Those Annoying Paper Record Sleeves!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2022
- What do I do when I encounter plain paper sleeves when I buy a new or used vinyl record? I get rid of them. Should you?
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I challenge anybody who thinks they have dust under control and a 'dustless' environment to let some sunlight in towards your TT. Just so you can see all the moving and suspended particles in the air. It will amaze and depress you at the same time.
I use the Ultimate Diskkeeper sleeves from Sleeve City almost exclusively. They’re a rice paper sleeve on both sides, and are as smooth as silk. I like them because they have a premium feel to them and don’t scuff or damage my records.
Rice paper sleeves are excellent. Thanks for sharing!
I hate paper sleeves! I just recently purchased the "Sade - This Far" vinyl box set and I was surprised that all of the records had paper sleeves. The money that it cost it should have came with high quality anti-static round bottom sleeves. I made up my mind then that I was going to replace any of my records with paper sleeves with the high quality anti-static round bottom sleeves. It will take me a while because I have around 1200 records, but every time I play a record I will replace the paper sleeves. It should be a crime for record companies to use paper sleeves!
Agreed Fred!
Good vid. I dump the paper sleeves and replace with poly sleeves. I also put the nice printed sleeves back with the record sleeve.
Why don't all pressing plants just use polylined paper sleeves. So many records get returned because of being scratched by the paper 😭
I wish i knew :(
funny since in the video he shows footage of throwing out a poly-lined paper sleeve 2:15
Amen, brother. Paper sleeves suck!
"The end of the world" was one of my favorite songs btw
Don't throw away the paper sleeve if you want to maintain 100% factory original status of your vinyl. Even a plain one. I like to put it back in the original record sleeve and then put the protected record inside the outer protective sleeve in the back of the album.
I do sometimes wish I hadn't tossed them all away. Only the plain ones of course. Never to store records but, as you said, to preserve the original packaging. I've never sold or intentionally given a record away so I'm not concerned with the value, but completely get those who are and who do wish to maintain the original packages integrity.
I have had absolutely NO problems with white paper inner sleeves, including the ones which have yellowed. They keep the records more dust-free, but it all comes down to handling and how records are stored when not being played. I have never seen a record scruff which I could attribute to a white paper inner sleeve. However, there are those lined inner sleeve, which are supposed to be anti-static. Well, brand new records which come in lined inner sleeves have had such a static-electrical charge that it was hard getting them out of the inner sleeve without damaging the records. I have LP's dating back to some of the first LP's and if the original sleeves were coming apart, I replaced them with new white paper ones.
However, I can't count the number of brand new LP's which came in the anti-static lined sleeves which were scuffed. Most of the new ones I exchange until I got one which wasn't scuffed.You have to consider that a record isn't made in a clean-room and are NOT packaged in a clean-room either. It is a factory operation. Back in the 1960's and 70's, I acquired some British-pressed records. Most all came in lined inner sleeves and those are the best ones I've ever seen. RTI used to send out their record pressings in pink clear plastic sleeves. Those were truly ant-static sleeves, the same type of material that sensitive electronic parts come in.
Back to the modern lined inner sleeves, because inserting and removing records from them creates static electricity, dust and dirt particles are pulled right out of the air, so, guess what is going to possibly scratch or scuff a record when it is slid back inside the sleeve?
I recently got some records which were brand new out of the sleeve and there was some surface noise I didn't like, I believe that they were pressed by QRP. Before I cleaned them on my RCM, I looked at the grooves using a stylus scope. I couldn't believe all the dust which was on a brand new record!
So, after over 60 years of collecting records, and with 1,000's of records in my collection, I advise people to stay away from the lined or plastic inner-sleeves, professionally clean you records and store them appropriately in a climate controlled environment.
My experience is the opposite of what you described. The most contaminated new records I’ve purchased 9 times out of 10 had a white paper sleeve. The records are just peppered with paper dust. I have experienced the static cling of death while removing a new record from a plastic liner and it is a bit unnerving. The records in plastic sleeves do tend to be mostly clean right out of the sleeve, though. I still clean all my records before playing them but the level of contamination between the paper sleeves and plastic are very noticeable.
I couldn't disagree more and with the same amount of yrs handling records. Keep the paper sleeves in the jacket as an adornment and replace with custom poly sleeves.
@@silascooper3217 You obviously haven't looked at the record grooves under magnification. Here are some recent brand new examples: Jimi Hendrix Experience-Electric Ladyland boxed set(lined sleeves)--grooves packed with dust(x2), Getz/Gilberto-45rpm(lined sleeves)--grooves packed with dust, Art Bakley's Jazz Messengers With Thelonius Monk(heavy white paper custom printed sleeves)--clean records, John Coletrane-My Favorite Things(heavy white paper custom printed sleeves--clean records, Art Pepper + Eleven(lined sleeves)--grooves packed with dust, Beach Boys-Sounds Of Summer-Color Vinyl Target Edition(plain white sleeves)-clean grooves(x2), Nancy & Lee(translucent plastic sleeves)--fairly clean, Ornette Coleman-Contemporary Albums box(translucent plastic sleeves)--fairly clean, Prince-Welcome2America(lined sleeves)--dirtiest grooves yet. All new, all were sealed. Then there are some used records I bought from a shop. They ultrasonically clean and dry every LP they put out for sale and put them in new white inner sleeves. I played each one once or twice. I just checked and the records were still clean. I pulled a couple of my 50+ year old original records which I cleaned on my VPI RCM and put in new white inner sleeves and they are still free of any contaminants and look like I just cleaned them. New records' cleanliness are subject to how they were made, who made them, how they were packaged and in what.
Agreed, paper sleeves are not the devil incarnate. Most ppl like to forget about that unplayed record they found in the thrift store from the 1960's that still has it's original paper sleeve and no scuffs... pristine and shiny. I am glad this dude's video mentions PVC migration and how bad most plastic inners are, but I want to call out MoFi and their rice paper sleeves: I bought a pack and replaced about 20 inners and within a couple weeks had the material started to migrate onto my records. The temp in the room did unfortunately get a little over 85 degrees, but still, to me that's too delicate. There are even whole threads on forums full of frustrated people trying to reckon with that same issue. And you know, paper sleeves don't break down at over 10 degrees room temp, and time has shown that they last without damaging vinyl when kept clean and stored correctly, and especially when the record is removed from the jacket with care (slight bend of the jacket so one can remove it without friction). FYI old 78 collectors wouldn't dare use anything but paper... the older and more worn/soft the better, they say.
I do exactly what you do now that this is my second collection of my life / you know like a lot of people I sold my vinyl collection back in the early 90's but now that I have been back collecting seriously for the past 4 years / every album new or used gets a outer sleeve & a inner poly vinyl sleeve / actually the same ones you showed in the video.
That’s great, Jim! I thankfully never got rid of mine but they were stored away for almost twenty years before I pulled them back out and got serious about collecting again. Amazing how good they all still sound (after cleaning and all).
Just be careful of the outer jacket sleeves that are common PVC...they can gas and cause damage.
Another “hallelujah” video, Rick! It’s heart breaking to spend $50 on a new record, pry it from an overly tight paper sleeve, and to see the scuff that will forever mar the LP! Technically, it can still sound perfect so it’s not defective, but can’t be called “minty”. I find that custom inner sleeves with lyrics, credits, or photographs that used to be much more common in the 1980s were the worst offenders for scuffing, but the paper sleeve takes a close second. Some of the poly lined sleeves can also leave some “texture looking marking” on the record as well….but I think these CAN be removed. Incidentally, I save the generic paper sleeves and donate to a community re-use event - they go very quickly as I guess there are many records out there without any inner sleeves (not sure whether inner sleeves were all that common in the 1960’s).
The reuse event is a great idea. It's true about the "enhanced" sleeves with pictures, lyrics, etc, as you mentioned. I've had records stuck to those in the past.
I prefer to use Nagaoka style Japanese inner sleeves which are rounded on one side and can easily slight into the standard paper sleeves. It’s a simple solution, anti-static, not too expensive, but most important, it does a perfect job protecting your records. And you don’t have to throw away the paper sleeves.
Rounded sleeves here as well. Very convenient.
After a diligent cleaning my records go into antistatic inner sleeves. Even the ones in not so great shape.
Same! Every one
Scuff marks often come from dirt/dust being aided and abetted by the paper sleeve. Bad Juju.I keep all the album sleeves inside the jacket, but immediately replace with custom sleeves. I keep a box of custom sleeves always around so I can replace the old sleeves as I listen and clean my vinyl. It also tells me when I pull out a record that if it doesn't have a new custom sleeve, I haven't cleaned the record yet. Unless you live in a hermetically sealed environment....dust travels into your sleeves from the opening in your jacket. It can be profound after 30+ yrs, even if you are neat. I'm finding this out as play records I haven't heard for decades.
I do the same as you, Kevin. I keep spare inner and outer poly sleeves available. I took on the insane project of cleaning all my records at the beginning of the year. Took weeks. You’re right about the decades old records.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Wow! Kudos for you cleaning all your records at once.....what a job! I'd have to disappear from the public for awhile. A friend of mine said to start at Z and work backward. That worked for awhile, but I became bored with it....cleaning records I didn't even like or wanted to hear. Now I clean as I browse for stuff I wanna hear.
should we throw out the paper sleeves that have inner lining, too? or are they safe?
Hi! I'm sure they are safe. I like to use my own sleeves so I don't typically keep the paper sleeves with the lining, but I certainly can't say they will damage your record. It's more personal preference when it comes to them.
So all my records get a bath in the ultrasonic. The the jacket goes in the MoFi 4mil crystal clear outer sleeves. The record goes in a MoFi original master sleeve that is then placed behind the jacket in the 4mil sleeve. The sleeve that came with the record goes back into the jacket whether it's a plan paper or printed sleeve.
One of these days I’ll splurge for an ultra sonic. I have a good system but that one intrigues me.
Ugh the temptation to buy a degritter 🙃
@@theayeshaerotica Yes, but in reading about that particular USC machine....they use the same 'dirty' water to rinse the record after it's just been cleaned. They should have two separate reservoirs for that kind of money;one for cleaning and one for rinsing.
What do you guys do to protect your box sets external art?
I don't have any solutions for those to be honest. I have them stacked together in my vinyl room. I'm curious to hear what others do as well.
I prefer plastic lined paper sleeves.
ive just about finished my collection with Invest in Vinyl sleeves. I have a question: Do you keep the record and inner sleeve outside the cover,or slide it in? Outer cover open at the top? I've seen a few different ways here on youtube.
I keep it in the inner sleeve with the outer protective sleeve open on top. Helps to slide it back into place that way and I have to take the entire sleeve out to get to the LP inside. (hope that made visual sense).
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords yep 😀
I need help my vinyl record is stuck inside the paper sleeve and won’t come out
I've actually had to rip the paper sleeve before.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I also need to know how many fingers I need to hold on the back side of the vinyl record
The paper sleeves are great for 78's, but terrible for vinyl.
Agreed!