3-71 Sir not 4-71. Later Oliver’s in Canada ( 1955s ) used a 4-53. The Cubic Inch size was exactly the same. However, the 4-53 gave out a little more Power. Fergieman
As a tractor puller I've seen too many people cut power to gain traction and lose Everytime,same goes for applying brake because of wheel spin,also too many variables
International has a torsion mount hitch that pulls down on the tractor you can see how it lurched ba k when he released the cluth and a torque amplifier transmission
The Oliver didn't stall, you can see that the operator backed off on the throttle to soon. I think it mostly came down to the size of the tire lugs and air pressure. But then you always have to try to avoid the soft spots in the track too.
Lot of variables here WOOOO. IM OLD school Detroit running pumps and cranes in the day big ole but now. Oliver was pulling her gas burning ass off. Gear ratio??? RPM. 5 feet is huge in a pull off
Looks like it came down to the wheel weights, air pressure in the tires and the International had taller lugs on the tires for grip. I'm assuming the 12,000 lbs is the weight of the sled and not the tractors.
4570; 12,000 lbs Is the upper weight limit that the tractor and added weight or ballast (including driver) can be, in a pulling class, There were exceptional stacks of weights on the rear axle to bring the 660 up to the weight.
Not the Detroits fault the tractor and driver weren't in tune for the pull. Fix the hop and leave the throttle at wot and things could have been different.
RUNNING AN DETROIT DIESEL , HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED ONE GEAR LOWER!! THE TORQUE BAND ON AN DETROIT DIESEL IS QUITE NARROW ,AND LOWER ENGINE SPEED IS LOST VERY QUICKLY!!
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Oily, I have to disagree regarding the 660, he may actually have been a bit too low, if it is too low you don't get traction at the center of the tire, there is a fine line,, but yes the Oliver was too much air.
@@oilypatch323 , I do. Something else I could have mentioned, also, is the condition of the "pack on the track", depending on how hard or loose it is & moisture content, air pressure is regulated for optimal grip for these "slow pulls" , now but the supermods, which I do not do, is another totally different animal !
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That Detroit didn't run out of power. Different tires, weight balance, something. I love them both.
Of course IH. ❤
The IH just chugged along to the finish line
IH proud!!!😊
If It Aint RED, Best Keep It In The SHED!
That 2 stroke would have pulled further if he would have stayed with it. They are both awesome tractor's..💪👍
Missed it, I bleed red but there's nothing like a Detroit Diesel.
Doesn't matter how much power it has if you can't stick it to the ground.
old red is still gettin it done.
The red one
Olivers were darn good tractors. But when it comes to pulling, always bet on IH
I would want a rematch
Maybe they should compare gas to gas and diesel to diesel
That Detroit sounds so much better than that binder Oliver hand's down that 4-71 sounded sweet
Pretty sure it's a 3/53 Detroit
3-71 Sir not 4-71. Later Oliver’s in Canada ( 1955s ) used a 4-53. The Cubic Inch size was exactly the same. However, the 4-53 gave out a little more Power.
Fergieman
****Run at optimal torque curve.
Old-school iron love watching them. In the field or out playing.
As a tractor puller I've seen too many people cut power to gain traction and lose Everytime,same goes for applying brake because of wheel spin,also too many variables
Every time 👍🇺🇸
My neighbor said they could make 900 square bales with a 660 ih on 5 gallons of diesel. That's all I know about them lol
Sounds like at a lower RPM too !
Both tractors tires have seen better days
I'm tired Boss! 😩
Good old International😅
First like and comment also love the vids
A buddy of mine always said a GM has no lugging ability this perfect demonstration once revolution came off top speed it fell on its face
Yeah and also the engine suffers from oil starvation when it's being lugged, it's a piece of shite.
Yet they sold a million + of them 2 stroke Yamahas! Must've been doing something right! @@PatrickBaptist
International has a torsion mount hitch that pulls down on the tractor you can see how it lurched ba k when he released the cluth and a torque amplifier transmission
I would have lost that bet; the GM is all top end, and no torque rise -
The Oliver didn't stall, you can see that the operator backed off on the throttle to soon. I think it mostly came down to the size of the tire lugs and air pressure. But then you always have to try to avoid the soft spots in the track too.
@@4570govt8 that may be true, but they still don't lug like a 4 cycle with more cubes. You have to keep rps up on a Jimmy
Lot of variables here WOOOO. IM OLD school Detroit running pumps and cranes in the day big ole but now. Oliver was pulling her gas burning ass off. Gear ratio??? RPM. 5 feet is huge in a pull off
I have that exact same wheel weight hanging on the frame. It is used on my 6’ blade for extra weight.
Never bet against the Farmall 😂😂😂
Looks like it came down to the wheel weights, air pressure in the tires and the International had taller lugs on the tires for grip. I'm assuming the 12,000 lbs is the weight of the sled and not the tractors.
Yeah, I think it was mainly the tyres (pressure being a big factor) and the driver that decided the winner here.
4570; 12,000 lbs Is the upper weight limit that the tractor and added weight or ballast (including driver) can be, in a pulling class, There were exceptional stacks of weights on the rear axle to bring the 660 up to the weight.
Oliver didn't have his hitch set right. Or it would have won
INTERNATIONAL LOOK LIKE IT HAD BETTER TIRES AND A BETTER DRIVER
Oliver should have stayed in it instead of backing out to gain traction. Broke loose anyways. Would have got a few more inches flat out..
Not the Detroits fault the tractor and driver weren't in tune for the pull. Fix the hop and leave the throttle at wot and things could have been different.
I guessed it. I have never been impressed with Oliver Tractors. That 2 stroke Detroit makes a ton rpm but not a ton of torque.
RUNNING AN DETROIT DIESEL , HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED ONE GEAR LOWER!!
THE TORQUE BAND ON AN DETROIT DIESEL IS QUITE NARROW ,AND LOWER ENGINE SPEED IS LOST VERY QUICKLY!!
I think that the international had a better operator
Of course the IH will beat the gutless/torqueless oliver that can't grunt, it suffered oil starvation and about had a stroke lol.
I'm tired Boss 😫
International
Tractor
WOW. That Guy On The Sled Sure Didn't Look Like He Weighed 1,200 Lbs. 😂😂😂😂😂...
😩😂😂🤣👍
660 had the same engine as a 560, but at stupid rpm.
True, the difference was the extra drop in the Final Drive.
Fergieman
Ih all day
Ah who cares
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Both will fall apart beforw they can complete their runs both represent poorest models produced by both companies
But yet neither did..... They both completed the run...
I'm tired Boss 😩 psssssh those tractor's will be running when you're not 🚫
These boys are both running way to much air in the rears. If they ran about 4psi they'd pull alot further
Oily, I have to disagree regarding the 660, he may actually have been a bit too low, if it is too low you don't get traction at the center of the tire, there is a fine line,, but yes the Oliver was too much air.
@@theda850two do you have pulling experience?
@@oilypatch323 , I do. Something else I could have mentioned, also, is the condition of the "pack on the track", depending on how hard or loose it is & moisture content, air pressure is regulated for optimal grip for these "slow pulls" , now but the supermods, which I do not do, is another totally different animal !