Your bass player wont hate you if you show up to practice with an 8 string guitar. He'll just show up next time with a 7 string bass and get all up in your frequencies. Problem solved.
@@tombstonejones9581 I've found that with my 8 string, tuned to EAEADGBE, that even though the lowest E sounds plenty low, if I'm going to play in a certain key where I want to reach lower to be harmonically correct. Sometimes that's just reaching down to D, sometimes I wish I could reach down all the way to the low B like on a 5 string Bass. It's not that the low E isn't heavy enough, it's more of a matter of making the guitar track match up perfectly with the key of the song. In that sense I've had the urge for a 9 string whenever that comes up lol
@@tombstonejones9581 actually I don’t like 8 string guitars. As a guitar player AND a baritone vocalist, I hate singing in E or even worse F#. A note feels way more comfortable and natural. Ever noticed that djent bands often have girlish-like vocalists with high voices? Or super low like Brojob? So 9 strings is what would work for me. But since those extremely low notes sound (subjectively) like garbage to me, I just stay with my 7 string guitar and I’m absolutely happy with that
Rob then:"8 things I love about 8 strings guitar" Rob now:"8 things I hate about 8 strings guitar' Rob next--after break up with the 8 strings guitar: "8 things I miss about the 8 strings guitar"
1. Doesn’t have a 9th string 2. Doesn’t have a 10th string 3. Doesn’t have a 11th string 4. Doesn’t have a 12th string 5. Doesn’t have a 13th string 6. Doesn’t have a 14th string 7. Doesn’t have a 15th string 8. Doesn’t have a 16th string
I don't have an 8 string but I do habe a 27 inch scale 7 string. And its so wierd having to play my les paul now because of the neck shape and the Paul has a 24 3/4 sale. I also habe a 25.5 inch scale 7 string which feels a lot better and conventional but ot needs new pickups so I can't okay it in an amp. Put if u okay a guitar with a strat scale length the 27 inch scale is way more easier to deal with imo.
I often switch back and forth between a knockoff les paul and my strandberg 8 string. Now that is something that will mess with you lol. The "les paul" has a skinnier neck, shorter scale length, and weighs a lot more. If I had to pick between the 2 I would never give up my strandberg though.
not only is it just genuinely nice for rob to talk about the downsides to 8 strings while selling an 8 string, it is really smart to warn people and avoid new players from splurging on an 8 string when they're not ready and prevent them from dropping the hobby early. it's also a great way for rob to sell 6 string guitars.
@@kronik5927 strings for my 6 string bass are over 60$ every time. I can end up spending hundreds on strings if I'm recording an album... you can get strings for around 40 bucks for a standard 6, but not for a multiscale
Shoutout to Ron Jackson, he plays 7 string in drop A for jazz, and offers loads of lessons for it. Fantastic stuff for a solo artist to play melody, basslines, and some super unique voicings!
Back in the day when all I've ever played was a 6 string, I was introduced to an 8 string and what they're capable of. So when I got the chance to go to guitar center, I found one and started playing it. Immediately I was blown away at how different it was and how unnatural it felt. After noodling with it, I decided it was too much and couldn't really get behind it. So then I picked up a 7 string and damn I fell in love. Now, 6-ish years later, I'll NEVER buy a 6 string again because there's no point. It was so natural to pick up a 7 going from 6. I did get the chance to pick up an 8 string after playing a 7 for years and it was new, and felt more natural, but it's still a bit too much for my taste. Maybe one day, but it seems like 7 strings is the sweet spot.
"In fact, if there is someone to use the 8 string to get chords and also get the bass notes at the bottom, maybe use some finger picking..." So basically Tosin Abasi.
Funny comment but just sayin I think his point was the "singer songwriter" kind of finger picking- not the super "metally" hardcore progressive kind that only a (at least currently) niche audience enjoys
@@DatHombre tosin does it all...just gotta find the songs. tempting time is one that has BOTH elements (prog/metal-ish + more traditional, almost folk-influenced). it was the song that SOLD me on him/AAL. and without jazz there would be no AAL.
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned Josh Martin of Little Tybee - He uses a 8-string guitar to play indie-folk fusion and has developed a lot of his own techniques for 8-string such as tapping whole triplets, and even techniques similar to Tosin Abasi's selective picking and string thumping. Definitely worth checking out their self titled album.
I appreciate him showcasing the ups and downs to 8-Strings. My only input is, as one who also frequently plays 8-String guitars as many others, the 8-String takes time to learn because of the wider low end. With enough time and patience, you'll eventually learn control. I personally don't have any issues doing the strumming stuff and jumping from string to string but that still took a lot of time to learn how to work around and with those lower strings. I personally love the 8-String and it's versatility. It just requires a lot of patience to learn
@@worhed3722 if they're not djent or math then what are they? If you're just gonna say they're progressive then you can reasonably say "well, they play hella low notes with complicated time signatures and polyrhythms and shit so they're djent"
Rob, thanks for these videos. I love my 8 string so much, it's gotten to the point where I feel completely lost without the low B and F# - although there are just so many variables with string gauges, scale lengths and construction across all types of guitars. They all sound different in some way. I absolutely love the 28" scale of my 8 string, and the crisp 9 gauge string gauge up to the massive 80 on the F#. You were one of my biggest inspirations to taking guitar seriously. Please keep on doing what you are doing!
The point about playing solo, I felt that in my soul. Story after my first notes, I don't play 8, I play 7 strings, but a lot still applies, from creativity, lack of educational material, no one tells you that hey, instead of having the bass knob mid, or a little back, to just roll it down to near nothing. One of my biggest obstacles, was tuning, I'm used to Baritone, but that means when I play in standard 7 string tuning, I stumble when I get to that F# string that's actually a G, so I tune them Baritone with an extra high string, but where I was going with that, The extra notes on the low end are a bonus, I don't worry too much, what I found that made it click for me, and made me fall in love with my 7 string... is having more note options in each position. So instead of 5th fret my low note being an A, it's an E now. I have those extra notes, every position, without shifting. Now to the story time. I've played a lot of solo material, and written that way, and I had started forgetting what it was really like to play with other people. Last year I got to work with a brilliant drummer that was just starting out. Absolutely had the best time making music with him, and that said, I can't thank you enough because it was your drum lesson/Tetris video that had brought us together to make music, Jonas was great. I miss him. Sincerely though thank you for inadvertently pointing me to the musical adventure I didn't know I needed.
All of these viewpoints and opinions are spot on. I was thinking about majority of them yesterday and especially how many solo artists there are now. Gotta dig in and find the jewel with an 8 string. I have some interesting ideas for it
I was listening to this in a background tab, I switch back to this tab and see Rob swinging back and forth on that swing. I did *not* expect that image!
As an 8 string player I can honestly say these are all pretty accurate. It’s my favorite guitar I’ve ever played, and I’ve played for over 25 years and own both 6 and 7 string guitars, but I’m not blind to its drawbacks.
As a 7 string player and an 8 string wanter I agree as well. I I like punchy sound of 7 and 8 which u can stil hear the lower notes cut a little bass out. Unless Your Animals As Leaders where I don't have a bass and the guitar player do both through percussion thumping.
I used to love 7 string guitars. AEADGBE made for some super crunchy barre chords and allowed for some cruncy dropped tuned riffs. Then I picked up somebody's G&L L2000 Tribute and felt a strong admiration for it. A light bulb later clicked on that I was filling in the low end that was missing from all the time I spent trying to get creative with my guitars and I bought my first bass. Sold all my guitars and pretty much control the rhythm section in the ideological band I want to create.
When I first started at going to a 9 after I finally went to a 7 (8 is definitely my sweet spot) but for people that might need a direction, it’s all about how you look at the guitar itself, whether it’s just jamming or songwriting. And what I mean is do you tend to look at it from high to low or low to high when it comes to chord structures. After I got a feel and fell into my groove, I noticed for more melodic rhythms, I’d automatically start looking at more of the high registry like a standard 6 (same with leads/solos). And when I just wanted to groove and play in that more “djent” percussive style, the low end became a fresh new feel. It’s definitely not for everyone, but trust me when I say, “DONT GIVE UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY” everything has a natural learning curve, just make sure you don’t forget to have fun while doing so.
I’m just appreciating how hard you worked on a internet top choice content video. I usually don’t make it through those, but the transitions and the edits were top notch. Lol
I bought my 7 string guitar. It took me whole month everyday practice before until I felt comfortable. I played six string guitar so adapting to seven strings was all about getting used to it. I didn't touch six string guitar for over a month. But I love it now. it's much better tuning low on 7 strings because I DONT have to tune (two whole steps and HALF DOWN lower) (Tuning open E string down to low B) I had to adjust on six string and sacrifice higher notes because low tuning. Plus my 7 string 24 frets which blows away my squire strat at 21 frets. .The lowest I tune on seven string is whole step maybe, low B to drop A I was tired o:f tuning low on six strings adjusting. What difference does it make if people ask why you play 8 strings. If you can't play eight strings comfortably I see why people would question you. I would NEVER suggest someone playing a live show on a 7, 8 string guitar if they play 6 strings. If you buy 7 or 8 string guitar make sure you have lots of spare time to get used to it. It took me whole month everyday maybe I'm little slow. After two weeks I felt comfortable but still lost where I was at on fret board. Even though the low B string is same NOTES as the 2nd B string high B string. I still had to get used by feel..
I enjoyed this. Great job. Has anyone else noticed a rise in 10-string classical guitarists (or is it just my YT recommendations)? I think that may end up being an analogue to the 8-string electric movement.
id love a behind the scenes on the transistions for this vid, mainly for the shot where you fall onto the dryer, i watched that one part like 6 times in a row trying to figure out how that could of been set up. its very good!
5:00 One of the things I like the most about the 8 string is the versatility it offers when playing in a group, it allows me to play along with the guitar, the bass, and the drums simultaneously or independently. For me, it doesn't result in any issue with the bass player since that's usually me. When playing with two bassists you have to play differently so you don't step on each other, this may involve passing the bass line back and forth and or switching up your roll in the song. Metal is an example of a genre that both succeeds and fails at this. A lot of metal is well synchronized and choreographed so the instruments all blend into one tone unless soloing or a passing the melody around. The benefit is that nobody is clashing even though there are 3 sources of bass, but the downside is that often you can't distinguish between those sources of sound. I find this issue is almost exclusive to metal as no other genre regularly uses that level of bass and distortion on top of highly technical playing. I do understand what you're saying though, the super fun, all cards out, technical playing that the 8-string lends itself to is not ideal for playing with others.
Well you can hook up with the bassist by playing different beats in a bar for example (guitar plays 1 and 2 and bass plays 3 and 4 for example), there are tons of ways to fit them together
1) Pickups have to be made for tighter sound so that the low 8 string isnt muddy. But higher strings can be too ice picky or too tight because of that 2) 8strings have longer scale lenght - your fingers have to stretch more and it also changes the attack of the strings (sounds more like a piano)
@@sharko3211 I'm assuming he's the kind of person to say that bass players aren't as skilled musician because they "can't handle" more than four strings lol
A piano has upwards of 88 strings, with added multicoursed strings of the same tuning. I think more is useful, likely a technique with a thumbpick and finger-style chord playing is the best way to approach adapting to it- which is what I've seen some players do already. There's a really impressive 8-string player named Josh Martin who goes by Koalanights who uses finger-style to great effect. He plays in a band named Little Tybee
I use drop tuning on a 6 string and it works great because there are a lot of big bar chords you can use. I wonder if tuning an 8 string differently would make strumming all strings more manageable and melodic.
So happy for you that you are sponsored by Schecter, them and ESP are my favorites and you are really knowledgeable. I had never come across your channel until I saw your 8 string sig. personally I think multi scale is the way to go for 8, the difference between the lowest and highest string in terms of scale lengths needed is to great in my opinion and the individual length assigned to each string I feel gives the best results. I had an 8 string with a 28 scale length and the stretch was a bit to much to play fast while maintaining relaxation in my hand.
One thing someone said to me was "Why have extra base notes when you can have extra treble." And that kind of opened up my mind to the possibilities of 7 and 8 string guitars.
Mate, thanks so much for this vid. Super informative and down to earth.. I haven't played an 8 string guitar but am on the verge of getting one.. This helped me make my mind up :)
Glad to see those Corey Taylor clips again I think these two videos on the pros and cons have pretty much confirmed 7 strings instead of 6 or 8 for me. For the music i play, it's just more appropriate.
I never realized how hard it was to find a band where everyone wants to use this, I finally found one where I have an 8, the other guitarist has a 9, and the bassist has a subcontra bass and I’m super excited to get to go that low
You'll never read this Rob, but... man, this is why I kinda stopped playing my 8 string. A 7 is like... okay, I have a few extra notes and one extra string, whatever. But an 8 string reaches down far enough that it breaks a lot of things. You're exactly right - people just don't know how to best handle it yet. If I were 20 and was working part time, maybe. But, in my mid-30's, with a kid, a wife, a dog, a mortgage, my own business, etc., without a full-time career in music, there just isn't 8 hours a day to devote to figuring out the intricacies of having an extra octave and what it can do for my music projects. I really do think it'll be something really awesome as more and more material comes out that isn't all metal (or Charlie Hunter), but... until then, I'm really thinking about selling my 8 string.
I play a 6 string bass and I gotta say, it's BEAUTIFUL. The deterrents are real, but pretty negligible if you want something like this (And yes, I recognize that guitar is very different. Haha)
Man, I REALLY miss playing with other musicians too. For me as a bass player, I expanded my range to accompany the lower tuned guitars by getting 5 and 6 string basses. It was a bit of a struggle at first, similar to what you are saying about the 8 string, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really like the 6 string bass. Enough that I got a second one 😁
I am a beginner, started just 4 months ago, but could not resist buying a 7 and 8 strings guitar. I now own a PRS Holcomb-7 and an Hellraiser-8 along with a standard Strat. I love all of them. The PRS is absolutely a monster but I needed something a little louder.
LOL Actually I wrote it before so here we go again: My extremely short fingers hate 7 and 8-string guitars, especially 2-inch pinky. Well, even 6-string guitar is difficult to play in some positions :D
Well... I've never had an 8-string guitar (nor even 7-string guitar) but this made me think: 1) What if 8-strings guitars had a separate jack for low strings to "expand" the sound's possibilities? 2) Being unable to do strumming, wouldn't be an opportunity to experiment with new tuning that enables to do that (I'm thinking like Robert Fripp's New Standard Tuning). 3) I coul think 8-strings guitar as a piano-like composer, where now, guitarist can "think" musically sharing tonal range of the bass (and not only focusing in the middle-high and high notes). 4) How it would sound in other non-metal genres? I could rapidly think about jazz and combination of chords, inversions, two-part voicing, etc... (Or even Bach compositions for lute)
Lol Rob holding back the laughs, managing to keep it together when attempting to give a piece to camera over toilet still flushing @4:38 Something about seeing a person is holding back laughs that makes things funnier.
You have to tune 2 more strings but since it's a more expensive guitar the tuners don't lose their tuning as fast so you don't have to tune it as often.
@@MediHusky I have a guitar that never goes out of tune and it has the cheapest tuners i ever experienced, like one twist can drop or raise it a whole step, so this idea that bad tuner give tuning issues i dont think is true, something else is going on, maybe the nut, or just the angles of the design. I didnt give this much thought until a youtuber mentioned the same things about his Dean guitar, having the worst tuners, but once you get it in tune it stays in tune he said. Had the exact same experience with my Tokai Love Rock.
I'd like to see some acoustic 7 or 8 string guitars. Maybe that doesn't make sense to some people but I think it might really work with some finger picking and doing some more complex bass lines.
I had an 8 string for a while. Felt good to play, sounded great, but I suffered from #8: too many options. I just couldn't write music with the damn thing. I'd pick it up and play some ambient clean stuff and the odd Meshuggah cover and that was it. Sold it in mint condition, which I'm sure happens a lot.
8 strings are a beautiful thing buuuut I’ll never let go of my 7 string pride. Just strikes the perfect balance of range and tone :) Edit: you talking about 8 strings being a big part of the future is something I stand behind fully. I’m upset about the novelty aspect. It’s just about people who play the open notes to DJ0NT instead of using it like the handheld piano it truly is.
I quit 8-string after I played mine in an awkward position for too long, didn't realize I was hurting myself (didn't hurt at the time) and ended up with some permanent nerve/tendon damage in my left wrist. Still can't bend it too far or it hurts, and still can't lift anything overly heavy with it, though I've been slowly rehabilitating it over the past year and a half. And no, it wasn't just simple carpal tunnel that can be fixed with a wrist splint or surgery like I was initially hoping, after I got it checked out by multiple hand/wrist specialists.
Your bass player wont hate you if you show up to practice with an 8 string guitar. He'll just show up next time with a 7 string bass and get all up in your frequencies. Problem solved.
The bass player won’t just come next time lol
@@AzathothsAlarmClock What's the point of a 9 string?
@@tombstonejones9581 I've found that with my 8 string, tuned to EAEADGBE, that even though the lowest E sounds plenty low, if I'm going to play in a certain key where I want to reach lower to be harmonically correct. Sometimes that's just reaching down to D, sometimes I wish I could reach down all the way to the low B like on a 5 string Bass. It's not that the low E isn't heavy enough, it's more of a matter of making the guitar track match up perfectly with the key of the song. In that sense I've had the urge for a 9 string whenever that comes up lol
@@tombstonejones9581 actually I don’t like 8 string guitars. As a guitar player AND a baritone vocalist, I hate singing in E or even worse F#. A note feels way more comfortable and natural. Ever noticed that djent bands often have girlish-like vocalists with high voices? Or super low like Brojob?
So 9 strings is what would work for me.
But since those extremely low notes sound (subjectively) like garbage to me, I just stay with my 7 string guitar and I’m absolutely happy with that
This arms race sounds like it will lead to the 8 string baritone guitar
Rob then:"8 things I love about 8 strings guitar"
Rob now:"8 things I hate about 8 strings guitar'
Rob next--after break up with the 8 strings guitar: "8 things I miss about the 8 strings guitar"
1) string one
2) string two
3) string three
4) string four
5) string five
6) string six
7) string seven
8) string eight
@@conlangknow8787 String two... so many memories
@@conlangknow8787 yeah all I can think of is 8 low f strings being 8 good reasons
I hate to be that guy, but: the g string
It's called Bipolar Disorder lmfao
1. Doesn’t have a 9th string
2. Doesn’t have a 10th string
3. Doesn’t have a 11th string
4. Doesn’t have a 12th string
5. Doesn’t have a 13th string
6. Doesn’t have a 14th string
7. Doesn’t have a 15th string
8. Doesn’t have a 16th string
13th*
@@Magma-33 I hope you're joking....
Are you Jared Dines in secret?
Yes!
@@is_and
*elevenst
*twelvand
*thirteenird
doesn't sound like a joke to me
Pros: Djent
Cons: Djent
Djent can never be a con.
Peerless index finger strength from doing those 010s on your low string lmao
LOL
That's fair.
@@junglefett Djent also can never be a pro
Pros: Nobody can play your guitar normally
Cons: Neither do you
@4662698able I mean he’s not wrong
@4662698able Yep, that's the name of a band alright!
So, there is the risk that Corey Taylor borrows your 8 string without giving it back?
That's why Slipknot stick to 6 strings
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!
@Balmung Barbossa I know that they play 6 strings guitars, tuned in drop B or drop A
@@alexanderd.f.157 they have some drop F# riffs too
@@VasKurtas I need to update my Slipknot informations then :)
@Balmung Barbossa they probably played 7 in the early days, when 7 string guitars were popular
You never realise how comfortable 6-string guitars are until you play an 8-string for a while
I don't have an 8 string but I do habe a 27 inch scale 7 string. And its so wierd having to play my les paul now because of the neck shape and the Paul has a 24 3/4 sale. I also habe a 25.5 inch scale 7 string which feels a lot better and conventional but ot needs new pickups so I can't okay it in an amp. Put if u okay a guitar with a strat scale length the 27 inch scale is way more easier to deal with imo.
4 string bass: hello
I'm the opposite. I've been playing 8 string since 2012 and 6 strings just feels small now. I cant really play anything without overshooting on a 6
Tbh I find my kiesel Zeus 8 more comfortable than most 6 strings
I often switch back and forth between a knockoff les paul and my strandberg 8 string. Now that is something that will mess with you lol. The "les paul" has a skinnier neck, shorter scale length, and weighs a lot more. If I had to pick between the 2 I would never give up my strandberg though.
not only is it just genuinely nice for rob to talk about the downsides to 8 strings while selling an 8 string, it is really smart to warn people and avoid new players from splurging on an 8 string when they're not ready and prevent them from dropping the hobby early. it's also a great way for rob to sell 6 string guitars.
Also, 8 strings packs are so expensive!
A single bass string can cost as much as six string set, so I am not surprised
Nooooo
I'd rather buy strings for my 8er than my 10er. I paid almost $40 for a custom set of strings for my 10.
@@kronik5927 strings for my 6 string bass are over 60$ every time. I can end up spending hundreds on strings if I'm recording an album... you can get strings for around 40 bucks for a standard 6, but not for a multiscale
you can also find 7 string sets for like 5 bucks and just buy a single for the 8th... it's really not that bad
Shit I was *not* expecting Corey at the end. Coffee went all over.
That’s from the psychosocial banjo cover video
@@RyderHaas No its not. The part where he says how many strings you got like 14? Thats from the banjo cover
@@jii-ro7083 I mean it is from that time and not recorded recently
@@RyderHaas i swear coreys hair is longer in the second clip?
@@suddenswarm5944 it is
_8 Things I h8 about 8-string Guitars_ should have been the title :D
waht is up BLACKERS
in 8 minutes
8 things I h8 about 8 strings in 8 minutes
@vibhav kk777 Batushka would agree to that.
Let’s find out
Love those transitions. And the place of the shoot looks so cool. Looking forward to checking out the music video man. Best of luck!
the music video is already out.
Yes
Lie make understanding Jonathan Davis
why is this top comment
@@johnhedgefield1530 cuz lie likes music is a legend
Morning, Rob!
I just finished watching your video!😂
Obligatory "Fuck you, Glenn!"
Where can i watch full video with Corey?
😻
88 things I hate about 88 strings guitar also called "piano"
A piano has over 200 strings
@@DarkandBroody thank you for the correction didn't know that
@@Terasiax the higher notes use 3 strings per key and that reduces down to 2 and eventually just 1 string per key as the notes get lower
@@DarkandBroody yees them low tones do be more resonant
That would actually be more like 264 strings. 3 per key.
Shoutout to Ron Jackson, he plays 7 string in drop A for jazz, and offers loads of lessons for it. Fantastic stuff for a solo artist to play melody, basslines, and some super unique voicings!
3:24
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Back in the day when all I've ever played was a 6 string, I was introduced to an 8 string and what they're capable of. So when I got the chance to go to guitar center, I found one and started playing it. Immediately I was blown away at how different it was and how unnatural it felt. After noodling with it, I decided it was too much and couldn't really get behind it. So then I picked up a 7 string and damn I fell in love. Now, 6-ish years later, I'll NEVER buy a 6 string again because there's no point. It was so natural to pick up a 7 going from 6. I did get the chance to pick up an 8 string after playing a 7 for years and it was new, and felt more natural, but it's still a bit too much for my taste. Maybe one day, but it seems like 7 strings is the sweet spot.
"In fact, if there is someone to use the 8 string to get chords and also get the bass notes at the bottom, maybe use some finger picking..."
So basically Tosin Abasi.
Funny comment but just sayin I think his point was the "singer songwriter" kind of finger picking- not the super "metally" hardcore progressive kind that only a (at least currently) niche audience enjoys
Basically Javier Reyes
John Pizzarelli does this already in jazz. However with a 7 not 8
@@DatHombre tosin does it all...just gotta find the songs. tempting time is one that has BOTH elements (prog/metal-ish + more traditional, almost folk-influenced). it was the song that SOLD me on him/AAL. and without jazz there would be no AAL.
@@ignoblesavage5559 I would love to hear Tosin sing, especially since they barely talk on stage, that would be amazing XD
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned Josh Martin of Little Tybee - He uses a 8-string guitar to play indie-folk fusion and has developed a lot of his own techniques for 8-string such as tapping whole triplets, and even techniques similar to Tosin Abasi's selective picking and string thumping. Definitely worth checking out their self titled album.
lol hilarious cameo by Corey
I appreciate him showcasing the ups and downs to 8-Strings. My only input is, as one who also frequently plays 8-String guitars as many others, the 8-String takes time to learn because of the wider low end. With enough time and patience, you'll eventually learn control. I personally don't have any issues doing the strumming stuff and jumping from string to string but that still took a lot of time to learn how to work around and with those lower strings. I personally love the 8-String and it's versatility. It just requires a lot of patience to learn
Biggest artist in the guitar world, that fully utilizes 8 string chordal and finger picking techniques, that's why god made Tosin Abasi
Or dean lamb
@@worhed3722 Gotta love Archspire
@Balmung Barbossa well animals as leaders arent a djent or a math band so....?
@Balmung Barbossa umm nope
@@worhed3722 if they're not djent or math then what are they? If you're just gonna say they're progressive then you can reasonably say "well, they play hella low notes with complicated time signatures and polyrhythms and shit so they're djent"
That bit with Corey gets me every time.
Cant wait for Davie to do this with his 36 string
1. *M O R E S L A P*
All the reasons are slap
That’s cute I have a 200 string guitar with a Floyd rose
Rob, thanks for these videos. I love my 8 string so much, it's gotten to the point where I feel completely lost without the low B and F# - although there are just so many variables with string gauges, scale lengths and construction across all types of guitars. They all sound different in some way. I absolutely love the 28" scale of my 8 string, and the crisp 9 gauge string gauge up to the massive 80 on the F#. You were one of my biggest inspirations to taking guitar seriously. Please keep on doing what you are doing!
Rob’s just showing off how beautiful his set is.
The point about playing solo, I felt that in my soul. Story after my first notes, I don't play 8, I play 7 strings, but a lot still applies, from creativity, lack of educational material, no one tells you that hey, instead of having the bass knob mid, or a little back, to just roll it down to near nothing.
One of my biggest obstacles, was tuning, I'm used to Baritone, but that means when I play in standard 7 string tuning, I stumble when I get to that F# string that's actually a G, so I tune them Baritone with an extra high string, but where I was going with that, The extra notes on the low end are a bonus, I don't worry too much, what I found that made it click for me, and made me fall in love with my 7 string... is having more note options in each position. So instead of 5th fret my low note being an A, it's an E now. I have those extra notes, every position, without shifting.
Now to the story time. I've played a lot of solo material, and written that way, and I had started forgetting what it was really like to play with other people. Last year I got to work with a brilliant drummer that was just starting out. Absolutely had the best time making music with him, and that said, I can't thank you enough because it was your drum lesson/Tetris video that had brought us together to make music, Jonas was great. I miss him. Sincerely though thank you for inadvertently pointing me to the musical adventure I didn't know I needed.
All of these viewpoints and opinions are spot on. I was thinking about majority of them yesterday and especially how many solo artists there are now. Gotta dig in and find the jewel with an 8 string. I have some interesting ideas for it
I was listening to this in a background tab, I switch back to this tab and see Rob swinging back and forth on that swing. I did *not* expect that image!
I love this style of video. Be cool if you make more like this from time to time.
As an 8 string player I can honestly say these are all pretty accurate. It’s my favorite guitar I’ve ever played, and I’ve played for over 25 years and own both 6 and 7 string guitars, but I’m not blind to its drawbacks.
3:04 Thank you man! I play bass and I agree! You should let the bassist fill the bass.
As a 7 string player and an 8 string wanter I agree as well. I I like punchy sound of 7 and 8 which u can stil hear the lower notes cut a little bass out. Unless Your Animals As Leaders where I don't have a bass and the guitar player do both through percussion thumping.
@@ooferrell I agree with that :)
Best part is when you crushed on the box and quenched your OUCH a lil, luvly to watch! Thank you inifinitely for sharing your XP!
3:21 I cried...
I used to love 7 string guitars. AEADGBE made for some super crunchy barre chords and allowed for some cruncy dropped tuned riffs. Then I picked up somebody's G&L L2000 Tribute and felt a strong admiration for it. A light bulb later clicked on that I was filling in the low end that was missing from all the time I spent trying to get creative with my guitars and I bought my first bass. Sold all my guitars and pretty much control the rhythm section in the ideological band I want to create.
I love those corey taylor snippets :D
They're pure gold 😜
When I first started at going to a 9 after I finally went to a 7 (8 is definitely my sweet spot) but for people that might need a direction, it’s all about how you look at the guitar itself, whether it’s just jamming or songwriting. And what I mean is do you tend to look at it from high to low or low to high when it comes to chord structures. After I got a feel and fell into my groove, I noticed for more melodic rhythms, I’d automatically start looking at more of the high registry like a standard 6 (same with leads/solos). And when I just wanted to groove and play in that more “djent” percussive style, the low end became a fresh new feel. It’s definitely not for everyone, but trust me when I say, “DONT GIVE UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY” everything has a natural learning curve, just make sure you don’t forget to have fun while doing so.
What are your thoughts on 7 string guitars?
I’m just appreciating how hard you worked on a internet top choice content video. I usually don’t make it through those, but the transitions and the edits were top notch. Lol
was having a bad day til i saw rob uploaded a new video
I bought my 7 string guitar. It took me whole month everyday practice before until I felt comfortable. I played six string guitar so adapting to seven strings was all about getting used to it. I didn't touch six string guitar for over a month. But I love it now. it's much better tuning low on 7 strings because I DONT have to tune (two whole steps and HALF DOWN lower) (Tuning open E string down to low B) I had to adjust on six string and sacrifice higher notes because low tuning. Plus my 7 string 24 frets which blows away my squire strat at 21 frets. .The lowest I tune on seven string is whole step maybe, low B to drop A I was tired o:f tuning low on six strings adjusting. What difference does it make if people ask why you play 8 strings. If you can't play eight strings comfortably I see why people would question you. I would NEVER suggest someone playing a live show on a 7, 8 string guitar if they play 6 strings. If you buy 7 or 8 string guitar make sure you have lots of spare time to get used to it. It took me whole month everyday maybe I'm little slow. After two weeks I felt comfortable but still lost where I was at on fret board. Even though the low B string is same NOTES as the 2nd B string high B string. I still had to get used by feel..
I enjoyed this. Great job. Has anyone else noticed a rise in 10-string classical guitarists (or is it just my YT recommendations)? I think that may end up being an analogue to the 8-string electric movement.
id love a behind the scenes on the transistions for this vid, mainly for the shot where you fall onto the dryer, i watched that one part like 6 times in a row trying to figure out how that could of been set up. its very good!
Going to upload all those falling on the laundry machine takes to the 2nd channel soon :)
i love how he always put a lot of effort even for a simple video
Road map is what I'm missing...but everytime I pick up my 8-string it puts a smile on my face.
despite the pros and cons, even though i want to buy an 8 string i still cant afford it hah
5:00 One of the things I like the most about the 8 string is the versatility it offers when playing in a group, it allows me to play along with the guitar, the bass, and the drums simultaneously or independently. For me, it doesn't result in any issue with the bass player since that's usually me. When playing with two bassists you have to play differently so you don't step on each other, this may involve passing the bass line back and forth and or switching up your roll in the song. Metal is an example of a genre that both succeeds and fails at this. A lot of metal is well synchronized and choreographed so the instruments all blend into one tone unless soloing or a passing the melody around. The benefit is that nobody is clashing even though there are 3 sources of bass, but the downside is that often you can't distinguish between those sources of sound. I find this issue is almost exclusive to metal as no other genre regularly uses that level of bass and distortion on top of highly technical playing. I do understand what you're saying though, the super fun, all cards out, technical playing that the 8-string lends itself to is not ideal for playing with others.
Well you can hook up with the bassist by playing different beats in a bar for example (guitar plays 1 and 2 and bass plays 3 and 4 for example), there are tons of ways to fit them together
maybe he doesnt know Tosin Abasi exists
1) Pickups have to be made for tighter sound so that the low 8 string isnt muddy. But higher strings can be too ice picky or too tight because of that
2) 8strings have longer scale lenght - your fingers have to stretch more and it also changes the attack of the strings (sounds more like a piano)
I keep forgetting Corey Taylor can play. Lol Love how you got him in some of your videos.
I'm still in love with this room
"ToO mAnY StrInGs"-my music teacher
same bro... he said that about 7 string guitars and 5 string basses and i'm just like bruh i wanna play deathcore wdym
@@spargelbob like you will never understand mr music teacher
My dad says the same thing to anything that doesn’t have 6 strings and says too little for anything less than 6
@@sharko3211 I'm assuming he's the kind of person to say that bass players aren't as skilled musician because they "can't handle" more than four strings lol
Too many notes, too many notes...
A piano has upwards of 88 strings, with added multicoursed strings of the same tuning. I think more is useful, likely a technique with a thumbpick and finger-style chord playing is the best way to approach adapting to it- which is what I've seen some players do already. There's a really impressive 8-string player named Josh Martin who goes by Koalanights who uses finger-style to great effect. He plays in a band named Little Tybee
I use drop tuning on a 6 string and it works great because there are a lot of big bar chords you can use. I wonder if tuning an 8 string differently would make strumming all strings more manageable and melodic.
Been many years and you keep being amazing.. never stop doing what you do ! And that last clip was gold
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So happy for you that you are sponsored by Schecter, them and ESP are my favorites and you are really knowledgeable. I had never come across your channel until I saw your 8 string sig. personally I think multi scale is the way to go for 8, the difference between the lowest and highest string in terms of scale lengths needed is to great in my opinion and the individual length assigned to each string I feel gives the best results. I had an 8 string with a 28 scale length and the stretch was a bit to much to play fast while maintaining relaxation in my hand.
That tire swing got my like lol. Great vid tho
Those transitions in both of the 8-String Video are next level for sure.
Wow totally didn't expect this...
Appreciate the honesty. Really cool for a guy with a signature model to pjt out this video!
And cool fuuny cuts!!
Rob Scallon, the guitar lord
One thing someone said to me was "Why have extra base notes when you can have extra treble." And that kind of opened up my mind to the possibilities of 7 and 8 string guitars.
I feel like the artist doing the best work on 8 Strings today has got to be Ihsahn.
Probably because he's not playing djent with them. lmao
Mate, thanks so much for this vid. Super informative and down to earth.. I haven't played an 8 string guitar but am on the verge of getting one.. This helped me make my mind up :)
“#1: the E string. #2: the A string. #3: the D string…”
Glad to see those Corey Taylor clips again
I think these two videos on the pros and cons have pretty much confirmed 7 strings instead of 6 or 8 for me. For the music i play, it's just more appropriate.
I never realized how hard it was to find a band where everyone wants to use this, I finally found one where I have an 8, the other guitarist has a 9, and the bassist has a subcontra bass and I’m super excited to get to go that low
I pity everyone who has to listen to you.
@@SamBrockmannImagine restricting your fun in making music by things random people you don’t know want
@@soups8146 , imagine not realizing why it's a problem playing super low.
@@SamBrockmannmaybe if they're listening on, like, raycons or something
@@paisleepunk , lolwut
You'll never read this Rob, but... man, this is why I kinda stopped playing my 8 string. A 7 is like... okay, I have a few extra notes and one extra string, whatever. But an 8 string reaches down far enough that it breaks a lot of things. You're exactly right - people just don't know how to best handle it yet. If I were 20 and was working part time, maybe. But, in my mid-30's, with a kid, a wife, a dog, a mortgage, my own business, etc., without a full-time career in music, there just isn't 8 hours a day to devote to figuring out the intricacies of having an extra octave and what it can do for my music projects.
I really do think it'll be something really awesome as more and more material comes out that isn't all metal (or Charlie Hunter), but... until then, I'm really thinking about selling my 8 string.
I play a 6 string bass and I gotta say, it's BEAUTIFUL. The deterrents are real, but pretty negligible if you want something like this
(And yes, I recognize that guitar is very different. Haha)
I love your transitions! thank you for the extra effort.
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Davie504 shouldn't see this part, otherwise you'll be in a real problem Rob! He's gonna give you a hard time!
Man, I REALLY miss playing with other musicians too. For me as a bass player, I expanded my range to accompany the lower tuned guitars by getting 5 and 6 string basses. It was a bit of a struggle at first, similar to what you are saying about the 8 string, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really like the 6 string bass. Enough that I got a second one 😁
2:20 is my favourite collab part
I have enough trouble with 6 but anything that inspires you to pick a guitar up and experiment and learn something is a damn good thing.
He was allowed to shout at Corey and didn't die, what a unit
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I am a beginner, started just 4 months ago, but could not resist buying a 7 and 8 strings guitar. I now own a PRS Holcomb-7 and an Hellraiser-8 along with a standard Strat. I love all of them. The PRS is absolutely a monster but I needed something a little louder.
LOL Actually I wrote it before so here we go again: My extremely short fingers hate 7 and 8-string guitars, especially 2-inch pinky.
Well, even 6-string guitar is difficult to play in some positions :D
Well... I've never had an 8-string guitar (nor even 7-string guitar) but this made me think:
1) What if 8-strings guitars had a separate jack for low strings to "expand" the sound's possibilities?
2) Being unable to do strumming, wouldn't be an opportunity to experiment with new tuning that enables to do that (I'm thinking like Robert Fripp's New Standard Tuning).
3) I coul think 8-strings guitar as a piano-like composer, where now, guitarist can "think" musically sharing tonal range of the bass (and not only focusing in the middle-high and high notes).
4) How it would sound in other non-metal genres? I could rapidly think about jazz and combination of chords, inversions, two-part voicing, etc... (Or even Bach compositions for lute)
TLDR: There's more strings
Regarding number 8; one of my favorite quotes on creativity comes from Orson Welles.
"The lack of limitations is the enemy of art"
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just glad you uploading again♥️
Don’t just ignore that hat situation.
Shave it off Rob, you'll look epic
Lol Rob holding back the laughs, managing to keep it together when attempting to give a piece to camera over toilet still flushing @4:38
Something about seeing a person is holding back laughs that makes things funnier.
why your whole room has white "missing texture" texture.
My heart dropped just as fast as your guitar did in that transition lmao
so you're friends with Corey Taylor now. Sick
So much flex in this video. And i love it!
Can't wait for the new video.
8 strings, 8 things, 8 minutes... and 12 seconds😂
Can't wait for "8 things I'm aggressively indifferent towards about the 8 string"
The fact that:
it weighs slightly more
it is made of the same material as your 6-string
the bass player quit the band 💀😂
(Needs 7 more)
You have to tune 2 more strings but since it's a more expensive guitar the tuners don't lose their tuning as fast so you don't have to tune it as often.
@@MediHusky I have a guitar that never goes out of tune and it has the cheapest tuners i ever experienced, like one twist can drop or raise it a whole step, so this idea that bad tuner give tuning issues i dont think is true, something else is going on, maybe the nut, or just the angles of the design. I didnt give this much thought until a youtuber mentioned the same things about his Dean guitar, having the worst tuners, but once you get it in tune it stays in tune he said. Had the exact same experience with my Tokai Love Rock.
@@mikejones-vd3fg I know what you mean. There's a difference between a tuner with good action and feel, and a tuner that actually holds it's tune.
I'd like to see some acoustic 7 or 8 string guitars. Maybe that doesn't make sense to some people but I think it might really work with some finger picking and doing some more complex bass lines.
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I play 7 string fretless bass...not intimidated at all....the more strings on anything the merrier.....good job Rob....👍
How did Rob grow his hair back?
Probably a mixture of finasteride, anti androgen shampoo, and possibly some chemical intervention such as RU.
I had an 8 string for a while. Felt good to play, sounded great, but I suffered from #8: too many options. I just couldn't write music with the damn thing. I'd pick it up and play some ambient clean stuff and the odd Meshuggah cover and that was it. Sold it in mint condition, which I'm sure happens a lot.
For some reason my 8-string is smaller and a lot more high pitched
Is it a mandolin
How many strings does it have
@@icetea8780 yes, welcome to the joke
8 strings are a beautiful thing buuuut I’ll never let go of my 7 string pride. Just strikes the perfect balance of range and tone :)
Edit: you talking about 8 strings being a big part of the future is something I stand behind fully. I’m upset about the novelty aspect. It’s just about people who play the open notes to DJ0NT instead of using it like the handheld piano it truly is.
Next video : 8 things about 8 strings that I am neutral with
*YES*
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I quit 8-string after I played mine in an awkward position for too long, didn't realize I was hurting myself (didn't hurt at the time) and ended up with some permanent nerve/tendon damage in my left wrist. Still can't bend it too far or it hurts, and still can't lift anything overly heavy with it, though I've been slowly rehabilitating it over the past year and a half. And no, it wasn't just simple carpal tunnel that can be fixed with a wrist splint or surgery like I was initially hoping, after I got it checked out by multiple hand/wrist specialists.