Upon observing your videos of you shooting a recurve bow I instantly scored your evaluations and recommendations at a 1 out of a possible score of 10. You released the arrows without a fixed and stable anchor point. draw hand away from face. Additionally, in one video you actually released the shaft while your draw hand was in front of your face. As for the stacking of the Samick, reduce the brace height to lowest factory recommendation. I have set up two Samick Sages recurves for 2 nephews with no stack problem and I have a 30.25" draw. As for the difference in the limb bolts, those have nothing to do with the performance of either bow. I do have to say that my experience setting up the Samick Sage was positive for an inexpensive bow. BTW: Been setting up and shooting recurves of many brands and draw-weights for 56 years.
Archery is FULL of social poses and gossip. There's something very wrong with people cause they keep saying luxury items are NOT luxury. These bows are luxury bows.
Jon do you want one piece or takedown and I guess your talking about recurves. U want to consider your budget (if you can afford it I would get a bear takedown) and the material
@@nenolaura2199 Price is almost equal but Black hunter is much better in quality. Samick sage stacks at longer draw length. Black hunter is smooth even upto 30" + draw length. That’s because Black hunter has dual lamination bamboo core limbs which is much smoother and shoots much faster than normal maple wood core limbs. Also, Samick sage 62" bow with 19" riser and medium size limbs. Black hunter is 60" with 15" riser and long limbs. Although Black hunter is 2 inch shorter in overall size, it has longer limbs than samick sage. Only reasons you may choose sage over black hunter if you want to use sight, plunger button and elevated rest, you can use those in Black hunter because of lack of attachment points. But you are not gonna use those in trad bow, are you. I don't have both bows, but I shot both.
Look, this bow offers additional limbs for only $69.95 each set. You can buy limbs from #25 to #60 in 5# increments. So buy yourself a #25lb Sage, and learn anchor points and get your muscle memory, and also train you back muscles by getting them engaged at lower weights. The average man doesn't have enough back strength to perform #40lb dumbell fly's properly. And probably won't be able to draw the bow fully, with a pinched shoulder blade, and hold it longer than a split second or two. Everyone should get the #25 bow and a half dozen light spined arrows and shoot them till they ware the arrows out or lose them all. Then buy a new set of limbs for $70 of the draw weight you desire and pick arrows appropriate to that. Maybe use #25, then #35, then upgrade again to #45 for hunting. Or stay at #35 for easy target shooting that doesn't tire you out after a few shots.
I like the fact that you don’t have music blaring as loud as your voice like some idiots feel the need to do. Also, you get right to the point and don’t ramble on, and on, like many others. Nicely done review!
That Spyder XL is absolutely identical to mine Black Sheep Nova and I have compared it to Samick Sage when I was buying it. Originally went for Sage at the shop. That Spyder/Nova bow has smaller handle that sits in my hand better as I have small to medium size hands but a long arms so smaller handle and longer limbs suits me better.
Just a small note, you can replace the hex head limb bolts on the Spyder with the hand tightening version, they are sold on the site, I believe the cost is about $3.00 USD each.
Sage's are famous for green objects. Always experiencing a spider attack gets a bit too much for humans. You Can't get around names. They perfectly describe what you'll experience from the product.
I bet its given you something from the sage lifestyle. You're now wiser than before. You're not in a rush to take down bears or stuff. Your archery experience was sage like.
I draw 27.5 inches. Don’t have any problem with stacking of my Samick sage. It’s been a good hunter at 55 lbs for many years now. There are better bow out there, but they cost more. Just my thought for what it worth.
This was a very well thought out Video with a single focus. The Sage does stack. I draw 30 inches And it really stopped being a bow I enjoyed shooting. All stick bows Will stack eventually. If you have A long draw look for a bow that Is designed for your draw length. Probably looking at a custom bow But for the joy of shooting a bow That pulls smooth out to your Draw length it will be worth it.
Excellent vid. I know I’m late to the party. Just started getting into archery and I recently ordered a SWA Spyder. It should arrive this week. This vid was integral in my decision. Good stuff 👍
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. Looking to get into archery and was comparing just those two bows! Upvote for presenting your opinion clearly and concisely!
It's all very low class and full of oneself. The bow designer talks to you by choosing a name for the product. A sage lifestyle and a spider attack are completely different experiences. If names mean nothing to you then you're lost.
Awesome video mate. I got ptsd and anxiety so for me archery is meditation and relaxation. Ive in a bow club and loaning gear now. But am out of work so cant afford my own gear i dream of having a good recurve bow and target so i can shoot everyday would help me a lot both with the ptsd/anxiety and getting in better shape.
Names are not interchangeable. The sage lifestyle IS different to spider attack technique. You people don't understand names. The spyder gives you the impression of hitting the target like a spider attack. The sage gives you a completely different impression.
Thanks, Both bows look great. You did a good job explaining. I would have liked to see a poundage scale showing the stacking, but I have done it with a scale and seen the difference in my bows. ... I had a Bear bow that crashed a limb after just 48 days of shooting. Thats when I found out that the bows were made by another company in Florida. Warranty replacement came from there and I ship my damaged bow there. First replacement was absolutely unfit for shooting and 5 pounds less than the one that failed. Bear was terrible at the emails back and forth. It took over three months to get a satisfactory replacement on a $500 bow. I would never buy another Bear bow. The fiberglass tips inside the recurve had been ground so thin, I could see the color of the wood underneath. I refused to even string up. However, I do like the final replacement. It is the 48 inch model recurve. My draw length is 25.5 . It does start stacking heavily at about 26 inches. I do use that though to identify full draw along with anchor point.
Draw length is measured 1.75 inches in front of the throat of the grip not from the back of the riser. Based on this you are past 28” draw when it begins to stack.
And you get to experience the bow of sages. That's worth something. A sage lives a quiet gentle life. And that's your archery experience that you can only get from this sage style bow. Green is associated with sages. Names have meaning. The maker is telling you something.
Thank you, I was really up in the air about these two bows. I’m 6’ 3” and the bow I’m learning on is a 62” but when I pull all the way to the corner of my mouth it gets much harder and when I release the arrow tends to go crazy. Probably just my novice release but when I don’t pull all the way back and release the arrow fly’s straight. After this video I would think it is stacking that I don’t like about that PSE Razor back.
I am keeping my sage because it has the features I need, but I have learnt many valid points that you have raised, especially with the stacking. I really liked how you measured out the 24", 26" and 28" increments on the arrow. I draw at 27.5" max, which lowers my 45# bow only slightly. My guess would be that it lowers to about 42.5# maybe? I wonder if you could do a video demonstrating how much poundage (#) a bow will lose if you are not drawing it to its full length. The reason why I ask this is because my thoughts are, if I was to drop my draw down to maybe 26" I could prevent stacking and maybe still be getting the power of 40#. In my country (New Zealand) the minimum bow hunting draw weight factor is 15 kg (35 lb). So that would still be ample to take down anything in my country. Also, I know this option may not be recommended because I probably wouldn't be properly anchoring? But then this begs the question? When reaction shooting, do we really need to get a full draw and anchor prior to releasing the shot. Or can accurracy still be maintained or by releasing earlier. Considering that by releasing earlier at say 26" and not having any stacking, might would mean less shacking, and of course a make a more accurate shot? A video on your opinion would be much appreciated, or at the very minimum your comment would be much appreciated.
Maybe you're easily led by fools. Maybe you don't know what a sage is and don't want to experience a part of their archery lifestyle. What do names mean to you?
I have a bear 50th anniversary takedown and multiple Samick sages and SAS bows, they are all equally awesome, I’m partial to the bear strictly bc I love bear brand and the history. But my sammick is just as good and I can get 7-8 sammicks for the price of my bear. And my draw is 29.5” and the sammick handles 70# limbs beautifully.
I really appreciate this review. At 6'3", my draw length is over 28 inches (If I measured correctly). So the Sage would definitely present stacking issues for me.
Sage's live quiet gentle lives. They have nice things to say. People who take down bears live busy lives. Names tell you something about the lifestyle the bow offers you.
You can draw a fiberglass laminated, traditional recurve bow back, until the tips nearly touch each other. "Stacking" is simply where the draw weight diverges exponentially. They say plan on 2-1/2lb additional draw weight per inch beyond 28" or wherever the bow is rated #@draw length. But some bows "stack" quicker, where the first inch past it's rated 28" draw length may be +2lb, the second inch will add +3lb, and another inch might add +5lb. So a #40 bow rated at 28" might actually draw nearly #50 at 31" draw length. Simply buy a lighter draw weight bow.
@@TheJustinJ this is exactly how it went when i first got a sage. I have a 31 inch draw and i could feel it stack at full draw. Felt like it was closer to 50#
Well his reasons for the change is his preference but welcome to recurve bows it's what they do that was the whole idea behind the design of the recurve bow do the homework it builds energy when a bow starts reaching its full potential your building poundage simple math right well I would say drop the poundage a little and make it up on the back wall as well as in your arrow builds that's what we do ? Humm I have two samick sage recurve bows one stays at 60 lb. The other one I have multiple limbs for at 40 lb. I shoot a 30 in. 500 spinne 460 grn. Arrow and group under 4 in. That's shooting 100% trad. Love my bows, oh at 15 yards shooting this guy's expressing his choice and why. I recommend go and shoot a couple bow to find your weight tolerance and feel then create the arrow that bow likes then stacking problem gone.
You don't want to be messing with an Allen key in a bug out surviv all situation me I stick with choosing samick sage take down recurve bow and samick pricing point is fair and awesome peace from the UK....
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But here's the thing, Samick Sage has the track record.
Good video. It seems to me neither bow would stack as long as they are. I'm a fan of short bows. My Longbow is 54" and 62lbs at 26" draw. Now it is not the smoothest thing to draw but it's blistering fast.
Thanks for the comment Dan! Honestly, I was a little surprised at the stacking on the 62." But even the 40lb bow was really uncomfortable to draw at 28 inch draw length. It drew well up to about 26 inches. Given that your longbow is only 54" i'm guessing material is the biggest factor in stacking. Just curious, what is your longbow made of?
I bought my samick Sage in April used it 2 to 3 times a week and the riser cracked at the handle last week. It's a hairline fracture but...( I now the Samick Sage is a great bow, that's why I bought it. But this situation doesn't inspire confidence). Any ideas on new bows or whether or not I'll be able to get a new riser? I treated it with the utmost care. I didn't fill out the warranty so I'm fairly certain I'm screwed on the warrantied riser.
Wrong clint. Not once does he mention naming rights. A sage lives a very different lifestyle to someone with a spider attack style bow. Names have meaning. You're not going to swipe away naming rights.
I have three. No problem except I Robinhood at the range. Arrows aren't cheap, need pins. Have a older bear super Kodiak. Yes it's smother and faster but not 400 dollars worth.
for the price and if you really did your research sage is a really really good bow. Just need to tune your arrows and get a sight/stabilizers/arrow rest/plunger and clicker.
Thinking about trimming my sammick limb trays down. The other bow isnt just contoured but also shorter. Takes a gram or two off no doubt. Just wonder if twisting could become an issue.
Last one I bought…. Drew it back and the top limb bolt ripped out of the riser, limb hit me between the eyes. Directly deposited into the trash can, I think Chinese bows are getting better but buyer beware.
I have a sage and a journy and love both. Hunt with both. I have 4 bears a damon howatt an indian. And a ben pearson as well. I draw right at 29 inchesand stacking is no issue. Draw is very smooth. Glad i dont have any issues with mine
At what length does the Western Archery bow start to stack? I understand that if the Sage stacks at 26” and your draw is near 28” it can be tougher to draw but what about the Western Archery stacking length? Can anyone elaborate?
What you have missed on both of your bows is that, none of them can launch the arrow straight. Both bows, angle the arrow to the left. Looking at both of the risers, none of them have any kind of decent decent alignment. The string is alligned with the limbs, yes good however , the design and thickness of the riser is all wrong. The arrow should leave the bow as straight as possible however, the way these limbs are designed, this is never possible. Even if you shoot off the shelf, the arrow alignment is off and to the left. If you screw in a arrow rest with plunger button, the bad arrow alignment will become even more pronounced. If you shoot off the shelf, you have the flight fletchers coming into contact with the riser sending the arrow sideways to some degree. With the arrow rest and plunger button, your flectchers will hopefully clear and contact with the riser however, the string allignment with respect to the arrow, will be badly out of allignment. Out of the two bows, which should you choose? None of them. They are both inferior, irrespective of limb stacking.
@@IKvASS I am new to archery as well, and I am in the same predicament as you. This bow is governed by a thing called "dynamic spine" and I don't like it. I will speak to a lot of people and see what they say. I may get out my wood router and trim the riser, so this thing shoots straight. Im not sure if that will weaken it too much? May need to strengthen it on the other side. Now im carving into a brand new bow and that cannot be good. I am very disappointed with this now, and my archery shop is not giving me much information. I was told that if I do "correct" this bow, I will need to change my arrows. They will need to be a stiffer spine. I am not enjoying my archery beacause of this redicules bow design nonsence.
@@nenadstanojevic1427 cool, let me know what you find. That is a bit disturbing as many other people recommended this bow. I guess you could try returning the bow if you are not happy with it instead of hacking it.
@@IKvASS Another archery shop suggested a bow callef Martin Panther. Im looking into it. As far as my Samic Sage is concerned, I really dont like it much at all. From what I can see, many wooden bows are made this way. They call it "traditional archery", I call it a mistake in engineering.
@@IKvASS i will Try and work with the bow as best as I can to train my self in executing the perfect shot, in the mean time, im no longer expecting good results from it. This bow can be likened to a gun with a bent barrel, or a car which always steers to the left. Yes you can drive it, but you will be constantly compensating for it. Yes. A good archer can shoot that bow and get good results, but they probably would not want to use it.
Hello! Please tell, how many wood layers between fiberglass layers in your limbs of Samick Sage? I bought my sage (45#) in 2018, maybe it is new revision, but in my limbs there is only one basic wooden layer, but my samick polaris limb is consist of two basic layers of wood between fiberglass layers. Also a read on www.lancasterarchery.com - "The ORIGINAL Sage takedown recurve riser is becoming the Galaxy Sage! The Galaxy Archery team includes designers and archers who developed the original Sage design nearly a decade ago using Samick as the manufacturer and brand. During 2018, Sage bows purchased from Lancaster Archery Supply may bear Samick or Galaxy branding. Galaxy Archery principals own the trademark rights on the Sage name and will continue to support both Samick Sage and Galaxy Sage models." - but my sage has label-medal with "Samick Sage" not "Galaxy Sage"
@@ttribetribe6807 you made a statement and so I made a statement too and a joke. If you ask a question, you must first introduce yourself to the people.
Hi Boemtie, Thanks for the comment! No, I wasn't able to officially measure speed with these two bows. Just from my judgement, I think with lighter arrows the two bows are comparable, with heavy arrows the Spyder XL wins.
It wasn't at all. Not one mention of a sages lifestyle. Not one mention of the other bow launches like a spider attack. Sages would put a tinge of green on their bow. Green is associated with sages. You're blind as a bat. You have such horrible things to say.
Hi Emanuel, I actually got them from Amazon. Normally it doesn't seem like they carry a lot of good feather arrows but these have been great. They are TTAD turkey feather carbon arrows. They are on the heavy side so I would only recommend them if you are shooting at least a 40 pound bow. They are good for hunting too. I don't know if I can post links in comments but I'll give it a shot. www.amazon.com/TTAD-Feather-Hunting-Archery-Compound/dp/B07842SZ1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1539653118&sr=8-1&keywords=TTAD
Samick sage is overrated. It stacks quite a lot after 28" draw length. Black hunter from mandarin duck is much better in quality with same price. 60" bow ( 15" riser with long limb), dual laminated bamboo core limb, no sign of stacking even in 30" draw length. Only reason of using sage over black hunter is gonna be using sight or bow fishing gear. But a trad shooter is not gonna use any of those. Black hunter >>> Samick sage
That light poundage bow will “stack” as you call it at 26” if your form is as bad as yours. I’m think what your confused on is that your shot cycle does not engage your back muscles to execute the shot. You pull back your string arm with your biceps and forearm muscles, you have no fixed anchor point on your face to draw to each time and you lack the physical discipline and conditioning to push forward and engage your bow arm with clean strait alignment. A poor archer blames the bow. This bow is much better than you are at archery. Ps I wouldn’t even stand on the same range as you if you were shooting a compound bow.
Compound guy and compound opinions. Shame....both trad bows are decent. Sage and spyder are virtually the same for a trad shooter. Stick to compound mate.
All this videos are all the same they make it sound like its not a good product and then they say “im not saying its a bad bow” lmao CV19 is here ppl going walking dead crazy im gonna make sure this bow is the only item i need for self defense
At about 1/4 the price of a compound and being a real bow. I've been very happy with mine. As others have said, it shoots as good as I can..
Upon observing your videos of you shooting a recurve bow I instantly scored your evaluations and recommendations at a 1 out of a possible score of 10. You released the arrows without a fixed and stable anchor point. draw hand away from face. Additionally, in one video you actually released the shaft while your draw hand was in front of your face. As for the stacking of the Samick, reduce the brace height to lowest factory recommendation. I have set up two Samick Sages recurves for 2 nephews with no stack problem and I have a 30.25" draw.
As for the difference in the limb bolts, those have nothing to do with the performance of either bow. I do have to say that my experience setting up the Samick Sage was positive for an inexpensive bow.
BTW: Been setting up and shooting recurves of many brands and draw-weights for 56 years.
Archery is FULL of social poses and gossip.
There's something very wrong with people cause they keep saying luxury items are NOT luxury.
These bows are luxury bows.
Also chicken winging, too much arm not enough back/too much draw weight.
i like my sage and im keeping it . first class bow . never lets me down
Jon do you want one piece or takedown and I guess your talking about recurves. U want to consider your budget (if you can afford it I would get a bear takedown) and the material
@Jon Buy black hunter from mandarin duck. Much better than samick sage.
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 do you have both. A lot of people say they are equal
@@nenolaura2199 Price is almost equal but Black hunter is much better in quality. Samick sage stacks at longer draw length. Black hunter is smooth even upto 30" + draw length. That’s because Black hunter has dual lamination bamboo core limbs which is much smoother and shoots much faster than normal maple wood core limbs.
Also, Samick sage 62" bow with 19" riser and medium size limbs. Black hunter is 60" with 15" riser and long limbs. Although Black hunter is 2 inch shorter in overall size, it has longer limbs than samick sage.
Only reasons you may choose sage over black hunter if you want to use sight, plunger button and elevated rest, you can use those in Black hunter because of lack of attachment points. But you are not gonna use those in trad bow, are you.
I don't have both bows, but I shot both.
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 Thank you
Look, this bow offers additional limbs for only $69.95 each set.
You can buy limbs from #25 to #60 in 5# increments.
So buy yourself a #25lb Sage, and learn anchor points and get your muscle memory, and also train you back muscles by getting them engaged at lower weights.
The average man doesn't have enough back strength to perform #40lb dumbell fly's properly. And probably won't be able to draw the bow fully, with a pinched shoulder blade, and hold it longer than a split second or two.
Everyone should get the #25 bow and a half dozen light spined arrows and shoot them till they ware the arrows out or lose them all.
Then buy a new set of limbs for $70 of the draw weight you desire and pick arrows appropriate to that. Maybe use #25, then #35, then upgrade again to #45 for hunting. Or stay at #35 for easy target shooting that doesn't tire you out after a few shots.
You're talking aesthetics and preference not performance........
Uneducated low class.
One of the best takedown bows I've used. Brilliant bow and has nothing to complain about. I love it.
Every bow today IS a luxury item.
I like the fact that you don’t have music blaring as loud as your voice like some idiots feel the need to do.
Also, you get right to the point and don’t ramble on, and on, like many others.
Nicely done review!
That Spyder XL is absolutely identical to mine Black Sheep Nova and I have compared it to Samick Sage when I was buying it. Originally went for Sage at the shop. That Spyder/Nova bow has smaller handle that sits in my hand better as I have small to medium size hands but a long arms so smaller handle and longer limbs suits me better.
Just a small note, you can replace the hex head limb bolts on the Spyder with the hand tightening version, they are sold on the site, I believe the cost is about $3.00 USD each.
Sage's are famous for green objects.
Always experiencing a spider attack gets a bit too much for humans.
You Can't get around names. They perfectly describe what you'll experience from the product.
I’ve had a sage in my stable for years. It shoots as good as I can. I don’t find it stacks at all at my 27.5 draw.
I bet its given you something from the sage lifestyle.
You're now wiser than before.
You're not in a rush to take down bears or stuff.
Your archery experience was sage like.
I draw 27.5 inches. Don’t have any problem with stacking of my Samick sage. It’s been a good hunter at 55 lbs for many years now. There are better bow out there, but they cost more. Just my thought for what it worth.
This was a very well thought out
Video with a single focus. The
Sage does stack. I draw 30 inches
And it really stopped being a bow
I enjoyed shooting. All stick bows
Will stack eventually. If you have
A long draw look for a bow that
Is designed for your draw length.
Probably looking at a custom bow
But for the joy of shooting a bow
That pulls smooth out to your
Draw length it will be worth it.
Excellent vid. I know I’m late to the party. Just started getting into archery and I recently ordered a SWA Spyder. It should arrive this week. This vid was integral in my decision. Good stuff 👍
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. Looking to get into archery and was comparing just those two bows! Upvote for presenting your opinion clearly and concisely!
It's all very low class and full of oneself.
The bow designer talks to you by choosing a name for the product.
A sage lifestyle and a spider attack are completely different experiences.
If names mean nothing to you then you're lost.
Awesome video mate.
I got ptsd and anxiety so for me archery is meditation and relaxation. Ive in a bow club and loaning gear now. But am out of work so cant afford my own gear i dream of having a good recurve bow and target so i can shoot everyday would help me a lot both with the ptsd/anxiety and getting in better shape.
The limb bolts for the sage also fit the spyder for those that want the thumb screws.
Names are not interchangeable.
The sage lifestyle IS different to spider attack technique.
You people don't understand names.
The spyder gives you the impression of hitting the target like a spider attack.
The sage gives you a completely different impression.
Thanks, Both bows look great. You did a good job explaining. I would have liked to see a poundage scale showing the stacking, but I have done it with a scale and seen the difference in my bows. ... I had a Bear bow that crashed a limb after just 48 days of shooting. Thats when I found out that the bows were made by another company in Florida. Warranty replacement came from there and I ship my damaged bow there. First replacement was absolutely unfit for shooting and 5 pounds less than the one that failed. Bear was terrible at the emails back and forth. It took over three months to get a satisfactory replacement on a $500 bow. I would never buy another Bear bow. The fiberglass tips inside the recurve had been ground so thin, I could see the color of the wood underneath. I refused to even string up. However, I do like the final replacement. It is the 48 inch model recurve. My draw length is 25.5 . It does start stacking heavily at about 26 inches. I do use that though to identify full draw along with anchor point.
Draw length is measured 1.75 inches in front of the throat of the grip not from the back of the riser. Based on this you are past 28” draw when it begins to stack.
I agree with you. For me the extra length of the Spyder XL sold me. (I'm 6'3".) I won't argue with those who love their Samick Sages though.
I'm sticking with my 30# Sage. It fits me. Smooooth drawing
And you get to experience the bow of sages. That's worth something.
A sage lives a quiet gentle life. And that's your archery experience that you can only get from this sage style bow.
Green is associated with sages.
Names have meaning. The maker is telling you something.
Thank you, I was really up in the air about these two bows. I’m 6’ 3” and the bow I’m learning on is a 62” but when I pull all the way to the corner of my mouth it gets much harder and when I release the arrow tends to go crazy. Probably just my novice release but when I don’t pull all the way back and release the arrow fly’s straight. After this video I would think it is stacking that I don’t like about that PSE Razor back.
I am keeping my sage because it has the features I need, but I have learnt many valid points that you have raised, especially with the stacking. I really liked how you measured out the 24", 26" and 28" increments on the arrow. I draw at 27.5" max, which lowers my 45# bow only slightly. My guess would be that it lowers to about 42.5# maybe?
I wonder if you could do a video demonstrating how much poundage (#) a bow will lose if you are not drawing it to its full length. The reason why I ask this is because my thoughts are, if I was to drop my draw down to maybe 26" I could prevent stacking and maybe still be getting the power of 40#. In my country (New Zealand) the minimum bow hunting draw weight factor is 15 kg (35 lb). So that would still be ample to take down anything in my country.
Also, I know this option may not be recommended because I probably wouldn't be properly anchoring? But then this begs the question? When reaction shooting, do we really need to get a full draw and anchor prior to releasing the shot. Or can accurracy still be maintained or by releasing earlier. Considering that by releasing earlier at say 26" and not having any stacking, might would mean less shacking, and of course a make a more accurate shot?
A video on your opinion would be much appreciated, or at the very minimum your comment would be much appreciated.
Maybe you're easily led by fools.
Maybe you don't know what a sage is and don't want to experience a part of their archery lifestyle.
What do names mean to you?
I have a bear 50th anniversary takedown and multiple Samick sages and SAS bows, they are all equally awesome, I’m partial to the bear strictly bc I love bear brand and the history. But my sammick is just as good and I can get 7-8 sammicks for the price of my bear. And my draw is 29.5” and the sammick handles 70# limbs beautifully.
I really appreciate this review. At 6'3", my draw length is over 28 inches (If I measured correctly). So the Sage would definitely present stacking issues for me.
Sage's live quiet gentle lives. They have nice things to say.
People who take down bears live busy lives.
Names tell you something about the lifestyle the bow offers you.
You can draw a fiberglass laminated, traditional recurve bow back, until the tips nearly touch each other.
"Stacking" is simply where the draw weight diverges exponentially.
They say plan on 2-1/2lb additional draw weight per inch beyond 28" or wherever the bow is rated #@draw length.
But some bows "stack" quicker, where the first inch past it's rated 28" draw length may be +2lb, the second inch will add +3lb, and another inch might add +5lb.
So a #40 bow rated at 28" might actually draw nearly #50 at 31" draw length.
Simply buy a lighter draw weight bow.
@@TheJustinJ this is exactly how it went when i first got a sage. I have a 31 inch draw and i could feel it stack at full draw. Felt like it was closer to 50#
Well his reasons for the change is his preference but welcome to recurve bows it's what they do that was the whole idea behind the design of the recurve bow do the homework it builds energy when a bow starts reaching its full potential your building poundage simple math right well I would say drop the poundage a little and make it up on the back wall as well as in your arrow builds that's what we do ? Humm I have two samick sage recurve bows one stays at 60 lb. The other one I have multiple limbs for at 40 lb. I shoot a 30 in. 500 spinne 460 grn. Arrow and group under 4 in. That's shooting 100% trad. Love my bows, oh at 15 yards shooting this guy's expressing his choice and why. I recommend go and shoot a couple bow to find your weight tolerance and feel then create the arrow that bow likes then stacking problem gone.
You don't want to be messing with an Allen key in a bug out surviv all situation me I stick with choosing samick sage take down recurve bow and samick pricing point is fair and awesome peace from the UK....
But here's the thing, Samick Sage has the track record.
Compared everything but the price. What is the price difference?
Good video. It seems to me neither bow would stack as long as they are. I'm a fan of short bows. My Longbow is 54" and 62lbs at 26" draw. Now it is not the smoothest thing to draw but it's blistering fast.
Thanks for the comment Dan! Honestly, I was a little surprised at the stacking on the 62." But even the 40lb bow was really uncomfortable to draw at 28 inch draw length. It drew well up to about 26 inches. Given that your longbow is only 54" i'm guessing material is the biggest factor in stacking. Just curious, what is your longbow made of?
For more info 'Lily Survivor' tests & reviews the Samick Sage she's very knowledgeable (& has a cute accent).
I bought my samick Sage in April used it 2 to 3 times a week and the riser cracked at the handle last week. It's a hairline fracture but...( I now the Samick Sage is a great bow, that's why I bought it. But this situation doesn't inspire confidence).
Any ideas on new bows or whether or not I'll be able to get a new riser?
I treated it with the utmost care. I didn't fill out the warranty so I'm fairly certain I'm screwed on the warrantied riser.
Awesome video and great explanation between the two!
Wrong clint.
Not once does he mention naming rights.
A sage lives a very different lifestyle to someone with a spider attack style bow.
Names have meaning. You're not going to swipe away naming rights.
You didn’t show the stacking of the other bow so I have no point of comparison
I have three. No problem except I Robinhood at the range. Arrows aren't cheap, need pins. Have a older bear super Kodiak. Yes it's smother and faster but not 400 dollars worth.
for the price and if you really did your research sage is a really really good bow. Just need to tune your arrows and get a sight/stabilizers/arrow rest/plunger and clicker.
Thinking about trimming my sammick limb trays down. The other bow isnt just contoured but also shorter. Takes a gram or two off no doubt.
Just wonder if twisting could become an issue.
I never bought the sage I bought the spyder actually it came in today and I shot it at 55 lb. pretty good bow
Yeah but you missed out on the calm archery experience.
An attack like a spider is what you got.
Last one I bought…. Drew it back and the top limb bolt ripped out of the riser, limb hit me between the eyes. Directly deposited into the trash can, I think Chinese bows are getting better but buyer beware.
I have a sage and a journy and love both. Hunt with both. I have 4 bears a damon howatt an indian. And a ben pearson as well. I draw right at 29 inchesand stacking is no issue. Draw is very smooth. Glad i dont have any issues with mine
My Samack Polaris hasn’t failed me yet
I have a fleetwood edge, from three rivers. It’s basically a Samick sage
I just bought that bow, waiting for it to arrive. Is it good?
At what length does the Western Archery bow start to stack? I understand that if the Sage stacks at 26” and your draw is near 28” it can be tougher to draw but what about the Western Archery stacking length? Can anyone elaborate?
Great video.
It gets harder the further you pull back cus the poundage gets heavier the further you go...
I went from 25 years of compound and bought a dorado and just ordered a satori. I shot the samik and didnt like it one little bit.
Forget limb stacking, look at the elephant in the room which is arrow allignment with respect to the string.
What you have missed on both of your bows is that, none of them can launch the arrow straight.
Both bows, angle the arrow to the left. Looking at both of the risers, none of them have any kind of decent decent alignment.
The string is alligned with the limbs, yes good however , the design and thickness of the riser is all wrong. The arrow should leave the bow as straight as possible however, the way these limbs are designed, this is never possible.
Even if you shoot off the shelf, the arrow alignment is off and to the left. If you screw in a arrow rest with plunger button, the bad arrow alignment will become even more pronounced.
If you shoot off the shelf, you have the flight fletchers coming into contact with the riser sending the arrow sideways to some degree.
With the arrow rest and plunger button, your flectchers will hopefully clear and contact with the riser however, the string allignment with respect to the arrow, will be badly out of allignment.
Out of the two bows, which should you choose?
None of them. They are both inferior, irrespective of limb stacking.
OK, completely new to archery, what other budget bow would you recommend instead?
@@IKvASS I am new to archery as well, and I am in the same predicament as you.
This bow is governed by a thing called "dynamic spine" and I don't like it.
I will speak to a lot of people and see what they say.
I may get out my wood router and trim the riser, so this thing shoots straight. Im not sure if that will weaken it too much?
May need to strengthen it on the other side. Now im carving into a brand new bow and that cannot be good.
I am very disappointed with this now, and my archery shop is not giving me much information.
I was told that if I do "correct" this bow, I will need to change my arrows. They will need to be a stiffer spine.
I am not enjoying my archery beacause of this redicules bow design nonsence.
@@nenadstanojevic1427 cool, let me know what you find. That is a bit disturbing as many other people recommended this bow.
I guess you could try returning the bow if you are not happy with it instead of hacking it.
@@IKvASS Another archery shop suggested a bow callef Martin Panther. Im looking into it.
As far as my Samic Sage is concerned, I really dont like it much at all. From what I can see, many wooden bows are made this way. They call it "traditional archery", I call it a mistake in engineering.
@@IKvASS i will Try and work with the bow as best as I can to train my self in executing the perfect shot, in the mean time, im no longer expecting good results from it.
This bow can be likened to a gun with a bent barrel, or a car which always steers to the left.
Yes you can drive it, but you will be constantly compensating for it.
Yes. A good archer can shoot that bow and get good results, but they probably would not want to use it.
do any of y'all know if there is any stacking at 30 inches without the 62 inch bow length?
The name does have meaning. Parents have always known more stuff than the child.
I draw 30, and a 45 sage scales 51 at my draw. My xl shows 47 at 30, and is far smoother to draw. Shouldn’t have sold my old journey..
Hello! Please tell, how many wood layers between fiberglass layers in your limbs of Samick Sage? I bought my sage (45#) in 2018, maybe it is new revision, but in my limbs there is only one basic wooden layer, but my samick polaris limb is consist of two basic layers of wood between fiberglass layers. Also a read on www.lancasterarchery.com - "The ORIGINAL Sage takedown recurve riser is becoming the Galaxy Sage! The Galaxy Archery team includes designers and archers who developed the original Sage design nearly a decade ago using Samick as the manufacturer and brand. During 2018, Sage bows purchased from Lancaster Archery Supply may bear Samick or Galaxy branding. Galaxy Archery principals own the trademark rights on the Sage name and will continue to support both Samick Sage and Galaxy Sage models." - but my sage has label-medal with "Samick Sage" not "Galaxy Sage"
If I order a Flemish twist fast flight string,is it a 64 inch string?
The limb split on mine on the first draw.
You'd better go to the doctor.
@@dreyn7780 Why the doctor?
@@ttribetribe6807 you made a statement and so I made a statement too and a joke.
If you ask a question, you must first introduce yourself to the people.
@@dreyn7780 I get that, I just do not get the joke. I apologize. I am sure that it was very funny.
He's just trying to sell the spider.
Interesting.. My25lbs SS is actualy 29lbs with 28"
It's called click bait.
I just bought xl. Hope your right! Lol
Hi like the video, did you by any chance measure the speed va speed of these bows? Regards boemtie
Hi Boemtie, Thanks for the comment! No, I wasn't able to officially measure speed with these two bows. Just from my judgement, I think with lighter arrows the two bows are comparable, with heavy arrows the Spyder XL wins.
Good information well presented
It wasn't at all.
Not one mention of a sages lifestyle.
Not one mention of the other bow launches like a spider attack.
Sages would put a tinge of green on their bow.
Green is associated with sages.
You're blind as a bat.
You have such horrible things to say.
Did you get your green and white arrows for ali express?
Hi Emanuel, I actually got them from Amazon. Normally it doesn't seem like they carry a lot of good feather arrows but these have been great. They are TTAD turkey feather carbon arrows. They are on the heavy side so I would only recommend them if you are shooting at least a 40 pound bow. They are good for hunting too. I don't know if I can post links in comments but I'll give it a shot. www.amazon.com/TTAD-Feather-Hunting-Archery-Compound/dp/B07842SZ1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1539653118&sr=8-1&keywords=TTAD
Cuse I have the same ones in the color green but I got them from ali express. But thanks for answering.
yes i'm happy with my 40 lbs sage too
@@Narrow_Gate_Forge your bow attacks the target like a spider.
That's WHY it was named after spiders.
It allows you time to think and concentrate and come up with something wise.
That's what sages do during the day.
Samick sage is overrated. It stacks quite a lot after 28" draw length. Black hunter from mandarin duck is much better in quality with same price. 60" bow ( 15" riser with long limb), dual laminated bamboo core limb, no sign of stacking even in 30" draw length. Only reason of using sage over black hunter is gonna be using sight or bow fishing gear. But a trad shooter is not gonna use any of those.
Black hunter >>> Samick sage
Thanks, My draw is 30 inches.
People who draw pull a gun.
after 24 shots the lower Limb on the bow snapped while i had it drawn, i now have 3 cracked teeth
bullshit
Do you brain still cracked???
Get serious. Get Hoyt.
@@buttholethebarbarian313 Lot better bows than Hoyt for recurves.
Compared to other takedowns twice as expensive at least, the sage is quiet compared to other ones which copy a gun lmao they sound terrible
That light poundage bow will “stack” as you call it at 26” if your form is as bad as yours.
I’m think what your confused on is that your shot cycle does not engage your back muscles to execute the shot.
You pull back your string arm with your biceps and forearm muscles, you have no fixed anchor point on your face to draw to each time and you lack the physical discipline and conditioning to push forward and engage your bow arm with clean strait alignment.
A poor archer blames the bow.
This bow is much better than you are at archery.
Ps I wouldn’t even stand on the same range as you if you were shooting a compound bow.
Sorry I have shoot this bow a few times. This bow is to bulky and performed less then the manderin duck the black hunter
Compound guy and compound opinions. Shame....both trad bows are decent. Sage and spyder are virtually the same for a trad shooter. Stick to compound mate.
the spider misses the point of the sage. Its like a pussy version of the sage :P
Blah Blah Blah... but thanks for your opinion Mr.
Yeah you’re a compound guy. The samick sage is great and it is a better budget bow
The spyder is cheaper than the sage on Amazon.
All this videos are all the same they make it sound like its not a good product and then they say “im not saying its a bad bow” lmao CV19 is here ppl going walking dead crazy im gonna make sure this bow is the only item i need for self defense
This is nothing more than a Clickbait TH-cam video.
Learn to shoot before you want to make reviews brother. Take your time and learn the craft
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Compared everything but the price. What is the price difference?