Thanks Isaac! I’m making my 5th bathroom and your videos answer many questions . Last one was a solid slab shower with lineal drain. This one is a large wet room.
Our constructive method in Brazil is different, full of freshness, Admire and study the American methods and I regret that this type of input so simple adopted in America does not reach my country and when it arrives has prohibitive prices. I study your methods and create parallel alternatives to our reality with items common to our daily lives. Registered now
I had a shower installer use concrete bricks instead of 2x4 at the opening. Pretty much the same after that. In retrospect, seeing wood rot, bricks is a great idea.
If you built it like this guy I hope you paid attn. when you tore it out! Get ready to do it again real soon! Sorry ! What I am really sorry about is people like this dude posting videos that are completely misleading others and costing them lots of money and pain when they follow his methods!
58 year old tile setter here, you use dry pack not "Mud" correct? and since that looks like particle board, I always coat that type of material with Red Guard Water proofing. I use it in my YT. Its just added Protections from Moisture under the rubber dam sheeting.
I strictly use Schluter products from the pan to the wall boards and niches and curbs. You can install and start tiling that same day except the curbs because you have to allow to dry. I have been tiling for since 2013 and still learning the way they change and improve their products. Good to see how the old way is done since I'm taking over a homeowner attempt at the shower pan, which is this rubber membrane. Vary helpful thank you.
Yup... .. but... purple board? If your gonna do a shower...do it right. Who uses drywall anymore? I get called to rip it out. Now u know why. It's a moisture wick.
I have zero expertise with tiles and bath renovations, but on the internet, everyone says no purple board in the shower area. Just curious, any reason you are using purple boards on the side, instead of cement boards? What works best? purple board + RedGard, or HardieBacker cement + RedGard? Thanks!
Thanks for the way you do your curbs, that's what I was looking for. Mine are always fat because I keep more of the liner... P.S.... a faster way of cutting out your bolts and drain hole..., cut a cris-cross +.. across the top of the bolts and they just pop right through. And then cut your drain the same way, Then drop the flange down, and follow your direction of tightening down the bolts. You have no waste, and you have a tighter seal with all the liner getting pinned between the flanges!
I hear ya but a linear drain is the way to go. Besides how many people are diligent about cleaning their shower drains. It's generally only if they start to drain slow. If you are one of the very few that clean their drain regularly then there won't be any surprises no matter what style you install. I like the fact that the base is on a bit of a slope instead of angled sides plus not having to stand in the dirty bath water while it drains in the centre. I installed a shower for my Dad that utilizes a walker, the linear drain allowed me to eliminate a threshold for him to step over by installing the drain along the far wall. What a great application. Each to his own, though, but to me, it is the way to go. I like the fact that you can install the tile into it so only a small drain slit is visible.
Great video! A trick I picked up, is to just cut an “X” over the drain hole and fold the liner flaps down into the drain. The ring will ensure they stay folded down. Just an extra measure.
The ring will not hold the pan down. I am also failing to see what extra protect that is providing. Also putting the silicone on the bottom flange of the drain before having the pan i place seems like a bad idea as well. Cutting the hole out for the drain properly allows you to lift the pan after it is secured to the walls and apply the silicone exactly where it is needed.
@@spencerhansen8374 The caulk groove? That groove is for the pan to be clamped down with the ridge on the clamp ring. The silicon bead should be between the grove and bolt holes. All pans are water tested for 24 hrs using a test ball. Test balls are used to ensure if a drain backs up the water won't leak under the pan. The inspector makes sure the pan drains and the weep holes are open. In 47 years I have never failed a pan inspection.
My question is what do u do about the thicknesses difference between the green rock and the liner? Do u go green rock back over the liner or pack it full of thinset ?
Thanks for everything man I feel better and doing this myself. I love people like you who don’t gatekeeper trade knowledge. Thank you so much keep it up!
@@TileCoach no way that purple moisture resistant drywall will last 10 years max or full 1 water leak...that would not fly in my area can't use drywall products in wet areas at all its only protected 1 side.
@@marcfavell Dude, it was a perfectly fine PAN install. And No, he didn't have to use the PAN liner to go over the bench. This was not a video of the water proofing of the shower. If it had been I would be right there with you. However, if I were to do this, I would use Kerdi or Redguard membrane over the drywall and bench to drain into the pan. However, for the purposed of this video he didn't show the rest of the shower install.
@@qball3835must be nice to just blow time and money for a video not properly done then. Myabe his company charges so much that they can just afford extra liner material???
I'm a retired contractor. Never did bathrooms. I learned some great stuff. Thanks!!!! Going to watch more of your videos now while I am doing my own home bathroom. Rule one....Do a great job Rule two....Get your money y'all You really can't do one without the other.
House keeper are also men. They are called Cleaning staff. Maids are what they were called in the day. Thanks for this video was very helpful. I have used this liner material before. This is the best product I have found to date. I feel like my next tile job will be better. Thanks Again.
I really appreciate you posting the videos up. It has helped me immensely. I am at the stage of installing the shower pan linear and have it exactly where you are in this video. My question is How do you seal the pan linear where it meats the backboard. A colleague of mine says the pan linear needs to be under the backer board so it does not leak.
thanks for showing the drain assembly separate. It really helped to see that. Question - I notice the pan liner goes up the wall right on the wood blocking. Do you come back and put backer board over the pan liner on the wall? what do you do there?
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
No one explains that. Especially with all those freaking folds in the corners, and the thickness difference with the backer. Other videos say don't put backer over the membrane, but what holds the tile????
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
Thanks for the step by step explanations. I'm a DIY'er tackling a shower rebuild for the first time. It started as regrouting the floor, we all know how that goes. I've watched a few videos here and yours is the only one that fully explains how the corner protectors are installed. Thanks again.
I would like to see you showing viewers how to use a poured concrete curb with the pan liner run up in the middle of the curb. This I a way used to ensure pan doesn't get damaged or have a curb leak
I learned the trade from my dad and the tricky part that I cant seem to find an instructional video on is after I put the rubber liner on the curb. When I go to wrap it with cement board what would be the proper way of cement boarding the inside curb??? I can send you my email if youd rather respond through that I know everyone on the internet is an opinionated inspector.
@@cubancigar14i9 you can buy pre formed curbs bro. You should check them out. Drop the pan in seal it up and drop your preformed curb on top and nail to the front of the curb not the top or inside.
@@josephmerkle398 thanks for the reply, I've used those pre foamed curbs too but I mean in the instances where I'm wrapping 2x4 curbs with cement board. I'm curious to hear how other guys screw there curbs together when they wrap it with cement board
As long as you have slope under the vinyl liner you could but wood subfloors arent built with slope built in! They are built flat thats the nature of the material! Code says 1/4” per ft to the drain ! So if the drain is in the center it needs slope all the way around it first before the vinyl liner goes in! Best way to achieve that is with mortar and let it dry! The whole purpose of that is because water penetrates! It penetrates grout, mortar ,even tile! It penetrates cracked caulking joints in the corners! It doesnt care! When it penetrates it first hits the vinyl pan ,then travels towards the drain which has weep holes around it! If you installed your pan vinyl correctly, you should have caulked the vinyl pan to the drain flange being careful not to plug those weepholes! The water hits the vinyl and goes down the weep holes into the sewer ! If its not sloped under the vinyl it goes to where water goes to which is whatever is downhill! Meaning the curb or the corners of the shower, seat, etc where it becomes acidic because there is no oxygen in that airtight environment! It starts collecting there eating away at the vinyl until a hole is formed and it continues on its downhill journey to your freshly tiled wall and floor substrates (drywall or whatever and subfloor)! Thats a how to in a nutshell on how to build a waterproof shower enclosure!
If when you get to the the curb fold of liner, don't make your cut on the liner straight up, instead cut liner(3rd)layer back horizontally towards back of shower so when it folds over curb you have that piece now up the curbs wall
How do you deal with the extra thick corners were you fold the pan? And what do you fill the bottom 8 inches with on the wall? Thanks, your videos are very informative.
Most membranes say right in the instructions not to be used on sheet rock. Like that hack startle does. This video is old and I have not seen this guy use sheetrock in the shower in his newer video. Sheetrock in shower wrong period. Also the seem at the liner is very bad.
@@tuppersdad another opportunity for them to not honor any warranty. They also say to apply with a trowel no? Schluter does work with sheetrock though doesnt it? I just tore apart a shower with green sheetrock and lathe on it. Sheet rock was completely dry no issues (except at the bottom where the sheetrock was making contact with the "shower pan) , and it didn't have a water barrier. Redgard says it can also be used as a shower pan liner. You beleive that? Or you form your own opinions?
@@MrTacolover42 I believe all the membranes can be used as a shower liner. Some you must use a mesh with it. Not sure how red gaurd works don't use it i don't think it is a great product. In my area commercial they use the laticrete products like hydroban for shower liners all the time.
Mr. ISAAC, you are definetly the tile coach i wanna learn from, any chance you have episodes in order start to finish, using a liner like in episode 9..
Awsome reminds me of roofing i do commercial roofing and hand weld pvc and tpo materials at corners and ac curbs on roofs we call those corners hog ears I wonder if an 0.60 thickness pvc membrane can be used as a liner . I know I can make that waterproof and hand weld the corners with a heat gun . Love your videos hopefully be doing my bathrooms over in my new house thanks to your videos
I noticed on your video, that you didn't recess the wood(studs), to accommodate the folding of the membrane, that once folded, it creates a bulk and by consequence the bottom of the tile install scoops out, so how would you avoid the bulk on completing the wall (cement board or whatever element you use) ?
I tuck the edges nicely inside the studs like you are talking about. He floats his walls out to plumb his walls I used to do this but like my schlutter jolly edge to sit flush and true with the outside drywall edge. This also may take drywall floating for the cleanest finish.
What would be the difference if you’re installing a trough style drain.?.?.?. Gettin ready to build my first pan but definitely need a trough style drain!!
Just subscribed to your channel, absolutely love your stuff man. I've been involved in construction for several years and love to see people take joy in their work!!!
Can we reuse the drain flange, if we're putting the shower pan back in? We're not tiling, but installing galvanized steel, and again, reusing the fiberglass shower pan. Also curious if you would suggest using the PVC liner underneath the shower pan, for use with the steel sheets? Thank you.
I just ripped out a shower in our new to us modular house in Florida. Difference was, they used Portland cement and tile above the liner. This wouldn't have been so bad, except the plumbing leaked inside the wet wall, trashing the flooring under the shower. I will have to redo the whole thing. Also no vapor liner was used. They just tiled over the regular sheet rock which also was fine, although I would have used mold resistant. I'm going to try solid sheets with a seat similar to what you have here. My layout is flip flopped, wet wall is on the right side looking at the shower from the front.
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
How you doing … I been watching your videos for over a week now great job … but I’m a little indecisive now which way to go with my shower … You go multiple ways on your walls and pans… I already experienced a bad shower and had major damages and now looking for trusted product to avoid another nightmare… I understand the installer is the one that must know how to install what ever product to go with … can you recommend my product ? Thanks.
Hy. good morning. I am watching your video. and now I am a handy guy, do anything with my hands. but I am doing a bathroom walking shower. I am debating to do like tou are doing with the dry packing system or to put back the white fiberboard base / water catcher base. now. my question is can I install that water tite fabric down first and then install the fiberglass shower base water catcher on top ? thanks
Tile Coach you're the BOSS! Thank you for all the tutorials. I have a right sloping drain on 5 foot tub I want to replace with a walk-in shower pan. The current drain plumbing on the far right is about 8 inches from the wall. How do I slope the pan back to the drain?
Hi Issac, can you please explain if the liner comes up 6 inches on the wall and your wall board stops at the top of the liner. how do you tile over the liner going up the wall? Please, I need help.
Hello. Quick question, I wanna start using hydraban over the schluter shower floor installs. The question is what type of thinset should I use over hydraban??? I would think unmodified ( the BEST unmodified) available. Do u agree?? Thanks
How did you waterproof the seat area? I would have not installed the sheet rock backer on front of seat and I would have removed sheet rock like you did for the pan on top of seat , side seat , and front going down wall to install the liner. Then install you lath/wire over liner that is on seat area and up the walls. Seat framing should be pitched 1/4 per foot for proper drainage to weep holes.
What do you think of installing the 2x4 curb about 3/4 short of the wall on both sides ( so basically the 2x4's don't go all the way left and right) now when installing the liner you can tuck the liner in that gap ? This can enable the liner to be completely seamless over the curb and the side of the curb where you had used those patches.....I have done it both ways , but like the tuck method. I round the edge of the 2x4 at the top also, so its not to sharp against the liner.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful! I noticed that you have the moisture/mildew resistant drywall on the walls. Will you be installing tile? If so, how will you waterproof the walls? Thanks for you feedback.
Would like to know do I do the curb with fat mud before the upper level pack mud or first the packing mud and then the curb sides on top . Thank you very much for your help. I enjoy all your videos and the dedication it takes to do make them very good inspiration.
We’re using wet/dry backer board in our shower. Do we need to take that all the way down to the concrete floor and put the liner over that? Or should we put the liner down and let the backer board go over the part of the liner that’s going up the wall?
So different to how we do it in Aus. Great workmanship 🤙 we normally sheet the room with cement board (villa board) then caulk any seams, joins or screws and then paint on a waterproof membrane. It gives a even flat finish to tile on. For the floors we the lay a sand cement screed on top for falls. So interesting how different things are done
This is also done this way in the US. I’m going to be doing exactly that (except I’ll be doing a hard pack floor over a pan liner) but otherwise the same
In your professional opinion whats the best system ? I had a pvc liner with red guard water proofer and deck mud that failed after 7 years. I am looking for alternate shower pan system such as KBRS or hydroband. That’s your recommendation?
Are you still using polyurethane if the groove isn't there? The drains I deal with just have a lip around the outside edge. Would you still use polyurethane?
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Im 56 been doing this for over 30 + years and i love learning and watching.like this guys attitude .
Only thing I do different. No 2x4 in the curb. I run my liner through the middle of a sand mix curb. The only place my liner is cut is for the drain.
Awesome I do the same thing!
Thanks Isaac! I’m making my 5th bathroom and your videos answer many questions . Last one was a solid slab shower with lineal drain. This one is a large wet room.
Thanks for showing how to use those pre-formed corners.
Love that you share your knowledge. Isaac, you are a good man.
Old Orange County ca tile setter !!, nice videos !! Hot mop is still the best !! , Your a good mechanic !! , it’s good to see !! Thanks , Rick
Our constructive method in Brazil is different, full of freshness, Admire and study the American methods and I regret that this type of input so simple adopted in America does not reach my country and when it arrives has prohibitive prices. I study your methods and create parallel alternatives to our reality with items common to our daily lives. Registered now
I had a shower installer use concrete bricks instead of 2x4 at the opening. Pretty much the same after that. In retrospect, seeing wood rot, bricks is a great idea.
Fantastic help! I tore out my shower and am rebuilding it. Your videos are so helpful! Thank you and God Bless you Isaac
If you built it like this guy I hope you paid attn. when you tore it out! Get ready to do it again real soon! Sorry ! What I am really sorry about is people like this dude posting videos that are completely misleading others and costing them lots of money and pain when they follow his methods!
58 year old tile setter here, you use dry pack not "Mud" correct? and since that looks like particle board,
I always coat that type of material with Red Guard Water proofing. I use it in my YT. Its just added
Protections from Moisture under the rubber dam sheeting.
I like when tradesmen can admit there may be a better way. I learn something every day
How did you water proof the bench and walls? Do you have more videos tied to this specific project?
You Rock!!! Been doing tile 40 years and you do it right!!!! and I'm just a girl.
40 yrs? And you think this guy does it right? My friend,You need better education than watching this guy! I dont care if you are girl or guy!
I strictly use Schluter products from the pan to the wall boards and niches and curbs. You can install and start tiling that same day except the curbs because you have to allow to dry. I have been tiling for since 2013 and still learning the way they change and improve their products. Good to see how the old way is done since I'm taking over a homeowner attempt at the shower pan, which is this rubber membrane. Vary helpful thank you.
Yup... .. but... purple board? If your gonna do a shower...do it right. Who uses drywall anymore? I get called to rip it out. Now u know why. It's a moisture wick.
I have zero expertise with tiles and bath renovations, but on the internet, everyone says no purple board in the shower area. Just curious, any reason you are using purple boards on the side, instead of cement boards?
What works best? purple board + RedGard, or HardieBacker cement + RedGard? Thanks!
Thank you for sharing. Your knowledge is not falling on deaf ears.
Thanks for the way you do your curbs, that's what I was looking for.
Mine are always fat because I keep more of the liner...
P.S.... a faster way of cutting out your bolts and drain hole..., cut a cris-cross +.. across the top of the bolts and they just pop right through.
And then cut your drain the same way, Then drop the flange down, and follow your direction of tightening down the bolts. You have no waste, and you have a tighter seal with all the liner getting pinned between the flanges!
Love the attitude! When you still want to keep learning, then you are on your way to doing a great job!
Nice detail with your shower liner. I remember when you used to tar your old showers.
I hear ya but a linear drain is the way to go. Besides how many people are diligent about cleaning their shower drains. It's generally only if they start to drain slow. If you are one of the very few that clean their drain regularly then there won't be any surprises no matter what style you install. I like the fact that the base is on a bit of a slope instead of angled sides plus not having to stand in the dirty bath water while it drains in the centre. I installed a shower for my Dad that utilizes a walker, the linear drain allowed me to eliminate a threshold for him to step over by installing the drain along the far wall. What a great application. Each to his own, though, but to me, it is the way to go. I like the fact that you can install the tile into it so only a small drain slit is visible.
That video was very helpful you made it look so easy which I'm sure it's not .I wish I could find someone as talented in my area to work on my shower
Great video! A trick I picked up, is to just cut an “X” over the drain hole and fold the liner flaps down into the drain. The ring will ensure they stay folded down. Just an extra measure.
The ring will not hold the pan down. I am also failing to see what extra protect that is providing. Also putting the silicone on the bottom flange of the drain before having the pan i place seems like a bad idea as well. Cutting the hole out for the drain properly allows you to lift the pan after it is secured to the walls and apply the silicone exactly where it is needed.
I guess if you cut. Perfect O the theory is water may run back under it as it drains. Who knows
Another experiment for the tile coach to do!
@@vic1sch the caulk groove is exactly where it needs to be, how are you planning to change that by not caulking first. Fighting it later doesn't help.
@@spencerhansen8374 The caulk groove? That groove is for the pan to be clamped down with the ridge on the clamp ring. The silicon bead should be between the grove and bolt holes. All pans are water tested for 24 hrs using a test ball. Test balls are used to ensure if a drain backs up the water won't leak under the pan. The inspector makes sure the pan drains and the weep holes are open. In 47 years I have never failed a pan inspection.
My question is what do u do about the thicknesses difference between the green rock and the liner? Do u go green rock back over the liner or pack it full of thinset ?
Lath followed by mud!
Thanks for everything man I feel better and doing this myself. I love people like you who don’t gatekeeper trade knowledge. Thank you so much keep it up!
How do you put tile on that surface
@@raymondmaglaris4149 You dont. You put a mortar bed over that liner first. Let it dry. Then tile goes on mortar bed.
@@porcelinaofthevastoceans3903 wow ez pz makes a lot of sense
Thank goodness for TH-cam, It's job security for me. I'll be behind these guys
@@TileCoach no way that purple moisture resistant drywall will last 10 years max or full 1 water leak...that would not fly in my area can't use drywall products in wet areas at all its only protected 1 side.
And you should have went higher over the bench with the pvc liner
@@marcfavell Dude, it was a perfectly fine PAN install. And No, he didn't have to use the PAN liner to go over the bench.
This was not a video of the water proofing of the shower. If it had been I would be right there with you. However, if I were to do this, I would use Kerdi or Redguard membrane over the drywall and bench to drain into the pan. However, for the purposed of this video he didn't show the rest of the shower install.
@@marcfavell first thing I was gonna say... Hardy is the chit!
@@qball3835must be nice to just blow time and money for a video not properly done then. Myabe his company charges so much that they can just afford extra liner material???
Thanks Isaac! I laid down my slope layer and pan yesterday. Going to float walls today!
Amazing Video! I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm sure I can get it done after watching the video. Thank you!
How do you account for the difference in thickness between the liner and the board above it when installing the tile?
Awesome,SPECTACULAR, Beautiful Handiwork excellent workmanship.
Nice work. I can’t wait to work on my shower. And thanks for teaching me.
I'm a retired contractor. Never did bathrooms. I learned some great stuff. Thanks!!!!
Going to watch more of your videos now while I am doing my own home bathroom.
Rule one....Do a great job
Rule two....Get your money y'all
You really can't do one without the other.
Best illustration of using those corner thingies that I've seen yet. Well done!
House keeper are also men. They are called Cleaning staff. Maids are what they were called in the day. Thanks for this video was very helpful. I have used this liner material before. This is the best product I have found to date. I feel like my next tile job will be better. Thanks Again.
I really appreciate you posting the videos up. It has helped me immensely. I am at the stage of installing the shower pan linear and have it exactly where you are in this video. My question is How do you seal the pan linear where it meats the backboard. A colleague of mine says the pan linear needs to be under the backer board so it does not leak.
Great video. Alot better than the others I watched for this drain. Great job, I feel very good about installing it now
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thanks for showing the drain assembly separate. It really helped to see that. Question - I notice the pan liner goes up the wall right on the wood blocking. Do you come back and put backer board over the pan liner on the wall? what do you do there?
Same question ...as pan liner should be behind the wall board or backerboard.
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
How do you plan to tile over the liner at the lower wall areas? More drywall!!???
Did you ever figure it out? I have the samequestion
No one explains that. Especially with all those freaking folds in the corners, and the thickness difference with the backer. Other videos say don't put backer over the membrane, but what holds the tile????
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
Thank you coach. Im new to shower pans but i love the trades and definitely need help/ guidance at times,
Thanks for the step by step explanations. I'm a DIY'er tackling a shower rebuild for the first time. It started as regrouting the floor, we all know how that goes. I've watched a few videos here and yours is the only one that fully explains how the corner protectors are installed. Thanks again.
Thanks brother, I needed to see this!
I would like to see you showing viewers how to use a poured concrete curb with the pan liner run up in the middle of the curb. This I a way used to ensure pan doesn't get damaged or have a curb leak
Great video. You're one of the few who explained how to cover the curb.
I learned the trade from my dad and the tricky part that I cant seem to find an instructional video on is after I put the rubber liner on the curb. When I go to wrap it with cement board what would be the proper way of cement boarding the inside curb??? I can send you my email if youd rather respond through that I know everyone on the internet is an opinionated inspector.
@@cubancigar14i9 you can buy pre formed curbs bro. You should check them out. Drop the pan in seal it up and drop your preformed curb on top and nail to the front of the curb not the top or inside.
@@josephmerkle398 thanks for the reply, I've used those pre foamed curbs too
but I mean in the instances where I'm wrapping 2x4 curbs with cement board. I'm curious to hear how other guys screw there curbs together when they wrap it with cement board
Can I install PVC liner over subfloor without mortar underneath the liner.Thank you.
As long as you have slope under the vinyl liner you could but wood subfloors arent built with slope built in! They are built flat thats the nature of the material! Code says 1/4” per ft to the drain ! So if the drain is in the center it needs slope all the way around it first before the vinyl liner goes in! Best way to achieve that is with mortar and let it dry! The whole purpose of that is because water penetrates! It penetrates grout, mortar ,even tile! It penetrates cracked caulking joints in the corners! It doesnt care! When it penetrates it first hits the vinyl pan ,then travels towards the drain which has weep holes around it! If you installed your pan vinyl correctly, you should have caulked the vinyl pan to the drain flange being careful not to plug those weepholes! The water hits the vinyl and goes down the weep holes into the sewer ! If its not sloped under the vinyl it goes to where water goes to which is whatever is downhill! Meaning the curb or the corners of the shower, seat, etc where it becomes acidic because there is no oxygen in that airtight environment! It starts collecting there eating away at the vinyl until a hole is formed and it continues on its downhill journey to your freshly tiled wall and floor substrates (drywall or whatever and subfloor)! Thats a how to in a nutshell on how to build a waterproof shower enclosure!
When you stapled the pan liner, did it require any kind of special corrosion/rust resistant staples?
I don’t know why I’m watching this, but I enjoy your videos.
Great video boss. So you would recommend leveling the slab with thinset BEFORE you put the liner in?
Great work bro very informable teacher in the trade
If when you get to the the curb fold of liner, don't make your cut on the liner straight up, instead cut liner(3rd)layer back horizontally towards back of shower so when it folds over curb you have that piece now up the curbs wall
How do you deal with the extra thick corners were you fold the pan? And what do you fill the bottom 8 inches with on the wall? Thanks, your videos are very informative.
There's so many half assed videos on this out there. I am definitely doing it just like this!
We do things a lot a like,i never use wood on my curb though i form it and pour a solid concrete curb
i use small rocks, gravel 1/4" max around the weep holes while sand mix goes on. its a good trick. peace
very hot teacher
I was taught the same. 👍🏻
"Sometimes its a little tricky" that is the nicest I've ever heard that said..
love it I have old house do not think the floor can handle wieght of a floated pan?
Drywall is a great tile backer but ONLY for dry areas... Never in a wet environment like a shower!!
He's likely going to put a water barrier on this mold resistant drywall, and probably epoxy grout after. That backer board will never see water!
Most membranes say right in the instructions not to be used on sheet rock. Like that hack startle does. This video is old and I have not seen this guy use sheetrock in the shower in his newer video. Sheetrock in shower wrong period. Also the seem at the liner is very bad.
@@tuppersdad another opportunity for them to not honor any warranty. They also say to apply with a trowel no? Schluter does work with sheetrock though doesnt it?
I just tore apart a shower with green sheetrock and lathe on it. Sheet rock was completely dry no issues (except at the bottom where the sheetrock was making contact with the "shower pan) , and it didn't have a water barrier.
Redgard says it can also be used as a shower pan liner. You beleive that? Or you form your own opinions?
@@MrTacolover42 I believe all the membranes can be used as a shower liner. Some you must use a mesh with it. Not sure how red gaurd works don't use it i don't think it is a great product. In my area commercial they use the laticrete products like hydroban for shower liners all the time.
Never use sheetrock for a wet area like a shower. Always make sure pan liner is 6” above fill line(curb).
I enjoy watching your videos I’ve learned a lot. I have one question how would you shower liner a wall if it was a block wall with plaster on one side
Keep up the good work!
Friendly tip: try using a rubber dead blow hammer and gently hit the top of bolts to make a very fast exact fit. 👍🏻
How do you account for the difference in thickness between the backboard and pan liner?
thinset
Mr. ISAAC, you are definetly the tile coach i wanna learn from, any chance you have episodes in order start to finish, using a liner like in episode 9..
Like the use of the existing materials to counter the prefab corners
Thanks a lot for the tips.
Just wonder if you have a chance to us how to attach the shower base to the PVC pipe
Thank you very much
Thanks bro Tomorrow I am gonna do it by myself for my New bathroom.
Before putting the deck mud on top of the vinyl liner, do you spread a layer of thinset across the vinyl to bond with mud?
Awsome reminds me of roofing i do commercial roofing and hand weld pvc and tpo materials at corners and ac curbs on roofs we call those corners hog ears I wonder if an 0.60 thickness pvc membrane can be used as a liner . I know I can make that waterproof and hand weld the corners with a heat gun . Love your videos hopefully be doing my bathrooms over in my new house thanks to your videos
I replace a few showers a year that have been done like this. I used to curse at this. Now, it’s job security! Thanks man!!
Sweet dude thanks for the video! Gonna give this a shot
I noticed on your video, that you didn't recess the wood(studs), to accommodate the folding of the membrane, that once folded, it creates a bulk and by consequence the bottom of the tile install scoops out, so how would you avoid the bulk on completing the wall (cement board or whatever element you use) ?
Isn't there going to be mortar/ thinset on top of that ?
I tuck the edges nicely inside the studs like you are talking about. He floats his walls out to plumb his walls I used to do this but like my schlutter jolly edge to sit flush and true with the outside drywall edge. This also may take drywall floating for the cleanest finish.
What would be the difference if you’re installing a trough style drain.?.?.?. Gettin ready to build my first pan but definitely need a trough style drain!!
Do you have a video or recommendation? For installing a linear shower drain with attaching the shower pan liner to the drain
After this liner, did you pour the cement slope and then place your backer board into the pan overlapping the liner?
Thank you 4 your videos...I'm tryng to convert my tub shower in to a walk in so I'm watching all your videos related to this.
Just subscribed to your channel, absolutely love your stuff man. I've been involved in construction for several years and love to see people take joy in their work!!!
Same here
Can we reuse the drain flange, if we're putting the shower pan back in? We're not tiling, but installing galvanized steel, and again, reusing the fiberglass shower pan. Also curious if you would suggest using the PVC liner underneath the shower pan, for use with the steel sheets?
Thank you.
I just ripped out a shower in our new to us modular house in Florida. Difference was, they used Portland cement and tile above the liner. This wouldn't have been so bad, except the plumbing leaked inside the wet wall, trashing the flooring under the shower. I will have to redo the whole thing. Also no vapor liner was used. They just tiled over the regular sheet rock which also was fine, although I would have used mold resistant. I'm going to try solid sheets with a seat similar to what you have here. My layout is flip flopped, wet wall is on the right side looking at the shower from the front.
Will you add more backer board to bring it closer to the floor were you scabbed the wall to fasten youre pan liner. Thanks for all the helpful info.
I have the same question. I need to know the missing steps between this video and the next one. What did you put over the pan liner on the wall to make it flush with the wall board? I am now stuck at the spot where this video ended. HELP !! Please.
How you doing … I been watching your videos for over a week now great job … but I’m a little indecisive now which way to go with my shower … You go multiple ways on your walls and pans… I already experienced a bad shower and had major damages and now looking for trusted product to avoid another nightmare… I understand the installer is the one that must know how to install what ever product to go with … can you recommend my product ?
Thanks.
Hy. good morning. I am watching your video. and now I am a handy guy, do anything with my hands. but I am doing a bathroom walking shower. I am debating to do like tou are doing with the dry packing system or to put back the white fiberboard base / water catcher base. now. my question is can I install that water tite fabric down first and then install the fiberglass shower base water catcher on top ? thanks
Hi buddy thank you for your videos . What size of Durock you put after install the shower pan in order to keep the level of the wall
Great video. Wish you showed how to put the liner on the shower bench as well though
If you have a linear drain would you install the drain first and lay the oatley mat inside it?
Tile Coach you're the BOSS! Thank you for all the tutorials. I have a right sloping drain on 5 foot tub I want to replace with a walk-in shower pan. The current drain plumbing on the far right is about 8 inches from the wall. How do I slope the pan back to the drain?
On the first mortar bed with the slope, did you place any barrier between the wooden subfloor and mortar?
I swear we're the only plumbers with socket sets
Hi Issac, can you please explain if the liner comes up 6 inches on the wall and your wall board stops at the top of the liner. how do you tile over the liner going up the wall? Please, I need help.
socket for bolts helps, we use a hot mop to seal pans up to the blocking, have never used a liner yet on a pan but nice job bro!
Hello. Quick question, I wanna start using hydraban over the schluter shower floor installs. The question is what type of thinset should I use over hydraban??? I would think unmodified ( the BEST unmodified) available. Do u agree?? Thanks
How did you waterproof the seat area? I would have not installed the sheet rock backer on front of seat and I would have removed sheet rock like you did for the pan on top of seat , side seat , and front going down wall to install the liner. Then install you lath/wire over liner that is on seat area and up the walls.
Seat framing should be pitched 1/4 per foot for proper drainage to weep holes.
What do you think of installing the 2x4 curb about 3/4 short of the wall on both sides ( so basically the 2x4's don't go all the way left and right) now when installing the liner you can tuck the liner in that gap ? This can enable the liner to be completely seamless over the curb and the side of the curb where you had used those patches.....I have done it both ways , but like the tuck method. I round the edge of the 2x4 at the top also, so its not to sharp against the liner.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful! I noticed that you have the moisture/mildew resistant drywall on the walls. Will you be installing tile? If so, how will you waterproof the walls? Thanks for you feedback.
Hey Tile Coach, how are you going to waterproof that bench/ledge on the side there? Is putting redgard on the plywood enough?
Hey just curious, what advantages does using this liner have over a hot mop?
Thanx for the up load, awesome job
Would like to know do I do the curb with fat mud before the upper level pack mud or first the packing mud and then the curb sides on top . Thank you very much for your help. I enjoy all your videos and the dedication it takes to do make them very good inspiration.
What is your opinion on instead of cutting in a circle for the flange, you cut it like a pie and leave the flaps in place?
why wall boards so high how this gonna be finished. i watched a lot of yours videos but i couldynt find this information thank you
8" up to ensure no leakage if water accumulates under tile
Same here , lol
1 way would be to use 1/4" cement board glued to the liner
Great job. Nevada Union was no joke in football.
We’re using wet/dry backer board in our shower. Do we need to take that all the way down to the concrete floor and put the liner over that? Or should we put the liner down and let the backer board go over the part of the liner that’s going up the wall?
Nice corner detail. I get the liner stapled in place then make my cuts and glue in the corner, but I like your way better, the way it overlaps.
So different to how we do it in Aus. Great workmanship 🤙 we normally sheet the room with cement board (villa board) then caulk any seams, joins or screws and then paint on a waterproof membrane. It gives a even flat finish to tile on. For the floors we the lay a sand cement screed on top for falls. So interesting how different things are done
This is also done this way in the US. I’m going to be doing exactly that (except I’ll be doing a hard pack floor over a pan liner) but otherwise the same
In your professional opinion whats the best system ? I had a pvc liner with red guard water proofer and deck mud that failed after 7 years. I am looking for alternate shower pan system such as KBRS or hydroband. That’s your recommendation?
Are you still using polyurethane if the groove isn't there? The drains I deal with just have a lip around the outside edge. Would you still use polyurethane?