Fulfilled Old Testament Prophecies??
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- Were prophecies in the Old Testament fulfilled in the New Testament? How did prophecies like the "virgin birth" or "suffering servant" get used in the New Testament? Dr. Stephen Cook explains.
For the full interview, click here: • The Book of Isaiah: An...
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Retrofitting the OT to support the NT, in other words “letting scripture interpret scripture” implies that the earlier scripture was deceitful. OK, it was, but my point is that apologists are destroying their own supposed foundation.
That answer lacked direction
Well, what was the conclusion between whether it meant young woman or a virgin?
"It means whatever you want it to mean, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff."
Almah could mean either, but in context, it meant young woman. The birth is treated too mundanely in Isaiah to mean virgin birth. I would guess that the young woman represented some political entity, since it is a discussion about the outcome of a war, but the reference is lost to us.
Usage of Almah in the OT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah
@R Wm In Bart Ehrman's book, Jesus, INTERRUPTED, he says that in hebrew there is an altogether different word for "virgin: that wasn't used. So Isaiah meant what he said when he said "young woman".
Baptist Boy Thank you. I remembered someone saying that, but I couldn’t remember who.
The Septuaginta translates "almah" as "virgin". The JPS Bible translates it as "young woman". Most modern Christian Bibles translate it as "virgin", but the NRSV translates it as "young woman".
Can you recommend a good source that shows how we know that redactors later edited the Bible?
For the NT, “Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman
Matthew uses virgin/parthenos because he had the Septuagint and that was how the Jews decided to translate almah when they translated it into Greek.
So if you believe the Bible, there were 2 virgin births, not one. Either there was a Virginia birth at the time of Isaiah, or it was a failed prophecy. Assuming there was a child born at that time, if you require the reading to be virgin, rather than young woman, there were 2 miraculous births. If that first Virginia birth hapoenned, then wouldn't he have been the Messiah?
This interview was somewhat confused and unclear. It is clear that Cook would like to defuse the issue but simply tossing the issue in the air and dismissing it doesn't work.
Well the child is ment be called Emmanuel so the Greek Testament doesn’t have anything to do with it
Strelec John David Have you ever translated Emmanuel?
Strelec John David Well if you Christians would be so blind actually spend time reading you would have realised that what is described in scriptures hasn’t happened.
Strelec John David No I’m calling the Greek Testament a hoax
Strelec John David It is you who is perverted hear with Greek Nonsense where the reality is that Christos hasn’t fulfilled even ONE prophecy and the Greek Testament has no foundation in Hebrew Scriptures what so ever it just a Flavian Propaganda
Strelec John David In the whole Anti Jewish hysteria that is common amongst Christians you missed the basic facts El is a Ugaritic deity and Jews Alphabet is a Phonecian in origins and the language is a reconstructed language meaning that basic words like Hebrew or Sabath and many other words are unlikely to be of Jewish Phonecian origins since the root words of this basic words has no meaning in Hebrew at all.
But you are free to prove wrong and brake down Emmanuel which word means “God”which is “with” and which “us”
I think the thumbnail is supposed to say 'a virgin will conceive.' (Not 'a virgin will be born.') ;-)
It saß a yiung Wogen is pregnant. The story was speaking about the present and not some fictitious future. It never was a prediction of a future event.
Prophecy is like having an open book test.
@Larry Cavalli
That really depends...
His last comments are right it’s all about a boy in the time of Ahaz and what would happen to Ahaz’s Syrian enemies, has nothing to do with a coming Jesus.
His last comments show how confused he is about the culture of that time...
Why, did the Jews keep reapplying a prophecy that had already been fulfilled?? This is what needs answering before you claim, the Prophecy is all about Ahaz time
@@ChristianLight1746 They made up stories so Jesus fit to prior stories. It is simple.
So they made up stories of the passage being messainic before Jesus walked the earth....
Isn't that what we call prophecy?
@@ChristianLight1746 Chrisians used their fan fiction to connected their dead cult leader to jewish scripture. They just said our dead cult leader fulfilled this and that and the other. As "evidence" they present a fan fiction story they just wrote.
A welcome change from the flawed interpretations of fundamentalist arguments
It seems as if the speaker concluded the texts have been redacted but made no argument for it. There is no consensus in any regard that it was redacted so it seems like a weird thing to assume. It seems as if his argument hinges on that. Am I understanding correctly?
There definitely is scholarly consensus that Isaiah went through stages of editorial redaction.
The word in question is definitely not bethulah which does mean virgin. And the "servant" is never implying the messianic figure. If there were nothing to hide, "Matthew" wouldn't have had to mangle Isaiah into "Esaias" when speaking about "John" the prophet immerser.
PS This speaker personifies the scattered professor meme. Not an awesome listen.
Sorry but get to the point already
Thanks for the clips! Can we get a video exploring who were the Hebrews according to the Bible?
First comment and like here
Why don't you interview Dr. Michael Brown on your channel? That would not be popular though, would it?
I don't think his two questions are that hard to answer. Why do you keep talking about Emmanuel even after the prophecy was fulfilled? Because if it is truly a successful prediction then it can be seen to legitimize the rest of Isaiah's message. Why keep reinterpreting the passage about Emmanuel? Because it lent the force of Isaiah's authority to the messages of the people doing the interpretation. This doesn't have to be deliberate, people can see in a text what they need to see.
Isaiah was talking about the present that one of the kings wife was pregnant. It had never anything to do with something a few hundred years in the future.
@@TorianTammas I agree it is clear Isaiah wasn't referring to an event centuries in the future. However because texts (especially religious ones) are ambiguous and people are motivated reasoners, they can see in it what they want to see and give the force of Isaiah's authority to their wish.
@@be1tube Especually when one looks for something to support once issue people can get quite creative.
I’m learning new things that will get me stoned by the non open minded 😆
Plain misunderstanding of hebrew prophecy,
Casing point is the end....why did the redactors keep reapplying the prophecy...
This really shows how much you don't understand how the Jews view prophecy. Or even Christians themselves....
I guess you aren't familiar with multiple fulfilments wrapped up in typology of the ultimate fulfilment. I guess you would dispute that, Joshua, Abraham, Solomon are types and foreshadows of the messiah. Each in there own way, in a prophetic sense pointing to the messiah....
So why did the Jews keep reapplying the prophecy...Please find out why....
@Hilmar Zonneveld
I agree with the example of the virgin birth. We cannot independently verify it...
@Hilmar Zonneveld I disagree when you say that there is no solid reason to believe that Jesus fulfilled some Prophecies...
The video also gets it wrong to think that it is the Christians who came up with the interpretations and applied them to Jesus.
Eg, the motif of a suffering messaih predates Christianity and is found in the Talmud...
Roy Kachila “suffering” is a far stretch from being executed like a common criminal.
@@pansepot1490
It is not a long stretch from a suffering saviour to one who is executed as a common criminal
@Hilmar Zonneveld
The mistake I see in your last comment is your comparison of Harry Potter books with the Bible.
Harry potter books have no grounding in history and it's genre is fiction, while the Bible actually does have grounding in history...
So, can you verify any of the prophecies of Jesus...well yes...
You can objectively see the Prophecies which were before the time of the messaih and weigh where or not Jesus fulfilled them...
Eg, the Jews expected a messaih to appear during the 2nd temple, why? Because the glory of the 2nd temple will be greater than the 1st temple...the glory in this case pointing to the messaih.
Also, we have scores of indirect prophecies...eg, I'd like to hear your opinion on Psalm 22
"With this new historical knowledge (?), we now know that some of the ways that Old Testament prophecies were used is just silly." Ha ha ha ha ha.
Is the text talking about a virgin or a young woman? Hmmm. Yes, an amazing revelation. A young girl will give birth. Wow! By Grabthar's hammer, what a revelation.
It's not mathematically reduceable to just that mooring.
Question: Where did you find this guy? Gibberish.
Is this an Athiest channel? Anti God. Anti Jesus. Anti Biblical?