Ya you should also probably stop using your phone and most technology, it’s dripping in animal parts. I don’t think you can truly be a vegan while using animal products.
When will you tell us your story of fully becoming vegan and ditching your phone. It is well known that phones contain animal products. That makes any commenter or viewer of this video a hypocrite.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz no animal die because of buying phone with some by-products, because animals are not killed for by-products, they are killed for meat, dairy, eggs, wool, and there happens to be many by-products left which the industry tries to get additional benefit of. Of course we still try to avoid buying for example food and cosmetics where there is a by-product in the ingredient list, but you can not possibly track all the places where they are added, so it's impractical and not the point of vegan movement. Remove animal industries and there will be no by-products.
I was vegetarian for years before going vegan.. I used to think vegans were crazy and too extreme.. then I learned that cows don't just magically make milk and generously share with us and that the dairy and veal companies go hand in hand.. I realized being an ethical vegetarian was an oxymoron and went vegan over night.. I will be celebrating my 16 year veganversary this April 💗🌱
Most higher animals have some sort of language. Just because we don't understand exactly what a bark means, doesn't mean it isn't language. Crows and magpies went from dying on mass in Australia from trying to eat cane toads, to every single one knowing to flipping them on their back and eating it from the belly avoiding the toxic glands on the toads back. Seems like "the word" got out. Cats are dogs are capable of understanding basic instructions if trained properly. Sheep, cows and chickens are all dumb AF because we breed them to be and pigs just taste to good for their own well being 😜
For 55 years I thought the animals I ate were raised on family farms like my grandfather’s. I knew they had to be killed but believed it was humane. I was convinced they were too dumb to realize what was happening to them. Watching Earthlings woke me up to reality & I went vegan on the spot. That was over 7 years ago & my only regret is that I didn’t go vegan sooner. 💚 Thanks for all you do for the animals!!
How do you come to terms with the fact that phones and computers are made from animal parts. Animal parts you needed to use to just leave a comment on TH-cam.
Just yesterday i was in a situation where i had to defend me going vegan. My husband told a family friend about a video i showed him about the confinement and torture egg laying hens go through. This family friend said "you know all those videos are staged" to which i responded that I do not believe that. It's impossible to stage layers of feces and decomposing corpses that have been caked into the bottom of the cage as well as all the pecking damages and feather losses. It just baffles me the extent someone would go to justify try to stay ignorant to the animal suffering.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz write animal products using in phones. but they cant be byproducts they have to be specifically farmed for this purpose. I'm curious and I will stop using phones if you can give me proof.
@@someonesomething it’s not only in your I phone. It’s also in the packaging of your vegan hot dogs, and many other house hold items. Im sorry I couldn’t make out your questions, so while your contemplating using your phone, contemplate most plastics you use,
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz so you were bullshitting as I thought. let me explain you how it works. the animal products used in glues or batteries are not mandatory. It is used because this companies are not vegan and this by-products are the cheapest products. so there are non animal deprived alternatives to these things and when we bring animal rights there will be (maybe few dollar more expensive) alternatives. If people like you try to justify killing animals because of by-products, there will never be solutions to these things. And even at crop death problem its preventable and when people like you started care about animals we can have %95 vegan world. (and electronics we buy lasts for years and used to convert people like you to kill less animals so its a win for animals at reducing animal suffering premise)
I actually went vegan 39 years ago, no internet or influencers. We always had a lot of animals and i just realised one day, what am i doing eating animals when i'm supposed to love animals. I have never felt it to be difficult, i actually enjoyed even then explaining about the cruelty. I learnt a lot on my journey. Peta was the first organisation to get into the limelight and highlight the cruelty.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz Where did you hear that from ???? That is impossible in this world. Veganism isn't perfection, it can't be. However. leaving animals off your plate is a good start and easy to do.
@@jonjonwp it’s wildly know that animal parts are used for glues and screens in the tech world. I understand removing as many animal products as possible. But veganism is no animal products. To me it seems like vegans also make excuses for why they use animal parts
@@jonjonwp animal parts are used for glues and screens. I understand removing as many animal products as possible. But veganism is no animal products. To me it seems like vegans also make excuses for why they use animal parts
EXACTLY!!! I'm from Perú and 8 years ago, before becaming vegan i used to tell myself that it was ok to eat some cheese or things with milk in them every now and then but thankfully I woke up and finally made the change. My brother and sister became vegan too and I wish more people would. Slowly but surely veganism is growing in popularity here and I hope one day we can all be vegan for the animales ❤
biggest lie i told myself is that me going vegan doesn't change anything, but it's really not true at all! i turned someone i was dating vegan and my friends talk to me about wanting to go vegan. truth is, just telling people you are vegan makes them rethink their choices immediately. "if she can do it, why can't i?' type thing. i always knew vegans were right, but thought that there was no point because i can't stop everyone from eating animals.
@@Themilkman95 In the words of Isaac Bashevis Singer, Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor, "They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them [the animals], all people are Nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka."
Great question! I remember the only time someone said something to me I said "she's crazy and didn't know what she was talking about." And that was only about milk. Then my wife got sick and we found Dan the 'liferegenerator' on TH-cam. Changed my life and I have been vegan since. That was 15 years ago and I'm so happy that I changed my life. He has changed a lot too and is a different person now. I miss the old Dan the man with the master plan.
Strategic ignorance is why I think disruptive activism can be effective. They know what's happening and are attempting to avoid accountability. Vegans cannot make another person go vegan or make them not go vegan. That idea is psychological bullying by non-vegans. Great video!
@@EverMeadow I would do outreach to carnivorous plants if they could be vegan. Unlike carnivorous plants, humans don't need to consume animals to survive. Animal life is sentient, plant life is not. Sentience is the key.
@@ColburnClark Its not wrong for plants to eat humans or animals. Most cemeteries are around forests/tree areas. Most medicines/drugs are made out of plants and those kill so many people.
@@EverMeadow Sure, I agree. I would add its wrong for humans to consume animals because 1)we don't have to in order to be healthy 2)animals want to live just like us. They resist death and fear danger just like healthy humans do. Animals have their own thoughts and their own worlds inside them. Animals are fed more plants than vegans consume despite Ted Nugent / apathetic industry propaganda. Being vegan respects animal sentience. If plants were sentient, which they are not, being vegan would be better for them too since animals eat plants their entire lives, more plants than we need to consume directly to be healthy.
It’s mind boggling that people say it’s hard to be vegan. It’s hard if you eat out everyday since there is probably one vegan restaurant in every town with 30 meat restaurants. But if you cook your own food like I do. I just strictly shop in the veggies section. What’s hard about going down one isle instead of two. Yeah the biggest lie ever told. They just don’t care about the animals and most never will. Only way they would stop eating meat is it affects them negatively if all the meat they consume starts carrying disease and they get sick. Self reason to stop if it hurts themself.
Congrats to contributing to the extinction of various animal species especially the birds. Glad you value being ethical over the actual existence of animals....
@@conall5434 They're the main cause of species going extinct and they'll get use more often if we switch to total crop agriculture. They're also the problem with artificial fertilizers if you care to hear....
Great video. I was first looking at the thumbnail asking "is that mic the vegan?" :) I have been vegan goingon 12 years now. Like most, I wish I had done it earlier. My daughter and I will be walking the entire AT this year while only eating plant based.
Another thought provoking video Natalie! Even if one doesn’t care about animals ( why a person wouldn’t, I can’t even 🤦🏻♀️) they should remember that people suffer: working/slaving, mentally and physically in the seafood and meat/dairy industries 😢
Farms don’t operate without illegal immigrants taking the bulk of the work. They are over worked under represented and hardly paid. The pot can’t call the kettle black. Industry is the true evil. Unfortunately, you can’t feed a nation of vegans without the agricultural industry.
I made all of those excuses too. This video is so good. I do sometimes wonder what finally caused me to make the change given that I was 59. What was ‘the last straw’ for me? I’m not even an ‘animal lover’ really. My daughter absolutely adores animals yet has no intention of stopping eating them (though in her case she actually genuinely doesn’t eat much meat mainly because she lives with us and I don’t provide any and she is lazy). My wife became wholly plant based with me but she has bought into the negative publicity about vegans so whilst she is happy living a totally vegan lifestyle she won’t identify with vegans.
9:55 This is such a KEY point. The general oppressiveness of life makes people change averse, also makes it it easier to "turn off" our empathy. I bet more people would adopt veganism, if work and school weeks were 4-days or less, across the board. Awesome video!! 💯
One thing that always bugged me, was Destiny's Vegan take, even before I went Vegan myself. Funnily enough he was definitely a part of my "vegan journey".
this is great, I know it's important for people to hear varied perspectives so they can break down their biases. While Yurofsky did it for me, someone who has listened to Ed or Joey but has not been convinced might be swayed by you and your words. So great work!
Was just watching David Attenborough on Netflix animal documentary today. He was showing how much land bison have lost to agriculture in the USA. Let the bison get their prairies back and I will eat one the bison that feeds of that grass. Sounds like a win win for the bison and the environment.
Thanks for the video 💚 I used to say "idgaf as long as it tastes good" when I was a kid and then after learning about veganism I'd say "I could never go vegan but I find it really cool!". Now I am the cool 😎 💚
If you don’t eat meat , you still have to eat plants which are , other living things that don’t want to be eaten , I don’t see the difference, other then it’s harder to relate to plants 🌱
i personally hate the disput meat eaters and vegans have. We should never dislike a person because of their choice of eating. I for example tried low carb, wanted to loose only a few kilos. It worked. Yes! i ate a bit more meat in the process but most if it comes from ruminent animals that live outside the whole year actually. And here in europe we had gas shortages almost and the amoniak from the Haber Bosch procedure was for a time quite expensive. It is especially needed for fertilizer for plants. But the cattles did not need any fertilizer. They are fertilizing everything around them, even trees stand there and other smaller animals are present very different actually to a corn or wheat field. I come from the countryside actually and i have seen what they have to do in mice plague years to get ahead of the pest. Shoot poison down in every present mouse hole. In special years it is thousands of mice depending on the size of the field. So there is killing going on on a big scale as well. Not to speak of the young deer that is butchered by mistake. Which on the countryside people make no big fuss about because we have lots of deer and to little hunters and they eat a lot of the young trees. Back to my low carb diet and eating more beef meat. Besides my kilos, my athritis in the fingers went totally away and the asthma that was present for 34 years every day, needed at least 2 inhaler shots a day was suddenly gone to the point where i started to forget the inhaler at home. Can someone imagine how that feels, after such a long time. Running without asthma! It was and is a almost a miracle. So stay open and investigative my vegan friends out there.
Veganism is about causing the least harm that is possible and practicable. There are far more deaths in the meat industry cause most of the crops are fed to animals. So to cause the least harm you'll eat the crops themselves rather than feeding the crops to animals and then eating the animals. Even if you think pastured animals require less crops they do require far more land which impacts wildlife. Estimates are grass fed beef uses twice as much land so beef already uses 50% of all farmland while dairy uses an additional 25%. That's 75% of farmland going to produce food making up 6% of calories. That's a lot of land that could be habitat for wildlife meaning a great amount of harm for species survival. If you switch to grass fed you double that. 150% of farmland needed for cows and then the additional 25% for everything else and you need 175% of current farmland to switch to grass fed animals. We don't have enough forests to cut down to supply that. Animal ag already uses 2/3 of the worlds ice free land. So now you need 4/3 of the entire earth just for cows. I don't know if your good at fractions but that's more earth's than we own.
Big difference between intentionally raping ,abusing, killing someone and unintentional killing (like are you suggesting we should stop walking because there are millions of ants that get killed that way ? ) Daily we use products where humans /animals might be abused but does that mean we should ignore when we see someone owning slaves and abusing them like they do with other non human animals. Ofcourse we will fight them but also at the same time we can make sure the daily products we use are ethically produced or reduce their consumption. Likewise we can try growing a lot in our home and see if the fruits , vegetables comes from a organic(pesticides free) farm. And vegans probably don't own those farms where such practices happen. They can definitely force big corporate only if ppl become self sufficient and the only way for farms to stay relevant is to look into non cruel ways of growing food (like the gmo almond variety that doesn't requires bees for pollination). Ppl are self identifying themselves as vegan for different reasons but not what veganism is really about. So hopefully that mindset will change and is changing because of many good animal activists. So if you really are vegan (which I think can be quite a difficult task or not depending on where you live) you would be looking for solutions to reduce the suffering instead of say keep on munching dead body parts and keep giving out excuses while planet has become a hell hole for for specific animals (both humans and non humans ),mental illness is at the highest and we are probably dead from either zoonotic diseases or impending antibiotics resistance pandemic.
"It's easier to believe that you're not capable of doing the right thing, than to believe you could but you're choosing not to." That statement is so true. That's how I felt and how I think most people feel. I just discovered your channel today and I already can't stop watching your videos. The editing and quality is great, and I love your choice of words.
Hmm I watch vegan content almost daily, to not really any lies I can tell myself. I believe livestock welfare should definitely improve, but aside from eating slightly less pork, it hasn't changed my views on eating animal products.
Going vegan creates a level of Empathy inside us we didn't know we could have. Only now (being Vegan for 5 years) I recognize the horrible lies and agenda meat/dairy/egg/fish industry perpetuates. The subliminal messaging in commercials, poster boards, packaging... I used to never pay attention to the commercials because I was just a mindless consumer. Now I see it. “People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” (Carl Jung)
Remember: All vegan's empathy has been working nicely for the last 200 years only with supermarkets nearby full of domisticated artificial fruits and veggies brought to them from the other part of the world.
Yes we should celebrate the modern technology that allows us to evolve away from using animals as resources. And as far as food transportation of plants, it doesn't produce as much emissions as raising animals locally
I highly recommend you watch Dr. Ken Berrys videos about the proper human diet. Make sure you read the comments under his videos. People have reversed type 2 diabetes, fatty liver, IBS, RA, skin conditions, and the list goes on all from eating a proper human diet.
There are a number of reasons for being Vegan. One of which is animal welfare. For me the issue of the impact that modern meat eating has upon the environment, especially climate change, is important. Reducing meat production would be a good thing. Along those lines could meat be produced that did not involve killing animals? The concept is the growing of meat, much like brewing beer. This proto-industry is fast developing. My question is: If meat is "grown" and does not involve killing, then does this permit vegans to eat meat?
I've also learnt that questioning these excuses to not going vegan is the first step to convince people of the opposite. Keep in mind it is a process that takes time, so keep going.
I’m vegan and have almost no contact with animals. I only have a cow, pig, and chicken plushie on my table so I remember them when I eat- that’s as close as animals get to me. Sometimes I see deer in the distance when I go for walks. I see dogs on leashes looking at me like prisoners when I watch my neighbors go on walks. I don’t need to hug or french kiss a dog to empathize with animals. People make a big show of their “animal affection,” but that compassion just needs to come from the inside.
@@Natalie.FultonFor some it is. Eagle McMahon is a great example of an athlete who was a very dedicated vegan, but due to injury, and health complications, now has to eat some animal parts. There are many athletes with the same story. For some veganism has ruined their bodies and careers. I support vegans, but come on you have to have better then, “that’s a lie”
That argument is used because it’s true. Our species has predominantly eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years, it is our species appropriate diet. It’s only through modern intervention that veganism is even possible.
@@AJ-sl7be real life experience of people are not anecdotes. If a diet makes people unhealthy, it’s a bad diet. Nothing anecdotal about that, it’s called science. Natalie said the original comment “isn’t true” the burden is on her to explain how it is not true, because there are plenty of examples to show she is bold faced lying. And at minimum not giving the argument its respect. Also what in death information would you like, I didn’t know I had to give the full life experience of these people. But please ask I’ll be happy to fill you in.
'The masses have never thirsted after the truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste... Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master. Whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." Gustave Le Bon (French polymath, 1841-1931)
The strategic ignorance is that i' guilty in when thinking about palm-oil. And a lot of thoughts come up dealing with cognitive dissonance. Thoughts like ''Oh but i'm already vegan so im doing so much better then others so i don't need to think about palm-oil'' Or ''Oh i heard another vegan lady say something like but palm-oil does not count. Even tho i don't know what she means im just going assume she said something smart'' And ''I eat only a little bit of palm-oil'' Basically its very scary to catch yourself in your own cognitive dissonance and seeing how i use the same defense mechanism as meat eaters. In fact me writing this comment is probably another attempt to make me feel better about products i buy that have palm-oil in it. Fucking dang it now i have to change. (Ok im not going to )
I told myself I could not be vegan because I have a very monotonous taste. But after going vegan I discovered so many foods I never tried before and I liked it. Even some foods I did not like before, I like now.
I envy the people who was taught about veganism, I never was taught but the moment someone told me I gone vegan that very moment… if only I even heard about the term… before I was 26 I never heard about veganism or plant base eating. But I’m glad it only took me a simple explanation, I guess I had already the drivers installed or something like that. I feel so bad about that, I feel like I have been so distracted by something that actually is so loud in my mind
Personally I eat happy cows from a local regenerative farm. Sure they only live a few years, but they live well and its a carbon negative operation - they're sequestering it, building up the soil, by implementing non selective grazing practices.
Thanks for commenting! It's a common myth that more animals die farming vegetables, but animals have to eat WAY more plants than if we eat them directly. Plus, farmers try to avoid killing animals with their machinery because it clogs it up
I knew for years that factory farming was cruel and the meat industries lied about it. I used to be so proud of myself for buying the most expensivest pasture raised eggs, which now i know is more orbless just a marketing strategy.
Hey Natalie, really interesting perspectives from you and video. It got recommended to me. I find that there's barely any sane, rational people on either side of the argument around this and that everyone is a bit sadistic and narcissistic towards each other about this subject. Just wanted to leave a positive comment letting you know that you conducting yourself more gracefully than most is appreciated by some even if only a small minority of people care about that.
i used to think it was okay because being meat was the purpose of that animal's life... then after throwing out enough leftover hotdogs night after night at my part time fast food job, I realized at a certain point those hotdogs added up to a whole animal that wasn't killed to be eaten but to be wasted entirely and the rest of the justifications also crumbled away for me from there. 2 years vegan and wish it had been longer!
Great video, Natalie. What the heck is that clip of Destiny and the chicken? That was nutso! I don't think I ever really lied to myself. It was more ignorance than denial. The day I went vegan it was instantaneous. One minute I ate meat, the next I was a vegan. So it always puzzles me when I hear people say how difficult it would be to convert.
This was a wonderful video Natalie, what a beautiful soul you are! Before I gave up meat 42 years ago I followed the programming of my parents, and I do believe that this is the biggest reason why most meat eaters cater to their traditional upbringing, rather than upset their diet roots. As a Vegan minster and vegan debater for fourteen years, I would like to mention that besides all of the lies that you spoke of in this video, there is still yet another lie that meat eaters always use in their defense of consuming animal flesh, The lie that was not mentioned in your video is the human deception that God and Jesus Christ gave human beings the sanctified right to eat animals, and to dominate and use animals in whatever way that human beings see fit. As a theologian, I see this as one of the greatest lies that meat eaters tell every time God is brought up in a vegan debate. In truth, God's diet choice for human beings is plant-based and there is verified written proof the bible that confirms this. The industry of religion is a huge part of the spreading to lies to the public at large, and in fact, their lies are as bad as the propaganda that is coming out of the meat and animal industries themselves. In truth, God Clearly told us, Genesis 7:2, “Keep the animals alive throughout the earth.” Genesis 1:29, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." God Bless!
I was always very empathic toward animals. The only reason I kept eating them was that my family literally indoctrinated me with the idea that I had to eat meat or I would have died. When I realized that was a lie I quickly became vegan. I've been vegan for 14 years now. ^_^
The lie I told myself: "I'm going to do this vegan diet to lose weight and to get healthy; I'm not doing it for the animals, that's Stupid." 😂 I'm a co-organizer for AV now lol 😆
Eating mostly vegetarian food with egg, milk and cheese as my source of protein. If it is more feasible for me to be Vegan, I aspire to be Vegan since it is hard to get protein supplements here in the Philippines.
Yea, I still have sometimes problems with sweets but I’m getting better at saying no when someone asks if I want a slice of cake but the meat was easy, I did that cold turkey after watching OKJA on Netflix (and the animal in that movie isn’t even real 😅 but it acted like a cow) and cheese took about two months to get rid of. I’ll be 5yrs vegan this year.
I think argument one is not really as self contradictory as you put it. Obviously almost all people can and do empathize with animals but saying "I don't care" about factory farming for instance does not mean that you don't ever care about animals or even that you don't feel uncomfortable watching videos of animals in factory farms. To me it just means that the person is not significantly negatively impacted by feelings about factory farming in their day to day life and that those feelings do not outweigh any pleasure they gain from consuming animal products, which is probably true. In my opinion there's nothing inherently wrong in avoiding uncomfortable feelings associated with some knowledge. A patient may feel uncomfortable knowing what exactly happens in a surgical procedure, I think they're perfectly fine in avoiding thinking about it before their surgery. Now of course you'll say "they are not analogous since surgery is not wrong but killing animals is". Which is a valid argument but then it's not relevant whether or not the meat eater is avoiding feelings but just whether or not it's wrong to kill animals. If they don't agree that it's necessarily wrong to kill or harm animals then form that perspective they can be perfectly justified in intentionally avoiding uncomfortable truths about animal agriculture.
I love when vegans tell their perspective from being a meat-eater in the past, and being resistant to veganism. This is the most inspiring.
Yes!!!!
Ya you should also probably stop using your phone and most technology, it’s dripping in animal parts. I don’t think you can truly be a vegan while using animal products.
When will you tell us your story of fully becoming vegan and ditching your phone. It is well known that phones contain animal products. That makes any commenter or viewer of this video a hypocrite.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz no animal die because of buying phone with some by-products, because animals are not killed for by-products, they are killed for meat, dairy, eggs, wool, and there happens to be many by-products left which the industry tries to get additional benefit of. Of course we still try to avoid buying for example food and cosmetics where there is a by-product in the ingredient list, but you can not possibly track all the places where they are added, so it's impractical and not the point of vegan movement. Remove animal industries and there will be no by-products.
I was vegetarian for years before going vegan.. I used to think vegans were crazy and too extreme.. then I learned that cows don't just magically make milk and generously share with us and that the dairy and veal companies go hand in hand.. I realized being an ethical vegetarian was an oxymoron and went vegan over night.. I will be celebrating my 16 year veganversary this April 💗🌱
Me also , a vegetarian before and now vegan nearly 9 year's.
I dont know Im pretty extreme.
@@martinkevin4827how can you claim to be vegan while using a phone or computer. It is well known that all phones and computers use animal products.
How can you claim to be vegan and still use a phone? It has animal products in it
How is that possible. You’re using a phone to post comments on TH-cam. Phones contain animal products.
I used to tell myself true sentience was impossible without language. That for some reason we needed language to bootstrap sentience into existence.😬
Most higher animals have some sort of language. Just because we don't understand exactly what a bark means, doesn't mean it isn't language. Crows and magpies went from dying on mass in Australia from trying to eat cane toads, to every single one knowing to flipping them on their back and eating it from the belly avoiding the toxic glands on the toads back. Seems like "the word" got out. Cats are dogs are capable of understanding basic instructions if trained properly. Sheep, cows and chickens are all dumb AF because we breed them to be and pigs just taste to good for their own well being 😜
And then chatgpt came around and being able to use language was neither necessary nor sufficient for sentience.
love your videos man
Sounds like Destiny
@@Natalie.Fulton He flip flops on wheter animals are sentient at all or if they're sentient but not enough for him to care about
For 55 years I thought the animals I ate were raised on family farms like my grandfather’s. I knew they had to be killed but believed it was humane. I was convinced they were too dumb to realize what was happening to them. Watching Earthlings woke me up to reality & I went vegan on the spot. That was over 7 years ago & my only regret is that I didn’t go vegan sooner. 💚 Thanks for all you do for the animals!!
How do you come to terms with the fact that phones and computers are made from animal parts. Animal parts you needed to use to just leave a comment on TH-cam.
Just yesterday i was in a situation where i had to defend me going vegan. My husband told a family friend about a video i showed him about the confinement and torture egg laying hens go through. This family friend said "you know all those videos are staged" to which i responded that I do not believe that. It's impossible to stage layers of feces and decomposing corpses that have been caked into the bottom of the cage as well as all the pecking damages and feather losses. It just baffles me the extent someone would go to justify try to stay ignorant to the animal suffering.
It’s a desperate denial - they don’t want to believe it
@@stephsmemo How do you come to terms that your phone is made with animal parts. And your using it to comment about veganism
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz write animal products using in phones. but they cant be byproducts they have to be specifically farmed for this purpose. I'm curious and I will stop using phones if you can give me proof.
@@someonesomething it’s not only in your I phone. It’s also in the packaging of your vegan hot dogs, and many other house hold items.
Im sorry I couldn’t make out your questions, so while your contemplating using your phone, contemplate most plastics you use,
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz so you were bullshitting as I thought. let me explain you how it works. the animal products used in glues or batteries are not mandatory. It is used because this companies are not vegan and this by-products are the cheapest products. so there are non animal deprived alternatives to these things and when we bring animal rights there will be (maybe few dollar more expensive) alternatives.
If people like you try to justify killing animals because of by-products, there will never be solutions to these things. And even at crop death problem its preventable and when people like you started care about animals we can have %95 vegan world. (and electronics we buy lasts for years and used to convert people like you to kill less animals so its a win for animals at reducing animal suffering premise)
I love psychology and veganism and when they come together, boy do they sing 💚
I actually went vegan 39 years ago, no internet or influencers. We always had a lot of animals and i just realised one day, what am i doing eating animals when i'm supposed to love animals. I have never felt it to be difficult, i actually enjoyed even then explaining about the cruelty. I learnt a lot on my journey. Peta was the first organisation to get into the limelight and highlight the cruelty.
You should stop using your phone too. It’s partially made from animal parts, i don’t think you can truly be vegan if you are using animal products.
When will you stop using your phone. It is also made from animal parts. I heard you can’t use animal products if you are vegan.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lz Where did you hear that from ???? That is impossible in this world. Veganism isn't perfection, it can't be. However. leaving animals off your plate is a good start and easy to do.
@@jonjonwp it’s wildly know that animal parts are used for glues and screens in the tech world. I understand removing as many animal products as possible. But veganism is no animal products.
To me it seems like vegans also make excuses for why they use animal parts
@@jonjonwp animal parts are used for glues and screens. I understand removing as many animal products as possible. But veganism is no animal products.
To me it seems like vegans also make excuses for why they use animal parts
EXACTLY!!! I'm from Perú and 8 years ago, before becaming vegan i used to tell myself that it was ok to eat some cheese or things with milk in them every now and then but thankfully I woke up and finally made the change. My brother and sister became vegan too and I wish more people would. Slowly but surely veganism is growing in popularity here and I hope one day we can all be vegan for the animales ❤
Really well done and thought out. I only wish my friends and family would watch this.
Veganism is a philosopfy ,a model of life, wich as is objcetive, the difense of millions of innocent creatures, giving voice to the voiceless.❤❤❤
This is a high quality video for such small viewership
biggest lie i told myself is that me going vegan doesn't change anything, but it's really not true at all! i turned someone i was dating vegan and my friends talk to me about wanting to go vegan. truth is, just telling people you are vegan makes them rethink their choices immediately. "if she can do it, why can't i?' type thing. i always knew vegans were right, but thought that there was no point because i can't stop everyone from eating animals.
The worst enemy to morality is indirection:
A: I'm just following orders.
B: I'm just giving orders.
No morals needed.
Are comparing nazis to factory farming?
@@Themilkman95 In the words of Isaac Bashevis Singer, Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor, "They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them [the animals], all people are Nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka."
@@Themilkman95 Yes they are, because it's an apt comparison.
@@vendetta.02 lol you are cooked no wonder people hate vegans
@@vendetta.02 no it isn’t hahaha 🤣
Great question! I remember the only time someone said something to me I said "she's crazy and didn't know what she was talking about." And that was only about milk. Then my wife got sick and we found Dan the 'liferegenerator' on TH-cam. Changed my life and I have been vegan since. That was 15 years ago and I'm so happy that I changed my life. He has changed a lot too and is a different person now. I miss the old Dan the man with the master plan.
Strategic ignorance is why I think disruptive activism can be effective. They know what's happening and are attempting to avoid accountability. Vegans cannot make another person go vegan or make them not go vegan. That idea is psychological bullying by non-vegans. Great video!
Thanks so much for the support!
Donut put so much blame on humans plants influence the world just as much.
@@EverMeadow I would do outreach to carnivorous plants if they could be vegan. Unlike carnivorous plants, humans don't need to consume animals to survive. Animal life is sentient, plant life is not. Sentience is the key.
@@ColburnClark Its not wrong for plants to eat humans or animals. Most cemeteries are around forests/tree areas. Most medicines/drugs are made out of plants and those kill so many people.
@@EverMeadow Sure, I agree. I would add its wrong for humans to consume animals because 1)we don't have to in order to be healthy 2)animals want to live just like us. They resist death and fear danger just like healthy humans do. Animals have their own thoughts and their own worlds inside them.
Animals are fed more plants than vegans consume despite Ted Nugent / apathetic industry propaganda. Being vegan respects animal sentience.
If plants were sentient, which they are not, being vegan would be better for them too since animals eat plants their entire lives, more plants than we need to consume directly to be healthy.
No excuse for animal abuse, live vegan 💗💗💗
No excuse to contribute to pesticide use....
I learned so much watching this video! The psychological factors was all new to me. Thank you. This will be very helpful for my debates and outreach.
Glad it was helpful!
It’s mind boggling that people say it’s hard to be vegan. It’s hard if you eat out everyday since there is probably one vegan restaurant in every town with 30 meat restaurants. But if you cook your own food like I do. I just strictly shop in the veggies section. What’s hard about going down one isle instead of two. Yeah the biggest lie ever told. They just don’t care about the animals and most never will. Only way they would stop eating meat is it affects them negatively if all the meat they consume starts carrying disease and they get sick. Self reason to stop if it hurts themself.
I used to lie to myself about being an ethical person. Once I found out, I changed that.
Congrats to contributing to the extinction of various animal species especially the birds. Glad you value being ethical over the actual existence of animals....
@@erickgreen2361 what?
@@conall5434 Pesticides...
@@erickgreen2361 what about pesticides?
@@conall5434 They're the main cause of species going extinct and they'll get use more often if we switch to total crop agriculture. They're also the problem with artificial fertilizers if you care to hear....
Great summary, I see that I used to use the same excuses and lies. Great job Natalie, very insightful video
Great video. I was first looking at the thumbnail asking "is that mic the vegan?" :) I have been vegan goingon 12 years now. Like most, I wish I had done it earlier. My daughter and I will be walking the entire AT this year while only eating plant based.
Another thought provoking video Natalie! Even if one doesn’t care about animals ( why a person wouldn’t, I can’t even 🤦🏻♀️) they should remember that people suffer: working/slaving, mentally and physically in the seafood and meat/dairy industries 😢
Farms don’t operate without illegal immigrants taking the bulk of the work. They are over worked under represented and hardly paid. The pot can’t call the kettle black. Industry is the true evil. Unfortunately, you can’t feed a nation of vegans without the agricultural industry.
I made all of those excuses too. This video is so good. I do sometimes wonder what finally caused me to make the change given that I was 59. What was ‘the last straw’ for me?
I’m not even an ‘animal lover’ really. My daughter absolutely adores animals yet has no intention of stopping eating them (though in her case she actually genuinely doesn’t eat much meat mainly because she lives with us and I don’t provide any and she is lazy). My wife became wholly plant based with me but she has bought into the negative publicity about vegans so whilst she is happy living a totally vegan lifestyle she won’t identify with vegans.
This video is so needed! Thank you!! 💚
The pyramid analogy was cool, haven't heard that before.
Thanks! I got it from a book called "Compassion by the Pound"
Great video , keep up the good work 👍👍👍
Thanks, will do!
9:55 This is such a KEY point. The general oppressiveness of life makes people change averse, also makes it it easier to "turn off" our empathy.
I bet more people would adopt veganism, if work and school weeks were 4-days or less, across the board.
Awesome video!! 💯
One thing that always bugged me, was Destiny's Vegan take, even before I went Vegan myself. Funnily enough he was definitely a part of my "vegan journey".
Extremely well presented points.
this is great, I know it's important for people to hear varied perspectives so they can break down their biases. While Yurofsky did it for me, someone who has listened to Ed or Joey but has not been convinced might be swayed by you and your words. So great work!
Great video! thank you for making this. Also cool you hiked in the AT. I thru hiked the whole thing in 2018. It's beautiful out there!
Awesome! That takes serious dedication and stamina. Surprised a vegan could do it /s
Great Video! Everything is explained so well!
Was just watching David Attenborough on Netflix animal documentary today. He was showing how much land bison have lost to agriculture in the USA. Let the bison get their prairies back and I will eat one the bison that feeds of that grass. Sounds like a win win for the bison and the environment.
Natalie, you're looking better and better with every video. In this one your face kinda glows!
Thank you! Meanwhile nonvegans say that I look sick
@@Natalie.Fulton anybody can look sick sometimes
@@Natalie.Fulton
That's only after they find out you're vegan XD
I still shake my head when i hear.. 'grass-fed beef'.. they found a way to take the actual cow right out of it.
Why do meat eaters try to make their food not look like animals?
Why do some vegans try to make their food look like meat? (Impossible Burger, Beyond Meat, etc}
Do you want me to cut my steak in a way that looks like a cow? It'll be difficult, but happy to oblige 😂
Whaaaat???
@@lloydhlavac6807 Burger refers to the shape of the patty. Do you question why composite doors are made to look like wood?
@@DeathLetterBlues. I see you didn't answer the question. Also why call it steak? Call it what it is, its a piece of cows ass.
Very well put together!
I love your videos and the way you explain things, nice work!
Thank you!!
Great analysis. I'll keep this to present when needed. 👏 👏 👏
Be kind. Be vegan. ❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks for the video 💚
I used to say "idgaf as long as it tastes good" when I was a kid and then after learning about veganism I'd say "I could never go vegan but I find it really cool!".
Now I am the cool 😎 💚
If you don’t eat meat , you still have to eat plants which are , other living things that don’t want to be eaten , I don’t see the difference, other then it’s harder to relate to plants 🌱
You don't see the difference between a dog and a carrot?
@@Natalie.Fulton loads of differences and loads of similarities
Keep fighting the good fight, Natalie. Your videos are great and I have tremendous respect for your efforts,
Thanks so much!
Great video! Really well put together 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
So many great points mentioned here
i personally hate the disput meat eaters and vegans have. We should never dislike a person because of their choice of eating.
I for example tried low carb, wanted to loose only a few kilos. It worked. Yes! i ate a bit more meat in the process but most if it comes from ruminent animals that live outside the whole year actually. And here in europe we had gas shortages almost and the amoniak from the Haber Bosch procedure was for a time quite expensive. It is especially needed for fertilizer for plants.
But the cattles did not need any fertilizer. They are fertilizing everything around them, even trees stand there and other smaller animals are present very different actually to a corn or wheat field.
I come from the countryside actually and i have seen what they have to do in mice plague years to get ahead of the pest. Shoot poison down in every present mouse hole. In special years it is thousands of mice depending on the size of the field. So there is killing going on on a big scale as well. Not to speak of the young deer that is butchered by mistake. Which on the countryside people make no big fuss about because we have lots of deer and to little hunters and they eat a lot of the young trees.
Back to my low carb diet and eating more beef meat. Besides my kilos, my athritis in the fingers went totally away and the asthma that was present for 34 years every day, needed at least 2 inhaler shots a day was suddenly gone to the point where i started to forget the inhaler at home. Can someone imagine how that feels, after such a long time. Running without asthma! It was and is a almost a miracle. So stay open and investigative my vegan friends out there.
What about all the animals that die in the production of vegetable, fruit, grain, etc, agriculture? 🤔
Veganism is about causing the least harm that is possible and practicable. There are far more deaths in the meat industry cause most of the crops are fed to animals. So to cause the least harm you'll eat the crops themselves rather than feeding the crops to animals and then eating the animals.
Even if you think pastured animals require less crops they do require far more land which impacts wildlife. Estimates are grass fed beef uses twice as much land so beef already uses 50% of all farmland while dairy uses an additional 25%. That's 75% of farmland going to produce food making up 6% of calories. That's a lot of land that could be habitat for wildlife meaning a great amount of harm for species survival. If you switch to grass fed you double that. 150% of farmland needed for cows and then the additional 25% for everything else and you need 175% of current farmland to switch to grass fed animals. We don't have enough forests to cut down to supply that. Animal ag already uses 2/3 of the worlds ice free land. So now you need 4/3 of the entire earth just for cows. I don't know if your good at fractions but that's more earth's than we own.
Big difference between intentionally raping ,abusing, killing someone and unintentional killing (like are you suggesting we should stop walking because there are millions of ants that get killed that way ? )
Daily we use products where humans /animals might be abused but does that mean we should ignore when we see someone owning slaves and abusing them like they do with other non human animals. Ofcourse we will fight them but also at the same time we can make sure the daily products we use are ethically produced or reduce their consumption.
Likewise we can try growing a lot in our home and see if the fruits , vegetables comes from a organic(pesticides free) farm.
And vegans probably don't own those farms where such practices happen.
They can definitely force big corporate only if ppl become self sufficient and the only way for farms to stay relevant is to look into non cruel ways of growing food (like the gmo almond variety that doesn't requires bees for pollination).
Ppl are self identifying themselves as vegan for different reasons but not what veganism is really about. So hopefully that mindset will change and is changing because of many good animal activists.
So if you really are vegan (which I think can be quite a difficult task or not depending on where you live) you would be looking for solutions to reduce the suffering instead of say keep on munching dead body parts and keep giving out excuses while planet has become a hell hole for for specific animals (both humans and non humans ),mental illness is at the highest and we are probably dead from either zoonotic diseases or impending antibiotics resistance pandemic.
You are awesome! Thanks for the great video
"It's easier to believe that you're not capable of doing the right thing, than to believe you could but you're choosing not to." That statement is so true. That's how I felt and how I think most people feel. I just discovered your channel today and I already can't stop watching your videos. The editing and quality is great, and I love your choice of words.
Thanks so much and welcome aboard!
@@Natalie.Fulton ❤
Hmm I watch vegan content almost daily, to not really any lies I can tell myself. I believe livestock welfare should definitely improve, but aside from eating slightly less pork, it hasn't changed my views on eating animal products.
Going vegan creates a level of Empathy inside us we didn't know we could have. Only now (being Vegan for 5 years) I recognize the horrible lies and agenda meat/dairy/egg/fish industry perpetuates. The subliminal messaging in commercials, poster boards, packaging... I used to never pay attention to the commercials because I was just a mindless consumer. Now I see it. “People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” (Carl Jung)
Remember: All vegan's empathy has been working nicely for the last 200 years only with supermarkets nearby full of domisticated artificial fruits and veggies brought to them from the other part of the world.
Yes we should celebrate the modern technology that allows us to evolve away from using animals as resources. And as far as food transportation of plants, it doesn't produce as much emissions as raising animals locally
I highly recommend you watch Dr. Ken Berrys videos about the proper human diet. Make sure you read the comments under his videos. People have reversed type 2 diabetes, fatty liver, IBS, RA, skin conditions, and the list goes on all from eating a proper human diet.
Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊
Great Video!
thank You!!!!!
Your b-roll game is 👌
Lol glad someone noticed
@@Natalie.Fulton I listen to a lot of videos without watching but I always watch yours because I always get a few good belly laughs
The nutritional dogma kept me for many years.
nice work!
There are a number of reasons for being Vegan. One of which is animal welfare. For me the issue of the impact that modern meat eating has upon the environment, especially climate change, is important. Reducing meat production would be a good thing. Along those lines could meat be produced that did not involve killing animals? The concept is the growing of meat, much like brewing beer. This proto-industry is fast developing. My question is: If meat is "grown" and does not involve killing, then does this permit vegans to eat meat?
Sure, as long as no animals are harmed then lab grown meat would be ethical
I've also learnt that questioning these excuses to not going vegan is the first step to convince people of the opposite. Keep in mind it is a process that takes time, so keep going.
Another awesome video!
Thanks, Gant! Good luck tomorrow (unfortunately it's too early for me to make it)
I’m vegan and have almost no contact with animals. I only have a cow, pig, and chicken plushie on my table so I remember them when I eat- that’s as close as animals get to me. Sometimes I see deer in the distance when I go for walks. I see dogs on leashes looking at me like prisoners when I watch my neighbors go on walks. I don’t need to hug or french kiss a dog to empathize with animals. People make a big show of their “animal affection,” but that compassion just needs to come from the inside.
I thought humans needed to eat animal products to be healthy. This seems to be the most popular antivegan argument.
People say that often, but it's not true
@@Natalie.FultonFor some it is. Eagle McMahon is a great example of an athlete who was a very dedicated vegan, but due to injury, and health complications, now has to eat some animal parts. There are many athletes with the same story. For some veganism has ruined their bodies and careers. I support vegans, but come on you have to have better then, “that’s a lie”
That argument is used because it’s true. Our species has predominantly eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years, it is our species appropriate diet. It’s only through modern intervention that veganism is even possible.
@@ChadKasten-zv7lzand you've also got to do better than random anecdotes with no in-depth information.
@@AJ-sl7be real life experience of people are not anecdotes. If a diet makes people unhealthy, it’s a bad diet. Nothing anecdotal about that, it’s called science.
Natalie said the original comment “isn’t true” the burden is on her to explain how it is not true, because there are plenty of examples to show she is bold faced lying. And at minimum not giving the argument its respect.
Also what in death information would you like, I didn’t know I had to give the full life experience of these people. But please ask I’ll be happy to fill you in.
'The masses have never thirsted after the truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste... Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master. Whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." Gustave Le Bon (French polymath, 1841-1931)
The strategic ignorance is that i' guilty in when thinking about palm-oil. And a lot of thoughts come up dealing with cognitive dissonance.
Thoughts like ''Oh but i'm already vegan so im doing so much better then others so i don't need to think about palm-oil''
Or ''Oh i heard another vegan lady say something like but palm-oil does not count. Even tho i don't know what she means im just going assume she said something smart''
And ''I eat only a little bit of palm-oil''
Basically its very scary to catch yourself in your own cognitive dissonance and seeing how i use the same defense mechanism as meat eaters.
In fact me writing this comment is probably another attempt to make me feel better about products i buy that have palm-oil in it.
Fucking dang it now i have to change.
(Ok im not going to )
This is me with almonds
@@Natalie.Fulton Be carefull, Piers Morgan will this as proof vegans = bad. Just because of you.
I told myself I could not be vegan because I have a very
monotonous taste. But after going vegan I discovered so many foods I never tried before and I liked it. Even some foods I did not like before, I like now.
Brilliant breakdown Natalie!!!
Thank you!
Thank you for this amazing video Natalie! 💚The psychology behind carnism is very interesting.
I envy the people who was taught about veganism, I never was taught but the moment someone told me I gone vegan that very moment… if only I even heard about the term… before I was 26 I never heard about veganism or plant base eating. But I’m glad it only took me a simple explanation, I guess I had already the drivers installed or something like that. I feel so bad about that, I feel like I have been so distracted by something that actually is so loud in my mind
I feel like I realized so late and I harmed so many animals 😭
less animals eaten = less suffering. Telling people you're either a vegan or a murderer is not productive.
Personally I eat happy cows from a local regenerative farm. Sure they only live a few years, but they live well and its a carbon negative operation - they're sequestering it, building up the soil, by implementing non selective grazing practices.
Did you watch the "humane" section of this video?
Something must die for something else to eat. More animals die to vegan farming rather than just eating meat. Your welcome😅
Thanks for commenting! It's a common myth that more animals die farming vegetables, but animals have to eat WAY more plants than if we eat them directly. Plus, farmers try to avoid killing animals with their machinery because it clogs it up
When you change yourself you change the world
I knew for years that factory farming was cruel and the meat industries lied about it.
I used to be so proud of myself for buying the most expensivest pasture raised eggs, which now i know is more orbless just a marketing strategy.
Hey Natalie, really interesting perspectives from you and video. It got recommended to me. I find that there's barely any sane, rational people on either side of the argument around this and that everyone is a bit sadistic and narcissistic towards each other about this subject. Just wanted to leave a positive comment letting you know that you conducting yourself more gracefully than most is appreciated by some even if only a small minority of people care about that.
👍 From ireland
I was definitely in the camp "I don't eat much meat" before I went vegan...
9:28 I can't believe you doxxed your non-vegan family like that! 🤭
Great topic! I'd love to share with my family but they wouldn't watch 🙃
So many great lines and ideas!!
Thanks so much!
i used to think it was okay because being meat was the purpose of that animal's life... then after throwing out enough leftover hotdogs night after night at my part time fast food job, I realized at a certain point those hotdogs added up to a whole animal that wasn't killed to be eaten but to be wasted entirely and the rest of the justifications also crumbled away for me from there. 2 years vegan and wish it had been longer!
Great video, Natalie. What the heck is that clip of Destiny and the chicken? That was nutso! I don't think I ever really lied to myself. It was more ignorance than denial. The day I went vegan it was instantaneous. One minute I ate meat, the next I was a vegan. So it always puzzles me when I hear people say how difficult it would be to convert.
Another threat video, Natalie! 🙌
This was a wonderful video Natalie, what a beautiful soul you are! Before I gave up meat 42 years ago I followed the programming of my parents, and I do believe that this is the biggest reason why most meat eaters cater to their traditional upbringing, rather than upset their diet roots. As a Vegan minster and vegan debater for fourteen years, I would like to mention that besides all of the lies that you spoke of in this video, there is still yet another lie that meat eaters always use in their defense of consuming animal flesh,
The lie that was not mentioned in your video is the human deception that God and Jesus Christ gave human beings the sanctified right to eat animals, and to dominate and use animals in whatever way that human beings see fit.
As a theologian, I see this as one of the greatest lies that meat eaters tell every time God is brought up in a vegan debate. In truth, God's diet choice for human beings is plant-based and there is verified written proof the bible that confirms this.
The industry of religion is a huge part of the spreading to lies to the public at large, and in fact, their lies are as bad as the propaganda that is coming out of the meat and animal industries themselves.
In truth, God Clearly told us,
Genesis 7:2, “Keep the animals alive throughout the earth.”
Genesis 1:29, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
God Bless!
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Thank you!!
Same! 💚
@@Corvid_Moon You, miss, are awesome! 🫂
@@LouisGedo 😈
thanks for the video
There are some great points in this video!!
I was always very empathic toward animals. The only reason I kept eating them was that my family literally indoctrinated me with the idea that I had to eat meat or I would have died. When I realized that was a lie I quickly became vegan. I've been vegan for 14 years now. ^_^
The lie I told myself: "I'm going to do this vegan diet to lose weight and to get healthy; I'm not doing it for the animals, that's Stupid." 😂
I'm a co-organizer for AV now lol 😆
Eating mostly vegetarian food with egg, milk and cheese as my source of protein. If it is more feasible for me to be Vegan, I aspire to be Vegan since it is hard to get protein supplements here in the Philippines.
My favorite video of yours. Well done
I keep telling myself i can't become vegan because i don't know enough vegan recipes and i would starve if i just suddenly made the switch
Check out Rainbow Plant Life and thee burger dude! My cooking skills has improved so much just watching their vids
@@Natalie.Fulton And Gaz Oakley!
i’ve said all of these (bar the first), I wish a vegan had sent me this video before I eventually worked it out myself
Thank You Natalie.
Thanks so much for the support! Really appreciate it
Yea, I still have sometimes problems with sweets but I’m getting better at saying no when someone asks if I want a slice of cake but the meat was easy, I did that cold turkey after watching OKJA on Netflix (and the animal in that movie isn’t even real 😅 but it acted like a cow) and cheese took about two months to get rid of. I’ll be 5yrs vegan this year.
I love your activism!
I think argument one is not really as self contradictory as you put it.
Obviously almost all people can and do empathize with animals but saying "I don't care" about factory farming for instance does not mean that you don't ever care about animals or even that you don't feel uncomfortable watching videos of animals in factory farms.
To me it just means that the person is not significantly negatively impacted by feelings about factory farming in their day to day life and that those feelings do not outweigh any pleasure they gain from consuming animal products, which is probably true.
In my opinion there's nothing inherently wrong in avoiding uncomfortable feelings associated with some knowledge. A patient may feel uncomfortable knowing what exactly happens in a surgical procedure, I think they're perfectly fine in avoiding thinking about it before their surgery.
Now of course you'll say "they are not analogous since surgery is not wrong but killing animals is". Which is a valid argument but then it's not relevant whether or not the meat eater is avoiding feelings but just whether or not it's wrong to kill animals.
If they don't agree that it's necessarily wrong to kill or harm animals then form that perspective they can be perfectly justified in intentionally avoiding uncomfortable truths about animal agriculture.
Thank you for this! Being vegan is the best ❤
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