How to Install a Shower Pan
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- Time to replace that old nasty shower? Then you'll need a new shower pan. Where do you start? What do you do? Easy, by brewing up a nice hot cup of joe and watching Jeff do it first!
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I have watched so many of your videos during my basement bathroom install, thank you so much. I did everything from framing a new wall, covering bulkheads, drywall, replacement of rough and finish plumbing, install fiberglass base, and tiling the floor and shower. I could not have done it without your help. Love the simplicity and your explanation gives confidence that we can do it ourselves and come out with a great finish. Thank you Jeff!
I've been doing lots of stuff around my house and your videos have really hit the spot. Thank you, so much.
Do you have a separate video on the rough plumbing for the shower pan? I’m converting a tub to a shower pan. The drain will be on the right side. I’ve learned so much from you. Your videos are awesome!
You made this look so easy! I'm hoping it will go as smoothly when it comes time for my installations. Got a shower & a tub in separate bathrooms to install.
I'm debating whether or not to replace my cast iron tub coated in porcelain bc the porcelain got scraped off on part of it (reckless deadbeat tenants). The idiots who installed the tub put the P-trap right through a joist-- they cut ALL the way through the joist for it so I'm going to have to make a support box under it & I will probably go with a direct drain (P-trap under the drain rather than the overflow). I'm probably going to cram some wood in between the cut in the joist to offer more support and sandwich it with other boards to add extra support along with the box bc I'm paranoid about structure failing.
Great videos, if you ever get to a house that needs the shower pan replaced with tiling, that would be awesome!
Good explanation of the need for the paper gasket. Thanks!
Quick and easy explanation, thank you.
You’re doing a hell of a job Jeff !!!
how did u much the holes and prevent the leakage i got a old one on this with plastic wall need to install one that i can tile around it
Jeff - I love the videos. Watching your videos has given me the confidence to accomplish so much, on top, save a few dollars. I was wondering if you could do a video with a custom sized shower and tile floor. Essentially building a mortar bed, pan liner and tile. Cheers!
Look into options for large format shower pans that can be tiled or as the final touch.
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I have watched many of your videos. Thanks, I have learned lots. I have relocated my shower p trap and drain 12' from its original location and installed a vent. I have an Oatey 2'" drain that I will use along with Oatey liner and mortar dry pack for my slope. How high above the slab do I glue the Oatey drain? Flush with the cement? What shall I backfill around the drain? Mortar dry pack or cement?
my pan says to use mortar under the pan, I have plywood, do I need to do anything to the plywood before adding mortar? thanks
Hi Jeff i didnt the rough plumbing to connect the that pan. how much piping do leave out of the floor to connect the pan drain?
Thanks! I've been contemplating my shower pan installation and wondering if it needed to be set on a bed of mortar...
Hi. I am wondering if you could please tell me what the sand mix is you are using. Home Depot keeps telling me its concrete mix but I want to be sure because this is a fiberglass sower pan. Also, does my plumber need to set the drain before I make the bed of sand and level it? Thank you/
Any thoughts on how to install the drain if you do not have bottom side access? Thanks?
Do u still have to screw this to the 2x4 around it ??
thx
Great video
My friend had one installed and is unhappy that there is standing water in the shower after using the shower.
Is this unusual ?
Should installer have pitched it better?
Or are they designed to be installed level and you get what you get?
Thx
I bought a Kohler ballast shower base an i can't find instructions for the best way to install a concrete acrylic shower base of this type. all tips would be appreciated
I dont know if I understand this correctly, say that I wanted to take out my step in tub, can I use a base and tile around to protect the walls. Is the pan all I need?
Hi jeff i have a question i am gonna install shower base at my home and i need to know as this acrylic shower and i got my other acrylic shower 38 by 38 installed at basement and its squeeking now when some body use it, so for new shower base 32 by 60 i need to know what should i put under subfloor to prevent squeezing
When installing on a second floor in between joists, are you supposed to support the drain? And how if so? There isnt room enough to have a p trap with a 2x4 under affixed to the joists for support.. i was thinking that when the drain is inserted then the support will be from the actual drain on the pan and that little bit of give in the pipes will act as a flex joint whereas rigid would be more prone to cracking with any movement.. i wouldnt think the pvc joints would leak from that movement over time as they are welded together.. right?
I was wondering what your sand mixture consists of? So I would use that to level my base?
Jeff , is taking the drain before installing the pan then how do you get it screw tight ?
Thank you I really need this
Hi Jeff I'm a new subscriber. Love your videos. Question is I'm installing a fiberglass shower pan with tiled walls. But my walls are about 3/4" wider than my pan. Can I just first the walls out to meet the top of the pan for my cement board ? Thanks Jeff
Good video jeff. I just like to know how you fix the drain on this one. If you have 2" or 1 1/2" Pipe
Great video. I especially liked that you explained the washers, as that is exactly what I came her for. Cheers!
Cheers Steve!
Jeff, the plumber's putty I found at the big blue store said 'not for use with plastic.' Is there pvc-safe plumber's putty or should I just use silicone like the oaty drain instructions recommend?
Finally this guy knows what he’s doing putting a floor pan in. Sears did my shower and screwed it up twice we had bubbles in the pan finally the third time they used cement to balance the pan.
old school process , never fails. Cheers!
Is it possible to replace a shower pan without tearing out your tile. Planning on tiling over my existing tile.
Question: We poured our pre slope and it's cracked in some places to the point that it's missing chunks. Can we patch with thinset before we lay our pan liner and do our final slope? Thanks in advance!
Hi, how one can change just the pan after the walls have been made. The house I bought has ceramic tiles in the shower but the pan is in bad shape and want to replace it
Is there a option doing this over existing tileed shower?
Hi Jeff, I watched a lot of your videos, that really helped me a lot. There are 4, 5 kinds of thinset mortar, which one is good for using under shower pan and not drying too fast? Thanks
Thank you sir , awesome vid
Hi Jeff. I've been binging your channel as we are looking to renovate our master bath. We have a small corner walk-in closet (more like a step in) and a shower right next to it. We need more closet space. I would like to remove my shower completely from that area and relocate it to where our unused, large jacuzzi tub is, and expand the closet into the old shower area . Our home is on a concrete slab and the shower base is concrete. How would we remove the shower base and make it level with the rest of the floor? Plug the shower drain and properly cut off plumbing? Home was built in 1992.
Jeff, what mix did you use. I am in Ontario and struggling to find a mix.
Would you install any water proof materials under the pan ?
Wow, really good video!!
Why you didn’t put cement all over the floor board for levelling or cement sheet first?
hello sir is it possible to install a pony wall next to to shower pan?? we would prefer wall instead of glass door.. thank you for video
my old tub has been Installed on subfloor I am removing the tub and I want to install walk in shower base do I need to put mortary bed before i put my shower base ? if not do I need to put thin layer or water reinstate something on sub floor?
I am at the brewing a cup of Joe part!
Does the Sandmix actually hold the pan in place or just for level purpose? Thanks
can I have the shower pan stick to the cement sheet and not the studs (i.e., tile will be installed above the integrated tile flange)?! I have made the drain eye and it will be hard to reposition the pan under the cement sheet.
my shower tub is cheap fiber glass with walls I want to remove and install walk in shower measure bathroom wall to wall 58 inch but the shower pan I want to buy is 60 inch you think will fit because I cant find 58 inch walking shower pan please advise ?
What’s the sand mix you use in this video. Thanks love the videos.
I really love your DIY videos. I am seeking some assistance on my new project. I plan to remodel my basement standing shower. I have small standing shower now which is over a tiled floor that is on basement concrete. I have dismantled my old standing shower and found that my drain hole is about 15"X15" away from the wall. I may have to reposition it to line-up with shower base I am buying. Do you have any video on how to install shower tub on a tiled floor and also on how to reposition drain pipe in the basement that has concrete around the drain pipe?
I’m doing something like that in my house and I was wondering if I need to glue the shower pan to the drain pipe or not? Because it doesn’t show that in the video , and that’s for all the information you provided.
Hi all,
Jeff, you got me to tear down my bathroom and now I'm in the fun part of installing parts :)
I'm installing my shower pan over the direct cement floor, what is the best set I can use that would work with the old cement floor?
Many thanks,
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Can you do a video on different drain connections like chemical seal or gasket seal to connect base to plumbing
I'm currently remodeling my bathroom and want to paint it the same red color as shown in this video. can you please tell me the color and brand paint? Thanks
Question. My shower pan came with an inch thick styrofoam glued to the bottom of my pan. Am I to leave it on or remove it? Thanks for your assistance.
Ever use minimal expanding foam under a fiberglass shower base that’s already in?
so how do you hook the drain up
Do u always have to place some cement under the shower pan ??
How do you seal the drain with the waste drain below?
Is it normal for acrylic pan to flex ?
Why didn't you secure the pan to the framing? What is the sand mix made of?
I’d like an opinion on work I’ve had done and paid for. I am afraid to use shower because is eroding as it never hardened. I have several images not sure where there is water as I am guessing some had seeped thru cracked grout.
Thanks for the reply. while at my local plumbing supply house. I met a young neighborhood plumber who will stop by on father's day and check out the things I want help with. he will lay out my pan. Then the location for the free standing tub will let you know later on Sunday ! vin just too much for me and my son we have our limits
Bad ass! I hope you and that young boy got along. Cheers mate!
So how even will the shower pan be if you have a pile of cement at each end. How strong will the base be in the middle.
Hi Jeff. I joined the monthly but never received the monthly email link nor place for questions? There is no direct help link either! Please help.
Jeff, what model of Dewalt screw gun do you use?
What about the drain connection? How did you connect it to the drain pipe?
Hole underneath the basement.
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Use a drain that has a compression fitting. Attach the drain to the pan, remove the fitting from the drain, drop the pan over the pipe, and reinstall the fitting.
Now you glued it down how do you connect the plumbing?
Try using wood shims with PL to level the base cheaper and quicker
Good video, talks funny!
Well Done
I bought a standing shower from Costco I didnt realized the shower pan has no flange. How do i install it. Help please. Thanks
What kind of sand mix did you use?
I love this youtube page, he is so easy to understand and explains things in the most simple way! great teacher! I really want a video from them with a walk in shower CURBLESS :)
Thanks! 😃I will do one one of these days. Cheers!
I'm trying to retrofit a house type shower to the black pipe of a mobile home. I have the "tail" from the pan that has to go into the black pipe but I can't figure out how to get it in because I can't see where the end of the tail is to be sure it goes in; it may just push the pipe aside. I don't want to have to tear out a wall or tear out the underneath. I've had the old shower out for two weeks and I'm really getting tired of it not being fixed. I'm at my wit's end.
So the drain just plugs itself after you drop the pan down??
What about drain connection? Looks like you just set pan without aligning/connecting drain?
Do you have second part of this video?
Best channel ever!!!
Jeff - great video and easy to follow. When I purchased the shower pan and drain assembly I also asked for the plumbers putty. The sales person said that he was aware of discoloration over time around the drain as a result of leaching from the putty. He suggested silicon instead of the putty. What do you think? Thanks.
Yeah I caught that too - my Delta shower pan explicitly prohibits the use of plumber's putty on the drain.
The "sand mix" is mortar? Sorry, never heard of it. You guys literally inspired me to go for a complete bathroom renno. Thanks!
It's on the shelf at the big box stores
Does the wall has to be exposed or can I install it with drywall on?
I just installed the shower pan.. a friend of mine told me I didn't have to use anything under the shower pan.. I used treated wood on subfloor...is he right ? This is my first time installing one
Hi Jeff, glad to be a new member of your channel. I will be installing the Ditra heated system on plywood sub floor. I will be using an OVE acrylic shower base and I was wondering if I could place the shower base on the Ditra membrane and run the heating cable underneath the shower base.
Hi Dominic, not recommended. it is impossible to service that wire in the future if needed. It may even be a fire hazard. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Thanks for the prompt reply. Just finished watching your hour of Q & A's very informative. Must say CR and gingerale is one of my favorites as well. My dilemma is I am transforming a basement bedroom into a laundry/bathroom. The exterior walls currently are finished. 2 x 3 studs, pink insulation & vapor barrier. From the looks of it the vapor barrier has been compromised in many places and shaudky installed. As I now will be running water to the washing machine and sink can I leave the existing drywall up using it as a barrier for my plumbing and installing a new 2 x 4 wall over it using additional styrofoam insulation without a vapor barrier or will that cause me problems in the future. I will take down all of the present drywall down to the studs if need be.
Can you trim the edges to get a perfect fit?
What did you use as a sand mix here, jeff? Literally wet sand? Or is this mortar?
Hi Jeff, you mention placing a sand mix to level the shower base. What is a sand mix? There are many different types of mortar,
what do you recommend? Thank you, Ken
Use stroctrolite
Hey where is the link for the shower pan??
I have a Bootz shower pan and have a issue with it my floor is level and top of the shower pan is level but have a quarter in gap right in the middle sounds strange but true I can email you a picture if possible. Please help.
hello can anyone know in apartment on 5th floor if i want to remove the old shower pan and to make one level with tiles what do i have to use underneath ? waterproof concrete and then the tiles? or is something else on top of the concrete before i add the tiles ? and what about around lets say do i have to secure something around the tiles ? can someone please answer me
In my experience the best waterproofing system for a custom shower is schluter systems. You need to check with your condo board to determine the acceptable course of action so that your insurance is valid in the event of a water problem down the road.
Is it necessary to put down plastic or cement board on top of the wood subfloor before adding the sand / cement mix?
I think cement board on top of the wood subfloor is too thick. In all videos I watched, they all put mortar directly on the wood subfloor, this will be problem later when they want to remodel again, ie removing the old shower pan. The purpose of mortar under shower pan is to create support so it will not crack when stepping on it .
I've seen a lot of builders level it with some shims and few hundred pounds of cement bags ontop then use closed cell foam under it at some of the pre-wire houses around here. they are pretty good about using enough for it to feel solid under and not push up or out. their building a few hundred houses a year so I'm sure that plumbers had enough experience to know how much to spray before he drops the pan back down.
Sure but I am teaching the diy community , not running a trade school. I would never suggest a home owner use spray foam for the lack lof experience issue.
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My issue is i have a 4.5x4 shower area with plumbing straight in and a drain on the far right of the shower. Seems impossible to find a pan that works. They all have them in center or under the shower head...
You could have poured a super thin layer of floor leveler. Its like liquid cement that levels itself as liquid does then sets as cement does. Instant level floor over night.
any brand recommended? link
Keep in mind that self leveling concrete is only to be used on a solid concrete floor. If you use it on a floor with joists then over time it will crack and or pop tiles.
Have watched this video but cannot find how to create a raised concrete base to take a real slate base.
Hello Jeff, Thank you for the great videos. New subscriber here. I need to level 2 corners, can you tell me what your sand mix consist off please.
since there's no Plumbing in the stall that I could see are you able to test the drain to make sure it doesn't leak I'm assuming maybe you hooked it up to the outlet pipe below and maybe put in a bucket of water and was able to reserve it for a period of time to make sure that the gasket and everything was sealed tight and on the sand mixture I saw another video where they put the sand mixture underneath the whole shower pan I'm assuming in your case because of the leveling issues you just added into those areas that needed to be level and that was enough to keep the pan from moving also
This particular shower pan is very rigid and has structure to the outside edges. all that was needed was to level and provide some strength on the interior of the pan. Really not necessary but most home owners don't like the feel of moving acrylic so it is best to fortify the install this way.
Which one is the following video explaining how to install the shower walls?
Can you install these pans over a tiled floor? (To streamline the tile job) anyone?
Never use plumber's putty to seal the drain. Clear silicone only. The putty breaks down and manufacturers state not to use it. As a plumber I have had to repair many drains which requires cutting open the ceiling below.
this guy does answer anything
Thanks you give me the confidence to do my shower pan only tock me 8 hour to install counting a few trips to home depot!
Ouch, cheers!