I remember reading how Divergent was the book that killed the Dystopia YA trend in books because people started to realize how bare bones it is and that the genre itself had nothing to add
Tbh I liked it because it was so straightforward and bare, it felt symbolic in a way. I’ve only ever read the first book anyway. I think I remember seeing that she intended for it to be a standalone but people loved it so she continued it.
@@pnd-uc8bt Really? I read all the 3 books. The second one was extremely boring while the 3rd one was a mess (you had the writer merging 2 books with 2 different stories in one).
@@sfappetrupavelandreiI guess the writer realized she didn’t quite have much or nothing more to add except a kinda generic backstory. At best the end of the 1st feels like a YA version of Plato’s cave where the divergents and non-divergents can be free, which is alright in its own merit. I only watched the films and read the rest on Wikipedia, but nothing really speaks to me it needed to be something as big as a franchise
The Maze Runner came out in the same time when there were still huge hypes for The Hunger Games so it gave audience hope that other YA books can be adapted to movies. Even after Mockingjay ended, there is still some interest in the YA genre atleast for 2 years, which was exactly when the last two Maze Runner came out.
Maze Runner is the most satisfying of them all. They didn't get greedy. Hunger games had a fantastic first movie and then just declined. Splitting the ending of any trilogy in 2 parts makes the first part always awkward and kinda hollow, not even Harry Potter escaped this which is the only of these series worth re-watching
"The 5th Wave" starring Chloe Grace Moretz was another potential millenial dystopian trilogy but ended with one movie, based on trilogy novels. I guess the genre petered out.
The fact that the author wrote the books in just a few weeks really tells you a lot that it seemed doomed in the first place. I mean, these Divergent books at first seemed like a best selling book but literally years later, we seemed to be forgotten that these books exists
some of the greatests stories were written in a week or even weekend........ so that really isnt a factor. but ty as usual commentors always come in droves with lack of inormation, full of assumptions.
The problem with all these dystopian YA series that came around the same time as the hunger games or tried to ride the coat tails of THG success, is that they can't hold a candle to THG. Suzanne Collins is a good writer and she built a believable world and used her story to bring light to serious societal issues while making her characters feel like humans. A lot of these other dystopian YA novels just aren't well written.
Exactly.I remember being in the dentist office with a hunger games pin on my jean jacket and my dentist was like "I love those movies, I think our world can definitely become like that"
@@TheBelrick It's not entirely unprecedented in history. The soviet union had a number of "closed cities" dedicated to a strategic industry like military bases or nuclear research. They were often in the middle of Siberia and you needed special permission to enter or leave them. The point of each of the Panem districts being dedicated to a single industry was to make each of them reliant on support from the rest of Panem, and completely dependent on their totalitarian government.
@@normalgirlcvco It didn't make sense with the Twilight saga at all, however, I think the Hunger Games franchise actually pulled off the part 1 and part 2 very well. Maybe even pulled it off better than Harry Potter which had a weak part 1. Mockingjay part 1 is exactly what a part 1 movie should be like
The first two movies Divergent and the 2nd Movie were Legend let down by the 3rd Movie which was not really a killer more a Series left in Limbo Should have done more and with a great Follow on Story Script could have done Sadly Wasted
Harry Potter was 7 books, where splitting the final book to an adventure movie and a movie centers around a battle made sense. Hunger Games 3rd movie felt way lesser of a story than Allegiant was. I think it really was the fact that the movie genre felt overun by the late 2010s, and the fact that they didn't film the final 2 movies simultaneously like Harry Potter and Hunger Games were.
probably because THG was never actually about a love story, the books were always about entertainment and a dystopia rooted in capitalism, other YA novels heavily revolve around the love story which doesn't make for as good of a story
@@x8makes.1teamxbruh, don't throw capitalism into the mix there. The setting is dystopian but Panem seemed to have a planned economy, you know with how each district focuses on one resource as dictated by the government? That's the opposite of capitalism.
@@x8makes.1teamx good lord not everything is a critique on capitalism. The first book compares/contrasts the wealth of the districts and the Capitol. Y’all are ridiculous
I heard that the author wrote the books in just a few weeks when she's on a Christmas vacation, that tells you a lot how the book itself seemed so lackluster 🤣
I was a divergent fan and I remember how when Allegiant's spoilers started coming out everyone was so disappointed by how bad it was and mad by the lazy decision of killing Tris
Honestly, a huge part of why Allegiant (the movie) was so bad is because Allegiant (the book) was bad. It felt like Veronica Roth had been writing towards *something* but she didn't actually know what that *something* would be when it came time to reveal it. I remember thinking at the time that it was like she got bored with her own idea/world and wanted to write something else, but she had to finish the divergent series first. So she ended up writing a final book that ruined the whole series and its characters. To get into spoiler territory: The whole concept that divergent just means "not genetically damaged" just destroys anything interesting or insightful that the world-building had been trying to do up until that point. The idea of the first two books was that people had some predominant trait that most influenced what they valued and how they saw the world/operated in it. It was simple but interesting because it was asking "what if we organized people based on their nature/values, what would that look like?". They marketed the first two books on the premise of picturing yourself in that world. What would your test result be? What would you choose? There was even a quiz in the back of the first book for you to see which faction you would be sorted into. They treated their characters like regular people, as if you could imagine anyone being dropped into the world and being sorted into one place or another. And then they turn around and pretend that the whole time, the ultra special, ultra brave main character who is so different that she can't be controlled by serums or other technology like the other people... her ultra special power is actually just being genetically normal. And her boyfriend, who was built up to also be special like her? Actually no, that was just a fluke, and for some reason he is actually genetically damaged. And then he spends his whole half of the book having a complex about that, and being unbelievably annoying in the process. And then for no good reason, they kill off the main character, despite her dipshit brother who is in desperate need of an opportunity to redeem himself being *right there*. God the whole thing just sucks, and it ruins the franchise for me. I haven't ever gone back to reread any of the books since I read Allegiant.
Yikes. Thanks for the summary. Not that I was ever going to read the series anyway, but was curious why those who did read it, didn't like the final book. I saw the first movie pretty much out of boredom and also a bit of schadenfreude; I'm one of those annoying people who brings up Battle Royale when it comes Hunger Games and I had a morbid curiosity to see a shallow derivative of a shallow derivative. The movie certainly didn't disappoint on that front, couldn't imagine how bad it would become trying stretch it out across 3 books/4 movies.
not only does it shoot the story in the foot for the reasons you described, the idea of the ability to have a full range of personality traits being something you can genetically modify out is ridiculous at best.
Eh, it's the best of the series. It covers topics like (not) fitting in, finding your own self, and fighting for what's important to you. There's plenty of other better books that cover the same topics.
@@MelissaBluethat’s why it should’ve been a standalone. I never had an interest in the other books because the first book felt like the true ending. We don’t know what happens after they take the train out of the city, we just know the system that encourages conformity is beginning to end and that was good enough for me.
Possible corporate takeover of educational curriculum? The other comments seem likely too about it just being a valid choice on a topic that could've been covered by a lot of other texts as well.
just search the background of the writer, and you will see why. when you see untalented people over and over and over again, guess what? they are behind it.
The funniest thing I remember from the promotion of the first movie was Shailene Woodley said she reached out to Jennifer Lawrence to ask her for advice on how to handle being part of a massive franchise. They were totally expecting Divergent to be this massive massive thing. Apparently Jennifer didn't even call, she just sent her an email like trust your gut, you'll do fine. lmao
I mean, Jen didn’t know but that was kinda wise advice that Woodley followed at some later point. Shailene at least enjoyed the first two movies to build up her resume and then after the third one was a pain in the back she left, which is good ‘cause then with a cheap tv movie or series her career would’ve dragged and she would have a reputation of becoming a protagonist in disgrace. Honestly good for her, let the girl either become civilian or get in love with acting again.
I've finished Allegiant, and to tell you the truth, I've never watched it when it came out in theaters back then. I only watch the two films, but the third and last film of the Divergent series. The last took me three times to finish the movie, but I just moved on or got bored and never completed it. But now a month ago I finished it and oh boy! That was a letdown and a disappointment.
You could dive into A Wrinkle in Time (2018). I don’t know what plans there were for sequels (the other books make good points but aren’t as magical), but I’m sure Disney would have loved the chance to turn that into a money maker.
I remember my 5th grade class and I had been reading the book up to it coming out, and then we all went to see the movie. We left the theatre deeply disappointed, which did not bode well considering the luster of a theatre experience usually helps bolster weak movies. Granted, I think A Wrinkle in Time is inherently challenging to adapt into film. It describes these sort of fantastical things that in some ways lose their impact when visualized. That being said, they did a pretty awful job with the adaption, and I’m not surprised we didn’t get any sequels.
One of the most egregious mistakes the 2018 film made was it cut out all Christian themes from the book. The movie still quoted Muhammad, Buddha, and Gondi, but in the book the pivotal moment for Meg is when Mrs Who gives Meg her final gift: a quote the apostle Paul in Corinthians!!! “Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty” It is after hearing those profound words that Meg finally believes that even though she is weak and foolish she can go confront IT and save her brother, because God is on her side! And they cut that out!!
I thought that movie should've been animated. I kinda hate Reese Witherspoon in that movie and i freaking love Reese Witherspoon with all my heart but damn, i just couldn't stand her in that movie
To be fair, back then it was every other big franchise. Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Divergent. Now it's basically just Dune and (apparently, according to your comment) Wicked(?)
Well, Wicked has the material to be split in two parts. Even the musical has two very distinct acts. Many other franchises (if any) that bought or have bought into the hype of splitting the finale didn't have that same benefit.
@@getawaytiger Wicked really doesn't have the material to be two separate movies unless you drag it on. The beginning doesn't need a lot of time, and a bit more time can be spent with Elphaba in school, but there are only a couple key points. The biggest section of the movie would be her young adult years when she has gone rogue. Even the ending can be done in roughly the same amount of time as the school section without having to rehash the entirety of The Wizard of Oz, which is what they're going to do. Then again, I'll stick with the books and the musicals--I won't bother watching any movie where they fuck up the casting so badly.
You know a movie/franchise is in trouble when Jai Courtney is considered a " big name star". He's the type studios will cast when can't find anyone else...
@@whalewolf7477 Even if agreed Courtney was a "good" actor. He NEVER carried a single movie to Box Office success. At best, he was acceptable in secondary roles, but never more.
@@beepster991man no hate for him from me but I don’t even remember he was there nor who he played, his part feels as irrelevant as the role of the guy that acts as the main human in Avatar(I can’t even remember his name and he was in terminator too), and he’s the protagonist of all people.
So, as someone who read the books as they released and loved the 1st film, and really backed this series i can tell you that looking back you can see the cracks in the foundation. Veronica Roth (i have her signature on my copy of Insurgent) wrote these books in like 3 weeks. If i recall she wrote the second book in one weekend. There has nevwr been a published story that did well that didnt need rewrites and changes. Its a necessary step in the writing process. These movies were doomed to fail no matter what because the skeleton was weak to start. Then they split the last book into two movies? Realistically this movie series would have really benefited from it being 2 slightly longer running films rather than 3 or 4. One nice cliff hanger of Tris and Four realizing that the whole system was a genetic experiment and that they needed to gather forces for a big push as the end of film 1 with all the outside the walls stuff being the finale to film 2 would have let the story be A BIT more impactful and memorable for audiences
I know it’s a valid argument for destruction of the series’s sake, but man even if it was trash I wished I could write anything as substantial as an entire book in one week, let alone write or finish in a weekend. Sure, with the due proof reading and improvements, but I can respect her writing that much in that little time.
@@PloFilms in a world where the government says you can have only one emotion, one young woman will have a complete personality... I mean, it's insane. You either have a story populated with cardboard cutouts, or violate your own premise instantly. To say nothing of trying to inject realism into it.
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@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces yeeah why books arent atleast turned into "mini series" ill never understand! ~90-120min just arent enough for a good story! never was.... but 6-10 hours or more, now we are talking *STORY* !
Lots of the reason harry potter worked as two parts is because the source material is a big book with a lot that happens in it. If a book has two movies worth of story, splitting makes sense, and can even improve the quality of the product. They probably would have had to cut important plot elements to make deathlly hallows as one movie. Dune is a more recent example. However, executives have a habbit of what i have heard called "cargo cult thinking". Copying a thing that works, wihout understanding or including the elements that made it work.
As a young teen who read the books and went and saw all three movies in theaters. I was so disappointed that the series never got to be finished. I think the constant change of directors and writers just made the vision change so many. I think if the second and third movie stayed closer to the source material then the series would be set up for success. Perhaps I related more because I’m from the Chicagoland area and the series took place in Chicago or I was fan of Shailene Woodly.
I remember getting to the scene where they zip line through the city in the first movie and asking, “Why is this CG?” In many ways, the first Divergent film was an amalgamation of everything I hated in modern cinema at the time. Bland lead characters played by actors/actresses who hardly emote, effects that try to be grand but aren’t convincing in the slightest, a story you can predict every single step of, characters making confusing choices, and why would I ever be interested in a sequel?
Not to mention: Kate Winslet was brilliant as the villain of the first two films, acting everyone against the wall. And then we get this old man in Allegiant after her death who was as threatening as a mosquito.
Let’s just be clear some movies like twilight actually made sense to make the last book into two because the book was huge. Also twilight had three different sections one for Jacob and two for Bella so making two parts made sense
@@1javixD make a 3-4 hour movie? Look at Lord of the Rings: each book has enough material for each movie to be 3-5 hours long. Not everyone wants to sit through a Gone With the Wind length movie, so it makes sense to trim the material to fit a healthy runtime.
It's crazy that I remember watching Divergent a few years ago and I couldn't finish watching it so I didn't see the next ones. Luckily the film adaptation of the books didn't get a proper ending so I didn't need to be disappointed. Anyways, really good video so far I'm watching. You're a really underrated channel and I'm surprised you don't have a lot of subscribers.
The thing with splitting movies in two is that it made sense for Harry Potter. It wasn't being done with profits in mind (though I don't doubt executives got dollar sign eyes at the idea). The last book was huge and the series had been dealing with backlash from the fans for cut content since the fourth movie. Then, of course, once they pulled it off other studios realized it was a good way to get more money out of a franchise with little effort. Of course, not every franchise had the same amount of content for their last chapter as Harry Potter did. I don't know how long the last Hunger Games book is, but they probably still got away with it because the franchise was at the peak of its popularity and it was still a bit of a novel idea, but every other franchise that tried it got diminishing returns. Divergent never had a chance. Even if it turned a profit it was becoming less and less popular with critics and audiences, and it was already on thin ice with its ridiculous premise and bland execution. I thought the first movie was alright for what it was. Then the second one felt like a nothingburger and I immediately checked out. Never watched the third movie and I have no reason to do so, knowing the story isn't even finished.
THG being split works cause mockingjay is also the biggest book of the trilogy… and also THG and cathing fire movie has many cuts that annoys the fandom as well.. so making mockingjay a 2 part movie is needed
My husband and I got into this habit of watching movie series from this "teen dystopia" era. Divergent was the worst and then when I went and read how it ends on Wikipedia, it just is the weirdest book series. Shame that there probably are better young adult books that do this better but will not have the opportunity this book series had.
Did you watch The 5th Wave? That one was really bad too, they stopped after adapting the first book. I think it has like a 10% rating on Rotten Tomatoes lol
Another reason why the Allegiant movie failed that you didn't mention is a LOT of fans were boycotting it. With as few spoilers as possible, lets just say that there's a very controversial and unpopular ending to the book that left a ton of people pissed off. A bunch of people were saying that they refused to watch Allegiant unless the directors changed the ending to remove the really controversial and hated ending.
I’m about to state straight facts about publishing today every player already knows. The book world has been utterly conquered by narcissistic female fiction readers. Men and boys have stopped reading. Women with brains mostly stopped reading. Now mobs of screeching self absorbed mean girls of all ages ride rivers of fetid estrogen all over Goodreads. They swarm, they cancel, they make things viral, they mob authors, they issue death threats. These narcissists see main characters as self inserts. They want Mary Sues who are the center of the universe and whose only problem is getting stupid men to recognize their obvious superiority. They have no faults, only virtues and injustices. Both victims and superiors at the same time somehow. This is how these readers see themselves. Allegiant violated the compact between books and readers. Readers expected to see their self insert triumph as Victim Princess. But the book gave them…actual heroics? A display of virtue and believing in things greater than yourself? lol what female YA reader wants that!?
This does not quite count as a "Franchise" per se but I have always been fascinated by the one-two punch of how Cat in the Hat and Love Guru were SO poorly received they torpedoed Mike Meyers' career on the back of his franchise successes with Wayne's World, Austin Powers and Shrek.
That's because the general premise is utterly implausible and nonsensical. It indicates that the creator had no legitimate understanding of professional storytelling.
It gets even stupider the more you get into the series, where it becomes clear that the the whole system actively works against the very goals that it's supposed to accomplish in the first place.
the only one of all of these justified in splitting the last book into 2 films is Harry Potter which was so long and full of story to tell that it actually needed more room to play out.
I went to the theater to watch the last one fully expecting for it to be the last movie, and I was soooo mad when it didn't end the story, I felt duped. I knew right away that was the death of the franchise and no one would be interested in a 4th movie.
I read the books, and I remember HATING Allegiant, and I know I wasn't alone. If the book was that bad, there was no way the movie would be better. I also remember laughing at the trailer for Insurgent because of how it deviated from the book, and lost all interest in watching it
As someone who was a big fan of the books, this film was going to have a bad reception anyway because the book wasn't well received. Anyone I knew who liked the series was not happy with Allegiant. EDIT: It was mentioned in the video lol. Hadn't expected it to be. Honestly though I think the series had already lost book fans because the second strayed from the book a lot (I never saw it so I'm not sure how it was, only the first movie).
I always thought they deliberately changed the last book so that the girl didn’t die cause it was too sad. Never realised there was supposed to be a last movie.
The Bourne movies are an interesting case of franchise death. It’s got a successful trilogy followed up with a failed spinoff movie and then with a failed attempt at a new trilogy
I'd love for you to do a video on the maze runner series. I was a big fan of the books when the movies came out, first one wasnt mind blowing but it was fine, but then the drop in quality to the second one was ridiculous. I remember the main character saying "run" and then everybody running happened a lot to the point that entertainment weekly joked about it in the section where they put the most memorable quotes from movies and tv shows that previous week. Just put him saying "run" on there lol. Also the "cranks" spoke and shit in the book and it was super creepy, they were just reduced to mindless zombies in the second movie :(
I read Mockingjay after part one's cliffhanger and found it absolutely enthralling, and the film largely delivered. After that, I read the Lorien Legacies saga, The Maze Runner, Gone, Partials, and Divergent. I loved them all as the escapism was rich among each setting, though admittedly the end to Allegiant was unexpected and bittersweet. It was hugely disappointing to see how much live-action Allegiant deviated from the source material; that ruined the experience for me, I recall being blindsided by the film's bewildering cliffhanger and the absence of iconic scenes expected. The distaste only increased when I realised the final installment would be cancelled, but it was clear why; the production was completely fumbled. It did feel as though the failure of Divergent due to poor management decisions killed the genre's momentum and reduced the chance of more and better YA dystopia novels being picked up for films, which is frustrating as I still believe a big budget I Am Number Four series reboot could be wildly successful; that saga had me hooked.
Yeah, which is a massive shame because we need stronger studio competition so that everything isn't owned by Disney. Unfortunately it's hard to root for them when Disney generally makes films that I like while the other studios make films that I don't.
I don’t remember the movies that were out at the same time that the Divergent movies, but I recall going to watch them with friends because there was nothing else to watch 😅
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I always wondered what happened to this franchise. One of those things that I enjoyed but once it vanished I forgot about it instantly as well. Thanks TH-cam recommendations!
Explanation is simple: The studio got too greedy in a series of book adaptations that never generated huge box office gains in the first place. And just because the splitting of the final book adaptation into two movies worked for other franchises, it did not work here. And so the fans were left with an unfinished product because no one was interested into finishing a failing series - or in this case a failing franchise since by this point in time the YA dystopian book series adaptations had overstayed its welcome.
I never read these books, but I had a friend in college who had read them (she was a freshman, I was a junior at the time,) and she’d convinced a group of us to go see it with her. The only things I remember are thinking “wow… this is kinda generic…” and freaking out when they used Woodkid’s music because I’m a huge fan of him. That was IT. I took nothing from that movie other than “well that was forgettable,” meanwhile I’m really excited for the new Hunger Games book coming out this spring.
I think you should cover Teen Beach 2 (2015) for the franchise killers series because that movie’s ending undid the first one and they never got a 3rd one… a lot of the fan base is still angry about it to this day.
I remember buying the 1st Divergance book on Kindle after finishing the Hunger Games books and I was bored after the first few chapters. I did not like or care about the FL or the world building. I don't think I went to see it in the theaters, but did rent a DVD or something. Still was bored. Never paid attention to what came next in the series. Hunger Game the book had me from page 1 and I cared greatly about Catniss and the people she loved. I can't analyze the writing, but my reactions were not something I can reason with or control.
I have seen all 3 movies and the only one I would ever watch again is the first. With that one, it felt like those involved were interested in putting in an effort. Plus the effects were not as ugly to me as they were in the other two. I remember watching Allegiant on HBO and was just gobsmacked at how awful it was. I’m just grateful that the hunger games movies were able to be as consistent as they were.
Ugh, corporate greed. Most of those split films could have been done in one movie. The only exception that could have worked is The Hobbit, but you could have only done 2 movies at most. It's a marvel that the trilogy is a decent enough watch, though nowhere near as impressive as the Lord of the Rings.
@@anthonyvillanueva5226agreed, while it’s not the longest book in the series it still had SO MUCH going on that the split was actually beneficial to the story and of course for the double dip at the box office lol
I think people forget that the Hobbit is still 19 chapters and while they're not very long there's a lot going on in them. The battle alone is just skimmed over in the book as it's from Bilbo's perspective and he's knocked out pretty early on, but you can't just skip a defining battle like that in a fantasy movie. So I think splitting it into 3 movies worked for the story, sure they could have left it at 2, but I didn't mind it being a trilogy
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@@greenkoopa I Meant In Terms Of Box Office Take. There Will Be Inevitably Too Many Examples Of Good Movies That Failed At The Box Office That You Or Others In The Comments Will Mention.
The failure of Last knight was the best thing to happen for the Transformers movies. They finally got rid of the Michael Bay and his Bayformers and started again with better movies.
These movies just released on some streaming channel and I was thinking about maybe, possibly considering watching them, but knowing there's no conclusion? I think not.
I think people forget that the Hobbit is still 19 chapters and while they're not very long there's a lot going on in them. The battle alone is just skimmed over in the book as it's from Bilbo's perspective and he's knocked out pretty early on, but you can't just skip a defining battle like that in a fantasy movie. So I think splitting it into 3 movies worked for the story, sure they could have left it at 2, but I didn't mind it being a trilogy
It didn't make sense at all to split The Hobbit into 3 movies. 2 movies at max, but that was already a stretch. Don't forget that Lord of the Rings has way over 100,000 words more than The Hobbit and they both got the same amount of movies.
To add to that: they should have made a mini series for The Hobbit. Since thr adventures Bilbo and the dwarves experience are episodic, it would have made sense to put one to three of these small adventures into one episode instead of making three insanely bloated movies. A miniseries of 5 to 8 episodes would have been totally fine.
@ well Peter Jackson wanted to keep it at 2 movies, but the studio wanted a trilogy because LotR was a trilogy. But like I said I didn't mind 3 movies. It allowed them to flesh out each of the 13 dwarves, something the book doesn't do. Yeah no thanks, I'll take the 3 Hobbit movies over whatever the hell Amazon is doing with the Ring of Power anyday.
I read the final book in this series and it ticked me off so much, I had no interest in seeing it play out on-screen. That helped kill the film series, probably -- people hating the last book.
I think Dark Phoenix and New Mutants can have a video as franchise killers since X-Men franchise was scrapped after these movies and Disney's purchase of 20th Century Fox
I will always be pissed that there was never a proper ending. I was so freaking invested in the book, loved the soundtracks, and would’ve rode at dawn for the final movie.
I recently rewatched this trilogy and actually really liked it! The performances are great and the concept is fascinating!! We have to remember, Veronica Roth wrote these while she was in college. The world and reasonings behind everything are fascinating, but because she was new, she hadn’t yet learned the let the readers in on the secrets first, thereby raising the stakes. If we had known from book one that chicago was filled with genetic mutants in an experiment to try to reclaim humanity, then it would have meant more tension when Tris is revealed divergent. Then we would know that she’s a success but she doesn’t and neither does anyone else. Roth’s mistake was revealing the bigger picture in the final book instead of in the opening prologue. This series deserves to be finished on film with respect. Bring back the cast and crew from the first film and do it right.
I was obssesseddddd with Divergent when I was a kid, but I didn’t have the dvd or a streaming service to watch it, so I forgot about it. Then Netflix started cycling Hunger Games on and off, and added Divergent. I was *stoked*! And I couldn’t finish the first movie. What really put me off was the freshly-eighteen trainee falling in reciprocated love with the twenty-something mentor. (In the books, he’s eighteen to her sixteen, I think.) He’s also just.. not very attractive tbh scares me. Definitely was disappointing enough to not watch the last two of the movies or read any book besides Divergent. But there’s some good parts of the series! I like the general idea of the factions and the choosing ceremonies. It’s just not enough to save it, unfortunately.
Did the universe really have potential though? The premise is incredibly shallow and doesn't allow itself for many interesting stories, plus any other elements of the world aren't that unique.
Hm I don’t know about that one. Divergent has a terrible premise. Like, splitting up people based on a singular personality trait is so fundamentally dumb.
I think the main problem with the third film is that the final book was dogshit. It had such an anticlimactic ending, introduced a lot of ideas that created plot holes in the other two and was overall very underdeveloped. It also introduced alternating perspectives between Tris and Four, of which were written so similarly, I and many others could not figure out who was speaking until the other person was mentioned by name.
I choose to live in my own world where Divergent was the only movie that ever came out. Like it still wasn't great but it's got a special chokehold on my nostalgia and I'm happy to let it live like that. But the others? I've seen them each once and that was still too many times, lol
While prolongued monetary gain was a massive factor in Harry Potter being a two parter by the end it was also due to the last book being so long that it NEEDED to be two seperate films. These days audiences have adjusted to the idea of longer movies if its worth it but back then the idea of a 3 hour+ film was not the ideal. But for Divergent yeah there really was no need.
I didn't know they were splitting the third one. That makes more sense now. Still, I hate the fact that they completely betrayed the Source Material with the last two films. The first Divergent film delivered on the concept of the book, and I love it! Insurgent had me halfway through, and then lost me- again, betraying source material. But I will hate the way they did Allegiant forever. I think this franchise deserves a second chance, because I think the books were pretty good. But not the way Summit did it- please, not the way Summit did it.
Just to add the book series started strong with the first book and became more disappointing each book, insurgent was ok and allegiant was so boring and with a not a good ending. The other franchises had good books, even if my opinion the hunger games didn't need a 2 part movie but still was good. The people that bought the rights should have read well the source material of the trilogy before making the decision to see if it was worth it. And to be honest it wasn't. Great video.
Every single franchise who did its final movie split in two did it as a money grab. They wanted to milk the cow until the last drop. Alao the Hobbit movie, which is based on a small book, split in three was hard to watch. This is something that we hated and at some point we all had enough of it and that is why when Divergent did it, nobody was interested in watching it anymore.
It was just a case of the directors etc being greedy. Their mindset was if they split the film they could get more money. If you read the book you’ll see one film would have covered the ending just fine. Being greedy didn’t work for them, it was a shame for us fans though who didn’t get our ending! 😪
The sole reason it killed the franchise is because it was not named Detergent, seriously, whom, who did not read the books would know it was the same franchise if it didn't have the same naming scheme.
I read the books and had mixed feelings on the series as a whole. The last book was indeed really bad and when I heard they were splitting it into two movies, I was pretty sure the execs who made that decision didn't read the book. There wasn't enough content to split into two movies. and what do you know, most of the plot of the book is covered in the movie so I'm not sure what was going t happen in the fourth movie.
The biggest issue with the Divergent series is that it feels like a soulless copy of every other teenage dystopian series. None of the characters are interesting and the story is predictable in all the wrong ways. In fact, it's a representation of what the teenage, dystopian genre had become rather quickly. The Hunger Games did a great job showcasing PTSD, the harsh reality of war, government corruption, starvation, and the struggle to move on from tragedy. Even Maze Runner, for all of its flaws, showcased a strong friendship between Thomas and the other Gladers, with an added bonus of how loss can affect someone. But Divergent has none of that, not even good action or a point. The teenage, dystopian genre was always on borrowed time as there was nothing else to do with it once Hunger Games ended. It's a rather interesting situation as there's little you can do with it. Hunger Games not only beat all of the others to it, but it also delivered in ways that the others just couldn't.
I remember reading how Divergent was the book that killed the Dystopia YA trend in books because people started to realize how bare bones it is and that the genre itself had nothing to add
Tbh I liked it because it was so straightforward and bare, it felt symbolic in a way. I’ve only ever read the first book anyway. I think I remember seeing that she intended for it to be a standalone but people loved it so she continued it.
@@pnd-uc8bt Really? I read all the 3 books. The second one was extremely boring while the 3rd one was a mess (you had the writer merging 2 books with 2 different stories in one).
@@sfappetrupavelandreiI guess the writer realized she didn’t quite have much or nothing more to add except a kinda generic backstory. At best the end of the 1st feels like a YA version of Plato’s cave where the divergents and non-divergents can be free, which is alright in its own merit. I only watched the films and read the rest on Wikipedia, but nothing really speaks to me it needed to be something as big as a franchise
the audience outgrew the genre.
Veronica Roth said in several interviews that she wrote the first book over winter break. That’s a max of four weeks.
I am surprised and glad the Maze Runner wrapped up it's trilogy. Since the YA genre was dying in the mid 2010's and the last movie came out in 2018
The Maze Runner came out in the same time when there were still huge hypes for The Hunger Games so it gave audience hope that other YA books can be adapted to movies. Even after Mockingjay ended, there is still some interest in the YA genre atleast for 2 years, which was exactly when the last two Maze Runner came out.
Maze runner was a great little series and very diverse . I have a soft spot for that series despite its stupid acronyms!
Maze Runner is the most satisfying of them all. They didn't get greedy. Hunger games had a fantastic first movie and then just declined. Splitting the ending of any trilogy in 2 parts makes the first part always awkward and kinda hollow, not even Harry Potter escaped this which is the only of these series worth re-watching
"The 5th Wave" starring Chloe Grace Moretz was another potential millenial dystopian trilogy but ended with one movie, based on trilogy novels. I guess the genre petered out.
@@PitNeex i rewatch it , i understood why it was split
The fact that the author wrote the books in just a few weeks really tells you a lot that it seemed doomed in the first place. I mean, these Divergent books at first seemed like a best selling book but literally years later, we seemed to be forgotten that these books exists
Maybe actually read them
The first two books are amazing but I think the pressure got to Veronica cause book three was… really disappointing.
@@IHARumorI never finished book 3, I just couldn’t get into it lol
Books are good
Movies are shit (i like the first one tho, second not bad, third doesnt exist)
some of the greatests stories were written in a week or even weekend........ so that really isnt a factor.
but ty as usual commentors always come in droves with lack of inormation, full of assumptions.
The problem with all these dystopian YA series that came around the same time as the hunger games or tried to ride the coat tails of THG success, is that they can't hold a candle to THG. Suzanne Collins is a good writer and she built a believable world and used her story to bring light to serious societal issues while making her characters feel like humans. A lot of these other dystopian YA novels just aren't well written.
Exactly.I remember being in the dentist office with a hunger games pin on my jean jacket and my dentist was like "I love those movies, I think our world can definitely become like that"
It sucks because these bad books/adaptations ruin the memory of hunger games in people's minds
they were mediocre, yet them who control media pushed it hard.
Cmon, the dystopian world of THG was a joke. Completely implausible to have sectors for one purpose and distinct from each other.
@@TheBelrick
It's not entirely unprecedented in history. The soviet union had a number of "closed cities" dedicated to a strategic industry like military bases or nuclear research. They were often in the middle of Siberia and you needed special permission to enter or leave them. The point of each of the Panem districts being dedicated to a single industry was to make each of them reliant on support from the rest of Panem, and completely dependent on their totalitarian government.
Harry Potter and Hunger Games had last books with enough material to make two movies. Divergent didn't.
Even Breaking Dawn and Mockingjay had they slow pacing moments … tbh it only made sense with HP
@@normalgirlcvco It didn't make sense with the Twilight saga at all, however, I think the Hunger Games franchise actually pulled off the part 1 and part 2 very well. Maybe even pulled it off better than Harry Potter which had a weak part 1. Mockingjay part 1 is exactly what a part 1 movie should be like
The first two movies Divergent and the 2nd Movie were Legend let down by the 3rd Movie which was not really a killer more a Series left in Limbo Should have done more and with a great Follow on Story Script could have done Sadly Wasted
Harry Potter was 7 books, where splitting the final book to an adventure movie and a movie centers around a battle made sense. Hunger Games 3rd movie felt way lesser of a story than Allegiant was. I think it really was the fact that the movie genre felt overun by the late 2010s, and the fact that they didn't film the final 2 movies simultaneously like Harry Potter and Hunger Games were.
Even Mockingjay being two movies was a stretch.
No other dystopian YA movie franchise has been able to hook the viewers like The Hunger Games. Shows how well it was produced
It also helps that they were the first one that came out.
probably because THG was never actually about a love story, the books were always about entertainment and a dystopia rooted in capitalism, other YA novels heavily revolve around the love story which doesn't make for as good of a story
The hunger games world makes sense another thing that is extremely lacking in the divergent series
@@x8makes.1teamxbruh, don't throw capitalism into the mix there. The setting is dystopian but Panem seemed to have a planned economy, you know with how each district focuses on one resource as dictated by the government? That's the opposite of capitalism.
@@x8makes.1teamx good lord not everything is a critique on capitalism. The first book compares/contrasts the wealth of the districts and the Capitol. Y’all are ridiculous
Honestly, Divergent as a series is just so lackluster that I'm not sure Allegiant would've fared that well to begin with 🙏🏾😭💀
I heard that the author wrote the books in just a few weeks when she's on a Christmas vacation, that tells you a lot how the book itself seemed so lackluster 🤣
I was a divergent fan and I remember how when Allegiant's spoilers started coming out everyone was so disappointed by how bad it was and mad by the lazy decision of killing Tris
@@Erasureeraser im not sure about the christmas vacation part but she did say a few times in interviews that she wrote divergent in 6 weeks
@@Marinlss Tris being killed off at the end is pretty much the *only* thing I still remember from that book and the series as a whole lmao 💀
@@Marinlss when I read the book I literally cried. It would have been good done right
It didn't just kill the franchise, it killed the whole genre
That'd be a good premise for another series. Films that killed the genre (at least for a while).
Honestly, a huge part of why Allegiant (the movie) was so bad is because Allegiant (the book) was bad. It felt like Veronica Roth had been writing towards *something* but she didn't actually know what that *something* would be when it came time to reveal it. I remember thinking at the time that it was like she got bored with her own idea/world and wanted to write something else, but she had to finish the divergent series first. So she ended up writing a final book that ruined the whole series and its characters. To get into spoiler territory:
The whole concept that divergent just means "not genetically damaged" just destroys anything interesting or insightful that the world-building had been trying to do up until that point. The idea of the first two books was that people had some predominant trait that most influenced what they valued and how they saw the world/operated in it. It was simple but interesting because it was asking "what if we organized people based on their nature/values, what would that look like?". They marketed the first two books on the premise of picturing yourself in that world. What would your test result be? What would you choose? There was even a quiz in the back of the first book for you to see which faction you would be sorted into. They treated their characters like regular people, as if you could imagine anyone being dropped into the world and being sorted into one place or another. And then they turn around and pretend that the whole time, the ultra special, ultra brave main character who is so different that she can't be controlled by serums or other technology like the other people... her ultra special power is actually just being genetically normal. And her boyfriend, who was built up to also be special like her? Actually no, that was just a fluke, and for some reason he is actually genetically damaged. And then he spends his whole half of the book having a complex about that, and being unbelievably annoying in the process. And then for no good reason, they kill off the main character, despite her dipshit brother who is in desperate need of an opportunity to redeem himself being *right there*. God the whole thing just sucks, and it ruins the franchise for me. I haven't ever gone back to reread any of the books since I read Allegiant.
Yikes. Thanks for the summary. Not that I was ever going to read the series anyway, but was curious why those who did read it, didn't like the final book. I saw the first movie pretty much out of boredom and also a bit of schadenfreude; I'm one of those annoying people who brings up Battle Royale when it comes Hunger Games and I had a morbid curiosity to see a shallow derivative of a shallow derivative. The movie certainly didn't disappoint on that front, couldn't imagine how bad it would become trying stretch it out across 3 books/4 movies.
not only does it shoot the story in the foot for the reasons you described, the idea of the ability to have a full range of personality traits being something you can genetically modify out is ridiculous at best.
FACTS! The reveal to me was like…. What??? The reveal to me was stupid and unexciting and didn’t make sense
To be honest, I don’t find the premise of the story interesting in the first place.
Agreed. I remember I did like the first book and most of insurgent but then Allegiant happened and that book was so bad even in the first chapter
Divergent was part of my high school cirriculum and I still can't fathom why.
Eh, it's the best of the series. It covers topics like (not) fitting in, finding your own self, and fighting for what's important to you. There's plenty of other better books that cover the same topics.
@@MelissaBluethat’s why it should’ve been a standalone. I never had an interest in the other books because the first book felt like the true ending. We don’t know what happens after they take the train out of the city, we just know the system that encourages conformity is beginning to end and that was good enough for me.
Possible corporate takeover of educational curriculum? The other comments seem likely too about it just being a valid choice on a topic that could've been covered by a lot of other texts as well.
Because high schools are utter shit run by zero IQ teachers.
just search the background of the writer, and you will see why.
when you see untalented people over and over and over again, guess what? they are behind it.
The funniest thing I remember from the promotion of the first movie was Shailene Woodley said she reached out to Jennifer Lawrence to ask her for advice on how to handle being part of a massive franchise. They were totally expecting Divergent to be this massive massive thing. Apparently Jennifer didn't even call, she just sent her an email like trust your gut, you'll do fine. lmao
Oh no, that’s sad.
Average based Jen W
I mean, Jen didn’t know but that was kinda wise advice that Woodley followed at some later point. Shailene at least enjoyed the first two movies to build up her resume and then after the third one was a pain in the back she left, which is good ‘cause then with a cheap tv movie or series her career would’ve dragged and she would have a reputation of becoming a protagonist in disgrace. Honestly good for her, let the girl either become civilian or get in love with acting again.
I've finished Allegiant, and to tell you the truth, I've never watched it when it came out in theaters back then. I only watch the two films, but the third and last film of the Divergent series. The last took me three times to finish the movie, but I just moved on or got bored and never completed it. But now a month ago I finished it and oh boy! That was a letdown and a disappointment.
yeah these movies are beyond boring
I remember watching these Divergent movies and just call the movie as "movies with a lot of hot actors in it" lol
I hated the allegiant movie. The book upset me but if they would of followed it then it would of been at least decent
The book pissed me off!!!
You could dive into A Wrinkle in Time (2018). I don’t know what plans there were for sequels (the other books make good points but aren’t as magical), but I’m sure Disney would have loved the chance to turn that into a money maker.
Yes, that would be great.
It was such a terrible movie, an insulting adaptation of the book
I remember my 5th grade class and I had been reading the book up to it coming out, and then we all went to see the movie. We left the theatre deeply disappointed, which did not bode well considering the luster of a theatre experience usually helps bolster weak movies. Granted, I think A Wrinkle in Time is inherently challenging to adapt into film. It describes these sort of fantastical things that in some ways lose their impact when visualized. That being said, they did a pretty awful job with the adaption, and I’m not surprised we didn’t get any sequels.
One of the most egregious mistakes the 2018 film made was it cut out all Christian themes from the book. The movie still quoted Muhammad, Buddha, and Gondi, but in the book the pivotal moment for Meg is when Mrs Who gives Meg her final gift: a quote the apostle Paul in Corinthians!!!
“Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty”
It is after hearing those profound words that Meg finally believes that even though she is weak and foolish she can go confront IT and save her brother, because God is on her side!
And they cut that out!!
They should have just made the movie into an animated feature
I thought that movie should've been animated. I kinda hate Reese Witherspoon in that movie and i freaking love Reese Witherspoon with all my heart but damn, i just couldn't stand her in that movie
Actuallly, the character of Tris does cut her hair short in the Insurgent book so it made sense for them to adapt this in the film.
splitting books in two movies was all the rage THEN? *stares at wicked*
To be fair, back then it was every other big franchise. Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Divergent. Now it's basically just Dune and (apparently, according to your comment) Wicked(?)
Well, Wicked has the material to be split in two parts. Even the musical has two very distinct acts. Many other franchises (if any) that bought or have bought into the hype of splitting the finale didn't have that same benefit.
@@getawaytiger Wicked really doesn't have the material to be two separate movies unless you drag it on. The beginning doesn't need a lot of time, and a bit more time can be spent with Elphaba in school, but there are only a couple key points. The biggest section of the movie would be her young adult years when she has gone rogue. Even the ending can be done in roughly the same amount of time as the school section without having to rehash the entirety of The Wizard of Oz, which is what they're going to do. Then again, I'll stick with the books and the musicals--I won't bother watching any movie where they fuck up the casting so badly.
Dune said Hold my Beer!
Dune is a narrative heavy story so it made sense to split it in two parts.
You know a movie/franchise is in trouble when Jai Courtney is considered a " big name star". He's the type studios will cast when can't find anyone else...
Bro the disrespect. Jai Courtney is gorgeous and a fantastic actor
@@whalewolf7477 Even if agreed Courtney was a "good" actor. He NEVER carried a single movie to Box Office success. At best, he was acceptable in secondary roles, but never more.
He is, in fact, such a BIG star that I had to look him up to know who he played 😂
@@beepster991man no hate for him from me but I don’t even remember he was there nor who he played, his part feels as irrelevant as the role of the guy that acts as the main human in Avatar(I can’t even remember his name and he was in terminator too), and he’s the protagonist of all people.
So, as someone who read the books as they released and loved the 1st film, and really backed this series i can tell you that looking back you can see the cracks in the foundation. Veronica Roth (i have her signature on my copy of Insurgent) wrote these books in like 3 weeks. If i recall she wrote the second book in one weekend. There has nevwr been a published story that did well that didnt need rewrites and changes. Its a necessary step in the writing process. These movies were doomed to fail no matter what because the skeleton was weak to start. Then they split the last book into two movies? Realistically this movie series would have really benefited from it being 2 slightly longer running films rather than 3 or 4. One nice cliff hanger of Tris and Four realizing that the whole system was a genetic experiment and that they needed to gather forces for a big push as the end of film 1 with all the outside the walls stuff being the finale to film 2 would have let the story be A BIT more impactful and memorable for audiences
I know it’s a valid argument for destruction of the series’s sake, but man even if it was trash I wished I could write anything as substantial as an entire book in one week, let alone write or finish in a weekend. Sure, with the due proof reading and improvements, but I can respect her writing that much in that little time.
Problem with too many 2010 movie franchises is that the studios tried to copy the hunger games but with crappier versions
What films were copies of the hunger games?
I'm guessing it failed because the series premise is self-parodically stupid.
this is a genuine question
like how?
@@PloFilms in a world where the government says you can have only one emotion, one young woman will have a complete personality...
I mean, it's insane. You either have a story populated with cardboard cutouts, or violate your own premise instantly. To say nothing of trying to inject realism into it.
@@henryglennon3864 Completely agree, is more a wattpad fanfic create by cringe teens shipping themselves with superstars.
Try something with a soul. Storytelling that comes from a creator with actual knowledge and understanding of dramatic structure, character arcs, thematic underpinnings, literary techniques, relevant world-building, etc.
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@@henryglennon3864 and lets be honest the ending sucked hard. there never was a real big fandom to sell the movies to after THAT ending
You should do Eragon (2006)
From the moment they decided to make a 1.5hr movie out of a fantasy book longer than Fellowship, it was in trouble.
@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces yeeah why books arent atleast turned into "mini series" ill never understand! ~90-120min just arent enough for a good story! never was.... but 6-10 hours or more, now we are talking *STORY* !
That is why the Maze Runner is one of my favorite trilogies. It didn't take the last book and split it into two movies. I always hated that approach.
If you read the books you woulnt say that about the movies
Maze what?
Lots of the reason harry potter worked as two parts is because the source material is a big book with a lot that happens in it. If a book has two movies worth of story, splitting makes sense, and can even improve the quality of the product. They probably would have had to cut important plot elements to make deathlly hallows as one movie. Dune is a more recent example. However, executives have a habbit of what i have heard called "cargo cult thinking". Copying a thing that works, wihout understanding or including the elements that made it work.
As a young teen who read the books and went and saw all three movies in theaters. I was so disappointed that the series never got to be finished. I think the constant change of directors and writers just made the vision change so many. I think if the second and third movie stayed closer to the source material then the series would be set up for success. Perhaps I related more because I’m from the Chicagoland area and the series took place in Chicago or I was fan of Shailene Woodly.
Why did you like the later books?
I remember kinda forcing myself to enjoy this story just to feed my Hunger Games-obsessed a$$. But it never filled that hunger (no pun intended)
I remember getting to the scene where they zip line through the city in the first movie and asking, “Why is this CG?” In many ways, the first Divergent film was an amalgamation of everything I hated in modern cinema at the time. Bland lead characters played by actors/actresses who hardly emote, effects that try to be grand but aren’t convincing in the slightest, a story you can predict every single step of, characters making confusing choices, and why would I ever be interested in a sequel?
Please look at The Mummy 2017 and The Dark Universe.
I remember watching the last 30-40 minutes with my dad…found it to be weird…and there was a desert at the end
The Vampire Academy and Mortal Instruments are other two franchise killers and their voices should be heard 😆
And that film about the cities on wheels… can’t remember the name now! 🤦🏼♀️
@@BarryBobbinsmortal engines?
I really loved reading the mortal instruments series but all adaptations have sucked :(
@@BarryBobbins That one's called Mortal Engines. He did a video on it
Not to mention:
Kate Winslet was brilliant as the villain of the first two films, acting everyone against the wall.
And then we get this old man in Allegiant after her death who was as threatening as a mosquito.
Let’s just be clear some movies like twilight actually made sense to make the last book into two because the book was huge. Also twilight had three different sections one for Jacob and two for Bella so making two parts made sense
That's a lot of cope. I think Harry Potter made sense but Twilight was just a cashgrab
@@WisdomisVirtuous how do you fit sooo much of the twilight plot into 60 minutes? 🙄 two movies made sense.
@@1javixD make a 3-4 hour movie? Look at Lord of the Rings: each book has enough material for each movie to be 3-5 hours long. Not everyone wants to sit through a Gone With the Wind length movie, so it makes sense to trim the material to fit a healthy runtime.
It's crazy that I remember watching Divergent a few years ago and I couldn't finish watching it so I didn't see the next ones. Luckily the film adaptation of the books didn't get a proper ending so I didn't need to be disappointed.
Anyways, really good video so far I'm watching. You're a really underrated channel and I'm surprised you don't have a lot of subscribers.
The thing with splitting movies in two is that it made sense for Harry Potter. It wasn't being done with profits in mind (though I don't doubt executives got dollar sign eyes at the idea). The last book was huge and the series had been dealing with backlash from the fans for cut content since the fourth movie. Then, of course, once they pulled it off other studios realized it was a good way to get more money out of a franchise with little effort.
Of course, not every franchise had the same amount of content for their last chapter as Harry Potter did. I don't know how long the last Hunger Games book is, but they probably still got away with it because the franchise was at the peak of its popularity and it was still a bit of a novel idea, but every other franchise that tried it got diminishing returns. Divergent never had a chance. Even if it turned a profit it was becoming less and less popular with critics and audiences, and it was already on thin ice with its ridiculous premise and bland execution.
I thought the first movie was alright for what it was. Then the second one felt like a nothingburger and I immediately checked out. Never watched the third movie and I have no reason to do so, knowing the story isn't even finished.
THG being split works cause mockingjay is also the biggest book of the trilogy… and also THG and cathing fire movie has many cuts that annoys the fandom as well.. so making mockingjay a 2 part movie is needed
Tris's haircut was in the books actually
My husband and I got into this habit of watching movie series from this "teen dystopia" era. Divergent was the worst and then when I went and read how it ends on Wikipedia, it just is the weirdest book series. Shame that there probably are better young adult books that do this better but will not have the opportunity this book series had.
Did you watch The 5th Wave? That one was really bad too, they stopped after adapting the first book. I think it has like a 10% rating on Rotten Tomatoes lol
Tbf The Divergent books are really good and solid imo.
The films didn’t do them justice unfortunately.
Another reason why the Allegiant movie failed that you didn't mention is a LOT of fans were boycotting it. With as few spoilers as possible, lets just say that there's a very controversial and unpopular ending to the book that left a ton of people pissed off. A bunch of people were saying that they refused to watch Allegiant unless the directors changed the ending to remove the really controversial and hated ending.
I’m about to state straight facts about publishing today every player already knows.
The book world has been utterly conquered by narcissistic female fiction readers. Men and boys have stopped reading. Women with brains mostly stopped reading. Now mobs of screeching self absorbed mean girls of all ages ride rivers of fetid estrogen all over Goodreads. They swarm, they cancel, they make things viral, they mob authors, they issue death threats.
These narcissists see main characters as self inserts. They want Mary Sues who are the center of the universe and whose only problem is getting stupid men to recognize their obvious superiority. They have no faults, only virtues and injustices. Both victims and superiors at the same time somehow.
This is how these readers see themselves.
Allegiant violated the compact between books and readers. Readers expected to see their self insert triumph as Victim Princess. But the book gave them…actual heroics? A display of virtue and believing in things greater than yourself? lol what female YA reader wants that!?
I actually think the part of the book you're referring to was excellent. It was totally unexpected, yet totally believable.
This does not quite count as a "Franchise" per se but I have always been fascinated by the one-two punch of how Cat in the Hat and Love Guru were SO poorly received they torpedoed Mike Meyers' career on the back of his franchise successes with Wayne's World, Austin Powers and Shrek.
I still don't even understand the premise. Post apocalypse where they split societies between personality types? Huh??!?!
That's because the general premise is utterly implausible and nonsensical. It indicates that the creator had no legitimate understanding of professional storytelling.
It gets even stupider the more you get into the series, where it becomes clear that the the whole system actively works against the very goals that it's supposed to accomplish in the first place.
@@Novastar.SaberCombator of…anything, actually.
the whole premise was stupid.
the only one of all of these justified in splitting the last book into 2 films is Harry Potter which was so long and full of story to tell that it actually needed more room to play out.
to be honest, i thought the Half blood prince coudl have made two as well, there was a lot cut out of that film
I feel like The Golden Compass needs to be in here somewhere
I went to the theater to watch the last one fully expecting for it to be the last movie, and I was soooo mad when it didn't end the story, I felt duped. I knew right away that was the death of the franchise and no one would be interested in a 4th movie.
I read the books, and I remember HATING Allegiant, and I know I wasn't alone. If the book was that bad, there was no way the movie would be better.
I also remember laughing at the trailer for Insurgent because of how it deviated from the book, and lost all interest in watching it
Considering the newest Hellboy film is a vod released Hellboy 2019 is a franchise killer.
Do David Lynch's Dune and how there were plans for a sequel in the series, which went nowhere before Denis Villeneuve would succeed it decades later.
Denis' version sucked
As someone who was a big fan of the books, this film was going to have a bad reception anyway because the book wasn't well received. Anyone I knew who liked the series was not happy with Allegiant.
EDIT: It was mentioned in the video lol. Hadn't expected it to be. Honestly though I think the series had already lost book fans because the second strayed from the book a lot (I never saw it so I'm not sure how it was, only the first movie).
I always thought they deliberately changed the last book so that the girl didn’t die cause it was too sad. Never realised there was supposed to be a last movie.
The Bourne movies are an interesting case of franchise death. It’s got a successful trilogy followed up with a failed spinoff movie and then with a failed attempt at a new trilogy
I'd love for you to do a video on the maze runner series. I was a big fan of the books when the movies came out, first one wasnt mind blowing but it was fine, but then the drop in quality to the second one was ridiculous. I remember the main character saying "run" and then everybody running happened a lot to the point that entertainment weekly joked about it in the section where they put the most memorable quotes from movies and tv shows that previous week. Just put him saying "run" on there lol. Also the "cranks" spoke and shit in the book and it was super creepy, they were just reduced to mindless zombies in the second movie :(
I read Mockingjay after part one's cliffhanger and found it absolutely enthralling, and the film largely delivered. After that, I read the Lorien Legacies saga, The Maze Runner, Gone, Partials, and Divergent.
I loved them all as the escapism was rich among each setting, though admittedly the end to Allegiant was unexpected and bittersweet.
It was hugely disappointing to see how much live-action Allegiant deviated from the source material; that ruined the experience for me, I recall being blindsided by the film's bewildering cliffhanger and the absence of iconic scenes expected. The distaste only increased when I realised the final installment would be cancelled, but it was clear why; the production was completely fumbled.
It did feel as though the failure of Divergent due to poor management decisions killed the genre's momentum and reduced the chance of more and better YA dystopia novels being picked up for films, which is frustrating as I still believe a big budget I Am Number Four series reboot could be wildly successful; that saga had me hooked.
Anyone else lose faith in Lionsgate lately?
Lately? I've been losing faith in them for the past decade!
I heard the want to use ai to eliminate storyboard people.
Yeah, which is a massive shame because we need stronger studio competition so that everything isn't owned by Disney. Unfortunately it's hard to root for them when Disney generally makes films that I like while the other studios make films that I don't.
At this point, their only IP movies that interested me from Lionsgate is just The Hunger Games and John Wick
I don’t remember the movies that were out at the same time that the Divergent movies, but I recall going to watch them with friends because there was nothing else to watch 😅
Great video. Your channel reminds me of Nerdslayer "Death of a game" series on TH-cam but yours deals with movies. I look forward to more videos.
Please do a review for the giver. Taylor swift was in this film also 😂
What an era
oh my god i completely forgot about it 😆
The books weren’t even that good in the first place. Still, I’d rather read those.
Support something with a soul and serious ingenuity. Especially because it ISN'T funded nor backed by Hollywon't, Zon, Didnay, etc.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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I always wondered what happened to this franchise. One of those things that I enjoyed but once it vanished I forgot about it instantly as well. Thanks TH-cam recommendations!
Explanation is simple: The studio got too greedy in a series of book adaptations that never generated huge box office gains in the first place. And just because the splitting of the final book adaptation into two movies worked for other franchises, it did not work here. And so the fans were left with an unfinished product because no one was interested into finishing a failing series - or in this case a failing franchise since by this point in time the YA dystopian book series adaptations had overstayed its welcome.
I never read these books, but I had a friend in college who had read them (she was a freshman, I was a junior at the time,) and she’d convinced a group of us to go see it with her. The only things I remember are thinking “wow… this is kinda generic…” and freaking out when they used Woodkid’s music because I’m a huge fan of him. That was IT. I took nothing from that movie other than “well that was forgettable,” meanwhile I’m really excited for the new Hunger Games book coming out this spring.
I think you should cover Teen Beach 2 (2015) for the franchise killers series because that movie’s ending undid the first one and they never got a 3rd one… a lot of the fan base is still angry about it to this day.
I remember buying the 1st Divergance book on Kindle after finishing the Hunger Games books and I was bored after the first few chapters. I did not like or care about the FL or the world building. I don't think I went to see it in the theaters, but did rent a DVD or something. Still was bored. Never paid attention to what came next in the series. Hunger Game the book had me from page 1 and I cared greatly about Catniss and the people she loved. I can't analyze the writing, but my reactions were not something I can reason with or control.
I have seen all 3 movies and the only one I would ever watch again is the first. With that one, it felt like those involved were interested in putting in an effort. Plus the effects were not as ugly to me as they were in the other two. I remember watching Allegiant on HBO and was just gobsmacked at how awful it was. I’m just grateful that the hunger games movies were able to be as consistent as they were.
Hope you do The Maze Runner series since it’s like the last YA book to movie series that did good.
It’s because the divergent series books were kind of terrible and I own them.
Ugh, corporate greed. Most of those split films could have been done in one movie. The only exception that could have worked is The Hobbit, but you could have only done 2 movies at most. It's a marvel that the trilogy is a decent enough watch, though nowhere near as impressive as the Lord of the Rings.
HP justified the split because of the sheer task of concluding a decade-long franchise. The Hobbit though could've been done in 2 films instead of 3.
@@anthonyvillanueva5226agreed, while it’s not the longest book in the series it still had SO MUCH going on that the split was actually beneficial to the story and of course for the double dip at the box office lol
I think people forget that the Hobbit is still 19 chapters and while they're not very long there's a lot going on in them. The battle alone is just skimmed over in the book as it's from Bilbo's perspective and he's knocked out pretty early on, but you can't just skip a defining battle like that in a fantasy movie. So I think splitting it into 3 movies worked for the story, sure they could have left it at 2, but I didn't mind it being a trilogy
My issue was the pairing of Shailene and Theo. No disrespect but Theo look way too old to be paired her. And no chemistry.
way too hot actually...
The 5th wave when?
The Host 🤔
I would've liked a snappier edit and that movie could've been wild as hell, maybe even great
The 5th Wave was absolutely horrible lmaoooo
@@1bwashand the book series gets worse. Can’t imagine what those films would have looked like
Its honestly such a terrible series anyways.
Try something from an independent creator with no Hollywon't resources nor Zon-style "Rings of Flour" power.
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You Need To Do Transformers: The Last Knight. I Think It Hurt The Transformers Movies In A Way That The Franchise Never Fully Recovered.
That's categorically untrue.
Bumblebee is really good, Beasties is good not great and the new one in theaters is also really good
@@greenkoopa I Meant In Terms Of Box Office Take. There Will Be Inevitably Too Many Examples Of Good Movies That Failed At The Box Office That You Or Others In The Comments Will Mention.
The failure of Last knight was the best thing to happen for the Transformers movies. They finally got rid of the Michael Bay and his Bayformers and started again with better movies.
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These movies just released on some streaming channel and I was thinking about maybe, possibly considering watching them, but knowing there's no conclusion? I think not.
I think people forget that the Hobbit is still 19 chapters and while they're not very long there's a lot going on in them. The battle alone is just skimmed over in the book as it's from Bilbo's perspective and he's knocked out pretty early on, but you can't just skip a defining battle like that in a fantasy movie. So I think splitting it into 3 movies worked for the story, sure they could have left it at 2, but I didn't mind it being a trilogy
It didn't make sense at all to split The Hobbit into 3 movies. 2 movies at max, but that was already a stretch. Don't forget that Lord of the Rings has way over 100,000 words more than The Hobbit and they both got the same amount of movies.
To add to that: they should have made a mini series for The Hobbit. Since thr adventures Bilbo and the dwarves experience are episodic, it would have made sense to put one to three of these small adventures into one episode instead of making three insanely bloated movies. A miniseries of 5 to 8 episodes would have been totally fine.
@ well Peter Jackson wanted to keep it at 2 movies, but the studio wanted a trilogy because LotR was a trilogy. But like I said I didn't mind 3 movies. It allowed them to flesh out each of the 13 dwarves, something the book doesn't do.
Yeah no thanks, I'll take the 3 Hobbit movies over whatever the hell Amazon is doing with the Ring of Power anyday.
I read the final book in this series and it ticked me off so much, I had no interest in seeing it play out on-screen. That helped kill the film series, probably -- people hating the last book.
I think Dark Phoenix and New Mutants can have a video as franchise killers since X-Men franchise was scrapped after these movies and Disney's purchase of 20th Century Fox
More Xmen is coming though.
Okay but tris cuts her hair in the books too. Around the same time she does in the movies, so it still makes sense in regards to the books.
I will always be pissed that there was never a proper ending. I was so freaking invested in the book, loved the soundtracks, and would’ve rode at dawn for the final movie.
I recently rewatched this trilogy and actually really liked it! The performances are great and the concept is fascinating!! We have to remember, Veronica Roth wrote these while she was in college. The world and reasonings behind everything are fascinating, but because she was new, she hadn’t yet learned the let the readers in on the secrets first, thereby raising the stakes. If we had known from book one that chicago was filled with genetic mutants in an experiment to try to reclaim humanity, then it would have meant more tension when Tris is revealed divergent. Then we would know that she’s a success but she doesn’t and neither does anyone else. Roth’s mistake was revealing the bigger picture in the final book instead of in the opening prologue.
This series deserves to be finished on film with respect. Bring back the cast and crew from the first film and do it right.
Number one at the box office two movies in a row, but I've never heard of them. Weird.
I liked the movie series. The first movie is my favorite, however I am happy where the movie series ended. I didn't want to see the girl die.
the dude who played Four also voiced Bastion in Xmen '97.
I was obssesseddddd with Divergent when I was a kid, but I didn’t have the dvd or a streaming service to watch it, so I forgot about it. Then Netflix started cycling Hunger Games on and off, and added Divergent. I was *stoked*!
And I couldn’t finish the first movie. What really put me off was the freshly-eighteen trainee falling in reciprocated love with the twenty-something mentor. (In the books, he’s eighteen to her sixteen, I think.) He’s also just.. not very attractive tbh scares me.
Definitely was disappointing enough to not watch the last two of the movies or read any book besides Divergent.
But there’s some good parts of the series! I like the general idea of the factions and the choosing ceremonies. It’s just not enough to save it, unfortunately.
To this day I still have no idea how this series ends and I will not be buying the books to find out
Speaking of which…this era of cinema history messed up The Giver. It’s sad because that was one of my favorite books growing up.
Honestly, I’m so disappointed in the author because this universe had so much potential.
This franchise was always about making money, the author finished in just few weeks.
Did the universe really have potential though? The premise is incredibly shallow and doesn't allow itself for many interesting stories, plus any other elements of the world aren't that unique.
Hm I don’t know about that one. Divergent has a terrible premise. Like, splitting up people based on a singular personality trait is so fundamentally dumb.
I try to make my own YA book. I took notes from your video.
I loved this series and I will forever miss not having an ending
I think the main problem with the third film is that the final book was dogshit. It had such an anticlimactic ending, introduced a lot of ideas that created plot holes in the other two and was overall very underdeveloped. It also introduced alternating perspectives between Tris and Four, of which were written so similarly, I and many others could not figure out who was speaking until the other person was mentioned by name.
You should do Mortal Instruments: City of Bones next.
I choose to live in my own world where Divergent was the only movie that ever came out. Like it still wasn't great but it's got a special chokehold on my nostalgia and I'm happy to let it live like that. But the others? I've seen them each once and that was still too many times, lol
While prolongued monetary gain was a massive factor in Harry Potter being a two parter by the end it was also due to the last book being so long that it NEEDED to be two seperate films. These days audiences have adjusted to the idea of longer movies if its worth it but back then the idea of a 3 hour+ film was not the ideal. But for Divergent yeah there really was no need.
For what it's worth, Breaking Dawn actually had a Part 1 and Part 2 in the book.
I didn't know they were splitting the third one. That makes more sense now. Still, I hate the fact that they completely betrayed the Source Material with the last two films. The first Divergent film delivered on the concept of the book, and I love it! Insurgent had me halfway through, and then lost me- again, betraying source material. But I will hate the way they did Allegiant forever. I think this franchise deserves a second chance, because I think the books were pretty good. But not the way Summit did it- please, not the way Summit did it.
I remember now, the ending of the book soured the idea of ever watching this series for me
Just to add the book series started strong with the first book and became more disappointing each book, insurgent was ok and allegiant was so boring and with a not a good ending. The other franchises had good books, even if my opinion the hunger games didn't need a 2 part movie but still was good. The people that bought the rights should have read well the source material of the trilogy before making the decision to see if it was worth it. And to be honest it wasn't. Great video.
Every single franchise who did its final movie split in two did it as a money grab. They wanted to milk the cow until the last drop. Alao the Hobbit movie, which is based on a small book, split in three was hard to watch. This is something that we hated and at some point we all had enough of it and that is why when Divergent did it, nobody was interested in watching it anymore.
I personally think the Maze Runner was the best YA movie series we got
I feel like the thing that killed Divergent is the fact that Divergent fucking sucks as a book series.
It was just a case of the directors etc being greedy.
Their mindset was if they split the film they could get more money. If you read the book you’ll see one film would have covered the ending just fine.
Being greedy didn’t work for them, it was a shame for us fans though who didn’t get our ending! 😪
you spelled studio executives wrong
The sole reason it killed the franchise is because it was not named Detergent, seriously, whom, who did not read the books would know it was the same franchise if it didn't have the same naming scheme.
As soon as some Hollywood hack thinks they can write a better story than the actual book author, you lose your core audience.
I really wish they hadn’t split the last film into 2 parts. I think it would be remembered more fondly if they hadn’t tried to milk it.
I read the books and had mixed feelings on the series as a whole. The last book was indeed really bad and when I heard they were splitting it into two movies, I was pretty sure the execs who made that decision didn't read the book. There wasn't enough content to split into two movies. and what do you know, most of the plot of the book is covered in the movie so I'm not sure what was going t happen in the fourth movie.
I watched Divergent on a plane and I liked it. I did not watch any sequels, not really a film that needed a sequel
I liked the movies at the time, but looking back at them now they're very bare bones. I do think it's better than Maze Runner though.
The biggest issue with the Divergent series is that it feels like a soulless copy of every other teenage dystopian series. None of the characters are interesting and the story is predictable in all the wrong ways. In fact, it's a representation of what the teenage, dystopian genre had become rather quickly.
The Hunger Games did a great job showcasing PTSD, the harsh reality of war, government corruption, starvation, and the struggle to move on from tragedy. Even Maze Runner, for all of its flaws, showcased a strong friendship between Thomas and the other Gladers, with an added bonus of how loss can affect someone. But Divergent has none of that, not even good action or a point.
The teenage, dystopian genre was always on borrowed time as there was nothing else to do with it once Hunger Games ended. It's a rather interesting situation as there's little you can do with it. Hunger Games not only beat all of the others to it, but it also delivered in ways that the others just couldn't.