@@CloudDefensive You're welcome I'm building a new AR and will be running a Rein and I'll be switching out my Surefire 300s once you drop your pistol light also.
If this light could use 123s and a 5-10 lumen low mode, I’d be knocking down your door to buy 5 of them. Simple UI, good candela, and smaller diameter is a great start. Keep up the good work!
Will this have multiple brightness modes? I use my duty light on full blast occasionally when I need it. The majorly of the time it’s on medium or low talking to people, taking notes, etc. I would love to replace my duty light with this to get its horsepower but if I can’t run it for hours a night on a lower output as a task light I can’t really see that happening.
Looking forward to a model with different modes, especially if you can figure out a way to always have instant access to both the lowest and the highest.
@@morganfish9263 I decided to go with the 18650 edc head. 40k candela is still wicked powerful and the spill will be much more usable vs the hc head. Unfortunately, the od green is on backorder on their site
I love my micro HC.I got lucky . My local gun store carries your lights. It was good timing, because my surefire broke. I got the chicro in my edc bag and the micro HC in my pocket. I love the thyrum clip also.
And I will take at least one of each. I especially love that you all are based near me. I get to support a semi local business and buy some of the best on the market..
I'm interested and opted for the newsletter. I hope I can get an EDC version overseas. The FAQ about battery usage on the 18650 is a bit vague and I get there are lots of different types but couldn't you just give the measurements of what fits in your lights to prevent buying too long batteries that won't fit? Even if you'll release it next year, the site from the link in the description should be visible on your main page either as upcoming product in the drop down menu or on the main page when scrolling. Having a few power modes to use, also one just to read something without being too bright from reflective surfaces would be nice. The different protectors are great. I'll stay tuned.
Ok so only one major flaw that I see...there is no admin mode for stuff like looking at a license or looking at the labels in the breaker box, etc. The Surefire gas pedal is a phenomenal feature not just for LE but for EDC use. I was holding off on buying a Surefire because I knew CD was working on something, but now that I know it's going to essentially be a pocket spotlight I find myself leaning towards Surefire again. I could of course carry a capable keychain light with a 5 lumen mode, but it would still be nice to have your edc light be capable of switching from admin to threat assessment at the drop of a hat.
Olight makes a light called the warrior x3 that looks basically like this but better. With zirconium beads embedded in the bezel for shattering glass. But it's a little bigger for the pocket but it comes with a holster
@@hudsonhayer9376 not going to tell you what to do, but I will never buy another Olight again. I’ve owned 6. I’ve had the s1r, s2r, i3e eos, m1t, and two i3Ts. The issue is they don’t hold up. The S2R lasted me the longest. A little over 6 months before the light head decided to crap out. It would only flicker. Like it was stuck in strobe mode. Dealt with Olights customer service and they sent me a new head. Took like 10 weeks to get to me. So I bought the m1t while I was waiting. It didn’t even make it to when the new head for the s2r came in. It had the exact same problem. The S1R and all of the AAA lights ended up getting lost. The i3E fell off my keychain. Literally unscrewed itself from the tailcap. Both of the i3Ts had they pocket clips break on me and they ended up falling out of my pocket at some point. I think the S1R got magnetized to the door of my truck as I climbed out. That happened several times. The seatbelt would snag the pocket clips when I took it off and would sling the light over to where it would get stuck on the door frame. I think I just failed to notice it this last time. TLDR; Get a streamlight or a surefire if you can afford that. The stream lights are the same price and are much better built.
@@robertdean7778 lmfao🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well sucks for you. I haven't had a problem out of any of mine. And OLight has the best customer service I have ever dealt with. But you can always try a astrolux,emisar,thru nite, I mean its plenty out there. But I will stick with what is working
I get what you mean. But sometimes for threat its a give me all the light now. Good thing capitalism gives us options. Have this and a task light or go surefire.
I used to carry the e2d that had two stages but found it cycled to the low setting when i didnt want it to. I switched to a single-output malkoff head and found myself just pointing at celings to light up any close work where id rather not blind myself.
@@CloudDefensive , Thank you very much for the reply. I'll be ordering as soon as they are available. I appreciate the products you folks bring to the market. Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.
I didn't see anything on the webpage about the tailcap activation methods/switchology. Will it be a clicky tailcap (half-press momentary, full-press constant) or a momentary only switch with a twist for constant? I'd prefer the latter, even though the ND caps would probably serve well enough to protect against the old Hot Pocket.
While I appreciate the attempt, I need multiple levels. The reason I'm still using my hlx is high/strobe/low. I never use strobe, but low is very commonly used. High only while sounds cool isn't practical.
I dont. I either want it on, or not. Less to go wrong, less bs. I don't want a light i have to smack on something everytime i need it lit, or flickers and goes out because of a bad connection.
@@randymagnum143 If I need a light to melt someones face off from across the block, then thats understandable. But as an edc, not having a low mode is questionable. Wish they allowed it so you could go directly into a low or high mode.
Runtime is listed in the article they linked in the video description. For 18650s, 90 minutes for the 30K candela head, 80 minutes for the 60K xandela head. About 30-35 mins for 18350s.
I wish the announcement was earlier... I literally just took delivery today of my Modlight PLHV2 handheld for LE work. That was the best going till now. I prefer this... but already dumped almost $400 into the modlight with clip and holster. Sucks.
Are you guys looking into making weapon lights not just for rifles but for pistols, I like the innovation you guys put out and pretty interesting name for a company that makes stuff for tactical applications
They're working on a pistol light, well 2 pistol lights (standard size and compact size). They've posted some teaser stuff on their Instagram page in the past.
Ah darn, he didn't cover dual output. Nice light... Gotta have one. I was leaning towards the EDC but since the EDC and HC will have the dual output option, I think I'm going with HC/DO because I can always run it on low when I don't need maximum output.
Can this help punch through vapor? I have to open and look into large tanks at work. Some have vapor or dust/powder clouds. All are dark. Seeing to the bottom is always a problem. I also use my light as a pointer because it’s hard to chase a dot sometimes when I’m showing people what to look at. Is the beam adjustable? The output sounds impressive. How is battery life?
This really looks like you have solved a lot of problems that exist right now with the Thyrm and handheld tactical/EDC lights. I use the Thyrm on a Surefire Fury which is nice when mounted on your kit but way to big for EDC. Streamlight makes smaller lights but their tail cap design just doesn't operate well with the Thyrm and their lights aren't as durable as a Surefire. But this light being smaller, with a more powerful beam and having adjustable heights on the tailcap along with being rechargeable at a surprisingly low price point almost seems too good to be true. I am excited to get one. I know the non-tactical crowd may not appreciate the Thyrm Switchback but it's probably just because they don't understand it. Is this Switchback made specifically for the CD light or do you use one of the current Switchback models? I have broken a couple Thyrms' in the past where the finger ring snaps together either by rolling over them on the ground or from pulling them out of a pouch to many times. They are such an advantage to have on a light though, so I just always keep a couple spare ones on hand.
Thank you sir! And no battery jack in this one as it’s not needed. That Battery Jack also adds length to the system and with this particular product we knew we needed to keep this as short as possible.
I think this is still a bit too thick for an EDC light, especially one carried in a pocket - could you create something with a 25mm head, and a more smooth body profile? It's massive compared to a Zebralight SC64 (also 18650).
This would be perfect if there was a low mode. Maybe like 10-50 lumens? It would be perfect for just regular activities where you would need a flashlight, like reading a sign or looking for your keys at night. And then you see something suspicious and with a push of a button you have a beam that comes straight from the hand of god.
@@CloudDefensive I know, I saw the Instagram post. I love that you guys listened to customer demand. Definitely buying a rifle light as well as the MCH
I'm late to the video. But, I have the full size with the EDC Dual head. Increible light. I also have a Rein 1.0, 2.0, and an OWL, Can't wait for the pistol light.
Do you guys take ideas and protypes from outside sources?, because I have a light design that I believe will redefine how we use pistol wml's, im in the process of making a 3D model of the light. I would greatly appreciate a response, I love the lights you guys make
New to Cloud Defense. Just got the EDC single output version. Checked Cloud's website but didn't see heads sold separately. Getting the impression this is a new product line. Are heads available separately yet?
@@focusonthefocus Thanks for that - your right - LOL. However, I was perhaps unclear in saying it would be great to get extra heads - in this case the MCH HC single output. Being to able 'configure' the light at time of purchase is good ... but so is swapping heads in case of needs changes or equipment failures.
Is there run time data for the low modes featured on the dual output heads in both the full size and micro variations? On the site I only see what I believe are high mode run times. Curious to know what kind of battery life and run times I should expect if low mode is what I’ll mostly be utilizing. Thanks!
I love your lights, but to be fair to other companies; foursevens has already made a light with an "ND protector". The quark comes with a tailstand cap that is a little attachment you can add to the tail cap similiar to how yours works. Also I own similar products from Lumens Factory for Surefire tail caps.
Would this head mount on to 18650 weapon mounted bodies ? The price point is actually incredible compared to the enormous amount of money other companies are charging for handhelds. Im definitely ordering one. Great job!
Was excited for this but no low mode on the light instantly removes it from edc category. Some nice features but nothing that can make up for this huge error.
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Can’t wait. I’m definitely getting two different configurations according to my needs and I’m really happy I’ll be able to do so.
Really looking forward to getting my hands on one. Would love to see some moonshine models at launch!
We NEED beamshots and comparisons! Nice work by the way. 👍
That's coming soon!
This is why I waited for your light compared to modlite
Thank you sir!
@@CloudDefensive You're welcome I'm building a new AR and will be running a Rein and I'll be switching out my Surefire 300s once you drop your pistol light also.
@@Monz117 😂
@Monz117 Have to wait and see until then I'll keep running my X300
Best light ive ever owned
Please make a flesh-light next.
:3
The Thyrm clip would be nice to have a neodymium magnet and flat part so if you need to set it on something it can be hands free
If this light could use 123s and a 5-10 lumen low mode, I’d be knocking down your door to buy 5 of them. Simple UI, good candela, and smaller diameter is a great start. Keep up the good work!
And yet another HUGE home run from you guys! Damn it, my whole house is going to be packed with Cloud lights!
You guys are KILLIN IT!!! Such a GREAT company and you build phenomenal products that JUST WORK! Keep it up!!! Can't wait to try this thing!
Thank you!
Will this have multiple brightness modes? I use my duty light on full blast occasionally when I need it. The majorly of the time it’s on medium or low talking to people, taking notes, etc. I would love to replace my duty light with this to get its horsepower but if I can’t run it for hours a night on a lower output as a task light I can’t really see that happening.
Oh my goodness, I'm so excited!! I just found out about this light. I have 2 rein lights that are bad ass!
Wish this was around during black Friday 😭 not within my budget atm to get new stuff. I'm hoping you guys come with IR illuminator soon
So excited. I’ve been one of the people asking for this.
Can't wait to release it for everyone!
Can’t wait!! Probably will start with EDC config than get the other!
Looking forward to a model with different modes, especially if you can figure out a way to always have instant access to both the lowest and the highest.
Beam shots at various distances would help greatly for the thousands of people that haven't yet purchased.
Hint, hint
100%. Was really surprised they didn’t have this on the website. Can find any pics or videos of it anywhere either!
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@@morganfish9263 I decided to go with the 18650 edc head. 40k candela is still wicked powerful and the spill will be much more usable vs the hc head. Unfortunately, the od green is on backorder on their site
Awesome! I did the same thing actually. Snagged one of the moonshine specials
This is hard too beat
This looks like a soild light very excited about this
Definitely interested in getting one after seeing the performance of the Rein.
Looks like an awesome edc. I'll definitely pick one up once they're available
Thank you for the support!
Excited to get my hands on one
Looks great. Love the concept.
Thank you!
Outstanding!! Looking forward to the release and getting one. Keep up the amazing work and Happy New Years
I own the MCH and I love it. However, I carry the SureFire Stilleto Pro. The profile is great for ccw.
when will the CD whisk(e)y glasses be available 🙏🏻 - can't wait to pick up an MCH
Great Job Guys! I ❤️ Your Products!
Carry On
Great video, I'm excited about this new light, Is packed with good features
Excited to snag one of these! Love my REIN.
Just ordered, pumped to get it
I love my micro HC.I got lucky . My local gun store carries your lights. It was good timing, because my surefire broke. I got the chicro in my edc bag and the micro HC in my pocket. I love the thyrum clip also.
Looking forward to seeing the deep carry clip
pushing the limits as always lets gooooooooo!
Lol I love it. “It’s capable of a lot” enough said.
And I will take at least one of each. I especially love that you all are based near me. I get to support a semi local business and buy some of the best on the market..
Thanks for the support!
@@CloudDefensive quick question. Are there any plans to ever make an Mlok mount for the Rein remote switch?
I'm local to them as well. Sure would be great if they would allow us to do a local pickup!
Bourbon? Light looks good!!
I’d like to see a comparison between the full-size and the micro before I purchase.
I'm interested and opted for the newsletter. I hope I can get an EDC version overseas. The FAQ about battery usage on the 18650 is a bit vague and I get there are lots of different types but couldn't you just give the measurements of what fits in your lights to prevent buying too long batteries that won't fit? Even if you'll release it next year, the site from the link in the description should be visible on your main page either as upcoming product in the drop down menu or on the main page when scrolling. Having a few power modes to use, also one just to read something without being too bright from reflective surfaces would be nice. The different protectors are great. I'll stay tuned.
Well done. I want one.
Ok so only one major flaw that I see...there is no admin mode for stuff like looking at a license or looking at the labels in the breaker box, etc. The Surefire gas pedal is a phenomenal feature not just for LE but for EDC use. I was holding off on buying a Surefire because I knew CD was working on something, but now that I know it's going to essentially be a pocket spotlight I find myself leaning towards Surefire again. I could of course carry a capable keychain light with a 5 lumen mode, but it would still be nice to have your edc light be capable of switching from admin to threat assessment at the drop of a hat.
Olight makes a light called the warrior x3 that looks basically like this but better. With zirconium beads embedded in the bezel for shattering glass. But it's a little bigger for the pocket but it comes with a holster
@@hudsonhayer9376 not going to tell you what to do, but I will never buy another Olight again. I’ve owned 6. I’ve had the s1r, s2r, i3e eos, m1t, and two i3Ts. The issue is they don’t hold up. The S2R lasted me the longest. A little over 6 months before the light head decided to crap out. It would only flicker. Like it was stuck in strobe mode. Dealt with Olights customer service and they sent me a new head. Took like 10 weeks to get to me. So I bought the m1t while I was waiting. It didn’t even make it to when the new head for the s2r came in. It had the exact same problem. The S1R and all of the AAA lights ended up getting lost. The i3E fell off my keychain. Literally unscrewed itself from the tailcap. Both of the i3Ts had they pocket clips break on me and they ended up falling out of my pocket at some point. I think the S1R got magnetized to the door of my truck as I climbed out. That happened several times. The seatbelt would snag the pocket clips when I took it off and would sling the light over to where it would get stuck on the door frame. I think I just failed to notice it this last time.
TLDR; Get a streamlight or a surefire if you can afford that. The stream lights are the same price and are much better built.
@@robertdean7778 lmfao🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well sucks for you. I haven't had a problem out of any of mine. And OLight has the best customer service I have ever dealt with. But you can always try a astrolux,emisar,thru nite, I mean its plenty out there. But I will stick with what is working
I get what you mean. But sometimes for threat its a give me all the light now. Good thing capitalism gives us options. Have this and a task light or go surefire.
I used to carry the e2d that had two stages but found it cycled to the low setting when i didnt want it to. I switched to a single-output malkoff head and found myself just pointing at celings to light up any close work where id rather not blind myself.
1:32 docking, powerful.
Here, in Texas, my chief need for a handheld light is overcoming illegally tinted windows at night. If the EDC version can handle that, I'm on board.
It can overcome tint.
@@CloudDefensive , Thank you very much for the reply. I'll be ordering as soon as they are available. I appreciate the products you folks bring to the market. Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.
I didn't see anything on the webpage about the tailcap activation methods/switchology. Will it be a clicky tailcap (half-press momentary, full-press constant) or a momentary only switch with a twist for constant? I'd prefer the latter, even though the ND caps would probably serve well enough to protect against the old Hot Pocket.
Will you be releasing what LEDs are used? Some of us are flashlight nerds and that would be of interest to us
While I appreciate the attempt, I need multiple levels. The reason I'm still using my hlx is high/strobe/low. I never use strobe, but low is very commonly used. High only while sounds cool isn't practical.
I dont. I either want it on, or not. Less to go wrong, less bs. I don't want a light i have to smack on something everytime i need it lit, or flickers and goes out because of a bad connection.
@@randymagnum143 If I need a light to melt someones face off from across the block, then thats understandable. But as an edc, not having a low mode is questionable. Wish they allowed it so you could go directly into a low or high mode.
Dram of whiskey. Love it.
Where pistol light
Working on it!
Carry an old maglite. It doubles as an aluminum baseball bat.
Will this have different light output modes - like a high/medium/low? Thanks.
Definitely picking one up when available. What was the expected battery run time? And I’m assuming it’s a rechargeable battery like your other lights?
Runtime is listed in the article they linked in the video description. For 18650s, 90 minutes for the 30K candela head, 80 minutes for the 60K xandela head. About 30-35 mins for 18350s.
moonlight or low modes?
I wish the announcement was earlier... I literally just took delivery today of my Modlight PLHV2 handheld for LE work. That was the best going till now. I prefer this... but already dumped almost $400 into the modlight with clip and holster. Sucks.
just return that shit bro 😆
@@andym9427 💯
PLEASE make that 1100 lumen 70k candela head compatible with the REIN, or at least have a version for it
The rein can easily have the emitter swapped by a good modder to pump those cd numbers
Just ordered one today!!
If y'all could make a vampire head option for the Rein, that would be fantastic
Are you guys looking into making weapon lights not just for rifles but for pistols, I like the innovation you guys put out and pretty interesting name for a company that makes stuff for tactical applications
@MatthewJay can’t wait
They're working on a pistol light, well 2 pistol lights (standard size and compact size). They've posted some teaser stuff on their Instagram page in the past.
Soon
What's the battery life on the low output mode? Been in situations where I definitely needed more than 2 hours of battery life in an edc light before
Ah darn, he didn't cover dual output.
Nice light... Gotta have one. I was leaning towards the EDC but since the EDC and HC will have the dual output option, I think I'm going with HC/DO because I can always run it on low when I don't need maximum output.
Power plant?
Light size compared to competitors?
Clip>thorntail
Interested to see the final product!
Also….. we need these pistol lights ASAP
Can this help punch through vapor? I have to open and look into large tanks at work. Some have vapor or dust/powder clouds. All are dark. Seeing to the bottom is always a problem. I also use my light as a pointer because it’s hard to chase a dot sometimes when I’m showing people what to look at. Is the beam adjustable? The output sounds impressive. How is battery life?
18650’s will last about 2 hours on the high output mode. 18350s average 40 minutes.
Depends on if you want the EDC version, or High Candela version.
EDC has more flood and a wider cone, HC has more throw and a brighter hotspot.
SOLD ON THE ND STUFF Every but end button light I’ve had turn on in my pocket cooked my leg by the time I really felt it
This really looks like you have solved a lot of problems that exist right now with the Thyrm and handheld tactical/EDC lights. I use the Thyrm on a Surefire Fury which is nice when mounted on your kit but way to big for EDC. Streamlight makes smaller lights but their tail cap design just doesn't operate well with the Thyrm and their lights aren't as durable as a Surefire. But this light being smaller, with a more powerful beam and having adjustable heights on the tailcap along with being rechargeable at a surprisingly low price point almost seems too good to be true. I am excited to get one. I know the non-tactical crowd may not appreciate the Thyrm Switchback but it's probably just because they don't understand it. Is this Switchback made specifically for the CD light or do you use one of the current Switchback models? I have broken a couple Thyrms' in the past where the finger ring snaps together either by rolling over them on the ground or from pulling them out of a pouch to many times. They are such an advantage to have on a light though, so I just always keep a couple spare ones on hand.
No battery Jack? Definitely like the 70Kcd option, any range estimates? 100-130 meters would be nice. Can’t wait, keep up the amazing work!
Thank you sir! And no battery jack in this one as it’s not needed. That Battery Jack also adds length to the system and with this particular product we knew we needed to keep this as short as possible.
Get a thyrm clip with a magnet so we can set it on something while working on stuff hands free
Gonna offer any belt mounted holsters for this?
Yep!
Any chance of a variation of a low, medium, and high output modes?
I think this is still a bit too thick for an EDC light, especially one carried in a pocket - could you create something with a 25mm head, and a more smooth body profile? It's massive compared to a Zebralight SC64 (also 18650).
Momentary only option?
Don’t push the button down all the way. At least, that’s how it works with the REIN.
Can’t wait
This would be perfect if there was a low mode. Maybe like 10-50 lumens? It would be perfect for just regular activities where you would need a flashlight, like reading a sign or looking for your keys at night. And then you see something suspicious and with a push of a button you have a beam that comes straight from the hand of god.
There is a dual output head that puts out approximately 10% output.
@@CloudDefensive I know, I saw the Instagram post. I love that you guys listened to customer demand. Definitely buying a rifle light as well as the MCH
Sweet love it
NEED CLOUD LIGHTS 🤤
I'm late to the video. But, I have the full size with the EDC Dual head. Increible light. I also have a Rein 1.0, 2.0, and an OWL, Can't wait for the pistol light.
Are these potted electronics?
Their rifle lights are, so I’d assume these are too.
I was really hoping you guys were going to make a light the size of the original rein.
just buy a Rein and dremel the mounting holes off hahah
@@Tarburz thinking about it…
Will the light be sold in ODG?
Yes
Now how can I take one of my weapon mounted reins and convert it into a handheld light?
Looks pretty good. Is there more than one mode of output or is it constant at 1100/1400 lumen?
it will be mine
Do you guys take ideas and protypes from outside sources?, because I have a light design that I believe will redefine how we use pistol wml's, im in the process of making a 3D model of the light.
I would greatly appreciate a response, I love the lights you guys make
We consult with a number of people. Shoot us an email and we'll reach out to you.
@@CloudDefensive Alright will do, thanks for the reply
My body is ready
based and flashiepilled
Nice
How many are y'all going to have in stock @ launch?
Hopefully thousands.
I didn't see on the table. Will you have this in clear anodized?
New to Cloud Defense. Just got the EDC single output version. Checked Cloud's website but didn't see heads sold separately. Getting the impression this is a new product line. Are heads available separately yet?
Pretty sure they ship with the light.
@@focusonthefocus Thanks for that - your right - LOL. However, I was perhaps unclear in saying it would be great to get extra heads - in this case the MCH HC single output. Being to able 'configure' the light at time of purchase is good ... but so is swapping heads in case of needs changes or equipment failures.
Is there a way to convert this light or talk in the future to be able to mount this light also?
Is there run time data for the low modes featured on the dual output heads in both the full size and micro variations? On the site I only see what I believe are high mode run times. Curious to know what kind of battery life and run times I should expect if low mode is what I’ll mostly be utilizing. Thanks!
I love your lights, but to be fair to other companies; foursevens has already made a light with an "ND protector". The quark comes with a tailstand cap that is a little attachment you can add to the tail cap similiar to how yours works. Also I own similar products from Lumens Factory for Surefire tail caps.
@Mike Byrne Yea, the owner of Prometheus flashlights bought the name so he could keep the brand alive because he was a big fan of their lights.
Will dual output heads still be available? Lately I have seen the option for dual outputs on the full size and micro MCH disappear from the site
Appropriate? I want to carry a damn lightsaber. 71,000 candela for me.
What the price ( ball park) going to be on something like this?
On their Instagram they said should be around $220
$199.99 on launch day, $219.99 after
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Would like to see clip on the 3 or 9 o'clock, in relation to finger ring, easier to cancel.
Whats the price on this thing?
$199.99 on launch day, $219.99 after.
I'm IN.....ODG PLEASE
It's coming in ODG
Would this head mount on to 18650 weapon mounted bodies ? The price point is actually incredible compared to the enormous amount of money other companies are charging for handhelds. Im definitely ordering one. Great job!
Was excited for this but no low mode on the light instantly removes it from edc category. Some nice features but nothing that can make up for this huge error.
They have a low mode. Dude. Jesus
Timing of release?
Supposed to be sometime in first quarter of 2022
What’s the msrp?
$199.99 at launch, $219.99 after.
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@@kevocaudillo4564 I think Mr. Webb knows what MSRP stands for.