Man you don't understand how much I would have wanted to see in 2020 a dry qualy session at Monaco and especially at Suzuka; it would have been CRAZY😳.
@@vamositalia4600don’t know about Monaco because it’s the high speed that the merc was light years ahead of the competition - we had spa anyway which was a tehcinical marvel
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoterMonaco because they would have done a 1:09 since Lewis did a 1:10.1 in 2019, and also because it's always nice to see the drivers pushing to the limits in a super challenging track like Monaco.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1Absolutely the 2020 calendar was unique with the returns of Imola and Nurburgring and with new tracks like Mugello and Portimao but remember that we had 2 GPs in Austria and 2 GPs at Silverstone which wasn't the best but obviously they had to adapt due to the situation that we all know.
A silver lining is that we got to see it at tracks that weren’t meant to be on the 2020 calendar like Nurburgring, Portimao, Imola and especially Mugello
The W11 in braking zones, slow corners and traction absolutely demolishes the new Red Bull but in 2025 cars should be faster than 2024 so maybe the comparison will look better next year.
The 2022 reg cars are more than 50kg heavier than the 2020 ones. That‘s atleast 1.5 seconds a lap on a track like Bahrain. It‘s extremely impressive that the RB20 is as close as it is given the fact that these cars weight so much more and don‘t have things like the party mode anymore and a higher % of sustainable fuel which also reduced the power of the PU‘s in general.
@@Reaz399offnote party mode was actually banned by Bahrain 2020 it was banned after Monza 2020 IIRC You still have engine modes but not party mode (engine modes then got foolishly banned in 2021 for no good reason)
Ehm everyone also forgets that tyres did change. 13 inch helps more at braking, slow corners and traction. So tyres also make some tenths in this and that should be included.
Highest g forces are pulled in high speed corners which this track kinda lacks, so i guess its a concious decision to not clutter up the displayed info for the viewers
It comes down to how both drivers attack the track. Hamilton tends to get on throttle by mid corner, whilst Verstappen is on the throttle slightly past mid corner. Less corner entry speed allows you to get on the throttle quicker thus giving you a higher top speed before the following braking point.
Dont forget the weight has gone up +50kg since 2020. The tyres and wheel rims are different. They have to use a biofuel mix now too. And also the regulations to outwash the tyre wake have changed. So, while the RB20 is probably behind when compared directly to the W11, I don't think it was as dominant. It was a shorter season due to covid but Max still won 2 races that year, Perez won one, as well as Gasly winning one. So win percentage was lower than RB19 for example. In Abu Dhabi max won by 15seconds. In the 2020 Bahrain GP, where this merc lap is taken from, Max finished 1.5sec behind Lewis, and got fastest lap.
yes, this comparison video makes no sense at all. Rules changed everything. Might as well compare it with a Volkswagen Beetle and compare how fast it is.
Something I find crazy, is that the Ferrari this year was just as fast as it was in 2020. Showing how bad their car was that year after having to change their "illegal" engine.
I must admit these ground effect cars have developed fast, they were so slow in 2022. Every year the pole lap for these ground effect cars keep getting faster.
in 2020 Bahrain Daniil Kvyat in the Alphatauri got a quali time of 1:28.618 so he was more dominate than Max in the RB20 1:29.179, in fact most of the 2020 grid were faster than Max in the RB20... even Max!! Max in Bahrain 2020 in the RB19 had a quali time of 1:27.678
I've recently watched the 2020 qualifying pole lap from Lewis in Belgium again. The way he was able to take some of the high speed corners flat out was almost insulting
Not really. I'm more surprised on how close the new cars have gotten to the last generation already. Watch some onboards from the cars at the beginning of the V6-era (14-16), and your mind will be blown. They were really slow.
@@luciniho1haha yeah the 2014 cars some were slower than GP2 cars it was that bad They were at approximately 1997 car speeds in 2014 (this is one of the reasons why Max could start so early in 2015 as the physicality of the cars dropped massively in those years)
The new cars might catch the old ones in terms of average lap speed, but they don't seem very racy to me for some reason. If you look at the W11 and how fast it goes in and out of a corner it looks better imo, it feels exciting to watch it. Not sure if this is the added weight of the cars or something else, but the difference is very obvious.
I'd be shocked if they ever do under these regulations. It's not just the weight. That's not even the primary factor. It's the consistency of the downforce, and the quality of the suspension. That's why the W11 just looks absolutely on rails and even the RB20 doesn't come close. Downforce produced by overbody aero is much more consistent, progressive and predicable than ground-effect aero. Since the downforce produced doesn't rely on a stable ride height anywhere near as much. Meaning the amoutn of downforce produced is almost completely dependent on just the speed that the car is going. So drivers can be much more confident about how much grip they have. Also the old regs allowed for much much much more complex suspension. So they could control how they handled/chassis dynamics with way more precision. And since the aero didn't depend on keeping the underfloor within such a small ride height window, they could have the suspension be far more compliant and not be forced to keep it extremely stiff the way that the ground effect cars have to be run. Much better suspension, more consistent down-force, more down-force, and the old regs also had bigger wider tires with smaller rims and a more rubber. So even the tires themselves were better suited. The difference in the size of the tires is so large you can see the difference just by comparing them in the video. It's also worth mentioning that those cars were developed before the cost cap era as well. So you had teams spending literally like 5-6X what's currently spent per season to develop and run these cars. Under the old regs the cars themselves were far more expensive, and had more people working on/developing them. And that's all in addition to a set of regs that allowed them to create much faster, better F1 cars. The technological progress and institutional learning since 2020 cannot make up for all of those other factors.
@@456MrPeople Yeah I know what you mean. I've been watching F1 since late 80's/early 90's. Not sure if those cars were faster though, but they were smaller and more nimble/agile which made racing way more exciting than what we've had for the last 10 years.
1 thing to remember here as well is, bahrain gp in 2020 was end of november so "party mode" was banned. So how much quicker would this lap be if they were allowed to be at full power.
That W11 isn’t just fast, but all around great car. The grip is crazy, Lewis and Valterri can throw the wheel left and right and it will go exactly where you want it
Am I the only one who misses the "old" sound of the first V6 engines? I won't even talk about the V8 and V10's, but the W11 had a decent sound, while the new cars sound like vacuum cleaners.
I wonder which year of the pre-ground effect cars the RB20 is equivalent to in lap times. Maybe 2017? Edit: 2016 was a 1:29.493, 2017 was 1:28.769, so if we account for track limits being different, and using Leclerc's Q2 time of 1:29.165, the current cars are still a good bit behind 2017. It's also pretty cool how different the engine note is between the two. The Merc is very raw and raspy, whereas the Honda is super smooth with that turbo whistle.
Depends on the track really these cars works too differently to be compared For example in 2023 the cars beat by 1 second the previous Baku qualifying record and they’re pretty close to older track record in tracks with either long straights or fast corners
Its impressive how much these ground effect cars have been developed in such short time. I think it could be neck and neck if the weight was similar and the wheels were smallers thereby having less unsprung mass
F1 cars lose roughly 0.3s/lap per 10kg of weight on most circuits. So it would be 1.5s/lap slower... which is still faster than the RB20. Pretty crazy really :p
it would still be faster than the RB20. Especially if you allowed them to disperse the weight over the whole car how they wanted to. it's not like it would just be plopped in the cockpit
@@kenvanpassen9247 I know, W11 will be faster but not by a huge margin. By your assumption, it'll be 4 tenths faster which shows how much this generation of cars progressed, I am pretty sure despite the weight difference next year RB21 will be within 1 second of W11(the fastest F1 car in the history).
if you take into consideration that the RB20 is carrying 80kg more weight, this is actually very impressive. In the next regs they need to lower the weight, the cars are becoming boats.
They have been boats since the hybrid era. I want to see manual gearbox era sized cars back because those looked like rocket ships because of how nimble they were. Obviously that’s not happening due to safety regulations, so I’ll settle for V8 era size.
It's interesting that under these new ground effect regs the min weight of the cars is 796kg which is 50kg heavier than 2020 regs. That translates to approx 1.5 seconds of time lost just due to increased weight. So keeping that in mind the RB20 qualy time is seriously impressive as these GE regs are still quite new.
On this same track same year, W11 lap 1:27.2 RB16 lap 1:27.6 Ferarri SF90 lap 1:27.8 in 2019. Ferarri SF71H lap 1:27.9 in 2018. Basically 2018, 2019 and 2020 f1 car are faster than 2024 f1 car.
@@GameOver-nm2usyes it is, but realistically Max would wipe the floor with Lewis in equal machinery, they have had completely different upbringings, Max is a purebred racer and that’s not to discredit Lewis’ amazing skill
track conditions and tires definitely play a role here, as well as weight. Funny is the average qualifying pace was FASTER than 2021's Q3 lap times. That is mighty impressive of what they have done to claw back performance despite the weight penalty.
And the funniest thing people called the 2020 cars trucks/boats compared to the mid 2000s cars lol Now they’re seen as fighter jets compared to the boats of the ground effect cars lol
Small tip: please also add a fully uncut side by side at the end. It's cool to have the explanation, but it's also frustrating if we just wanna see the lap :)
Points to note: -W11 is 60kg lighter than RB20 -W11 used softer tires, C4 vs C3 in RB20 -W11 had better track conditions and more agressive engine mode than RB20 -W11 had no track limits, while RB20 had a punishable track limits. Given all those factors, it's not that impressive as people are making it look, 1.9 seconds is actually what you expect since 60kg more alone makes the car slower by 1.7 seconds
All things aside its actually speaks millions to the fact that the rb holds up this good with worse conditions already, and could keep up with the w11 in a small part of the track too. And you can throw away your football style stupid mindset out the window this perfomance speaks to the team that made the rb and Max for bringing out that perfomance. Also you could make this comparisons with the w11 every same track they race on, would be interesting to see the differences, hopefully we get other cars taking pole giving us a chance of comparing them with the w11 not just the rb.
Man, i know this is about these amazing machines.. but i just can't stop thinking about what kind of emotions an F1 driver cares about winning, knowing they had a beast of a car back then. It would drive me insane 😅
I think the perfect formula for the cars is them having the size and weight of the 2016 cars, while having the ground effect. The cars would be quicker on the straights and corners since it would be lighter than the 2017-2021 cars while having almost the same downforce levels
@@456MrPeople I don't think it's impossible. Scarbs said that a lot of the weight on the suspension is down to components being designed with aero in mind. They could also remove a lot of the electronics etc if they wanted to meet a certain weight limit. The current length is largely dictated by teams wanting to control aero effect. They could easily be packaged shorter with fuller sidepods.
People talk about the W11 beig impressive here, but honestly its the RB20 thats impressive to me. The new regs have worse suspension, way heaver, track limits are stricter etc. To be within 2s is insane from red bull
The whole purpose of 2022 regulations was to make the cars follow closer and for F1 to be more competitive. However, there is no battle at the front - even though the rest of the field is quite close, much closer than before. So I don't know if 2022 regs fulfilled anything other than having another team at the top. Teams are roughly where they always were. The cars didn't get any faster comparing to 2020 / 2021. And they got heavier. So I truly don't know what I whink of these new ground effect cars.
I'm wondering if the new cars will be faster at some point in the future, because how the old generation (W11) was built makes more sense for a faster car but F1 is always improving so it's kinda even.
I'm not a Mercedes fan but that car looked so good to drive, and in my favorite livery, plus I think this was the car we could actually watch Hamilton driving skills, imo he was way more sharp and aggressive in his style and the car just complies.
Why in the corners Lewis always was a gear down but then in the middle corner he had a gear to be in the same? What is better? Lower gear on entry and add a gear middle corner or same gear in the entirety of the corner?
A RB durante os treinos é uma coisa, quando chega o dia da prova da a entender que alteram o software do carro ou algo do género não é so o piloto que conta se não na qualificação a RB não tinha ido a boleia de outro carro para se qualificar.
The change in the regulations in 2022 was supposed to make sure there will not be such a situation of a team leading by far from the rest, closer racing, overtake more easilly and safer cars. Now someone tell me if it was worth it to have a 2 s slower cars after 3 years of car development
RB19 was dominant and RB20 seems to continue that trend. But seeing the W11 heads up comparison just reminds me of how gleeful it was to watch the W11 turn in on corners flat out and not even have to lift. That car was a sight to behold.
Can we also mention that despite the aero differences, the rb20 has an engine which is 4 years newer than the w11 so it will and should be more advanced than the w11. With that being said the w11 is an absolute beast since it's still quicker than the rb20 4 years on :;
RB's engine is, if they are lucky, maybe close to being equal to Merc's Power unit in the W11. It almost certainly hasn't surpassed it. The Mercedes power unit isn't just insanely performant. It's also one of the most fuel efficient engines ever made. I don't think RB has matched the Merc power unit across all metrics (performance, reliability, efficiency)
Nah bro they're using a new fuel since 2022 that nerfed the engines by 30hp and in 2020 they had party mode and engine mode, RB20 must have the same power of W11 given the engine and mode nerfs. Also, the engine are freeze since 2022, so no 4 years of development there, only 2. 2024 engine is the same from 2022 engine, literally the same
you should compare it with 2021 cars , that would be interesting how improved the ground effect cars and getting closer to the 2021 lap time (even though 2021 cars will still be faster in general)
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It’s actually wild how on rails that w11 is - it’s like watching one of those bullet train videos
Man you don't understand how much I would have wanted to see in 2020 a dry qualy session at Monaco and especially at Suzuka; it would have been CRAZY😳.
@@vamositalia4600don’t know about Monaco because it’s the high speed that the merc was light years ahead of the competition - we had spa anyway which was a tehcinical marvel
@@vamositalia4600We got Mugello which wasn’t a bad trade off but what I would have done to see the W11 at Suzuka 😭😭
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoterMonaco because they would have done a 1:09 since Lewis did a 1:10.1 in 2019, and also because it's always nice to see the drivers pushing to the limits in a super challenging track like Monaco.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1Absolutely the 2020 calendar was unique with the returns of Imola and Nurburgring and with new tracks like Mugello and Portimao but remember that we had 2 GPs in Austria and 2 GPs at Silverstone which wasn't the best but obviously they had to adapt due to the situation that we all know.
this video makes me realise just how fast the w11 is
The 2020 cars were the fastest F1 cars ever.
@@BETAsinsf-1000 be like
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@@micheleg4599even the SF-1000 would dog the RB20 right now haha
Qualquer carro da temporada de 2021 é mais rápido que o rb20
It's a crime that we never got a full season of the W11
Didn't we? I watched that season but I don't know what you mean by that
@@gyulaigyula5254 Half of the races were cancelled due to covid
@@Brommeh oh yeah. Well at 2021 made up for it
A silver lining is that we got to see it at tracks that weren’t meant to be on the 2020 calendar like Nurburgring, Portimao, Imola and especially Mugello
There were 17, 4 races less.. than 2019. @@Brommeh
The W11 in braking zones, slow corners and traction absolutely demolishes the new Red Bull but in 2025 cars should be faster than 2024 so maybe the comparison will look better next year.
The 2022 reg cars are more than 50kg heavier than the 2020 ones. That‘s atleast 1.5 seconds a lap on a track like Bahrain.
It‘s extremely impressive that the RB20 is as close as it is given the fact that these cars weight so much more and don‘t have things like the party mode anymore and a higher % of sustainable fuel which also reduced the power of the PU‘s in general.
50kg heavier is not at least 1.5 seconds a lap, that's absurd.@@Reaz399
@@Reaz399offnote party mode was actually banned by Bahrain 2020 it was banned after Monza 2020 IIRC
You still have engine modes but not party mode (engine modes then got foolishly banned in 2021 for no good reason)
Ehm everyone also forgets that tyres did change. 13 inch helps more at braking, slow corners and traction. So tyres also make some tenths in this and that should be included.
in Bahrain 2024
W11 (LH) 1:27.264
RB16 (MV) 1:27.678
Bahrain 2024
W15 (LH) 1:29.710
RB20 (MV) 1:29.179
You also have to remember, Bahrain was at the end of 2020, meaning they had a full season to develop and understand the car.
My guy the development of the cars was frozen throughout the year
@@ashutoshuniyal198Aero wasnt resticted as much and car setup wasnt restricted at all.
also have to remember that Hamilton in a good car is way better than Vercrappon
@@LargeFry1 lol... really?
Well if you wanna count 2020 a “full” season, which wasn’t
Why did they get rid of the G-Force meter? That's the most interesting telemetry data.
Yeah just realized I haven’t seen those in a while. I’ll never forget Lewis pulling 5.6G at Mugello
@@GreedRuinsEverything they were still visible in the last race from time to time. I think it depends on management if they decide to show it or not
Highest g forces are pulled in high speed corners which this track kinda lacks, so i guess its a concious decision to not clutter up the displayed info for the viewers
they had to make space to show more shots of the crowds instead.. xd
agreed
The traction on corner exit is unreal on Mercedes
Even the braking cadence, honestly.
It comes down to how both drivers attack the track. Hamilton tends to get on throttle by mid corner, whilst Verstappen is on the throttle slightly past mid corner. Less corner entry speed allows you to get on the throttle quicker thus giving you a higher top speed before the following braking point.
He literally has to make basically 0 corrections
wasn't that the DAS system? Y'know, the one that was legal for one season and only for Mercedes?
@@dascandythe DAS system was only used for tire warmup under safety car really
Dont forget the weight has gone up +50kg since 2020. The tyres and wheel rims are different. They have to use a biofuel mix now too. And also the regulations to outwash the tyre wake have changed. So, while the RB20 is probably behind when compared directly to the W11, I don't think it was as dominant. It was a shorter season due to covid but Max still won 2 races that year, Perez won one, as well as Gasly winning one. So win percentage was lower than RB19 for example. In Abu Dhabi max won by 15seconds. In the 2020 Bahrain GP, where this merc lap is taken from, Max finished 1.5sec behind Lewis, and got fastest lap.
2020 also c4 2024 c3
yes, this comparison video makes no sense at all. Rules changed everything. Might as well compare it with a Volkswagen Beetle and compare how fast it is.
keep in mind that the W11 was at its peak at the end of the season. This is RB20 at the first race every with almost no upgrades
Very true Skittle Man
not even at the end of 2025 they will be 2 seconds quicker than today. And from 2026 they will be even slower, by a lot
@@alessiogiovannoli1913 yeah ns captain obvious.
It was also slowed down by then, losing party mode 7 races in.
Maybe at best they squeeze .5sec out of the RB20. The extra 50kg of now vs 2020 is really hindering all facets
Something I find crazy, is that the Ferrari this year was just as fast as it was in 2020. Showing how bad their car was that year after having to change their "illegal" engine.
It was illegal. They got away with a slow car in 2020 simply because they’re Ferrari.
I must admit these ground effect cars have developed fast, they were so slow in 2022. Every year the pole lap for these ground effect cars keep getting faster.
2023 was a little stagnant at the beginning because teams had to first gain back the downforce lost by raising the floor from 2022.
The W11 is a MONSTER!!!!!
in 2020 Bahrain Daniil Kvyat in the Alphatauri got a quali time of 1:28.618 so he was more dominate than Max in the RB20 1:29.179, in fact most of the 2020 grid were faster than Max in the RB20... even Max!! Max in Bahrain 2020 in the RB19 had a quali time of 1:27.678
@@d.mat.zero6525RB16*
I've recently watched the 2020 qualifying pole lap from Lewis in Belgium again. The way he was able to take some of the high speed corners flat out was almost insulting
Love your content! Perfect timing too, I’m literally rewatching the race right now.
W11 was and still is insane. Probably one of if not the most dominant single actual car ever. Imagine if Max had it...
The W11 was on the C4 tire, while the RB20 was using the C3.
2 seconds is crazy !
More power, more downforce, less weight does the job. It is getting closer tho as teams develop their cars. Also very important, track limits!
Well, the 2022 reg cars are 50+ kilos heavier than the 2020 ones. That‘s 1.5 seconds or more alone through the sheer weight difference of the cars.
Not really. I'm more surprised on how close the new cars have gotten to the last generation already. Watch some onboards from the cars at the beginning of the V6-era (14-16), and your mind will be blown. They were really slow.
@@luciniho1haha yeah the 2014 cars some were slower than GP2 cars it was that bad
They were at approximately 1997 car speeds in 2014 (this is one of the reasons why Max could start so early in 2015 as the physicality of the cars dropped massively in those years)
RB16 in 2020 also lap in 1:27.6 on Bahrain track.
Basically 2020 f1 car are faster than 2024 f1 car.
W11 was an animal.
A supernatural beast.
Slower than a Renault at this track :)
Massive tracklimits violation by W11 at T4 1:16. That alone made a huge difference to how much speed he could carry and shaved massive time.
Some time, but the W11 was quicker in the other two sectors as well.
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Just a reminder that W11 limitations were the tyres.
Also it's the only car to take pole with a harder compound than available
Really love the sound combination of engine and motor in rb/honda pu which mercedes pu never had
Great video. And it's incredible, how little steering input they give. It means the cars are hooked up well.
This stuff is fascinating - thank you. Keep up the good work.
appreciate your videos bro, bangers
Great video - fascinating - thanks for putting that together!
Amazing analysis, loved it
A very insightful video. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
The new cars might catch the old ones in terms of average lap speed, but they don't seem very racy to me for some reason. If you look at the W11 and how fast it goes in and out of a corner it looks better imo, it feels exciting to watch it. Not sure if this is the added weight of the cars or something else, but the difference is very obvious.
I'd be shocked if they ever do under these regulations.
It's not just the weight. That's not even the primary factor. It's the consistency of the downforce, and the quality of the suspension. That's why the W11 just looks absolutely on rails and even the RB20 doesn't come close.
Downforce produced by overbody aero is much more consistent, progressive and predicable than ground-effect aero. Since the downforce produced doesn't rely on a stable ride height anywhere near as much. Meaning the amoutn of downforce produced is almost completely dependent on just the speed that the car is going. So drivers can be much more confident about how much grip they have.
Also the old regs allowed for much much much more complex suspension. So they could control how they handled/chassis dynamics with way more precision. And since the aero didn't depend on keeping the underfloor within such a small ride height window, they could have the suspension be far more compliant and not be forced to keep it extremely stiff the way that the ground effect cars have to be run.
Much better suspension, more consistent down-force, more down-force, and the old regs also had bigger wider tires with smaller rims and a more rubber. So even the tires themselves were better suited. The difference in the size of the tires is so large you can see the difference just by comparing them in the video.
It's also worth mentioning that those cars were developed before the cost cap era as well. So you had teams spending literally like 5-6X what's currently spent per season to develop and run these cars. Under the old regs the cars themselves were far more expensive, and had more people working on/developing them. And that's all in addition to a set of regs that allowed them to create much faster, better F1 cars.
The technological progress and institutional learning since 2020 cannot make up for all of those other factors.
@@e2rqey That's very interesting, thanks for the explanation!
If you think the W11 looks quick, you should look at the V8s and V10s. Heck, go look at the manual gearbox era, those things looked like rocket ships.
@@456MrPeople Yeah I know what you mean. I've been watching F1 since late 80's/early 90's. Not sure if those cars were faster though, but they were smaller and more nimble/agile which made racing way more exciting than what we've had for the last 10 years.
Its how fat, long and heavy these new cars are, they’re not go carts they used to be, its a shame.
Great content once again. Cheers!
1 thing to remember here as well is, bahrain gp in 2020 was end of november so "party mode" was banned. So how much quicker would this lap be if they were allowed to be at full power.
Or if Mercedes did a Ferrari and bypassed the fuel flow limit.
Nice and welcome video!!
Can't wait for the RB21... the last of it's gen!!
That W11 isn’t just fast, but all around great car. The grip is crazy, Lewis and Valterri can throw the wheel left and right and it will go exactly where you want it
W11 was well designed and developed since we still compare it to new car and still beats them out of the park
It was mostly DAS that gave it its advantage. The FIA always bans the most interesting innovations.
@@456MrPeople Fr. They take away the fun
Even if you close your eyes you can clearly hear how much sooner and more violently the W11 comes back on gas editing corners. Incredible car.
Am I the only one who misses the "old" sound of the first V6 engines?
I won't even talk about the V8 and V10's, but the W11 had a decent sound, while the new cars sound like vacuum cleaners.
Its because of the westegate that is not seperated anymore.
Glad I was around to witness the W11
I wonder which year of the pre-ground effect cars the RB20 is equivalent to in lap times. Maybe 2017?
Edit: 2016 was a 1:29.493, 2017 was 1:28.769, so if we account for track limits being different, and using Leclerc's Q2 time of 1:29.165, the current cars are still a good bit behind 2017.
It's also pretty cool how different the engine note is between the two. The Merc is very raw and raspy, whereas the Honda is super smooth with that turbo whistle.
Still - that's ~0.4s difference compared to 2017, with a car that is 76kg heavier.
The engine/exhaust sounds are heavily influenced by microphone positioning. Not sure if the difference is so big in "real life".
Lol turbo whistle...
Depends on the track really these cars works too differently to be compared
For example in 2023 the cars beat by 1 second the previous Baku qualifying record and they’re pretty close to older track record in tracks with either long straights or fast corners
It is very possible next year these cars to be equal. Which is crazy with almost 80kg heavier cars.
Amazing content , subscribed. It would be great if u could make a video comparing the W11 and RB6
Love the channel 👍🏻
Love how the 2020 onboard sounds
Then the FIA changed the rules hitting Mercedes and bringing Red Bull closer the year later and took away Lewis’ 8th title.
W11 is monster
Its impressive how much these ground effect cars have been developed in such short time. I think it could be neck and neck if the weight was similar and the wheels were smallers thereby having less unsprung mass
I though hamilton had never seen a car as fast as the RB 19 ;D
Cant see a W11 if your in it.
Compared to the rest of the field. Not in outright speed.
DTS fan
Shut up, max aka 2021 fake champion embarrassing fanbase searching for hate. Bunch of stupid people
@@paultyga4153wdym? He said it in interviews though? Nice try 👍
One big factor I haven't seen anyone mentions it, is the weight, what if we put 50kg in W11's cockpit?
F1 cars lose roughly 0.3s/lap per 10kg of weight on most circuits. So it would be 1.5s/lap slower... which is still faster than the RB20. Pretty crazy really :p
it would still be faster than the RB20. Especially if you allowed them to disperse the weight over the whole car how they wanted to. it's not like it would just be plopped in the cockpit
@@kenvanpassen9247 I know, W11 will be faster but not by a huge margin. By your assumption, it'll be 4 tenths faster which shows how much this generation of cars progressed, I am pretty sure despite the weight difference next year RB21 will be within 1 second of W11(the fastest F1 car in the history).
@@e2rqey Yes, no doubt it'll be faster but not nearly 2 seconds, right?
Not to mention, he probably gained 2/10 by the track limits out of turn four(yes, I know it was legal)
if you take into consideration that the RB20 is carrying 80kg more weight, this is actually very impressive. In the next regs they need to lower the weight, the cars are becoming boats.
They have been boats since the hybrid era. I want to see manual gearbox era sized cars back because those looked like rocket ships because of how nimble they were. Obviously that’s not happening due to safety regulations, so I’ll settle for V8 era size.
W11 corner speed so fast! 😮
This video makes me realize how bad the new regulations are
if anything this shows how insane the redbull is currently to keep up with the W11 so closely
It's interesting that under these new ground effect regs the min weight of the cars is 796kg which is 50kg heavier than 2020 regs. That translates to approx 1.5 seconds of time lost just due to increased weight. So keeping that in mind the RB20 qualy time is seriously impressive as these GE regs are still quite new.
the w11 is so unreal that it looks like a videogame
Damn....that W11 is a machine 🔥 even against the rb20
the RB16 was faster than the RB20... at Bahrain
RB16 1:27.678
RB20 1:29.179
@@d.mat.zero6525 Track limits made that up. They could pass the white line in 2020, at least 7 tenths there alone
A very big factor in the lap times is.... car weight. the 2024 car is about 50kg heavier, or about half a tank of fuel more.
Hamilton + W11 was immense. I would like to see what Hamilton could do in the RB20 or even RB19?
On this same track same year,
W11 lap 1:27.2
RB16 lap 1:27.6
Ferarri SF90 lap 1:27.8 in 2019.
Ferarri SF71H lap 1:27.9 in 2018.
Basically 2018, 2019 and 2020 f1 car are faster than 2024 f1 car.
nothing at all. just as fast as Perez.
@@heideroosje12 That is an insult
@@GameOver-nm2usyes it is, but realistically Max would wipe the floor with Lewis in equal machinery, they have had completely different upbringings, Max is a purebred racer and that’s not to discredit Lewis’ amazing skill
@@justadummy8076 no, realistically they would be neck and neck every single race up until the very end
track conditions and tires definitely play a role here, as well as weight. Funny is the average qualifying pace was FASTER than 2021's Q3 lap times. That is mighty impressive of what they have done to claw back performance despite the weight penalty.
Can’t wait for this comparison at tracks like Hungary, Silverstone and Spa
It's very close, poor Lulu
This video proves it is not just the car but the driver as well as how well you use your surroundings.
The old cars just looks and sounds more lively. The new cars with the exception of Redbull are dogs to drive
let me guess, you have been testing them?if no, how can u say so?
@@Andrea-vl6mf they're heavy and slow to react until the ground effect kicks in. It's not an exciting look.
@@Andrea-vl6mf You can litterally see them going much slower at low speed
@@Andrea-vl6mf they went from looking like space ships to looking like melted bars of soap.
And the funniest thing people called the 2020 cars trucks/boats compared to the mid 2000s cars lol
Now they’re seen as fighter jets compared to the boats of the ground effect cars lol
Great video
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This is awesome, could you make the same video for Monza? I'm curious how the high speed corners will benefit the new regs car.
Small tip: please also add a fully uncut side by side at the end. It's cool to have the explanation, but it's also frustrating if we just wanna see the lap :)
We are pretty much back at 2021 speeds now. Next year we might be at 2018-2019 levels depending on the track.
Points to note:
-W11 is 60kg lighter than RB20
-W11 used softer tires, C4 vs C3 in RB20
-W11 had better track conditions and more agressive engine mode than RB20
-W11 had no track limits, while RB20 had a punishable track limits.
Given all those factors, it's not that impressive as people are making it look, 1.9 seconds is actually what you expect since 60kg more alone makes the car slower by 1.7 seconds
w11 is every driver's dream car..the speed and the grip 👌
All things aside its actually speaks millions to the fact that the rb holds up this good with worse conditions already, and could keep up with the w11 in a small part of the track too. And you can throw away your football style stupid mindset out the window this perfomance speaks to the team that made the rb and Max for bringing out that perfomance.
Also you could make this comparisons with the w11 every same track they race on, would be interesting to see the differences, hopefully we get other cars taking pole giving us a chance of comparing them with the w11 not just the rb.
Man, i know this is about these amazing machines.. but i just can't stop thinking about what kind of emotions an F1 driver cares about winning, knowing they had a beast of a car back then.
It would drive me insane 😅
I think the perfect formula for the cars is them having the size and weight of the 2016 cars, while having the ground effect. The cars would be quicker on the straights and corners since it would be lighter than the 2017-2021 cars while having almost the same downforce levels
That’s impossible due to safety regulations.
@@456MrPeople I don't think it's impossible. Scarbs said that a lot of the weight on the suspension is down to components being designed with aero in mind. They could also remove a lot of the electronics etc if they wanted to meet a certain weight limit. The current length is largely dictated by teams wanting to control aero effect. They could easily be packaged shorter with fuller sidepods.
Just shows you how much of a monster that car was.
I'm waiting for another monster with the letter w
fW45? :P
I think i heard something about boost button in the last grand Prix by mercedes,i read a few years ago ,that this is being introduced like indycar
the acceleration on that w11 is nuts
People talk about the W11 beig impressive here, but honestly its the RB20 thats impressive to me. The new regs have worse suspension, way heaver, track limits are stricter etc. To be within 2s is insane from red bull
Give it a few years and we are back there
Imagine if we're able to use the W11 this season😥 I wanna see that car dominate again
Forgot to consider weather temp here. Nov vs Mar.
The whole purpose of 2022 regulations was to make the cars follow closer and for F1 to be more competitive. However, there is no battle at the front - even though the rest of the field is quite close, much closer than before. So I don't know if 2022 regs fulfilled anything other than having another team at the top. Teams are roughly where they always were. The cars didn't get any faster comparing to 2020 / 2021. And they got heavier. So I truly don't know what I whink of these new ground effect cars.
Very interesting!
I'm wondering if the new cars will be faster at some point in the future, because how the old generation (W11) was built makes more sense for a faster car but F1 is always improving so it's kinda even.
Do you have a video comparing a race lap and a qualifying lap side by side?
Also, track limits on turn 4 are different from 2020, so Lewis may've gotten advantage on both braking, cornering and exit of Turn 4.
Oh god, that sound gives me anxiety😢😂
I'm not a Mercedes fan but that car looked so good to drive, and in my favorite livery, plus I think this was the car we could actually watch Hamilton driving skills, imo he was way more sharp and aggressive in his style and the car just complies.
Extra 50kg weight minimum making a huge difference. F1 needs to really look into going back to smaller lighter weight regs
Why in the corners Lewis always was a gear down but then in the middle corner he had a gear to be in the same? What is better? Lower gear on entry and add a gear middle corner or same gear in the entirety of the corner?
can't wait for w11 vs rb20 at monza
That RB sounds like it’s been smoking too many cigarettes on downshifts
Oh boy you should see the blown diffuser cars then.
W11 was so flat through corners, loved it
A RB durante os treinos é uma coisa, quando chega o dia da prova da a entender que alteram o software do carro ou algo do género não é so o piloto que conta se não na qualificação a RB não tinha ido a boleia de outro carro para se qualificar.
But it’s not just the car it the goat that made it drive like that Hamilton did that
Hamilton was out of the track at 1:15, that makes a lot of difference and gave him an advantage at this point!
Everyone already knows this but the w11 was quicker in all sectors beside that
@Yelistener How much is the different in time from 13' wheels to 18' wheels?
A lot because rotational inertia grows with the square of the radius. An 18 in wheel has almost double the inertia as a 13 in.
The change in the regulations in 2022 was supposed to make sure there will not be such a situation of a team leading by far from the rest, closer racing, overtake more easilly and safer cars. Now someone tell me if it was worth it to have a 2 s slower cars after 3 years of car development
It can be also looked at how the RB20 makes the extra 50Kg look like way less, which is impressive.
RB19 was dominant and RB20 seems to continue that trend. But seeing the W11 heads up comparison just reminds me of how gleeful it was to watch the W11 turn in on corners flat out and not even have to lift. That car was a sight to behold.
Can we also mention that despite the aero differences, the rb20 has an engine which is 4 years newer than the w11 so it will and should be more advanced than the w11. With that being said the w11 is an absolute beast since it's still quicker than the rb20 4 years on :;
RB's engine is, if they are lucky, maybe close to being equal to Merc's Power unit in the W11. It almost certainly hasn't surpassed it. The Mercedes power unit isn't just insanely performant. It's also one of the most fuel efficient engines ever made. I don't think RB has matched the Merc power unit across all metrics (performance, reliability, efficiency)
Nah bro they're using a new fuel since 2022 that nerfed the engines by 30hp and in 2020 they had party mode and engine mode, RB20 must have the same power of W11 given the engine and mode nerfs. Also, the engine are freeze since 2022, so no 4 years of development there, only 2. 2024 engine is the same from 2022 engine, literally the same
@@JotaV2502thats true man completely forgot about the new fuel and engine freeze 👍🏽👍🏽
Na verdade parece meio desproporcional essa comparação. Carros de pesos diferentes. Isso influencia diretamente no resultado final!!
Feels bad bro.
Saw no DRS on during the RB20 lap either.
that w11 is a Monster
you should compare it with 2021 cars , that would be interesting how improved the ground effect cars and getting closer to the 2021 lap time (even though 2021 cars will still be faster in general)