It has already been confirmed in an interview that this is not in the past or in the future, the shadow lands are a place that was once physically connected with the lands between but was separated for lore reasons that we will discover during the DLC. so goodbye world of the dead theories or miquella's dream, miyazaki said that the veil in the sky would be a representation of Marika hiding the shadow lands from the rest of the world. it was pointed out by some people seeing the throne that Messmer sits on that it is a throne identical to the thrones of the demigods in Lyendell and Miyazaki said that Messmer also sat next to the other demigods as an equal, remember that old theory that the three butterflies of the game represented the children of Marika and Radagon? Now we know who the fire butterfly represented
Yes, but I think it's a similar concept to Bloodborne dlc, which is really neat because it isn't the past. It's a dream. But it's also a dream/prison realm that relates to the past, and figures from the past. Considering this DLC is where Marika first stepped foot, and Miquella is following in her footsteps, the idea of elements of the past being in the present is very much there for us to infer
That same girl was shown in an Elden Ring's previous Trailer (I don't remember which one), and she was using a Flower Spell (that didn't came to the game in the final version). So I guess this is not Roderika. Sorry for the bad english, hope you can understand.
Can't wait for the DLC to release and for Messmer the Impaler to be one of the middle bosses and something completely unexpected blows us all out the water at the end of the game.
honestly getting more Morgott vibes from Messmer than Malenia. He's too upfront about being a story boss. I doubt we'll hear about the secret harder-than-Malenia boss until the tenth new item description or something lol
From the tradition of the past dlc trailers. I think the lion dance boss is gonna be the real first boss. They showed him first and story wise and strenght wise, I think it wouldn't be logical for Messmer to be the very first boss in the dlc. Plus they said there's gonna be a powerscaling similar to sekiro, so imagine they nerf us to some extent and put us right against him, we get clapped because we're basically lvl1 in the shadow lands and later Messmer is more like the equivalent to lady Maria when we get back our strenght, perhaps guarding the gate to the final area. But he's most definitely NOT the final boss. The music we hear is tho. They have ALWAYS used their final boss theme in trailers with the sole exception being Ludwig's theme since his theme was by far the most powerful
I've posed this question to a few other ER lore channels, but do you think we'll get any Gloam Eyed Queen info in this DLC? My working theory is that assuming we're following Marika's rise to godhood, that should include her/Maliketh's defeat of the Gloam Eyed Queen and I think Marika's manipulation of the Elden Ring by taking out the Rune of Death is what caused the area that is the shadow lands today to be removed from the Lands Between and everyone who was there to be trapped including the Gloam Eyed Queen. And when we get there in game is hundreds of years after all that stuff happened.
@@Wraff oh definitely like Ringed City, no one saw all that coming. I'm fully prepared to be wrong and I'm good with that. I'm just tryna guess at stuff we didn't see in the trailer but might be there regardless cuz Fromsoft aren't gonna show us everything. Miyazaki even said there's a hidden boss on par with Malenia and idk if it's Messmer...like Lady Maria was on the cover of Old Hunters but Orphan was the real challenge.
The person standing (and talking)at the beginning is named Rico I believe, not Melina. He's a character that was cut from the base game and his whole deal was he used dreams to find secrets.
There's the nascent butterfly which symbolizes miquella, the aeonian butterfly which is malenias and now we know who the smoldering butterfly is for. Mesmer
Ranni tends to speak with a very soft, breathy voice vs. this voice is quite abrupt and intense. That said, if it is Welsh, the Carians tend to have that accent. Perhaps someone new from that group
For sure the person saying ''Come now. Touch the withered arm, and travel to the realm of shadow. I will not be far behind. May we meet again'' is Miquella. Also the whole butterfly theory still has some truth, the one missing is the owner of the fire butterfly and now we have a red hair fire dude who has a name with ''M'' just like Malenia and Miquella. Mmmmm... 🤔
Since there are countless references to the Berserk manga and that Miquella is compared to Griffith, I wouldn't be surprised that Miquella and Messmer are the same person (just like Godfrey is actually Hoara Loux). Since Miquella is inside an egg in the Mogh arena (the long arm we have to touch to get in the dlc looks like Messmer's arms), just like Griffit when he morphs to Femto, maybe Miquella will already be in the egg and our presence will wake him up in the form of Messmer... And when we'll have beaten Messmer, Miquella's arm will have disappeared from the Mohg arena.
Call me crazy, but I can't shake the feeling that she sounds different for some reason. Not at all saying it's bad or good or anything like that... I just have this uncanny valley feeling like I'm hearing her pitched lower than usual, deeper or SOMETHING. As an AV/production guy, this is purely "am I tweaking or is anyone else noticing it too?" -- odd observations aside, I'm a fan and have nothing but appreciation for your content & enthusiasm. Favorite Elden Ring lore enjoyer to follow-- I'm just wondering why the audio here sounds different than in the First Playthrough videos @_@
Oh yeah I do, I decided at the very last minute to wake up to watch the trailer and get ready, so literally 15 minutes before this I had been asleep. I have HUGE sleepy voice hahahaha
@@Wraff thank you ‼️ that "detail" was driving me disproportionately nuts because it was like noticing "continuity errors" in film releases but comparing scenes isn't enough to pinpoint what was different. Editor's monkey mind
While I kept some of the initial thoughts in this video, here's the full breakdown video:
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"New! Flowers! ... We're gonna get sucked! Finally! ... Feet!"
"We're gonna get sucked! Finally" sounded like a quote from lone boys
Her love life seems sad so far.
head, finally! 😅
@@Thelaretus I'm sure yours even sadder
@@Dr.HooWho YEP I've recently gone through a tough breakup with the love of my life and I can't get over it. Pray for me.
Wraff got a jump scare from PEGI 16.
I was scared for the children who can't play yet 😔
@@Wraffbetter than being flash-banged by Bandai Namco.
That pegi 16 sound was the most terrifying than serosh's roar
It’s scary when Pegi turns 16 😱
"Everyone with red hair in this entire videogame can be traced back to one horny dude"
Definetly one of my favorite quotes.
"Yes! Kick! Kickkk!". Ah Yes, the most insightful and deep commentary, just as we have come to expect from Wraff
HYYYYYYAAAAAA!!!!
It has already been confirmed in an interview that this is not in the past or in the future, the shadow lands are a place that was once physically connected with the lands between but was separated for lore reasons that we will discover during the DLC. so goodbye world of the dead theories or miquella's dream, miyazaki said that the veil in the sky would be a representation of Marika hiding the shadow lands from the rest of the world. it was pointed out by some people seeing the throne that Messmer sits on that it is a throne identical to the thrones of the demigods in Lyendell and Miyazaki said that Messmer also sat next to the other demigods as an equal, remember that old theory that the three butterflies of the game represented the children of Marika and Radagon? Now we know who the fire butterfly represented
Yes, but I think it's a similar concept to Bloodborne dlc, which is really neat because it isn't the past. It's a dream. But it's also a dream/prison realm that relates to the past, and figures from the past. Considering this DLC is where Marika first stepped foot, and Miquella is following in her footsteps, the idea of elements of the past being in the present is very much there for us to infer
WE FINALLY HAVE THE CRUCIBLE KNIGHT WING ATTACK LES GOOOOOOOO
I think the butterfly spell girl is Roderika with a blue hood instead of red, and that makes me happy
That same girl was shown in an Elden Ring's previous Trailer (I don't remember which one), and she was using a Flower Spell (that didn't came to the game in the final version). So I guess this is not Roderika.
Sorry for the bad english, hope you can understand.
It's not
Can't wait for the DLC to release and for Messmer the Impaler to be one of the middle bosses and something completely unexpected blows us all out the water at the end of the game.
That’s almost what I was thinking, I think an adult Miquella is going to be the final boss
New ending too
honestly getting more Morgott vibes from Messmer than Malenia. He's too upfront about being a story boss. I doubt we'll hear about the secret harder-than-Malenia boss until the tenth new item description or something lol
He's likely an early boss since From rarely, if at all, shows off the final DLC boss in their DLC trailers.
From the tradition of the past dlc trailers. I think the lion dance boss is gonna be the real first boss. They showed him first and story wise and strenght wise, I think it wouldn't be logical for Messmer to be the very first boss in the dlc. Plus they said there's gonna be a powerscaling similar to sekiro, so imagine they nerf us to some extent and put us right against him, we get clapped because we're basically lvl1 in the shadow lands and later Messmer is more like the equivalent to lady Maria when we get back our strenght, perhaps guarding the gate to the final area. But he's most definitely NOT the final boss. The music we hear is tho. They have ALWAYS used their final boss theme in trailers with the sole exception being Ludwig's theme since his theme was by far the most powerful
I also have the hots for Messmer. I hate that hot redheads are my thing.
I don't know why I was wired this way but WE ARE EATING GOOD
your passion is so contagious
I am about to do a full on karate pvp build
Oh man i truly cannot wait for kick
He is a son of Marika, it was confirmed by Miyazaki on an interview.
Yep, found this out shortly after this!
im guessing he's similar to "nameless king" type of figure, outcast individual
In an interview, Miyazaki did say that Messmer the Impaler (the redhead in the trailer) is a child of Marika, so you are basically correct!
I've posed this question to a few other ER lore channels, but do you think we'll get any Gloam Eyed Queen info in this DLC? My working theory is that assuming we're following Marika's rise to godhood, that should include her/Maliketh's defeat of the Gloam Eyed Queen and I think Marika's manipulation of the Elden Ring by taking out the Rune of Death is what caused the area that is the shadow lands today to be removed from the Lands Between and everyone who was there to be trapped including the Gloam Eyed Queen. And when we get there in game is hundreds of years after all that stuff happened.
Miyazaki did say that this dlc will talk about Marika's past, so we could definitely have some info in that regard
I definitely think some hints of the past are likely, but it's Fromsoft, so what we get will likely be not what we expect!
@@Wraff oh definitely like Ringed City, no one saw all that coming. I'm fully prepared to be wrong and I'm good with that. I'm just tryna guess at stuff we didn't see in the trailer but might be there regardless cuz Fromsoft aren't gonna show us everything. Miyazaki even said there's a hidden boss on par with Malenia and idk if it's Messmer...like Lady Maria was on the cover of Old Hunters but Orphan was the real challenge.
Vaati broke down some of the lore from this trailer, his take on it is very interesting
I think that deathblight boss is one of the huge wormfaces wearing some kind of beastman omen taxidermied skin as armor
it does look like some "creature" under the beastman.. remind me of chinese lion dance type of thing.
I've never seen a human so extremely excited about a swamp.
"BROOO WHAT IS EVEN THATTT???" 😂😂😂
The person standing (and talking)at the beginning is named Rico I believe, not Melina. He's a character that was cut from the base game and his whole deal was he used dreams to find secrets.
I’M SO EXCITED FOR MIQUELLAAAA
" I finally gonna be sucked, yeahh"
We’re so back!
Do you think the DLC will be about Meachala?
Do you always only troll?
Idk why but that spelling makes me hungry
@@Wraff mozza stix
Glad to know I wasn't the only one going apeshit to use "Aspect of the Crucible: Wings". This expansion looks immaculate.
8:16 that thing looked like a bunch of Omen grafted together, similar to lion dancers in asia
Thirsting after Messmer lol XD
my favorite reaction to this amazing trailer!
Messmer is a one of the Marika-Radagon's children, but his story, his throne and he himself was deleted from the history of Demigods.
10:27 this feels like a boss with sleep power
There's the nascent butterfly which symbolizes miquella, the aeonian butterfly which is malenias and now we know who the smoldering butterfly is for. Mesmer
Why not watch Wraff being absolutely overwhelmed one more time? No reason not to!
Wraff: TAKE ME 1:18
Me: Country roads, take me home🎶
To the place I belong 🎶
West Virginia, mountain mama 🎶
Take me home, country roads 🎶
i really like your passion about this game and lore, nice to see
Ranni’s voice at the end. I’m convinced. Same Welsh twang
Ranni tends to speak with a very soft, breathy voice vs. this voice is quite abrupt and intense. That said, if it is Welsh, the Carians tend to have that accent. Perhaps someone new from that group
This whole reaction was nothing but pure gold. I was dying the whole time, amazing. 1:47 especially destroyed me
This is what happens when you edge an Elden Ring fan for too long.
"...yeah!!!...feet!!!!!!..."😂❤
Wraff 30 years old getting hyped
"... I'd have 2 nickles.." Well you know what? You aren't nearly enough woman for the scourge of stars anyways.
The bad guy was Messmer the Impaler one of Miquella's evil brothers apparently.
If he's bad I don't want to be good tbh
@@Wraff ahahahahahahahahahaha
well now we know this Messmer is your crush.
I have always reliably got my elden ring lore from The Amazing Wraff.
1 more addition to the Crucible Knight build
For sure the person saying ''Come now. Touch the withered arm, and travel to the realm of shadow. I will not be far behind. May we meet again'' is Miquella.
Also the whole butterfly theory still has some truth, the one missing is the owner of the fire butterfly and now we have a red hair fire dude who has a name with ''M'' just like Malenia and Miquella. Mmmmm... 🤔
1:47 finally XD
FLOWERS! new!! TAKE ME !!! xD ma'm calm down
Never :D
Best Reaction Ever!!!! Hahahhahaaa
i would say she is overreacting if i wouldnt act te same watching this
I want to know why the subtitle was set to arabic for everyone🤣
Yes, I read descriptions.
Nothing to do with this, but are you aware of the Netflix A:TLA controversy.
iS tHaT sErOsH?!?!!
WE CAN FLY NOW XD
Legit reaction
Since there are countless references to the Berserk manga and that Miquella is compared to Griffith, I wouldn't be surprised that Miquella and Messmer are the same person (just like Godfrey is actually Hoara Loux). Since Miquella is inside an egg in the Mogh arena (the long arm we have to touch to get in the dlc looks like Messmer's arms), just like Griffit when he morphs to Femto, maybe Miquella will already be in the egg and our presence will wake him up in the form of Messmer... And when we'll have beaten Messmer, Miquella's arm will have disappeared from the Mohg arena.
Call me crazy, but I can't shake the feeling that she sounds different for some reason. Not at all saying it's bad or good or anything like that... I just have this uncanny valley feeling like I'm hearing her pitched lower than usual, deeper or SOMETHING. As an AV/production guy, this is purely "am I tweaking or is anyone else noticing it too?" -- odd observations aside, I'm a fan and have nothing but appreciation for your content & enthusiasm. Favorite Elden Ring lore enjoyer to follow-- I'm just wondering why the audio here sounds different than in the First Playthrough videos @_@
Oh yeah I do, I decided at the very last minute to wake up to watch the trailer and get ready, so literally 15 minutes before this I had been asleep. I have HUGE sleepy voice hahahaha
@@Wraff thank you ‼️ that "detail" was driving me disproportionately nuts because it was like noticing "continuity errors" in film releases but comparing scenes isn't enough to pinpoint what was different. Editor's monkey mind
FEET!
Great video.
I`m all for a great and excited reaction and i am excited aswell, but this reaction seemed kinda too much and not really sincere.