I really liked the format of this Rob. You presented your thoughts on each army in a concise and clear way, and even with my limited knowledge of the game I was able to follow as well as understand your reasoning and logic behind the placings. I would love to see videos like this after each battle scroll.
Would love to see a deeper dive into Disciples of Tzeentch! I am pretty new to AoS, and even newer to Tzeentch so it's hard to get to grips with such a unique book. Was just chatting with one of my buddies last night about how I didn't know what I was doing wrong with my lists.
Checkout "The Stormkeep" They have a "How to Counter Tzeentch" video Sounds like an odd one to learn from, but it is very in depth To learn how to counter it, you have to know in detail how it plays (both in theory and from on the table experience)
For the pity battle tactic, I really think that it was more justified for the Orruk Warclans, as they have the same amount of battle tactics as in other tome, but a single clan could only do two of them (3 if they have Kragnos and the opponent have a terrain feature).
Nice vid and I agreed with most of it, but I just wanted to point out that Grave guard have seen a 20 point increase since the battle-tome released, and they’re in nearly every list because SBGL have basically no other dedicated hammer units. They’re also very slow and have no save. Any more points and they’ll start to become too much of a tax, as they’re generally required in 20’s to be an effective dedicated hammer.
Yep, they are the only hammer in my legion of night list, hit on 4, wound on 3. 6s to wound do a mortal. It’s very variable, oh and you have to make a 9 inch charge when it pops up from the grave… so 🙏
Exactly. I think people who don’t play with them sometimes bemoan their cost vs potential damage, but miss out the fact that they are incredibly slow, fragile and quiet hard to use. Often I have them shot off the board, failing charges or being smacked in the face before I’ve had a chance to do anything with them. If they go up by much more they simply won’t be worth it and we’ll be an army without a functioning dedicated hammer unit.
Really appreciate these discussions after GW's updates. Helps me put everything in perspective and make more educated decisions prior to attending a tournament since i dont get a chance to play as often as Id like.
Sadly Sylvaneth got a huge nerf when they changed Battlemages with the new CoS book. They no longer are able to give the +2 to charge and so now it's if Spiteswarm doesn't go off you're a sitting duck. I'd say they're a B-tier army now seeing as their two tricks were nerfed. Teleport in, charge, strike and fade is a huge gamble now, and they nerfed Warsong Bomb a bit too. I've seen a lot of luck with ranged teams though and they seem to be coming up a lot more.
Future meta gonna be Grundstock Expiditionary Force,2x Aetheric-Navigator, 3x Gunhaulers, and 40x Thunderers, the double shoot and fight ability is too good
Absolutely nailed Slaanesh. Pointed based on abilities they might not hit until there's not much left and summoning that typically won't get used. Still having lots of fun with the book, but I really wish Invaders and Godseekers had more gas in the tank.
Yep. I'm fairly new (Slaanesh was my first army) and am thinking about either switching armies or massively investing in more units since I can't easily hit the depravity buffs in low-point value games, to say nothing of summoning. Super-fun play style, but the defense? Not so much
Plaguebearers are an absolute terror now. While it requires you to put in The Glottkin + x number of PB's, they will be so much worse than zombies, oh I just charged into your entire army, keeping everything just within 3, except one unit ,5" away and now you'll just sit there until you retreat.
Went 4 wins 1 draw in a 20 person competition against some very good players this weekend, even tabled giants, skaven is one of those armies that can be amazing, just takes some practice and careful planning, it’s a has terrible battle tactics so scoring is hard and ya army will be blown away in a gentle breeze so ya gotta go hard on killing the enemy and get up early, it’s an army with a hard learning curve and very unforgiving if you make mistakes from army creation and play
Could you please give me some advice. Im begginer in AOS and i choose Skaven for 1st army 😅 i painted good amount of rats and in 2 weeks im gonna play my first Tournament (1000points). I played only 2 games before 1k and 2k. 2k was awesome and i even won but in 1k I have a feeling that i cant fit aby real threating combination. If you have some time i could tell you which units i have and maybe you could help me. Thanks anyway!
I combo the deceiver and warbringer so all the buffers go into the warbringer and he gets teleported up field. I use a lot of acolytes with an engineer for warpsparks I use clan rats to deep strike warpfire throwers with warpgrinders so I get within 6 Anvil is ogors and giant rats with a moulder.
Really useful for me considering diving into AOS, although I might wait until 4.0 launches. Dropped Fantasy a bit before End Times and the death of the game but AOS is looking pretty beefy and filled out now.
I would faster say that Nighthaunt have problem with holding objectives instead of doing battle tactic. Very easy to make 3/5 without looking at the enemy and still quite easy to have 5/5.
@@tncujedk34 It's not so bad with Grand strat too - Flight is a bit harder now but it's still doable and Spellcasting Savant is not bad for them too. I stil feel that NH was rated to low
It's sad to see the ghostie bois struggle. I'd imagine nighthaunt is a challenge to balance though since the fly and retreat mechanics can be very powerful.
Not sure I agree that Kruleboyz or Ironjawz are going to be strong, but I definitely rate big Waaagh! super highly at the moment. Gitz have been falling a bit in the stats lately too, but that might just be that the matchups vs OBR and SBGL is tough for them. They also lack tools to reach over enemy lines effectively. Definitely agree that they're somewhere near the top though.
@@Rave.- sure ignore the part where they totally deleted, not nerfed, deleted seraphon top build. hearing u guys is like someone saying bonereaper were buffed since x units are cheaper!! and ignore rules nerfs and others point increases
I have all chaos armies. Khorne is Nuts, but I think Nurgle need be after Bonereapers because he have tools for ALL. He have a bit of magic or anti magic, he have monster, he have shootingm he have combat, he have Speed thanks to the DR of LOA and Gutrot. When I go to events, I pick Nurgle and I'm the shield like always. I can do a list who no one can counter me in any way. I only lost 1 game of 18, and no ties, beign the shield. I thinks nurgle have a lot of hidden potential what other armies don't have. And I'm usually a khorne player, but I feel equal consistent Nurgle. I still remember when the rotmire creed come out. Nobody play it but i go with 20 of them and 2 of demon Fly, plus one summoned. Bro I have in my memory the faces when i shoot them like 100 shots with a nurgle army and literally give like 40 infections thanks to the old spread hability of the rotmire xD. No sense. It changed a bit, but still having the control of my games when I play them.
i play skaven and soulblight, i personally was really disappointed in the skaven book but im doing rather good vs my friend, were not good players overall though. soulblight just feels to strong to play atm, increasing the points doesnt change the problem they have. cant wait to build my sylvaneth soon
Which is weird for Tzeentch because the horrors are a really unique unit that doesn't exist anywhere else. I'd think I'd think if they bring them down a bit again they'd be good. Because it is a good unit, just too expensive. Maybe try them out at 230 for the fun of it and see where tzeentch lands. Thank god Krondspine is dead
Could someone e explain how Gloomspite gitz are s tier. I thought they were so random it they were really bad. Have they gotten a new rulebook or soemthing. Been out of aos for a few years
I think on the hands of a really good player Cities could be an excellent army. I am definitely not that player but I am really looking forward to trying out the new book.
You can't use destiny dices for units that doesnt have the disciple of tzeentch keyword. But Tzeentch keyword means you can shield of fate those units.
My prediction is anywhere between one and two per army. With two you can cover basically the board in strike-last for a monster and that is extremely useful.
As a Bonesplitterz player, I recently Facebook stalked Matt Rose, and plead my case for my army. Nice guy, invited me to have a drink with him if I was ever in the area. But he was tight-lipped about the future of my army.
@corywalker189 was it with the new GHB? I think we have a shot with all of our cheap casters this season. I am curious what you ran. My first list was just nerfed with the changes to Rupture. So I am thinking of running this for fun: - Army Faction: Orruk Warclans - Army Type: Bonesplitterz - Subfaction: Drakkfoot - Grand Strategy: Waaagh! - Triumph: Inspired LEADERS Wurrgog Prophet (170)* - General - Command Traits: Master of Magic - Spells: Gorkamorka’s War Cry Wardokk (80)* - Spells: Glowy Green Tusks Wardokk (80)* - Spells: Hoarfrost Wardokk (80)** - Spells: Merciless Blizzard Bundo Whalebiter (440)** BATTLELINE Savage Orruk Morboys (160)** Savage Orruk Morboys (160)** Savage Orruks (160)** - Bone Totem Bearer - Skull Thumper - Savage Stikka OTHER Savage Boarboy Maniaks (300)** Savage Boarboy Maniaks (300)** ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS 1 x Emerald Lifeswarm (60) CORE BATTALIONS *Andtorian Acolytes **Battle Regiment TOTAL POINTS: 1990/2000 Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
@@BonzaiBomber I ran an unconventional list (I always try to), trying to just focus on scoring the battle tactics and still have some threats to sneak primaries. The games I lost I learned lots (only my second tournament, both with bonesplitterz). The most recent FAQ was used in this tournament, but couldnt edit the list, so blizzard wasn't as fun with the maniak, but did help in one game. I beat lumineth castle in game 1, lost to big Waaagh alpha game 2, lost to beasts of chaos krondspine game 3, game 4 won vs Sons gargant spam, and won game 5 vs soulblight nagash/zombies. Army Faction: Orruk Warclans - Army Type: Bonesplitterz - Subfaction: Icebone - Grand Strategy: Waaagh! - Triumph: Bloodthirsty LEADERS Maniak Weirdnob (100)*** - Mount Traits: Fast ’Un - Spells: Merciless Blizzard Kragnos (720)* Wurgogg Prophet (170)** - General - Command Traits: Eye of the Blizzard - Artefacts of Power: Glowin’ Tattooz (4+ ward) - Spells: Hoarfrost Wardokk (80)** - Spells: Merciless Blizzard BATTLELINE Savage Boarboys (140)*** - Savage Boar Boss - Bone Totem Bearer - Skull Thumper - Savage Stikka Savage Boarboys (140)*** - Savage Boar Boss - Bone Totem Bearer - Skull Thumper - Savage Stikka Savage Boarboys(140)*** - Bone Totem Bearer - Skull Thumper - Savage Boar Boss - Savage Stikka BEHEMOTH Skitterstrand Arachnarok (180* Skitterstrand Arachnarok (180)* ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS 1 x Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (50) 1 x Suffocating Gravetide (30) 1 x Aethervoid Pendulum (40) CORE BATTALIONS *Linebreaker **Andtorian Acolytes ***Bonesplitterz Rukk TOTAL POINTS: 1970/2000 DROPS: 9 WOUNDS: 109
@@BonzaiBomber I didnt find emerald lifeswarm as helpful as it should be with one prophet. If you decide to, I'd say do double prophet and take the lifeswarm. Find MSU better for scoring the battle tactics, so I'd recommend splitting the maniak up (obviously that will change the drops, so adjust accordingly).
Honestly, skaven can beat any of the other factions, but you need to mix and match clans. I typically run every clan in my lists. Clanrats are great at wasting my opponents time, skryre are the ranged damage dealers, pestilens and moulder absolutely wreck shit in melee, and Gutterrunners are a good harassment unit. The problem is that, skaven have garbage grand strategies and once the melee punch is spent, you have better got good value because you can't bring them back like so many other horde armies
thanks alot! Maybe i can find some lists of him or even some writen tournament reports. Starting with Nighthaunt atm and im honestly disappointed so far with the army but maybe i dont have them figured out yet. Hard to tell tbh.@@thehonestwargamerstreams
So I realized this not to long ago but coalition units don't benefit from Destiny dice. Only units with the DISCIPLES OF TZEENTCH keyword get it. Coalition units just get the Tzeentch keyword.
I'm surprised Night haunts so low. With the absolute stacking of mega debuffs. Ethereal, Fast movement, fly, High damage and the ability to be respawned/buffed. I've never seen a bat rep go bad in the hands of a nigh haunt player. And I've never seen in person, one do badly in a game without simply making the absolute worst mistakes possible.
Gitz recursion via the loonshrine is barely worth mentioning as it is unreliable as fuck being 1 unit at the end of the Gitz players turn on a 4+. Turn 1 probably won't get to roll for a unit unless you went and fed something like a unit of sportsplatta turn 1 and you went 2nd. Turn 5 getting something out you don't even get to play with what you might have brought back (to reiterate it is a single 4+ roll) besides sitting on an objective within 12" of the shrine. Very risky to play your turn 5 relying on a 50/50 roll at the end of your turn. In addition, the shrine can be killed by a monstrous rampage turning off the recursion altogether. You could lean into it with the re-roll and additional roll but I would not be investing in that personally over the better subfaction and other abilities, especially when it only really comes in to use 3 out of 5 turns. Honestly would not be sad if they removed the recursion altogether and brought back some other buff to the shrine like the old no battleshock within 12" or give +1/+2 bravery within 12".
Think you underestimated tzeentchs ability to walk a lil dweeb with cult demagogue slowly up the board behind a stack of horrors and just kill things with zero chance for your opponent to do anything about it. I did 183 mortals with it at a 2 day tournament just before battlescroll. The rest I agree with 🙂
I sort of feel bad for plopping put my skeletons on objectives turn one and basically having an immovable meat (bone?) Shield the entire game. And if they die they can come back. And heal both combat phases. People are sleeping hard on the skeletons and they really deserve a heavy points increase (i like the rules very thematic) maybe no healing during opponents turn? Thats a bit much fuck
Gooooooddammit I just got a new Gloomspite battletome released, they already released models and batallions that aren't in the relatively new battletome and as if it wasn't enough, 4.0 is around the corner to make my book old after just about 1.5 years.... Fuuuuck Digital rules GW. D-i-g-i-t-a-l FFS
Skaven is best-greatest team. Ignore all man thing false-fake news. Skaven team greatest-strongest, losing more games as skaven means killing more Skaven- automatic Skaven victory due to number of Skaven killed when you murder-kill rival rats. Skaven team, good- no, BEST team yes-yes. More than S tier. Skaven team so good it becomes a number, 13th tier. -a totally Normal human and NOT ratkin
I really don't want to see Bonesplitterz go. They just need some love and attention. They really stand apart from the rest of orruks with their look and playstyle.
I would also offer another historical analogy. GW is the Neville Chamberlain of our time, appeasing people with minor changes but never fixing the underlying problem, potentially making it far worse.
Conspiracy Theory: I think Flesh Eater Courts as a separate faction will be squatted A few of their models will be absorbed into the Avengorii dynasty part of the Soulblight Gravelords book while the rest are gone Same for some of the army rules being stripped down and streamlined into the Avengorii subfaction rules Thats why we havent gotten a book on the FEC yet In my conspiratorial opinion On a side note: I would put Hedonites in "A" tier, but otherwise your tier list lines up with mine for this season
I personally find worst to play against 84 squigherds than any starborne or whatever list you may want to compare I don't even rate starborne as a top tier army I mean, ok on paper they are super good but in fact they can't play against other top armies. They have an hard counter in squigherds, in NM , in khorne , and basically they struggle in primary scoring against any Horde army Now that they can't even efficiently use and incarnate It Is even easier Their Castle Is paper, no survivability at all But a part from seraphon i tend to agree with everything else Thank you for the contents!
@@salsathe4th yes and no, It Is ok if you speak about a non competitive environment If you speak about competitive scenario and your army sucks against all the top armies , your army Is not a top tier army, because you Will hardly go 5/0. Good for sure, top, no
Future meta is GW release bonkers stuff that wrecks the game and then 4th ed comes out and bans it all. Why gitz aren't S tier -> they die if you look at them and their bravery is guff so they then peg it away in droves. Most characters are as survivable as paper soaked in gasoline around a naked flame.
I really liked the format of this Rob. You presented your thoughts on each army in a concise and clear way, and even with my limited knowledge of the game I was able to follow as well as understand your reasoning and logic behind the placings.
I would love to see videos like this after each battle scroll.
Thankyou very much. Means a lot to me. Glad it was good
00:00 Intro
02:08 Stormcast Eternals
06:45 Cities of Sigmar
09:13 Daughters of Khaine
11:05 Nighthaunt
13:37 Gloomspite Gitz
16:21 Sons of Behemat
18:10 Ogor Mawtribes
22:19 Maggotkin of Nurgle
27:05 Idoneth Deepkin
29:33 Orruk Warclans
35:36 Soulblight Gravelords
39:25 Disciples of Tzeentch
42:42 Ossiarch Bonereapers
47:40 Seraphon
50:32 Slaves to Darkness
54:07 Hedonites of Slaanesh
57:46 Kharadron Overlords
1:00:09 Blades of Khorne
1:03:04 Skaven
1:05:45 Flesh-Eater Courts
1:08:37 Beasts of Chaos
1:10:49 Fyreslayers
1:12:03 Lumineth Realm-lords
1:13:54 Sylvaneth
1:15:35 Outro
Thankyou!!!!
@@thehonestwargamerstreams you're welcome, thanks for the awesome content mate !
Legend for this! Thank you!
Thank you for your service sir/madam. ❤
Thank you this saves me so much time
Would love to see a deeper dive into Disciples of Tzeentch! I am pretty new to AoS, and even newer to Tzeentch so it's hard to get to grips with such a unique book. Was just chatting with one of my buddies last night about how I didn't know what I was doing wrong with my lists.
Checkout "The Stormkeep"
They have a "How to Counter Tzeentch" video
Sounds like an odd one to learn from, but it is very in depth
To learn how to counter it, you have to know in detail how it plays (both in theory and from on the table experience)
@@cmleibenguth Thank you!!
Bringing Skaven to my first tournament in November.
New with the worst army = recipe for success right!?
I believe in your rats 😊
1:14:00 Can’t believe I waited the entire video just for Rob to call me a scrub let’s go 🤣
Proper cackled at that
Loved this video, Rob. Great job with the battlescroll recap and I’d love to see one the next battlescroll update!
Would love too
For the pity battle tactic, I really think that it was more justified for the Orruk Warclans, as they have the same amount of battle tactics as in other tome, but a single clan could only do two of them (3 if they have Kragnos and the opponent have a terrain feature).
Nice vid and I agreed with most of it, but I just wanted to point out that Grave guard have seen a 20 point increase since the battle-tome released, and they’re in nearly every list because SBGL have basically no other dedicated hammer units. They’re also very slow and have no save. Any more points and they’ll start to become too much of a tax, as they’re generally required in 20’s to be an effective dedicated hammer.
Yep, they are the only hammer in my legion of night list, hit on 4, wound on 3. 6s to wound do a mortal. It’s very variable, oh and you have to make a 9 inch charge when it pops up from the grave… so 🙏
Exactly. I think people who don’t play with them sometimes bemoan their cost vs potential damage, but miss out the fact that they are incredibly slow, fragile and quiet hard to use. Often I have them shot off the board, failing charges or being smacked in the face before I’ve had a chance to do anything with them. If they go up by much more they simply won’t be worth it and we’ll be an army without a functioning dedicated hammer unit.
Really appreciate these discussions after GW's updates. Helps me put everything in perspective and make more educated decisions prior to attending a tournament since i dont get a chance to play as often as Id like.
Morathi and fighty snakes sounds fun, any help with a list as brand new to DOK and wish to start ☺️ thank you!! 😊
Any time!
Morarhi
Snake hero general
Zealous orator battle trait
15
5 5 fighty snakes
2 X kenari
@@thehonestwargamerstreams thank you sir!! Helped a new player get into the hobby, much appreciated 😁😁
Ooo a new tier list! Time to get my coffee. I wonder where my Skaven will end up. Surely we won't be at the bottom again, right? Right? 😶
Well.....
I did enjoy this, thank you rob., i am looking forward to them finding a way to make stormcast feel more elite again! Hoping atleast!
Great video ! Thanks a lot ! At least now we have 1 Battletome from each Grand Alliance in S Tier, wich I find great ^^
Sadly Sylvaneth got a huge nerf when they changed Battlemages with the new CoS book. They no longer are able to give the +2 to charge and so now it's if Spiteswarm doesn't go off you're a sitting duck.
I'd say they're a B-tier army now seeing as their two tricks were nerfed. Teleport in, charge, strike and fade is a huge gamble now, and they nerfed Warsong Bomb a bit too.
I've seen a lot of luck with ranged teams though and they seem to be coming up a lot more.
Big bug has made them a tier and they are still b to a
@@thehonestwargamerstreams I might just be that B-tier player you were speaking of 😅😂
Future meta gonna be Grundstock Expiditionary Force,2x Aetheric-Navigator, 3x Gunhaulers, and 40x Thunderers, the double shoot and fight ability is too good
Boy howdy
Just when things were getting happier…..
hey, just curious what happend to the stat center? did i miss something or are you just busy with other stuff? just asking because i love to see them
Absolutely nailed Slaanesh. Pointed based on abilities they might not hit until there's not much left and summoning that typically won't get used. Still having lots of fun with the book, but I really wish Invaders and Godseekers had more gas in the tank.
Yep. I'm fairly new (Slaanesh was my first army) and am thinking about either switching armies or massively investing in more units since I can't easily hit the depravity buffs in low-point value games, to say nothing of summoning. Super-fun play style, but the defense? Not so much
Plaguebearers are an absolute terror now. While it requires you to put in The Glottkin + x number of PB's, they will be so much worse than zombies, oh I just charged into your entire army, keeping everything just within 3, except one unit ,5" away and now you'll just sit there until you retreat.
Exactly
What do you mean with primary? That is 40k and AOS 2nd edition, right? Are there still primary and secondary objectives in this edition AOS?
No.
Holding objectives is the primary
Battle tactics is second
Grand strat is tertiary
As someone joining the hobby a "fun" list would be perfect
How are Gitz S tier oppressive? Seems like they lose pretty regularly to SBG, OBR & serphon
Went 4 wins 1 draw in a 20 person competition against some very good players this weekend, even tabled giants, skaven is one of those armies that can be amazing, just takes some practice and careful planning, it’s a has terrible battle tactics so scoring is hard and ya army will be blown away in a gentle breeze so ya gotta go hard on killing the enemy and get up early, it’s an army with a hard learning curve and very unforgiving if you make mistakes from army creation and play
Could you please give me some advice. Im begginer in AOS and i choose Skaven for 1st army 😅 i painted good amount of rats and in 2 weeks im gonna play my first Tournament (1000points). I played only 2 games before 1k and 2k. 2k was awesome and i even won but in 1k I have a feeling that i cant fit aby real threating combination. If you have some time i could tell you which units i have and maybe you could help me. Thanks anyway!
I combo the deceiver and warbringer so all the buffers go into the warbringer and he gets teleported up field.
I use a lot of acolytes with an engineer for warpsparks
I use clan rats to deep strike warpfire throwers with warpgrinders so I get within 6
Anvil is ogors and giant rats with a moulder.
Really useful for me considering diving into AOS, although I might wait until 4.0 launches. Dropped Fantasy a bit before End Times and the death of the game but AOS is looking pretty beefy and filled out now.
I would faster say that Nighthaunt have problem with holding objectives instead of doing battle tactic. Very easy to make 3/5 without looking at the enemy and still quite easy to have 5/5.
@@tncujedk34 It's not so bad with Grand strat too - Flight is a bit harder now but it's still doable and Spellcasting Savant is not bad for them too. I stil feel that NH was rated to low
I would like to see the ironjawz brute list, rob is talking about in the ij section.😅
It's sad to see the ghostie bois struggle. I'd imagine nighthaunt is a challenge to balance though since the fly and retreat mechanics can be very powerful.
A very rational video title
Hahahaha that's what we are where for
Love this format I think it could be a monthly or bimonthly deal :)
Not sure I agree that Kruleboyz or Ironjawz are going to be strong, but I definitely rate big Waaagh! super highly at the moment.
Gitz have been falling a bit in the stats lately too, but that might just be that the matchups vs OBR and SBGL is tough for them. They also lack tools to reach over enemy lines effectively. Definitely agree that they're somewhere near the top though.
"None of this got nerfed in this battlescroll update, which is dumb." -Rob about Starborne
Ahh it warms my heart to see it. Vindicated at last.
Happy to help
Anyone coming to an event with this list shouldnt be allowed to get snacks n coffee!
yes is fun to see someone say starborn wasnt nerfed, when his top build ( incarnate endless feed) was straight deleted, and slan got a increase too...
@sururu6 oops, I missed that 15pt increase to the Slann.
...well then wtf is Rob whining about? Lmao.
@@Rave.- sure ignore the part where they totally deleted, not nerfed, deleted seraphon top build.
hearing u guys is like someone saying bonereaper were buffed since x units are cheaper!! and ignore rules nerfs and others point increases
I have all chaos armies.
Khorne is Nuts, but I think Nurgle need be after Bonereapers because he have tools for ALL. He have a bit of magic or anti magic, he have monster, he have shootingm he have combat, he have Speed thanks to the DR of LOA and Gutrot. When I go to events, I pick Nurgle and I'm the shield like always. I can do a list who no one can counter me in any way. I only lost 1 game of 18, and no ties, beign the shield. I thinks nurgle have a lot of hidden potential what other armies don't have.
And I'm usually a khorne player, but I feel equal consistent Nurgle.
I still remember when the rotmire creed come out. Nobody play it but i go with 20 of them and 2 of demon Fly, plus one summoned. Bro I have in my memory the faces when i shoot them like 100 shots with a nurgle army and literally give like 40 infections thanks to the old spread hability of the rotmire xD. No sense. It changed a bit, but still having the control of my games when I play them.
I want to disagree on Skaven, but you're right. I still love them, but damn that truth hurt
I don't want that to be true!
An army that anti snow balls ... Melts ?
Anyway lovely reviews !
I like this kind of ranking videos a lot haha
i play skaven and soulblight, i personally was really disappointed in the skaven book but im doing rather good vs my friend, were not good players overall though. soulblight just feels to strong to play atm, increasing the points doesnt change the problem they have. cant wait to build my sylvaneth soon
Love these rundowns
Which is weird for Tzeentch because the horrors are a really unique unit that doesn't exist anywhere else. I'd think I'd think if they bring them down a bit again they'd be good. Because it is a good unit, just too expensive. Maybe try them out at 230 for the fun of it and see where tzeentch lands. Thank god Krondspine is dead
Could someone e explain how Gloomspite gitz are s tier. I thought they were so random it they were really bad. Have they gotten a new rulebook or soemthing. Been out of aos for a few years
I think on the hands of a really good player Cities could be an excellent army. I am definitely not that player but I am really looking forward to trying out the new book.
You can't use destiny dices for units that doesnt have the disciple of tzeentch keyword. But Tzeentch keyword means you can shield of fate those units.
Ty. I knew there was a restriction but the 5+ ward is baller
@@thehonestwargamerstreams agree, that's so great with chosen.
My prediction is anywhere between one and two per army. With two you can cover basically the board in strike-last for a monster and that is extremely useful.
I don't mean to be rude but what are you talking about?
@@aidenhodge5569 the Monsta Killaz. The kruleboyz warband
Don't forget the warriors (and knights, and most versions of lords) have a 5+ mortal ward.
Oh and knocking karkalord to under 200 makes the horse lord literally obsolete... unless they knock him down too.
As a Bonesplitterz player, I recently Facebook stalked Matt Rose, and plead my case for my army. Nice guy, invited me to have a drink with him if I was ever in the area. But he was tight-lipped about the future of my army.
I have a huge Boneslitterz army that I love to play. I think they will be dropped next edition and that really sucks.
Also have a bonesplitterz list, went 3-2 at a local GT, so they can still do it!
@corywalker189 was it with the new GHB? I think we have a shot with all of our cheap casters this season. I am curious what you ran. My first list was just nerfed with the changes to Rupture. So I am thinking of running this for fun:
- Army Faction: Orruk Warclans
- Army Type: Bonesplitterz
- Subfaction: Drakkfoot
- Grand Strategy: Waaagh!
- Triumph: Inspired
LEADERS
Wurrgog Prophet (170)*
- General
- Command Traits: Master of Magic
- Spells: Gorkamorka’s War Cry
Wardokk (80)*
- Spells: Glowy Green Tusks
Wardokk (80)*
- Spells: Hoarfrost
Wardokk (80)**
- Spells: Merciless Blizzard
Bundo Whalebiter (440)**
BATTLELINE
Savage Orruk Morboys (160)**
Savage Orruk Morboys (160)**
Savage Orruks (160)**
- Bone Totem Bearer
- Skull Thumper
- Savage Stikka
OTHER
Savage Boarboy Maniaks (300)**
Savage Boarboy Maniaks (300)**
ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS
1 x Emerald Lifeswarm (60)
CORE BATTALIONS
*Andtorian Acolytes
**Battle Regiment
TOTAL POINTS: 1990/2000
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
@@BonzaiBomber I ran an unconventional list (I always try to), trying to just focus on scoring the battle tactics and still have some threats to sneak primaries. The games I lost I learned lots (only my second tournament, both with bonesplitterz). The most recent FAQ was used in this tournament, but couldnt edit the list, so blizzard wasn't as fun with the maniak, but did help in one game. I beat lumineth castle in game 1, lost to big Waaagh alpha game 2, lost to beasts of chaos krondspine game 3, game 4 won vs Sons gargant spam, and won game 5 vs soulblight nagash/zombies.
Army Faction: Orruk Warclans
- Army Type: Bonesplitterz
- Subfaction: Icebone
- Grand Strategy: Waaagh!
- Triumph: Bloodthirsty
LEADERS
Maniak Weirdnob (100)***
- Mount Traits: Fast ’Un
- Spells: Merciless Blizzard
Kragnos (720)*
Wurgogg Prophet (170)**
- General
- Command Traits: Eye of the Blizzard
- Artefacts of Power: Glowin’ Tattooz (4+ ward)
- Spells: Hoarfrost
Wardokk (80)**
- Spells: Merciless Blizzard
BATTLELINE
Savage Boarboys (140)***
- Savage Boar Boss
- Bone Totem Bearer
- Skull Thumper
- Savage Stikka
Savage Boarboys (140)***
- Savage Boar Boss
- Bone Totem Bearer
- Skull Thumper
- Savage Stikka
Savage Boarboys(140)***
- Bone Totem Bearer
- Skull Thumper
- Savage Boar Boss
- Savage Stikka
BEHEMOTH
Skitterstrand Arachnarok (180*
Skitterstrand Arachnarok (180)*
ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS
1 x Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (50)
1 x Suffocating Gravetide (30)
1 x Aethervoid Pendulum (40)
CORE BATTALIONS
*Linebreaker
**Andtorian Acolytes
***Bonesplitterz Rukk
TOTAL POINTS: 1970/2000 DROPS: 9 WOUNDS: 109
@@BonzaiBomber I didnt find emerald lifeswarm as helpful as it should be with one prophet. If you decide to, I'd say do double prophet and take the lifeswarm. Find MSU better for scoring the battle tactics, so I'd recommend splitting the maniak up (obviously that will change the drops, so adjust accordingly).
Honestly, skaven can beat any of the other factions, but you need to mix and match clans. I typically run every clan in my lists. Clanrats are great at wasting my opponents time, skryre are the ranged damage dealers, pestilens and moulder absolutely wreck shit in melee, and Gutterrunners are a good harassment unit. The problem is that, skaven have garbage grand strategies and once the melee punch is spent, you have better got good value because you can't bring them back like so many other horde armies
Can anyone answer which Nighthaunt player was specificly mentioned to be an "if that guy play it its S"?
Nate Trentanelli. Based on the east coast usa
thanks alot! Maybe i can find some lists of him or even some writen tournament reports. Starting with Nighthaunt atm and im honestly disappointed so far with the army but maybe i dont have them figured out yet. Hard to tell tbh.@@thehonestwargamerstreams
So I realized this not to long ago but coalition units don't benefit from Destiny dice. Only units with the DISCIPLES OF TZEENTCH keyword get it. Coalition units just get the Tzeentch keyword.
I'm surprised Night haunts so low. With the absolute stacking of mega debuffs. Ethereal, Fast movement, fly, High damage and the ability to be respawned/buffed.
I've never seen a bat rep go bad in the hands of a nigh haunt player. And I've never seen in person, one do badly in a game without simply making the absolute worst mistakes possible.
Bat reps are the most unrepresentative thing of a tournament game. Also they arent meant to go badly as people wouldnt watch uneven batreps
Gitz recursion via the loonshrine is barely worth mentioning as it is unreliable as fuck being 1 unit at the end of the Gitz players turn on a 4+. Turn 1 probably won't get to roll for a unit unless you went and fed something like a unit of sportsplatta turn 1 and you went 2nd. Turn 5 getting something out you don't even get to play with what you might have brought back (to reiterate it is a single 4+ roll) besides sitting on an objective within 12" of the shrine. Very risky to play your turn 5 relying on a 50/50 roll at the end of your turn.
In addition, the shrine can be killed by a monstrous rampage turning off the recursion altogether.
You could lean into it with the re-roll and additional roll but I would not be investing in that personally over the better subfaction and other abilities, especially when it only really comes in to use 3 out of 5 turns. Honestly would not be sad if they removed the recursion altogether and brought back some other buff to the shrine like the old no battleshock within 12" or give +1/+2 bravery within 12".
Daughters are so fucking good and fun to play for a tactical player.
Great recap Rob! Enjoyed watching this episode. Hope you are doing well 🤙
How's building the gunhaulers going!?
Loool.... I am winning games but losing friends @@thehonestwargamerstreams 😈
im currently running a list with 80 Graveguard in LoN
Think you underestimated tzeentchs ability to walk a lil dweeb with cult demagogue slowly up the board behind a stack of horrors and just kill things with zero chance for your opponent to do anything about it. I did 183 mortals with it at a 2 day tournament just before battlescroll. The rest I agree with 🙂
Anyone have a guess for what starborne will use to replace incarnate? Have a one day event coming up I want to take the army too :)
Two lists with Gotrek did well. Warspawned Kroxigors did pretty well too.
Try those
why should u replace incarnate?? if rob says starborn wasnt nerfed, so seems you can use incarnate on his opinnion! haha
Thanks guys!
I sort of feel bad for plopping put my skeletons on objectives turn one and basically having an immovable meat (bone?) Shield the entire game. And if they die they can come back. And heal both combat phases. People are sleeping hard on the skeletons and they really deserve a heavy points increase (i like the rules very thematic) maybe no healing during opponents turn? Thats a bit much fuck
Future meta: the system just about gets overall balance. Then it’s all trashed and we start again with AoS 4.0….
As is tradition.
Gooooooddammit I just got a new Gloomspite battletome released, they already released models and batallions that aren't in the relatively new battletome and as if it wasn't enough, 4.0 is around the corner to make my book old after just about 1.5 years....
Fuuuuck
Digital rules GW. D-i-g-i-t-a-l FFS
well
You love to see it ❤
Skaven is best-greatest team. Ignore all man thing false-fake news. Skaven team greatest-strongest, losing more games as skaven means killing more Skaven- automatic Skaven victory due to number of Skaven killed when you murder-kill rival rats.
Skaven team, good- no, BEST team yes-yes. More than S tier. Skaven team so good it becomes a number, 13th tier.
-a totally Normal human and NOT ratkin
Battlemage changed in new cities book. It's a decent hit to a lot of successful sylvaneth lists.
Soulblight is still the strongest 3rd edition book, change my mind
F in the chat for my Ratty Bois 😢
I really don't want to see Bonesplitterz go. They just need some love and attention. They really stand apart from the rest of orruks with their look and playstyle.
Me either but here we are!
So cute little gitz but don't touch them they bite so bad
Sylvaneth is an A tier book played by B tier players...nice that someone knows we exist 😂
Dose slaanesh play poorly into khorn
The pity points work on a foudamental flawed idea that curiously the Brits had also towards the French in WWII, that they would last for 5 turns.
That made me laugh pretty hard! Thank you
I would also offer another historical analogy. GW is the Neville Chamberlain of our time, appeasing people with minor changes but never fixing the underlying problem, potentially making it far worse.
Slaanesh sisy-phuds
Why you gotta hate on the SOBs?! It’s the ultimate fun!
Skaven A tier................................................................. as in, A tier below the rest..
Destiny dice only work on disciples of tzeentch keyword not tzeentch keyword.
Conspiracy Theory:
I think Flesh Eater Courts as a separate faction will be squatted
A few of their models will be absorbed into the Avengorii dynasty part of the Soulblight Gravelords book while the rest are gone
Same for some of the army rules being stripped down and streamlined into the Avengorii subfaction rules
Thats why we havent gotten a book on the FEC yet
In my conspiratorial opinion
On a side note:
I would put Hedonites in "A" tier, but otherwise your tier list lines up with mine for this season
OOOOOH Sylvaneth played by B tier players OOOOOOOOOh That stings !
I personally would love to see a Path to Glory Ranking
I personally find worst to play against 84 squigherds than any starborne or whatever list you may want to compare
I don't even rate starborne as a top tier army
I mean, ok on paper they are super good but in fact they can't play against other top armies. They have an hard counter in squigherds, in NM , in khorne , and basically they struggle in primary scoring against any Horde army
Now that they can't even efficiently use and incarnate It Is even easier
Their Castle Is paper, no survivability at all
But a part from seraphon i tend to agree with everything else
Thank you for the contents!
its okay to be wrong i guess..... When only 3 armies counter your army and the rest collapse to them then they are strong. PERIOD.
@@salsathe4th yes and no, It Is ok if you speak about a non competitive environment
If you speak about competitive scenario and your army sucks against all the top armies , your army Is not a top tier army, because you Will hardly go 5/0. Good for sure, top, no
Lol skaven is like s tier now 😂
Seraphon are S for those who don't play them, apparently strong in the table they reveal their true strength, A perhaps..Tzeench the great underrated
Justice for Bonesplitterz! Throw us a bone, GW cowards!
I personally think Slaves to Darkness is 4 tiers too high tbh
Future meta is GW release bonkers stuff that wrecks the game and then 4th ed comes out and bans it all.
Why gitz aren't S tier -> they die if you look at them and their bravery is guff so they then peg it away in droves.
Most characters are as survivable as paper soaked in gasoline around a naked flame.
I think you should revisit this video with a new video, to see where you had it right/wrong or how things played out.
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