it’s really funny to me that this movie got a huge disney infinity playset and world and frozen just got two figures who didn’t even reflect the final designs of the characters. it’s a really good example of this phenomenon
I went to a Toys R Us about a year after the movie came out and they had that giant crate of Lone Ranger Disney Infinity Figures on clearance sale for literally 1 Euro.
This movie helped me get over my ex when it came out. My mom asked me if wanted to go cause i was all depressed. movie was long and boring i was able to zone out and reflect on my relationship i had lost while at the theater😂😂😂
No, sounds like you just didn't give a fuck because you were sad. The movie was pretty damn funny, you literally didn't pay attention lmao you JUST said so
Oh bro that would be the one single good thing about that movie, for real. Literally can't thing about anything else, watched it one time and it was at least one time too much 😅😅😅
You know that a film is in trouble when it needs to gross *800,000,000 Dollars* just to break even. I think the rest of Hollywood learned that the hard way just last year.
Disney itself had to learn it again, _FOUR TIMES_ , last year with the Little Mermaid remake, Quantumania, Indiana Jones and The Marvels all having budgets of about 250+ million, all of them losing money. How much money was lost depends on the added costs after the budgets, generally a movie needs at least 2-3 times its budget to break even and out of those four only The Little Mermaid grossed almost double its budget while definitely having enough marketing costs that the triple budget mark is probably closer to the break even point.
The biggest flaw was that the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. It was trying to be gritty, comedy, drama, adventure, all rolled into one. I lt was all over the place.
Like everyone else has said, they were trying to make it into pirates of the Caribbean but it’s missing all of the charm, character, and writing that made those movies entertaining. So you’re just left with a bland and desperate film
The biggest flaw was the main character. Nobody is terribly interested in the Lone Ranger, and they compounded it by making him a buffoon, just so Johnny Depp could literally act like a twat.
its fascinating because the Green Hornet reboot made the same mistake with the Hornet by making him the totally incompetent comic relief character who grows a bit in the third act, and it also failed yet they made the same mistake here. I think the whole thing there showed they didn't really like the source material and the making Tonto the hero then casting a white guy to play him was one of those bizarre decisions that was going to please no one. Cast an American Indian actor and make both he and the Lone Ranger competent and heroic but with different strengths and flaws that need each other and you have a good movie. And for god sakes don't spend more than 100 million on a Western!
I think there is a book that all Hollywood screenwriters have to read that says something like “ the characters have to show growth throughout the script “. Which is not true . My childhood batman and superman were heros at the beginning of the story and heros at the end. The other problem is if you are a bad writer the easiest way to “ show growth “ is to start with a mediocre character and have them learn something really obvious to become slightly less mediocre.
Lone Ranger films do seem cursed to almost be good, but not quite making it. The trouble here was they based the Lone Ranger on Seths Green Hornet, made Tonto the comic relief, and made too long a movie.
An appropriate connection, since LR and GH are related properties (and, in their radio incarnations, the two characters are related -- Britt Reid (Green Hornet) was the great nephew of the Lone Ranger.
I was confused by the devil 🐰 . What the f*&= were those? Did it mean something? Also the John Reid character was poorly developed. The story in the 1981 Legend Of The Lone Ranger was more clear. The actor, LR costume was better too. Armie Hammer's huge white Texas style hat was goofy 🤔 as was the dead crow 🐦⬛ on JD's hair.
The problem with modern westerns is not that people don't like westerns anymore, it's that they're being made with the wrong themes. Westerns are about a desire to regress to an imagined ideal past when we were supposedly far less complicated and everyone was allowed to follow their natures. That's why Tarentino can still make a good western -- by my definition, ALL Tarentino movies are westerns. (PS, Pirates of the Caribbean was good because the screenwriters, Elliott and Rossio, were the same guys who wrote Shrek and Aladdin.)
Strange how "everyone was allowed to follow their natures" in these movies means "men shoot people to get what they want." it's only ideal because you think you'll be the person doing the shooting instead of being shot.
The trouble is what you have described doesn’t need to be a western. It could be set say “ a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away “ . That allows the imaginary past to be more malleabile as peoples’ ideas of true nature changes.
I think the video was way too broad in how it lumped films together based on their shared setting to blame the overall genre for poor performance. _True Grit, The Lone Ranger, and Cowboys and Aliens_ had nothing in common other than taking place in the 19th century West. One did well because it was a well made movie with a reasonable budget. The other two, not so much. Several actors and filmmakers turned down working on the first _Pirates_ film because the genre had been box office poison for decades but one good movie flipped that around. I feel the same way now when so many people say that audiences have superhero burnout where I think the burnout is really on bad to mediocre superhero films.
@@valhatan3907 I love RDR2 as well but that game defies the theme that the original comment is talking about, with it taking place around the turn of the century and the wild west being tamed.
The problem is they tried to make it campy and funny, but the Lone Ranger was never any such thing. Sure it had some funny moments, but never like that.
Script writer: This film has inspired me. I want to do Pirates of the Caribean but with the lone ranger. Disney: Sounds cool. Script writer 2: This film has inspired me. I wanna do last of the Mohicans, but set in Ohio and make it a comedy. I'm going to call it the adventures of Arthur St. Clair, starring Johnny Depp. Disney: So, who is this Arthur St. Clair? Script writer 2: Don't worry. It's going to be totally politically correct. He's a white guy like Custer, but almost 100 years before Custer and much dumber than Custer and instead of having elite US cavalrymen, he had idiots with guns who were probably suffering from dysentery. It's going to be an Allegory for the direction of Disney. We're going to cast Dallas Goldtooth as Little Turtle and Zahn McClarnon as Blue Jacket... Disney: ...
@@saintgeinthere’s a scene where the antagonist eats the heart of one of his victims. the funny part is that the main character is played by Armie Hammer who allegedly is a cannibal
A couple of things more. You didn't mention one of the reasons the budget ballooned was the original story involved a werewolf that stayed in the movie until Dizzy pulled the plug and had them retool it, costing them millions. Another reason, I think, is the misguided attempt at pathos with the opening and closing bookends of Depp as old Tonto telling the movie in flashback to a kid before wandering off into the sunset at the end. This movie had no idea of what it wanted to be, so piled cliches, set pieces, and bad jokes before mercifully ending. It was doomed from the start.
I still remember when this movie came out. My parents went to see it in theaters and sang its praises to high heaven, begging me to go give it a chance too. I caved, and went. All I could really think throughout the entire film was how obvious they had tried so hard to parallel all of the popular elements of Pirates of the Caribbean and it left a terrible taste in my mouth.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Westworld was a movie first, made by Michael Crichton. The book you’re thinking of might be Jurassic Park, which uses a very similar premise for the conflict (Amusement park made with experimental technology goes awry, chaos and death ensues).
This movie exists as a surreal blur in my childhood. I also remember the Legos because it was cool seeing a cowboy theme. And they also heavily pushed LR in Disney Infinity, something me and the mates have would play all the time. Great video lad keep it up
I've never seen the movie, but hearing that there are 2 huge action scenes inbetween 2 hours of fluff means this film was doomed to the fate of "the best parts are on TH-cam". The train scene looks awesome, but it also looks like "what if Pirates of the Caribbean was in the wild west?" which doesn't help The Lone Ranger stick out. Which it kind of needed to with a budget that ballooned.
They didn't get a single thing right. Martian ships have never looked like that in any media previously, the White Martians don't show up until the 3rd book, and, they have no such advanced technology, the Martian's did NOT have tattoos, especially those hideous facial tattoos, the Martian's also were dressed wrong! The Martian's were supposed to be mostly nude, now you can't do that in a PG-13 Movie, but Conan the Barbarian type costumes would work instead of the mismatch stuff we got! It's sad that the knockoff B-Movie was actually better even with the miscast Traci Lords!
All in all, I enjoy most of these films, but over all they are a couple steps above passable. John Carter is my favorite. Prince of Persia was pretty good. Lone Ranger was enjoyable. Tomorrowland had a lot of potential but was so boring.
@@TheShowmanMovies um…. I think I only saw half of that one. It’s was on at a house I was at once. Can’t say I know it well enough to make a judgement call on it
A high budget western could work. The biggest problem is that they keep trying to make them as a stereotypical western and expecting people who don't like stereotypical westerns to like these movies. Or they just get incredibly weird with them (Wild Wild West, Cowboys v Aliens, etc...) This isn't like RDR2 where a person is playing a cowboy, this is people sitting still for however long watching someone else play a cowboy. You have to give audiences something more than just "western" for the genre to work in a high budget. Not only is the myth of cowboys more readily known now days, but a vast majority of successful movies of any genre do this sort of thing.
Not to mention all the pointless nonsense that they had in the movie that you easily could’ve cut, the most especially that rabbit scene…… And just a lot of other moments with John Reed, have they been cut out then the movie would of course not only be shorter and much better paced and length (which would also help them have more showtimes and make more money :-) been overall more focussed even an enjoyable :-) and the sad thing is, you can actually do it yourself with simple fan editing
I think one of the under-appreciated issues with potentially reviving Western films is that these stories have, at their core, a sense of wonder at expanding into the unknown. 99.999% of people today don’t have that feeling. They see high home prices, inflation, expensive land, wealth inequality and no opportunity for real growth or expansion. Even farmers see consolidation and people aging out of the profession while their kids move to the cities for jobs opportunities. It hits different when you see the frontier and know you won’t ever experience that (and also realize this frontier was somewhat of a lie to begin with, displacing people and cultures in the pursuit of expansion). Space provides a similar feeling without the sorrow because most people know they will never go to space and accept that. Oppenheimer and other biopics provide a similar feeling of wonder, but they are presented as great men. People we should look up to, but not people we can realistically be. The western hero was someone that young boys aspired to be. When that’s impossible and even children can see it, it doesn’t resonate with audiences. It doesn’t help when actors have perfect makeup and la k the grit that comes from a hard life. Movies like True Grit and The Reverent come closer, but focus on specific people’s struggles with life, which is more akin to the issues people face today. Of course, people may disagree, but I think this is at least one issue Western revival faces.
I love your comment btw! I am a millenial and i do agree somewhat, you need to have a heart of adventure to appreciate westerns (i think). I mean i watched the Magnificent 7 for the first time ever a year ago and i absolutely loved it, that movie still hits as good today as it did 50-ish years ago.
Most successful westerns today are really post westerns. They are about the mythology dying as the west is quickly civilized or acknowledging the corruption and oppression that these "fredoms" are founded on. No country for old men, Red dead redemption, and Killers of the flower moon are the western stories that society connects with.
there's also the fact that more and more people realize that the "wonder at expanding into the unknown" in Westerns is kind of...inherently colonialist in that Manifest Destiny way, where Native Americans are basically another part of the Untamed Wilderness rather than one's fellow man
I agree mostly with the final analysis. I truly loved this movie but it did feel all over the place in that I didn’t necessarily like that it started in a Princess Bride fashion of being a story within a story and it was overly comedic but also serious and heavy. I also didn’t think that the Lone Ranger was casted perfectly as he was too innocent and too clumsy. I feel that for John Reed to work, he should have been casted more like Orlando Bloom as Will Turner: competent and capable in the world he is being introduced into but still fresh and able to be molded into it. I do however think Johnny Depp did a great job as Tonto. I disagree that the western is dead; it is however not done right. The problem with the genre is the same with the pirates genre in that it hasn’t found it’s modern day footing. Before Pirates of the Caribbean, studios thought that pirate movies were box office poison. If you had the right cast, right crew, right mood and tone, with the right effects, color, lighting, and intentions, you could rekindle the western in the present day. I remember watching it and wanting it to succeed and have a couple sequels even with the problems I saw, but it failed and not to be revisited again.😔
The best thing to come out of this movie was having some new wild west themed lego sets. Hindsight (and being grown up with expendable income) is 20/20, wish I bought more of those sets, so so good.
The train action sequences in this movie, especially the huge final action scene, are amazing, and it’s a shame the rest of the movie couldn’t live up to that
On the topic of the real Native American massacre hurting the tone of the movie: I feel like the same thing happened for Blue Beetle. It's a light hearted fun superhero movie. Except the main character's father dies right in front of his family. And we have to watch a close Hispanic family deal with the death of their father. It just utterly kills the light hearted tone they were going for. It creates this depressive cloud that hangs over the entire movie. And yet none of the characters in the movie actually give it the emotional attention is deserves. They act like witnessing their father die is the same as losing a pet. Hell, I've seen families take losing a pet harder then blue beetle's family took losing their father. It just utterly kills what the movie was trying to accomplish and it's a trope by Hollywood that needs to die. Hollywood loves killing family members as just a check list item. Then the character is a bit sad in one scene, then by the next they're already laughing. It just tells me these Hollywood writers live safe, comfy little lives and they don't actually know what it's like to lose someone close. So they use their experience of having a bad day, or having their fish die, and just apply that to something much more extreme like witnesses your parents die. I lost my father. And I'm so fucking tired of seeing movies throw in the "dad dies" as a trope without the movie characters realistically reacting to something like that. It's just cheap and shows the writers as not good writers, but also just not good people as they can't even be sympathetic. Hollywood writing is such shit.
Yup, it would be pretty tasteless to fictionalize the events of a very famous war with an even more famous genocide that happened during it, to make a generic action movie with Brad Pitt. Fortunately, the award winning director would never do something so ugly.
My biggest issue with it is: Why Johnny Depp? Like they literally casted Pocahontas better than lone ranger, so... As for the Western is dead argument, idk, I mean I think it has potential, just perhaps not in the ways it's done, most of them in recent memory aren't all that serious or are just not 100% effort like the studios didn't try hard enough, perhaps something more emotional and gripping? Either way I think that westerns have potential they just gotta be done right, not a film but RDR2 did really well.
I have been watching some classic westerns from youtube . They are generally mid to low budget movies. Hero, the girl, the villan , his henchmen, town folk, town set , lots of scenery. As the video mentioned today that would be something like True Grit made for around $35 million. The problem is movie studios do not want to make $35 million movies , they want to make $120 million movies as part of franchises. So the old Hollywood style westerns don’t get made action movie franchises with western themes like this or Wild Wild West do.
I've been a fan of Depp since Edward Scissorhands but I'm sorry, his Tonto was not funny in the slightest. I caught this movie on cable and I didn't laugh at a single joke. Looks like he was forcing the comedy on Tonto, delivering the line in a comedic timing but the line was hopelessly unfunny.
Ironically, Tarantino made light of racist atrocities in American history himself *the exact year before* with his western Django Unchained. His point about the genocide scene in The Lone Ranger is valid but the fact that he was saying it specifically gives me vibes of "I'm not racist, guys."
The 1980 Lone Ranger was good. The 2013 Lone Ranger "the classic re-telling of" uh-oh, there you go. Johnny Depp as Tonto was played as a spoof, bad casting. Armie Hammer looked the part, though didn't like the clothes he wore. Once again if you have Johnny Depp you must have Helena Bonham Carter, ehhhh
Well if you wanna watch a Western made by Gore Verbinski, watch Rango. That film deserved to start a franchise, but Paramount did nothing with it. I say that as the world's biggest fan of Rango.
I love this movie; it's one of my favorites. The action and visuals are incredible and it has one of the best ever Hans Zimmer scores that is CRIMINALLY underrated. Butch Cavendish was also a very menacing villain that I stole every scene he was in.
I agree with just about everything you said in this video. It’s not a great movie, and it’s not a horrible movie, it’s just okay. I remember when it came out one of the complaints were Johnny Depp should’ve played the Lone Ranger. But I don’t know if that would’ve worked either.
Westerns that take place in the American wild west aren't popular, but films and shows that are westerns underneath the covers still thrive. Fallout, cowboy bebop, samurai jack, firefly to name a few are structured like a western and shared themes but have nothing to do with the traditional western setting.
I was gonna say. He definitely did not look white to me. Not fully at least. I'm just surprised by how distant his ancestry. He looks as if one of his parents are full Native American.
I was under the impression that he was part Cherokee, but if there is evidence otherwise, I am happy to stand corrected. He doesn't look white to me either.🤨
Just started watching your Disney flops video, enticing and intriguing. I really like that you don’t dismiss this film outright. Yes, it is a dud, but it is such a spectacular one that I find it interesting and mildly watchable.
I think almost every filmmaker secretly wishes to launch a new franchise, even if it's only a small one. Making movies is serious business in the post-blockbuster era, and the sheer amount of publicity that many films have received - especially in the 1980s and '90s - has been mind-boggling. There are entire collectible and novelty stores jam-packed with forgettable merchandising from nearly-as-forgettable films from 20 years ago or more. Even so, and as downbeat as these videos are, I appreciate honest tributes like this. Most entertainments will have quite a few people who enjoy them, regardless of how "good" or "cool" they are or are not. THE LONE RANGER has one of the most stirring climaxes in recent memory, especially when Depp is confronting Tom Wilkinson on the silver train. Hans Zimmer managed to turn "The William Tell Overture" into something almost completely new.
Great video on the Lone Ranger. Completely forgot about this movie. Ironically Johnny Depp's miscasting was the only interest i had in the film at the time. I didn't care for westerns but was a big Johnny Depp fan. But the reviews turned me off from ever seeing it, then i just forgot about it.
i honestly find suprising how much people hate this thing. Sure its not perfect by any means and the fact Depp as a white man is playing an indigenous man is just ugh but i remember me and my family were having so much fun watching this. Its just one big satire on old cowboy movies while adding some not so bad ideas to the mix. Its not perfect but i do not think its that awful
Am i the only one that liked this movie Literally everyone is just bashing this film in the comments for its flaws, yes it had some flaws but those can be overlooked, apart from that this was a great movie
My dad is a Lone Ranger fan and was disappointed. It was just a Pirates of the Carribean western version and not a Lone Ranger movie. Johnny Depp should as Toto was a terrible and baffling decision and should have casted a real Native American and Armie as the Lone Ranger was a pussy and not a real leader.
Wasn't that bad. The problem was PoTC. If Lone ranger would have been released first, we would have 5 Rangers and 1 failed Caribbean movie. It's the same thing with same star, you can't do a hit twice.
I really liked this movie... Still do. Not sure if it is because I am a big Johnny Depp fan or not, but I was never a fan of the original series of the Lone Ranger, so to me this was a funny version.
Would Underdog fall into this category? Cause honestly most of these films are just Disney’s failed attempts at live action films that weren’t remakes of animated films. Now that they know the live action remakes perform well at the box office, they’ve gotten to a point where those are the only live action films they make under the Disney banner.
They always overestimated Depp as a 'box office attraction'. Studio's seem to think that Depp+'wacky' role=instant $$$$$$$ which is obviously not the case but somehow they don't see that and kept casting him in such roles after pirates and those movies all failed pretty damn hard.
I’m pretty sure you could find Lone Ranger Lego sets in legoland Billund, almost a decade after they came out. No one wanted the movie and likewise, no one wanted the Lego sets.
Many individuals disparage this movie, but in my personal view, it actually turned out to be quite a commendable piece of cinema. I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. From the engaging storyline to the impressive performances, there were many aspects that resonated with me.
i feel like without any special mythology like the pirates universe (that gave the writers more freedom to explore) there would be nowhere left to take any sequels either way. regardless if it turned out to be a hit
Tarzan and the Lone Ranger. Two properties Hollywood keeps thinking has mass appeal, but doesn't in any way. Just because we all recognize the iconography, doesn't mean people care about them. Every ten years or so, someone dusts them off, assuming that people want them back for some reason. Their time in the pop culture zeitgeist is through. Let them rest - they had a good run.
The Disney animated Tarzan was still a decent hit in the box office, had a tv series, and direct to dvd midquel, and was featured in Kingdom hearts, its why a lot people say it was pretty much the end of the Disney renaissance. I don’t think having the general public being aware or care about a property is a clear sign of a dud, after all who years gave a shit about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the first movie came out, they weren’t even big with many marvel comics fans either.
Honestly the film had potential…The action scenes were definitely so well put together, especially the train crash…But it seemed to get a little too hard to follow and so many threads with the fantasy and evil spirits thrown out as quickly as it was mentioned and Tonto retelling his time with the Ranger to the kid and then being like “it’s up to you decide”. Undoubtedly was incredibly stupid.
The way the movie is structured it gives me vibes of a tv show sometimes. Theres alot of bloat because they are trying to tell many different stories and wxplore many different themes. If it was an 8 episode 40 min 1 hour per episode it could explore all that without becoming a bloated movie
I remember this movie most for the Constitution Lego train and the Johnny Depp controversy. I don't think I've ever seen it in full. It sounds like I didn't miss anything.
It's so interesting to see a childhood movie through the eyes of an adult. Also, I promise this movie will hit very differently, again, in another 20 years. Looking forward to that review!
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My Dad had these The Lone Ranger posters and giant action figures, the ranger and his horse, and they were beautiful! Toys are just not made the same anymore. I'm still sad my parents told me to sell them on eBay.
I love this movie, and even if it was intended for Kids I watched it around college age and maybe this character worked for me them, also I would like to point out that it is because of not everything being on Disney+ that I prefer to own Physical media and I do own all of the films you mentioned on Blu-ray and even shows like The Last of Us, Wednesday, Stranger Things or the Mandalorian I still preferencia to own them on disc unaltered, uncut and without fear of them being removed from their streaming service
The closes thing in genre to Lone Ranger to ever hit movie theaters is Zorro - as a sequel/ prequel/ reimagination, the lates comparable is 1998's "Mask of Zorro" with had a budget of 95 mUSD and a box office of 250 mUSD; adjusted for inflation that comes close to 135.7 mUSD for production and 357 mUSD for box office. The 2005 sequel performed much worse already with a 145 mUSD box office and production costs of 65 mUSD, signalling a dying trend in "masked vigilante western" as a genre. I find it quite baffling that a budget of anything close to 150 mUSD or above was even approved...
I do remember loving playing the Disney infinity version of this movie with my sister when we were kids They built a pretty cool sandbox old west town for kids to have fun in
It had its problems, to be sure - it was too long and the framing device was weird, but there was a lot to enjoy in this movie; I was sorry they didn't make a follow up. The final train/horse chase complete with William Tell overture is outrageous - in a good way!
GREAT MOVIE!!!! Almost as good as John Carter, the previous flop. Pirates of the Caribbean made money, but eh...those were ok movies. But Lone Ranger and John Carter are two of the best movies ever made.
All I could remember when I saw this being advertised was “Who cares about this property in 2013?” It’d be like doing a Brady Bunch reboot in 2030 or something.
Having Johnny Depp play a Native American was...a choice. Certainly it was the choice they made. And Johnny Depp playing it how he did (based upon the reviews & previews, i never saw it) was ALSO a choice. Certainly a choice.
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it’s really funny to me that this movie got a huge disney infinity playset and world and frozen just got two figures who didn’t even reflect the final designs of the characters. it’s a really good example of this phenomenon
Loner Ranger in Disney Infinite.... failureception
I had that set at one point.
They weren't expecting Frozen to be a hit, let alone a cultural phenomenon. They couldn't make those Frozen figures fast enough.
Fuck frozen
I went to a Toys R Us about a year after the movie came out and they had that giant crate of Lone Ranger Disney Infinity Figures on clearance sale for literally 1 Euro.
The lone ranger could have been a really tight fun 100 minute film.
Its not bad its a decent action flick
Yeah, it was way too long and over bloated.
There's a fan edit that does do something like that, and it's a lot of fun in that lense now.
And the moon could have been pink but it ain't.
This movie helped me get over my ex when it came out. My mom asked me if wanted to go cause i was all depressed. movie was long and boring i was able to zone out and reflect on my relationship i had lost while at the theater😂😂😂
No, sounds like you just didn't give a fuck because you were sad. The movie was pretty damn funny, you literally didn't pay attention lmao you JUST said so
Bruuhh
Oh bro that would be the one single good thing about that movie, for real. Literally can't thing about anything else, watched it one time and it was at least one time too much 😅😅😅
You know that a film is in trouble when it needs to gross *800,000,000 Dollars* just to break even.
I think the rest of Hollywood learned that the hard way just last year.
Hollywood is a tax credit and money laundering scheme
Budgets are crazy nowadays. Hollywood is being delusional when every movie need to earn 1 billion to be considered a success.
Disney itself had to learn it again, _FOUR TIMES_ , last year with the Little Mermaid remake, Quantumania, Indiana Jones and The Marvels all having budgets of about 250+ million, all of them losing money. How much money was lost depends on the added costs after the budgets, generally a movie needs at least 2-3 times its budget to break even and out of those four only The Little Mermaid grossed almost double its budget while definitely having enough marketing costs that the triple budget mark is probably closer to the break even point.
It's gonna take them a while for them to get their s#$t together before they stop force feeding us mediocre movies that nobody wants.
so tthe only problem is they spent too much money? it was a fun movie. stop over anal-lyizing it.
It’s fascinating to think in the span of two years Gore Verbinski directed two bizarre westerns that star Johnny depp and composed by Han Zimmer.
Ah yes, Han Zimmer
Rewatched Rango recently because it happened to be on TV, and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Think it held up quite well
@@eric2709rango is the bomb
The biggest flaw was that the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. It was trying to be gritty, comedy, drama, adventure, all rolled into one. I lt was all over the place.
Like everyone else has said, they were trying to make it into pirates of the Caribbean but it’s missing all of the charm, character, and writing that made those movies entertaining. So you’re just left with a bland and desperate film
exactly..... Gore Verbinski was good with charming settings and charming premises. but the Lone Ranger isn't really that charming
The biggest flaw was the main character. Nobody is terribly interested in the Lone Ranger, and they compounded it by making him a buffoon, just so Johnny Depp could literally act like a twat.
That's called range and The Lone Ranger was an amazing movie.
The Lone Ranger Lego sets were the best
The freaking kick ass, I’d sell my firstborn for a second wave.
@@thehydratedaustralian2127 I also think they were incredible but wtf
I only ever had one of those sets, and wanted to get some more but by the time I went looking for them they were out of production. They were awesome.
I had all of them, even the tiny polybag sets, but I sold them. One of the biggest regrets of my life.
The train set they did for the movie is genuinely in my top 5 LEGO sets ever, I love it so much
its fascinating because the Green Hornet reboot made the same mistake with the Hornet by making him the totally incompetent comic relief character who grows a bit in the third act, and it also failed yet they made the same mistake here. I think the whole thing there showed they didn't really like the source material and the making Tonto the hero then casting a white guy to play him was one of those bizarre decisions that was going to please no one. Cast an American Indian actor and make both he and the Lone Ranger competent and heroic but with different strengths and flaws that need each other and you have a good movie. And for god sakes don't spend more than 100 million on a Western!
I think there is a book that all Hollywood screenwriters have to read that says something like “ the characters have to show growth throughout the script “. Which is not true . My childhood batman and superman were heros at the beginning of the story and heros at the end. The other problem is if you are a bad writer the easiest way to “ show growth “ is to start with a mediocre character and have them learn something really obvious to become slightly less mediocre.
Answer: they wanted to turn The Lone Ranger into Pirates of the Caribbean in the West.
And I don’t hate that idea, but do it right
I mean
Rango its one of my favorites movie, and its basically that
@@kitsunepryde507 Well, it's basically Uncle Duke as a lizard.
@@jonahfalcon1970and later he become the man with no name as a lizard
@@jonahfalcon1970and you play Red Dead Redemption?
I got to work 30 days as a extra on this movie in New Mexico as a railroad worker. It was a blast. Great food and constant weed smoking.
Hi from NM!
@@Pyraticalpunk sup
Lone Ranger films do seem cursed to almost be good, but not quite making it. The trouble here was they based the Lone Ranger on Seths Green Hornet, made Tonto the comic relief, and made too long a movie.
An appropriate connection, since LR and GH are related properties (and, in their radio incarnations, the two characters are related -- Britt Reid (Green Hornet) was the great nephew of the Lone Ranger.
I was confused by the devil 🐰 . What the f*&= were those? Did it mean something? Also the John Reid character was poorly developed. The story in the 1981 Legend Of The Lone Ranger was more clear. The actor, LR costume was better too. Armie Hammer's huge white Texas style hat was goofy 🤔 as was the dead crow 🐦⬛ on JD's hair.
The problem with modern westerns is not that people don't like westerns anymore, it's that they're being made with the wrong themes. Westerns are about a desire to regress to an imagined ideal past when we were supposedly far less complicated and everyone was allowed to follow their natures. That's why Tarentino can still make a good western -- by my definition, ALL Tarentino movies are westerns.
(PS, Pirates of the Caribbean was good because the screenwriters, Elliott and Rossio, were the same guys who wrote Shrek and Aladdin.)
Strange how "everyone was allowed to follow their natures" in these movies means "men shoot people to get what they want." it's only ideal because you think you'll be the person doing the shooting instead of being shot.
The trouble is what you have described doesn’t need to be a western. It could be set say “ a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away “ . That allows the imaginary past to be more malleabile as peoples’ ideas of true nature changes.
I think the video was way too broad in how it lumped films together based on their shared setting to blame the overall genre for poor performance. _True Grit, The Lone Ranger, and Cowboys and Aliens_ had nothing in common other than taking place in the 19th century West. One did well because it was a well made movie with a reasonable budget. The other two, not so much. Several actors and filmmakers turned down working on the first _Pirates_ film because the genre had been box office poison for decades but one good movie flipped that around. I feel the same way now when so many people say that audiences have superhero burnout where I think the burnout is really on bad to mediocre superhero films.
@@valhatan3907 I love RDR2 as well but that game defies the theme that the original comment is talking about, with it taking place around the turn of the century and the wild west being tamed.
The problem is they tried to make it campy and funny, but the Lone Ranger was never any such thing. Sure it had some funny moments, but never like that.
They seemed to see Young Guns 2 & say hey ... that can work! 💡
Yeah, I've always loved the sincerity of the TV show from the 40s and 50s. It was absolutely absurd at times, but it was incredibly sincere
Script writer: This film has inspired me. I want to do Pirates of the Caribean but with the lone ranger.
Disney: Sounds cool.
Script writer 2: This film has inspired me. I wanna do last of the Mohicans, but set in Ohio and make it a comedy. I'm going to call it the adventures of Arthur St. Clair, starring Johnny Depp.
Disney: So, who is this Arthur St. Clair?
Script writer 2: Don't worry. It's going to be totally politically correct. He's a white guy like Custer, but almost 100 years before Custer and much dumber than Custer and instead of having elite US cavalrymen, he had idiots with guns who were probably suffering from dysentery. It's going to be an Allegory for the direction of Disney. We're going to cast Dallas Goldtooth as Little Turtle and Zahn McClarnon as Blue Jacket...
Disney: ...
They made The Lone Ranger look like an idiot!
Ya know what's funny, cannibalism happened in this film and not to the alleged cannibal himself
I’m so confused please explain
@@saintgeinthere’s a scene where the antagonist eats the heart of one of his victims. the funny part is that the main character is played by Armie Hammer who allegedly is a cannibal
@@joaofigueiredo3048That's gross.
Cannibalism is very wicked. Yahuah is not pleased.
A couple of things more.
You didn't mention one of the reasons the budget ballooned was the original story involved a werewolf that stayed in the movie until Dizzy pulled the plug and had them retool it, costing them millions.
Another reason, I think, is the misguided attempt at pathos with the opening and closing bookends of Depp as old Tonto telling the movie in flashback to a kid before wandering off into the sunset at the end.
This movie had no idea of what it wanted to be, so piled cliches, set pieces, and bad jokes before mercifully ending. It was doomed from the start.
Yeah the Young Guns 2 story rip off & wierd images pulled the film down. Armie Hammer's strange wardrobe choices for Lone Ranger were hard to follow.
Honestly westerners don’t work as big bombastic flicks they work as grounded honest adventures
Tombstone is pretty Shakespearean + campy.
I still remember when this movie came out. My parents went to see it in theaters and sang its praises to high heaven, begging me to go give it a chance too. I caved, and went. All I could really think throughout the entire film was how obvious they had tried so hard to parallel all of the popular elements of Pirates of the Caribbean and it left a terrible taste in my mouth.
Let's not forget about Westworld and how that wove western and sci-fi together brilliantly. Not a movie but worth a mention.
That first season of Westworld was amazing
Westworld was originally a movie, the show's a re-imagining of it, & I believe it was based on a book or short story in the first place.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Westworld was a movie first, made by Michael Crichton. The book you’re thinking of might be Jurassic Park, which uses a very similar premise for the conflict (Amusement park made with experimental technology goes awry, chaos and death ensues).
westworld is a film, and never ever was made into a tv show. 😏
The Lone Ranger was everything Rango directly opposed to as a movie
This movie exists as a surreal blur in my childhood. I also remember the Legos because it was cool seeing a cowboy theme. And they also heavily pushed LR in Disney Infinity, something me and the mates have would play all the time. Great video lad keep it up
Maybe I am beating a dead horse with this, but the film's score is very well written.
I've never seen the movie, but hearing that there are 2 huge action scenes inbetween 2 hours of fluff means this film was doomed to the fate of "the best parts are on TH-cam". The train scene looks awesome, but it also looks like "what if Pirates of the Caribbean was in the wild west?" which doesn't help The Lone Ranger stick out. Which it kind of needed to with a budget that ballooned.
People making John Carter didn't know the first damn thing about John Carter!
He's an awesome character.
The people marketing the films didn’t know anything about John carter, Andrew Stanton definitely cared about it
They didn't get a single thing right. Martian ships have never looked like that in any media previously, the White Martians don't show up until the 3rd book, and, they have no such advanced technology, the Martian's did NOT have tattoos, especially those hideous facial tattoos, the Martian's also were dressed wrong! The Martian's were supposed to be mostly nude, now you can't do that in a PG-13 Movie, but Conan the Barbarian type costumes would work instead of the mismatch stuff we got! It's sad that the knockoff B-Movie was actually better even with the miscast Traci Lords!
All in all, I enjoy most of these films, but over all they are a couple steps above passable.
John Carter is my favorite.
Prince of Persia was pretty good.
Lone Ranger was enjoyable.
Tomorrowland had a lot of potential but was so boring.
What about sorcerers apprentice?
@@TheShowmanMovies um…. I think I only saw half of that one. It’s was on at a house I was at once. Can’t say I know it well enough to make a judgement call on it
A high budget western could work. The biggest problem is that they keep trying to make them as a stereotypical western and expecting people who don't like stereotypical westerns to like these movies.
Or they just get incredibly weird with them (Wild Wild West, Cowboys v Aliens, etc...)
This isn't like RDR2 where a person is playing a cowboy, this is people sitting still for however long watching someone else play a cowboy.
You have to give audiences something more than just "western" for the genre to work in a high budget. Not only is the myth of cowboys more readily known now days, but a vast majority of successful movies of any genre do this sort of thing.
Not to mention all the pointless nonsense that they had in the movie that you easily could’ve cut, the most especially that rabbit scene…… And just a lot of other moments with John Reed, have they been cut out then the movie would of course not only be shorter and much better paced and length (which would also help them have more showtimes and make more money :-) been overall more focussed even an enjoyable :-) and the sad thing is, you can actually do it yourself with simple fan editing
John Carter (of Mars) could have worked had Disney had any f*cking idea how to market science-fi or fantasy.
I think one of the under-appreciated issues with potentially reviving Western films is that these stories have, at their core, a sense of wonder at expanding into the unknown. 99.999% of people today don’t have that feeling. They see high home prices, inflation, expensive land, wealth inequality and no opportunity for real growth or expansion. Even farmers see consolidation and people aging out of the profession while their kids move to the cities for jobs opportunities. It hits different when you see the frontier and know you won’t ever experience that (and also realize this frontier was somewhat of a lie to begin with, displacing people and cultures in the pursuit of expansion). Space provides a similar feeling without the sorrow because most people know they will never go to space and accept that. Oppenheimer and other biopics provide a similar feeling of wonder, but they are presented as great men. People we should look up to, but not people we can realistically be. The western hero was someone that young boys aspired to be. When that’s impossible and even children can see it, it doesn’t resonate with audiences. It doesn’t help when actors have perfect makeup and la k the grit that comes from a hard life. Movies like True Grit and The Reverent come closer, but focus on specific people’s struggles with life, which is more akin to the issues people face today. Of course, people may disagree, but I think this is at least one issue Western revival faces.
I love your comment btw! I am a millenial and i do agree somewhat, you need to have a heart of adventure to appreciate westerns (i think). I mean i watched the Magnificent 7 for the first time ever a year ago and i absolutely loved it, that movie still hits as good today as it did 50-ish years ago.
Most successful westerns today are really post westerns. They are about the mythology dying as the west is quickly civilized or acknowledging the corruption and oppression that these "fredoms" are founded on.
No country for old men, Red dead redemption, and Killers of the flower moon are the western stories that society connects with.
there's also the fact that more and more people realize that the "wonder at expanding into the unknown" in Westerns is kind of...inherently colonialist in that Manifest Destiny way, where Native Americans are basically another part of the Untamed Wilderness rather than one's fellow man
My guilty pleasure film 😅 I'm a suckered for westerns shot on modern hardware
“Mommy can we get the movie Dead Man!?”
“We have dead man at home”
It was too expensive. The tone was wrong and the marketing was terrible. Would have been better as a TV show
I agree mostly with the final analysis. I truly loved this movie but it did feel all over the place in that I didn’t necessarily like that it started in a Princess Bride fashion of being a story within a story and it was overly comedic but also serious and heavy. I also didn’t think that the Lone Ranger was casted perfectly as he was too innocent and too clumsy. I feel that for John Reed to work, he should have been casted more like Orlando Bloom as Will Turner: competent and capable in the world he is being introduced into but still fresh and able to be molded into it. I do however think Johnny Depp did a great job as Tonto. I disagree that the western is dead; it is however not done right. The problem with the genre is the same with the pirates genre in that it hasn’t found it’s modern day footing. Before Pirates of the Caribbean, studios thought that pirate movies were box office poison. If you had the right cast, right crew, right mood and tone, with the right effects, color, lighting, and intentions, you could rekindle the western in the present day. I remember watching it and wanting it to succeed and have a couple sequels even with the problems I saw, but it failed and not to be revisited again.😔
The best thing to come out of this movie was having some new wild west themed lego sets. Hindsight (and being grown up with expendable income) is 20/20, wish I bought more of those sets, so so good.
for real, I'm hoping LEGO will revive the western theme one day but it's seems unlikely
On the contrary, I think the score is very well written.
I saw it in theatres when it came out, I vaguely remember the big train set-piece and absolutely nothing else.
I recall the devil demon 🐰 was that part of the werewolf B sub plot?
I remember that weekend, I bought Red Dead Redemption for XBOX 360 and then I went to watch this movie.
Guess wich western was more epic and fun.....
The train action sequences in this movie, especially the huge final action scene, are amazing, and it’s a shame the rest of the movie couldn’t live up to that
On the topic of the real Native American massacre hurting the tone of the movie:
I feel like the same thing happened for Blue Beetle. It's a light hearted fun superhero movie. Except the main character's father dies right in front of his family. And we have to watch a close Hispanic family deal with the death of their father. It just utterly kills the light hearted tone they were going for. It creates this depressive cloud that hangs over the entire movie. And yet none of the characters in the movie actually give it the emotional attention is deserves. They act like witnessing their father die is the same as losing a pet. Hell, I've seen families take losing a pet harder then blue beetle's family took losing their father.
It just utterly kills what the movie was trying to accomplish and it's a trope by Hollywood that needs to die. Hollywood loves killing family members as just a check list item. Then the character is a bit sad in one scene, then by the next they're already laughing. It just tells me these Hollywood writers live safe, comfy little lives and they don't actually know what it's like to lose someone close. So they use their experience of having a bad day, or having their fish die, and just apply that to something much more extreme like witnesses your parents die.
I lost my father. And I'm so fucking tired of seeing movies throw in the "dad dies" as a trope without the movie characters realistically reacting to something like that. It's just cheap and shows the writers as not good writers, but also just not good people as they can't even be sympathetic. Hollywood writing is such shit.
After those remarks, it’s a good thing Tarantino never made a lighthearted action/comedy movie about slavery or nazis or the Manson murders
Yup, it would be pretty tasteless to fictionalize the events of a very famous war with an even more famous genocide that happened during it, to make a generic action movie with Brad Pitt. Fortunately, the award winning director would never do something so ugly.
Those movies have comedy but they are certainly not lighthearted and that’s the difference.
My biggest issue with it is:
Why Johnny Depp? Like they literally casted Pocahontas better than lone ranger, so...
As for the Western is dead argument, idk, I mean I think it has potential, just perhaps not in the ways it's done, most of them in recent memory aren't all that serious or are just not 100% effort like the studios didn't try hard enough, perhaps something more emotional and gripping? Either way I think that westerns have potential they just gotta be done right, not a film but RDR2 did really well.
Simple: The suits at Disney wanted that Pirates money again. They hired their golden goose... what can go wrong??? 😂
I have been watching some classic westerns from youtube . They are generally mid to low budget movies. Hero, the girl, the villan , his henchmen, town folk, town set , lots of scenery. As the video mentioned today that would be something like True Grit made for around $35 million. The problem is movie studios do not want to make $35 million movies , they want to make $120 million movies as part of franchises. So the old Hollywood style westerns don’t get made action movie franchises with western themes like this or Wild Wild West do.
I've been a fan of Depp since Edward Scissorhands but I'm sorry, his Tonto was not funny in the slightest. I caught this movie on cable and I didn't laugh at a single joke. Looks like he was forcing the comedy on Tonto, delivering the line in a comedic timing but the line was hopelessly unfunny.
Ironically, Tarantino made light of racist atrocities in American history himself *the exact year before* with his western Django Unchained. His point about the genocide scene in The Lone Ranger is valid but the fact that he was saying it specifically gives me vibes of "I'm not racist, guys."
I feel like the context of the two movies are too different to compare.
@@sheeplastname430 I agree. Lone Ranger is supposed to be primarily camp, Django clearly was going for more brutal aspirations.
How many times samuel jackson gotta say he's not racist for people to understand 😭
@@tomekk.1889the word or one man doesn’t suddenly make it true
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The only reason I know Lone Ranger exists is because I remember seeing the Lego sets in the "Lego Club Magazine" as a kid.
The 1980 Lone Ranger was good. The 2013 Lone Ranger "the classic re-telling of" uh-oh, there you go. Johnny Depp as Tonto was played as a spoof, bad casting. Armie Hammer looked the part, though didn't like the clothes he wore. Once again if you have Johnny Depp you must have Helena Bonham Carter, ehhhh
I wish folks would just realize that Johnny Depp is not as good as he thinks he is.
Well if you wanna watch a Western made by Gore Verbinski, watch Rango. That film deserved to start a franchise, but Paramount did nothing with it. I say that as the world's biggest fan of Rango.
I love this movie; it's one of my favorites. The action and visuals are incredible and it has one of the best ever Hans Zimmer scores that is CRIMINALLY underrated. Butch Cavendish was also a very menacing villain that I stole every scene he was in.
I'm really happy that somebody loves this movie. Gotta give it a shot sometime.
@@elijahblechman8633the train chase at the climax of the movie is worth seeing.
Depps delivery of 'don't ever do that again' did make me exhale quickly
The dead bird on Tonto's head didn't help.
I agree with just about everything you said in this video. It’s not a great movie, and it’s not a horrible movie, it’s just okay.
I remember when it came out one of the complaints were Johnny Depp should’ve played the Lone Ranger. But I don’t know if that would’ve worked either.
It might have worked if it had been written well. 🤔
Westerns that take place in the American wild west aren't popular, but films and shows that are westerns underneath the covers still thrive. Fallout, cowboy bebop, samurai jack, firefly to name a few are structured like a western and shared themes but have nothing to do with the traditional western setting.
I was told that Johnny Depp is part Native American, and the markup he was wearing was from his ancestry tribe
I was gonna say. He definitely did not look white to me. Not fully at least. I'm just surprised by how distant his ancestry. He looks as if one of his parents are full Native American.
@@NoCluYToh that’s laughable
I was under the impression that he was part Cherokee, but if there is evidence otherwise, I am happy to stand corrected. He doesn't look white to me either.🤨
@@ThenewboidahliaThe reason he wore the makeup the entire movie because he is obviously a white guy and didn’t show it. Lol
@@petermj1098He’s part black, probably not native
Just started watching your Disney flops video, enticing and intriguing. I really like that you don’t dismiss this film outright. Yes, it is a dud, but it is such a spectacular one that I find it interesting and mildly watchable.
I think almost every filmmaker secretly wishes to launch a new franchise, even if it's only a small one. Making movies is serious business in the post-blockbuster era, and the sheer amount of publicity that many films have received - especially in the 1980s and '90s - has been mind-boggling. There are entire collectible and novelty stores jam-packed with forgettable merchandising from nearly-as-forgettable films from 20 years ago or more.
Even so, and as downbeat as these videos are, I appreciate honest tributes like this. Most entertainments will have quite a few people who enjoy them, regardless of how "good" or "cool" they are or are not. THE LONE RANGER has one of the most stirring climaxes in recent memory, especially when Depp is confronting Tom Wilkinson on the silver train. Hans Zimmer managed to turn "The William Tell Overture" into something almost completely new.
Great video on the Lone Ranger. Completely forgot about this movie.
Ironically Johnny Depp's miscasting was the only interest i had in the film at the time. I didn't care for westerns but was a big Johnny Depp fan. But the reviews turned me off from ever seeing it, then i just forgot about it.
Hey Makoto remember me?
@@joaquinvaleri7022 Sorry i have terrible memory. lol
@@Makoto03 what happen to you?
@@joaquinvaleri7022 nothing. I'm not sure what you mean.
@@Makoto03 you say you have a terrible memory
In fairness…I found the “high-ho silver” bit to be absolutely hilarious 😂
3:39 “leading man/cannibal” lmao
AH like those meaty roles! 🍖
i honestly find suprising how much people hate this thing. Sure its not perfect by any means and the fact Depp as a white man is playing an indigenous man is just ugh but i remember me and my family were having so much fun watching this. Its just one big satire on old cowboy movies while adding some not so bad ideas to the mix. Its not perfect but i do not think its that awful
Am i the only one that liked this movie
Literally everyone is just bashing this film in the comments for its flaws, yes it had some flaws but those can be overlooked, apart from that this was a great movie
My dad is a Lone Ranger fan and was disappointed. It was just a Pirates of the Carribean western version and not a Lone Ranger movie.
Johnny Depp should as Toto was a terrible and baffling decision and should have casted a real Native American and Armie as the Lone Ranger was a pussy and not a real leader.
Wasn't that bad. The problem was PoTC. If Lone ranger would have been released first, we would have 5 Rangers and 1 failed Caribbean movie. It's the same thing with same star, you can't do a hit twice.
Banger series. Keep it up and you’re gonna get real big. Subbed
Thank you!
I really liked this movie... Still do. Not sure if it is because I am a big Johnny Depp fan or not, but I was never a fan of the original series of the Lone Ranger, so to me this was a funny version.
I loved this movie. Such a great vibe.
I actually loved this movie despite its flaws. It’s fun, the visuals are amazing, and the soundtrack is a masterpiece.
Would Underdog fall into this category? Cause honestly most of these films are just Disney’s failed attempts at live action films that weren’t remakes of animated films. Now that they know the live action remakes perform well at the box office, they’ve gotten to a point where those are the only live action films they make under the Disney banner.
Oh...Underdog. Oh, the pain. THE PAIN!!😅😂
They always overestimated Depp as a 'box office attraction'.
Studio's seem to think that Depp+'wacky' role=instant $$$$$$$ which is obviously not the case but somehow they don't see that and kept casting him in such roles after pirates and those movies all failed pretty damn hard.
It doesn't help Johny Deep is playing Captain Sparrow.
I still kinda like it. It would have been better it it wasn't a victim of its production not embracing the original work and instead making fun of it.
Johnny Depp as Tonto is probably the only reason anyone DID go to see it.
I’m pretty sure you could find Lone Ranger Lego sets in legoland Billund, almost a decade after they came out. No one wanted the movie and likewise, no one wanted the Lego sets.
Many individuals disparage this movie, but in my personal view, it actually turned out to be quite a commendable piece of cinema. I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. From the engaging storyline to the impressive performances, there were many aspects that resonated with me.
Not to mention a great soundtrack
Damn Despicable me did so much more damage to Disney than i thought well done illumination
i feel like without any special mythology like the pirates universe (that gave the writers more freedom to explore) there would be nowhere left to take any sequels either way. regardless if it turned out to be a hit
Even as an edgy teen I liked Lone Ranger
Despicable me on the other hand I despise to this day as a franchise
Tarzan and the Lone Ranger. Two properties Hollywood keeps thinking has mass appeal, but doesn't in any way. Just because we all recognize the iconography, doesn't mean people care about them. Every ten years or so, someone dusts them off, assuming that people want them back for some reason. Their time in the pop culture zeitgeist is through. Let them rest - they had a good run.
Like a lot of things, they're products of their time and time has moved on from them.
The Disney animated Tarzan was still a decent hit in the box office, had a tv series, and direct to dvd midquel, and was featured in Kingdom hearts, its why a lot people say it was pretty much the end of the Disney renaissance.
I don’t think having the general public being aware or care about a property is a clear sign of a dud, after all who years gave a shit about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the first movie came out, they weren’t even big with many marvel comics fans either.
Or whoever picks them up every 10 years should try to understand them better. But please, could we not milk the “original ideas” cow dry
PHIL COLLINS!
Honestly the film had potential…The action scenes were definitely so well put together, especially the train crash…But it seemed to get a little too hard to follow and so many threads with the fantasy and evil spirits thrown out as quickly as it was mentioned and Tonto retelling his time with the Ranger to the kid and then being like “it’s up to you decide”. Undoubtedly was incredibly stupid.
The way the movie is structured it gives me vibes of a tv show sometimes.
Theres alot of bloat because they are trying to tell many different stories and wxplore many different themes.
If it was an 8 episode 40 min 1 hour per episode it could explore all that without becoming a bloated movie
I remember this movie most for the Constitution Lego train and the Johnny Depp controversy. I don't think I've ever seen it in full. It sounds like I didn't miss anything.
Lesson learned don't always go against with despicable opening
It's so interesting to see a childhood movie through the eyes of an adult. Also, I promise this movie will hit very differently, again, in another 20 years. Looking forward to that review!
When I first saw trailers for it, my reaction was "What the hell is an Armie Hammer?"
I would love to hear your thoughts on John Carter. We enjoyed that movie, but it does have its issues. Wish there could have been a sequel.
chicken pox? when your film crew has an outbreak of a childrens disease something fishy is going on...
Could be Rust! 🤠
chickenpox is a really serious illness in adulthood. It's not uncommon for unvaccinated adults or adults who didn't develop immunity after catching it in childhood to get the virus
I liked this movie saw it with my dad
This movie's legacy is a pretty solid line of wild west LEGO sets, which I'm thankful for.
My Dad had these The Lone Ranger posters and giant action figures, the ranger and his horse, and they were beautiful! Toys are just not made the same anymore. I'm still sad my parents told me to sell them on eBay.
I love this movie, and even if it was intended for Kids I watched it around college age and maybe this character worked for me them, also I would like to point out that it is because of not everything being on Disney+ that I prefer to own Physical media and I do own all of the films you mentioned on Blu-ray and even shows like The Last of Us, Wednesday, Stranger Things or the Mandalorian I still preferencia to own them on disc unaltered, uncut and without fear of them being removed from their streaming service
The closes thing in genre to Lone Ranger to ever hit movie theaters is Zorro - as a sequel/ prequel/ reimagination, the lates comparable is 1998's "Mask of Zorro" with had a budget of 95 mUSD and a box office of 250 mUSD; adjusted for inflation that comes close to 135.7 mUSD for production and 357 mUSD for box office.
The 2005 sequel performed much worse already with a 145 mUSD box office and production costs of 65 mUSD, signalling a dying trend in "masked vigilante western" as a genre.
I find it quite baffling that a budget of anything close to 150 mUSD or above was even approved...
I really enjoyed the film. It was gritty and funny. The action was cool.
Needless to say, Gore Verbinski already made an awesome Western film the year prior with Rango.
I still enjoy THE LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER (1981), a highly Underrated Classic Film.
I liked it, so nothing went wrong, but thanks for telling me what the echo chamber said.
its boring as hell, stop consuming slop
i rarely enjoy disney films, or like johnny depp, but i liked the lone ranger. then again, i also liked waterworld.
I do remember loving playing the Disney infinity version of this movie with my sister when we were kids
They built a pretty cool sandbox old west town for kids to have fun in
One thing I’ve realized is that I’ve seen most, if not all, of these movies in theaters. It makes me laugh a little
It had its problems, to be sure - it was too long and the framing device was weird, but there was a lot to enjoy in this movie; I was sorry they didn't make a follow up. The final train/horse chase complete with William Tell overture is outrageous - in a good way!
I spent years shaking my fist at the sky saying STOP TRYING TO MAKE ARMIE HAMMER HAPPEN
GREAT MOVIE!!!!
Almost as good as John Carter, the previous flop.
Pirates of the Caribbean made money, but eh...those were ok movies.
But Lone Ranger and John Carter are two of the best movies ever made.
This tells me that Kevin Costner Horizon movie coming out this year will probably flop at the box office even if it’s a good movie.
All I could remember when I saw this being advertised was “Who cares about this property in 2013?” It’d be like doing a Brady Bunch reboot in 2030 or something.
Having Johnny Depp play a Native American was...a choice. Certainly it was the choice they made.
And Johnny Depp playing it how he did (based upon the reviews & previews, i never saw it) was ALSO a choice. Certainly a choice.
I loved this movie when i saw it at like 12 years old, haven't seen it since