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If you go down with high speeds you’re bike is done for it anyways. If you go down with low speeds, frame sliders will protect you’re bikes frame and engine. With some wide ones they will protect you’re feet en legs from getting crushed aswell. Unfortunately used them more then ones and they did a great job.
I just went over on my Aprilia rf,frame sliders protected my bike and allowed me to get out from under the bike,Not one scratch on my Aprilia thank god,
@CycleCruza I was almost stopped was in my driveway hit a mole trail,bike is like new still,my sliders are real big ,but they did do the job,it's an rf so parts would be hard to find,superpole graphics
that is literally what they are for... I think you are way off on this one. your bike can flip regardless if you have fall protection or not. I have never seen a bent frame from a bike falling on frame protection. you would probably have to be going stupid fast or something for that to bend a frame. I would say do the mods or add the drop protection to fit the application of what you are doing with the bike. If you are stunting get cages, and you will need a bunch of other mods as well or just buy a used stunt bike. If you are street riding you can just get simple frame sliders or engine guards or if you have a cruiser get the big D bars. Racing bikes tend to use the engine guards over frame sliders because they want light weight less drag and have spare racing farings. it all just depends on what you are doing and what bike you have.
Yeah it can flip anyways but the frame sliders/crash bars creates an impact point to the frame that otherwise wouldn't be present. Just google and you'll see what can happend to a frame when a bike crashes with frame sliders and or crash bars. Often times a bent or damaged frame (damage to the structural integrity) can't always be seen right away or by the naked eye. The last thing you need to worry about is damage to the fairings. The frame is the most important thing on a motorcycle.
If you hit a curb with a frame mounted bobbing there is a good chance you will damage the frame which means the bike is written off. I've had to deal with the damage of this with road bikes and on the track. Obviously sometimes the crash bobbins will prevent damage but there is always the risk of excessive damage being caused.... At the time I thought it would be a good idea for these bobbins to have a sheer point that would eliminate the risk of frame damage.
Smacked a Prius that turned in front of me a couple weeks ago. The crash bars saved my leg on the impact im sure, and saved it and the bike when i went to the ground. New SW Motech crash bars on the way.
I watched someone on a R7 with an impact crash cage. lowside at about 40mph. The bike was fine.. if that wasn't installed, that bike would've been totaled.
0:22 that’s on you bruh, I got frame sliders and axle bobbins on my bike and they definitely help in a low speed drop when practicing. It’s not stunt riding, lts practice that catches you out and they save you $$ on levers and cases etc. if you get proper ones, they don’t stress anything. You wrong
With all do respect, I also have to disagree and I also ride the MT-07. I have had the weight of a 1300 Fury on my leg and at the time I didn't care about the frame of the bike. I don't want to be caught under a bike again.
He spent years riding a Yamaha 250 dual sport. And he dumped that puppy a lot too. Not saying I don't see your point, adv bikes benefit a lot from body protection, but don't think this guy hasn't done a TON of adventure riding. Just not on one of your precious "adv" bikes, a category invented to push new models a few years ago.
Frame sliders saved me on 2 low side occasions when I first started riding, only had to replace fairings and bar end and that’s it, been riding 6 years now and still put them on my bike
I had someone swipe me 2 days after put a stunt cage on my 23' 636. It was only at 40MPH but the most major damage was the mirror and a broken brake lever. Of course it needed 2 new sliders.
Be nice to see more scientific study references on this. Sounds like benefit of keeping a leg or foot might outweigh risks. I haven't used them yet but interesting subject.
I totally disagree with this advice. 4 days ago, my daughter turned the wheel making a turn and lost traction going 10mph and the bike slid 10 feet. The crash bars saved the bike and scratches on the muffler. She is a newer rider. Frame sliders also saved me the trouble on another bike that I had just new fairings on and accidentally dropped.
If your going down at speed or the highway your F'd anyway. Frame sliders will save your bike with tip overs and low speed - mid speed spills. My frame sliders saved my cbr600rr and YZF R1 from alot of damage over the years.
I got a fz07 with a GET BENT cage and sub cage. That I've dropped multiple times and a buddy of mine went down on his fz07 and cracked the stator cap. Oil was everywhere. At least get sliders
If you're not frequently challenging yourself in tight and slow exercises where you are likely to drop your bike, you are doing yourself a real disservice. Every engine guard or frame slider that I've looked at stated that they offer engine protection of a slow speed drop. Which is why our adventure bike friends praise them so much. I haven't looked at a cage so I can't speak to that. An at-speed accident and your bike is likely to be totaled by insurance regardless if you have protection or not. More than stunting, it's the continued development of slow-speed skills where engine guards or frame sliders really save your bike.
No one on the street has any reason to dump their bike. Riding off road is what crash bars are for. If you drop your bike at any point on the street, you have no business on a bike.
I thought the same for years until I fitted genuine ones. A low side and I got away with it. Barely a scratch man. Here in the UK we have R& G frame sliders and they were substantial in build quality and amazing in design. The scratches on fairings are too ugly to rattle can over. The engine bar which replaced my honda engine bar was high grade stainless steel. I'm converted I'd have bought these sooner if I'd know how substantial they are. Ride safe too I like your safety gear. Cheers man.
Slid my bike out recently. Sliders saved my bike and my leg from getting trapped and slid on top of. Will never ever not recommend sliders and or crash bars to ANYONE. I think you're 100% off on this to be honest. To your point, yes, I agree, they can at higher speeds in certain situations potentially catch and on an uneven surface. But in the end of the day I think this is a non factor. At those speeds you've got much bigger issues and the bike will already be totaled out either way more than likely. I say that to say the benefits far out-weigh the potential cost of this very specific situation.
Some bikes they work better on than others on. Anything could really make your bike flip. The main thing is to knock on wood and just not crash at high speed. Lol
A well designed crashbar will actually cramble before the plastic forces on the frame become inelastic and damage the frame. That being said... Not every crashbar will be designed with that in mind. And it also depends a lot in the kind of crash, you are going to be involved in. You can't save the unsalvageable.
I don't agree, I crashed my bike and my frame sliders saved majority of my bike. I was missing case covers and front axle sliders. those were the only other areas that got damage besides the handle bars. On my new bike I'm putting on axle slider for front only, case covers because the engine guard/sliders won't always be bullet proof. I haven't seen any one else recommend not getting them for street riding. Is there a risk of it catching on the road? sure but I'd rather mitigate over having no protection at all. The plastic/fairing getting damaged is the least of my worries. Most modern bikes have the engine fully exposed and the first thing to get damaged by a fall. I would rather do my best to save my engine.
The frame sliders or crash bars attachment points to the frame often get torqued when the bike crashes and can cause a bent frame that can't always be seen by the naked eye but can affect the structural integrity of the bike. As far as just dropping a bike, I dropped my former cbr600rr (as seen in the video) and it only caused a scratched stator cover that was a cheap and easy fix. Frame sliders cause an impact to the frame when the bike is dropped or in a crash that otherwise would not have been affected without frame sliders.
@@CycleCruza in my case my clutch cover was hit and it wasn't a simple cover replacement. The cover bent in just enough to catch the basket of the clutch and the bolts inside exploded. I needed to replace my clutch basket, bolts and springs, was not cheap at all. The accident was caused by me accidently sending the bike into a wheel from a stop. I was riding my ducati monster 900, 2000. It was not something I was used to and was never intending to do a wheelie. Unfortunately I got a dislocated arm and fractured shoulder. the bike came down on its side, hit the front wheel and handlebar first, both were toast. Ironically the lip of my rim caught the asphalt and bent it to hell. With axle sliders I probably would have had a better ground clearance. It then slid on the frame slider and the slider wore out enough that the foot rest and clutch went next. Bike recovered with a frame alignment check. Had the bike not had the frame slider I would be looking at a total loss withe the engine taking the majority of the hit and tank destroyed. Even the Ducati dealership I took it to mentioned it was smart to have the sliders. I agree that the sliders do have a possibility to destroy your frame, but at that point I believe your bike is already toast.
I sold my previous bike, I had attempted to help the guy load the bike on to his truck (his method was... Not very well thought out), the plank didn't hold when the bike was half way up, the rear wheel slipped and the bike was dropped from the the truck, 0 damage to the Bike thank to the crash guard. I have witnessed its effectiveness first hand and made it the first thing in mind to buy crash guagds for current bike. So yeah this is a horrible take. Every biker should get crash guard/slider if you want to save money.
yeah this is just completely wrong a stunt cage is good for stunting and most accidents; frame sliders are not only a great investment for a tip over, but can also bring your insurance a lil down depending on your insurance. ive gone down going 60mph on a hwy and my frame sliders were gone but the bike rode home no issue and only needed new 60 dollar sliders and a new shift leaver that was 50 bucks. ive also gone down going 20 with no sliders and needed a new stator cover, leavers, mirror, and fairing, and oil that totaled over 600 dollars. A proper quality set of sliders will not go grabbing everything is will wear down and protect your bike.
Looks like most people in the comment section heavily disagree with CC....I do think there might be certain crappy untested peg like & stunt guards. That if installed on a lightweight bike laying down at 50 mph, could catch a crack or pothole in the road & send flipping end over end. But overall I think the right engine guards on the right bike offer much more protection than risk of further damage in a crash.
@michaelbrinks8089 yeah but generally speaking even at high speeds even a 90 dollar set of guards will do much more than hopes and dreams. I've been critical of most of his videos as of late because it's either half thought out or just wrong.
I respect your opinion, but I can’t agree without the science. You have to experiment with different types of motorcycles and sliders and crash guards of all shapes and sizes, at various speeds and road conditions and a gazillion other factors. Then strip down the motorcycles to see what happened to their frames for obvious or microscopic fractures. Then buy another bunch of bikes and repeat without the sliders or crash bars.
If you crash at any significant speed on road then your bike is likely toast anyway. The vast majority of drops happen at low speeds or stationary which is exactly what crash bars are for, preventing unnecessary damage to fragile parts. Cyclecruza still doing the same old stupid content and recycled clips I see 😂
I was contemplating buying frame sliders to prevent my shifter or other parts breaking or bending when dropping the bike which could result in not being able to drive home but the arguments you make also make sense.
I would put them on adventure type bikes. Most of the spills are low speed when turning or stopping. In my opinion only careless riders spill it on the road. I’ve been riding since 1974 and I never crashed on the road, I only have spilled it in the dirt, ruts and sand mostly. Here in Pennsylvania, the only safety gear they require is glasses. That gets a lot of people killed. I love your emphasis on safety gear. I agree 100!
Technically you can bend your frame if your bike falls over while parked on the kickstand. Even w/out the sliders. However, I had factory Buell frame sliders on my XB12 SCG and had a low side where the frame was protected. Again these were factory frame sliders and bolted where the engine mounted.
Had a crash the other month and my crash cage bent instead of the frame and saved the engine majorly while sliding the crash cage saved my bike from being a write-off you're so far off on this video
They're only useful in really low-speed crashes because, in high-speed crashes, there's a chance that they can catch the ground and flip the bike causing more damage. It's just my personal opinion but I only think that they're useful on dedicated stunt bikes and msf course bikes.
Back in the day when I had them on my FZ6 they would crack the frame if you hit too hard. Since then I just leave it stock and try not to "Layyerdown" lol
On bikes with high center of gravity i will agree that is a possibility, but for bikes with low center of gravity this is very wrong on so many levels. Most frame sliders or crash bars are designed to prevent flip overs, mean they are designed to avoid getting caught in roads imperfections, so even if this is a possibility on high center of gravity bikes, it’s still highly unlikely.
I ride an older sports bike. 97 Kawasaki Ninja zx750r. I never put frame sliders on there. It might be useful for a small drop and things like that to protect the fairngs.
Not nit picking, really am not, but noticed a right turn signal staying on. I love the self-cancelling signals on my 48 and wish they were available for all the metric bikes!
If there isn't a turn signal on for at least half the video, it's not CycleCruza. The man desperately needs a self-canceling mod added to all his bikes. I love the self-cancelling on my new Nightster. Now, I have to be careful not to imitate our friend here when I ride my other bike.
Dude you're just wrong. I have factory accessory crash bars on my bike, and I've dropped it twice by the side of the road while trying to stop to take a picture. I'd have had to replace a ton of fairings, but instead I just had to fix hand guards.
I been watching Mr Cruza fora decade, and I can say he is the smartest guy out there in motorcycle land, he will keep you kids safe out there on the streets, floow him, not the max wrist and other youtube idiots... take it from a 55 year old guy..
Crash Bars and Frame Sliders are not meant to protect your bike in a high speed crash. New Riders don't listen to this. I have seen many people's bikes protected in the event of an accidental tip over, or maybe you low side in a turn by accident. Low speed accidents happen more often to riders then you think and crash bars CAN save you a lot of money. If you lowside at high speeds your bike will likely flip over any way. Change the title and take out NEVER. Its Misleading. Safety courses use them for a reason.
Wrong!….Wrong!….Wrong! Have them on my Goldwing 1800. It’s a 900lb bike. Although they are factory equipment on the 1800’s they’ve saved my legs twice on a low speed slide. Plus it makes it easier to get bigger bikes upright after a fall/slide. Also as far as my Goldwing……….no scratches after a fall.
Crash bar and Frame slider are a bit different don't you think? Since they have it exactly in name - Slider, made for sliding, usually some semi circle/oval shape. I see people already calling on your BS. Get a HD already!
Whatever. How bout YOU send this video to the twins at Twinstunts, sponsored by Yamaha, and then come back and tell your viewers what they said. You need to check your facts.
I’ve put frame slides on all my bikes that I’ve had and it saved my motor and frame I stand by them To each there own But I love you videos, keep it up
Great insight, CycleCruza! I’ve always wondered about crash bars-your point about them possibly causing more harm than good really makes sense. Appreciate the advice and the detailed breakdown!
No one, anywhere, ever calls them frame sliders. They are crash bars. Riding on the street takes zero, zero skill. Old ladies and children can ride a street bike. Boring.
@@CycleCruza We've been watching since your 2nd year brother! keep those videos rolling. and keep your rubber on the ground. / unless your pulling a wheely! lol /
2014 to 2020 mt09 tanks are metal and are worth almost 1/3 the whole bike nowadays if say your bikes worth close to 6 or 7 k but yea im pretty sure all the gen 3s and 4 with the the different motors and frames have tank covers nowadays mt07/mt09 like you ive owned both 🤷♂️
Tbh main reason i have frame sliders is avtually just im case my stupid clumsy ass falls over or misses my kick stand, i cant tell you how many times my kick stand swings back and i dont notice.
Lol lol 😆 🤣 😂 crash bars are really good for lower than legal speeds . Cause Cycle Cruza would be correct on this subject . Sliders samething . Just like off rode crash bars, it's all low speeds . I've never seen in a 650 - or 1000 class race bikes with crash bars on them as well . Words to the wise don't buy what you can't afford will be a great help on your two wheel hobby .
@@Genod3500 thats why i didn't want to listen to the video , cause i called it mostly BS , so i thought i'd get an TLDR cause i ain't going to listen to this much BS
You're a strange person CC. You've gone to a lot of trouble to tell people not to use frame SLIDERS and CRASH BARS. You don't have any legitimate information to state the things you have. None. Pure anecdotes. For all the "things I've seen" as you say, I can show you how many times sliders have saved a ton of motorcycle damages. So what? Do you want to help the motorcycle community, or are you making these ill-informed non-researched, anecdotal videos so you can make Google money? That's selfish. Stop spreading nonsense data. Only for stunt use? So you admit these cages do the job. But somehow they stop doing the job when speeds increase, and when you find a pothole? Comon man. Somehow a frame slider isn't about sliding, the delrin material just grabs everything and throws the bike? Comon man. It's your word against the engineering companies that actually put testing, studies, material science, and innovation in their products. But I guess everyone who buys that stuff is just suckers. You know how popular naked bikes have gotten? THEY DON'T HAVE FAIRINGS! They have engine cases, frames, hard parts, axles, exhaust systems, tanks exposed to damage. That's not "cheap." I don't know about you man, but a couple of delrin knobs scraping on the pavement instead of a whole frame, a tank, an exhaust system, bars.....which causes more friction and is more likely to flip the bike? Delrin? Or all those hard parts?
@@DarkendBlacklol That poor soul doesn't know the definition of it... I bet myself five bucks he's one of those dudes that would agree if his wife told him not to ride anything.. zero masculinity whatsoever 😅
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went down on my fireblade the other day, my frame sliders saved my entire bike lmao
If you go down with high speeds you’re bike is done for it anyways. If you go down with low speeds, frame sliders will protect you’re bikes frame and engine. With some wide ones they will protect you’re feet en legs from getting crushed aswell. Unfortunately used them more then ones and they did a great job.
That's exactly what happened to me ,mine are wide
I just went over on my Aprilia rf,frame sliders protected my bike and allowed me to get out from under the bike,Not one scratch on my Aprilia thank god,
Did you get the frame checked? Good to see you were able stay safe.
@CycleCruza I was almost stopped was in my driveway hit a mole trail,bike is like new still,my sliders are real big ,but they did do the job,it's an rf so parts would be hard to find,superpole graphics
@CycleCruza Frame never touched the ground, I understand your point on the video, checkout skatman there's pics and video of the bike
The sliders are usually bolted to the frame bro. If the slider hits the ground it can crack the frame.
I know that,frame sliders ,I own 5 bikes, daa
I gotta agree with the rest of the commenters here. Frame sliders/ crash bars tend to help you more times than they will hurt you.
My frame sliders have saved my bikes from drops and a low sides. I think they are a must have
But if you're constantly challenging yourself to learn and try new things get crash bars, still worth every penny!!!!
I've had both of my bikes dropped while being moved or ridden at slow speed (by other people) and it saved me thousands in cosmetic damage both times.
The Doc has spoken!
that is literally what they are for... I think you are way off on this one. your bike can flip regardless if you have fall protection or not. I have never seen a bent frame from a bike falling on frame protection. you would probably have to be going stupid fast or something for that to bend a frame. I would say do the mods or add the drop protection to fit the application of what you are doing with the bike. If you are stunting get cages, and you will need a bunch of other mods as well or just buy a used stunt bike. If you are street riding you can just get simple frame sliders or engine guards or if you have a cruiser get the big D bars. Racing bikes tend to use the engine guards over frame sliders because they want light weight less drag and have spare racing farings. it all just depends on what you are doing and what bike you have.
Yeah it can flip anyways but the frame sliders/crash bars creates an impact point to the frame that otherwise wouldn't be present. Just google and you'll see what can happend to a frame when a bike crashes with frame sliders and or crash bars. Often times a bent or damaged frame (damage to the structural integrity) can't always be seen right away or by the naked eye. The last thing you need to worry about is damage to the fairings. The frame is the most important thing on a motorcycle.
If you hit a curb with a frame mounted bobbing there is a good chance you will damage the frame which means the bike is written off. I've had to deal with the damage of this with road bikes and on the track.
Obviously sometimes the crash bobbins will prevent damage but there is always the risk of excessive damage being caused.... At the time I thought it would be a good idea for these bobbins to have a sheer point that would eliminate the risk of frame damage.
Smacked a Prius that turned in front of me a couple weeks ago. The crash bars saved my leg on the impact im sure, and saved it and the bike when i went to the ground. New SW Motech crash bars on the way.
You are wrong for this one man, in most cases they are very good.
Agreed, Jasam
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Your entire audience is against with this one, homie
I watched someone on a R7 with an impact crash cage. lowside at about 40mph. The bike was fine.. if that wasn't installed, that bike would've been totaled.
0:22 that’s on you bruh, I got frame sliders and axle bobbins on my bike and they definitely help in a low speed drop when practicing. It’s not stunt riding, lts practice that catches you out and they save you $$ on levers and cases etc. if you get proper ones, they don’t stress anything. You wrong
With all do respect, I also have to disagree and I also ride the MT-07. I have had the weight of a 1300 Fury on my leg and at the time I didn't care about the frame of the bike. I don't want to be caught under a bike again.
Shogun frame slider saved my zx6r from a low side at 65 mph. No damage to the frame. Better to have them than no protection at all.
So says a dude that never owned or even rode an ADV...
Crash bars saved my V-Strom numerous times.
@@LastCall534 I can see once or twice, but numerous? It's not hard to not wreck.
@@clvrswine I'm talking about offroad, it's an ADV bike. If you knew anything about bikes you'd know that.
He spent years riding a Yamaha 250 dual sport. And he dumped that puppy a lot too. Not saying I don't see your point, adv bikes benefit a lot from body protection, but don't think this guy hasn't done a TON of adventure riding. Just not on one of your precious "adv" bikes, a category invented to push new models a few years ago.
More comparing apples 🍎 & oranges 🍊🤣. Time for Cruza to get ADV and hit the trails not the road. 🏕️🏔️
Disappointed on this one. You couldn't be more wrong. This will be my first downvote.
Frame sliders saved me on 2 low side occasions when I first started riding, only had to replace fairings and bar end and that’s it, been riding 6 years now and still put them on my bike
I had someone swipe me 2 days after put a stunt cage on my 23' 636. It was only at 40MPH but the most major damage was the mirror and a broken brake lever. Of course it needed 2 new sliders.
Crash bar is a must in adventure bikes, I have h2, and I drop it while working on it, and without protecting, I could ended up with at least $1000
Be nice to see more scientific study references on this. Sounds like benefit of keeping a leg or foot might outweigh risks. I haven't used them yet but interesting subject.
You wrong dead wrong
I totally disagree with this advice. 4 days ago, my daughter turned the wheel making a turn and lost traction going 10mph and the bike slid 10 feet. The crash bars saved the bike and scratches on the muffler. She is a newer rider. Frame sliders also saved me the trouble on another bike that I had just new fairings on and accidentally dropped.
If your going down at speed or the highway your F'd anyway. Frame sliders will save your bike with tip overs and low speed - mid speed spills. My frame sliders saved my cbr600rr and YZF R1 from alot of damage over the years.
So I guess bikes without crash bars never flip?
I got a fz07 with a GET BENT cage and sub cage. That I've dropped multiple times and a buddy of mine went down on his fz07 and cracked the stator cap. Oil was everywhere. At least get sliders
If you're not frequently challenging yourself in tight and slow exercises where you are likely to drop your bike, you are doing yourself a real disservice.
Every engine guard or frame slider that I've looked at stated that they offer engine protection of a slow speed drop. Which is why our adventure bike friends praise them so much. I haven't looked at a cage so I can't speak to that. An at-speed accident and your bike is likely to be totaled by insurance regardless if you have protection or not.
More than stunting, it's the continued development of slow-speed skills where engine guards or frame sliders really save your bike.
No one on the street has any reason to dump their bike. Riding off road is what crash bars are for. If you drop your bike at any point on the street, you have no business on a bike.
I thought the same for years until I fitted genuine ones. A low side and I got away with it. Barely a scratch man. Here in the UK we have R& G frame sliders and they were substantial in build quality and amazing in design. The scratches on fairings are too ugly to rattle can over. The engine bar which replaced my honda engine bar was high grade stainless steel. I'm converted I'd have bought these sooner if I'd know how substantial they are. Ride safe too I like your safety gear. Cheers man.
Makes sense to me.
What if they designed the sliders to snap off in the event they are hooked or snagged at speed?
Slid my bike out recently. Sliders saved my bike and my leg from getting trapped and slid on top of. Will never ever not recommend sliders and or crash bars to ANYONE. I think you're 100% off on this to be honest. To your point, yes, I agree, they can at higher speeds in certain situations potentially catch and on an uneven surface. But in the end of the day I think this is a non factor. At those speeds you've got much bigger issues and the bike will already be totaled out either way more than likely. I say that to say the benefits far out-weigh the potential cost of this very specific situation.
Some bikes they work better on than others on. Anything could really make your bike flip. The main thing is to knock on wood and just not crash at high speed. Lol
A well designed crashbar will actually cramble before the plastic forces on the frame become inelastic and damage the frame.
That being said... Not every crashbar will be designed with that in mind.
And it also depends a lot in the kind of crash, you are going to be involved in. You can't save the unsalvageable.
I don't agree, I crashed my bike and my frame sliders saved majority of my bike. I was missing case covers and front axle sliders. those were the only other areas that got damage besides the handle bars. On my new bike I'm putting on axle slider for front only, case covers because the engine guard/sliders won't always be bullet proof. I haven't seen any one else recommend not getting them for street riding.
Is there a risk of it catching on the road? sure but I'd rather mitigate over having no protection at all. The plastic/fairing getting damaged is the least of my worries. Most modern bikes have the engine fully exposed and the first thing to get damaged by a fall. I would rather do my best to save my engine.
The frame sliders or crash bars attachment points to the frame often get torqued when the bike crashes and can cause a bent frame that can't always be seen by the naked eye but can affect the structural integrity of the bike. As far as just dropping a bike, I dropped my former cbr600rr (as seen in the video) and it only caused a scratched stator cover that was a cheap and easy fix. Frame sliders cause an impact to the frame when the bike is dropped or in a crash that otherwise would not have been affected without frame sliders.
@@CycleCruza in my case my clutch cover was hit and it wasn't a simple cover replacement. The cover bent in just enough to catch the basket of the clutch and the bolts inside exploded. I needed to replace my clutch basket, bolts and springs, was not cheap at all.
The accident was caused by me accidently sending the bike into a wheel from a stop. I was riding my ducati monster 900, 2000. It was not something I was used to and was never intending to do a wheelie. Unfortunately I got a dislocated arm and fractured shoulder. the bike came down on its side, hit the front wheel and handlebar first, both were toast. Ironically the lip of my rim caught the asphalt and bent it to hell. With axle sliders I probably would have had a better ground clearance.
It then slid on the frame slider and the slider wore out enough that the foot rest and clutch went next. Bike recovered with a frame alignment check. Had the bike not had the frame slider I would be looking at a total loss withe the engine taking the majority of the hit and tank destroyed.
Even the Ducati dealership I took it to mentioned it was smart to have the sliders. I agree that the sliders do have a possibility to destroy your frame, but at that point I believe your bike is already toast.
I sold my previous bike, I had attempted to help the guy load the bike on to his truck (his method was... Not very well thought out), the plank didn't hold when the bike was half way up, the rear wheel slipped and the bike was dropped from the the truck, 0 damage to the Bike thank to the crash guard. I have witnessed its effectiveness first hand and made it the first thing in mind to buy crash guagds for current bike. So yeah this is a horrible take. Every biker should get crash guard/slider if you want to save money.
yeah this is just completely wrong a stunt cage is good for stunting and most accidents; frame sliders are not only a great investment for a tip over, but can also bring your insurance a lil down depending on your insurance. ive gone down going 60mph on a hwy and my frame sliders were gone but the bike rode home no issue and only needed new 60 dollar sliders and a new shift leaver that was 50 bucks. ive also gone down going 20 with no sliders and needed a new stator cover, leavers, mirror, and fairing, and oil that totaled over 600 dollars. A proper quality set of sliders will not go grabbing everything is will wear down and protect your bike.
Looks like most people in the comment section heavily disagree with CC....I do think there might be certain crappy untested peg like & stunt guards. That if installed on a lightweight bike laying down at 50 mph, could catch a crack or pothole in the road & send flipping end over end. But overall I think the right engine guards on the right bike offer much more protection than risk of further damage in a crash.
@michaelbrinks8089 yeah but generally speaking even at high speeds even a 90 dollar set of guards will do much more than hopes and dreams. I've been critical of most of his videos as of late because it's either half thought out or just wrong.
@@Genod3500 Ya,, I'd rather use guards than not use them..
I respect your opinion, but I can’t agree without the science. You have to experiment with different types of motorcycles and sliders and crash guards of all shapes and sizes, at various speeds and road conditions and a gazillion other factors. Then strip down the motorcycles to see what happened to their frames for obvious or microscopic fractures. Then buy another bunch of bikes and repeat without the sliders or crash bars.
lol, i do appreciate the high viz vest with the urban camo pants..
If you crash at any significant speed on road then your bike is likely toast anyway. The vast majority of drops happen at low speeds or stationary which is exactly what crash bars are for, preventing unnecessary damage to fragile parts.
Cyclecruza still doing the same old stupid content and recycled clips I see 😂
This is the 1st time I've heard the idea of using cheap Chinese plastics and saving the O.E.s for later. Excellent suggestion!
I was contemplating buying frame sliders to prevent my shifter or other parts breaking or bending when dropping the bike which could result in not being able to drive home but the arguments you make also make sense.
I would put them on adventure type bikes. Most of the spills are low speed when turning or stopping. In my opinion only careless riders spill it on the road. I’ve been riding since 1974 and I never crashed on the road, I only have spilled it in the dirt, ruts and sand mostly. Here in Pennsylvania, the only safety gear they require is glasses. That gets a lot of people killed. I love your emphasis on safety gear. I agree 100!
Technically you can bend your frame if your bike falls over while parked on the kickstand. Even w/out the sliders. However, I had factory Buell frame sliders on my XB12 SCG and had a low side where the frame was protected. Again these were factory frame sliders and bolted where the engine mounted.
when I take a turn I'll try turning the indicator off before I shift to a higher gear
why?
@@SuperrBludger because that's why
@@udubidub oh, because he left his indicator on. Gotcha. Context helps
@@SuperrBludger always
Had a crash the other month and my crash cage bent instead of the frame and saved the engine majorly while sliding the crash cage saved my bike from being a write-off you're so far off on this video
This is terrible information.
😂😂😂 This seems like an occasional angry 😡 comment without any context of why the information is bad lol
@@Suleku Thanks, Anime avatar. You are what we need in adults with snarky responses. Anime. Real cool.
@@clvrswine😂😂😂
They're only useful in really low-speed crashes because, in high-speed crashes, there's a chance that they can catch the ground and flip the bike causing more damage. It's just my personal opinion but I only think that they're useful on dedicated stunt bikes and msf course bikes.
Okay, that was exactly the point of the video. Lol
But I love your stuff . Keep up the good work.
The best marketer for the Hellite vest.
Spicy take my wigga.. I think they’re a good idea
That's actually something I never thought about. Good call
Some manufacturers offer crash protection as optional extras.
Merry Christmas CC 🎄🏍️🎅🏻
I hear you say rhe same thing in your other videos like change the fairing
well if you do stunt riding then you want frame bars but frame slider can make the frame bend if going fast and they catch in the road
Exactly.
Back in the day when I had them on my FZ6 they would crack the frame if you hit too hard. Since then I just leave it stock and try not to "Layyerdown" lol
On bikes with high center of gravity i will agree that is a possibility, but for bikes with low center of gravity this is very wrong on so many levels. Most frame sliders or crash bars are designed to prevent flip overs, mean they are designed to avoid getting caught in roads imperfections, so even if this is a possibility on high center of gravity bikes, it’s still highly unlikely.
I ride an older sports bike. 97 Kawasaki Ninja zx750r. I never put frame sliders on there. It might be useful for a small drop and things like that to protect the fairngs.
There for low speed stunting,if you crash at speed bikes junk anyway
thats not true at all
Non-sense, non English comment.
I don't recommend rear spools on the swingarm.
I think they are good for slow speed stuff if you go down on the highway I don’t think it matters…
Most people have more of a chance dropping the motorcycle at low speeds than crashing at 60mph
Not nit picking, really am not, but noticed a right turn signal staying on. I love the self-cancelling signals on my 48 and wish they were available for all the metric bikes!
If there isn't a turn signal on for at least half the video, it's not CycleCruza. The man desperately needs a self-canceling mod added to all his bikes. I love the self-cancelling on my new Nightster. Now, I have to be careful not to imitate our friend here when I ride my other bike.
Mine are old & no longer self cancel & I hate it when I realize my signal has been left on for a while like an old person 😂
I used to use shark skinz back in the day and zip ties for aftermarket fairings
Dude you're just wrong. I have factory accessory crash bars on my bike, and I've dropped it twice by the side of the road while trying to stop to take a picture. I'd have had to replace a ton of fairings, but instead I just had to fix hand guards.
You shouldn't admit that. No rider should tip a bike, ever, on the very smooth, safe, graded, soft, safe, made for everyone paved road. Pathetic.
@@clvrswinesuppose you've never had any sort of accident then? Pull your finger out of your ass
I had race rails on my 636 for years. They saved my bike a few times. Don't listen to this guy.
I been watching Mr Cruza fora decade, and I can say he is the smartest guy out there in motorcycle land, he will keep you kids safe out there on the streets, floow him, not the max wrist and other youtube idiots... take it from a 55 year old guy..
Crash Bars and Frame Sliders are not meant to protect your bike in a high speed crash. New Riders don't listen to this. I have seen many people's bikes protected in the event of an accidental tip over, or maybe you low side in a turn by accident. Low speed accidents happen more often to riders then you think and crash bars CAN save you a lot of money. If you lowside at high speeds your bike will likely flip over any way. Change the title and take out NEVER. Its Misleading. Safety courses use them for a reason.
Wrong!….Wrong!….Wrong! Have them on my Goldwing 1800. It’s a 900lb bike. Although they are factory equipment on the 1800’s they’ve saved my legs twice on a low speed slide. Plus it makes it easier to get bigger bikes upright after a fall/slide. Also as far as my Goldwing……….no scratches after a fall.
i mean, unless you're doing wheelies at speed, you're probably not gonna go down and flip it in a straight line
You are right man 🎉
I’m curious if you tweaked the the suspension on your Mt-07
Crash bar and Frame slider are a bit different don't you think? Since they have it exactly in name - Slider, made for sliding, usually some semi circle/oval shape. I see people already calling on your BS. Get a HD already!
Whatever. How bout YOU send this video to the twins at Twinstunts, sponsored by Yamaha, and then come back and tell your viewers what they said. You need to check your facts.
I’ve put frame slides on all my bikes that I’ve had and it saved my motor and frame
I stand by them
To each there own
But I love you videos, keep it up
WTF are farms slides? There own? Huh? Sober up, then comment.
@@clvrswine 🤣 funny guy obviously a type looks like you got no life other than to catch other people’s mistakes and comment about
Wow! Contrevercy! Anyway me I need to move to Ohio to look for those potholes that you are talking sbout.
Great insight, CycleCruza! I’ve always wondered about crash bars-your point about them possibly causing more harm than good really makes sense. Appreciate the advice and the detailed breakdown!
They save way more then they harm, trust the other commenters
No one, anywhere, ever calls them frame sliders. They are crash bars. Riding on the street takes zero, zero skill. Old ladies and children can ride a street bike. Boring.
They can total your frame too
Literally the worst advice ever!
I miss your full intro. my wife and I have sad faces at the beginning of your videos now. : (
🤣 Thanks for being a long time viewer, it has been a long time since I did a full intro.
@@CycleCruza We've been watching since your 2nd year brother! keep those videos rolling. and keep your rubber on the ground. / unless your pulling a wheely! lol /
2014 to 2020 mt09 tanks are metal and are worth almost 1/3 the whole bike nowadays if say your bikes worth close to 6 or 7 k but yea im pretty sure all the gen 3s and 4 with the the different motors and frames have tank covers nowadays mt07/mt09 like you ive owned both 🤷♂️
CC...you wear your space suit...why the hate?
Bros the reason why freedom of speech just shouldn’t be a real thing.😭😭😭😭
Mid take. Only applies for specific conditions.
Who wil get his new fearings of and replace them with chinese one, and call crash bars bad hahahahah, my head cant read you man
You need crash bars on your ego cause you’re taking a beating in the comment section!!!!!😳
Tbh main reason i have frame sliders is avtually just im case my stupid clumsy ass falls over or misses my kick stand, i cant tell you how many times my kick stand swings back and i dont notice.
If you stunt it's worth it...
Lol lol 😆 🤣 😂 crash bars are really good for lower than legal speeds . Cause Cycle Cruza would be correct on this subject . Sliders samething . Just like off rode crash bars, it's all low speeds . I've never seen in a 650 - or 1000 class race bikes with crash bars on them as well . Words to the wise don't buy what you can't afford will be a great help on your two wheel hobby .
tldr?
What is that?
TLDR dont listen to this video, invest in a quality set of frame and axle sliders for a just incase.
@@Genod3500 thats why i didn't want to listen to the video , cause i called it mostly BS , so i thought i'd get an TLDR cause i ain't going to listen to this much BS
hard disagree on this one
Lots of controversial opinions lately fr
You're a strange person CC.
You've gone to a lot of trouble to tell people not to use frame SLIDERS and CRASH BARS.
You don't have any legitimate information to state the things you have. None. Pure anecdotes. For all the "things I've seen" as you say, I can show you how many times sliders have saved a ton of motorcycle damages. So what?
Do you want to help the motorcycle community, or are you making these ill-informed non-researched, anecdotal videos so you can make Google money? That's selfish. Stop spreading nonsense data.
Only for stunt use? So you admit these cages do the job. But somehow they stop doing the job when speeds increase, and when you find a pothole? Comon man. Somehow a frame slider isn't about sliding, the delrin material just grabs everything and throws the bike? Comon man. It's your word against the engineering companies that actually put testing, studies, material science, and innovation in their products. But I guess everyone who buys that stuff is just suckers.
You know how popular naked bikes have gotten? THEY DON'T HAVE FAIRINGS! They have engine cases, frames, hard parts, axles, exhaust systems, tanks exposed to damage. That's not "cheap."
I don't know about you man, but a couple of delrin knobs scraping on the pavement instead of a whole frame, a tank, an exhaust system, bars.....which causes more friction and is more likely to flip the bike? Delrin? Or all those hard parts?
you've been very good at giving advise, but as a rider for 37 years, I have to respectfully disagree. I protect my bike, just as I protect myself.
*advice
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You begging
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Dont buy and dont drive a moto bike..
and u and ur wallet
will not be risked
being safe and happy..
and stay depressed, wait define happy?? lol
Then you miss out on all the fun!
Lol 🤣🤣🤣 Man what a pansy...
@@DarkendBlacklol That poor soul doesn't know the definition of it... I bet myself five bucks he's one of those dudes that would agree if his wife told him not to ride anything.. zero masculinity whatsoever 😅