Is This ABANDONED DREAM Yacht Worth It? [Full Tour] Learning the Lines
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Let me be clear. I LOVE Lyle Hess boats, and the Bristol Channel Cutter is one of my favorite designs by him. This vessel, Sun Star, is a 1979 Bristol Channel Cutter that has been abandoned for a long time in a small boatyard in Florida. Normally, these boats are worth between 50,000 to 100,000 dollars depending on condition, so would it be worth it to restore this abandoned boat to her former glory? I think so, but only for the right person willing and able to put in the work. Personally, I think the right person needs to come by, truck the boat to their own property, and work on it as a passion project. Unfortunately, that's not us right now (though we did think about it!).
What do you think? Is she a diamond in the rough or a wreck only worth the money you'll get from scrapping her? Leave a comment below!
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Before you judge the asking price, please do your research on Lyle Hess Bristol Channel Cutters and look at what they go for in varying conditions. You can't compare a BCC to a Catalina 30. It's apples and oranges. Yes, the price is probably too high, but that's also the price with the new engine. Keep in mind that used monohull sailboats almost never sell for the asking price and that the seller is very willing to negotiate. I think he'll consider any reasonable offers, so you might get this boat for much less then 35k without the engine.
Asking Price: $35,000 including new Yanmar diesel, but willing to negotiate
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The price is absurd, and the fact that the seller hasn’t even bothered to do a cursory cleaning tells you what he really thinks of it.
At the asking price, an otherwise salvageable hull is going to just sit. It should be a freebie. ;)
Exactly! Gross
Not even enough sense to throw a few tarps over it.
You'd have to give me $10,000 to pull this boat off the lot
That boat is completely trashed. The asking price is ludicrous. They'll have to pay someone to haul that piece of junk to the scrapyard.
A wise man once said, "Sometimes a free boat is too expensive" and this is SHOULD be a free boat.....and it would be too expensive.
$35K is not dirt cheap.
$3k wouldn't even be dirt cheap
$35k!!!??? AHHAHAHAHAHAAAA Always good to start the day off with a good laugh.
Shot milk out my nostrils! Lol.
35k with the new Yanmar engine. Without the engine, I’m thinking it’s more like 5k.
Are you sure that’s not how much he’s paying you to take it? Seems more appropriate that way!
No worries mates! It will buff out.
Don't forget. You certainly get the shaft with it.
Freebie was in much better condition and she sailed. I have a feeling everything that gets removed from the boat will reveal another problem. Reminds me of the movie The Money Pit without the happy ending. That might be a good name for her.
I have a feeling this will sit here till the end of time with an asking price of $35,000. It is a well designed boat. No doubt about that. Top dollar for a boat like this is $100k. That leaves $65k to make this into the absolutely best one anyone’s ever seen. Not going to happen, even not including all the labor that’d go into the project. You’d essentially have to work for free for 3 to 5 years and that makes no sense. Salvage it for $500 for a token amount and then it’d be possible. I do like the layout and the design. It’s not a boat I’ve seen, but I certainly would be interested in one in better shape. Thank you for the tour.
I doubt one has sold for $100,000 in the last 15 years the only one interested in these boats are young folks who are on a budget, and want a small capable cruiser. Good ones are selling for well under $50,000.
@@paulwyand6204 not a good Morse built BCC. A project boat under $50k, sure (this one is well beyond that though) but a BCC is not a cheap boat by any stretch.
It will continue to collect junk, just like the owner! I can’t imagine buying anything from a person who’s such a pig and then wants you to pay him to clean up his mess. Not a chance!
$65k? HA! Try doubling or even tripling that. Yards would charge upwards of $13-15k just for an Awlgrip paint job. And painting has to be done inside: dust, pollen etc can easily foul a spray job up. And it costs $ bucks just to move in into a shop, let alone the cost to rent a shop or have it done professionally. The wood work would be twice that, just the exterior. (have you priced teak and mahogany lately $$$$) Fabricating a rudder? Lines plans are available for this boat, but that's a big job too. ALL wiring would have to be redone, all chain-plates would need to be replaced (without even looking at them) Mast, boom, standing rigging? Cape George yachts has the moulds and rights I believe. How about recaulking every hatch and port? Bow Sprit? I just had one made for my Tayana 37...$6k!!!! Was this guy just trying to recoup his original cost of a bare hull? Or is the $35k the money he owes the yard for storage?
No matter how you cut it, this seller is in dreamland to think he could even get 1/10th of that asking price. I'm surprised the broker trying to sell it even wasted an afternoon filming and editing the video. He should be embarrassed.
By the time you pay the $35k plus at least another $65k to rebuild it, you'd be better off buying one in good condition.
The only appealing thing about this Yacht is its pedigree! Some where in the world a Bristol Channel Cutter can be for $10,000, and refit/repair for an additional 40K. The current owners are dreamers.
So, I think to do a tour like this was great for any of us who have ever looked at an old abandon boat and wondered... Being ignorant to boat construction - if I had say $30,000 and could get someone to build me a fiberglass hull, deck and ballasted keel of some "best" design, would I get just as much boat in a brand new hull? I'd love to see a Learning the Lines new video on "the cost of renovation" maybe interviewing people who are renovating pieces of their boats, what they decided to take on, and how much it cost in time and money. Sort of mini tours of several boats with the data from their owners, or the working experts at the boat yards.
I wouldn’t swap a Big Mac for that
There’s boats at the bottom of the Clyde in better shape
Wow. 35 grand? I don't know jack about boats but I was thinking 1 or 2 maybe because of all the brass fittings.
$35k sounds WAY too high for that boat. Like you said, it'll likely need to be stripped to a bare hull, even partially. Lyle Hess designed some beautiful boats, like my Nor'sea 27. I'd consider a project boat like this in need of a full rebuild but I've been trying to find something closer to 40'... Now, if only I had the money to actually do it.
Beautiful boat. I can see the potential and probably worth it for the right owner but that''s the wrong price to start with, unfortunately. Thanks for sharing this one. Really cool to see. If only something like this was found up in MD. lol
Crying shame they’ve neglected such a sound vessel
Thanks for putting this one up. Although I think the price is unrealistic I think this design is one of my favorites you have featured. Glad you feature a diverse spectrum of boats and stories that are out there. Keep up the great work!
Where else can you get the shaft and a couple of good screws for $35k? 👍👍👍
How sad!! How sad!! Such a beautiful boat that has been trashed from neglect!! This boat needs to be a GIVEAWAY! The work and expense is going to be tremendous!
lol I wouldn't take it for free.
I see your bid and raise you - "they would have to pay me 35k to take it away"
@@superyachtchef Agreed. It would probably be easier to build from scratch.
35,000!!!! Maybe a typing error! Jordan, did you mean 350 dollars? I have been in the sailing and boating industry for over 40 years, I have never, ever seen a price that high on a boat in that kind of condition. I am sure a surveyor will tell a potential buyer to stay clear of that boat. WOW, the owner is smoking dope, if he wants it for that price. I am sure Lyle Hess is rolling in his grave!
Wow, you are a glass half full kinda guy... :-)
They had better be willing to negotiate, a lot.
Great video, thank you! Gotta love Lyle Hess.
Fair winds
What a shame. Bristol Channel Cutters are stunningly beautiful well built boats. I can’t imagine letting one go to rot like this. I would imagine that something catastrophic happened to the owner/family to let her fall into decay.
She is definitely worth the cost of the new Yanmar engine. Not much more. I can’t wrap my head around a project of that magnitude. This has to be a $75,000 rebuild.
I spent $10,000 in upgrades for my boat this winter, which doubled her resale value. I did most of the work myself and a few hours of labor from a marine electrician.
Thanks for posting and sharing. Very interesting to hear about this boat and it’s design, as well that Lynn and Larry Pardee had two of them.
It would be entertaining to do videos on the demented owners as well as their derelict boats.
I just keep seeing Tracy Morgan saying “No...no.... aww helll noooo.... nuhhh uhhhh..... no”
i was expecting it to be free. i about choked when i saw an asking price of 35K!! i want what they're smoking!
"Obviously not in the best shape" (A normal American standing on a piece of junk).
Love your positivism - so cool :-)
This is like watching Hoarders. Boat addition. Even a toilet under the master bed.
From purely a financial standpoint, this is a non-starter. There's a close-to-mint condition one on the west coast that is selling for something short of $50K, so that's your ceiling after a refit. Even with a TON of sweat equity, you are looking at least $50K, probably closer to $75K, in materials to bring this boat back. Even if you got it for free, you will be under water (no pun intended). It's easy to get romanced by a classic boat with a lot of pedigree, but if you are going to invest $75K in a refit plus whatever you end of paying to purchase this (assume $15K), you can buy a very nice bluewater boat of similar size for that amount and sail away right away as opposed to investing 2-3 years of your time. But, if you really love the idea of having a BC Cutter, I'm not going to stand in your way. But I would urge anyone to consider the value of their time before jumping into a project like this. You don't get those years back.
You always do a great job at being honest, but remain positive bud. You do a great job for the folks offering the boats for sale.
For the amount of work needed the asking price is way too much
This boat is a dream crusher. Bristol channel cutters are awesome boats.
Not even if the new engine was professionally installed. There are boats out there on the water ready to sail off for $15,000-$20,000 and they have a lot more room inside.
I think you are missing the point. This is a classic boat hence why restored it would be worth so much more than any 40 or 50 year old 28 foot boat. Think cars.
However financially I doubt it would make sense even if you were good with tools etc you are probably looking at over 1000hours labour more if you go Randys suggested route. However If you didnt have the $100k lying around to buy a totally pristine BCC then this is a way for you to get there using some money and a lot of sweat equity.
@@glennedwards1449 i’m not missing the point it’s just I’m not a boat collector and if I’m buying a sailboat it’s so I can go sailing, if I want to build a boat from scratch I’ll do that. For someone it may be a heck of a deal, that person just isn’t me.
Will it stand up to a pressure washing let alone the sea.
Great planter for a nautical theme restaurant.... maybe.
Friend of mine bought a simular project.
Took 4 months off from work. Now 2,5 months in, he is in the building up phase.
Gutted the whole boat.
Needs most likely an extra month from work to finish, but it already is looking awesome
Did you see the mouse (or was that a lizard?) at 6:11 ? So cute! Maybe not worth $35K though. Jordan, it is clear that you see this boat in beautifully restored condition. And it's also clear that you LOVE the design. However, what we see on this end is a nightmare. I think you should have done this video on "This is the history of this boat, and this is how it got this bad off. And here's some lessons to be learned. #1) . . . #2) . . . etc. " Scott W PS - I'm going to Google this model and see what a nice one looks like. That will add some to my knowledge base. : - )
Randy when you go "MMmm OK" in your videos please add the phrase "Drugs are Bad" lol
Without the engine, this is a free boat. The person would do better to sell the engine and junk the boat. I have seen free 42 footers in MUCH better condition with workable engines. This boat will continue to rot right where it is. And at this point, just how new is the engine. I'm guessing it was bought 10+ years ago.
If you bothered to check it comes with a new Diesel engine.
@@christip20 If you bothered to read my reply, I said without the engine it was a free boat. The owner should sell the engine and give the boat away. The engine has value, the boat has NO value in its condition. And an engine that's been sitting is worth about $5K tops.
You're right. With this boat you are getting the shaft.
The best thing to do with that wreck is take it somewhere deep and give it a decent burial, the owner asking 35k is just a would be a thief if he actually gets anywhere near that insane price.
I just checked online and found a 1982 Bristol Channel Cutter that just sold in Washington State for $52.000. Tons of pictures, 2d owners in PRISTINE condition and ready to sail anywhere in the world. It had mostly new electronics, sails, original galley, original engine with 1600 hours on it. Absolutely beautiful. This boat shown here is a total loss unless you are young, willing to spend at least $50,000 -75,000 for everything, are skilled, and do all of the work yourself. Another $1 giveaway.
This is exciting to watch because it's such a train wreck. I'm glad you didn't fall through anything.
I have a morgan 382 you can tour if you would like. Its for sale for 20k. I just purchased a tayana 52 to go cruise on. Its priced for quick sale as it was just surveyed at twice im asking.
You always do a great job at being honest, but remain positive bud. You do a great job for the folks offering the boats for sale.
I’d love to have a boat like this to fix up! But yeah, the price they’re asking is... 🤦♂️
I can't believe you guys posted this... very disappointing. It would clearly cost more to restore this than it is worth
I agree why show us a restoration project that makes absolutely no sense any way you look at it. Complete waste of time considering the amount of yachts for sale out there.
agree, and why have a title saying "Dirt cheap...". I'm wondering if they where paid to make this video.
@@brrraaaapp8502 yeah 30 k ain't dirt cheap .i mean the price is ridiculous .i can't understand why he even toured this yacht.
This could seriously destroy their brand.
@@mikekosak9598 At least they changed the title now.
You had me at: head down below
Oh I would love to sail the world with you. Where's the boat? Oh hell no! Davy Jones don't play like that.
Do the plants growing out of it come with or have to be purchased separately ? Lol
Ambitious project but an awesome boat .
A nut for every bolt, many men have taken on much larger projects and enjoyed the hell out of it. Some sail and some rebuild. To bad the rudder is missing. I would love to see her sail again.
I didnt think you were really going to go below...What a mess!
BCC is my dream boat. To see one in this condition and at that asking price is astounding.
Heartbreaking!
They would have to pay ME $5000 to come and remove it. Classic lines or not this is a complete rebuild. The seller hasn't even covered her which says a lot. If serious about trying to make money off this sale they should move the vessel away from the trees, completely clean it out, and at least close it up enough to protect it from water ingress.
Passion projects are never a good deal but there's a sucker born every day. It's worth the value of the new engine and that's it.
This might be the boat for me, provided that price comes down to somewhere in the mid 4 digits range, sans the yanmar as I have no interest in the Diesel engine, I’d rather use an electric drive/generator setup, with a little bit of solar panels to add to it.
But take the engine to sell for your electric drive or other materials
Good luck with that lol
momma gonna just love that one
Dirt's cheaper than that.
We thought you meant $3500, not $35k! Crazy stuff. Then again, Oddlife paid $50k. Would be more worried about mold and rotting wood due to insects that we can't see. Thanks for the tour!
Oddlife's boat was/is totally different, totally worth the price in my (armchair lol) opinion. A solid steel insulated boat with almost no rust and a very nice interior! And a very unique beachable hull. I would love a boat like theirs, they will be able to take that anywhere.
About 2 years ago I bought an "abandoned" boat that was a one off custom sharpie I really loved. However, because it was in really rough shape I offered only the value of the lead ballast which I figured I could at least salvage to break even if the project went south. Luckily the boat is beginning to shape up after untold hours of hard work and plenty of cash to replace or repair everything. With a restoration of this kind you pretty much have to get the boat for next to nothing because of the time and money needed to get it back to sailing shape.
$500 would be my top offer. Parting this boat out is all its worth
Ouch.
6:10 right before the cut away... there's a lizard on the steps making a dive for safety. Love the Easter eggs you manage to work into your shots mate.
A project waaaay out of my league but I appreciate learning that boats in the absolute worst conditions can still be salvageable.
More searching 👀, more leaning 🧠📚📝
For sale $35,000 if you dumped $100,000 into it make it worth $25,000
RUN!😉...Still liked the tour.
There is another place like this near LaBelle that is a field of dead and dying boats.
Classic design is great, this boat with something in its day! It must’ve been beautiful below at some point in his life but In its current condition left wide open to the weather Free is almost too much price to pay.
I can see the beauty in her lines but I'd never live long enough to bring her back to life.
INSANITY! BCCs are great blue water sailors, but that one is a goner. I wouldnt take it free even with the yanmar.
A friend of mine built a beautiful BC28 and they are tough, seaworthy, sail well, and have good resale - but there is NO ROOM inside. Nor room on deck for much of a dinghy - and overall length due to the sprit and rudder makes you pay moorage on a much longer slip. I think there are much better boats/designs that would make better resurrection projects.
Yeah ... BCC is a 28' boat with the moorage cost of a 38'.
Room for what? Fine for single handing. If you have one then chances are good that you are out, and not stuck in a slip or on a mooring ball. The advantage of a mint condition BCC is that many waterfront homes love to have a BCC tied up to their pier. I know this. I've had my BCC for the past 27 years.
Fiberglass version of Tally Ho? Maybe not, but I could see the diamond. My guess is the "New" Yanmar is worth $18000+. I would offer a $1 and tell them to keep the motor. I would most likely put something COMPLETELY different in anyways. Thanks for sharing. So many boats, so little money (in my pocket).
i call that the Beyond Rangoon Condition
I’m just wondering cause this is a large project and funny layed out boat is this what to be expected for 35k cause seems kinda high to me but then again just started looking
Fantastic design, being a fibre glass copy of the Bristol Channel Pilot cutter, a boat design evolved through hundreds of years in the most demanding seas. As for value? Pretty much treat it as a hull just out of the mould as long as the fibreglass is in good condition. Fit out would be hundreds of thousands
$35k for that wreck? Nope. More like $3k if that. I'm a little surprised that they don't just let someone tow it off so they don't have to pay storage fees anymore. Anyone who takes this on needs to have some serious shipwright skills. There's one for sale right now in Washington State for $51.5k in great shape. Beautiful little boat.
This right here is why you should never just run out and buy a project boat without doing a lot of research ahead of time. This was probably a high potential boat when the person who started repairs bought it, but quickly realized that there is no such thing as a cheap boat.
35 grand is a ridiculous asking price for this. It's basically an empty hull. I wouldn't go a penny higher than 10, but I would likely start much lower than that with my first offer, lol. You could spend 50 grand on that thing and end up with a boat that's worth less than that.
What is the value of the Yanmar?
This is a boat that should be free to anyone willing to take it off the lot. The person taking the boat needs a couple $100,000 in the bank (and that is if they can do all the work to build a new boat on their own). The price for SEAWORTHY versions of these boats, as stated, between $50,000 and $100,000. Those all have motors, standing rigs, sails and INTERIORS! The decks are questionable - plywood core so if any water got in past those 'questionable repairs' you have 28' of mush. The hull is solid glass so likely it is fine. The hull/deck joint is pretty bullet proof so unless water got into the cap from leaking stanchions. Didn't see a standing rig ($$$$$). No chainplates ($$$) No sails ($$$$$). No motor ($$$$$$). The cost for new teak makes my eyes water. The bitts at the bow have been cut off at the deck! Assume the tanks are shot (were usually stainess steel). New electrical ($$$$). No winches and other deck hardware ($$$$). No boom gallows ($$$$). No rudder ($$$$). She is now what she may have have been in '79 - a kit boat but with less kit then when Sam delivered her to the first owner. Talk with Cape George Marine Works about how much the missing parts cost ... a new one from them, with NO options, is $400,000. Talk to Port Townsend Foundry about how much the bronze hardware costs!
FYI: the boat LOA (on spars) is 38'. the Length On Deck is 28'1"
Such boats must be restored. This is already a historical object.
My first thought: oh hey, I could probably afford that boat. I may buy it.
When I seen the asking price I laughed. A new engine isn't worth 30k.
Well first thing is when it comes to a boat price doesn't matter if the boat is right you will know it . It might not be the boat I or someone else would chose but as long as your good with it that's all that matters .
This is a channel to which I won’t be subscribing, unless I need a laugh!
Lots to see in this marina. Indiantown is where boats go to die. This one is ready to be buried.
How much is the owner prepared to pay for someone to relieve him of that pile of junk?
Looks like an owner-finished BCC, judging by some details in the layout. If I didn't already have a BCC, and I had a lot of time, and could get if for maybe $5000 or less, it might be worth gutting everything and starting over. It would be ALOT of work though.
Nice boat with lots of potential but the asking price is a bit steep IMO. Clearly open to offers but it would have to come way down given the work and equipment needed to get her back to see. Great find though. Andy U.K.
Captain Q might think it is real nice hahahha
That just scared the bejesus out of me.
I wouldn't take that boat if you paid me $35,000. It comes with two shafts from what I can tell
Maybe you need Randy around to keep you grounded. Looks like you took a beating in the comments. The internet speaks it mind and this time it's right on the mark. The value of that boat is based on the current scrap price of lead.
" A Dimond in the Rough," indeed! I hope some passionate deserving collector got this one! Should be no more that a token, brand new $100.00 bill?
$35K will get you a boat that sails it should be a freebie or $1k for the motor and wreck
LoL seller has a real Gem there..
Agree with the comments below. $35K is an ABSURD asking price for this derelict boat. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
She's rough that's for sure!
Looks like alot of space below for that size boat.
That asking price is a bit high for a boat in that condition.
That's a SERIOUS refit there. And although most of the areas you went through seemed to be solid, the bones of the boat may not be worth it unfortunately
Never really understood the attraction of these boats. They were interesting in 1976, but boat design has come a long way since 1976...there are so many better options these days...
I think it's sea days were done long ago. Would make a good decoration piece at least
35,000 grand no way in hell
I'm asking 29k for my fully refurbished alberg 30 , including rebuilt engine. Freshwater boat. This guy is going to be lucky to get 100 bucks.
Even if it was free the cost of renovation would be probably be more then buying one already in great condition. It’s very sad.