Meridian and the highest framerate he could get was barely above 60 even at 720p with a 4090. I can do 140+ easy in those areas on my i9 14900K.
@@DoABarrilRoll in this comparison his pro side looks worse than ps5 side. There’s no way that’s possible. On the actual pro with the pro enhanced modes there’s a HUGE difference in how it looks. It is MASSIVE change enhancement
In this highly compressed TH-cam video I don’t notice much of a difference at all. In person the difference is night and day. The temporal stability and image quality are on another level. Absolutely worth the trade off of a couple frames to me, and I don’t notice the drops anyways with VRR.
Appreciate your honesty man. You got a like from me. I wonder if DF will cover this game or would they not want to upset their relationship with Sony and Guerrilla Games. DF want to keep those free consoles and event invitations coming
I know right? I'm old so I remember going from nes to snes to 64, etc. Those were legitimate graphical leaps where anyone could immediately see a large difference. Now we have to stare at objects, zoomed in and pixel peep back and forth trying to spot small differences. Diminishing returns kicked in a long time ago. Unless the hardware is ALOT better, you don't really get a meaningful change.
Does it make any difference in resolution if i switch off 120hz.I mean by turning off the 120hz will the resolution get higher in performance mode pro?
And this is why people who are getting a PS5 Pro should have a VRR 120hz capable TV. Just for certain games like this. It's made for a specific audience.
Guerilla back ported a new bespoke upscaler they've made for future titles and applied this to the pro update. Looks outstanding and far better than performance mode on base.
ps5 og barely gets noisy. They need to push an update to get the most out of the ps5 og and optimise games like rdr2. Otherwise, to be honest, pc is better. Have a ps5 for the exclusive games, but other than that, pc. On pc, you can play online for free and optimise the games to your liking.
Everything maxed out on a high end PC is visible better with a much higher framerate. The PS5 Pro Version is good (only the performance mode), better than the PS5 version.
@@WhSpRz587 still watching through the video, not sure if his game has received the pro enhanced patch. Because they have extra pro modes including existing old ps5 modes. And Digital Foundry said it is the looking best game of all time they have seen on any console, ever, with the pro enhanced version. Performance mode is 1800checkerboard in PS5, but in performance pro we have 1944p native resolution with locked 60fps and can even go above that with vrr can be anything from up to 30fps increase so almost can reach 90fps and of course you have better depth of field and foliage
If it’s anything like HZD, then the big difference will show up in movement or in the moving foliage. Basically it’s a more stable picture. If you play at regular viewing distance I doubt most will be able to tell them apart, if you play on a monitor then it’s a big difference. By the way HFW on base PS5 uses checkboard rending at 1800c, on PS5 pro GG are using a new upscale technique, but it’s not PSSR.
I can't stand shimmering . So if thats gone , it would be a night and day difference for me personally. I would like to know, in person, does the foliage on the pro performance version look as good as the ps5 resolution mode??
Thanks for the Compare. Ur right, thats a Disappointment for me aswell. Some Drops lower then 60fps on a Pro while regular one is going over 70? That Game needs a Patch asap please!
This is an absolute must to get the Pro! I can see and feel the difference between the base PS5 and the Pro visuals. The gameplay is much smoother and sharper on texture. ❤
@GamingTech-TH-cam sure just mostly been seeing likes of FFVII Rebirth which is a great use of the Pro but I played that 6 months ago. Where Horizon not played for 7 years and matt be things like COD that just came out people would want to see.
Does it have the pro enhanced update, I see reviewers reviewing the pro but are not using games with the enhancement so the review is not correct. I checked my games where there was an update for and you really can see the upgrade, better quality and fps.
What I want to test is the Burning Shores DLC, that had the worst LOD and shimmering out of everything in the game. And personally as far as Horizon goes, I’m more interested in playing the remaster of Zero Dawn on the Pro.
Hi GaminTech, please read up on the technologies. Yes HFW does not use PSSR, it uses Guerillas in house solution, that actually works even better than pssr in this title. It has a more stable image and is comparable to dlss in terms a image quality. Your fps analysis fail to mention that the pro runs with much higher settings. Yes it does not go quite as high as the base in performance mode, but still a stable 60 - meaning there are less “wasted frames” for people without a vrr display - in short the pro patch better utilizes the target hardware.
So much money for such a small upgrade is, in my opinion, a waste of money, but of course everyone should decide for themselves. Maybe it looks better in other games? Thanks for the interesting review!
This game should not be the deciding factor. After playing several of the enhanced games and even trying some non enhanced games, I can say it's for sure worth the money. Even non enhanced games are helped by less lag, higher sustained resolution when the game is using variable resolution scaling and some games that let you turn on multiple features that lagged in the past like using ray tracing, you can see a big jump in smoother performance. I only wish that so many older games didn't have 30fps caps on their higher quality modes. I can sit here and talk specifics on my game to game experiences but there it too much to tell. 😂
@robertlawrence9000 yes, I believe you that everything you say is true, but I have watched other videos since then and I think that the upgrade is not worth it for me personally. Not at this price. Maybe for people who sit very close to the TV and have eagle eyes 🤣
It's not using FSR. They already confirmed it's there own in house tech. Thy have not confirmed if it uses the AI chip in the ps5 pro or not. Also the base ps5 uses a temporal upsample and not FSR
For more insight the game runs checkerboarded 1800p on base ps5 and dynamic res between 1296p up to 1712p on the ps5 pro it can go higher or lower I’m not sure it also uses a custom upscaler which Guerrilla made for a upcoming game of theirs but they backported it to horizon forbidden west 😌
Correct, and the DF video of the difference was quite stark, the difference was very noticeable, unlike this video. What’s that all about eh? Now I believe both DF and this site so I can only guess our friend here has missed something, surely 🫣
The reason for it being lower fps on the pro compared to the ps5 surely has to be the extra detail you get from the pro performance mode compared to the performance mode on the base ps5? Thought this would be obvious? Or am i missing something? Maybe an update might sqeeze more frames from it at some point.
@Dezzyyx Bringing both fidelity and performance closer together was the goal, hence why they said being able to have fidelity at 60fps instead of choosing one or the other, its not ideal but the fps lost on HFW is not much, not enough to think its the end of the world, the higher detail in the new performance pro mode is why it drops frames slightly, dont forget this game doesnt use pssr so maybe if pssr was present, the frame rate might of matched or been higher.
Thanks for your videos, very interested in PS5 Pro vs PS5 comparisons as I’m still on the fence about buying one. Could you perhaps do TLOU2 Remake next?
Waiting for DF video on this, I tried it and you feel and see the difference instantly, but I guess it depends on a person. Was really impressed with HFW.
I have 42’ lg c3 and can confirm there’s a small increase with image quality so not much difference. Think PSSR will improve this gap if it gets patched in
the fact you have to spend 800 bucks and wait on that and they aren't required to do it is a red flag. You really gonna trust the same guys who pust games in the enhanced store that aren't even enhanced?
He recibido hoy mi Ps5 pro y he instalado el Horizon, GoW Ragnarok y FF7, y puedo decir con total franqueza, que no se totan casi nada los cambios. Unicamente, una mejora aceptable en FF7.Tengo una LG C3 de tv, y ni aún asi se nota la diferencia por el precio que tiene. Estoy decepcionado con esta maquina. La peor revision que he visto en mis 35 años de vida.
Something has to be up with the update because there’s absolutely no reason why the framerate with vrr turned on shouldn’t be higher, or at least matched. Being lower tells me something is messed up, I betcha we get a patch sooner rather than later to fix it up. Developers were scrambling to get that coveted “ps5pro enabled” tag and they are a top notch team.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Was the game installed on the system SSD storage or on an M.2 SSD when testing? Just curious. I noticed when I put my M.2 SSD into the PS5 Pro the games didn't need to redownload but when I tried Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth playing from the M.2 SSD I was getting some frame hitching during traversal. I then installed the game on the PS5 Pro's SSD storage and the traversal frame hitching went away. The M.2 SSD I have is one of the recommended ones for PS5 that has a higher speed too. Not sure if it was some system bottleneck or possible previous data fragmentation. I just wonder if it could affect framerate at all. I highly doubt it but just a curiosity.
I got the pro and playing tlou2 in 4K with uncapped framerate is insane .. I use a Sony a90j oled and that’s crazy … The other reason I wanted the pro is I am upgrading my tv to next years Sony oled (the real successor of the a90j). The mediatek chip they use is supporting up to 160fps,.. the beast is going to be insane …also with the Sony hta9m2 sound system
Really disappointed they removed the old performance mode. If they left it the pro could use it and hit 80-90 fps. Maybe try the disc version of the complete addition unpatched?
Great video! What's your overall take on testing all the games so far on the pro? Better visuals and performance then base PS5 games? Worth buying it? I guess it comes all down to the developers and their talent to utilize the tools and power of the pro. Sony's first party studios and developers always made games that looked and played amazing with different options to play and with VRR, RT,etc. But it was always the 3rd party games that needed major improvements. Since I feel Sony's first party developers are more talented imo. Hopefully most, if not,all games take advantage of the pro's potential.
Id be more inclined to report the ridiculous shimmering/flickering that silent hill 2, jedi survivour, star wars outlaws, alan wake 2 are showing, they look horrible, yet not seeing anyone on youtube point this out.
Silent Hill 2 Remake hasn't got it's Pro patch yet. The performance is much better though in both quality and performance modes. Performance mode in it's trouble spots are now 60fps or within the VRR range. So when a PS5 Pro patch does come out. You should be getting a higher looking resolution and these performance improvements.
@@WllKiedSnake I hope youe right because to me, it looks worse on the pro, same as outlaws and jedi survivour, the games that have had patches do look miles better so ive fingers crossed, tbh its abit bad to advertise as pro enhanced when they are not, cayses alot of confusion and unfortunately, alot of aggression from certain people for pointing negatives out that are clearly there.
@mnormansell1984 Just Silent Hill 2 Remake isn't Pro Enhanced. Right now it's just the Pro brute forcing it to run run better and it does. But something is wrong with image quality. Possibly it's a unfinished version of a Pro version they are working on and it automatically kicks in on Pro. But yeah! Image quality is worse, but performance is much better. Star Wars Outlaws isn't Pro patched yet either right? It's still FSR2 with a dynamic res. So all the Pro is doing is running it at a higher resolution. And Jedi Survivor I've heard AO on vegetation doesn't display properly. That game always has these odd graphical effects. I'm still waiting for someone to show FF16 off. It's now a higher fps and within the VRR range and the dynamic res should be higher. But nobody has shown it off properly yet.
@WllKiedSnake yeah ff16 wouod be interesting to see, ive nit played it ut my friends said he was blown away with the game's story, might be ine to play at some point
@mnormansell1984 I want to see Ghost Wire Tokyo as it has so many modes to mess with. Pro should help out with that game. Stranger of Paradise as it can dip fps wise and VRR has always been needed to help out and Resident Evil 2 Remake and Resi 3 Remakes PS5 port in the resolution mode with RT on. Those two games can't hold 60fps in resolution mode with RT on. Goes below the VRR range often. Pro should solve that.
this guy loves PlayStation I'm subbed to this channel I will get PS5 PRO later due some problems and bills. Great video. I will sell my PS5 and get the PRO.
This is what I was saying we need to have Games. Zen 2 CPU launched 2019 so it is 5 years old now. Sony want to milk this gen 4 more years so that’s why they drop PS 5 Pro on the market. New Xbox will be Zen 6 and Rdna 5 probably. If they will do it that will be a masssive jump. 3 generations jump in hardware that’s massive. With upcoming games on the system and opening for steam that could be crazy.
i paid $0 for my ps5 pro, traded in my ps5 and xbox series x totaling $820 store credit at gamestop. I paid nothing and still had $60 left over on my gift card:)
I realy don't know what kind of problem some guys have. I play on a PS5 Pro on a 120hz Vrr TV in 40fps Mode and the step forward is absoluty awsome, same with Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman or Last of us 1 and 2😊
I think we have to wait what the Future brings. In the End the Pro has more raw Graphic / Performance Power than the Base Ps5 and I am pretty sure that you will see difference in the Upcoming Games. To give a full Review or Judge the Pro after just a few Days and Games is quite stupid. The Game Developers must find the right tools to use this Power and Iam pretty sure they will use this in the Future to see results in a bigger Picture. The PSSR Upscaling seems very powerful to Boost existing and upcoming Games. Sorry my English is limited
Night and day, first game I downloaded on mine and it’s transformative. I gave up on it originally when it came out, it looked horrible in performance mode, and the framerate wasn’t even stable.. now? It looks nice and sharp, they fixed a bunch of the low res textures, and it’s buttery smooth 60FPS.
Oh yeah that Vaseline Effect was a absolute NoGo for me so i didnt play it after my Pre Order of the Game. Now after 9 Month i can finaly play it without gettin Headache. I think at the Moment, FF Rebirth is one of the Games who get the best Benefits from the Pro Version.
Ok. And where did I mention that this is not the case? I clearly meantioned that the Pro version is sharper and has a better picture. What you need to understands is that the old PS5 has also a very good IQ. There is not a day and night difference between old PS5 and PS5 Pro!
@@whitewolf1054 I noticed that Zero Dawn Remaster doesn't look as good as Forbidden West in different ways. Forbidden West has a lot of little touches here and there that are higher quality than even the Zero Dawn Remaster.
Agreed bro, PS5 Pro "Find your mistake" this console are fail. All enhanced games running 4K 30fps with blurry image, better in PS5 then PS5 Pro. Why? PSSR is like testing technology in PS5 Pro, turn on PSSR get blurry image and same fps with PS5 no blurry image without PSSR. This why Xbox not make refresh console like PS5, PS5 Pro are fail product, we can see PS5 Pro market will drop. Not what I think before release, I think PS5 Pro will running 4K 60fps in fidelity mode, and can running Cyberpunk 4K 60fps ray tracing on, but the fact all same like PS5 👎
Hey man, first off really like your content keep up the good work but this is really quite bizarre. I watched the digital foundry video and John Linneman stated the performance mode on the PS5 pro was the best image quality he'd ever seen on a console and was better than the fidelity mode, Guerilla themselves even said they went all out on the performance mode on the pro. The base PS5 runs the performance mode at checkerboard 1800p, there's no way that levels with the fidelity mode having played the game extensively in that mode myself so something has to be up here.
The PS5 Pro should have been the base PS5. "Pro" means professional, so it doesn’t make sense to label a console as "Pro"-it’s not a phone. Professional gamers play on PCs, not consoles. Come on Sony...
HFW DOES NOT USE FSR. I MADE A MISTAKE SORRY! Please like, share and subscribe. Please watch the whole Video. I spent several hours to create this Video. Thank You!
H:FW uses a "bespoke" TAA solution, not FSR!
Im not sure if anyone has started working on this but we might need a definitive list of all the PS5 Pro "Enhanced" games for which ones are only using regular PSR & which ones are using PSSR.
It's an easy mistake to make with all of these upscalers, friend!
I believe they use native 4K (with some dynamic res) in the 30 FPS mode and checkerboarding + Guerrilla's own temporal upscaler in the performance/balanced modes on OG PS5.
@@MrMeanh how very "rich" of you, certainly we can say you have "leadbetter"
@@eruannster there's a video of devs saying they didn't even want to keep 30hz mode but they didn't want to take choice away. All it does is keep it at native 4k. The performance pro mode is 1940p something then upscaled to 2160p
People need to see this, I made a community post linking people to your video. Keep up the good videos and definitely appreciate the HDR content!!
Slightly better makes this absolutely astonishing tbh. It looks unreal in real life
Playing this on my ps5 pro on my lg cx tv its a night snd dsy difference for me in person. Watching this in my iphone its hard to spot the difference.
Looks so clean and smooth and incredibly sharp in person, the textures really pop, and its amazing having virtually no shimmering, this game is to gorgeous
Yeah it’s hard to explain to folks on TH-cam that you have to see it in person. Even unpatched games look so much sharper in person
Placebo effect.
There is a difference. I was blown away on how sharp and crisp the game looks on my Pro compared to the base model. I'm not sure why the context creator didn't see it 🤔🤔🤔
Copium effect
@@kcogbonna3150same bro, I do play close to the TV, 1m away from my QD-OLED S95B
The new pro performance mode looks incredible. it's so stable
@@ELpeaceonearthHe means image quality stable.
Performance mode is already stable
@@UltraJamZHD Stable visually. Not talking about framerate
Average fanboy
@@AnotherDay-ce6th Average ignorant
It's strange to say you dont see much of a difference when I can even see it while watching on mobile. I love this game and turned it on my ps5 pro and was blown away that its even more amazing than it already was. The textures and sharpness are definitely more noticable especially with all the fauna you see while youre playing. Its not "night and day" of course but I can still see a noticable difference. It's not worth it for everyone of course but I hate the rhetoric that its the same image quality as base PS5 because it clearly is not!
It's not the same, but unless you have an amazing TV you're not gonna see it. I'm still plenty happy with my PS5, and most of the games I play are classics and Atlus games, which aren't known for their fidelity.
@St4rTr3v1Ut10n I would definitely cosign that. An "amazing" TV should precede the purchase of a PS5 Pro without a doubt. (VRR, 4K 120hz capability, high nit count etc..) But those features would benefit a base PS5 too.
@@DanielLopez-nm3tv They definitely do. I had a 65" 4k TV from 2016, upgraded to something with HDMI2.1 and all the features that come with it, it was like playing an actual next-gen console.
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10neven gta5 from my 1440p ips panel to my 4k oled tv is an amazing difference. And that games old.
According to Digital Foundry this has the BEST image quality than any console game. It looks beautiful on my 77” OLED.
Yeah I just watched that, it was because the pssr upscaling cleans up the older taa solution on the base model.
@@TheT0nedude evidently you haven't watched the DF video, because if you did, you would've known that Horizon DOESN'T use PSSR, they use a custom TAA reconstruction made by the devs themselves unique to their engine, and the reason DF said it's the best image quality is because it doesn't have the image flicker instability of PSSR
You tend to get so many things wrong mate.
For a start the PS5 Pro is using a form of TSSR in Horizon games and the PS5 does not use FSR at all in any of it’s modes either.
As far I am aware no first party PS5 titles have ever used FSR.
Thanks for that. I was not aware of that. Doesn't change anything for the video outcome.
@@DEVILTAZ35 yeah ps5 is the ugly checkerboard rendering upscale pro is sooooo much better
@@Deccani Where did you hear this info? I only know of PS4 Pro games use checkerboard rendering and they can of course work on PS5 but the new games on PS5 are using other solutions.
Guerilla Games does NOT use FSR for Horizon Forbidden West but rather their own temporal solution. DF spoke about it recently.
Do some research bro, HFW doesn't use FSR at all, it uses in engine upscaler even DF mentioned that many times
Reason why the performance mode runs at a lower frame rate on the pro is because they're using higher settings compared to the performance mode on the base ps5, plus a way better TAA, idk what they're using but omg the difference is huge when it comes to fine detail like grass etc etc the new TAA solution is so stable and sharp you can't even see any shimmer, it's really impressive, but yeah we lose some frames haha
They might be using SMAA to help out now.
I ask 30 gamers if they see the difference. Most didn't notice it. It's the most overpriced console ever
@@stevemuzak8526let people have fun with their console lol. You won’t see the difference on TH-cam, and since you can’t afford one, just accept what others are telling you. The PRO is making a HUGE difference in some games. It’s way better than any console now, period
I barely seen any difference between them, certainly not enough to justify spending €800
I waited more FPS in Performance Pro, maybe 90 FPS, i am not interested in higher resolution :c
You forgot to compare picture quality of PS5 Pro performance mode vs picture quality of PS5 quality mode. That is the comparison most people are interested in. What I want to see is if that I can run at 60fps with the same picture quality
Bro, playstation released a video today and they basically speak that the pro runs with resolution from base ps5 at 60fps
The difference in the two systems is not like the Before and After weight lost pictures. More like Before and Before without the After picture. Not a huge result of changes in appearance.
Maybe I am not well informed but, shouldn't you have compared the quality mode of the ps5 pro with the performance mode of the ps5 instead, to actually see the difference?
@@marcoss1366 devs said the quality mode is useless they just put it so that people have options.
@@Deccani The game looks better on quality mode, so how is it useless. In performance mode the fps is up, but the quality is terrible.
@@SelectiveSocial401Looks slightly better an runs at 30 or below fps is not worth showing off
@@SelectiveSocial401 that wasn't the sell though. The sell was the Pro performance mode should have the same or better visual quality than ps5 quality mode, so using the pro perf mode here makes sense. Not to mention the pro perf has less fps than ps5, which goes against the pro sell of "same perf at better visual quality". in conclusion you got less fps at maybe slightly better image, if we use this game as example
@@Deccani if it was useless, they wouldn't have put it into the game, stop believing what community managers say about games made by dozens of engineers that you don't hear from
Why framerate looks higher on standard ps5?? 😰
Maybe it's running at higher res now and since ps5 pro us using same cpu, the ps5 pro has used all its power for resolution and has little left for fps
@zeohblitz or maybe the game still not listed as one of the ps5 pro enhanced games 🤔
Higher graphics settings on PS5 Pro.
@@dhowsland8520 It is listed as one. It's just not using all of the new features like some other games are.
I tested it myself, for me the biggest difference is actually in picture quality/ anti-aliasing. The base PS5 version of the remaster is super sharp, but to be honest it is too grainy, too aliased for me. Don't get me wrong - there is no strong shimmering or anything like that, but aliasing on trees (especially on the branches) is kinda annoying and picture is grainy in general. I personally prefer much softer image, with strong AA of good quality. And this PS5 Pro delivers in this game.
Thanks for the unbiased and honest sharing.
DF and other channels said this was the best picture quality they've seen in a console game, not so much resolution improvement, but picture stability and detail resolve. Also said it's very difficult to show that in YT video, compression takes a lot of that away. Do you agree?
It is a very good Picture Quality but the old PS5 was already very good so that's why there is not much of an improvement.
@@claudiovic88 That's right! That was exactly my impression and thought when I played "Horizon Zero Dawn - Remaster" for a few hours - on the >>PS5-No-Pro
Have you ever heard the term Shill before??…Have you not noticed how much DF have been pushing SONY PRO in the buildup before sales 😂..It’s called marketing!!
The proof is in the pudding as they say,and it’s truly not there “WHY”??…To get the best out of 4k OLED you really need to be pushing games in the realms of ultra settings and make that fidelity pop!!…Here we have a case of everything dialled right back to “LOW” to hit 60fps (or close as possible) and as close to 4k as possible “Something has got to give “!!..hence low quality settings..cutbacks on stands and disk drive.
It’s even got the same clock speed as the OG PS5!
People will see a difference because they need too justify their purchase and that they have now been duped “TWICE “
This is not a dig at console gamer’s,I’m annoyed just watching people get ripped off in front of my eyes and they just can’t see it.
@@TheAtkinson118DF can't win. Get accused of being Microsoft shills and now PS5 Pro shills.
дф буде тобі розказувати те що їм скаже соні і за що соні ім занела бабки і пс5 про за 800 евро
I tested zero dawn remastered and I have to say the lighting is immensely better on ps5pro in the quality mode & I get like 50-55 FPS on my TV with vrr enabled which is not even close to base Ps5. But I have to agree with you that pssr is not used in the horizon games which doesn't make the games look that much better. TLOU part 1 & 2 on the other hand look way better on the pro with pssr and their new pro graphic modes. You easyly get 95- 105 FPS with vrr enabled on the fix 60 FPS target mode with 4k resolution. Those games look absolutely insane on the pro! I am sure GTA 6 and other future games will look way better on the pro too compared to base Ps5 & slim.
Thanks for your videos and have a good one Markus
I wonder how the fidelity unlocked mode now runs on Pro. It was 35 to 39fps on base PS5. You could feel the judder and LFC couldn't save it because the fps was so low. It's one of the games with LFC in a 120hz container. 35fps to 39fps is to low for LFC to save it.
якщо ти лох то занеси Маркусу 1200 евро і купи його гівно щоб отримати 10 фпс і мило на про версії
probably not the games are heavy in material so they will have to use alot of upscaling really. Jut get a nice tv it will look the same across all 3 really
@@WllKiedSnake Agree its 2024 none of these should be running anything close to that. I tested out lies of p at 30 fps it was disgusting. I bumped it up to 60 it was definitely playable an at real resolution. Then unlocked it and was playing at about 120 fps and it was godly. I don't think consoles should have to play at over 100 but they def shouldn't be floating or anywhere near the 30s. Especially when they make the promise of 60 but that's 60 means standing still in the start of the game when it isn't busy and as soon as you play or run around busy areas its floating around 30s that's just crazy. At that point just buy a cheaper gaming laptop or pc and it will play at least twice that in real 2k and get more fps using dlss
As I thought, I commented on other channels. There will be a much smaller difference in PS exclusives between the base model and the pro. What I saw proves that. An extremely small difference, so small that even when you zoom in it is barely visible. Otherwise, great video, all praise for GamingTech👌👍
It depends on the title. We need to see what they do with newer titles.
Lmao stop making yourself feel better …
I got the pro and I play the last of us 2 in 4K in 120fps (uncapped with vrr) …. It’s insane
@@5324TuiG I feel great. You want to convince yourself of something that is not true. Look, if I want to buy pieces of smelly plastic, I can do it right now. But on principle I don't want that. Thank God I haven't gone blind yet, I can see well, and I see very little improvement here. What can I say about someone who claims that PRO run TLOU 2 in 4k at 120 fps.😅
@@robertlawrence9000 Agree👍
@ well actually what were you saying ??
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How do you record the footage? I also use trdrops but often I see the wrong fps. I record lossless with OBS.
anti-aliasing is so much better and the detail rendering too... will make a big difference for me playing up-close on a vrr 2560x1440 oled monitor, worth the price to me. This video, by only showing the performance mode does a disservice to us all, compare the other modes as well before reaehing such 'definitive' conclusions.
@@tineocedric he’s hdr expert, so other things he’s still learning one day he will get to digital foundry level!
actually comparing to the perf mode is the right thing, because the pro was sold as "same perf at better image quality", so the pro perf mode should do same perf as base ps5 but with the image of ps5 quality mode, and as we see it does not, it has worse perf than base ps5 and slightly better image
@@Dezzyyx no it's actually only a small part of the picture, leaving out all the rest that would give more information to draw conclusions has nothing 'right' about it.
For me personally Iv seen enough, it’s the exact same as the base ps5, on Monday I’m starting the returns process. It’s sad but this isn’t even a 100 pound upgrade it’s slightly better than the base ps5 there is no need for this pro
If I didn't have the disposable income I'd agree with you. The gains, while impressive, are not enough to move mountains. I also don't appreciate the patches not bothering to sweeten up fidelity modes for the most part.
Wait till this generation goes on and more games come out. Having a PS5 Pro will be worth having once you see the games coming out and what the PS5 Pro can do for them.
@ true this is why I bought it
@@OTDECK This is the teething period where devs learn what they can do with it.
@@TSPG1985 horizon fidelity mode was not needed and devs said so
Wasn't that the burning shores dlc? Have you also tested forbidden west?
I sure hope Gorilla pushes a PSSR update eventually. I think this would really push those frames up. This game looks absolutely stunning on the PRO
@@alphaj9 stunning without rt 🤣 🅱️uh🅰h🅰️h 😹 😹 😹 Don't embarrass yourself dumb sonyboy 😸
they have a custom TAA solution that looks better than PSSR, that is why they're not using PSSR, and PSSR has a cost of up to 20fps compared to TAA as seen in the God of War Ragnarok update where the TAA looks better and has more fps
PSSR looks great, but it looks great vs 3rd party bad implementations of FSR2 from low base res
on Sony 1st party games that use close to native 4k resolutions with amazing TAA implementations, PSSR doesn't make much sense
@@alphaj9 Another dmmy sonyboy who got scammed for the overpriced ps5 pro without 💿 drive 🤣🤣 How it's feel to be a sucker ❔😄
I think im missing something. Why did you leave out fidelity mode? Because theres a night and day difference between the pro and og ps5 on that mode
How can it look the same but preform worse. I don't get it
Higher graphics settings.
Any changes with Astrobot ????..🤔🤔🤔
Higher dynamic resolution and it doesn't drop fps wise in specific sections it would dip.
Thanks..👍
One thing to note about PS5 Pro is that it can't magically give you a much higher fps in everything due to both having the same 8 cores Zen 2 CPU with a 10% higher clock on PS5 Pro. Alex Battaglia tested Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered on PC with a Ryzen 5 3600 Zen 2 CPU in areas with a lot of NPC's like Meridian and the highest framerate he could get was barely above 60 even at 720p with a 4090. I can do 140+ easy in those areas on my i9 14900K.
Great video! Appreciate your review and analysis!
Are you sure, you installed the patch? DF found a lot of differences?!
@@DoABarrilRoll looks like he hasn’t , there’s like 6 modes with the pro patch.
@@DoABarrilRoll in this comparison his pro side looks worse than ps5 side. There’s no way that’s possible. On the actual pro with the pro enhanced modes there’s a HUGE difference in how it looks. It is MASSIVE change enhancement
@@Deccani No there are not! There are 3 modes with the ending PRO on the PS5 Pro
@@Deccani i have a pro and there are 3
@@darkknight2864 hmm looks like they patched it again. Are you on latest update?
Markus you was wrong here. Horizon did not use FSR either PSSR, its using a custom develop solution by Guerilla.
Hast du keine locked 60 ohne vrr ?
In this highly compressed TH-cam video I don’t notice much of a difference at all. In person the difference is night and day. The temporal stability and image quality are on another level. Absolutely worth the trade off of a couple frames to me, and I don’t notice the drops anyways with VRR.
Appreciate your honesty man. You got a like from me. I wonder if DF will cover this game or would they not want to upset their relationship with Sony and Guerrilla Games. DF want to keep those free consoles and event invitations coming
When this is over, pixel considerations, companies are making incredible money
I know right? I'm old so I remember going from nes to snes to 64, etc. Those were legitimate graphical leaps where anyone could immediately see a large difference. Now we have to stare at objects, zoomed in and pixel peep back and forth trying to spot small differences. Diminishing returns kicked in a long time ago. Unless the hardware is ALOT better, you don't really get a meaningful change.
@@paulcox2447 Only if they could get UE5 games looking a lot better using all the features the engine has to offer. It could be incredible!
Your creations are insane men!!! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Does it make any difference in resolution if i switch off 120hz.I mean by turning off the 120hz will the resolution get higher in performance mode pro?
And this is why people who are getting a PS5 Pro should have a VRR 120hz capable TV. Just for certain games like this. It's made for a specific audience.
But everyone said that pro performance mode looks better than fidelity on PS5 isn't it true?
It does. Less shimmering. Much more stable image.
Guerilla back ported a new bespoke upscaler they've made for future titles and applied this to the pro update. Looks outstanding and far better than performance mode on base.
Can you try out dragon age the Veilguard on the pro- doesn’t seem like there’s a difference between the normal ps5 and the pro
Had me excited in the first 20 seconds lol... Game still looking pretty good either way from base or pro
That's the point to keep you watching 😁😁
@@GamingTech-TH-cam
😂
ps5 og barely gets noisy. They need to push an update to get the most out of the ps5 og and optimise games like rdr2. Otherwise, to be honest, pc is better. Have a ps5 for the exclusive games, but other than that, pc. On pc, you can play online for free and optimise the games to your liking.
Everything maxed out on a high end PC is visible better with a much higher framerate. The PS5 Pro Version is good (only the performance mode), better than the PS5 version.
@@WhSpRz587 still watching through the video, not sure if his game has received the pro enhanced patch. Because they have extra pro modes including existing old ps5 modes.
And Digital Foundry said it is the looking best game of all time they have seen on any console, ever, with the pro enhanced version.
Performance mode is 1800checkerboard in PS5, but in performance pro we have 1944p native resolution with locked 60fps and can even go above that with vrr can be anything from up to 30fps increase so almost can reach 90fps and of course you have better depth of field and foliage
If it’s anything like HZD, then the big difference will show up in movement or in the moving foliage. Basically it’s a more stable picture. If you play at regular viewing distance I doubt most will be able to tell them apart, if you play on a monitor then it’s a big difference. By the way HFW on base PS5 uses checkboard rending at 1800c, on PS5 pro GG are using a new upscale technique, but it’s not PSSR.
Can you take a look at the Horizon remaster? It was hopefully created with the Pro in mind.
Watching this at 4k and i just can say this is one beautiful looking game for both ps5 and pro, couldn't tell the difference search a nice game
I can't stand shimmering . So if thats gone , it would be a night and day difference for me personally.
I would like to know, in person, does the foliage on the pro performance version look as good as the ps5 resolution mode??
a question, is it my impression or do games have better quality when using 60hz instead of 120hz? why does lhdr change from rgb to yuv422?
that has to do with hdmi bandwith, you cannot have full rgb with also 120hz on ps5
but does this decrease the resolution or just the color quality?
@@tilda5944 if you use hdr? on the ps5 with hdmi 2.1 you will be able to have the max resolution with hdr, just not with rgb 444, which doesnt matter
Thanks for the Compare. Ur right, thats a Disappointment for me aswell. Some Drops lower then 60fps on a Pro while regular one is going over 70? That Game needs a Patch asap please!
Zero dawn is the same
A patch won't change anything. They upgrade some of the graphics options. It comes at a cost.
@@WllKiedSnake the it is a lie to say its pro enhanced.
@@DesOdinsNordman It is though?...
@@WllKiedSnake Sure, ist such a improvement for 900€, cmon!!!!
This is an absolute must to get the Pro! I can see and feel the difference between the base PS5 and the Pro visuals. The gameplay is much smoother and sharper on texture. ❤
U need new eyes,broke boy
ти сліпий ти не бачиш мила на пс5 про в подуктивному режимі тобі моча від соні очі виїла
@@holamoco u broke playing on console
5:59 Ur telling me the ps5 pro gets LESS fps than the normal ps5 😭😭 I don’t even see the difference in the graphics I don’t care just give me the fps
Just play tour original
Mark Cerny - most gamers choose performance mode. PS5 pro - let's update the graphics and lose performance.
🤣 literally my same thought... also they said better graphics but even then it's just minor, and yeah worse perf which was the sell lol...
yep))))) because central processor was improved only +10%. Means that games like HFwest, GTA, etc, GPU couldn’t help)
Waiting for ps6?)))
What tv is that
I have 2 4K monitor and both PS5 and it looks really better on Pro I can assure that
What about Zero Dawn Remastered?
My day has just 24hours 😄
@GamingTech-TH-cam sure just mostly been seeing likes of FFVII Rebirth which is a great use of the Pro but I played that 6 months ago. Where Horizon not played for 7 years and matt be things like COD that just came out people would want to see.
Does it have the pro enhanced update, I see reviewers reviewing the pro but are not using games with the enhancement so the review is not correct. I checked my games where there was an update for and you really can see the upgrade, better quality and fps.
Yes I got the update
What I want to test is the Burning Shores DLC, that had the worst LOD and shimmering out of everything in the game. And personally as far as Horizon goes, I’m more interested in playing the remaster of Zero Dawn on the Pro.
Hi GaminTech, please read up on the technologies. Yes HFW does not use PSSR, it uses Guerillas in house solution, that actually works even better than pssr in this title. It has a more stable image and is comparable to dlss in terms a image quality.
Your fps analysis fail to mention that the pro runs with much higher settings. Yes it does not go quite as high as the base in performance mode, but still a stable 60 - meaning there are less “wasted frames” for people without a vrr display - in short the pro patch better utilizes the target hardware.
I was just gonna say that Guerrilla Games use their own in house upscaler but you already corrected yourself. 👍
So much money for such a small upgrade is, in my opinion, a waste of money, but of course everyone should decide for themselves. Maybe it looks better in other games? Thanks for the interesting review!
This game should not be the deciding factor. After playing several of the enhanced games and even trying some non enhanced games, I can say it's for sure worth the money. Even non enhanced games are helped by less lag, higher sustained resolution when the game is using variable resolution scaling and some games that let you turn on multiple features that lagged in the past like using ray tracing, you can see a big jump in smoother performance. I only wish that so many older games didn't have 30fps caps on their higher quality modes. I can sit here and talk specifics on my game to game experiences but there it too much to tell. 😂
@robertlawrence9000
yes, I believe you that everything you say is true, but I have watched other videos since then and I think that the upgrade is not worth it for me personally. Not at this price. Maybe for people who sit very close to the TV and have eagle eyes 🤣
Pro Definitely looks sharper. Weather effects and water seems improved To me.
It's not using FSR. They already confirmed it's there own in house tech. Thy have not confirmed if it uses the AI chip in the ps5 pro or not. Also the base ps5 uses a temporal upsample and not FSR
in HFW The PS5 base looks match sharpened and more detailed then ps5 pro
No it doesn't. 😂
For more insight the game runs checkerboarded 1800p on base ps5 and dynamic res between 1296p up to 1712p on the ps5 pro it can go higher or lower I’m not sure it also uses a custom upscaler which Guerrilla made for a upcoming game of theirs but they backported it to horizon forbidden west 😌
Where did you get that info?
@@robertlawrence9000 the pixel counts I’ve done myself and as of the upscaling info I got it from guerrilla during a early preview of the ps5 pro
Didnt they say something about they didnt opt for pssr because they have a pretty good custom made upscaler
Correct, and the DF video of the difference was quite stark, the difference was very noticeable, unlike this video. What’s that all about eh? Now I believe both DF and this site so I can only guess our friend here has missed something, surely 🫣
I watched the DF Video. The difference is the same as in my video. Not a day and night difference.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam ah ok, so less shimmering etc etc etc.
@@amnril yea but also we got to remember not everyone capture equipment offer the same quality digital foundry probably use higher end tech
The big question is is the ps5 pro worth the money?
If you got a lot of games yes. And with what's coming up yes. And if you have a good 4k HDR, VRR, 120hz TV.
not if you own a ps5 and you don't have 700 bucks burning a hole in your pocket.
a live stream is coming where he will answer this
Seriously this is DIMINISHING RETURNS
Hfw is not using FSR, its using Guerillas inhouse scaler.
The reason for it being lower fps on the pro compared to the ps5 surely has to be the extra detail you get from the pro performance mode compared to the performance mode on the base ps5? Thought this would be obvious? Or am i missing something?
Maybe an update might sqeeze more frames from it at some point.
it's weird though because they said performance was the focus of the pro, yet the performance is worse lol
@Dezzyyx Bringing both fidelity and performance closer together was the goal, hence why they said being able to have fidelity at 60fps instead of choosing one or the other, its not ideal but the fps lost on HFW is not much, not enough to think its the end of the world, the higher detail in the new performance pro mode is why it drops frames slightly, dont forget this game doesnt use pssr so maybe if pssr was present, the frame rate might of matched or been higher.
Thanks for your videos, very interested in PS5 Pro vs PS5 comparisons as I’m still on the fence about buying one. Could you perhaps do TLOU2 Remake next?
now please do Horizon: Forbidden West Remastered PS5 vs PS5 Pro please.
Waiting for DF video on this, I tried it and you feel and see the difference instantly, but I guess it depends on a person. Was really impressed with HFW.
I have 42’ lg c3 and can confirm there’s a small increase with image quality so not much difference. Think PSSR will improve this gap if it gets patched in
the fact you have to spend 800 bucks and wait on that and they aren't required to do it is a red flag. You really gonna trust the same guys who pust games in the enhanced store that aren't even enhanced?
He recibido hoy mi Ps5 pro y he instalado el Horizon, GoW Ragnarok y FF7, y puedo decir con total franqueza, que no se totan casi nada los cambios. Unicamente, una mejora aceptable en FF7.Tengo una LG C3 de tv, y ni aún asi se nota la diferencia por el precio que tiene. Estoy decepcionado con esta maquina. La peor revision que he visto en mis 35 años de vida.
Same I might return it
Something has to be up with the update because there’s absolutely no reason why the framerate with vrr turned on shouldn’t be higher, or at least matched. Being lower tells me something is messed up, I betcha we get a patch sooner rather than later to fix it up. Developers were scrambling to get that coveted “ps5pro enabled” tag and they are a top notch team.
I tested several times and the Pro has a slightly worse performance
They pushed up some graphics settings.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Was the game installed on the system SSD storage or on an M.2 SSD when testing? Just curious. I noticed when I put my M.2 SSD into the PS5 Pro the games didn't need to redownload but when I tried Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth playing from the M.2 SSD I was getting some frame hitching during traversal. I then installed the game on the PS5 Pro's SSD storage and the traversal frame hitching went away. The M.2 SSD I have is one of the recommended ones for PS5 that has a higher speed too. Not sure if it was some system bottleneck or possible previous data fragmentation. I just wonder if it could affect framerate at all. I highly doubt it but just a curiosity.
@@robertlawrence9000 on the internal ssd
I got the pro and playing tlou2 in 4K with uncapped framerate is insane .. I use a Sony a90j oled and that’s crazy …
The other reason I wanted the pro is I am upgrading my tv to next years Sony oled (the real successor of the a90j). The mediatek chip they use is supporting up to 160fps,.. the beast is going to be insane …also with the Sony hta9m2 sound system
Really disappointed they removed the old performance mode. If they left it the pro could use it and hit 80-90 fps. Maybe try the disc version of the complete addition unpatched?
Great video! What's your overall take on testing all the games so far on the pro? Better visuals and performance then base PS5 games? Worth buying it? I guess it comes all down to the developers and their talent to utilize the tools and power of the pro. Sony's first party studios and developers always made games that looked and played amazing with different options to play and with VRR, RT,etc. But it was always the 3rd party games that needed major improvements. Since I feel Sony's first party developers are more talented imo. Hopefully most, if not,all games take advantage of the pro's potential.
Not my experience at all, the best looking game I've ever seen on a console and buttery smooth.
Where did I say it's not the best looking game? I said it's not a day and night difference to the old PS5. The old PS5 was already looking awesome!
Id be more inclined to report the ridiculous shimmering/flickering that silent hill 2, jedi survivour, star wars outlaws, alan wake 2 are showing, they look horrible, yet not seeing anyone on youtube point this out.
Silent Hill 2 Remake hasn't got it's Pro patch yet. The performance is much better though in both quality and performance modes. Performance mode in it's trouble spots are now 60fps or within the VRR range. So when a PS5 Pro patch does come out. You should be getting a higher looking resolution and these performance improvements.
@@WllKiedSnake I hope youe right because to me, it looks worse on the pro, same as outlaws and jedi survivour, the games that have had patches do look miles better so ive fingers crossed, tbh its abit bad to advertise as pro enhanced when they are not, cayses alot of confusion and unfortunately, alot of aggression from certain people for pointing negatives out that are clearly there.
@mnormansell1984 Just Silent Hill 2 Remake isn't Pro Enhanced. Right now it's just the Pro brute forcing it to run run better and it does. But something is wrong with image quality. Possibly it's a unfinished version of a Pro version they are working on and it automatically kicks in on Pro. But yeah! Image quality is worse, but performance is much better. Star Wars Outlaws isn't Pro patched yet either right? It's still FSR2 with a dynamic res. So all the Pro is doing is running it at a higher resolution. And Jedi Survivor I've heard AO on vegetation doesn't display properly. That game always has these odd graphical effects. I'm still waiting for someone to show FF16 off. It's now a higher fps and within the VRR range and the dynamic res should be higher. But nobody has shown it off properly yet.
@WllKiedSnake yeah ff16 wouod be interesting to see, ive nit played it ut my friends said he was blown away with the game's story, might be ine to play at some point
@mnormansell1984 I want to see Ghost Wire Tokyo as it has so many modes to mess with. Pro should help out with that game. Stranger of Paradise as it can dip fps wise and VRR has always been needed to help out and Resident Evil 2 Remake and Resi 3 Remakes PS5 port in the resolution mode with RT on. Those two games can't hold 60fps in resolution mode with RT on. Goes below the VRR range often. Pro should solve that.
where the 4K120？
About 120.000 total views in two days that's insane m8. Keep up the amszing work
this guy loves PlayStation I'm subbed to this channel I will get PS5 PRO later due some problems and bills. Great video. I will sell my PS5 and get the PRO.
The pro isn't using fsr. Its using a better anti aliasing and uspscaling solution all together
this is up to the game not the pro, the pro has the PSSR but every game won't necessarily use that, FW does not
@Dezzyyx exactly
Strange I have the same tv as you lg g2 and I notified increase sharpness and better shadows. Lost ?
I too noticed improved sharpness and I meantioned this in my video.
This is what I was saying we need to have Games. Zen 2 CPU launched 2019 so it is 5 years old now. Sony want to milk this gen 4 more years so that’s why they drop PS 5 Pro on the market. New Xbox will be Zen 6 and Rdna 5 probably. If they will do it that will be a masssive jump. 3 generations jump in hardware that’s massive. With upcoming games on the system and opening for steam that could be crazy.
i paid $0 for my ps5 pro, traded in my ps5 and xbox series x totaling $820 store credit at gamestop. I paid nothing and still had $60 left over on my gift card:)
And yet digital foundry said the pro made FW the best looking game out currently. Strange. Wonder what they saw differently
I realy don't know what kind of problem some guys have. I play on a PS5 Pro on a 120hz Vrr TV in 40fps Mode and the step forward is absoluty awsome, same with Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman or Last of us 1 and 2😊
Base ps5 games in performance mode still look amazing to me. Think i will stick with that until ps6
I think we have to wait what the Future brings. In the End the Pro has more raw Graphic / Performance Power than the Base Ps5 and I am pretty sure that you will see difference in the Upcoming Games. To give a full Review or Judge the Pro after just a few Days and Games is quite stupid. The Game Developers must find the right tools to use this Power and Iam pretty sure they will use this in the Future to see results in a bigger Picture. The PSSR Upscaling seems very powerful to Boost existing and upcoming Games. Sorry my English is limited
What the hell there is no fucking differences
im looking forward to see the final fantasy rebirth comparison. no more vaseline filter
Already done 😉
Night and day, first game I downloaded on mine and it’s transformative. I gave up on it originally when it came out, it looked horrible in performance mode, and the framerate wasn’t even stable.. now? It looks nice and sharp, they fixed a bunch of the low res textures, and it’s buttery smooth 60FPS.
Oh yeah that Vaseline Effect was a absolute NoGo for me so i didnt play it after my Pre Order of the Game. Now after 9 Month i can finaly play it without gettin Headache. I think at the Moment, FF Rebirth is one of the Games who get the best Benefits from the Pro Version.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam does the ps5 pro comes with a horizontal stand? 🤔
Why are you comparing performance mode compare high quality mode
Digital foundry say that hfw a technical masterpiece is on ps5 pro!!!
Find your mistake
Ok. And where did I mention that this is not the case? I clearly meantioned that the Pro version is sharper and has a better picture. What you need to understands is that the old PS5 has also a very good IQ. There is not a day and night difference between old PS5 and PS5 Pro!
@GamingTech-TH-cam that's correct ,hzd remastered is a hugh upgrade on ps5 pro, test this by the time
@@whitewolf1054 I noticed that Zero Dawn Remaster doesn't look as good as Forbidden West in different ways. Forbidden West has a lot of little touches here and there that are higher quality than even the Zero Dawn Remaster.
Agreed bro, PS5 Pro "Find your mistake" this console are fail. All enhanced games running 4K 30fps with blurry image, better in PS5 then PS5 Pro. Why? PSSR is like testing technology in PS5 Pro, turn on PSSR get blurry image and same fps with PS5 no blurry image without PSSR.
This why Xbox not make refresh console like PS5, PS5 Pro are fail product, we can see PS5 Pro market will drop. Not what I think before release, I think PS5 Pro will running 4K 60fps in fidelity mode, and can running Cyberpunk 4K 60fps ray tracing on, but the fact all same like PS5 👎
@@vtg1800 br😐
What's most noticeable when you buy the PS5 Pro is your bank account... 😂
Higher resolution graphics or higher resolution bank account? 😁
You're bank account. The only thing I notice is how great it looks on my huge tv 😂😂
I think I will treat myself to a 30th anniversary controller instead, cuz my right bumper is squeaky. The pro can kiss my ass lmao
I bought one now sue me kid.
Not when you still have over 11k in ur bank account.
The performance pro looks much cleaner and sharper when looking into the distance. At least on my screen using LG C1.
Hey man, first off really like your content keep up the good work but this is really quite bizarre. I watched the digital foundry video and John Linneman stated the performance mode on the PS5 pro was the best image quality he'd ever seen on a console and was better than the fidelity mode, Guerilla themselves even said they went all out on the performance mode on the pro. The base PS5 runs the performance mode at checkerboard 1800p, there's no way that levels with the fidelity mode having played the game extensively in that mode myself so something has to be up here.
FSR on this game? without ghosting is imposible must be a Decima Engine reescalator for sure.
The PS5 Pro should have been the base PS5. "Pro" means professional, so it doesn’t make sense to label a console as "Pro"-it’s not a phone. Professional gamers play on PCs, not consoles. Come on Sony...