Reading more about Imam as Sadiq, Imam Zayd, Imam Baqir and Imam Zainul Abideen made it clear that they were the representatives of Islam. I respect Imam Abu Haneefah and Imam Malik, but the Imams of Ahlul bayt carried the legacy of the Prophet(s).
If someone wants to be objective, it would be obvious that the ones who knew the Sunnah and life of the Prophet about a century after hijrah would have been the descendants of the Prophet himself. Take salat for example. Imam Jafar as Sadiq would have been taught how to pray by his father, and so on until it reaches the Prophet. So undoubtedly their Salat has a continuous unbroken chain back to their grandfather.
you can say whatever you like about mufti abu layth, and i myself disagree on many historical facts that the mufti claims, but one thing you have to admire and respect about mufti abu layth, is that he has his own mind, and own intellect. and he does not fall for pressure of sects/groups/cults/fanclubs. he speaks his own mind. we need more like mufti abu layth in this world.
Absolutely. And that allows his fan-base to be diverse, instead of a monolith, unlike all of those filmy sects and personalities that are out there to "refute" him.
Im a muslim and do not identify myself as sunni or shia . But after study enough all the Fiqh. Now my. Beliefs are there is ALLAH then Mohammad saaww And Quran and His family and then come others.
It may have been like the case of Hasan Al Basri rA who was a direct student of Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS but would not mention his name when transmitting religious knowledge but rather say " I heard the Prophet ....." although he had never met the prophet SAW.
@@Treasure-bl3cnalmost everyone did but there is a gradation of tadlis. Hasan Al Basri said that he can't say that he heard from hazrat ali, because of the environment of course.
You have to understand the political environment of that time. The ruling Ummayyad Khulapha were basically murderers of the Ahlul bayt. The Imam of Ahlul bayt were basically the dissidents and rivals of the political establishment. These Imams would have lost their following and influence if they adopted or propagated the school of Ahlul bayt.
@Azal Abadi Alot of these concepts of infallibility, divinity and ghulu (exaggerations) came from the certain people of Kufah who falsely attributed it to the Imams. People like Mughira ibn Sa’id, Abul Khattab and so on. Unfortunately many Shi’a of Kufa and later Qom propagated these false beliefs and attributed it to the Imams of Ahlul bayt. The Imams themselves denied these people and their beliefs. This is in Shi’a books.
Back then they were called Muslims. Labels like Sunni and Shia were introduced later. It's upsetting that the descendants or progeny of the prophet are labelled as the Shi'a imams, when really they were called Muslims, and are a wealth of knowledge for everyone. As a result of being labelled as Shia imams, they are often disregarded by many. The majority of people (not just the descendants of the prophet) opposed the rule of the ummayyad, Abbasid etc caliphs due to anti Islamic and corrupt practices
Ahsant ya Layth, you have spoken the truth. Sunnis are missing out on oceans of knowledge because our sunni scholars Do NOT narrate the most sahih advice of our Prophet i.e Hadith Thaqlain.
@ Romeo Grande I agree with you. Our local imam finally narrated this hadith. Now I call myself Muslim, I'm now more tolerant of others and open minded. For me Islam is observing 5 pillars, having good character, pure heart and fulfilling duties to others, doing good deeds 💖
@@khadijatulkubra207 Ahsant sister Khadija. However, the five pillars story is very limiting. This deen is much much more vast than we've been lead to believe. Do research on the differences between m'utazila Islam and A'shari Islam. Then do yourself a favour and study Islamic history to see what happened to the family of the Prophet (SAW) after his death. Also try and find out how his companions behaved on his deathbed and how his body was treated after his death. Who washed it and how long was it left to lie unburied. If you can please come and leave a comment here after you've done your research. To make this easy good Google: Incident of Qirtas, Event of Ghadeer Khum, Hadith ul Manzilah, Dawatul Ashira and Hadith al Kisa.
@@RocketAfriqueZA May Allah bless you with success in Deen dunya and akhirah for your advice. Ameen. I have a vague idea of what happened after the prophet passed away. O just think it's all in the past and can't be changed. It's upsetting that the past still affects the ummah today. Still having endless debates; it's time to let it go and unite 💓
@@khadijatulkubra207 I get where you are coming from but I think that's a mistake. History is very important. Yes we can't change it but it can help by giving us perspective and prevent us from repeating past errors. There's a reason the Quran talks so much about incidents and people of the past. This clearly shows how important it is to examine history truthfully and thoroughly. People who dont know they're history will inevitably go around in circles making the same mistakes
I definitely appreciate the honesty and position of Mufti. With this being said, his position opens a lot of questions. First off he states that his position does not give credibility to Shia theology however here's the problem: if you state that the Imams of Ahlul Bayt taught what the Shias believe the question has to be asked the where did they get those beliefs from? You are left with two options. 1) Each Imam received their teachings from the Imam before them leading all the way to the Prophet and therefore what they believed is actually the true Prophetic teachings 2) You believe that the Ahlul Bayt deviated from the Prophetic teachings. So which camp are you in? Either you accept that they were true or you state that they are deviants. Either way you are in a difficult position.
I personally mostly believe the first, but I think there is a third group: that within the students of the imams there were deviants who twisted the words of the imams. In a shia book itself (I cant remember which one right now) it says that Imam Muhammad al-Baqir saw some of the writings by the students of imam jafar al-sadiq compiled in a book and said that many of them were falsely attributed to him. Search "Sayid Kamal Al-Haydari fabrications in shia" and I think there's a translated video of this man talking about this view.
@@zccau2316 a believer does not need the approval of any scholars. No scholar has any power to assign anyone to heaven or hell. They themselves are dependent on the mercy of God. It's unfortunate that Muslims have become just like Jews and Christians, in worshiping their scholars and following sources other than the revelation of God, the Quran. Both Sunnis and Shias have deviated from Islam. They honor the Quran with their lips, but they don't really read, study or follow it. In fact most of them don't even believe that the Quran is sufficient in itself to guide them.
@@RocketAfriqueZA the issue is that ahlul bait get labelled as Shia imam, and that's damaging. Many just disregard them thinking they are irrelevant, and forget they are the descendants of the prophet. Need to refer to them as imam 💓
@@khadijatulkubra207 too bad how people feel. Fact is they are shia imams whether we like it or not. In fact they are imams of he whole umah but the sunnis reject them in favour of outsiders while he shia only take from the Prophet's family. So sad
An interesting topic maybe one that can be looked into much deeper, but I do feel that Mufti here is just speculating on top of speculating. I appreciate he is just airing his thoughts and ideas, which is cool but people shouldn't give them much more weight than that. Theres no evidence just a theory. There can be more plausible different theories which arguably have more weight. One that comes to mind is how much of the rulers of the early Islamic dynasties viewed the Ahlul Bayt with distrust and suspicion out of fear of losing their kingdom to them, when people felt oppressed then no one could have a greater rallying cry that the masses can gather around than one of the Ahlul Bayt this much is historical fact. Where we differ from Shias is that the Shias say only the Ahlul Bayt have the right to rule and that they are divinely appointed for this, then they go further on in exaggerations from here. The Sunnis have generally been apolitical (note apolitical not secular), as in they were neither from those who spoke in support of the rulers and neither were they of the those who spoke against them. They just sort of said let them carry on ruling as long as the fundamentals of Islam are secure, everyone should carry on focusing on the fundamentals and avoid strife. The Sunni position is that the imams of the Ahul Bayt also had similar views like this, though yes there are imams who rose up in rebellion just like there are other Sunni imams and figures who also rose up. Those were the exceptions. The imams of the Ahlul Bayt even if they were apolitical were still viewed as a threat by much of the rulers. The rulers did what they could to attempt to diminish the appeal in the public eyes of the stature of the Ahul Bayt, Yasir Qadhi even said that this might well have been the reason the house of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam was incorporated into Masjid Nabawi. The house of the Prophet was the property of the Ahul Bayt and the imam from the Ahul Bayt would teach people from the Prophets house and the people would gather round, imagine the symbolism of that. The ruler felt threatened and decided to expand the Masjid in that direction so that the house comes into the Masjid. With all that background in mind one can speculate that maybe the Sunni scholars learnt from the imams of the Ahlul Bayt but did not quote them, because to do so in the socio-political context of the time could appear to be taking a political stance which was something the Sunnis generally avoided. It doesn't automatically follow that the imams of the Ahlul Bayt must have all believed they are the divinely appointment true rulers of the ummah, that is a massive assumption.
Another point just to add that nevertheless Some Sunni imams did openly praise the imams of the Ahlul Bayt and they did get "heat" from those in authority who spread accusations of them being Shia. Imam Shafii actually wrote a poem that if loving the Ahlul Bayt means I am Shia then I am a Shia of the first rank, if loving the Ahlul Bayt is a sin then its a sin that I will never repent from and so on. This gives you an impression of the socio-political context of the time. In todays times Sunnis can openly express love of Ahlul Bayt, but in those times even that had consequences.
MashaAllah brother it s a very wise point of view, my point of view of ahlul bayt has also changed recently for having started to learn more about the socio political context of time. The knowledge of ahlul bayt clearly deserve more visibility in the sunni world. BarakaAllahu fikum
As a shia what I think where sunnis go wrong is. They say ali couldn't be the successor of thr prophet cuz then it would mean that Islam has a dynastic rule where the kin of the prophet rules over the Muslims. But if look at the course of history. Muawiya established dynastic rule anyways. Even if Sunnis say yea well it didn't last for long. Dynasties ruled later on through out Islamic history so. The shia claims of ahlebait ruling over the muslims out of divine right doesnt seem bad. If ppl establish dynasties by force anyways then ahlebait ruling over Muslim's isn't an unIslamic idea
@@walkingdead7115 yep I ask myself the same question all the time just like you did. It’s a pretty strong point to present. Even in this modern world almost 70% of the rulers are someway or the other connected to the dynasties so, nepotism again prevails even Imam Mohammed Al Mahdi (AS) will be from Ahlul Baith as per both Shia and Sunnah so, why haven’t entire Muslim masses supported Ahlul baith fully is still a question. May Allah unite us all and lot of love to you from a Sunnah brother. Wassalam WRBTH
I do not believe Shia or Sunni I am Muslim I do five pillars of Islam, to me just do what prophet did in a very simple way 1 good deeds 2 pray 3 fast 4 be present at mosques as much as u can 5 show good characteristic & humble 6. Avoid all wrong doing 7 be active with ur family and friends 8 seek knowledge 9 read the Quran and Hadith plus compare the Hadith that’s in ur best acceptance. U do above list u should not worry about sunny or Shia or mathabs.
You read Quran kindly act upon this Quranic order At-Tawba (9:119) یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللّٰہَ وَ کُوۡنُوۡا مَعَ الصّٰدِقِیۡنَ O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who are true. find and recognize the true one and be with him/them.
@@hussainasad7988 Because the "hadith" you have about him are lies and false. The hadith we have about him are real. And he was a sunni, married a sunni and married his children to sunnis.
I've listened to Engineer Mirza on this too, and Abu Layth sounds more honest. But I think even he falls short of admitting that there seems to have been deep conflict between the "Ahlus Sunnah" and the school of Ahlulbayt (a.s).
Nothing new with sunnis following the distorted students rather than following the source. Just like following the “companions” rather than the Prophet and who he left behind.
@Azal Abadi He wasn’t a Kaysani but more like Imam Zayd. Off course the Zaydi school was not really formed at that time as an established school. The Ithna Asharism was a later invention. None of the Imams of Ahlul bayt believed in the Twelver doctrine as we have it today.
@Azal Abadi Book of Sulaym is fabricated. The hadeeth of 12 Khulapha in the Sunni books is a fabrication of the Israeliyaat. In the Twelver books all the ahadeeth about the 12 Imams are obvious fabrications. Created later to justify the ceasing of the Imamate after al Askari. After Al Askari died the Imami’s went in a state of major confusion known as the Hayra. Some became Sunnis, some Zaydis, some Waqifis and so on. The scholars fabricated the 4 deputies to maintain their rule.
@@bbaa9447 lool everything that contradicts you is a "fabrication" :D the hadith about the 12 imams/leaders. is not only mentioned mutawatir by your narrators, but actually even the umayyads and the abbasids believed in it and tried to make up their own 12 imams/leaders. and theirs even a refrence to it in the Quran itself. if you actually look at history you will find that after the prophet died, there were only 2 factions: the ummayids and the Shias. the ummayids would later be defeated by the persian Abbasids, and a mix of the ummayids and beliefs from the persian Abbasids, and like mufti said a mix of the Zubairi theology, a mix of the khawarij and mu'tazila, you will get the sunnis sect being created about 300 years after the prophet dies.
ALi bin talib r.o and Jafar asideek r.o both are men of truth(hak). An when considered that there is so much crap stashed within sunni liturature, that crap and truth do not mix. ie surah 2:256 truth stands out clear from error - qat tabyanar rush doe minal gay. and the foul past scribes knew so, so that's why u don't get within sunni narrations, info from the best lot. That includes Abu Baker ie Abu Baker r.o would have been very knowledgable! But we hear hardly nothing from him in sunni sources. (wat I say is an opinion)
At that time, if you are known as a supporter of Imam Ja'far and you have a powerful infulence, you would easily got trouble or even a death sentence from the muawiya. But no historical evidence from both or any sides could denied that Imam Ja'far is a teacher of Imam Malik.
@@enkaan1676 my mistake dear, what i meant is umayya dynasty. but the oppressing is already began when muawiya rules and so on. those who dont follow the ruler shall be punished or killed or poisoned at their times. if you follow them you will be safe prosper like the imams of madzhab. if you not, you will be have a same destiny like imam ja'far and the follower of ahlul ba'it.
@@principlemethods5281 source? Go and do some research if you want the truth go look at history not everything going to be handspooned to you. Biggest proof is all 11 imams starting from Imam Ali(as) ending with Hasan Askari(as) were brutally tortured murdered or poisoned to death. What do you think would happen to their companions?
@@MuftiAbuLayth thoughts on Hassan Allahyari sir g? According to Shia sources anyone who doesn't say the shahada of 12 imams will be ahle kitab in dunya and a dog of the hellfire in afterlife. Should I say that shahada or not. I come from traditional sunni background
To address your comparison of visiting Islamic shrines to worshipping idols, consider this: What is the difference between visiting the shrine of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and visiting a shrine of Krishna, the Hindu god? This question highlights the absurdity of equating the two practices.
malik Ibn Anas's madhab come into power under the abbasid Khallifat Al Mansour. Sunni islam got the power to spread their religion. Shia islam has the struggle from day one!!!
Whenever mufti says “I think” or “this is my theory” I say to myself may God protect us from this next abomination of an opinion on this deen. However I always listen on just out of interest lol
@Zayed Goki every sunni country has already gone down mate and Iran is the only nation in he ME they cant mess with. I dare your US masters to try anything funny and see what happens.
Shias consider their Imams to be infallible and chosen by Allah. This is such common knowledge and nobody from the Shia either the clergy or a common man would deny it..
its clear the governments (ummayads) did allow perservation or spreading of the ahl bayts narrations or knowledge or views - so sad because most muslims would just follow their madhab if it was perserved.
Imam jafar As Sadiq (AS) was a Shia And he is great grandson of Muhammad ibn Abubakr (Ra) the son of Abubakar. Muhammad ibn Abubakr was a person who believed imam Ali (AS) was on huq. And he was very close to Imam Ali (AS). He supported Imam Ali (AS). He was killed mercilessly by Muaviyah. He have huge respect in Shia Community. were as sunni don't respect the son of Abubakar and brother of Ayesha.
@@alishahussain2108 these are all lies. Everything u said is written in the false books. Shiaism started from kufa after the karbala. The betrayal by the kufans is the reason Hussain (R) died. Don't use the term- "AS", it only belongs to prophets. Please do some research, if u r sincere and honest, Alllah(SWT) will show u the truth.
@@shafqatishan437 Kufa people Didn't support him due to some reason. But killers were yazeedi army. And Yazeed bin muaviya killed imam Hussain (as) today nasbis praise yazeed a lot and call him (radhiallah) they are the killers.
There are reports from the Salaf that Imam Jafar sadiq ru was weak in hadith, or err’d in hadith as his memorisation wasn’t strong thus transmission wasn’t done from him that much.
Bro he was from the family of the prophet. We are normal people and our parents share so many stories about our grandparent sand great grand parents. Ofc he would have asked questions growing up and would have been taught the knowledge from a direct chain of people leading to the prophet pbuh
Can it be possible that malik or hanifa didn't transcend anything from imam jafar Sadiq because they were afraid if they do so the khalifa or ruler may kill imam jafar. Because the khalifa of the time was a rival and enemy to imam because of his family lineage and his influence over people. So Malik and hanifa showed as if they did not get anything from imam ,just to protect the imam.??? Student can do that type of stuff to protect beloved teacher from government etc. Can't it be possible???
The shadow of political influences did come over some of the hadith narrators which is aknowledged by their own early imams. Like az zuhri was close to the leadership. But then az zuhri did seem to narrate many things that shias use... So did ue have some shism.... Ithink in those times the lines were very much blurred.... And shism then was vert different to shism we see today.... Just like sunni beleif and methodology was different then compared to the hardcore dogmatists today of the salafis and deobandis
Was there no reliable 3rd party in history that was neither sunni or shia but neutral and had hadiths from the ahlul bayt? I really want wish to know the views of the ahlul bayt
Be careful not to become like Christians whereby they include Paul's writings together with possibly the Injeel, and call Paul's writing as Kalam of Allah. Whether Ibn Kathir, Imam Jafar, At Tabari etc whoever writes anything must say if it's writer's words or the Prophet's hadeeths. If its Prophet's hadeeths there must be a chain or at least some indication that this saying is from Prophet. If nothing is mentioned then does that saying coming from Prophet, or does it the scholar's own words?
they actually were Shias, not only them but many sahaba were shias. for example the last sahabi to be alive Abu tufayl was a Shia: Imam Al-Dhahabi: " *Abi Tufayl's* name is Aamir bin Wathla bin Abdullah bin Umar Ishi Kinani Hijazi, *who is a Shi'ee.* *He was one of the* Shi'ee of Alee (r.a)." Source: Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala. Vol. 3, Pg. # 467 - 469, Person # 97.
An honest sunni can't hide that they were shia you look who were their closest companions of theirs, even books of rijal will state they were rafidi. Even sunnis source will admit the links just because of caliphs of their times they couldn't all say openly state but it was well known in their circles. Why were they persecuted by rulers of their time? because they knew they were the imams but because they never tried to take power we can't this false claim they never said they were. It was far more than few had love for progeny where did you make that up from? You don't have clue on anything about their lives. You just repeating what some sheikh told you who doesn't want to admit something which looks bad for them. Both Imam Hassan and Hussain even in sunni sources claimed imamate openly. that isn't great love as you claim.
Are you a Muslim Scholar? I don't care if you are shia or sunni but a true scholar will never have an outfit like you. For example: The beard style, haircut, eyebrow, earrings and so on Feel sorry for muslim like you who doesn't apply Islam to himself and then try to portray himself as a Muslim Scholar.
Yes they are for the Sunnis as much as for the Shias. No one cares about your theory Mufti sahib, thats just your own opinion, not binding at all to follow, although we respect it. 🙂😀
History tells us that they r respect each other so why cant todays scholars of the two school also do ? Sectarian war today must stop, and its scholars both syiah and sunni duty to stop. Lets agree to disagree and still we are one brothers and sisters
@Azal Abadi everyone acknowledges what happened was not right. The rivalry between Babu Ummayyah and banu Hashim, Islam's bloody history is still affecting Muslims today. The past has gone and can't be undone. We need to stop using labels and call ourselves Muslims. The West is using sectarianism as a tool to divide and destroy us. We should all let the past go, love fellow humanity and not hold any thing in our heart towards anyone and unite 💓
Calm down bro. As Muslims, the vast overwhelming majority of the Ummah agrees that we should live peacefully with the other Muslim sects, but this doesn’t mean we would stop criticizing each other. As Sunnis we will always criticize the Shi’ah doctrines, but in public, we will always be affectionate with them. Don’t confuse theological debates with violent sectarianism.
As a sunni I respect the Ahlul Bayt, but I also think that some of the Shia added some innovations and then claimed that the Ahlul Bayt did it. All of those innovations added in, just resulted in adding fuel to the fire of Sunni vs Shia, when in reality we are A LOT closer than we think.
Like how umar made up tarawah prayer or how abu bakr stole fadak or how walid ibn khalid raped a woman and killed a muslim or how aisha who was supposed to stay home, waged war and got thousands of muslims killed.
@@asadturk9953 8th century history is not able to be proven, its very tough to prove, and history of the 2 sides is clear that sunni and shia view the history of the time very differently. Though you judge people you've never even met from 1000s of years ago, maybe you should dig a little deeper in the good that those people did, and really question were the capable of such evil? Remember, they have more value than you and me ever will...
@@ajmainekhan6238 Yes they were, its a historical fact that aisha fought agianst the caliph of islam, its a fact that umar invented tarawah, its a fact that fadak was taken from fatimah based on hadith that only abu bakr and aisha heard that the prophet does not leave inheritance which goes against the Quran since every single person can leave inheritance. If you deny the murders of aisha and the stealing habit of abu bakr then you have to deny all history.
Could it be that some imams from Ahlul bayt lineage incorrectly thought that power should be with them...thats why sunni imams avoided their narrations.
No, sir that's wrong. incorrectly?!?! You see, Ali ( Rad or A.s ) was taught by the prophet ( PBUH ) since he was born. From his childhood he was with Prophet ( PBUH ). He learned everything from prophet ( pbuh ) before and after Islam. And Ali taught those things to Hassan and Hussein ( Rad or A.S ) as well. Hussein taught them his sons and his middle son was his successor, who his name was Ali that Shiites call him Sajjad ( because they don't wanna make mistakes among their Imams' names. Because four out of twelve of their Imams' names are Ali ). Then Sajjad taught those thing to Muhammad Baqir and he taught to his son Ja'afar sadiq and he taught them to his son Musa Kadhim ( The seven Imam was not Ishmael, because Ishmael he himself has also said that, "go to my brother, he is your Imam O! you people" ). Then he taught them to his son Imam Ridha, then to his son Imam Muhammad Javad, then to his son Imam Hadi then to his son Imam Hassan Askari. Then his son Imam Muhammad ( Imam Mahdi ) who had to occultation. The first one was short and the second one is until now and goes on yet. - The first one was until his 5 year old age. _ According to some past Sunni scholars he is also the twelve Imam of Sunnis: - Kanji Shaphei says that "name of his father is name of my father" is not right but he says also probably if it is true it means that he is from descendant of Hussain not Hassan, because Hussain's metaphoric name is "abu-abdillah" and he says also the real narration is "name of his father is name of my son" because ibn and ab in Arabic have kind of the same writings and in that time words used to be written without dots in Arabic ابني = my son ابي = my father Fakhruddin Radi who is a sunni and a scholar says that "he is born and he is the son of Hassan Askari the eleventh Imams of Shiites." And also Asemi Makki other Sunni scholar says that "his son, Muhammad, is the only son of him who is the Imam Mahdi the son of Hassan Askari" SOURCE = Al-Razi Al-Shafi’i, Fakhruddin Muhammad bin Omar Al-Tamimi (died in 404 AH), The Blessed Tree in the Ansab of Talbiyah, p. 78-79. Source = Al-Asim Al-Makki, Abdul-Malik bin Hussein bin Abdul-Malik Al-Shafi’i (died 1111 AH), Samat Al-Awali stars in the news of the first and successive ones, volume 4, p. 150,
Imam Malik narrates more than 12 hadiths in Muwatta. The problem is that most of Ahl al-Bayt imams were infested with bad narrators and liars according to the Shia Books.
@Azal Abadi You are not aware of Shia Scholarly research on science if Rijal. Read for example : Rijal al-Kashi, there are loads of complians by Shia imams about supposed followers spreading loads of lies and extremist views ( ghuluw).
@Azal Abadi imam Jafar al-Sadiq used to say : its so sad that i cannot find one trustworthy narrator so i can trust him with my knowledge. His father al-Baqer said the same thing. One of those liars was Jaber b. Yazid Ju3fi who narrated thousands of narrations from imam Baqer, and imam Jafer said he only met my father once.
@@ny-ne6jq According to Shia scholars he is considered to be a great narrator, so as Azal said, you are saying this cuz of your sectarian bias. You just called one of the Shias thiqa narrator a liar. this is what our scholars say about him: Al-Ya'qubi mentioned Jabir among Shi'a jurists of Umayyad and Abbasid periods. Al-Shaykh al-Mufid recorded his name among the scholars about whom there was no negative reports. Ibn Shahrashub mentioned Jabir as one of the close companions of Imam al-Sadiq (a) and the door to the knowledge of Imam al-Baqir (a). Al-Khoei acknowledged Jabir's authenticity and counted him as a great Shi'a narrator who was highly acclaimed by the two Imams. Truth is you guys do not follow the Ahlulbayt and have made up these stories of calling their companions liars etc.
@@mohmedkasifmk7234 according to some sunni scholars He is yet to be born... But some sunni scholars like Al Sha'rani , Ibn Arabi etc, agree with the Shia doctrine... And i believe it too...
@@nawab-e-trivandrum5526 can u give reference because wilayat was transferred to sayyed abdul qadir gilani r.a. if imam mahdi has born y would that be necessary and plz give me the reference abou ibn arabi r.a and other auliya e kiram r.a.
Imam Jafar Sadiq states I hope for intercession from Sayyiduna Ali on the Day of Judgment as much as I do from Sayyiduna Abu Bakr. Tahzeeb al Kamaal Fi Asmaa ir Rijaal
Reading more about Imam as Sadiq, Imam Zayd, Imam Baqir and Imam Zainul Abideen made it clear that they were the representatives of Islam. I respect Imam Abu Haneefah and Imam Malik, but the Imams of Ahlul bayt carried the legacy of the Prophet(s).
I agree
If someone wants to be objective, it would be obvious that the ones who knew the Sunnah and life of the Prophet about a century after hijrah would have been the descendants of the Prophet himself.
Take salat for example. Imam Jafar as Sadiq would have been taught how to pray by his father, and so on until it reaches the Prophet. So undoubtedly their Salat has a continuous unbroken chain back to their grandfather.
@Azal Abadi Abu Hanifah and the early Hanafis did not take ahadeeth from Abu Huraira.
@@bbaa9447 yep, Abu Hurayrah seems a shady character. Or was he just naive?
@Azal Abadi that's a funny hadith. And I have no problem accepting what Jafar Al Sadiq said.
you can say whatever you like about mufti abu layth, and i myself disagree on many historical facts that the mufti claims, but one thing you have to admire and respect about mufti abu layth, is that he has his own mind, and own intellect. and he does not fall for pressure of sects/groups/cults/fanclubs. he speaks his own mind. we need more like mufti abu layth in this world.
@ Sayf Ali I agree with you 💓
Absolutely. And that allows his fan-base to be diverse, instead of a monolith, unlike all of those filmy sects and personalities that are out there to "refute" him.
Is he a shia or a sunni?
@@acupofjoe7658 sunni ofc
@@acupofjoe7658 he is a Muslim. A beliver of God.
Im a muslim and do not identify myself as sunni or shia . But after study enough all the Fiqh. Now my. Beliefs are there is ALLAH then Mohammad saaww And Quran and His family and then come others.
@ curious one 💓
You have become Shi'a, Alhamdulillah
Alhamdulilah
@@RocketAfriqueZA my ancestor is imam jafar al sadiq but i am sunni
@@z4kry44 may Allah guide you to the path of ahlulbayt
Indeed the Imams of Ahlul Bayt (asws) called people to the Wilaya of Amir al Mo'mineen Ali Ibn Abi Talib (asws).
This is what the sunnah is. Wilayah of ali is accepted in sunni islam.
This is the most open and unbiased opinion from the mufti, thank you for your rationality.
It may have been like the case of Hasan Al Basri rA who was a direct student of Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS but would not mention his name when transmitting religious knowledge but rather say " I heard the Prophet ....." although he had never met the prophet SAW.
did he also do tadlis?
@@Treasure-bl3cn yes
@@Treasure-bl3cnalmost everyone did but there is a gradation of tadlis. Hasan Al Basri said that he can't say that he heard from hazrat ali, because of the environment of course.
So the Sunni Imam feared the Sunni populace would have ostracized or harmed them for transmitting from Imam Jafar sadiq??
@Azal Abadi
Imam Jafar Sadiq called himself Shia ???
@Azal Abadi
Sunnis follow his students instead...I’m confused by this.
You have to understand the political environment of that time. The ruling Ummayyad Khulapha were basically murderers of the Ahlul bayt. The Imam of Ahlul bayt were basically the dissidents and rivals of the political establishment. These Imams would have lost their following and influence if they adopted or propagated the school of Ahlul bayt.
@Azal Abadi Alot of these concepts of infallibility, divinity and ghulu (exaggerations) came from the certain people of Kufah who falsely attributed it to the Imams. People like Mughira ibn Sa’id, Abul Khattab and so on. Unfortunately many Shi’a of Kufa and later Qom propagated these false beliefs and attributed it to the Imams of Ahlul bayt. The Imams themselves denied these people and their beliefs. This is in Shi’a books.
Back then they were called Muslims. Labels like Sunni and Shia were introduced later. It's upsetting that the descendants or progeny of the prophet are labelled as the Shi'a imams, when really they were called Muslims, and are a wealth of knowledge for everyone. As a result of being labelled as Shia imams, they are often disregarded by many. The majority of people (not just the descendants of the prophet) opposed the rule of the ummayyad, Abbasid etc caliphs due to anti Islamic and corrupt practices
Ahsant ya Layth, you have spoken the truth. Sunnis are missing out on oceans of knowledge because our sunni scholars Do NOT narrate the most sahih advice of our Prophet i.e Hadith Thaqlain.
@ Romeo Grande I agree with you. Our local imam finally narrated this hadith. Now I call myself Muslim, I'm now more tolerant of others and open minded. For me Islam is observing 5 pillars, having good character, pure heart and fulfilling duties to others, doing good deeds 💖
@@khadijatulkubra207 Ahsant sister Khadija. However, the five pillars story is very limiting. This deen is much much more vast than we've been lead to believe. Do research on the differences between m'utazila Islam and A'shari Islam. Then do yourself a favour and study Islamic history to see what happened to the family of the Prophet (SAW) after his death. Also try and find out how his companions behaved on his deathbed and how his body was treated after his death. Who washed it and how long was it left to lie unburied. If you can please come and leave a comment here after you've done your research. To make this easy good Google: Incident of Qirtas, Event of Ghadeer Khum, Hadith ul Manzilah, Dawatul Ashira and Hadith al Kisa.
@@RocketAfriqueZA May Allah bless you with success in Deen dunya and akhirah for your advice. Ameen. I have a vague idea of what happened after the prophet passed away. O just think it's all in the past and can't be changed. It's upsetting that the past still affects the ummah today. Still having endless debates; it's time to let it go and unite 💓
@@RocketAfriqueZA I also think that as only the Quran is sahih, everything else can be questioned 💓
@@khadijatulkubra207 I get where you are coming from but I think that's a mistake. History is very important. Yes we can't change it but it can help by giving us perspective and prevent us from repeating past errors. There's a reason the Quran talks so much about incidents and people of the past. This clearly shows how important it is to examine history truthfully and thoroughly. People who dont know they're history will inevitably go around in circles making the same mistakes
I definitely appreciate the honesty and position of Mufti. With this being said, his position opens a lot of questions. First off he states that his position does not give credibility to Shia theology however here's the problem: if you state that the Imams of Ahlul Bayt taught what the Shias believe the question has to be asked the where did they get those beliefs from? You are left with two options. 1) Each Imam received their teachings from the Imam before them leading all the way to the Prophet and therefore what they believed is actually the true Prophetic teachings 2) You believe that the Ahlul Bayt deviated from the Prophetic teachings. So which camp are you in? Either you accept that they were true or you state that they are deviants. Either way you are in a difficult position.
I personally mostly believe the first, but I think there is a third group: that within the students of the imams there were deviants who twisted the words of the imams. In a shia book itself (I cant remember which one right now) it says that Imam Muhammad al-Baqir saw some of the writings by the students of imam jafar al-sadiq compiled in a book and said that many of them were falsely attributed to him. Search "Sayid Kamal Al-Haydari fabrications in shia" and I think there's a translated video of this man talking about this view.
@@Jayola111brother, Muhammad Al Baqir was the father of Ja'far, he had long died before Imam Jafar became a teacher and his teachings were compiled.
Appreciate your honesty.
Why Imam Ali A did not fight after the prophet (S):
th-cam.com/video/JgYszRxSh0E/w-d-xo.html
This guys a heretic in Sunni circles 😂
Is he a shia?
@@zccau2316 a believer does not need the approval of any scholars. No scholar has any power to assign anyone to heaven or hell. They themselves are dependent on the mercy of God. It's unfortunate that Muslims have become just like Jews and Christians, in worshiping their scholars and following sources other than the revelation of God, the Quran. Both Sunnis and Shias have deviated from Islam. They honor the Quran with their lips, but they don't really read, study or follow it. In fact most of them don't even believe that the Quran is sufficient in itself to guide them.
Thank you for your perspective and your respect, love brother
I wonder how many so called ahlul sunnah know about these facts
Less than 1%
For sure 99% have no idea. I lived as a sunni my whole life and had no idea even about karbala
@@RocketAfriqueZA the issue is that ahlul bait get labelled as Shia imam, and that's damaging. Many just disregard them thinking they are irrelevant, and forget they are the descendants of the prophet. Need to refer to them as imam 💓
@@khadijatulkubra207 too bad how people feel. Fact is they are shia imams whether we like it or not. In fact they are imams of he whole umah but the sunnis reject them in favour of outsiders while he shia only take from the Prophet's family. So sad
that was the right answer, thank you mufti
Love u Sir..U made it easy to follow religion..love from India❤️
An interesting topic maybe one that can be looked into much deeper, but I do feel that Mufti here is just speculating on top of speculating. I appreciate he is just airing his thoughts and ideas, which is cool but people shouldn't give them much more weight than that. Theres no evidence just a theory.
There can be more plausible different theories which arguably have more weight.
One that comes to mind is how much of the rulers of the early Islamic dynasties viewed the Ahlul Bayt with distrust and suspicion out of fear of losing their kingdom to them, when people felt oppressed then no one could have a greater rallying cry that the masses can gather around than one of the Ahlul Bayt this much is historical fact.
Where we differ from Shias is that the Shias say only the Ahlul Bayt have the right to rule and that they are divinely appointed for this, then they go further on in exaggerations from here. The Sunnis have generally been apolitical (note apolitical not secular), as in they were neither from those who spoke in support of the rulers and neither were they of the those who spoke against them. They just sort of said let them carry on ruling as long as the fundamentals of Islam are secure, everyone should carry on focusing on the fundamentals and avoid strife.
The Sunni position is that the imams of the Ahul Bayt also had similar views like this, though yes there are imams who rose up in rebellion just like there are other Sunni imams and figures who also rose up. Those were the exceptions.
The imams of the Ahlul Bayt even if they were apolitical were still viewed as a threat by much of the rulers.
The rulers did what they could to attempt to diminish the appeal in the public eyes of the stature of the Ahul Bayt, Yasir Qadhi even said that this might well have been the reason the house of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam was incorporated into Masjid Nabawi. The house of the Prophet was the property of the Ahul Bayt and the imam from the Ahul Bayt would teach people from the Prophets house and the people would gather round, imagine the symbolism of that. The ruler felt threatened and decided to expand the Masjid in that direction so that the house comes into the Masjid.
With all that background in mind one can speculate that maybe the Sunni scholars learnt from the imams of the Ahlul Bayt but did not quote them, because to do so in the socio-political context of the time could appear to be taking a political stance which was something the Sunnis generally avoided. It doesn't automatically follow that the imams of the Ahlul Bayt must have all believed they are the divinely appointment true rulers of the ummah, that is a massive assumption.
Another point just to add that nevertheless Some Sunni imams did openly praise the imams of the Ahlul Bayt and they did get "heat" from those in authority who spread accusations of them being Shia.
Imam Shafii actually wrote a poem that if loving the Ahlul Bayt means I am Shia then I am a Shia of the first rank, if loving the Ahlul Bayt is a sin then its a sin that I will never repent from and so on.
This gives you an impression of the socio-political context of the time.
In todays times Sunnis can openly express love of Ahlul Bayt, but in those times even that had consequences.
@Khurram very well said yaar, i really liked your evaluation. DM me on insta.
much love #StayBlessed 🙌❤
MashaAllah brother it s a very wise point of view, my point of view of ahlul bayt has also changed recently for having started to learn more about the socio political context of time. The knowledge of ahlul bayt clearly deserve more visibility in the sunni world. BarakaAllahu fikum
As a shia what I think where sunnis go wrong is.
They say ali couldn't be the successor of thr prophet cuz then it would mean that Islam has a dynastic rule where the kin of the prophet rules over the Muslims.
But if look at the course of history. Muawiya established dynastic rule anyways.
Even if Sunnis say yea well it didn't last for long. Dynasties ruled later on through out Islamic history so.
The shia claims of ahlebait ruling over the muslims out of divine right doesnt seem bad.
If ppl establish dynasties by force anyways then ahlebait ruling over Muslim's isn't an unIslamic idea
@@walkingdead7115 yep I ask myself the same question all the time just like you did. It’s a pretty strong point to present. Even in this modern world almost 70% of the rulers are someway or the other connected to the dynasties so, nepotism again prevails even Imam Mohammed Al Mahdi (AS) will be from Ahlul Baith as per both Shia and Sunnah so, why haven’t entire Muslim masses supported Ahlul baith fully is still a question. May Allah unite us all and lot of love to you from a Sunnah brother.
Wassalam WRBTH
Very Interesting 🤔,
I do not believe Shia or Sunni I am Muslim
I do five pillars of Islam, to me just do what prophet did in a very simple way
1 good deeds
2 pray
3 fast
4 be present at mosques as much as u can
5 show good characteristic & humble
6. Avoid all wrong doing
7 be active with ur family and friends
8 seek knowledge
9 read the Quran and Hadith plus compare the Hadith that’s in ur best acceptance.
U do above list u should not worry about sunny or Shia or mathabs.
You read Quran kindly act upon this Quranic order
At-Tawba (9:119)
یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللّٰہَ وَ کُوۡنُوۡا مَعَ الصّٰدِقِیۡنَ
O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who are true.
find and recognize the true one and be with him/them.
Thanks for your honesty.
Do
You know who imam jaffar siddqiue was ???? He taught people like Abu hanifa !
abu hanifa use to learn from what hazrat e saddiq(S) use to say
@@detonati1 lol so why aren’t the Sunnis learning from imam jaffar siddqiue and why do they refer to them as Shia imams ???? Sunis are so lost !
@@hussainasad7988 Because the "hadith" you have about him are lies and false. The hadith we have about him are real. And he was a sunni, married a sunni and married his children to sunnis.
@@hussainasad7988 conspiracy theories get you nowhere
@@abdullahchoukri2597oh yes the 0 number of hadith in Bukhari and 3 hadiths in Muslim yeah yeah such a huge amount of number damn
I've listened to Engineer Mirza on this too, and Abu Layth sounds more honest. But I think even he falls short of admitting that there seems to have been deep conflict between the "Ahlus Sunnah" and the school of Ahlulbayt (a.s).
Its in the rihla 2014 , imam malik do transmitted , but also said by imam malik "ive always found imam jafar sadiq as in three positions of praying".
Bro can you quote the reference of book l would be thankful to you!
Nothing new with sunnis following the distorted students rather than following the source. Just like following the “companions” rather than the Prophet and who he left behind.
Would love to hear more on the narations of the Imams of the Ahlulbayt :)
Sorry for being so triggering 😳
Everyone needs to remember the ahlul bait are the progeny of the prophet so are for everyone 💓
@Zayed Goki You just salty bro
Me too
Sunni Sufis do follow Jafar Al Sadiq a.s.
Yes
Imam Malik was Imam Jafaars student
lol malik didn't trust Imam Jaafar, look at what dhahabi says about that
Of course sunni scholars wont accept ahlul bayt because if they did, they would of taken narrations of imam ali rather then abu hurara
ABU BAKER OMAR AISHA MUAWIYA YAZEED HAFSA OSMAN AND SONS OF AISHA FINNAR. ALL PRAISES BE ON IMAM JAFFER AL SADIQ PEACE OF GOD BE UPON HIM.
Abu Bakr AS is the true successor
Your views don’t mesh with the historical information that Nafs Az Zakiyyah was supported by Imam Malik and Abu Hanifah? Please discuss.....
Nafs al zakiya was anti-umayah(i.e muawiyah yazeed etc)
@Azal Abadi He wasn’t a Kaysani but more like Imam Zayd. Off course the Zaydi school was not really formed at that time as an established school.
The Ithna Asharism was a later invention. None of the Imams of Ahlul bayt believed in the Twelver doctrine as we have it today.
@Azal Abadi Book of Sulaym is fabricated. The hadeeth of 12 Khulapha in the Sunni books is a fabrication of the Israeliyaat.
In the Twelver books all the ahadeeth about the 12 Imams are obvious fabrications. Created later to justify the ceasing of the Imamate after al Askari.
After Al Askari died the Imami’s went in a state of major confusion known as the Hayra. Some became Sunnis, some Zaydis, some Waqifis and so on. The scholars fabricated the 4 deputies to maintain their rule.
@@bbaa9447 lool everything that contradicts you is a "fabrication" :D
the hadith about the 12 imams/leaders. is not only mentioned mutawatir by your narrators, but actually even the umayyads and the abbasids believed in it and tried to make up their own 12 imams/leaders. and theirs even a refrence to it in the Quran itself.
if you actually look at history you will find that after the prophet died, there were only 2 factions: the ummayids and the Shias.
the ummayids would later be defeated by the persian Abbasids, and a mix of the ummayids and beliefs from the persian Abbasids, and like mufti said a mix of the Zubairi theology, a mix of the khawarij and mu'tazila, you will get the sunnis sect being created about 300 years after the prophet dies.
He was a Zaydi, as Zaydi of today’s Yemen.
Please mufti study Imam Sadiq and Baqir with depth, it will be your loss if you do not inshallah
ALi bin talib r.o and Jafar asideek r.o both are men of truth(hak).
An when considered that there is so much crap stashed within sunni liturature, that crap and truth do not mix. ie surah 2:256 truth stands out clear from error - qat tabyanar rush doe minal gay. and the foul past scribes knew so, so that's why u don't get within sunni narrations, info from the best lot. That includes Abu Baker ie Abu Baker r.o would have been very knowledgable! But we hear hardly nothing from him in sunni sources.
(wat I say is an opinion)
Why would you not take anything off the great grandson of the prophet ??!?
At that time, if you are known as a supporter of Imam Ja'far and you have a powerful infulence, you would easily got trouble or even a death sentence from the muawiya.
But no historical evidence from both or any sides could denied that Imam Ja'far is a teacher of Imam Malik.
Lol , is this what Shias get taught? Lies? Because Muawiya had passed away just before Karbala. He wasn’t around when jafar was a teacher.
@@enkaan1676 my mistake dear, what i meant is umayya dynasty. but the oppressing is already began when muawiya rules and so on. those who dont follow the ruler shall be punished or killed or poisoned at their times. if you follow them you will be safe prosper like the imams of madzhab. if you not, you will be have a same destiny like imam ja'far and the follower of ahlul ba'it.
source?
@@principlemethods5281 source? Go and do some research if you want the truth go look at history not everything going to be handspooned to you. Biggest proof is all 11 imams starting from Imam Ali(as) ending with Hasan Askari(as) were brutally tortured murdered or poisoned to death. What do you think would happen to their companions?
How was Imam Jaafar be able to teach both Imam Abu Hanifah in Iraq and Imam Malik in Madinah if he were truly oppressed?
Ahlul baiyt imams are the true guidance,they came from the progeny of the keymaker. Key to the çity of knowledge
Brither , it is because the Sunni narrative is the Narrative of the rulers and rulers at the time were killing the Imam of Ahlulbait!
Only quran in my path.... ❤
Well Suni scholars are selective about which Hadiths they transmit and which scholars they accept their teachings.
ultimately everyone is biased, find me a soul that isnt.
Allah bless you
@@MuftiAbuLayth thoughts on Hassan Allahyari sir g? According to Shia sources anyone who doesn't say the shahada of 12 imams will be ahle kitab in dunya and a dog of the hellfire in afterlife. Should I say that shahada or not. I come from traditional sunni background
What is the diffrence between idol worshipper and shrine worshiper.
To address your comparison of visiting Islamic shrines to worshipping idols, consider this:
What is the difference between visiting the shrine of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and visiting a shrine of Krishna, the Hindu god?
This question highlights the absurdity of equating the two practices.
malik Ibn Anas's madhab come into power under the abbasid Khallifat Al Mansour. Sunni islam got the power to spread their religion.
Shia islam has the struggle from day one!!!
Based Mufti Abu Layth
then , transmission of islam is severely politicizes .... my take from this discussion
Whenever mufti says “I think” or “this is my theory” I say to myself may God protect us from this next abomination of an opinion on this deen. However I always listen on just out of interest lol
haha... yup... exactly
Your own mullahs have their own "theories" as well but they're arrogant enough to pass it off as the truth.
@Zayed Goki awful language my Muslim brother :(
No need for it
@Zayed Goki Beautiful sunni akhlaq mashallah 😂
@Zayed Goki every sunni country has already gone down mate and Iran is the only nation in he ME they cant mess with. I dare your US masters to try anything funny and see what happens.
Excellently explained
Most of commenters were wahabism
Shias consider their Imams to be infallible and chosen by Allah. This is such common knowledge and nobody from the Shia either the clergy or a common man would deny it..
Pardon me for asking. You are a Mufti in which country ?
Some ppl are triggered 💀💀💀
😂
i dont think theres any reason for me to get triggered because imam jafar al sadiq is my ancestor but i am sunni
its clear the governments (ummayads) did allow perservation or spreading of the ahl bayts narrations or knowledge or views - so sad because most muslims would just follow their madhab if it was perserved.
Imam Jafar Sadiq (R) were a maternal great great grandson of Abu Bakr (R). He spoke greatly of all the sahabi. You're very wrong to think he was shia.
Imam jafar As Sadiq (AS) was a Shia And he is great grandson of Muhammad ibn Abubakr (Ra) the son of Abubakar. Muhammad ibn Abubakr was a person who believed imam Ali (AS) was on huq. And he was very close to Imam Ali (AS). He supported Imam Ali (AS). He was killed mercilessly by Muaviyah. He have huge respect in Shia Community. were as sunni don't respect the son of Abubakar and brother of Ayesha.
The reason muaviyah killed Muhammad bin Abubakar (ra) because he was against usman.
@@alishahussain2108 these are all lies. Everything u said is written in the false books. Shiaism started from kufa after the karbala. The betrayal by the kufans is the reason Hussain (R) died. Don't use the term- "AS", it only belongs to prophets. Please do some research, if u r sincere and honest, Alllah(SWT) will show u the truth.
@@alishahussain2108 for starter, watch this video- th-cam.com/video/kxQ_YABUmJ8/w-d-xo.html
@@shafqatishan437 Kufa people Didn't support him due to some reason. But killers were yazeedi army. And Yazeed bin muaviya killed imam Hussain (as) today nasbis praise yazeed a lot and call him (radhiallah) they are the killers.
Spot on !
There are reports from the Salaf that Imam Jafar sadiq ru was weak in hadith, or err’d in hadith as his memorisation wasn’t strong thus transmission wasn’t done from him that much.
Ha Ha Ha
Good...
Kindly name that Salf who reported this and are from same era of imam jafar a.s
Bro he was from the family of the prophet. We are normal people and our parents share so many stories about our grandparent sand great grand parents. Ofc he would have asked questions growing up and would have been taught the knowledge from a direct chain of people leading to the prophet pbuh
Sunnah is to use right hand to eat or drink, this guy used his left hand
He mentioned in the description in some of his videos that the image is flipped so he actually is using his right hand
How unfortunate we take our religion from randoms and not the direct bloodline of Nabi SAWW as he told us to hold on to the Quran and Ahle Bayt.
Can it be possible that malik or hanifa didn't transcend anything from imam jafar Sadiq because they were afraid if they do so the khalifa or ruler may kill imam jafar. Because the khalifa of the time was a rival and enemy to imam because of his family lineage and his influence over people. So Malik and hanifa showed as if they did not get anything from imam ,just to protect the imam.??? Student can do that type of stuff to protect beloved teacher from government etc. Can't it be possible???
The shadow of political influences did come over some of the hadith narrators which is aknowledged by their own early imams.
Like az zuhri was close to the leadership. But then az zuhri did seem to narrate many things that shias use... So did ue have some shism.... Ithink in those times the lines were very much blurred.... And shism then was vert different to shism we see today.... Just like sunni beleif and methodology was different then compared to the hardcore dogmatists today of the salafis and deobandis
Mufti in black... Tay Jiva can’t control you know 😂🧔🏻❤️
Nawtty nawtty
Wut lol
Okay, Reza Rizvi said that Imam Jafar did not give ijazah to Malik or Abu Hanifa to transmit from him. Is there any truth to that?
Methodology is what they learnt
Was there no reliable 3rd party in history that was neither sunni or shia but neutral and had hadiths from the ahlul bayt? I really want wish to know the views of the ahlul bayt
I leave behind Quran and Ahlul Bayt AS...Hadith. Simple.
راجع كتاب روايات الامام جعفر بن محمد الصادق في الكتب التسعة
Good job brother tank you
it is what it is
Be careful not to become like Christians whereby they include Paul's writings together with possibly the Injeel, and call Paul's writing as Kalam of Allah. Whether Ibn Kathir, Imam Jafar, At Tabari etc whoever writes anything must say if it's writer's words or the Prophet's hadeeths. If its Prophet's hadeeths there must be a chain or at least some indication that this saying is from Prophet. If nothing is mentioned then does that saying coming from Prophet, or does it the scholar's own words?
They were not shia but at least 3 of the 4 imams had great love for the progeny
they actually were Shias, not only them but many sahaba were shias. for example the last sahabi to be alive Abu tufayl was a Shia:
Imam Al-Dhahabi:
" *Abi Tufayl's* name is Aamir bin Wathla bin Abdullah bin Umar Ishi Kinani Hijazi, *who is a Shi'ee.* *He was one of the* Shi'ee of Alee (r.a)."
Source: Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala. Vol. 3, Pg. # 467 - 469, Person # 97.
An honest sunni can't hide that they were shia you look who were their closest companions of theirs, even books of rijal will state they were rafidi. Even sunnis source will admit the links just because of caliphs of their times they couldn't all say openly state but it was well known in their circles. Why were they persecuted by rulers of their time? because they knew they were the imams but because they never tried to take power we can't this false claim they never said they were.
It was far more than few had love for progeny where did you make that up from? You don't have clue on anything about their lives. You just repeating what some sheikh told you who doesn't want to admit something which looks bad for them. Both Imam Hassan and Hussain even in sunni sources claimed imamate openly. that isn't great love as you claim.
Haha how can you be a imam of islam when you dont love the ahlul bayt which the prophet clearly attached to the quran.
Are you a Muslim Scholar? I don't care if you are shia or sunni but a true scholar will never have an outfit like you.
For example: The beard style, haircut, eyebrow, earrings and so on
Feel sorry for muslim like you who doesn't apply Islam to himself and then try to portray himself as a Muslim Scholar.
Shia are shia because they relate with those imams its the fiqh which clicked with people which was not the shia imami fiqh
Haha that was my question he couldn’t
Answer !
he did but in a way most sunnis wont understand
🥰😇👍❤️
Shia imams are from blood line ahlulbait is people of the house
Yes they are for the Sunnis as much as for the Shias. No one cares about your theory Mufti sahib, thats just your own opinion, not binding at all to follow, although we respect it. 🙂😀
History tells us that they r respect each other so why cant todays scholars of the two school also do ? Sectarian war today must stop, and its scholars both syiah and sunni duty to stop. Lets agree to disagree and still we are one brothers and sisters
@Azal Abadi everyone acknowledges what happened was not right. The rivalry between Babu Ummayyah and banu Hashim, Islam's bloody history is still affecting Muslims today. The past has gone and can't be undone. We need to stop using labels and call ourselves Muslims. The West is using sectarianism as a tool to divide and destroy us. We should all let the past go, love fellow humanity and not hold any thing in our heart towards anyone and unite 💓
Calm down bro. As Muslims, the vast overwhelming majority of the Ummah agrees that we should live peacefully with the other Muslim sects, but this doesn’t mean we would stop criticizing each other. As Sunnis we will always criticize the Shi’ah doctrines, but in public, we will always be affectionate with them. Don’t confuse theological debates with violent sectarianism.
As a sunni I respect the Ahlul Bayt, but I also think that some of the Shia added some innovations and then claimed that the Ahlul Bayt did it. All of those innovations added in, just resulted in adding fuel to the fire of Sunni vs Shia, when in reality we are A LOT closer than we think.
Like how umar made up tarawah prayer or how abu bakr stole fadak or how walid ibn khalid raped a woman and killed a muslim or how aisha who was supposed to stay home, waged war and got thousands of muslims killed.
@@asadturk9953 8th century history is not able to be proven, its very tough to prove, and history of the 2 sides is clear that sunni and shia view the history of the time very differently. Though you judge people you've never even met from 1000s of years ago, maybe you should dig a little deeper in the good that those people did, and really question were the capable of such evil? Remember, they have more value than you and me ever will...
@@ajmainekhan6238 Yes they were, its a historical fact that aisha fought agianst the caliph of islam, its a fact that umar invented tarawah, its a fact that fadak was taken from fatimah based on hadith that only abu bakr and aisha heard that the prophet does not leave inheritance which goes against the Quran since every single person can leave inheritance. If you deny the murders of aisha and the stealing habit of abu bakr then you have to deny all history.
Plz debate with Hasan allahyari on video call
Could it be that some imams from Ahlul bayt lineage incorrectly thought that power should be with them...thats why sunni imams avoided their narrations.
No, sir that's wrong.
incorrectly?!?!
You see, Ali ( Rad or A.s ) was taught by the prophet ( PBUH ) since he was born. From his childhood he was with Prophet ( PBUH ). He learned everything from prophet ( pbuh ) before and after Islam. And Ali taught those things to Hassan and Hussein ( Rad or A.S ) as well.
Hussein taught them his sons and his middle son was his successor, who his name was Ali that Shiites call him Sajjad ( because they don't wanna make mistakes among their Imams' names. Because four out of twelve of their Imams' names are Ali ). Then Sajjad taught those thing to Muhammad Baqir and he taught to his son Ja'afar sadiq and he taught them to his son Musa Kadhim ( The seven Imam was not Ishmael, because Ishmael he himself has also said that, "go to my brother, he is your Imam O! you people" ). Then he taught them to his son Imam Ridha, then to his son Imam Muhammad Javad, then to his son Imam Hadi then to his son Imam Hassan Askari. Then his son Imam Muhammad ( Imam Mahdi ) who had to occultation. The first one was short and the second one is until now and goes on yet.
- The first one was until his 5 year old age.
_ According to some past Sunni scholars he is also the twelve Imam of Sunnis:
- Kanji Shaphei says that "name of his father is name of my father" is not right
but he says also probably if it is true it means that he is from descendant of Hussain not Hassan, because Hussain's metaphoric name is "abu-abdillah"
and he says also the real narration is "name of his father is name of my son"
because ibn and ab in Arabic have kind of the same writings and in that time words used to be written without dots in Arabic
ابني = my son
ابي = my father
Fakhruddin Radi who is a sunni and a scholar says that "he is born and he is the son of Hassan Askari the eleventh Imams of Shiites."
And also Asemi Makki other Sunni scholar says that "his son, Muhammad, is the only son of him who is the Imam Mahdi the son of Hassan Askari"
SOURCE = Al-Razi Al-Shafi’i, Fakhruddin Muhammad bin Omar Al-Tamimi (died in 404 AH), The Blessed Tree in the Ansab of Talbiyah, p. 78-79.
Source = Al-Asim Al-Makki, Abdul-Malik bin Hussein bin Abdul-Malik Al-Shafi’i (died 1111 AH), Samat Al-Awali stars in the news of the first and successive ones, volume 4, p. 150,
Not true imam Malik transmits from Jafer and says: حدثنا جعفر بن محمد
How many narrations come to imam jafar.
We know the famous hadith about fiqh of hajj, but what else?
Imam Malik narrates more than 12 hadiths in Muwatta.
The problem is that most of Ahl al-Bayt imams were infested with bad narrators and liars according to the Shia Books.
@Azal Abadi You are not aware of Shia Scholarly research on science if Rijal.
Read for example : Rijal al-Kashi, there are loads of complians by Shia imams about supposed followers spreading loads of lies and extremist views ( ghuluw).
@Azal Abadi imam Jafar al-Sadiq used to say : its so sad that i cannot find one trustworthy narrator so i can trust him with my knowledge. His father al-Baqer said the same thing. One of those liars was Jaber b. Yazid Ju3fi who narrated thousands of narrations from imam Baqer, and imam Jafer said he only met my father once.
@@ny-ne6jq According to Shia scholars he is considered to be a great narrator, so as Azal said, you are saying this cuz of your sectarian bias. You just called one of the Shias thiqa narrator a liar. this is what our scholars say about him:
Al-Ya'qubi mentioned Jabir among Shi'a jurists of Umayyad and Abbasid periods.
Al-Shaykh al-Mufid recorded his name among the scholars about whom there was no negative reports.
Ibn Shahrashub mentioned Jabir as one of the close companions of Imam al-Sadiq (a) and the door to the knowledge of Imam al-Baqir (a).
Al-Khoei acknowledged Jabir's authenticity and counted him as a great Shi'a narrator who was highly acclaimed by the two Imams.
Truth is you guys do not follow the Ahlulbayt and have made up these stories of calling their companions liars etc.
@@dannyman005 i qouted Kashi he is not sunni
@fahad alam go deal with your Abu hurairah and his 5000 plus ahadiths.
Bigotry?
Imam jaafar as sadiq is sunni
They are 12 imams were khalifa e batin (hidden) and possess a high level of wilayat and the 12 imam is yet to be born
Plz read fatwa e razaviah by imam ahmed raza khan r.a. on 12 imams i m hanfi from india and love your work
@@mohmedkasifmk7234 12 imam was born after Hasan Askari (RA)...he is in occultation..
@@nawab-e-trivandrum5526 brother according to ahlu sunnah he is yet to born he will be from the progeny of holy prophet s.a.w. and imam hassan a.s.
@@mohmedkasifmk7234 according to some sunni scholars He is yet to be born... But some sunni scholars like Al Sha'rani , Ibn Arabi etc, agree with the Shia doctrine... And i believe it too...
@@nawab-e-trivandrum5526 can u give reference because wilayat was transferred to sayyed abdul qadir gilani r.a. if imam mahdi has born y would that be necessary and plz give me the reference abou ibn arabi r.a and other auliya e kiram r.a.
Imam Jafar Sadiq states
I hope for intercession from Sayyiduna Ali on the Day of Judgment as much as I do from Sayyiduna Abu Bakr.
Tahzeeb al Kamaal Fi Asmaa ir Rijaal
@toyina kumanya the truth about the Ahl ul Bayt is what u hear from the Ahl as Sunnah
@toyina kumanya falsehood regarding the Ahl ul bayt how?