Was This A Mistake? Trying to Start Our 70 Yr Old Dozer With The Pup Motor
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Put a block heater and an oil heater in it and plug it in hrs before you want to start it. Also get Katie to spray the either in it while cranking, it stops it from binding up. Your troubles should be over. You can keep it running on ether if you spray across it while its cranking,until it picks up the fuel. Gl
I noticed Aspen immediately in the opening footage. She is a good looking dog and will fit right in with you, all the animals and activity on the homestead. It will be intersting to see how Juniper adjusts to her size, it will be fun to watch them all playing and going on walks with you and Greg. I look forward to all the sage advice from followers enabling Greg to get the Dozer going. It will be fun to see your plans for it unfold as it becomes another useful tool on the property. Have a great week and a blessed 2024. Larry, Central Valley, Ca.
The original PM had its exhaust plumbed into the intake manifold of the Diesel to preheat the engine It worked like a charm
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On the LH side of the dozer there should be a lever to engage/disengage the clutch for the pony motor. The belt from the P.M. to the starting clutch should be tight all the time. Get that P.M bolted down with the belt tight. Then all you should have to do is throw the clutch lever to roll over the big motor.
I would need pictures of the LH side near the starting clutch area.
Spray ether while turning motor over.
Also, I would get a metal pan with hot charcoal under the oil pan to heat the oil will make the engine turn over faster. Let the oil warm up for about half hour then try to start it. Ether should be sprayed while it is turning over.
Also, make sure there aren’t any flames in the charcoal before putting it under the oil pan.
@@janice8379 you can't get to the pan. There heavy stump plates under the machine. If you ever seen a dozer of any kind.
Spray starting fluid while you’re cranking it over.
Awesome puppy. Mya she live lone and make you happy.
try modifying to put a chain drive to replace the belt
either way it would be a good idea to modify the mounts so you can adjust the belt tension and I can give some ideas if you want , but just adding a tensioner pully would be the best either way you need to keep the belt straight and I would guess that there is some kind of tensioner on the tractor already
Cute puppy!
Funny, Aspen is our first Snow storm of the jan 2024 .
Can’t watch anymore of this, dangerous not knowing what you are doing.
Diesel Creek has a TH-cam channel that has a few videos showing the correct way to start a diesel engine with a pony motor. Scrappy Industries is another channel that deals with starting a diesel engine with a pony motor. The dozer itself although pretty old and well used looks like it’s got some good life left in it and would probably serve you well if you can figure it out.
You get an A for effort Greg! The old engine is probably on the edge of having enough compression to fire. Try to get the wife to spray a good amount of ether in the intake( take the intake filter off so the ether is more effective) have the wife spray it in there while you crank it.
Good luck
Agree....... it was turning over enough to start the white smoke was raw fuel.........either straight in for about 30 seconds while it's turning over
Hey Greg! Reach out to Matt@DieselCreek
Him and his buddies tackle these issues a bunch.
My experience has to let that pony turn over that diesel for 2-3 minutes before throwing the coals to it.
Usually will start with out the Ether Bunny when everything is heated up.
Good Luck and Happy New Year to you and yours...
You need to heat the intake manifold so the engine can have warm air. This helps because the engine has warm air for easier combustion.
Pony motor exhaust is supposed to do that is my understanding.
Oil over filled was most likely from the float bowl in the carb and overfilled the crankcase with gas...hense the reason the oil smelled like gas...change that oil out first of all and take the carb apart and clean it thoroughly...mount the gas engine securely and make a lever with a pulley on it inline with the belt so that you can pull the lever and apply the tension to the belt...I agree with other comments for the clutch lever on the other side but don't think you will be able to get the belt tension you need unless you build a frame to mount the motor and use jack bolts to get the belt tight enough
The throttle was all the way forward. That equals off. Pull it back half way and that thing will start right up....
Trust me these old croc's are best turned into re-bar. Ive been around this equipment my whole life and people like yourselves need to stay away from this crap. Its a money pit that will consume you and will become nothing more than yard art.
There are a couple of problems with your replacement pony motor setup. The original pony motor was designed to do a couple of things. The exhaust from the pony motor originally was routed through the intake manifold to warm up any incoming diesel fuel to the main engine. The original pony motor was also water cooled and circulated this warm water through the bigger diesel engine. Lastly, the pony motor would turn over the bigger engine through a clutch, bendix and gearbox. It looks like the new setup is only turning the original pony motor over through the original rope start pulley for the pony motor. If all of the original pony motor internal parts are still there, the new setup is having to do a lot of extra work without giving the diesel the benefits of a warm up before trying to start. In one part of your video, the smoke coming out of the diesel indicated that it was almost ready to start and only needed a shot of starting fluid. I’m guessing that the current setup is going to be a warm weather starting machine. The dozer can probably be converted to electric start by entirely removing the original pony motor and installing glow plugs for pre-combustion warm up.
This man pony motors.
Shouldn't there also be a compression release on the diesel motor
Have only seen a couple comments on here from guys that know what is going on and you are one of them. With that pulley system there is no way you will spin the pony motor over fast enough to get the main motor going. Best bet would be to get the Cat pony motor working.
Like was mentioned here, the pony warmed the coolant and the intake for the big diesel. The pony motor also had a high governor speed, they screamed!
I used to have a dozer with a pony motor set up like yours and you can get it to work ok. You were getting close in this video as evidenced by the puffs of smoke out of the exhaust. You should definitely bolt the motor down tight with the belt tight, it would help to use a centrifugal clutch type pulley, that way you can start the pony motor at an idle and then when you crank up the rpm the clutch will kick in and spin the belt. The original Caterpillar instructions say to crank the engine for up to 5 minutes before adding compression/fuel, this was to warm everything up and get oil pressure. Don't be afraid of spinning the motor over for 5 or more minutes especially in cold weather. As mentioned your set up does not warm the fuel or engine water so it is gunna take a bit before it fires.
I would install a fuel cut off valve on the pony motor. Look to see if you can find a decompression switch or lever on the cat. If so use it to get the rpm of the fly wheel going really fast. When it is released the energy stored in the fly wheel will help fire it up. If there is a antique or vintage equipment collector or show nearby I would suggest you pay them a visit. Most of the collectors will give you a demonstration on how to start it up properly. I can tell you a few things for certain without having the machine in front of me. Glow plugs will help. Get the engine warm as possible. Make sure you have the throttle at least at half throttle when starting the machine up. The pony motor must be secure. Only spray starter fluid when the engine is turning over. Have a wonderful day. It is a pleasure watching your channel.
Since you don't know how old the fuel is, drain it and put in a few gallons of fresh. The diesel fan appears to have enough revolutions to fire it. Keep the same pony motor but bolt it down and insure the belt is aligned and tight. Should fire them.
Fuel in the oil indicates a leaking needle valve in the carburetor. Needs to be cleaned or replaced (probably just cleaned) drain all the oil and replace. Good luck!!
The original designed pony motor was excellent you also could use glow plugs and a block heater ensure you have good winter fuel with gas line anti freeze that is a good dozer
I agree on the fuel. I have sat for hours trying to get a deisel to go and finally emptied the tank and put in fresh stuff and it turned over right away. Check your fuel first.
Hi, if theres a smell of gas in your oil the cab/ float is not set right,/flooding cab/.
over full oil will past the rings and smoke out the exhaust.
You almost had it the last few times with the pony motor when it started smoking from the exhaust. You didn't let it go long enough. It looks to be hard to keep pressure on the pony motor to keep the belt tight? Can't you use a pry bar to make it easier on you?
You're going to tear up the tractor trying to tow that thing...
The pony motor is making oil because fuel is leaking through the carb and into the crankcase. Just shut off the fuel after you get the dozer started.
The design for carbs these days allows the fuel from the fuel tank to drain into the crank case when they sit for long periods. You know it would be impossible to fill the crank case with that much oil. Drain and put in new oil then install fuel shut off valve and make sure you close it off and let engine run until it shuts off after every use. Rotate pull rope assembly, bolt down the pony motor, and I believe I saw an idler tensioner lever on the opposite side. I think it would have started if it wasn’t so cold heat is your friend, try spraying either while diesel is turning over. Love that dog let us know if the shedding is crazy bad..
Я смотрел и молил бога ,что бы дизель незавелся,когда его пытались завести с толкача,получился бы неуправляющий монстр,он бы все сметал бы на своем пути,вывод ,прежде изучи инструкцию,а в остальном удачи ВАМ
The pull start on that pony motor should be adjustable to at least get the rope/handle in the right direction. I know that doesn't do anything to get the bulldozer running but....usually you can remove a couple screws on the pull start housing then turn it and bolt it back on. Quick change that puts the "pull" direction in a convenient place.
The pony motor would work. Needs mounted solid. Needs higher rpm and then a clutch or belt tensioner.
Yes, solid mount for the pony and a pully with with lever to tighten the belt
Check for petcocks on the cylinders to prime them
smaller pully on the pony motor will turn it quicker
Im not an engineer however I watch Ambition Strikes who have a much larger bulldozer but have had similar issues with theirs.
Bolt down pony motor get correct belt for it. Change oil and all Fuel Filters.. Diesel engine just requires air and fuel to run. One bad fuel filter will shut it down. Even a Stopped u air cleaner will screw you This cat is o old for the water level shut down, unless one was installed, which I highly doubt.
Not sure this will help as you have had a number of good directions but take things one step at a time especially when you really don’t know.
Tighten the pony motor so the belts are tight, no slack. Probably now is a good time to replace the belt.
You know the pony motor will start and run but I would replace with an electric start motor of higher power. I know the sequence is wrong, sorry.
Go to harbor freight and get a few welding blankets to tarp the Diesel engine area. Build a fire under the engine as a block heater. If it can be fitted with a heater then that is a better choice. Get a case of starting fluid to keep on hand. Heat will liquify any gelled fuel in the lines. A thought....if you can get a tent of sufficient size get that instead of blankets and super heat inside of tent that you erect over the dozer. It will make working on it much easier. Check that you have fuel in filters and if not, fill with trans fluid for easier starting. Hope this helps and not redundant.
If you can get $500 for scrap value, grab it and that will pay a professional contractor to do the first 3 or 4 hours of any earth works, that thing is a lemon. Stop wasting your time on it.
Look up " Off-griders " , ( Ambition Strikes ) . They invested in a old Bulldozer that's probably as old as yours and requires a ' Pony motor ' to start it . Happy Trails from Eastern Canada to Western Canada 🇨🇦 ✌ out
Beautiful dog the only problem is I've found female dogs are too protective of their owners I had a wolf shepherd and that thing wouldn't let anybody or anything around me literally would attack love there she was a great dog to me just not with other people unless you introduce the people to her best dog ever had
The guy to talk to would be the guy that runs the channel Salvage Workshop... like Content Creators have ANY extra time, right? My understanding is that they make starter motors now powerful enough to start those old dozer engines and they are designed to bolt right up - but maybe you have a rare engine type or block that won't accept a starter? IDK... I sure hope you find a solution, because I'd love to see you get that dozer going.
Did you take the throttle lever out of the stop position, I watched a guy try to start a cat years ago, looked just like yours, an old guy went over pulled the throttle and it took right off.
Smoke indicates there was fuel. Needs glow plugs and maybe faster spinning
Those new gas cans suck!!!!... belt needs to be really tight... can you add a belt tensinor?
i think your pup motor might have gas in the crankcase hence the over fill of oil mixed with gas the carb may have leaked gas into the crankcase and filling the cylinder also making hard to pull maybe drain the crankcase and fill with fresh oil but also close off the fueline going to the carb untill you are going to use it good luck
Farmcraft 101 (TH-cam) is doing a dozer start right now. He's really entertaining while he does it.
Don't think you have a mortar problem I think you have a mounting problem get a mounted properly with a motor is not flopping around and you have to pull on the motor to get the belt to turn something to engage and disengage your belt like a lever lock on the should have three police one on the dozer one on the motor and one idler pulley on a lever that engages and disengages the belt
by spraying the starter fluid before cranking it evaporates before being sucked into intake / spray starter fluid as you are cranking and the motor will suck the start fluid into intake before it can evaporate ,,,, try it
Love the pup so cute anyway your motor is big enough but it isn't helping you that it's loose if you can keep the belt tight you should be able to get the pony motor going and pull your handle at the opposite side and give it the sauce 😉at same time but take of main motors air filter and then spray the sauce into engine miigbt work better if your wondering how I know old farmer been there done that many times to many😮
I been around a lot of these older tractors an ran an old TD14A with a pony. The pony motors are connected to the coolent system to heat up the head of the main engen. Know mater the out side temp. It needs that pre heat. What I did on the old td14 when the old pony blow up. I made a wire coil in side the air intake hooked to a battery an switch. I'd give it 15sec. The wire coil glows red hot Of pre heat 4 to 6 time and turn the big engen over giving it heat off an on. Your also not turning it over fast enought. Them old pony were 10 to 15hp. Your not going to do it with that cheap China engene. You can pick up good used 10 12hp good engines for a good price. Best if you find a liqide cooled one the out of an old argo that liqide cooled for cab heat.the old listers had a steel wire coil in the intake to start them. Also you will never get the belt tight enough pulling on the engene an keep steady presser. Just burning up the belt. Look how the drive belt on a snow blower or old back braking garden tiller. It has a L shaped steel plate with a heavy spring to pull the lever back off the belt. At the bottom corner of the L is a bolt with a shoulder so it not over tighten an on end of the L is a 3" roller. A linkage is hooked to the top of the L lever. You pull that until it go over center lock belt tight providing the engen mounted Solid
First, bolt the Poney Motor (PM) down, making sure the engine is secured tight and the belt is also tight. As you sit in the dozer, feel down to the left where you found that lever before. That will engage the PM to turn the dozer engine over, but before all that, you need to make sure of other things.
Check the oil dip stick to see if water has gotten in. If there are signs of water, oil will be a milky light brown colour, and the head gasket could be blown, easy fix. Look inside the oil filler cap, too, for the same sign. If the oil is black, that's good.
Next is fuel.
The diesel could be very old. If it is, it will smell a bit like polish. If it were me, I would drain the diesel into a container and use fresh. Don't discard the old diesel as it can still be used once the engine is running properly. You just add a little at a time to the new diesel, about half a gallon to a full tank.
Loosen the injectors and turn the engine over. One of you should turn the engine over while the other inspects the injectors. You can do this on your own with difficulty, but as there are two of you!
If fuel is leaking out of each injector as the engine is turning over, that's good. Tighten the injectors up.
If no fuel is leaking, then there could be an issue with the fuel pump. At which point you need to seek help from someone who knows what they are doing. See what youtubers are in your area who know about diesel engines in particular dozers and ask them to visit you.
Watch your video back. You will see smoke coming out of the exhaust. That, to me, tells me there is hope. What you really need is for someone to give that engine the once over, a full service if you like.
Next up, the undercarriage.
Check the tracks. They look OK on camera, but what about the drive sprockets? What about the track adjustment? If these need replacing, sell the dozer for repair or scrap. Get what you can for it. Take the money and run, just like the person who sold you the dozer in the first place did.
First lesson: When buying any mechanical machine, never, ever trust what the seller tells you. They will lie. They will say anything, just to sell their piece of junk.
Second lesson. Never buy a machine without testing it first. See it running, hear it running, and test it yourself. Try starting it, and if it won't start or there are strange grinding, crunching sounds, then don't buy it.
Third lesson: Always take someone with you who knows what they are talking about and knows what to look out for. If they say don't buy it, then don't buy it. As the expression goes; there are plenty more fish in the sea.
Fourth lesson: Don't buy the first machine you see. Yes, it may be a good buy. Even if your helper, the person who knows what they are doing tells you to buy it, don't! Go check out at least two other possibilities, then go for a cup of coffee and discuss your options.
Last lesson: If possible, look further a field, up to say 100 miles away. Always have options, just in case you return and find someone who has beaten you to it.
Oh, and I never agree to pay the asking price. Haggle a bit, just don't flash that cash. Keep it well hidden until the last moment you hand it over.
Why am I giving you these tips? Well, that's easy because, like you guys, I learnt the hard way.
I purchased a forklift. The seller told me it worked, that it was recently serviced but had just run out of gas. Gas as in gas, not petrol, not diesel and it was late afternoon on a Saturday.
The engine looked like new, heck, the whole forklift looked great, exactly what I was looking for. Apart from the brand new Volvo diesel forklift sat in his workshop. That was a beauty.
The seller agreed to deliver it on Monday because the trailer I had was steadily booked for the following week and i had to drop it off before11am Sunday.
Monday came, and I was so excited. We had been without a forklift for almost two weeks, losing business, then, our replacement arrived.
The guy backed up his trailer into our workshop and rolled the forklift down. I asked why it was nit running but yhe guy said the gas company were backlogged and couldn't delivervuntil Thursday.
It moved easy with two of us giving it a push. Cash was handed over, £12,000 which was the asking price i hastily agreed too. But it didn't matter becsuse we had a new forklift. Well, new to us anyway.
After the guy left and I put the kettle on for a mug of tea for everyone my mechanic looked puzzled and scratched his head.
As I gave everyone their tea he asked me why I had purchased such a piece of junk? What, I asked. He said the engine is knackered and there are parts that are not even connected up.
It was obvious that the seller had duped me. When I looked it was not the same engine! The body was the same alright, same scratches, same dent on the engine cover but definitely not the same engine.
My mechanic did his best for three days. Connected the engine up, tryed getting the engine started but in the end we had to accept the engine was toast.
We reluctantly purchased a replacement reconditioned engine, a diesel engine for £6,000. New hydrolic hozes all round, fittings, even the breaks were knackered so they were overhauled.
There was some electrical work that had to be carried out and two gages replaced. Brand new diesel tank with all the ususl pipes and fittings.
The total amount paid out just to get the forklift working right, £9,389. The total price out of pocket paid in the end was £24,768. Thats 28,784€ or $31,496 or $42,061 Canadian.
I could have purchased an 18 month old reconditioned demonstration model Hyster forklift from the manufacturer with a 3 year guarantee for £31,400. If only I had done my research and not rushed into buying the first forklift I viewed.
I wish you well guys.
I learned a hard lesson, will you?
Use propane torch to preheat the intake manifold to facilitate starting. I would try hooking up the pony motor to the clutch. I think you will damage the pony motor putting the stress onto the pulley and engine crankshaft. Neat dog!
Hey Greg, I felt if I was there....My extra 60 Pounds of Muscle could have gotten that pony motor working correctly. LOL ha ha.....giggle giggle. =) Congrats on the new Pup.....Cool Stuff.
I wish I lived closer I grew up with those old buggers. Your right you need a bigger pony the original was gear drive about 16hp so a 13 with a belt tightener lever should do it. You haven't shown the leftside of the motor for the compression release to help starting it.
Read the last step here before trying again.
The pup motor is not the problem. Bolt down the pup motor so you can use the clutch to engage & disengage it. There should be a lever to allow the main engine to turn over faster by opening a valve to allow decompression. Then once it is spinning fast, close the valve. Clean the air filter as well as all fuel filters. Then bleed and prime the pump and injectors. I would add an ether injection fitting into the intake. There are factory ones, but you can make your own too. Heating the intake will also help because warm air is better than cold. Use a heat gun on the intake but try not to burn wires or get any one spot too hot. Bottom line, you need to first make sure you have compression, fuel and air. Timing of the injectors is necessary to make it run after you get it to fire. Make sure you have a way to shut it down via fuel cutoff, or air flow cutoff so it wont runaway.
Much better than my suggestion
If you use diesel fuel that was filled in summertime this might get fuzzy under winter conditions. Could you use fresh diesel with a winterizing Additive?
Greetings Joachim
Alan Clark .A really helpful TH-cam to watch is Diesel Creek, He is always buying old equipment, mostly diesels, and getting them running and, showing all the steps he takes. Some of his stuff is as old as yours. Love your vids. Cheers from U K.
good morning how are you guys doing today and I like what you guys are doing I guess you guys got a new toy to fix today all right well you guys work on that new toy and hope it works cuz you guys do definitely need it around the property text the property up better all right guys have a great day and God bless you
Great idea with the larger diameter pully on pony motor! It seems to be turning the engine pretty well. You might want a little bigger one if it doesn't cause to much drag on the pony motor. A couple people have already said to find a way to tighten the pony motor down with the belt tight, that would help you a lot. I noticed that you would spray the starting fluid, and then take your time trying to start it. Try spaying the starting fluid while you crank the engine. I think you will have better results. heating the intake manifold may help a little. Try to remember you are compensating for an old tired engine. I think you should fix the steering column shifter problem in the Chevy truck! Look on TH-cam, there is a bunch on those.
Great video, always fun to watch. You guys work well together.
Keep at the dozer you’ll get it going.
Can’t wait to see that thing running!
First off make sure to cover exhaust when not in use to keep rain out. I'd get the motor bolted down good first and the pulley size does make a difference, smaller on motor for more torque but less rpm's and larger on motor for more rpm's but less turning power. Worse thing for diesel motors is air in fuel system as far as hard starting. Suppose to be able to start pony and then engage it to turn diesel over so get the belt as tight as you can so it doesn't slip. Glow plugs help in cold weather too.
You definitely need to heat the motor up whether that’s with an oil pan heat pad or one that goes in the dipstick. It may not be a bad idea to send the injectors out to get rebuilt or just buy new ones depending on the price. If you let it sit for a while, make sure the fuel system is very well bled out of any air.
Try also turkish kangal.... one of the best lifestock protector... including you...
The float on the pony motor is probably sticking too
the idea of a pony motor was to start in cold weather ,the factory motor would be hoked up to the exhaust manifold to pre heat the air ,let the pony motor turn the big motor over till it warms up
Amazing what you can fix! Katie you know the transmission is next on the old pickup don’t you. 😮.
AWESOME puppy!! Can’t wait to see what she will do to scare off a predator!!! Maybe the easiest thing would be to have Katie spray while you are trying to crank. To much time is passing between spraying and starting to turn over. We know it runs when it is started. Good Luck with BOTH endeavors!!❤❤
You need to pull the compression release when starting the diesel
You need to spray starting fluid while its turning over. It was smoking so its trying to start. A magnetic engine heater on the oil pan would help as well
Thanks for the very nice video. A high oil level in the pony could indicate water with the oil. If so be by now you have a milk shake. Sincerely hoping the Cat becomes a helpful tool for you. The house exterior looks very nice. The days are getting longer. Ron PTL USA, Next to Canada.
do you have winter quality fuel and have the filters been changed so that there is no water or anything else, and in freezing weather you should put anti-icing in addition, as the old machines can withstand it, or put a little petrol in the mix, so a little is really not much
It’s clearly not cold enough for regular diesel to be a problem.
I love the old Pony Motors, they were a brilliant idea.
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You could bolt the motor down better as there is too much slack in the belt. 😊 when you pulled back it took up the slack and the motor was spinning and it did start it. Good luck you are doing great.
TH-cam channel Diesel Creek is all you need to learn about old heavy equipment. Matt is an expert machinery mechanic and has a vast collection
So Sweet Junipur has a new play mate 😊 She is one big puff ball. Love it. Welcome to the family, Aspen.
I can remember as a kid in winter hearing the pony motor on the road grader running for 10 or 15 minutes before they would get the diesel engine going. That was back in the 1950's
As someone who follows your channel and comes from the former Yugoslavia, I was pleasantly surprised that you got a dog that is originally from this part of Europe. It is difficult for everyone to pronounce the dog's name correctly, but the most correct pronounce in English is "sharplaneenatz". That dog breed was named after the Shar mountains that separates Serbia from Macedonia. It is true that the Turkish conquerors (Ottomans) brought large sheepdogs with them when they conquered this part of Europe and that some of their dogs probably evolved here into different breed. Greg was probably right (by chance) 🙂
Both of you are doing great work.
Best regards.
Yes larger pony motor with some type of clutch or pulley assembly would work on spinning the engine over better. But be prepared on a machine that old for other potential issues. Fuel system, steering clutches, track idlers, leaking hydraulic cylinders, low compression. I don’t want to be a downer and if you like working on machinery could be fun to restore. I don’t know if there is anybody near you that has a dozer you could hire for the day and if they are good at it they could do a lot in a day. Spend your time in what you’re good at.
Diesel Creek channel used a hand held gas saw modified with pully and belt.
Another great video. Welcome to Aspen, what a lovely dog. I used to share a home with a Pyrenean Mountain dog, I’ve no doubt related to these dogs way back when and they are still used today guarding flocks in mountains of France. The dogs are hugely intelligent, incredibly protective of stock and property in addition to being amazing soft family pets. I can see Aspen being the new STAR of ‘This Off Grid Life’. What a great start to 2024.
My impression is that starting a lerge diesel with a pony motor, you shoud have a decompression lever on the diesel - you use the pony motor to get the diesel spinning in the decompressed state, build some oil pressure, get the fuel flowing a bit ... then dump the compression lever and let the momentum of the diesel's flywheel do the starting - not the pony motor.
You defiantly need a bucket over that exhaust when not running. Also you need a way to preheat the engine especially the intake manifold. Carefully with a propane touch is a good way.
OK . This will work😁 . You need a 16 to 18 horse power motor with a hand clutch . A simple bar with pivot point and an idler pully to tension the belt FULL THROTTLE . REMOVE THE SPARK PLUGS IN THE PONY MOTOR ! Set the compression release on the CAT to firing position .. In COLD temps WARM the INTAKE manifold with a HEAT GUN inserted into the air stream . START CRANKING . Don't worry about the starting clutch it will AUTOMATICLY DISINGAGE if it is working as it should. PONY MOTORS are rebuildable . watch the Squatch 253 channel Thanks
You NEED to cover that exhaust pipe when storing the Cat.
Get a couple of fuel transfer pumps, one for gas and one for diesel. The new fuel can nozzles are crap. Guardian dogs are a great addition to a homestead. Welcome to Aspen. Thanks for the episode.
Hi , do what chriswright2870 said to do . went motor is rolling over then use starting fluid . and YES BAD MISTAKE sorry for you. dozer lot of $$$$$$$ to have.
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Hey Gang 👋 Greg, have you checked plugs, sterter, higher voltage batteries, fuel filter, air filter???? Just a thought,
God's Good Blessings to you and your beautiful family keep up the great work love U guys XOXOXO stay safe and healthy
Wrong time of year to be attempting to start a diesel! 😱 COLD FUEL! Anything that can heat that diesel motor would help! Portable heater? Glow plugs? Last resort; disconnect pm belt and create a tent around pm and diesel motor and run pm to create heat for diesel injectors! WOW! GOOD LUCK!!
Hej again from Germany, little Aspen, very nice!! The Name ist cool. >In Germany, Aspen are Benzin for Chainsaw ;.)
First, you need the smallest possible pulley on that pony motor. This will transfer more power at a slower speed.
Second, you need the proper width/depth of the V-belt. This may be impossible because the pulley on the dozer is likely NOT designed for a V-belt.
Third. If the belt is still slipping, you are going to need double sleeves.
Fourth, you need a better way to hold that pony motor tight. Even a turn buckle arrangement. I kept waiting for you to rip that gas tank off !
Get these things sorted out before buying a larger engine. Unless you you have a need for a 10-15 HP engine for other things.
Add a block heater. Even newer engines need help when it is cold.
Maybe you can contact Jesse Muller.. he’s a TH-camr that’s always buying equipment and fixing it.. he really knows his stuff
Love the new addition to the gang. What a gorgeous pup. Nothing wrong with having another animal. And she will help juniper as a playmate. Ive raised black,white and chocolate Labradors for my farm,smart and great protection and family dog,sorry about the dozer,u will find out whats wrong with it. Research on the dozer ,Good Luck!
Holy Cow man, you spray the Either in WHILE your cranking it over. You don't spray a little around the intake and then diddle around before turning the engine over. I don't know why you ALWAYS do everything the wrong and hard way.
Greg o have had a bunch of experience with old equipment and in my experience, it is very difficult to start those diesels in the best of circumstances when it's cold. I installed an electric block heater which goes right inline with a coolant hose. If you plug that in for a few hours but will make a world of difference in trying to start it! Good luck! Joe Maiato (RI)
I don't know anything bout dozer, much luck with it and hopefully helpful comments... love the new pup addition. Absolutely adorable ❤. Great playmate for juniper...❤ training seems to be working 🎉 so love watching you guys❤ happy new year to you 🎉🎉 keep sharing we'll keep watching ❤❤
Get an electric start conversion for the CAT; that's not the right motor to have on it. The tracks should have turned; something is wrong, perhaps mechanical. If they won't turn don't force them. Check your tension. Have you greased all your grease fittings? That is as much as I can advise you. I would trade it off in exchange for one that works, you certainly could use one. Tons of TH-cam rebuild sites would give their 👁teeth too have this machine to restore, but you need something that is reliable. You could work on this full-time for months and never get it to work properly, but your not a restoration site; not that you couldn't do it, I'm sure you could. I like you-guys site as it is, an adventure into self-reliance living off grid.
I don't know about the D4,but larger cat diesels have a compression release. This must be closed before the diesel will start. The pony motor was designed for the exhaust was routed through the exhaust manifold to warm the engine before disengaging the compression release.
This was a pain to watch tbh... you were clearly struggling and trying hard, but every time there was a little smoke from the exhaust, it seemed like you stopped where you should just keep it going... the pony motor definitely can run the main engine hot, if you see smoke at all, and you did... it's all about heating up the system, intake air, cylinders, engineblock, and that will take a while.
Bucket list: Fix belt and pony motor, fix clutch to engage main motor without you pulling the belt tight, fix glowplugs, try to preheat intake, and use starting fluid while kranking, not just before.
You should watch Nate Petroski he just got and is training his guarding dog Az. He’s an excellent through trainer. Maybe you could glean some info from him.
Aspen will be a good dog. I will give you an A for effort. The pony motor is not the problem. It is in fact turning over the diesel engine. I agree with the previous commenter, you need to use the clutch mechanism for the for the pony motor. The belt should always be tight and in place. So the problem lies with your diesel engine. Previous comments about a block/manifold hearter are excellent in cold weather statring. There are several things you need to look at on the diesel. Is the battery(s) able to operate the glow plugs. Are the glow plugs even functional? Check the diesel fuel for age, you may need to drain and it and add fresh fuel. Is your fuel pump working? Loosen the fuel tubing nuts at the injection ports and confirm the cylinders are actually getting fuel. If it runs on starting fluid but shuts down when starting fluid is removed, you probably have a fuel issue. Check you fuel filters and your air intake filter. Any of these issues could be preventing the diesel from running. I think your pony motor is just fine once properly adjusted. Good luck, looking forward to seeing it run again.
1. There is supposed to be a compression release lever to allow the motor to spin freely and get it warmed up and circulate the oil !!!
2. Put a new belt on the pony motor it's acting like it's stretching every use !!,
3. Brace the pony motor to the frame of the Caterpillar there shouldn't be that much deflection...
4. put a idler pully on the top side of the pony motor pully to keep the belt tight on the back side of the pull on the belt ...
5. If you could get a double pully on both pullys it might help with 2 belts.
I'm sure that isn't the correct pony motor for this set up but they may have not had a correct replacement
If you've done all of this build a small fire under the diesel engine allowing the heat to warm the oil and engine block the wind so it doesn't flair up and the heat rises to heat the motor... I personally put Sand oil and just enough Gas to get it going in a Dutch oven or a 5 Qt stock pot got it going the when stabilize put it under my Ford Festa to warm the engine @ -30F below zero or -34.444 * C just to get it going because I had gotten bad gas ⛽ with water in it and the gas lines froze
Some great advice here, but you might want to contact a fellow Canadian youtuber, king of obsolete 47.
He's very familiar with diesels
Nice fresh cute puppy but completely worn out dozer engine. By the way: One should definitely not use starting fluid on Diesel engines! If necessary, there is something major wrong.