I have prayed for months for God to lead me to understanding and wisdom r e: Him and His Word...Dr.Michael Heiser...so grateful i ws sent to this man and now truly understanding His Word and context in which it was written.. Thaank u Dr.Heiser...R.I.P. God Bless ...love 2 ALL
What's perhaps odd is that the event that was going to trigger the Exodus was the iniquity of the Amorites reaching fullness (Gen 15:16). But Abraham was told that the 4th generation would come "to this place".
While those 40 yrs were passing, God was using severe weather,mudfossil type flooding to clear the world of giants and giants civilizations..He always has a reason for things..He kept them safe, the grateful go d fearing one's
I was reading about the Sea Peoples' invasion of the Eastern Mediterranean Nations. What I found interesting is this invasion occurred about the same time as Exodus and Egypt fought them for 30 years. The only Sea Peoples I have found were the Philistines. What I wonder is was the 40 years of exile was also a way to protect the tribes from the invasion. Also, pre-invasion Egypt controlled Canan but barely controlled their own borders.
5:20 The tribe that was supposed to destroyed these Giants and take the land , refuse to do it , they have 300 years to do it , if I remember well . They not only refuse , they also venerate them , the Giants and there Cult . I think it was at Gazza , Azzael . Thats why today its again war there in Gazza , because of these tribes who desobey God .
Psalm 82 Explained Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings. Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ. Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," 1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel. 2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
Heiser is Totally wrong and in error on Psalm 82, Heiser has mislead so many on his teaching as well as his book the unseen realm. 😊😃🙂 VERY CLEAR that Jesus tells us who the gods/elohim are in both Psalm 82 and John 10 are human. Jesus has OWNERSHIP to the answer. Not Heiser. Asaph the Prophet writes ESV Psalm 82: 1 "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:>>>>>>word of the Lord (God/Father) comes to prophet Asaph Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.”>>>>>>>>God (Father speaking thru prophet Asaph) WHY word of the Lord came to prophets like Asaph Psalm 82. John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),">>>>>Jesus who is God (Son) Fulfills the words that God (Father) had spoken thru Asaph to Humans. Note in Psalm 82: 1, ESV uses "divine council" other translations use "congregation of the mighty" or "great assembly". Check out the order Jesus uses “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," Law "gods" and Prophets (word of the Lord came to Prophets of God) What this is saying at who is in the Middle of the Law and the Prophets, that would be the "gods". The "gods" that Jesus is referencing are from Psalm 82. The "gods" are human and would be the Jews, becasue the Jews were given the Law and had the true Prophets of God. With that said the "gods" are human Jesus has Ownership to the answer of the "gods" of Psalm 82 found in John 10. Heiser is CHEATING Jesus out of the answer and throwing Jesus under the bus. Heiser has lead so many astray with his explanation of Psalm 82. Scripture clearly tells us that the Jews were given the Law and had the Prophets, NOT a bunch of super angels that Heiser promotes. Super angels were NEVER given the Law or had the Prophets of God. Key points (7) 1.What Heiser NEVER explains the "Job Description" of prophets in the Old Testament. Most people are even unaware of who wrote Psalm 82. Asaph the prophet wrote Psalm 82 as well as other Psalms 50, 73-81 and 83. Prophets were the "VOICE" of God that is why it is IMPORTANT that Jesus Repeats and Fulfills these words...... Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.” ........John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," Prophets would handle and carry the word of the Lord in the Old Testament, they were the representative of the words God whated to say>>>> the "Voice" of God. Jesus (Son) is fulfill in the New Testament what God (Father) had spoken thru the prophet. Even Moses is in the likeness of God to Pharoh, Exodus 7:1 "And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet." 2. Since Jesus is repeating what the Father had spoken and said thru the prophtet like Asaph. Since Jesus (Son) is addressing "HUMANS" in John 10, the same is that the God (Father) speaking thru the prophet Asaph in Psalm 82 (Asaph the "Voice" of God) would be addressing HUMANS in Psalm 82. Heiser likes to leave out the "I said" declaration of Jesus (Son) in John 10 and the the "I said" by God (Father) speaking thru the Prophet Asaph of Psalm 82. Jesus is God, God is ONE God made up of 3 persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The "I said" delararation is no different than an "I am" declaration. 3. The Godhead/Trinity This is how the 3 persons within the Godhead opearate and function. Only the Holy Spirit (God) can convince a person to understand why the Son (God) has to fulfill the words that the Father (God) that were spoken by the prophet like Asaph and other prophets as well in the Old Testament. It is Said that Jesus has fulfilled over 350 prophecies of in the New Testament from the prophets from the Old Testament. Even Isaiah the prophet who wrote Isaiah 53 was the "Voice" of God in the Old Testament, so Jesus can Fulfill what was said in Isaiah 53.....Isaiah 53 is about the Crucifixion of Christ. Jesus has Ownership to both prophets Isaiah and Asaph of what they wrote and how God (Father) spoke thru them. Prophets were given the word of the Lord 4. Jesus is the word/Word become flesh John 1: 14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." Jesus fulfills the Law and the Prophets, Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." No super angels of a divine council were ever given the Law and the Prophets, it would be the Nation of Israel 5. To address to "die like men" In Psalm 82: 7 is Referring to those bad elders, rulers, leaders or judges within the nation of Israel that have High Authority, they favor the wicked and judge unjustly, they do not follow through with their responsibilities, duties, and do not represent God or the law, these High Officials are just men, they have High Rank so they will die like men. They are human not divine beings. God has always set up rulers within the nation of Israel and even throughout the world. In Numbers 11: 16 “So the LORD said to Moses: “Gather to Me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; bring them to the tabernacle of meeting, that they may stand there with you.” 1 Samuel 8 : 1-4 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice. 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. God has ALWAYS set up Governements in the world not just with in the Nation of Israel, Romans 13: 1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." 6. Clearly the "gods/elohim" of Psalm 82 are human judges, some even apply kings. The Old Testament has a book called Judges as well as two other books 1 Kings & 2 Kings. No book in scripture is applied to something nonhuman or angelic. Psalm 82:6 "“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’.... The word "sons" used in this passage is an "Adoptive" Term for Israel, Israel was the chosen people of God. 7. Psalm 89 has NOTHING to do with Psalm 82. Hieser likes to mix those chapters together. Psalm 89 is in the heavenly and spirtual realm when Psalm 82 is on the earth and the physical world. The same logic heavenly and spiriitual would apply to 2 Chronicles 18:21 and 1 Kings 22:19-23 where it mentions a scene in heaven and the lying spirit. The heavenly hosts in scripture refers to the sun, moon and stars. In Summary The Humans are Jewish rulers in both Psalm 82 and John 10. Psalm 82 Jewish rulers like judges or even kings. John 10 Jewish rulers like pharissees. Psalm 82 would be human, NOT a bunch of super angels, like Heiser promotes. Heiser throws Jesus under the bus. Heiser CANNOT answer the question of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 becasue Jesus has already answered the question of the gods/elohim in John 10. Jesus has Ownership to the answer, since Jesus is addressing humans in John 10 the same would be humans are being addressed in Psalm 82, not a bunch of super angels of a divine council. Heiser has manipulated so many minds and has triggered the mind to think this "divine council" is non human. Jesus clearly gives us the answer the divine council is human. The phrase and title given "you are gods" is a legalistic title of Authority because the Jews were given the Law and as well as judge with the law. The Jews were given the Law and 10 commandments to govern them and council them, so it is imposible for this to be nonhuman spirit beings or angels. The Jews also had the True Prophets of God. God also established covenants with Humans, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels.
Ok. But if that interpretation is true (your interpretation) then why did the Pharisees become so angry with Jesus for saying it? Speaking the truth does not sound like a reason to stone him. Rather if Heiser is right, then certainly they would be furious. Because Jesus is suggesting that he is Elohim. I truly do want to understand your point of view because it would certainly simplify things. However I am not convinced. Please help me to understand. Thank you. 🙏💖
@@duketta Your question is answered in number 3. OR just reread the comment. Depends who is your object of your Faith, is it Heiser or Jesus (Son of God) 3. The Godhead/Trinity This is how the 3 persons within the Godhead opearate and function. Only the Holy Spirit (God) can convince a person to understand why the Son (God) has to fulfill the words that the Father (God) that were spoken by the prophet like Asaph and other prophets as well in the Old Testament. It is Said that Jesus has fulfilled over 350 prophecies of in the New Testament from the prophets from the Old Testament. Even Isaiah the prophet who wrote Isaiah 53 was the "Voice" of God in the Old Testament, so Jesus can Fulfill what was said in Isaiah 53.....Isaiah 53 is about the Crucifixion of Christ. Jesus has Ownership to both prophets Isaiah and Asaph of what they wrote and how God (Father) spoke thru them. Prophets were given the word of the Lord. You say in your response>>>>>>>"Jesus is suggesting that he is Elohim." Yes that is 100% Correct. But what Heiser FAILED is explaining the Trinity/Godhead. All three persons of the Trinity who are THREE seperate persons function and operate as the same God (Elohim Hebrew in OT or Theos Greek in NT). Also Heiser also Failed in explaining the "job description of the Prophet (voice of God) who in this text is Asaph who wrote Psalm 82. Heiser aslo failed at explaining the "I am" declarations and the" I said" declaration of Jesus who is the Son of God Even reading John 10: 14-16 " I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. Here Jesus uses an "I am" declaraion, the "good shepherd", Jesus uses figurative language, He also says His sheep hear His "Voice". The way this works is becasue of God (Father) in Psalm 82 would put His words in the mouth of the Prophets like Asaph and God would speak through them. Further down in John 10 and Psalm 82 John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," Psalm 82: 1 "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; Notice the TWO "I said, you are gods" declaraions in John 10 and in Psalm 82:6. Jesus is REPEATING what the Father said in Pslam 82 and Jesus Repeats the very same "I said you are gods"" in John 10. Since Jesus is addressing HUMANS (gods) in John 10, that would mean HUMANS (gods) are being addressed in Psalm 82, Remember Jesus fulfills the words of the Prophets, because God (Father) put those words in the Prophets mouths to speak and to write in the scripture. The "gods" are the chosen people that would be Israel. Israel had judges, rulers, officials and Pharisees. The '"gods" are human NOT nonhuman super angels like Heiser promoted. Where Heiser was wrong is Application, Correcrt on Translation, Not arguing against the Hebrew Language and Heiser's translation, it is with who Heiser applied the "gods" to. Context is king and when a person brings Jesus into Psalm 82 with the "I said, you are gods" makes more sense. Heiser applied the "gods" of Psalm 82 to non human super angels. Whether you believe the Application of the "gods" should be what Heiser's goofy theory are non human spirit being/ super angels or Human, Chosen people of God with the Law and Prophets, and the "I said" declaration of Jesus in John 10. If the "gods" of Psalm 82 is God scolding a bunch of super angels in the heavens, that would mean that Jesus in John 10 would be comunicating with the people of John 10 in the heavens as well, that would make NO sense. Even looking at the context of Psalm 82: 2-5 2 “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah 3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” 5 They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. What is going on in the passage is that the nation of Israel (Jews) would have foreigners (people from non Jewish nation) or to call them Gentiles coming into the nation of Israel. The Jewish people and even Jewish Elders were not living up to taking care of these foreigners. The foreigners probably were in poverty, were poor and needed to be delivered from pagan gods and Idolatry, the nation of Israel was NOT representing the True God. When a person reads Psalm 82: 2 - 5, that makes more sense that HUMANS (Jews) are being scolded rather than super angels/non human beings. God is on the side of Justice in defending the weak and fatherless as well as rescueing the weak and needy. God has ALWAYS set up Governements in the world not just with in the Nation of Israel, Romans 13: 1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." This is 100% human, no such thing as the "gods" of super angels of a divine council. Heiser NEVER even went to seminary school, his education is from the U of Wisconsin a secular college. Heiser WAS a Blind false Teacher and has mislead many on this.
I believe Dr Heiser especially if you read th Book of Jubilee or the book of Enoch. Thank you Dr Heiser but the greatest thank be to God in the name of Jesus 🙏🏽
@@nanazenani6523The Book of Jubilee and the book of Enoch are NOT Inspired text, they are Fools Gold. If you read the comment Jesus answers the question of the "gods". Jesus is the "I said" and the "I am", Heiser is Not. Heiser was a False Teacher an apostate.
Dr. Heiser is correct. You are too beholden to your theory which is ridiculous. Since you don't have the education to make these statements, you should reconsider. By the way,he is not the only scholar who has that opinion. He is the only one that brought the truth to those without Doctorates in these subjects.
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I have prayed for months for God to lead me to understanding and wisdom r e: Him and His Word...Dr.Michael Heiser...so grateful i ws sent to this man and now truly understanding His Word and context in which it was written.. Thaank u Dr.Heiser...R.I.P. God Bless ...love 2 ALL
I really miss being in these classes! Thank you so much for sharing these teachings!
You are so welcome, Rachel. Hope you'll check out some of our new courses!
What's perhaps odd is that the event that was going to trigger the Exodus was the iniquity of the Amorites reaching fullness (Gen 15:16). But Abraham was told that the 4th generation would come "to this place".
While those 40 yrs were passing, God was using severe weather,mudfossil type flooding to clear the world of giants and giants civilizations..He always has a reason for things..He kept them safe, the grateful go d fearing one's
I was reading about the Sea Peoples' invasion of the Eastern Mediterranean Nations. What I found interesting is this invasion occurred about the same time as Exodus and Egypt fought them for 30 years. The only Sea Peoples I have found were the Philistines. What I wonder is was the 40 years of exile was also a way to protect the tribes from the invasion. Also, pre-invasion Egypt controlled Canan but barely controlled their own borders.
5:20 The tribe that was supposed to destroyed these Giants and take the land , refuse to do it , they have 300 years to do it , if I remember well . They not only refuse , they also venerate them , the Giants and there Cult . I think it was at Gazza , Azzael . Thats why today its again war there in Gazza , because of these tribes who desobey God .
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Didn’t they live there before they moved to Egypt ?
Abraham settled there after being called out of Ur.
Psalm 82 Explained
Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings.
Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel.
2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
Heiser is Totally wrong and in error on Psalm 82, Heiser has mislead so many on his teaching as well as his book the unseen realm.
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VERY CLEAR that Jesus tells us who the gods/elohim are in both Psalm 82 and John 10 are human. Jesus has OWNERSHIP to the answer. Not Heiser.
Asaph the Prophet writes ESV Psalm 82: 1 "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:>>>>>>word of the Lord (God/Father) comes to prophet Asaph
Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.”>>>>>>>>God (Father speaking thru prophet Asaph) WHY word of the Lord came to prophets like Asaph Psalm 82.
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),">>>>>Jesus who is God (Son) Fulfills the words that God (Father) had spoken thru Asaph to Humans.
Note in Psalm 82: 1, ESV uses "divine council" other translations use "congregation of the mighty" or "great assembly".
Check out the order Jesus uses “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
Law "gods" and Prophets (word of the Lord came to Prophets of God)
What this is saying at who is in the Middle of the Law and the Prophets, that would be the "gods". The "gods" that Jesus is referencing are from Psalm 82.
The "gods" are human and would be the Jews, becasue the Jews were given the Law and had the true Prophets of God. With that said the "gods" are human Jesus has Ownership to the answer of the "gods" of Psalm 82 found in John 10. Heiser is CHEATING Jesus out of the answer and throwing Jesus under the bus. Heiser has lead so many astray with his explanation of Psalm 82. Scripture clearly tells us that the Jews were given the Law and had the Prophets, NOT a bunch of super angels that Heiser promotes. Super angels were NEVER given the Law or had the Prophets of God.
Key points (7)
1.What Heiser NEVER explains the "Job Description" of prophets in the Old Testament. Most people are even unaware of who wrote Psalm 82. Asaph the prophet wrote Psalm 82 as well as other Psalms 50, 73-81 and 83. Prophets were the "VOICE" of God that is why it is IMPORTANT that Jesus Repeats and Fulfills these words...... Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.” ........John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
Prophets would handle and carry the word of the Lord in the Old Testament, they were the representative of the words God whated to say>>>> the "Voice" of God. Jesus (Son) is fulfill in the New Testament what God (Father) had spoken thru the prophet. Even Moses is in the likeness of God to Pharoh, Exodus 7:1 "And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet."
2. Since Jesus is repeating what the Father had spoken and said thru the prophtet like Asaph. Since Jesus (Son) is addressing "HUMANS" in John 10, the same is that the God (Father) speaking thru the prophet Asaph in Psalm 82 (Asaph the "Voice" of God) would be addressing HUMANS in Psalm 82. Heiser likes to leave out the "I said" declaration of Jesus (Son) in John 10 and the the "I said" by God (Father) speaking thru the Prophet Asaph of Psalm 82. Jesus is God, God is ONE God made up of 3 persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The "I said" delararation is no different than an "I am" declaration.
3. The Godhead/Trinity This is how the 3 persons within the Godhead opearate and function. Only the Holy Spirit (God) can convince a person to understand why the Son (God) has to fulfill the words that the Father (God) that were spoken by the prophet like Asaph and other prophets as well in the Old Testament. It is Said that Jesus has fulfilled over 350 prophecies of in the New Testament from the prophets from the Old Testament. Even Isaiah the prophet who wrote Isaiah 53 was the "Voice" of God in the Old Testament, so Jesus can Fulfill what was said in Isaiah 53.....Isaiah 53 is about the Crucifixion of Christ. Jesus has Ownership to both prophets Isaiah and Asaph of what they wrote and how God (Father) spoke thru them. Prophets were given the word of the Lord
4. Jesus is the word/Word become flesh John 1: 14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." Jesus fulfills the Law and the Prophets, Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." No super angels of a divine council were ever given the Law and the Prophets, it would be the Nation of Israel
5. To address to "die like men" In Psalm 82: 7 is Referring to those bad elders, rulers, leaders or judges within the nation of Israel that have High Authority, they favor the wicked and judge unjustly, they do not follow through with their responsibilities, duties, and do not represent God or the law, these High Officials are just men, they have High Rank so they will die like men. They are human not divine beings. God has always set up rulers within the nation of Israel and even throughout the world.
In Numbers 11: 16 “So the LORD said to Moses: “Gather to Me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; bring them to the tabernacle of meeting, that they may stand there with you.”
1 Samuel 8 : 1-4 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice. 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah.
God has ALWAYS set up Governements in the world not just with in the Nation of Israel, Romans 13: 1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."
6. Clearly the "gods/elohim" of Psalm 82 are human judges, some even apply kings. The Old Testament has a book called Judges as well as two other books 1 Kings & 2 Kings. No book in scripture is applied to something nonhuman or angelic. Psalm 82:6 "“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’.... The word "sons" used in this passage is an "Adoptive" Term for Israel, Israel was the chosen people of God.
7. Psalm 89 has NOTHING to do with Psalm 82. Hieser likes to mix those chapters together. Psalm 89 is in the heavenly and spirtual realm when Psalm 82 is on the earth and the physical world. The same logic heavenly and spiriitual would apply to 2 Chronicles 18:21 and 1 Kings 22:19-23 where it mentions a scene in heaven and the lying spirit. The heavenly hosts in scripture refers to the sun, moon and stars.
In Summary
The Humans are Jewish rulers in both Psalm 82 and John 10. Psalm 82 Jewish rulers like judges or even kings. John 10 Jewish rulers like pharissees. Psalm 82 would be human, NOT a bunch of super angels, like Heiser promotes. Heiser throws Jesus under the bus. Heiser CANNOT answer the question of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 becasue Jesus has already answered the question of the gods/elohim in John 10. Jesus has Ownership to the answer, since Jesus is addressing humans in John 10 the same would be humans are being addressed in Psalm 82, not a bunch of super angels of a divine council. Heiser has manipulated so many minds and has triggered the mind to think this "divine council" is non human. Jesus clearly gives us the answer the divine council is human.
The phrase and title given "you are gods" is a legalistic title of Authority because the Jews were given the Law and as well as judge with the law. The Jews were given the Law and 10 commandments to govern them and council them, so it is imposible for this to be nonhuman spirit beings or angels. The Jews also had the True Prophets of God. God also established covenants with Humans, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels.
Ok. But if that interpretation is true (your interpretation) then why did the Pharisees become so angry with Jesus for saying it? Speaking the truth does not sound like a reason to stone him. Rather if Heiser is right, then certainly they would be furious. Because Jesus is suggesting that he is Elohim.
I truly do want to understand your point of view because it would certainly simplify things. However I am not convinced. Please help me to understand. Thank you. 🙏💖
@@duketta Your question is answered in number 3. OR just reread the comment. Depends who is your object of your Faith, is it Heiser or Jesus (Son of God)
3. The Godhead/Trinity This is how the 3 persons within the Godhead opearate and function. Only the Holy Spirit (God) can convince a person to understand why the Son (God) has to fulfill the words that the Father (God) that were spoken by the prophet like Asaph and other prophets as well in the Old Testament. It is Said that Jesus has fulfilled over 350 prophecies of in the New Testament from the prophets from the Old Testament. Even Isaiah the prophet who wrote Isaiah 53 was the "Voice" of God in the Old Testament, so Jesus can Fulfill what was said in Isaiah 53.....Isaiah 53 is about the Crucifixion of Christ. Jesus has Ownership to both prophets Isaiah and Asaph of what they wrote and how God (Father) spoke thru them. Prophets were given the word of the Lord.
You say in your response>>>>>>>"Jesus is suggesting that he is Elohim." Yes that is 100% Correct. But what Heiser FAILED is explaining the Trinity/Godhead. All three persons of the Trinity who are THREE seperate persons function and operate as the same God (Elohim Hebrew in OT or Theos Greek in NT). Also Heiser also Failed in explaining the "job description of the Prophet (voice of God) who in this text is Asaph who wrote Psalm 82. Heiser aslo failed at explaining the "I am" declarations and the" I said" declaration of Jesus who is the Son of God
Even reading John 10: 14-16 " I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Here Jesus uses an "I am" declaraion, the "good shepherd", Jesus uses figurative language, He also says His sheep hear His "Voice". The way this works is becasue of God (Father) in Psalm 82 would put His words in the mouth of the Prophets like Asaph and God would speak through them.
Further down in John 10 and Psalm 82
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
Psalm 82: 1 "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
Notice the TWO "I said, you are gods" declaraions in John 10 and in Psalm 82:6. Jesus is REPEATING what the Father said in Pslam 82 and Jesus Repeats the very same "I said you are gods"" in John 10. Since Jesus is addressing HUMANS (gods) in John 10, that would mean HUMANS (gods) are being addressed in Psalm 82, Remember Jesus fulfills the words of the Prophets, because God (Father) put those words in the Prophets mouths to speak and to write in the scripture.
The "gods" are the chosen people that would be Israel. Israel had judges, rulers, officials and Pharisees. The '"gods" are human NOT nonhuman super angels like Heiser promoted.
Where Heiser was wrong is Application, Correcrt on Translation, Not arguing against the Hebrew Language and Heiser's translation, it is with who Heiser applied the "gods" to.
Context is king and when a person brings Jesus into Psalm 82 with the "I said, you are gods" makes more sense. Heiser applied the "gods" of Psalm 82 to non human super angels.
Whether you believe the Application of the "gods" should be what Heiser's goofy theory are non human spirit being/ super angels or Human, Chosen people of God with the Law and Prophets, and the "I said" declaration of Jesus in John 10.
If the "gods" of Psalm 82 is God scolding a bunch of super angels in the heavens, that would mean that Jesus in John 10 would be comunicating with the people of John 10 in the heavens as well, that would make NO sense.
Even looking at the context of Psalm 82: 2-5
2 “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah 3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” 5 They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
What is going on in the passage is that the nation of Israel (Jews) would have foreigners (people from non Jewish nation) or to call them Gentiles coming into the nation of Israel.
The Jewish people and even Jewish Elders were not living up to taking care of these foreigners. The foreigners probably were in poverty, were poor and needed to be delivered from pagan gods and Idolatry, the nation of Israel was NOT representing the True God. When a person reads Psalm 82: 2 - 5, that makes more sense that HUMANS (Jews) are being scolded rather than super angels/non human beings.
God is on the side of Justice in defending the weak and fatherless as well as rescueing the weak and needy.
God has ALWAYS set up Governements in the world not just with in the Nation of Israel, Romans 13: 1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."
This is 100% human, no such thing as the "gods" of super angels of a divine council.
Heiser NEVER even went to seminary school, his education is from the U of Wisconsin a secular college. Heiser WAS a Blind false Teacher and has mislead many on this.
I believe Dr Heiser especially if you read th Book of Jubilee or the book of Enoch. Thank you Dr Heiser but the greatest thank be to God in the name of Jesus 🙏🏽
@@nanazenani6523The Book of Jubilee and the book of Enoch are NOT Inspired text, they are Fools Gold. If you read the comment Jesus answers the question of the "gods". Jesus is the "I said" and the "I am", Heiser is Not. Heiser was a False Teacher an apostate.
Dr. Heiser is correct. You are too beholden to your theory which is ridiculous. Since you don't have the education to make these statements, you should reconsider. By the way,he is not the only scholar who has that opinion. He is the only one that brought the truth to those without Doctorates in these subjects.