Are One Page Rules BETTER Than 40K 10th Edition? YES. And here is why. A Rant.
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May I also add a huge point you have missed, "Works with OnePageRules" is a program they run behind the scenes so that if an artist sculpts a faction that works with OPR they have stickers you can put on the images and even will advertise your sculpts to their audience, OPR love the hobby and artists and it shows.
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Your profile picture is disgusting
OPR has saved the Hobby for me and my son. We started in 7th, like you. In less that ten years I will have bought all of the codexes for our armies FOUR TIMES (now including 10th). I just can’t afford it. And our games were becoming boring and dragged out. NOW our games are fun and engaging again. A 3,000 point game was done in 4 hours. In GW rules it would have easy been twice that.
I mist admit,I don't think we ever spend more than 2 hours on a game up to 3500 points.
Opr moves fast and is deadly in a good way
Playing a 3 hour game for 1500-2000 in GW feels like such a slog.
And the first two hours would be round one.
With one player standing around scratching themselves, roll a couple armor saves and removing models.
Outside of collectors, why does anyone buy codex? I mean, I have some sympathy for newcomers who don't know any better (pays to do your research, though), but after the first one you should really know better.
I decided to get into 40k at the tail end of 8th. No one said, "Hey a new edition is coming out in two weeks." So, I bought 8th for my son and I , but didn't get to play until 9th. Big ole 8th rulebook, barely opened it. My son and I tried a couple of games of 9th...it sucked. He was so bored! So was I. Then I found Grimdark Future! We loved it. Use the lore and models from 40k but the rules for GDF. Well the 10th hype-train came. We bought the Leviathan box and two back of army cards. Well, we've played a few combat patrol games....why do ours take hours to play when everyone says 90 minutes tops? Well, I'm coming right back to GDF and OPR!
Same happened to me 6th ed. that bastard at the gw store could have mentioned there will be a new Edition next month. In germany books are not allowed to be discounted, so you always pay the original gw store price…
Never buy a codex/rule book unless you are going to a tournament 💯
8th was much better than 9th, it's a shame you didn't get a chance to try it.
How's it going 9 months after ?
OPR is still amazing even after over 50 games. Fun to play, as much complexity as we want, and the ability to get in more than one game a day! Never looking back, but the only problem is I still have a crap ton 40k and AOS books that will only collect dust now.
what i love about OPr is that its so simple in its core that i can play the skrimish version of Grim Dark or Fantasy with my 6 year old and we both have fun
Oh, that's wholesome.
Hope you two have a lot of fun and make a bunch of great memories together.
Agreed. I play with my 5 year old, minus morale rules and we love it.
I frickin' love OPR. The dudes are really responsive and they care about the internal and external balancing of the game. It's not perfect, but heck - it's pretty close to a 40-60 split in balancing with a huge number of armies, so that's an achievement in and of itself. The battles are quick and fun. The only thing that is stifling the growth of OPR locally are GW loyalists. People just can't fathom to play a different wargame than 40k.
My friend calls OPR a 'cope' for people who 'can't understand the rules'; I think a lot of it is just sunken cost fallacy and hey if you get wh40k 10th rules intuitively then there's no reason to learn a whole new system. Would be ideal if 40k had 2 different rules, one for competitive and one for casual play. I really do want to try OPR because it's hard to schedule out 6 hours of my day to roll dice for one game. Would rather get a whole tournament in by that time using OPR.
@@palwinderdhillon8242 I love Games Workshops minis. But they are expensive so I buy them rarely. I can't stand Warhammer 40k the game anymore, I started in 4th edition, played again in 6th edition and just don't have the time for the army building metagame and the 2-3 hour long games. OPR lets me use my old 40k minis as well as any cool new minis I want from other creators in a game that is fun and can be played in less time for much less up front cash. When OPR 3.0 comes out I don't have to buy a new rulebook, i'll just get it from the $5 patreon subscription ( i have the $10 so I can supply STL files to my friend with a 3d printer ). It's just a game for people who are wargaming hobbyists first and warhammer fans second. A lot of warhammer fans like to forget that tons of other wargames exist including your dads ( or grand dads ) historical wargames.
I do wonder how much of GWs stranglehold comes from having people who don’t play official tournaments who just want the option to maybe play them at some point.
It needs to spread further across the hobbysphere, very good system. Gw should take note and move in line with gf
I thought with 10th there might be some - the early release materials seemed to be taking some hints. But alas not
Love OPR. Other than the quick play I really like that heroes/leaders are slightly more powerful compared to regular troops, but not insanely powerful. Also, fantastic army app which is Freeeeeeeeeee
And they have a new army forge version that actually lets you make custom armies. Just need to be a tier one patreon member.
They also are releasing a new edition very, very soon
The alternating activations are absolutely the biggest draw for me in GDF. The 40k, "I go you go," format is a 40 year old dinosaur that needs to go extinct. Games like Battletech and Grim Dark future simulate simultaneous exchange while 40k expects you to believe that one army is going to stand there and get shot for an hour before it does anything.
I came from Age of Sigmar and it has the same issues as 40k. The great thing about OPR is that it allowed me financially and intellectually to get from Age of Fantasy and then into Grimdark Future, enjoying both eras and beyond that, multiple armies in each. You don't have to spend all your money and time investing into expensive models and just learning how your army even works.
OPR does a lot of things well: Units have identities and roles, you have a basic rock paper scissor system, and it is easy to play, yet hard to master. For a tournament in Age of Fantasy with 10 players, we got four rounds in, everyone had a unique army and, at least I personally, wasn't even nearly as exhausted as after one full round of 40k. It costs you nothing to test the system and you can only gain enjoyment from it.
I can't agree more. I've been in the hobby for 35 years! I've been defending GW and their "business" for more then 30 years and have felt let down far too often. 9th was the "that's it" moment for me and started looking elsewhere. OPR has definitely saved my hobby and I can honestly say I wish them the best in the future, and hope more people play the game.
Try it people, it costs you nothing to try this game - rules and army books all free to download and I bet you that you already have models to use. I've not looked back since, absolutely love the game, the rules and having a company that respects and values their player base is amazing.
OPR has a lot going for it. Firefight is underrated. With the free army builder you can build a list print your squad and be playing pretty fast. 30-60 min for a game with alternating activation. it hits that sweet point
Army forge - you can build your army and then it makes the unit cards for you with all of the special rules and 'your' squads stats and weapons. It's free period.
You can make your dream army with few restrictions, you can even make your own faction
On melee, it's great, especially when it's an either or choice, not a both thing. Melee units like the starthost raptor riders can just tank around the board with charge and fast abilities.
I'm still on the verge of getting into the hobby generally. I bought a 40k Starter set because I thought it was the sane thing to do and assembling and painting the minis so far has been fun but I cannot get over all of the rules and special rules for the minis. I don't have any friends in the mini hobby so I wanted to be "patient 0". Well that's not going to happen with a game system that constantly needs new hardcover books. Has extremely expensive books and waaay to many incomprehensible rules. By the time my printer arrived, I was already exhausted and printed only a few of OPR's minis and painted them. Then life took a few wild turns and now I have time again to start over. This time I think I'm just gonna build two armies and play a round or two of OPR by myself to see if that printer is gonna be an army printer or a show model printer and if I can be "patient 0" for something simple and fun like OPR instead of something extremely expensive, frustrating and exhausting as Warhammer. (No hate just my experience so far).
The hobby overall is great. I used to work for a game company for several years, during which I had to learn the rules for over 30 different miniature games, and I can honestly say I have enjoyed the OPR ruleset far more than I have enjoyed just about any other gaming system.
As for GW, they are the biggest kid on the block and thus first exposure for many, but the company has frankly become one of the worst examples. I played 40k for 25 years, regularly all the way from 2nd ed to 7th, and then a smattering of 8th, 9th and 10th. Modern 40k is terrible. Period. GW went full in on the greed and price gouge their customer base to no end.
Back in the late 90s when I started you could get a GW box of 5 models for $15-20 (I'm in Australia). Now it's very rarely less than $80, and commonly breaching $100. 3d printing and pirate chinese/russian recasts of GW kits are rampant here for these reasons.
I also heard one of the TH-cam channels voice the theory that GW has now moved from a miniatures company into a toy company and I would agree. They no longer care much about the game aspect, and certainly don't care for the customer base. Many of the former players who remain with GW now only stay for the story. The game and the models are far too expensive for even many veterans to maintain.
You'll find anyone who has been playing as long as I have will usually say anywhere from 3rd-5th edition was the best for 40k, and OPR plays very much like that style. It's easy to learn, and plays very nicely. You also don't need too many models.
I do love opr and supported it as soon as I found it. My only criticism is it does lack a bit of depth sometimes but as a rules system its very good.
It's a shame more people near me don't want to play it as they only play 40k.
Gw should take note but they won't, really should be effort from the community to push it more.
i agree that at first gaze it seems that it has no depth, but this is a very good base game to place custom table narrative stuff on to make it more interesting. recently army building is even more interesting than in 10th because of point costs being proper
It has plenty their advanced rules has tons of options you can pick and choose as many or little as you want to make games more complex or as simple as you want 😄 they keep adding stuff and listen to their fans and customers. Plus if you just want the rules it's like 5 bucks
Use grim dark future as the ruleset, and GW material for ideas of narratives and lore, win win, as even though GW may try to keep lore and narratives under their iron grip, there are tons of webpages and youtube videos covering 40k lore and narratives, if you want narrative driven battles
@@yagsipcc287was just about to post this, they have a more robust rulebook on sale that has things like extra missions, strategems(dont worry, they only have universal strats and they dont slow the game down) terrain rules, and more.
Played OPR through the second half of 9th edition. I liked the allies rules so I could field imperium soup again but it did feel like certain guard units were identical to certain sisters units and so on however it was pretty fun
You can use nearly anything in OPR. They have ready rules for armies then there is the community books section. That is where anything you want can be created. I am uploading a battle report on my channel right now that is "guard and inquisitor" force fighting against Xenomorphs. Yes the acid blood, big head, craws on the ceiling xenomorphs.
I'm going to be doing more games in the near future on more community books to show what is out there. Cowboys in mech suits fighting goblin revolutionaries? Its in there. Want the covenant from halo fighting starwars clone troopers? Its in there too.
Agreed! I created an Aliens vs Predator game simply using OPR Firefight rules. Works for anything!
Can't agree more!
Played 40K since 2nd edition, back when Gee Dub still encouraged creativity and fun. I'd rather crap broken glass than drop a nickel on 40K anymore. Got a buddy into OPR, and we're both loving it. Print your army, roll dice and get on with it. What really hit me about their Army Forge was you can create your own army codex. Right from scratch.
Want a beast men army with the Thundercats as the leaders? Write it up.
That feature really won this old gamer over to them.
Another amazing thing about OPR is due to it's simple system and the good balancing with not too many variables it's also really flexible and modable without risking to break the game.
There a a lot of mods in the full rules already but recently I added a command token system inspired by the old Warmachine rules. At the start of the round, you get as many command tokens as you have units. In addition, each player gets +d6 command tokens (same amount). Alternating activations still. When you activate, you have to spend command points to do so. First activation costs one CT, but you can also double a triple activate with the cost of maybe not activating other units at all. Second activation costs 2 additional CT, third costs 4 CT, fourth costs 8 CT and so on. It gets expensive quickly so you don't just activate the best unit over and over, but it adds tactical depth since you can move further to reach an important objective or double attack in a clutch.
In addition, I modded the standard fatigue system. Instead of tracking who already fought melee with those units only hitting on 6+ now, for each time a unit already has activated in it gets a -1 to all fight actions (melee, ranged, casting but not morale, saving throws etc.). If you double a triple activate a unit, you get deminishing returns since it fatigues, works like a charm both narritively and mechanically.
In addition, instead of it always being the most logical decision to try to kill a unit that has not yet activated to rob you opponent of an activation, now it is also equally good to attack units that have already activated since it fights back weaker. This goes for both mods, since now if you kill an unactivated unit, your opponent still has the command token and can maybe use it to activate another unit.
I use this in concunction with the obejtive cards, so I added the rule that left over command tokens at the end of the round that could not be spent can be used to redraw objective cards.
Overall, these mods work really really well since they add tactical depth and player agency without overcomplicating anything and hurting the main strength of OPR, that being its simplicity. This is just one example of what you can do with OPR. Really solid core system.
Coming into this late...OPR is seeing a tremendous amount of play...and I have been told by a couple friends at GW that 11th ed is going to be heavily influenced by OPR...personally, I'm surprised that 10th ed didn't follow it more.
Even if the _game_ becomes heavily influenced by OPR, the business model sure as heck won't be, so while it might keep people who are already in, I doubt it'll lure pretty much anyone back from OPR...
I've been playing opr instead of 10th ed and its by far my favourite. I'm happy to leave the game of 40k behind for this rule set. I can't support thud company enough!
3rd edition was a melee friendly game. First turn drive forward pop smoke. 2nd turn drive jump out and charge. Big ordinance markers were a problem as always.
The only changes that edition needed was an improvement to rapid fire weapons. Making units of 1 like dreads target CC attacks like characters. To many powerfist upgrades in units. Finally get do somthing about templates. Not sure what but battle/demolisher cannons etc. Hell even the griffon siege mortar were just a bit to good.
None of that trial assualt rules they tried to fob on us towards the end either. Boo trial assault rules
Been painting collecting 40k for 3.5 years, but have only played one game of 40k and it didn't really do it for me. I have my first game of One page rules scheduled next week and Im super excited! I think ill prefer OPR over 40k. 40k isn't going anywhere so its all about having multiple options
Edit: I'v now played two games of OPR grimdark and it's been so much fun. I'm working on getting more people into it so i have more people to play
Started in 2nd ed, quit around 5th
Believe me, GW used to be like GDF - they used to promote alternate minis, alternative paints, show you how to convert, have sales and competitions and big up their communities. 3rd and 4th were designed to be accessible to new players - rules were streamlined, the game was simpler.
In addition, boxed sets didn't contain terrain or other faff you didn't need - the Deathwing boxset had a chaplain on a bike, a squadron of 3 scout bikes, 3 bikes with a heavy bike and 2 of the antigrav mini-tanks, for example
That all stopped towards the end of 4th - me and friends saw the greed and price gouging and the way GW changed - that's why we quit
It makes me sad, cos you guys have lost out on seeing GW games really being a community thing, with all the strange minis, ideas, rules and games that go with it
I still have my GW make your own terrain book. I miss those days
I love that OPR doesn't make you multi task like your working the drive through during a lunch rush. That's work.
OPR is fun. Heck I'm going to be giving Elves ago because I like going fast and hitting hard it it helped me know I like the risk and speed contrary to slow and tough I originally played.
I think that one page rules would be better with d10s to stretch the divisions between the units a little more with only 2 dice roll steps
It would be better, but it's also going to simplicity, and grab people who were playing GW games. Those people are used to using D6's and have a lot of them lying around.
i hope there will be an edition with d10 in the future. The other version with the D6 could stay.
But I have to admit that it is not that difficult to expand OPR with d10. we do it in a group.
D6s are literally everywhere (even in old board games). And the math is a bit simpler than with D10s.
@@JoeKundlakThe actual math is simpler with d10s if you care about probabilities. But otherwise, the main advantage D6 have is indeed accessibility, they can be found everywhere and for cheap too.
I agree, and I have a buddy who’s been harping on a desire for the hobby to shift to d10s for a long time, and I’ve told him that it’s just not gonna happen. D6s are too plentiful and standard. That change just won’t happen except in niche board games at best.
The thing is, much of the OPR rules design reminds me very much of 4th Edition 40k (4th and 5th were my wargaming jam back in the day; the best the game has ever been, and only 8th comes close, maybe). They took what made 40k great, boiled it down to its core, and added alternating activation. Good stuff.
LoL
I remember how back in the day I had played 4th ed in ”king of the hill battle royale” style with my brother and friends. 😂 It was very epic to have Blood Angels w/ one Black Templar mini, my Finnish Winter war themed Imperial Guardsmen, Necrons, and Abaddon leading Chaos Marines trying to control the center of our battlefield… these days I have cut my monetary support for GW eversince their ”ZERO tolerancy for fan animations” policy, just when I was about to start making stopmotions with my 40k minis…
I started in 5th, about half way through, give or take. And I wish we could go back to that time. GDF gets us close. My only real complaint that I have, and it's unfair to OPR, is the vastness of lore behind it. There has been decades of stuff written for Warhammer, they just can't compete on that front. Other than that, I'm just waiting on some friends to come back to town to play.
If you think GW is gouging players in Europe do check prices in Australia or Japan. In the UK a Cerastus is 15£ extra over a Questoris, in Japan it's 60£ just because GW can.
I've looked over at one page rules for a while and lately, especially with GW's treatment of the Custodes, it's looking more attractive. My friends only play online over Tabletop Sim, and I'm thinking about getting them to try it.
I don't hate 10th edition, I do think it's an improvement on 9th. But even with 10th's streamlining there are some aspects of the game I miss like points costs on upgrades. Even a basic infantry unit has a number of interesting upgrade choices to change up the way they play. So much of your 40k knowledge carries over and the hardest part is remembering you don't have to worry about some of the bloat. Alternate activations are a huge plus that I can't believe 40k didn't switch to yet. And getting rid of the redundant roll to wound makes so much sense. It feels like it focuses more on what really matters and doesn't sweat the small stuff. I am excited to give it a try soon. I also like being able to support the underdog. GW needs to know they aren't our only choice.
I should note the point pricing is very different from 40k. OPR is higher priced pointwise. You need to add about 25% to make equivilent GW.
I find 250 is good for firefight, 1k is a small game with a handful of units, 2500 is a good sized game. 3k+ if you want to have titan scale units
Aegis doesn't give every grey knight a 5+ regeneration.
It gives them a 4+ regeneration against psychic attacks and 6+ against everything else.
Yup, you are right, but most likely, it did not fit on the one page...
Called it, for an easy, straithforward system like checkers or chess, yup, 1 page works.
For a tabletop strategy game with tons of different pieces of terain, armies and units... nope.
@@hendrikmoons8218The Aegis rule fits easily on the army list for Knight Brothers. It’s one page for the rules, one page for your army roster & special rules.
@@hendrikmoons8218- lol, showing you don't understand how the game works, right?
@@danielcrafter9349 Re-read my comment. It still stands.
OPR is iDeal for introduction games and a mini game that needs to be done in under 40 min.
For the bigger games, like WH40k, well, a bigger rulebook Will do. Want more proof? OPR is now 14 pages of rules.
Conclusies: The Joke is on you.
@hendrikmoons8218 do you have a learning and/or reading disability?
OPR has brought conversions back into wargaming imo. GW went out of their way to make kitbashing harder with their changes in sculpts and then started killing off models I own. Really disappointed me since the creativity I put into my armies is why I do it. I like making it mine. I can do that again thanks to OPR.
I switched to OPR a couple years ago. A resin 3d printer cost less then a GW army. For 10 bucks a month you get a ton of models each month. I will never spend another penny on GW. You also get great terrain and the legendary models are huge. OPR also plays in a 3rd of the time, can play 2-3 games in the time it takes to play GW games. There are advanced rules you can make it as complicated as you want. OPR tries really hard to balance the armies so all you GW players who like to play I win armies will not like OPR.
Agree 100%!
Cheers to freedom from GW prices and shenanigans!
Big fan of non specific miniture games like OPRs and I would recommend Wylocks Armory OPR playlist for some good content.
It’s almost like GW rules are written to sell more models and rewritten to sell more books and models
but without the "almost"
I thought it was a good idea that GW were nicking aspects of OPR for 40k 10th edtion. Then I saw how they implemented those things without understanding what makes OPR compelling compared to 40k and realized 40k is never going to get better. So I should stick with OPR.
I love the idea of OPR! And you can 3D print your own models and run them as totally legit if you find a sculpt that fits the theme, which is awesome.
i love this video so much! have been playing on and off Grimdark Future for 2 years. i am loving the advanced rules and my custom fan armies i designed! now the only thing remaining is give us OPR players our own channel on your discourd server Northern :D
My wife and I are in a 'sealed deck' Grimdark Future campaign - each player has used Army Forge to create a random list, starting at 750 points.
Each month we add 250 points - and allow folks to either generate a 250 list to add, or generate a whole new list at the new points value. (If someone really does not like their list.)
I play AoF and we are having a blast. Rekindled a lot of 80s miniatures.
Preach, Brother!
Rules are great, games are fast, Discord is active, they listen and take submissions from the player-base, their attitude is one of gamers, not profiteers. I hope it just grows and grows. I even bought the Full Rulesets from WargameVault to support them.
The pricing for those opr models are not good, and you don't get extra bits, and other stuff, like you do from gw. For usd it's $18.50 for 5 dynasty scouts, which they've got 4 different model options that come as is. Would be nice if they sold them as unassembled models, and allowed you to buy extra weapons bits, so you can magnetize them. I love opr, and I am subbed to them for 3d printing, but the store pricing is really high as well, gw and opr store both need to drop the pricing down a bit, but I don't think opr can, cause that site takes a cut.
I think that is mostly the store partner - it's a 3rd party doing the prints and shiping etc. I think in one of the hangouts, they mentioned this and had to simplify the number of pieces and number of items in the store.
I should note too that the 3d store prices are pretty on par, and all you need to do is subscribe for 1 month and get the 70% discount, buy then unsubscribe if you want
Only-games is not great as a retailer. It takes a while to get models and the pricing is only marginally better. Where OPR shines is in the 3d prints STL files. They are high quality and pre-supported. If you know someone with a resin printer you can have a whole 2000pt force for the cost of a gallon of resin.
You got me to give 40k a chance and it alright. So combat patrols! I have the rules for several armies print and brought data cards for 6 factions, However Deamons, Battle sisters and Tau I'm going to be using OnePageRules models for as their versions are awesome and cost me pretty much nothing.
I started collecting Guard (and Bretonnians) in 2005. I for various reasons I never played a game of 40k until last year, I'd played plenty of historicals and things like kill team. I found 40k so agonisingly slow, tried OPR two weeks ago and I loved it.
Finally. Someone gets it why our Warhammer group likes to create our own rule sets. Not only does it speed up our games, it also allows more people in our group to play together on game days.
I am giving 10th edition a solid try, with the index cards and app (which pisses me off now I have to pay for it), but I think in the long run when codex creep happens I am just going to have to get rid of 40k once and for all. Either going with One Page Rules or Stargrunt II.
I grew up playing Mage Knight which I still think is the best tabletop game to date, and the thing I loved most about it was you could learn how to play the game in about 30 minutes.
MK was a bit unbalanced though (which was lore-accurate) however it actually made things feel pretty good. The three most powerful factions on the table were also the three most powerful factions in the lore and taking less powerful factions was respected because everyone knew you were playing at a slight disadvantage.
Overall, I loved how it was
*Easy to play, hard to master*
The best games have this feature.
Oh and the other best part of the game was how activations worked.
You got 1 activation per 100 pts.
Each unit could take one action (move, attack, charge, break away) per turn. (Games were usually 400-500 pts. With the big boys being like 80-150 pts for a single figure.)
The next turn that unit could “rest” or it could “push.” If it rested, it would stay in place doing nothing. If it pushed it would take one damage to its click-dial. Units could not activate 3 turns in a row. After pushing the unit would be “fatigued” and have to remain stationary to rest.
Speaking click-dials: click-dials were amazing! They contained the entire data card with diminishing stats on the base of the model itself! A model could have a maximum of 11 clicks (11 wounds).
I loved orcs because orcs enraged near death. Their second to last click of health was always their most extreme!
I could rant and rave about MK all day. Sadly it was not really supported by WizKids after they abandoned it to make money with HeroClix.
Also, the power curve killed the game in 2.0.
Anyway, GDF seems pretty good, still not as great as MK but at least people are trying.
i almost sold all my 40k+AoS armies, but last week i was introduced to OPR and now i have a purpose for my AoS and 40k miniatures. Easy to learn, building your army is easy as hell. If someone wants to try wargaming OR if you are thinking about quitting 40k/aos, give OPR a go!
The beauty of this game for me is not shorter games but the larger size armies in the same time frame as a 40k game. 4000 points a side with the draw bag turn variant is epic fun that fits in a night of gaming!
OPR is fine, problem is finding a consistent group of people to play with. That's the strength of GW games, there's almost always a ready to play community to step into.
You forgot to memtion the FREE paper models they offer to new players so they dont have to commit to buying.
I play Battletech and I also have found ways to make my game quicker and easier. The game is already cheap, but complex in its normal game. There is Alpha Strike that turns Battletech into a mass combat game, or a simple game, but can feel a bit too simple as all weapons get blended down into a single value on the stats, just like every other model.
Then I found an eight page, 3rd party rulebook called MechaForce: Tactical Combat Game. It slots right into the middle of the two games. The Mechs are simple, but still have individual character as separate weapons are still a thing. Interestingly, it also fixes one weird bit of rules. In regular BT a huge gun is the shortest ranged gun, which is not how real life is. In MechaForce the bigger of the two guns (there are only two) is the longer ranged one. Overall it is like playing BattleTech without the hit locations, and only half the weapon types, which is still enough to make each mech feel different.
I started playing Warhammer 40K back at the tail end of 1st Edition (1992). I played for 25 years, but gave up on the game shortly after 8th Edition in 2017. The endless rules bloat, supplements, formations, strategems, FAQs, and books becoming obsolete within months was simply too much. I was through.
OPR's Grimdark Future rejuvenated my passion for army-sized war gaming; I brought my 40K models out of retirement. In addition, OPR inspired me to finally build and paint my ridiculous 'pile of shame' (300+ models). Now, my gaming group and I enjoy playing Grimdark Future and Firefight, and we're having a great time with it. Finally, OPR's Army Forge list builder is utterly fantastic.
Could one technically create an army from several different "codexes?" Like, could I use -Tyranid- Hive warriors, Howling Banshees, and Custodians in one game?
I know it makes absolutely no sense story-wise, but I like models from all different 40k factions, and wonder if I'd be able to play by just collecting my favorites, without having to invest in other types of troops to fill out the roster
Edit: I just tried on their army builder app. You totally can, and it's extremely easy. I'm sold.
Yes, if you're playing casually you can mix and match units. However for game balance purposes you'll want to stick to heroes and transport staying in the same army. So for example, a weird Guard+Tau hybrid list (maybe Gue'vesa conversions) you'd want to stick to having Guard heroes with your Guard troops and stick your Tau inside Tau transports.
I'd also try out the optional rules/expansions. Gang War adds rules for critical hits, terrain effects and other attacks like suppression and overwatch.
I love how you can just make the game as insane as possible.
I very recently discovered OPR. where are the gang war rules? I am a OPR patron as well
@@andreikoenig5718 I'd say as in the discord. Someone there should be able to help.
I played 40k since 2004 and after spending time with Grimdark Future, I haven't played 40k in a couple years. One page rules wins, all day, every time.
The hard part has always been finding players for anything other than 40k
Nice to hear ! I just love how every unit is balanced and doesn't get nerfed after a few year to drive sales on new minis that will eventualy get nerfed.... I'm looking at you stormcast eternals. Mortal realm collection is a nightmare as you get old mini's that lost most of it to the newer ones. OPR saved my collection !
I'm looking even directly at you sancrosant chamber 😂
GW giving me the ultimate proof I have to switch my gang to OPR !
Also very good are : OPR Fantasy Regiments (ie Fantasy Battles) and the Grimdark Future Firefight Gangwars (ie Necromunda)
I just wish there was more survivability to the units in OPR, the fights and battles feel like they get finished too quickly. I like the staged wound rolls and saves from 40k cause that back and forth process creates a sense in my mind of the models fighting to survive a little harder than when they go down to one die roll.
I have tryed out 40k, I loved it. But there was no way I could play it with my son or anyone who was not already in it! But OnePageRules - no problems. Everything is straight forward. Also alternative moves give you absolutely another game dynamics. It is the future! GW knows it and want to do final money drains from their fans.
I bought a 40k starter set a few years ago because I wanted to test the Liquid Chrome on some Terminators. However, when I finished painting the models, I tried the game and it was so boring to me I never touched it again. A few weeks ago I learned about OPR and decided to give it a try as an excuse to use those minis. I had so much fun with it I'm actually willing to buy more models just to play this game. Great video, btw.
Thank you :) and your experience was essentially the same as mine
I have some sma problems woth OPR. Mainly the lack of equivelents to named characters. They used to have Nagash, Allarielle etc equivelents but they're all gone now. I also am not fond of the lack of level 2 wizards and how all level 3 wizards were removed. But OPR is super easy to homebrew so thats cool
Although I have been a fan of 40k, I have never had the time/money/space for playing the wargame. It is absolutely because of OPR that I am finally getting into wargaming. But I am still jealous of all the physical minis/terrain/etc that the 40k players have. But it is still fun to bring some D&D minis to play Age of Fantasy Skirmish. OPR is SO adaptable.
OPR also has paper models / terrain you can use!
I love one page rules. It makes the hobby fun again. Feels like good old 40k from back in 3rd/4th edition when the game was actually simpler and much more fun. There were options available to make the various factions and sub-factions feel unique, but it was nothing like the current rules bloat of modern 40k. And as you said, no 'gotcha' style shenanigans to have to concern yourself with. (Seriously, if GW is going to keep throwing in all these new interrupt options, they might as well cut out the faff and fully embrace alternative turns instead of the IGOUGO system they still use.)
Plus, back in earlier editions everyone had to use the same Force Organisation chart with same options (1-2 HQ, 2-6 Troops, 0-3 each of Elites, Fast Attack and Heavy Support). No multiple detachments in an army, no differing detachments for each army and sub-faction.
10th edition is utterly insane in that regard - by the time GW has finished releasing the 10th edition codices, there will be at least 80 unique detachments across all the various armies, each with their own rules, abilities, stratagems and upgrade options.
Definitely agree about that whole failing to remember your rules thing being like a real solid punch to the guts. After 19 years playing in 40k tournaments I finally bailed out in late 7th after GW brought in formations and the rules became too much to keep track of. I can still recall feeling like crap after playing through three whole tournaments (total of 16 games) and didn't remember to use my formation bonus abilities even once...... Remembered after the weekend was over, them promptly forgot again by the next event.
Tried a handful of games of 8th, 9th and 10th, but none of them held my interest. GW's 40k is just blanket unplayable for me now.
One page rules allows me to do everything i want in an army, often better representing my models wargear choices and army themes better than anything GW currently offers, and allows me to play fun, enjoyable games. Also, whilst there are strong units, nothing is too overpowered, alternating activation means no-one gets alpha striked and utterly stomped on turn 1 with no possible response. There is no going back to regular 40k for me.
watching as I'm getting into 40k in 10th edition. I actually prefer 40k for the very asymmetric armies, the super cool story behind it and many of the technical, minute gameplay details (though apparently 10th has made crazy simplifications compared to 9th).
Still, the cripplingly slow speed of the game, the price creep needing easily 1000+ dollars invested just to have a normal size army and inconsistency in model and rules quality across factions has motivated me to try OPR (Grimdark Future). I highly expect to prefer 40k for the core game (tho 40k really needs alternating activation) but probably OPR will be better for everything else.
OPR has given me a reason to reenter the wargaming hobby after being gone from it for over a decade. 40k has become a toxic, elitist monosphere where fun no longer exists.
OPR put the "game" back into wargaming for me when I turned my back on the GW ecosystem 2 years ago. Never had more fun, be it with GF, GFF, AoS or AoSS! By now I am printing my own armies and absolutely loving it, cause I can pump out infantery minis @ less than 50 cents each...
For the price of a decent printer, acessories and enough resin to print two 2.000 points armies, you get one combat patrol and two infantry squads from GW... Think about it.
I'm very happy I got into grimdark future 😊
I just started playing OPR with a new group of players in a new clubhouse. They did enjoy their first game.
I've been playing since 3rd edition and I dropped out at 9th edition. Switched to OPR and I've never been happier. ❤
My group in MN moved to OPR about a year ago. Never looked back.
One more thing, free paper minis
OPR FTW I wish more LGS's picked this game up cause honestly, it's pretty embarrassing to pull out $900 worth of plastic in public. It feels like I'm walking down the street dressed in Logos.
20:04 Uh, for Knight bros, they don't ignore wounds on 5+ with Aegis, it's 4+ for spells (psychic) and 6+ for anything else.
Also, no matter how high the AP of a weapon is (4 is the highest as far as I know), you can still roll to defend and save on a roll of 6, which is different to 40K.
Another nice thing about OPR is there's no bullshit re-rolling.
I likewise enjoy most editions of 40k when they are new, but it's never long before power creep and rule blote makes it utterly unplayable. OPR has never suffered from either.
The best thing avout OPR is that when me and my friends get together and play we have time for 3-4 games instead of 1 maybe 2...
OPR is my go to so is Horus Heresy. OPR is great you can make it more complex as well it extra optional rules . Can do a simple easy to do game or go all in make it as hard and complex as you wish love it.
I haven't played One Page Rules but I have only heard good things about it. And yes, they do have some lovely miniatures.
More people need to open their eyes to what the hobby really has to offer (hint: GW are not the hobby). And OPR aren't the only alternative game - other rules exist with which you could still use your 40k models but that are more detailed and crunchy
This system is amazing, playing games of tenth and most of ninth dont compare to one page rules. A friend at my local shop introduced me and its pretty much been what i play at the shop now lol
For me, it's all about time. Between family, friends who are not wargamers (heresy! I know), work, all the other things I enjoy doing (movies, RPGs, video games), and the numerous hours spent assembling and painting minis - I am simply unwilling to spend another few dozen hours learning the rules (core rules, my army's special rules, and the rules for my opponents' armies) and understanding the meta on top of that. Especially for the meta to change after every new release and for GW to needlessly rewrite a third of the rules every few years just to force me to buy a new set of books in their planned obsolescence scam.
After time comes money. Yes, I can afford to spend $100 or more for less than $10 worth of plastic - but why would I? Especially, when 3D printers are getting more affordable every year while simultaneously becoming easier to use and cheaper to operate? With OPR it is feasible for an average adult wargamer to go online, find a free STL file for a superb mini (that equals or eclipses the best of GW's stuff) for a pittance (or even free in many cases), edit said file to their specific needs and preferences, and then print only what they need to assemble the exact number of minis they want, and take the $100 they would have spent for the GW branding and buy something nice for themselves.
Or to placate their spouse after spending all weekend gluing and painting toy soldiers instead of mowing the lawn like you promised. I have a friend who regularly claims that OPR literally saved his marriage because he was able to take all the money he wasn't giving to GW over the course of a year and instead take his spouse on a cruise for their anniversary.
Love OPR, running a 20 player campaign using Grimdark Future as the base. Its been great and everyone is really enjoying it. Wont be going back to 10th anytime soon
I agree, :P I know its before premiere, yet I still agree. Alternate Activation Rules FTW......
I wish there was a middle ground product between the insane bloat of GW and blandness of OPR, something where gameplay was simple but units still had interesting abilities.
One if the thing's that immediately and quantifiably sets Grimdark Future/Firefight out from it's peer's in the various GW editions is you can play participation games with a single set of paper per player.
My son who's 9 can walk over to any of my painted miniatures cases and pick a force.
Those Reptilian Overlords Spaceman models well there meant to be Catachans in 40k but 💯 going to be Human Defence Force in this game.
My Iyanden well you know they are 40k minis but here they are High Elf Fleet's.
My very large Infinity model collection well depending on what you want them could be more Human Defence Force but also sneaky Soul-Snatchers Cults or Rebel Guerrillas.
Hell the other day he wanted to use Battletech Mini's and I'm like sure they could be Titan Lords or some sort of Assault Walker's but then I checked the completely FREE army builders Community Books and what do you know there's list's in development that kind of sit alongside that Battletech Alpha Strike level of cards.
Perfect game for you and your mates who don't want to do a GODDAMN RESEARCH ASSIGNMENT every other time you get to play in between adult responsibilities. 😅
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
My friends and I have a hybrid version of GW rules all the good ones and play it using the OPR style.
Also keep the GW lore for now 😆 having a blast weeding in an out rules
Mantics firefight is also supposed to be a really good system. havent tried it yet though but batreps look really promising.
Another great thing with opr army building is you can soup GDF and AOF if you really want to
I'm sure you know this by now, but the new 3.0 rules were just released. The new rules are even tighter and more balanced.
Love this videooooo i going to try it today
Ironically, I got destroyed by Grey Knights while playing Tau last weekend. I wasn't even using any cheese.
OPR has the best FREE army builder around.
I'm getting into OPR Age of Fantasy, and it is exciting to get back to some fantasy gaming after gw killed off whfb. And one page? I can teach my kids the rules and play a game before they reach Maximum Info Overload!
10th has pushed me to look elsewhere and my eyes are open now. Open your eyes too ;)
Games workshop specifically said they do not care about the hobby gamer, all they care about are the people that spend 200 bucks that one time and then are done, that is their perfect customer. All the hobby supplies like paint and stuff are just window dressing around the sales. They don't even try to make money on the hobby part of the game and that department is constantly underfunded.
Now tell me there's an analogue for my Salamanders and I'm ditching the codexes
I enjoy OPR. It plays well at multiple sizes.
The early 8th Ed when the indexes were around was the best time I ever had with 40k. Then inevitably the codexes came out and power creep ruined the game, so my friends and I moved over to AoS and have been there ever since.
OPR is the reason why I've not sold off all my GW minis yet.
I'm still new to the gaming side of 40k.
Where can I find good explanations on how to play One Page Rules?
I can read the rules all day, but I personally have to see it played out to really understand it.
Wyloch's armoury has some decent batreps and a good how to play