Massive Union contracts pushed Ford and GM to replace humans with robots
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- Massive Union contracts pushed Ford and GM to replace humans with robots
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Complain about your job long enough, they will find a way to replace you.
Yup and if this is rince and repeat enough, they will pay you to do nothing. Keep pushing for union and productivity!!
UAW knows that Automation and AI will take it all. But push job pay up on job will take. Those positions aren't as valuable as tech grows. Just like GPT chat, and Writers. Hell in 25 year why have actors. One person can write, direct and animate their own show.
Unions was the old solution to employers hiring cheap migrant workers to replace entitled American laborers.
@@haventsleptyet
Anyone not from the Christian Race is from the Tree of good and evil.
Robots pass the drug tests. Robots ARE the immagrants you fear.
Whether immigrants or robots the international capital is behind it.
And they're having babies!
And each generation is much much smarter than before. Robots evolve faster than humans. Scary.
Whether robots or immigrants behind them stands i*ternational c*pital.
...that's the topic of Quantic Dream's "Detroit become human".
This is a civilian-wide phenomenon. Just about everyone is at risk of being replaced by AI and robots sooner or later.
If we all get replaced there will be none left to buy the stuff they are building.
Yep, if you work in a call center AI is definitely coming for your job. AI will replace the "tier 1" call center support people. The company will keep some of the tier 2 support people on, but the AI will learn from the issues that require tier 2 intervention, and the AI will eventually handle the callers who require tier 2 support too.
"at risk" - as an industrial electronics technician I am not working for 25 years now. Gaming, recreative sports, self-education and tinkering with electronic circuits and code is way too worthy for me...and waking up when I feel...like going to sleep when I want. People should just chill out.
" Just about everyone is at risk of being replaced by AI and robots sooner or later." Nothing will ever replace the basic ditch digger! {says guy with a shovel} /sarcasm
@@jeffjwatts If I were going into a field today I'd consider air conditioner installation and repair. Demand will only grow, it can't be outsourced overseas, it's difficult to automate, and people will pay a premium for the skill.
Fantastic! Humans should be preoccupied with the planet and agriculture, working to protect wildlife and ecosystems 😊
Hm. Wonder what that pays.
It doesn't matter whether it's a union shop or not, the floor workers are going to be replaced with robotics. The non union folks are going to be in the same boat. What's to prevent a manufacturer to open a new facility with the least amount of human input. The union couldn't stop the assembly and parts allocation from another country. And to add fuel to the fire, the only thing that robots consume, is energy. It's not a union/non union discussion.
And at least the unionized ones might get a better deal when getting fired, everyone else won't even get a thank you. Remember it's because of unions we don't work 12 hours shifts
@@weakenedinkSome people work 10 and 12 hour shifts.
And many people (Salary) work over 40 hours per week.
@weakenedink Really? Heard of MANDATORY OVERTIME? That is due to unions' creating the 40 hour work week. It wasn't to limit how much time you worked per day. It was to increase the cost of labor to drive up the amount paid in dthemselves. Union bosses never did anything for anybody except themselves.
@@billcichoke2534 and do workers get paid time and a half or better for that OT? Yes, they do. I'll pass your thank you on to the Unions who fought for that for you.
Under the UAW agreement the the GM battery production plants will be staffed by members who are being displaced in GM plants. VW which is non union is currently in a certification situation in Chattanooga and may soon be a union shop.
IMO:yes unions share some of the blame
But the stealership network has to go.
Agreed. The extra cost of supporting each dealer's employees aren't going to help the legacy automotive manufacturers ... regardless of what mix of vehicles they decide to produce.
They will simply have a robot sales team. Problem solved.
If robots are the new unpaid workers, who will be able to purchase robot made goods. As consumers have we gotten better results with automation, I’m thinking self checkouts, customer service calls etc. yes it’s cheaper but it doesn’t seem to benefit the end user. I also find it funny that computers are the best at crunching numbers and statistics, yet CEO’s and CFO’s aren’t being replaced, or have to renegotiate contracts with lowered wages, being chat gpt can do their jobs quicker and better with a few key clicks.
@@JoeyBlogs007 "They will simply have a robot sales team. Problem solved." We already have that. It's a website.
Stealerships and the fossilized management and engineering departments.
Who will they sell their cars to if nobody has a decent wage and a job? Maybe the robots will buy them.
Price of vehicle will be less 😊
Everyone doesn't work an hourly wage manual labor job. There are plenty of people who will still be able to buy vehicles, especially if the cost of those vehicles become much less expensive due to the lower labor cost of using humanoid robots. Humanoid robots will be able to work longer, more consistently without getting sick, drunk or showing up late, They won't need maternity leave, health insurance or have ridiculously expensive UAW contracts. Drastically reducing costs will mean the manufacturers can sell the product at a much cheaper price point and still maintain or more than likely increase their profit margins. I'm confident this was always in the cards for the manufacturers, however the UAW pushed this up the "to do" list with their contract negotiations. I hope they're saving their money, because their jobs will no longer be there in a few years.
Sam Altman is a big proponent o UBI....he knows what's coming
People with money as any other business does.
@@teerex65 That's NOT how Capitalism works! Capitalism says "Maximize Profits!!!". If a manufacturer has a choice between cutting prices (do to reduced costs from using robots) versus holding prices level and increasing CEO compensation, they will absolutely hold prices level.
Of course CEO’s say that, they used to say “how can we stay in business if you outlaw slavery”, they used to say “how can we compete if you make child labor laws”, they used to say “if we have to pay extra for more than 40 hours we’ll be out of business”, business has always said that.
They will replace people with robots no doubt, but that was always the plan regardless of what they pay autoworkers … 350k per person? That’s laughable, the avg autoworker makes $22 hr.
The robots are coming…
For EVERYONE’s jobs…
... including A.I.
Looks like a good time to be a robot service technician. With millions of robots we're going to need a huge number of technicians. Most Robots have many mechanical moving parts that wear out and need servicing.
@@tubester4567 true that
There are now many companies who are partnered with bot makers for one reason.The UAW can't unionize bots..Unions will be a relic of the past.
until politicians create new taxes on robots or force companies to pay money to some fund like a union retirement fund.
@@ronblack7870Who will members of the union when there are no employees left?
Massive Union Contracts? That claim...is an outright lie. Back in 1985 when the Canadian members of the UAW separated from the UAW a cost comparison was done looking at the costs per car in Canada and the USA. the total cost of building a vehicle was 5-7 % of the retail price of selling a car in Canada in American dollars. versus 9-11 % in the USA. Both countries workforces made up a small percentage of the retail price of a vehicle. Greed or more profits is the driving force.
In a Monetarism Capitalist System....you must fight for the right to live.
or...change the system.
Retiree
UAW/ CAW & TCA / Unifor Local 199
Canada
Writing is on the wall. Kodak moment coming.
Amazing how we engineer our own downfall. Profit is God.
i talked to Kodak before and was told that Kodak has the biggest share of the film business and that's where they make their profits there is no reason to change. Management knows they have all the information. The so-called experts on the internet do not understand.
@@Jimwenten I worked in the printing industry, And Kodak's share of film sales and use was undercut by almost 70%. by Fuji and Sony. Kodak is still a 2 billion a year company however. You're right about the internet experts
@@oscarjohnson9156 thanks for the update i didn't know.
Automation increases productivity.
Fuck that mess.
been saying this for a long time. "careful what you wish for". Looks like the uaw will increase membership costs to make up for all the laid off employees!
The workers know the big three are gonna go under.😮 there just trying to get all they can before it happens
I have never seen a robot buy a car.
Where do they say that ford spends $350k per worker? Are they taking about line workers or including the office jobs? (I.e.the CEO etc)
Yeah I think we need some more information there.
$100.00/hr @ 40/week x 52/weeks/year = 2080hr/year = $208,000 Total cost is typically 2x the hourly rate.
@@georgemead6608100 bucks is the average pay for the engineers only, the top technicians on the assembly lines with certificates are making 30-40 dollars per hour, max. Cherry picking of the data is the usual MO for the crowds gathering here, no surprises whatsoever 😊.
Ford is quoting $8.8 Billion in additional costs for the Contract which expires in 2028. About 2 Billion +/- per year. Divide that cost per worker.
@@DavidC-pg6ni 2 billion a year would buy a bunch of robots.
The ordinary workers at car plants will soon see that UAW union leaders sold them out !!!
Not really, because union or no union, robotics is very likely going to replace us in the workforce anywhere, it's just the pace of how quickly it happens and the incentive of businesses to do so which higher wages will give them more of an incentive to push us out, that's not really the union fault, that's our fault for wanting better wages all the time.
@@paul1979uk2000 How about the wages of GMs CEO last year she made $40 million with her stock options in addition to salary. Whose fault is that??
@@oscarjohnson9156What's wrong with that? Socialism made Stalin the richest man in Eurasia..
@@francismarion6400 Stalin wasn't a socialist. And he didn't have any real personal wealth. ‘we are all communists here, comrades and there can be no private property among us’
@@oscarjohnson9156 He was a Socialist and he was the most powerful person in Eurasia during his rule. He enjoyed exactly what the czar would have enjoyed, while millions of his people they murdered and starved. Stalin could get away with murder.
Fun fact: check out the CEO pay of automakers including Farley. Anyone stating employees are too expensive just needs to look at the massive salaries awarded to the top Execs of every major automaker. Then complain about high prices are due to workers. I dare you.
This is old hat. Problem is that if you eliminate Farley and give his pay to all the workers each one it comes to peanuts. Shan was spouting this nonsense during the strike. A good CEO can make or brake a company. If you can land a good one he is worth a lot to the company. Let me assure you few are.
No one goes into business for the workers! lol
The unions have earned this. They have priced themselves out of the market.
How much do the robots cost to purchase and maintain? Who will do the maintaining? Probably gig workers on contract with no benefits.
Who will do the transporting, installation, and training for this equipment? Humans will be doing lots of work still
@@haventsleptyet exactly
Ford, GM and BYW can talk all the robot BS they want, but Elen Musk has already gone over this ground and found that while automation has its place, humans can often out perform robots and are also much more flexible when it comes to addressing the problems inevitably arise. Long ago Henry Ford found that paying his workers enough to by his product helped his sales boom, and Robots don't ever buy cars.
These guys never think about what happens when they lay off half the work force. The vast majority of those people will go into survival mode & no longer buy your trinkets. Also, being idle, they will get involved in politics and other organizations that will work against your company with things like supporting Bernie Sanders and bills to tax companies & the remaining workers more to pay for larger amounts of gov't welfare & possibly UBIs.
The management have been robots for years.
And how is that working out??
Hello Sam. Can you please talk about the Xiaomi SU7 that got 90k orders in a day😝
Probably the most discussed vehicle in history in China
Exactly my view. 👍
There are consequences to greed.
If they are so concerned about workers' pay, start with cutting the pay of their executives.
Legacy automakers have a huge distance to go automating their ancient production lines to today's standards (90-95% automated), let alone replacing line workers with humanoid robots. Most will be out of business before they do the former, so we needn't worry about humanoid robots.
"we needn't worry about humanoid robots" is exactly what a rogue humanoid robot would say! We're on to you!
Legacy automakers won't be automating their ancient production lines they need to start over completely for electric vehicles
@@stevechance150😅
Giga Shanghai operates a 95% automated production line, enabling a cycle time of less than 40 seconds! Every 40 seconds a world class quality car rolls off the line.
I think the biggest monkey in the room is that you only need to train a robot to do something once.
I don't work there but I'm on the side of the unions. The reason why they got what they did was because it was a directly proportional response to all the ceo bonuses who got billions when totaled. Please don't make the mistake of blaming the little guy who had to make concessions years ago and many of them only making $16/hour for years. Very, very few were making the kind of money that you claimed. Yes they may increase the amount of automation but that was very likely to happen anyway to compete with all the other automakers. I think the unions finally got what they were owed but it was always a given that further automation is in the cards. If the automakers are so worried about what the workers are being paid then maybe they should think of that when they are giving themselves bonuses.
You hit the nail on the head Sam!
Enter Toyota’s intriguing proposition: the 1:6:90 rule. It’s a simple yet profound equation, suggesting that the minerals required to manufacture one electric vehicle could produce six plug-in hybrids or even 90 conventional hybrids.
The employees asked for too much? No one talking about the CEOs asking for too much. It is always the employees that ask for too much.
Fantastic! Lay the unions all off!
The car company's want to keep their huge profits instead of having reasonable profits and being forward thinking, like switching to electric vehicles. That is a much larger factor in the problems. It's the companys' greed that will be their downfall.
Capitalists *already* have a motivation for replacing workers, and have been doing so whenever/wherever they can. Suggesting that workers should accept wages they can't live on, or jobs that leave them crippled at the end of their careers, with no pension is ridiculous.
Once ICE car sales collapse they will never recover. The EV factories replacing them will not need nearly as many employees.
The UAW needs to fight back by signing up the robots into the union.
Problem is leadership, not the union.
The US is a special case because most of their industry is antiquated. Newer car factories in Europe are more highly automated, the Hyundai plant in Czech Republic for example, produced as many cars in 2023 as Tesla Berlin, with a workforce 1/3 the size. What you don't really need is humanoid robots.
We all see that it's coming. 😅😅😅👍👍
Same complaints when the steam engine replaced mine workers. Jobs change over time.
This has been going on since the late 70's. Machines have been replacing humans since the UAW peak in 1979 and yes they are robots by definition, just a simpler form. The difference today is they are starting to use AI to complete more delicate human like tasks.
That's a great elephant painting on the wall behind you.
I'd like to see a breakdown of how 1 union worker costs $350,000 per year. Even in California, where payroll taxes and benefits may end making the worker's cost double their salary, this sounds a bit far-fetched without a very good explanation. And you will require a very good explanation to convince any thinking individual that a UAW worker (making a little over $20/hour on average) is indeed 8 times their salary. Have you done any research into why (perhaps defined benefit retirement plans/aka pension)?
I been to dozens of plants in Detroit area. I can still remember a young lady with gigantic fake nails checking torque on transmissions bell-housing on F-150 on assembly line in Dearborn. She was struggling to not break her nails with not much care of her job. That sight alone made me never buy a UAW assembled vehicle.
You're full of Bull. There are personal safety issues as regards to impediments to proper performance of a given task. You must be properly clothed and physically able to perform the task assigned to you. And properly groomed. She would have been facing both union and management discipline. There are rules that cover such things.
Full time assembly worker - takes home $18-$32 dollars an hour. Ford CEO - workers are costing us $350k per year apiece. Where is the money going?
But with Mary Barra making $29 mil, or 362x the avg GM worker pay (one year worker pay=one day of Mary pay) Sean Fein’s line that record profits should=record contracts for workers rings true. Unfortunately, I don’t know what Mary’s pay cut is, if any, with the higher worker pay. Instead of restructuring exec. Pay, cut jobs. Greed is good is pretty shitty.
The rule is simple, "The CEO gets ALL the pie". If the workers want any pie, they should become a CEO.
Unless legacy auto redesigns itself it will fail without government support. They need to ditch the dealers, restructure management and engineering, and learn to build cars for less with or without human workers.
She gets to decide if GM is going to spend a few hundred million on a plant in USA or Mexico or go all robotic. A line worker gets to decide how hard to turn a bolt. Who has more responsibility for success or failure?
@@stevechance150 or find work elsewhere
@@danharold3087 true, execution will be very difficult. Will GM and Ford merge before they fail if it comes to that?
Same is happening at UPS
Lets hope the robots are programmed and capable to spot defects
The UAW has driven the manufacturers to replace humans with robots. Also entitled workers and lazy workers also are a contributor as well.
For Ford, GM, Stellantis, bankruptcy is inevitable. Robots won't save them. They need expert software engineers, production experts, designers, innovations, labor saving experts... Just too many for these snail companies.
So much for unions.
Perhaps some of the expensive executives could also be replaced.
The argument that these companies wouldn't pursue robots if the union hadn't gotten a better contract is incredibly stupid. Automakers without unions were the already pursuing robots. These companies only care about their profits, and will do whatever they can to cut labor costs. Without unions, there is no way to push back against management.
never understood why humanoid robots have to have legs when working in a production environment, wheeled or tracked base would seem more appropriate.
Dude. Eventually we're going to see untethered humanoid robots getting into cars and driving them off the assembly line and out to the storage parking lot. Your robot needs feet for that task.
@@stevechance150 why would you need a robot to get in a car and drive it when autonomous driving is already a thing, Eventually an Ai production manager will just tell it which bay to go park and charge in..
@@stevechance150At least until the cars drive off themselves. But assembling things inside the car may require some robots to get inside the vehicles
@@charlesuk5358 They will assemble things inside the car that larger Robots can’t do easily.
@@DavidC-pg6ni True, i can imagine wiring harness connections will be difficult
UAW is hurting the legacy auto industry in the U.S. significantly.
Less workers, more cost. Disruption is occurring.
I want to unionize robots. calling dibs on that idea. 😁
Automation will sweep in as the economy and businesses get close to going under and those jobs will NEVER come back.
I'd love to see more data about the $370,000 figure. That's simply impossible if you're talking about line workers, even including a generous allowance for pension and medical costs. That's easily double what most other data might suggest as a cost per worker. You need more financial analysis in this Sam and less drama.
I think it includes all necessary administration and structure that has to be in place for human workers, such as HRs, supervisors, managers, payroll system, infirmary, break room, etc.
@@stevezhan9324As well as the millions paid out in frivolous lawsuits. 😢
20% for wc and 3% liability insurance
Auromation has been how companies have stayed profitable with a ever increasing labor costs . Now the employees that are still employed get a far higher wage and benifits but there are such fewer of them its not a problem . When the wage goes past what is profitable the company has to adapt to stay profitable so they will intensly try to figure on how to eliminate that job . Thats probably the best job to get into for emploment today figuring how to eliminate other peoples jobs .
Union or not, robots will keep taking over car manufacturing.
I see more Billionaires and more people going to the food bank 🙁
When excavators first came out and replaced 50 to 100 workers with shovels per excavator they claimed it would decimate jobs also.
And it did. The number of workers needed to build a road or mine is much lower.
@@softwarephil1709
and yet the unemployment rate in industrialised countries is lower than in the poorer ones despite the latter not having a lot of machines due to low labour cost
Chr4, poor countries don’t have many construction projects or other job opportunities.
Ill be making money with my robotaxi when FSD is fully approved. No need for drivers.😊
You'd be better off just buying Nvidia stock.
NVDA if you're wondering.
@@stevechance150It will probably have a similar future letdown as people catch up. They’re already way inflated, although if you were in a couple years ago, you’re great!
300k per employee?!
You've lost your mind if you think that is even close to the hourly cost of an employee
"$350k per full time worker"
That's why your car costs $30k and not $3k.
With A.I. and robotics developing so fast and getting cheaper, it's a forgone conclusion that over the long run, they are likely going to take over the majority of jobs, including future jobs we create because A.I. will likely be able to adapt to any new job we try to create.
The kicker in all this is the capitalist system which will push companies to push humans out of the workforce as we keep demanding higher wages and better conditions, whiles at the same time, consumers will continue to want goods on the cheap.
The end result is that most companies will be forced to push humans out of the labour market just to stay competitive, in the same kind of way how so many go for cheap labour.
Basically, capitalism, competition, companies wanting to cut cost to compete better with its rivals, consumers wanting better quality goods and at a lower price point will put the squeeze on us all in the workforce, and the kicker in all that is that it will only take one company in any given field to force the rest to do the same just to compete.
So yes, as the tech gets better, cheaper and more capable, I can't see many jobs being safe, which brings us to the question of us, what do we do? The current system isn't really setup to allow so many people to not work, so I think we are going to need a radical overall on the system, probably with some kind of human basic allowance, and at the pace of A.I. and robotic development, the pressure is likely going to build quite quickly over the coming decades or sooner.
Also, I know some people will say we'll create new jobs, and I'm sure we will, but unlike automation of the past that is to a specific task, A.I. and robotics is very broad in its use case, basically, you could throw it at pretty much any task, which means any current job and any future jobs we create, that's likely going to be a major problem under the current system because once companies can reduce cost, they will do so and the icing on the cake is that the ones that do use A.I. and robotics, will have a massive advantage over the ones that don't, in other words, there goods are likely to be better and cheaper than rivals, either forcing the rivals to go bankrupt or to do the same and adopt A.I. and robotics and before we know it, there's likely going to be an avalanche of job losses, the real question is when and how aggressive the job losses are.
There is a silver lining in all this, A.I. and robotics will allow far more goods to be made much closer to where the goods are being sold, the ones that lose out by far the most are cheap labour countries, especially the likes of China, because the advantage of cheap labour and weaker working conditions will be gone once A.I. and robotics is good enough and cheap enough to replace even the cheapest of labour on the planet, so from a trade and security point of view, there's a lot of good to that.
It's also going to be interesting to see how different countries around the world response to all this, I have a feeling that many countries like the US, China and many others with weak social safety nets will throw the workers under a bus, which means a much bigger divide from rich and poor in those countries, whereas countries with stronger social protection, which is more or less every other modern country and many developing ones will likely have far more pressure from the people on the government and the government will likely have far more pressure on corporations to change how business is done, in other words, it's highly unlikely to be business as usually for corporations in those countries or corporations around the world that want to do business in those countries, so expect far more intervention from government on corporations in those countries that have strong social safety nets.
I also find it ironic how a lot of fear about robotics and A.I. have been on wiping humans out, which is still a possibility, but it's ironic that what they really want is to take over all our jobs, apart from a handful, which won't be anywhere near enough to for the entire population, meaning we are going to need a radical rethink on our system around the world.
Unions only care amount money not the mission of the company. Such a short sighted goal was key for the foreign makes to overtake them.
That's not quite true, unions are about protecting the interest of its workers, whiles also getting better conditions and higher pay.
The problem here is that A.I. and robotics is getting cheaper and better all the time, and that's likely going to put the squeeze on the human workforce.
But make no mistake about it, union or no union, A.I. and robotics is still coming after our jobs, unions just make sure we get better conditions in the meantime before our jobs are taken over, but it's going to happen even if there's no union, simple because we keep demanding higher page in a world where A.I. and robotics is getting better, cheaper and more capable all the time, so the squeeze is on regardless of union or not.
How do they come up with a 350K$ figure per employee cost????
Corporate has always de-valued human workers. It’s all about profits folks!
It's all about CEO pay. If CEO compensation weren't tied directly to profits, then Profits wouldn't be the only consideration when making decisions for the business.
@@stevechance150CEO comp needs to be about long term sustainability and success, not quarterly profits. Short Term Thinking wrecks much of the companies that don’t have Founders at the helm anymore.
robots do not yet spend money. Q: what is the "mass" that buys cars that are "mass" produced? A: a mass with no money to buy the cars because it has been replaced with robots. there is a point where the manufacturers of anything that is mass produced, will not be able to sell their mass produced goods because there is no one to buy them. as robots get better and better at human tasks, this process will get more and more pronounced. oh those troublesome humans.. they get sick, they cost too much, they argue... but when they no longer have money, they do not spend money. this does not end well. looks like our whole system might be the next kodak.
I'm sure the UAW will require robots to pay union dues
Can you tell me where you got the wages cost ? Also what about the wages of the management. ?
every day we have work cells that are down because workers call off . if someone comes up with humanoid robots that can do the job we will buy them.
They would replace people with robots regardless of what they get paid.
That has been happening for ages though. The move to use humanoid shaped ones is a minor advance for getting to tasks that need that human shape and actions.
Workers need to remember the object of life is not working! If a machine can do it great.
It is not like these workers are clamouring for their old work with a scythe back, or hand threshing grain. Not getting at them but Everyone is going to get what they well and truly deserved for their greed for ever more pay. Top to bottom. Hopefully Ai will deal with the smug supposedly clever, I am worth so much more, group too.
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Cheers mate
Robots assembling inferior components will just make the same junk faster. Ford and GM need quality redesign from the ground up, which is why vertical integration makes a huge difference in the whole manufacturing process. The death spiral is already in progress, ICE management thinking has not changed.
Ford keep building combustion engines and thats the problem
But that's the only part of their operation is making profit, lose that then they are in big trouble
Ford is balancing profitable ICE vehicles with unprofitable EV vehicles. It's a fine line to walk to know what's the right path.
@@ohger1ford needs to learn how to build EVs at a profit
@@Jimwenten All manufacturers need to learn to make EVs profitably. I took Tesla almost ten years to turn a profit, and even that took subsidies.
I really hope that the VW line workers will not fall into the UNION trap. People are going to lose jobs, and the only ones getting richer are the UNION Bosses.
Raised in Michigan and worked one time for the Teamsters as a forklift driver I can tell you the unions killed all types of mfg jobs in the state in the late 70's. Automakers need to figure out a way to reduce the parts needed to make a vehicle The company that does that first will be a winner.
The jobs in the late 70s that were lost were a result of Reaganomics.
@@oscarjohnson9156 I do not know about Reagonics causing Michigan to turn into a service instead of a leading mfg state. I worked roughly 70 hours a week as an 20-year-old making close to the same amount as my father working as VP of International Engineering for a Fortune 100. We had many union work slowdowns that killed production.
It started with vending machines
Of course. What did we expect?
What a surprise?
They were gonna do that anyway !
Afternoon mate
EV disruption of ICE market means that all parts of the supply chain including CEOs and including labor take a hit. CEOs are expensive … much more so than most workers tho fewer in number. Don’t worry. It is no one’s fault though of course it is inevitably everyone’s doing when we advance tech which is a net positive win for all of us.
Oh and also for the planet and everything else.
When manufacturers make a consumer product like automobiles how do they expect to have buyers when consumers have no jobs? They will have to shutter that business.
There is really no way to replace the human touch ! Robots cant do everything ! Yes robots are reliable and accurate and dont tire or take sick days or get paid humans are still needed ! Even to maintain the bots !
Government and industry must carefully balance the outcomes of increased robot labor with social needs. After all, these workers are also consumers, and while robots, in many cases, can outperform human workers, they don't shop at Walmart. Robots make sense as long as there is still room for people to make a good living and sustain a healthy economy. But if the result is a widespread destabilization of society, what then? Perhaps the answer, as some have suggested, is a guaranteed national income or some other way to provide human beings with the necessary income to live a decent life. We must not, under any circumstances, devalue human life, and that is what worries me about this debate. It makes no sense to me to pile on UAW workers, as we should remember that these are human beings who have families and live in communities.
Moreover, this is nothing more than a cold, calculated decision for the top tier of the auto industry. Does anyone think those who run large multinational enterprises care about people? For them, it will always be profit over people.
It’s piling on the Union Leadership. They’re aware that China just hit 48% EVs in the most recent month. GM and Ford could have been SERIOUS about EVs a DECADE ago and the Union could have been focused on getting the more advanced jobs…instead GM and Ford will likely Go the Way of Xerox, Kodak, Sears and Blockbuster. ALL of them had the opportunity to be a bigger part of the EV and Battery Storage Industry a Decade plus ago. Unions fought that and are about to Reap what they Sowed. It’s a shame because the #2 and #3 players Globally could have been GM and Ford, if they had simply partnered with Tesla a decade ago. Mercedes and Toyota should NEVER have sold their 9% or so of Tesla. Made a short Term gain a while ago but would have almost doubled their company valuation if they stuck it out.
C’est la vie!
Then we need to know how much the dealers are making...their profit margins... Example a 2023 EV Lightning sella for over 80k.... At dealer
If no one is working then cars will be freee.YEAH!!!!!!!!!
People are studying that. Have been for a long time.
$350 000 per worker does not sound correct.
Also cut down on mistakes. Hear that Ford?
You should be talking to Boeing they really could benefit from a change in workforce.
@@laohu5511 Yes, but that would make me an equal opportunity butthead😂😂
I got kicked in the nuts by a Ford mistake last week, kicked in the lug nuts.
@@stevechance150 Yeah, It's a shame bought a 93 LX new. great car. only problems were it had R12 AC. and the Thin Film module. !93 K when I sold it. Never used a drop of oil
No problem, the US will impose a Robot Tax. $100K/YR per Robot for each job that can be done by a human being. The only good use for a humanoid robot is in space landing on the moon and mars to build a human outpost from scratch. The weight of these units and power requirements severely limit their functioning. The Chinese robot you showed has a four hour operating time before it needs servicing/charging. When tethered motion is limited and slow. Boston Robotics has faster and better warehouse robots, but face the same operating challenges.
Well we saw this coming. Can I have UBI now lmao?
Pretty soon we’ll have a AI Viking
$34T in debt, the government absolutely needs inflation. All this tech is very deflationary.( Higher productivity and fewer jobs )
What will be their answer??
Ok boomer.
Why is GM CEO made almost $34 million in 2022?