Thank you my friend! I really appreciate that. I try to get to everyone as fast as I can. If people invest time in my content, I can invest time in their comments. It’s my pleasure. I hope you have a great day! Thank you again. Best regards.
As a new archer I was really torn between the black hunter and the sage as a first bow, in the end, the quality control issues of the black hunter sealed the deal, and I bought myself a sage. Obviously I can’t measure it against a black hunter, but I absolutely love the sage, it’s a great bow for me, I took your advice and resisted the urge to go heavy on draw weight in the name of masculinity, and went in at 30lb, which has really helped me nail down my form. I can’t thank you enough for the help your videos have given, and continue to give, thank you so much for all the amazing content 👍
That's awesome that you opted to get the fundamentals in order first! The best thing about takedown bows is that you can always increase the weight as you get grow into it. I really enjoy my sage as well, and would be hard pressed to part with it. I also appreciate your feedback about my content. It's comments like yours that keep me going. If I am helping others in some way it makes it worth it! I hope you have a great day my friend. Best regards.
These cheap samicks has also lots of quality issues. Limbs can be wrong weight than they should be, not even close and the riser is glued badly it can crack.
Thank you for the comment my friend. I think anything mass produced can have issues and some do more than others. So far I have been pleased with my samick. I appreciate your time. Have a great evening
I've had my Sage for probably around 11 years, and still delighted with her. I've taken her hunting, in target tournaments, 3-D, and general flinging. I've never had an issue, the weight is comfortable, the grip is very comfortable, and I have relatively large hands. I make a Flemish twist B55 for the string, and I have about a 29" draw with no noticeable stacking.
Thank you for the input my friend. Not sure why the Sage gets bagged on so much. They are really good shooting bows. I guess people like what they like. I don’t think I will ever part with mine. All around great bow to fling arrows with. Have a great day. Best regards
Thank you my friend. I’m glad it was helpful. If you need anything feel free to ask. I will assist as much as possible. Have a great evening. Best regards
I still shoot mine to this day. It's been a great bow for me. I know some people bag on it, but all in all it's a guy's shooter. I hope you get a lot of mileage out of yours. Thank you for your time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
I’ve been lucky with my black hunter recurve and have taken several stalked pigs and a nice muley from 32 yards. It is Light and shoots really well. Fits my hand better than any bow ever had. But I shoot my samick sage better 3D target shooting. Just seems more stable and it seems hide slip ups in form much better and don’t get as much drift on small misfires. Great video
I couldn't decide between a Black Hunter or Samick Sage and your video decided for me. I ordered a Samick Sage @ 35lb today. I had a bad case of analysis paralysis up until your video😒. It's my first bow at 63 years old lol. Actually it's my second but I'm still awaiting delivery of an SAS folding Recon @ 40lb ( the lowest I could buy ). I bought the Recon to take on solo motorcycle camping trips into the bush. We're having some problems with packs of wild dogs here in Australia so I got the Recon for some protection ( hopefully😂). Anyhow, thanks for the great review it was much appreciated👍👍.
Getting through your videos and I’m liking what I see. I’m looking to get into archery and your videos are very likeable to watch and your voice and presents is easy to listen/watch. Keep up the good work
My friend thank you for the kind words. It is really appreciated! I hope you do venture into it. Once you do I quickly becomes very addictive. I am always curious about other people's journey in this sport. Please let me know how you progress. If I can be of any help feel free to contact me. Have a great evening! Best regards.
I would have to agree with Todd. I think the Samick is very loud and it is very chunky, I too recommend the black hunter over the Samick all day long. But thank you for your review and appreciate you, take care brother and God bless. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
@@ScottWinters We all have are own preferences. I don’t like Brussels sprouts LOL I guess that’s what makes the world go around, thanks again my friend take care and God bless.
I gotta take out my Samick Sage and give it a go after watching this. It really is a great bow that unfortunately gets overlooked in my collection. Great video brother keep up the great work!
Handy, thanks for the comment my friend. I really appreciate your time. I have a soft spot for my Samick, it would be hard to part with it. Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
I use the Samik sage for my survival needs and it's a great idea for preppers on a budget me not being able to own firearms this bow has made a huge difference in my survival needs and skills plus I keep a slingshot and pepper with body armor I got the 60 pound Samik sage and it works great for me I started at 50 with just a cheap 75 dollar Amazon bow to get me started then when I was ready for 60 thats when I bought my Samik sage for my permanent bow amd I'm glad I did
That’s awesome my friend. I’m a bit of a prepper as well. I’m glad to hear the Samick has worked out well for you. I can’t imagine pulling back and holding 60 lbs of draw weight. Mostly because I have never tried one. Brother I wish you well going into the new year. Have a great day. Best regards
Great video!! I have one of each and both are awesome bows!! I'm at a 30 inch draw and never noticed much stacking on either one. I think some folks that think a bow stacks a lot just aren't ready for that extra weight, but don't want to accept it. Thanks for another great video!!
Agreed my friend. What I tested didn't produce any stacking other than the normal increase in weight past 28 inches. I think starting with the right draw weight is gets overlooked a good bit of the time, and my be what some consider a stacking issue. I really appreciate you watching and taking the time comment. It is appreciated my friend! Have a great day. Best regards
You should be good with this bow my friend. Really past 28 inches you are only adding about 2 to 3 pounds extra, but it's really not that noticeable in small increments like that. I appreciate your time and the comment my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
Great video, been rolling these 2 around in my mind for awhile. I enjoyed archery as a kid and been wanting to revisit that but not sure where to start. Thanks for offering some clarity to the topic.
Thank you for your time my friend. I am glad you found the video helpful. Let me know which one you decide on. I hope you have a great day! Best regards
Thank you for the vid ! I have not bought a bow yet and haven't even shot a bow for probably 40 years. But I am serious about getting a recurve and learning traditional shooting with a takedown recurve bow
Thank you my friend. I hope you decide to do so. It’s been an excellent journey for me. Let me know if you do, and let me know if I can help in any way. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I've been keen on the Sage since watching Survival Lily's video on the Sage. The tool less takedown and reassembly is a big selling point for me. And the multiple limb poundages including 25 lb as I would like to get that weight for my wife. I will probably start with 35 lb
Nice brother well said. I might add a lot of folks are looking for a miracle bow for minimal money when they buy these and I just haven't seen that bow in all my years at traditional , both are good for the cost... but save your money a while longer if you really want that miracle bow. I always enjoy your content man.
Thanks for the comment my friend. Agree with your point about the miracle bow. I think we have to take it for what it is, and understand it's entry level and a starting point. I really appreciate your time! Have a great day brother. Best regards
Great information… I’ve come to the party quite late in life at 53 .. but just started shooting a bow at a casual Sunday shoot a couple of months ago. But in the new year I am looking to take things up a notch and complete a beginners course, join a club and buy a bow .. all very exciting .. so I’m in research phase at the moment trying to learn everything I can good and bad so I can make a good choice. Not sure how available everything will be as I’m in the UK. But thanks for your insights .. I have subscribed so I can check out your other videos. Looking forward to shooting a few arrows
That's awesome friend. Never too late. Let me know when you take the plunge and buy a bow. Id love to hear your progress going forward. Depending on in who you ask, you will get a lot of different answers on what works our does not work. Best advice is to find what works for you and just enjoy it. I really appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thanks Scott I’ll definitely update you when I make decisions. It will just be targets for me and hopefully some 3D targets. As actual hunting is not legal in the UK 🇬🇧 so that will inform my choices. I prefer bare bow at the moment rather than Olympic style .. but I know nothing yet so who knows. Thanks again Regards Martin
You have some very informative videos I myself have a Galaxy sage at 35 lb I love that bowl and I'm looking to get 45 lb limbs for hunting next year just started shooting here recently doing shoulder rehab
Hopefully the rehab goes well for you. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment! I would have a hard time parting with mine, it has been a good one for me. I've thought about changing my limbs out from time to time but I'm comfortable with it at 40. Where I live there are no weight restrictions, but it's always good to be sensible and ethical about it when hunting. Again I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day, best regards!
Great video. Thank you. I have paused my hunt for a traditional bow to find my draw length. I’m a tall guy so I figure maybe a longer draw. I had a fiberglass recurve bow when I was in middle school. I went through a time when I shot it a lot. I have my own kids now and I want to shoot a traditional bow again and maybe teach them. I have a SAS Maverick in my cart. Thanks for your thoughtful insight on the topic.
My friend it’s great that you are getting back into it. Taller archers tend to have longer draw lengths for sure. I’ve tried to get my boys into the sport. They did for a while but have since found their own passions to pursue. I remember trying to pull my fathers 50 lbs recurve and struggled like crazy, but the arrow released, lol. I’ll remember that always. If I can be of any help don’t hesitate to ask! I’ll share whatever I can. I’m excited for your new journey! Let me know how the new bow works for you. I hope you have a great evening. Best regards to you.
@@ScottWinters thank you for the encouragement. My kids got to go behind the scenes at a Las Vegas show featuring archery. They both got to shoot a kid size recurve bow and a compressed air arrow shooter. It was fun for them. My daughter really liked it. My son kind of likes the BB gun. I ordered them a little Kainokai bow set to see how it goes. Meanwhile I will get back into it myself.
Thank you for the comment. Hope you get it together and enjoy shooting it my friend. Id love to hear your experience with it! Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
That seems to be the norm for the BHR . Some have issues some do not. I'm glad yours did not and that you have had a good run with it. I appreciate you taking the time to comment . Thank you my friend and have a great day. Best regards
This is exactly what I have found, with one addition: the black hunter longbow vatriant definitely starts its exponential stack at 29-29.5 inches. I have a 30.5 inch draw length, and the recurve version feels just fine, while the longbow feels really tough in the same draw weight. Makes sense though because the recurve can "unwind" and keep slower string angle than the longbow.
That's interesting my friend. I have read A long bow will start stacking sooner depending on how far you have to draw because of the starting string angle. Now I want to check that on both my take down LB and my Galaxy LB. Thansk for the great comment. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Your Ghost should be really good with stacking since is a 64" bow overall. In my experience, I have found the max draw length for a modern mild reflex/delfex longbow without severe stacking is: 29" for 60 inch bow 30" for 62 inch bow 31" for a 64 inch bow Etc... Again, this is a general rule, and bow design plays a huge role. An extreme reflex deflex design will stack later, while a straight flat bow will stack sooner. Personally, for my shorter bows I prefer the recurve for the smoother draw for that bow size. Nothing ruins the experience more than hitting that stack. That said, my 68 inch longbow is 65 lb, and draws smoother than my 40 lb 60 inch recurve.... it's just the 65lb draw weight limits how much I can shoot it effectivelt. My personal recommendation to anyone starting out is: 1. Get the longest bow that you can manage/handle. 2. Get a Traditional or hybrid longbow; they are geberally much more forgiving of mistakes while working on form 3. If you are a hunter, get the lowest legal draw weight you can, you can always upgrade from there and still take the bow out within your first 2 years of shooting.
Brother, thank you for the great information. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write that out. It's posts like this that have so much benefit to everyone. Thank you so much. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Absolutely no problem, we all learn as we go. I have been watching a ton of videos, including a bunch of yours, and adding them on to my own experiences. Everyone has something they can teach us, but on one learns if we dont share our experiences.
Scott totaly agree with your assesment with black hunter limb delamination issue. Light arrows with heavier poundage limbs dont dissipate enough energy . My bow is setup for hunting so I shoot slightly heavier arrow so delamination hasnt been a issue. I ordered 55lb limbs and I have a short draw length 27" so I was expecting to be closer to 50lb draw at my draw length. I dont have a quality draw scale but my scale reads 52ish pounds at my draw length. So for me the black hunter is right at what I expected. Very pleased with it.
Appreciate the comment. I've taken some flack for that stance, but I stick by it. I went with heavier arrows myself, not taking chances. It took a minute , but I warmed up the BH finally so I'll keep.for as long as it works for me. It's always good to hear that others have a good one that suits their needs. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
After putting 1000 -1200 shots through it, the Black Hunter Recurve will settle into about 44.9-46.3lbs @28". that's been my experience anyhow. I originally bought the Black Hunter Long Bow and bought a set of 45# Recurve Limbs for it as the risers for both are nearly identical other than a slight difference in shape on the mount point for the lower limb of the long bow, which is squared of whereas the Recurve Riser is cut to the same angel as the top right (on the belly side) of the lower Recurve Limb Also both sets of limbs like heavier arrows, say between 12-14 grains per pound of draw weight. Also you're right about it not being a beginners bow, I would recommend it for an advanced beginner to an intermediate shooter, however it does lend itself well to track and stalk hunting because of how compact it is, so there is that too :) Edited to correct grammar.
@@ScottWinters No worries, I just thought I would throw my 2cents into the mix, and enjoy the rest of your day/evening Whichever the case may be -Kage S.
This is an excellent video and the information presented by the speaker is definitely helpful to those who are curious about these two bows. In addition, the speaker is very articulate and he presents the information in a clear and concise manner without rambling. So, well done in my opinion!
Good review, lot of info here. I got a Black Hunter and returned it due to the quality control on it, it said it would come with a stringer but it didn't so I never got to shoot it. I like how the Samick Sage has fixtures for accessories, gives the bow some extra longevity since you can outfit it to work for your needs. Maybe I'll get that one.
I appreciate your time my friend. The Sage does offer more options to customize to your liking. I have enjoyed mine over the time I have owned it. Let me know what you decide on. I wish you the best of everything on your journey my friend. Let me know if I can help in any way. Have a great evening. Best regards
Love my Sage! Got some 55lb SWA limbs for it, though, because the stock ones aren't that great. They delaminated on me because it wasn't strung correctly (my fault). I notice stacking with my 28" draw, too. I do wish I had a 66" version. It's not bad, though, especially for hunting. It's only kinda annoying after hundreds of shots per day. The riser is awesome and I plan on getting more to try some mods like slight contouring and putting stain and Tung oil on it. I put a $10 12 oz. x spot weight on it and a limbsaver rubber dampener thingy that fits on, and it's so perfectly balanced, I noticed immediate and dramatic improvements in my arrow groupings. The SWA spyder riser I have is prettier but not as well balanced Also upgraded to fast flight based on it being an overwhelmingly recommended upgrade. Never even shot the stock one. Definitely recommend the Sage. For beginners I suggest 30lb stock limbs and also buying SWA 50-60lb limbs to work up to.
Thanks for the insights on your setup. I really like mine as well. Had it out this past weekend taking some shots with it. I do like the Spyder refinements to the riser. Hopefully it will let a long as my sage. I really appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a great day. Best regards
I've seen those and thought the looked very similar as well.. it would not surprise me if it were. I think a lot of manufacturers either lift elements or outright copy what's on the market. How does it shoot for you? I appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a evening. Happy New Year and best regards to you my friend.
I've now watched this vid and the part 1 & 2 on the Black Hunter itself. I feel really good now about the decision I'm going to make regarding a potential purchase. Thanks for all of the information!
That was actually a great, and informative review. I have wondered many times what people like yourself who have both bows thought about them in respect to one another. I may eventually get the Red Lingyun Black Hunter simply because I think it's a really good looking bow, but I am waiting for my new Lwano upgraded bow I ordered on Sept. 18th to come in ... it's 40 lbs at 28" and 62" in length. And I agree with you that everyone in the youTube Archery community has been a great group of guys just having some fun sharing their experiences!
Thank you brother. I really appreciate your time. When you get the new bow definitely post up a video about it. I like them both but have a soft spot for the Samick. It most definitely is a great community. Have a great evening my friend! Best regards.
Thank you so much for the kind comment. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to watch and comment. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
Agree with you 100% on the blocky feel of the riser. Did your reworking of the riser help? A couple of people have commented they have done some modifications to theirs as well. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
I appreciate how straightforward and approachable you are in this video. My daughter and I are new archers, and I have been shooting the Samick Sage 30#/28 to work on my form, but I want to upgrade to a fast flight string. Do you have any recommendations?
Thank you my friend for your time and the comment. It is appreciated. If you want to upgrade there are so many options to choose from. My recommendation would be the Southwest Archery Spyder or Spyder XL. It’s one of my favorite recurves that I own. You can use a fast flight string with this bow. Shoots good and is easy on the wallet. There is a sizing difference between the two, but the bows are identical in form and function. Just check the descriptions of each to pick the right one for your needs. Thanks again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards.
Hi Scott! Keep the vids coming, you do a great job. I just wanted to add some info on the Black Hunter topic. I believe the original was the one sold as an Obert Black Hunter. These were made by Junxing. Junxing called them the F171. Junxing also makes a 58" version - F178, SinoArt sells that one. Mandarin Duck and others have marketed the F171 as a Black hunter. All of these have the different limb shape for top and bottom. I purchased the SinoArt version in 60#'s and later got a pair of 40# limbs (unknown marketer-Ebay used) they both have the unique top and bottom limb profiles. Both test out accurately for draw weight. I think the ones with squared off and interchangeable top to bottom limbs are made by someone other than Junxing. I say this because Junxing has none on their website. I could be wrong, but I think most of the QC issues are with bows made by some other Chinese entity. It's kind of hard to say that Black Hunter has QC issues when the name Black Hunter does not refer to one specific company. There could be several different factories making them and using the same name. Unfortunately, there is no real control of intellectual property in China.
Ron, thanks for taking the time to make a great comment, and share some really good info. Agreed there are many different entities selling the "black hunter" . Someone stated in a previous comment that the majority of these offerings may be seconds. Hard to tell with the market being flooded the way it is. I wondered about squared limb ends as well, but didn't ponder over it too much. How do you like the Sino Art version? I think unless you go directly to the manufacturer there is no way to know what you are actually getting. I have read many reviews about these and it always seems there is mention of the draw weight issues. I wonder why that is so prevalent these aftermarket offerings. Maybe I was a bit broad stroked with the QC issues statement, i have said many dumb things in my 50 plus years on this spinning rock, LOL. My friend I really appreciate your time. Thanks again for the great info. I hope you have a great evening! Best Regards.
@@ScottWinters I've got a couple of decades, saying dumb things, on you. It's unlikely that you will catch up but keep at it! I got the Sino Art BH on ebay (new open box return) for 70 bucks. It uses the same riser as the 60" version, just shorter arms. I would not recommend the shorter version for someone my size (6') unless the poundage is 40 or less. Mine is great with longer 40# limbs I got off Ebay later. It was a real beast with the 60# limbs! I didn't have too much trouble drawing it but stringing it gave me a hernia! I hope you had a great Christmas! Later...
Thank you for your time my friend. Sorry that your experience was a bad one. Hopefully you found something that works for you. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
I appreciate your time to make a comment. I know people either like the Sage or dislike it. I have really enjoyed mine. I do like the black hunter as well, but prefer the Sage. Have a great evening. Best regards my friend.
I find with most of the bows I have bought with bamboo core limbs they start off at higher poundages than stated and eventually settle in around the weight ordered, a little over or under I'm guessing it's due to the nature of the material and we expect everything to be exact, my Korean horse bows were the same but took longer to settle to the desired weight, so much so that by the time the limbs reached the ordered weight they felt under powered, something to keep in mind if your ordering bamboo.
Thank you my friend for the information! I am curious to see how much more they will relax over time. I could see how they would feel underpowered if you get used to the higher poundage at the beginning. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment and your insight on the topic. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Thanks boss was good vid Fleetwood Edge in 55 lb and I absolutely love it I used to have a 60 lb version as well and it was absolutely wonderful now I have the one with the hand twist knobs instead of the bolts like your Samick sage and I really like it looking forward to more videos
I like them both they shoot great after you get the brace hieght and nock point right the samick sage offers more options/add on's but mine started to stack after 28.5" so i give the edge to the black hunter and it also can be interchangeable with longbow limbs. Always shoot heavier arrows a minimum of 9 grains per pound. Fast flight bow string not recommended
Thanks for the comment and your time my friend. I don’t think I have experienced any noticeable stacking with my sage. It shoots well and I think the black hunter shoots equally well. My experience with BH is that it felt cramped to me. I’m curious what your draw length is and how the BH feels to you when shooting. I do like the option to add longbow limbs. Definitely offers variety. Thanks again for the time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
Thank you Scott, this is the exact video I needed to help me decide which of these bows to pick up. Great comparison, hit all the points I was interested in (even the stacking, which no one else on youtube seems to mention). I'm going to be getting the Sage by the way :)
My friend I really appreciate the comment. I'm glad I was able to help you. You'll like the Sage, I've had mine for years with zero complaints. I hope you have great day! Best regards
Still shoot my Sage, can't get rid of it. I hear the longbow version of the black hunter is a great shooting bow. Let me know if you do get one. I'd love to hear your impressions of it. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
To me stacking is when your bow starts behaving like a fishing cane, only thing is that fishing canes won't break because they are designed to behave like that, they bend a lot at the tip until the breaking force becomes a pulling force. the pulling force transfers to the cane handle which is very very thick so it will not break.
I am looking to get a takedown recurve. I’ve only shot a compound bow maybe 10-15 times in my life so I’m definitely a noob and I truly appreciate your opinion and information on these two. They’re the two I’ve cut my options down to for my first bow. Thanks
Thank you for the comment and your time. I love to hear which one you decide on. I hope you have an amazing journey into traditional archery. If I can be of any assistance don’t hesitate to ask. Have a great day. Best regards
Thanks Scott, I think I’ve settled on the Spyder considering it’s just the next level of the Sage. I’m doing this for my enjoyment but also because I have 3 young boys that are trying to find what they love and so I’m im trying to guide them and allow them to try all sorts of fun activities. I really appreciate your videos, they’re perfect for the beginner archer with all the questions. Everytime I find myself wondering about something I check your channel and boom Theresa great video. Anyways, hope you’re doing well. Thanks again. I’m sure I’ll have questions for ya in the future! ✌🏼
You’ll love the Spyder. I am glad that I had the opportunity to pick one up. Good on you with the boys my friend. That’s sorely lacking in todays times. Expose them to as much as you can and they will blaze their own paths one day. I appreciate the compliment. Ask any question you have and I will help as much as I can. Have a great evening! Best regards
I’ve always really liked and pondered on Matisyahu’s lyric “I'm the arrow, you're my bow, shoot me forth and I will go” when it comes to fathering children. You can only sculpt the arrow so much before you just have to shoot it and have faith they’ll fly straight. I’m very blessed to have the boys I do. Even if they don’t like archery I’m going to continue to practice. It’s a great skill to have, especially if shit hits the fan and we go back to the Stone Age! Thanks again Scott for your time and content my friend. Enjoy your evening sir!
Hello from England Scott. I've recently found and subscribed to your channel and love it. You post really good information and tips on shooting. I loved the one about releasing too quickly. I do that and am working on stopping it and taking a second or two to settle before releasing the arrow. I liked your reviews of the Black Hunter too. I have the longbow version and although it is not necessarily the best bow in the world I would have to say that it probably the best value for money bow and anyone just starting out could do a hell of a lot worse. I find that it shoots just as well as a couple of more expensive bows that I own. keep up the good work Scott. Great videos.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and for subscribing. I am glad to hear you are enjoying the content. It is appreciated. I wish I would have purchased the longbow version, but the postive is that I can get the limbs and interchange them. It took me a long time to retrain my brain to pause the shot cycle, once I wrapped my head around the process it made all the difference for me. Thanks again for taking the time to leave a great comment. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Good summarization Scott. I have a Black Hunter with 50# longbow limbs for tree stand deer hunting. Yes it is very agile from a tree stand and one of the quietest bows I've owned. I have SWA Spider recurve which I am just getting acquainted with. Some call it a Samick Sage 2. It is 62" and 55#. I suspect the heavier draw weight will smooth out in a longer bow unlike the 60" Black Hunter. I'd like to hear you speak on draw weights relative to different bow lengths? I don't hear that discussed much on TH-cam.
Thank you watching and taking the time to comment. I've been curious about the Spider biw for sometime now. I've looked into purchasing the xl version but have yet to pull the trigger on getting one. While I like the BH the shorter length and smaller sight window does feel a bit cramped when I shoot it. All shorter risers are prone to this though. I will pit some time into the topic and post something about that. Thanks for the topic idea. I really appreciate your time. Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thank you Scott, your content and presentation is outstanding. I just watched your arrow weight and spine video. I am tweaking my Black Hunter arrows now. I'm running a 545 grain arrow with 135 gain Zwickey broadheads at 50# draw. They shoot well on level ground, even better from my 18' tree stand. Perhaps another topic as well. Tuning for tree stand hunting? The negated gravity from a tree stand enhances my bows shootability a lot!
I have two of the samick sage bows and 40 to 60 lbs limbs they were under a hundred bucks at the time the draw weight was on the money I did immediately put the Flemish twist fast flight string on them I found it took a lot of tunning to finally get them to shoot fair. The black hunters change strings padded the limbs where string slap occurred silencers and vertualy silent out classed the sage bows hands down hardly any tunning at all shooting robin hoods at 20 yards not intentional just that tight of group you're dead right about the weight good comparison, I'll be watching 👍
Thank you for sharing your experience with both of these bows. I have had no issues with my sage. I have since donated my black hunter to a friend wanting to try out archery. Overall the bow was not a bad one. it just wasn't for me, I guess. I am glad to hear yours was a winner for you. Thank you again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards
I had both and gave the Black Hunter away. Not a thing wrong with it I just prefer the Samick Sage. I shoot the 55lb limbs because I have a hobbits 26.25 inch draw length. Though a budget bow I had no problem harvesting my Alberta elk (635g arrow) with the Sage. Nice upload. Subscribing was an easy decision.
Can I put Black Hunter limbs on a Sage riser? I know that Black Hunter limbs have small holes to fit the index pin, but the Sage uses pockets, so there is no need for that. As long as the width and the bolt fit, I might make a franken bow out of them.
I’m not sure if you can just based on the ends of the limbs. Would definitely be a great experiment to see if it works. Let me know what you find out. As long as the bolt holes in the limbs line up with the riser bolt pockets it should work. Thank you for the time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Thanks for the comment my friend! I want to make my own at some point, but always hesitate in starting the process. Maybe one day. I hope you have agreat evening. Best regards
The designers from Sammic that designed the sage went to Southwest archery and made the spider has a thinner riser with a much more comfortable handle but it's essentially the same thing
the weight issue is major. it may mess your form as you struggle. for me it's a deal breaker. I own a samick and i ll say this. the limbs are tanks! slapped them by accident on door twice. the slap was after full draw release and it was hard. they are perfectly fine! many other bows would surely break after this. for the price, it may be the best bow under 200-300 usd. with a couple changes( perfecting the riser, better string in the package etc) they could sell it 300-350 easily.
Absolutely agree with you on the weight. I still enjoy shooting my Sage. Just restrung it and took it out for a spin yesterday. I have put mine through its paces and have not had one single issue in the years that I have owned it. I think they sorta refined it with the release of the Spyder by Soutwest Archery. The same designers that made the Sage are now under SA. I have the Syder XL and it is an excellent shooter as well. I really appreciate your time and the comment. I hope you have a great day. Best regards.
I own a Black Hunter recurve (and one in longbow form as well) and a Samick Sage. I prefer the black hunters but if you take a sander to the Sage's riser you can round off all those ugly square edges, adjust the ergonomics on the grip and lose some weight and vibration in the process. Having done that to it, the Sage still comes in a close second but it's a lot better now than in it's original form!
Thank you for the comment my friend. Don't know if I trust myself to put a sander on it, lol. I may do more than I intend to. I liked the black hunter, the only real negative was the small sight window, it felt cramped to me st least. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day! Best regards
Really likes your videos, no nonsense time-burning opening. Straight to the point with clear and useful explanation. Your channel deserve much much more subscribers IMHO. Can't wait you hit 100K-ish Subscribers very soon. Keep it up Sir! *will be very happy if someone could review Samick Mind 10 Pro recurve bow. Can we consider it as substitute to Samick Sage bow?
I really appreciate your kind words and support my friend! I will have to check out your bow rcomendation. Could be a possible future review if I can put my hands on one. I appreciate the suggestion. Thank you again and have a great day. Best regards
The sage is a smaller bow , so it won't stack as easily as a shorter bow . I often buy mint vintage bows , but I wanted to try a long bow , so I purchased the black hunter long bow 40lb MIne was right on
How do you like the longbow version? I was on the fence between the two. I'm glad yours was to spec. I appreciate you taking the time to.comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
*Black Hunter starts at 20lbs. Own 2 bows, three sets of limbs 2 longbow(35lbs and 55lbs) 1 recurve (20lbs), no quality issues regarding delams, not setup to test weight. D97 (from Krammar) string improved the bows comfort and speed over the supplied string. Biggest complaint about the Black Hunter so far is from my wife, not able to add any thing to the bow, she wants to fish. Have never used a Sage but would love too!
The Black hunter is not a bad bow, some issues with QC, but after further research I think it's mainly due to so many offerings by different companies that let the issues come in. I have heard a lot of great reviews on the longbow version. Yes you cannot add anything to them, so that is a deal breaker for some. The small sight window was a bit different than anything I have shot before so it always felt cramped to me. I still love you shoot my sage and have owned it for years with no issues. I really appreciate your time my friend. Thank you forntaking the time to comment. Have a great evening! Best regards
I have the 40 lb black hunter I absolutely love this little bow it is my first however other than a PSE snake which doesn't count sage is hideous there's a guy at my range that uses one and I feel like it looks like 1973 not like the late '60s for later in the 70s like you want 😂
I noticed this is a couple years old when I found it, I am looking at these two bows , wonder if the quality issues with the black hunter have been resolved? I like the look of it better .
I know this is a bit of an older video, but just came across it. Thanks for the detailed info!! I am currently a compound shooter, and am looking to maybe pick up recurve too. I watched quite some videos about Black Hunter, and yours only confirms it more: it is a pretty good bow for a good price. Definitely want to buy that one. But, you said it's probably not best for beginners. Did you mean "beginners to archery in general" or "beginners to recurve archery specifically"? And a last question (if you ever shot compound bows too, otherwise ignore this...) are there, besides the letoff that compound has, other things that I have to take into account? I shoot currently with fingers (3 under), does that give me an advantage to using recurve? Or would I basically have to learn from scratch, because the differences are so big?
Thank you for the comment and questions. The Black Hunter is a good bow. There are so many vendors offering this bow the QC can be hit or miss. I was speaking specifically to new archers due to the draw weight variances. Anyone with experience would already have experienced quirks with bows,compound or traditional. I used to shoot compound exclusively. Last compound I owned was a Mission Riot. Great shooter. Once I started traditional it presented new challenges and re-energized my passion for archery. There are few things to take into account. Draw weight being the most important. Holding 40 lbs until you’re ready to release the arrow is more challenging than it seems. Just takes some getting used to because the muscle groups get a workout. Most recurves are not center cut and finding that right combination of spine and foc weight to get the arrow to fly straight is the fun part. I tried three under shooting for the longest time. Finally decided it was not for me. Once I switched to split finger it made a world of difference. I admire those that can shoot three under. I think it’s a matter of finding our own way of things and enjoying the journey. I wish you the best on your traditional experience. Please let me know how it goes along the way. Have a great evening. Best regards
Thanks for the quick and clarifying answer! I started split finger but found it more comfortable with 3 under, without a loss in accuracy. Maybe that'll change with recurve ;) I didn't know that multiple brands make Black Hunter. All the videos I saw were about black hunter without a brand, or black hunter from the brand/vendor (no idea which of the 2 it is) "mandarin duck" Also a great evening to you!
As a hunter I'd never consider the Sammick Sage. Bigger and heavier riser, less sleek and more protrusions for brush to get caught on, and slower velocity. The black hunter is super sleek and light weight, shoots great off the shelf, and is honest just a perfect hunting bow.
ive had a theory that the batches of glue the bow makers get have good and bad shipments and effects the end product and you get unlucky with your purchase time
Thank you for the comment. I agree with you there is always the chance of receiving something with flaws due to manufacturing processes. I appreciate the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
That's seems to be the norm for these. They do seem to loosen up after a while but not by much. Never a good thing when expectations aren't met with a purchase. I appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
I own the black hunter 30# recurve limbs and I purchased additional 40 lb longbow limbs. I love this bow. I have many bows and I always gravitate to this one. I know the hammock gets great reviews but that is the clumsiest looking riser ive ever seen
Hi Scott, This is my 1st time watching one of your videos. Great content and evaluation of these 2 bows. I liked 👍 and Subscribed and I will check out your other videos! 😊 I'm new to archery 🏹 and have not yet purchased a 1st bow. You gave a lot of clarification and explanation of what to look for. Thanks! 😊
Awesome, thank you! I am glad my content helped you out. Let me know if you have any questions or need direction along the way. Have a great day. Best regards
Awesome video Scott, Im brand new to sport,I have not used a bow yet Im 54 yrs old and would like to start ,Im right handed,what are you suggestions to me on a bow and what one left or right,I hunt with a rifle and a use my right eye to sight the gun.
R D, I appreciate your time! Great question. Being right-handed I would definitely go with a right-hand bow. Also, consider what draw weight you would like to start with. I would start with a take-down recurve or longbow. The reason for this logic is that you want to start with a lower draw weight and build up to your ideal draw weight. Lower weight will allow you to work on the fundamentals like your form and your anchor. The last thing you want is to struggle to hold too much weight trying to get those consistent. Once you determine what weight you are comfortable with you can move on to whatever brand of bow you are partial to in your preferred draw weight. Which bow to buy. There are a lot of great choices on the market. I am partial to Southwest Archery bows, I own the Ghost and the Spyder XL. both are takedown bows and both are great shooters. The advantage to them is you can start with low draw weight and purchase heavier weight limbs as you progress and get stronger. Again, there are a lot of choices on the market. I am right eye dominant, but actually, shoot with both eyes open. Hard to explain that part of it. It tends to be a more instinctive style of shooting, instead of actually aiming as you would with a rifle. No matter how you end up aiming I would start within 5 to 10 yards of the target to get comfortable with it and then progressively move further back from the target. I hope this helps you. I know you will have a lot of questions along the way. feel free to reach out anytime you need to. I hope you have a great evening my friend! Best regards
I would have to test them to see. Are you saying your draw length is 32 inches? If so I would definitely go with a bow that has an overall longer length. Hopefully I didn't confuse what you were saying. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Yes, my draw length is 32". I've just ordered a Black Sheep Nova, which as far as I'm aware is an updated version of the Samick Sage with longer limbs to make a 64" bow, apparently it's identical to the SWA Spyder XL, which was designed by the same people as the original sage.
all bows perform the relative same.... 96% is about the archer. I have a Sage, it shoots no better, no worse than my $500 semi-custom nor my $1,500 custom. But I shoot my custom mostly. Not because it shoots better, but I love the feel and look. Anyone tell you differently, they are pulling your leg.
If you wanna go into instinctive or traditional archery go for the black hunter. If you are getting your foot into olympic style archery then go for the samick sage as it's a similar form factor and you can attach any olympic-style gadgets you want to it. Samick sage is more like a purpose-built entry level training tool but the black hunter is a true hunting bow that shoots and feels just like any top-tier hunting recurve/longbow.
Agree with you my friend. I bought it as an entry level bow to get started, from there it just fueled the fire to keep going. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day! Best regards
Either one will do well. My Sage has lasted me for years and hasn’t failed me yet. It’s consistent every time I shoot. Also, the way you care for the bow will factor into that as well. Unstring them when you are not shooting. Store them in climate controlled environment if possible. I hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards
Very well possible. Luckily I haven’t had one delam on me yet. Hope I never have that experience. Thank you for your time. Have a great day! Best regards
It's so hard to decide what bow I want for survival purposes. I herd 50lbs or greater then is for hunting so IDK about buying a lower lbs bow. That is the only reason I am hesitant to buy 25 or 30 lbs but I know from everyone that the lower pound bows are funner to use. Am I wrong for wanting my first bow to be 50 lbs since I will probably only ever hunt with it?
Thanks for the question. There is nothing wrong with you wanting a higher poundage bow. I always caution against this for the simple fact that you will need to build the proper foundation to use a higher poundage bow. Your form is going to be key in shooting any bow and trying to use a heavy draw weight does not allow for time to build up the muscle groups needed to draw and hold the weight properly. Have you considered a take down bow? This will allow you to use lower weight limbs for training and swap them to a heavier weight when you are ready. I wish you much success on your archery journey my friend. Keep in touch and let me know how it goes. Have a great day. Best regards.
My Samick sage hits a wall After 28 inches. Just really Adds pull weight fast. I agree That the " blockiness" of the Riser is an issue. Noww........ Get out there and shoot that Samick till it breaks or Self destructs!
I've heard that is an issue for some of these. Mine has normal stacking at my 30 inch draw. What weight are you shooting? I hope mine doesn't do either, LOL. Even with it being a starter bow, I learned a lot shooting it and can't bring myself to part with it. My friend I appreciate your time. I hope you have a great new year. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thanks for Your courteous reply. I'm 72 Started archery at 8 years Old. Still have all my bows Except my first one. Bummer. The Samick is a good choice For new or seasoned archers. Staying within the 28 inch Draw is a good idea . Very Balanced review but it's Obvious you like the Samick. Really nothing to disqualify It as a decent inexpensive Bow. We can all agree that Archery is awesome 👍
Hey Scott, I own a Samick Sage too, and I have seen some videos where people have used a dremel and reshaped the Sage to take away that blocky feel/look, and have made it more rounded at certain spots. I'm thinking about doing it to my Sage, and think you should check it out
Thanks for the suggestion. It really is the only negative that I have for the Sage. Do you think that would take away from the structural integrity of the bow? I will definitely check out modifications to take out the blocky chunky feel of the riser. Thank you for the suggestion! Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I've had a ton of sages,and finally decided to rework the grip to fit me better. Went slow,taking away a little at a time till I got what I wanted. Been almost a year and no issues at all. The key is because your cutting into that dymondwood,is to seal it when you get it where u want it,to prevent expanding and cracking. I used minwax polyurethane,and it's been great,hunted all season in all weather,and target shoot all year and no issues.
@@louisbailey4900 thank you for the insightful comment. I appreciate it that you took the time to add this. I also appreciate the DIY approach. Thank you for your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
Both are good for recreational backyard shooting, both can be used for hunting, but if you want to go into Olympic target shooting, the Sage is your entryway into that
The samick sage is a 62 inch in overall length. You will be fine shooting it. My draw length is 30 inches and I have not experienced any issues with my sage. Thank you for time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
I just got my first Obert Black Hunter Archery Takedown Recurve Bow , I got the 60 lb and I'm very new at using a bow one thing I noticed about the black Hunter there no places to put sight or anything on it so do I use the arrow to use for my sight?
Bobby, you are correct. It's a process to get it right. Basically you are pointing your arrow in the direction you want aim at and release the shot. While you can't look directly down the arrow shaft you will get a sense of instinctive aiming, based on how high or low the tip of the arrow is in relation to your target. Its the same for righy and left. It's kinda hard to explain, but after you start shooting a lot your brain will start making calculations based on what you are seeing in your field of view. From there you make slight adjustments based on where the arrow impacts the target. What's more crucial in the beginning is to work on and make sure your form, a consistent anchor point, and a clean release are good. Practice those three religiously and it will make a world of difference in the long run. If u can help in any way let me know. Have a great day. Best regards.
Liked your videos. I have both a black hunter and a samick sage at 35 # but both of them perform differently with different arrow spines. Could you recommend the best arrow spine for my bows? My draw length is 27 inches.
At 35 pounds you could go with a 600 spined arrow. Maybe even a 500 spine arrow full length. You might have to tune the 500s to get the dynamic spine right by adding weight up front. That's best guess though. I would start with the 600 full length they should give you good performance. What brand you use would be a preference thing and depending on which brand you go with make sure you check their spine chart to see what is suggested for 35 draw weight. I hope you are able to get the right arrows for your setup. I hope that helps some. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Thanks Scott for the quick reply. Ill follow your advise. Ive always liked your other videos, very informative, no nonsense , practical and un biased. Keep up. One topic that has not been covered is the urgency of shifting to the ilf bows. Many have the non-ilf older models and are unsure of shifting.. is it really practical to shift to ilfs?
My friend I think it all comes down to preference. I've looked at ilfs before and have been on the fence with the idea. Honestly I can't justify making the investment. Could be a simple matter of options available for limbs and riser combinations. Thats a big positive. But cost to get quality is going to be an issue for some. I find myself happy with my bow choices and see no need to make a switch to ilf. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
You are one of the rare youtubers who answer every comment.... Appreciated. First vid I see from you and I sub straight away. Greetings from Belgium
Thank you my friend! I really appreciate that. I try to get to everyone as fast as I can. If people invest time in my content, I can invest time in their comments. It’s my pleasure. I hope you have a great day! Thank you again. Best regards.
@@ScottWinters Thank you very much :) All the Best.
As a new archer I was really torn between the black hunter and the sage as a first bow, in the end, the quality control issues of the black hunter sealed the deal, and I bought myself a sage.
Obviously I can’t measure it against a black hunter, but I absolutely love the sage, it’s a great bow for me, I took your advice and resisted the urge to go heavy on draw weight in the name of masculinity, and went in at 30lb, which has really helped me nail down my form.
I can’t thank you enough for the help your videos have given, and continue to give, thank you so much for all the amazing content 👍
That's awesome that you opted to get the fundamentals in order first! The best thing about takedown bows is that you can always increase the weight as you get grow into it. I really enjoy my sage as well, and would be hard pressed to part with it. I also appreciate your feedback about my content. It's comments like yours that keep me going. If I am helping others in some way it makes it worth it! I hope you have a great day my friend. Best regards.
@Scott Winters which you think is more durable?
These cheap samicks has also lots of quality issues. Limbs can be wrong weight than they should be, not even close and the riser is glued badly it can crack.
Thank you for the comment my friend. I think anything mass produced can have issues and some do more than others. So far I have been pleased with my samick. I appreciate your time. Have a great evening
I don't know about the other one I'm not sure about the hunter but the Fleetwood Edge is solid reliable make an old jacket you put on a thousand times
I've had my Sage for probably around 11 years, and still delighted with her. I've taken her hunting, in target tournaments, 3-D, and general flinging. I've never had an issue, the weight is comfortable, the grip is very comfortable, and I have relatively large hands. I make a Flemish twist B55 for the string, and I have about a 29" draw with no noticeable stacking.
Thank you for the input my friend. Not sure why the Sage gets bagged on so much. They are really good shooting bows. I guess people like what they like. I don’t think I will ever part with mine. All around great bow to fling arrows with. Have a great day. Best regards
I haven't shot any archery in 20 years, but really want to take it up again with a traditional setup. This video was really helpful, thanks!
Thank you my friend. I’m glad it was helpful. If you need anything feel free to ask. I will assist as much as possible. Have a great evening. Best regards
This, for whatever reasons is a really good question
Thanks for this. Just got the Sage at 35lbs as my first ever bow and it seems like the right choice.
I still shoot mine to this day. It's been a great bow for me. I know some people bag on it, but all in all it's a guy's shooter. I hope you get a lot of mileage out of yours. Thank you for your time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
It is!!! Replace the string in the near future. Brace height over 7,5 inches and with good arrows you ll have a great bow.
I’ve been lucky with my black hunter recurve and have taken several stalked pigs and a nice muley from 32 yards. It is Light and shoots really well. Fits my hand better than any bow ever had. But I shoot my samick sage better 3D target shooting. Just seems more stable and it seems hide slip ups in form much better and don’t get as much drift on small misfires. Great video
I couldn't decide between a Black Hunter or Samick Sage and your video decided for me. I ordered a Samick Sage @ 35lb today. I had a bad case of analysis paralysis up until your video😒.
It's my first bow at 63 years old lol. Actually it's my second but I'm still awaiting delivery of an SAS folding Recon @ 40lb ( the lowest I could buy ).
I bought the Recon to take on solo motorcycle camping trips into the bush. We're having some problems with packs of wild dogs here in Australia so I got the Recon for some protection ( hopefully😂).
Anyhow, thanks for the great review it was much appreciated👍👍.
Getting through your videos and I’m liking what I see. I’m looking to get into archery and your videos are very likeable to watch and your voice and presents is easy to listen/watch. Keep up the good work
My friend thank you for the kind words. It is really appreciated! I hope you do venture into it. Once you do I quickly becomes very addictive. I am always curious about other people's journey in this sport. Please let me know how you progress. If I can be of any help feel free to contact me. Have a great evening! Best regards.
I would have to agree with Todd. I think the Samick is very loud and it is very chunky, I too recommend the black hunter over the Samick all day long. But thank you for your review and appreciate you, take care brother and God bless. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
Thanks for the comment my friend. I appreciate your viewpoint and your time. Have a great day brother. Best regards
@@ScottWinters We all have are own preferences. I don’t like Brussels sprouts LOL I guess that’s what makes the world go around, thanks again my friend take care and God bless.
I gotta take out my Samick Sage and give it a go after watching this. It really is a great bow that unfortunately gets overlooked in my collection. Great video brother keep up the great work!
Handy, thanks for the comment my friend. I really appreciate your time. I have a soft spot for my Samick, it would be hard to part with it. Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
Very informative.....just ordered a samick sage. Cheers. David from England UK
I use the Samik sage for my survival needs and it's a great idea for preppers on a budget me not being able to own firearms this bow has made a huge difference in my survival needs and skills plus I keep a slingshot and pepper with body armor I got the 60 pound Samik sage and it works great for me I started at 50 with just a cheap 75 dollar Amazon bow to get me started then when I was ready for 60 thats when I bought my Samik sage for my permanent bow amd I'm glad I did
That’s awesome my friend. I’m a bit of a prepper as well. I’m glad to hear the Samick has worked out well for you. I can’t imagine pulling back and holding 60 lbs of draw weight. Mostly because I have never tried one. Brother I wish you well going into the new year. Have a great day. Best regards
This was very well presented. Good work thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience.
Thank you my friend. I really airbus appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
Thank you Scott. Just got a MK11 Black Hunter. I love the grip and feel of the bow.
Awesome my friend. Glad you are enjoying it. Keep me updated on how you like it long term. Thank you for your time. Have a great day! Best regards
The Samick is really loud because of the limb pockets I would recommend the Black Hunter over the Samick any day...
What's more durable?
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Either would be good choices. They hold up equally well. Have a great day. Best regards.
Thanks for the input my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
It's easy to silence the Sage. Put that thin white foam paper that people use for shipping in the pocket before putting limbs on.
Great video!! I have one of each and both are awesome bows!! I'm at a 30 inch draw and never noticed much stacking on either one.
I think some folks that think a bow stacks a lot just aren't ready for that extra weight, but don't want to accept it.
Thanks for another great video!!
Agreed my friend. What I tested didn't produce any stacking other than the normal increase in weight past 28 inches. I think starting with the right draw weight is gets overlooked a good bit of the time, and my be what some consider a stacking issue. I really appreciate you watching and taking the time comment. It is appreciated my friend! Have a great day. Best regards
I was actually worried I wouldn’t be able to own these bows as I am also a 30 inch draw length. I don’t care about the extra weight
You should be good with this bow my friend. Really past 28 inches you are only adding about 2 to 3 pounds extra, but it's really not that noticeable in small increments like that. I appreciate your time and the comment my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I ended up with a PSE Shaman. That’s what my local shop had that I liked. It’s 35 lbs limbs but feels like 50 at first
Great video, been rolling these 2 around in my mind for awhile. I enjoyed archery as a kid and been wanting to revisit that but not sure where to start. Thanks for offering some clarity to the topic.
Thank you for your time my friend. I am glad you found the video helpful. Let me know which one you decide on. I hope you have a great day! Best regards
Black hunter with longbow limbs and a flemish string. So nice. Looks cool and shoots straight
That’s awesome my friend. I favor the longbow version over the recurve. I appreciate your time. Have a great evening. Best regards
Thx Scott, starting out with Archery, will be asking questions soon😬
If I can be of any help to you don’t hesitate to ask. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
I received my blackhunter 3 days ago, and gosh the riser is beautiful.
That is awesome, I am glad you like it. I really appreciate your time! I hope you have a great day. Best regards
Thank you for the vid !
I have not bought a bow yet and haven't even shot a bow for probably 40 years.
But I am serious about getting a recurve and learning traditional shooting with a takedown recurve bow
Thank you my friend. I hope you decide to do so. It’s been an excellent journey for me. Let me know if you do, and let me know if I can help in any way. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
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I've been keen on the Sage since watching Survival Lily's video on the Sage. The tool less takedown and reassembly is a big selling point for me.
And the multiple limb poundages including 25 lb as I would like to get that weight for my wife.
I will probably start with 35 lb
Nice brother well said. I might add a lot of folks are looking for a miracle bow for minimal money when they buy these and I just haven't seen that bow in all my years at traditional , both are good for the cost... but save your money a while longer if you really want that miracle bow. I always enjoy your content man.
Thanks for the comment my friend. Agree with your point about the miracle bow. I think we have to take it for what it is, and understand it's entry level and a starting point. I really appreciate your time! Have a great day brother. Best regards
Great information… I’ve come to the party quite late in life at 53 .. but just started shooting a bow at a casual Sunday shoot a couple of months ago. But in the new year I am looking to take things up a notch and complete a beginners course, join a club and buy a bow .. all very exciting .. so I’m in research phase at the moment trying to learn everything I can good and bad so I can make a good choice. Not sure how available everything will be as I’m in the UK. But thanks for your insights .. I have subscribed so I can check out your other videos. Looking forward to shooting a few arrows
That's awesome friend. Never too late. Let me know when you take the plunge and buy a bow. Id love to hear your progress going forward. Depending on in who you ask, you will get a lot of different answers on what works our does not work. Best advice is to find what works for you and just enjoy it. I really appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thanks Scott I’ll definitely update you when I make decisions. It will just be targets for me and hopefully some 3D targets. As actual hunting is not legal in the UK 🇬🇧 so that will inform my choices. I prefer bare bow at the moment rather than Olympic style .. but I know nothing yet so who knows.
Thanks again
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Martin
You have some very informative videos I myself have a Galaxy sage at 35 lb I love that bowl and I'm looking to get 45 lb limbs for hunting next year just started shooting here recently doing shoulder rehab
Hopefully the rehab goes well for you. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment! I would have a hard time parting with mine, it has been a good one for me. I've thought about changing my limbs out from time to time but I'm comfortable with it at 40. Where I live there are no weight restrictions, but it's always good to be sensible and ethical about it when hunting.
Again I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day, best regards!
Great video. Thank you. I have paused my hunt for a traditional bow to find my draw length. I’m a tall guy so I figure maybe a longer draw. I had a fiberglass recurve bow when I was in middle school. I went through a time when I shot it a lot. I have my own kids now and I want to shoot a traditional bow again and maybe teach them. I have a SAS Maverick in my cart. Thanks for your thoughtful insight on the topic.
My friend it’s great that you are getting back into it. Taller archers tend to have longer draw lengths for sure. I’ve tried to get my boys into the sport. They did for a while but have since found their own passions to pursue. I remember trying to pull my fathers 50 lbs recurve and struggled like crazy, but the arrow released, lol. I’ll remember that always.
If I can be of any help don’t hesitate to ask! I’ll share whatever I can. I’m excited for your new journey! Let me know how the new bow works for you.
I hope you have a great evening. Best regards to you.
@@ScottWinters thank you for the encouragement. My kids got to go behind the scenes at a Las Vegas show featuring archery. They both got to shoot a kid size recurve bow and a compressed air arrow shooter. It was fun for them. My daughter really liked it. My son kind of likes the BB gun. I ordered them a little Kainokai bow set to see how it goes. Meanwhile I will get back into it myself.
That’s awesome my friend. I hope you have a great day. Best regards
Fantastic job. Havent assembled my sage yet. Hopefully today or tomorrow
Thank you for the comment. Hope you get it together and enjoy shooting it my friend. Id love to hear your experience with it! Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
The sage always felt chunky and blocky to me, just love the design of the black hunter and never had any of the mentioned issues with it
That seems to be the norm for the BHR . Some have issues some do not. I'm glad yours did not and that you have had a good run with it. I appreciate you taking the time to comment . Thank you my friend and have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters love your channel, appreciate you taking the time to respond, have a great day
This is exactly what I have found, with one addition: the black hunter longbow vatriant definitely starts its exponential stack at 29-29.5 inches. I have a 30.5 inch draw length, and the recurve version feels just fine, while the longbow feels really tough in the same draw weight. Makes sense though because the recurve can "unwind" and keep slower string angle than the longbow.
That's interesting my friend. I have read A long bow will start stacking sooner depending on how far you have to draw because of the starting string angle. Now I want to check that on both my take down LB and my Galaxy LB. Thansk for the great comment. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Your Ghost should be really good with stacking since is a 64" bow overall. In my experience, I have found the max draw length for a modern mild reflex/delfex longbow without severe stacking is:
29" for 60 inch bow
30" for 62 inch bow
31" for a 64 inch bow
Etc...
Again, this is a general rule, and bow design plays a huge role. An extreme reflex deflex design will stack later, while a straight flat bow will stack sooner. Personally, for my shorter bows I prefer the recurve for the smoother draw for that bow size. Nothing ruins the experience more than hitting that stack. That said, my 68 inch longbow is 65 lb, and draws smoother than my 40 lb 60 inch recurve.... it's just the 65lb draw weight limits how much I can shoot it effectivelt.
My personal recommendation to anyone starting out is:
1. Get the longest bow that you can manage/handle.
2. Get a Traditional or hybrid longbow; they are geberally much more forgiving of mistakes while working on form
3. If you are a hunter, get the lowest legal draw weight you can, you can always upgrade from there and still take the bow out within your first 2 years of shooting.
Brother, thank you for the great information. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write that out. It's posts like this that have so much benefit to everyone. Thank you so much. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Absolutely no problem, we all learn as we go. I have been watching a ton of videos, including a bunch of yours, and adding them on to my own experiences. Everyone has something they can teach us, but on one learns if we dont share our experiences.
Scott totaly agree with your assesment with black hunter limb delamination issue. Light arrows with heavier poundage limbs dont dissipate enough energy . My bow is setup for hunting so I shoot slightly heavier arrow so delamination hasnt been a issue. I ordered 55lb limbs and I have a short draw length 27" so I was expecting to be closer to 50lb draw at my draw length. I dont have a quality draw scale but my scale reads 52ish pounds at my draw length. So for me the black hunter is right at what I expected. Very pleased with it.
Appreciate the comment. I've taken some flack for that stance, but I stick by it. I went with heavier arrows myself, not taking chances. It took a minute , but I warmed up the BH finally so I'll keep.for as long as it works for me. It's always good to hear that others have a good one that suits their needs. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
After putting 1000 -1200 shots through it, the Black Hunter Recurve will settle into about 44.9-46.3lbs @28". that's been my experience anyhow. I originally bought the Black Hunter Long Bow
and bought a set of 45# Recurve Limbs for it as the risers for both are nearly identical other than a slight difference in shape on the mount point for the lower limb of the long bow, which is squared of whereas the Recurve Riser is cut to the same angel as the top right (on the belly side) of the lower Recurve Limb
Also both sets of limbs like heavier arrows, say between 12-14 grains per pound of draw weight. Also you're right about it not being a beginners bow, I would recommend it for an advanced beginner to an intermediate shooter, however it does lend itself well to track and stalk hunting because of how compact it is, so there is that too :)
Edited to correct grammar.
Thank you for the great information! I appreciate the time you took to add this.
Have a great evening. Best regards
@@ScottWinters No worries, I just thought I would throw my 2cents into the mix, and enjoy the rest of your day/evening Whichever the case may be
-Kage S.
This is an excellent video and the information presented by the speaker is definitely helpful to those who are curious about these two bows. In addition, the speaker is very articulate and he presents the information in a clear and concise manner without rambling. So, well done in my opinion!
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it. Have a great day. Best regards
Good review, lot of info here. I got a Black Hunter and returned it due to the quality control on it, it said it would come with a stringer but it didn't so I never got to shoot it. I like how the Samick Sage has fixtures for accessories, gives the bow some extra longevity since you can outfit it to work for your needs. Maybe I'll get that one.
I appreciate your time my friend. The Sage does offer more options to customize to your liking. I have enjoyed mine over the time I have owned it. Let me know what you decide on. I wish you the best of everything on your journey my friend. Let me know if I can help in any way. Have a great evening. Best regards
Love my Sage! Got some 55lb SWA limbs for it, though, because the stock ones aren't that great. They delaminated on me because it wasn't strung correctly (my fault). I notice stacking with my 28" draw, too. I do wish I had a 66" version. It's not bad, though, especially for hunting. It's only kinda annoying after hundreds of shots per day.
The riser is awesome and I plan on getting more to try some mods like slight contouring and putting stain and Tung oil on it. I put a $10 12 oz. x spot weight on it and a limbsaver rubber dampener thingy that fits on, and it's so perfectly balanced, I noticed immediate and dramatic improvements in my arrow groupings. The SWA spyder riser I have is prettier but not as well balanced Also upgraded to fast flight based on it being an overwhelmingly recommended upgrade. Never even shot the stock one. Definitely recommend the Sage. For beginners I suggest 30lb stock limbs and also buying SWA 50-60lb limbs to work up to.
Thanks for the insights on your setup. I really like mine as well. Had it out this past weekend taking some shots with it. I do like the Spyder refinements to the riser. Hopefully it will let a long as my sage. I really appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a great day. Best regards
I purchased a PSE Nighthawk and from watching your video apparently it's a rebranded Sammick Sage because the look identical
I've seen those and thought the looked very similar as well.. it would not surprise me if it were. I think a lot of manufacturers either lift elements or outright copy what's on the market.
How does it shoot for you? I appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a evening. Happy New Year and best regards to you my friend.
I've now watched this vid and the part 1 & 2 on the Black Hunter itself. I feel really good now about the decision I'm going to make regarding a potential purchase. Thanks for all of the information!
Good run down 😊
Thank you my friend I appreciate it. Have a great day. Best regards
That was actually a great, and informative review. I have wondered many times what people like yourself who have both bows thought about them in respect to one another. I may eventually get the Red Lingyun Black Hunter simply because I think it's a really good looking bow, but I am waiting for my new Lwano upgraded bow I ordered on Sept. 18th to come in ... it's 40 lbs at 28" and 62" in length.
And I agree with you that everyone in the youTube Archery community has been a great group of guys just having some fun sharing their experiences!
Thank you brother. I really appreciate your time. When you get the new bow definitely post up a video about it. I like them both but have a soft spot for the Samick. It most definitely is a great community. Have a great evening my friend! Best regards.
great video! thought this was a way bigger channel at first because of the quality. keep it up man
Thank you so much for the kind comment. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to watch and comment. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
Iam thinking which one i bay😅. Both are nice bows. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for your time my friend. Let me know which one you decide on. Have a great evening. Best regards
I bought a sage for bowfishing, good shooter. I did not like the blockiness of the riser so I did some sanding and refinishing.
Agree with you 100% on the blocky feel of the riser. Did your reworking of the riser help? A couple of people have commented they have done some modifications to theirs as well. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
I appreciate how straightforward and approachable you are in this video. My daughter and I are new archers, and I have been shooting the Samick Sage 30#/28 to work on my form, but I want to upgrade to a fast flight string. Do you have any recommendations?
Thank you my friend for your time and the comment. It is appreciated. If you want to upgrade there are so many options to choose from. My recommendation would be the Southwest Archery Spyder or Spyder XL. It’s one of my favorite recurves that I own. You can use a fast flight string with this bow. Shoots good and is easy on the wallet. There is a sizing difference between the two, but the bows are identical in form and function. Just check the descriptions of each to pick the right one for your needs.
Thanks again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards.
Thank you Scott!
Hi Scott! Keep the vids coming, you do a great job. I just wanted to add some info on the Black Hunter topic. I believe the original was the one sold as an Obert Black Hunter. These were made by Junxing. Junxing called them the F171. Junxing also makes a 58" version - F178, SinoArt sells that one. Mandarin Duck and others have marketed the F171 as a Black hunter. All of these have the different limb shape for top and bottom. I purchased the SinoArt version in 60#'s and later got a pair of 40# limbs (unknown marketer-Ebay used) they both have the unique top and bottom limb profiles. Both test out accurately for draw weight. I think the ones with squared off and interchangeable top to bottom limbs are made by someone other than Junxing. I say this because Junxing has none on their website. I could be wrong, but I think most of the QC issues are with bows made by some other Chinese entity. It's kind of hard to say that Black Hunter has QC issues when the name Black Hunter does not refer to one specific company. There could be several different factories making them and using the same name. Unfortunately, there is no real control of intellectual property in China.
Ron, thanks for taking the time to make a great comment, and share some really good info. Agreed there are many different entities selling the "black hunter" . Someone stated in a previous comment that the majority of these offerings may be seconds. Hard to tell with the market being flooded the way it is. I wondered about squared limb ends as well, but didn't ponder over it too much. How do you like the Sino Art version? I think unless you go directly to the manufacturer there is no way to know what you are actually getting. I have read many reviews about these and it always seems there is mention of the draw weight issues. I wonder why that is so prevalent these aftermarket offerings. Maybe I was a bit broad stroked with the QC issues statement, i have said many dumb things in my 50 plus years on this spinning rock, LOL.
My friend I really appreciate your time. Thanks again for the great info. I hope you have a great evening! Best Regards.
@@ScottWinters I've got a couple of decades, saying dumb things, on you. It's unlikely that you will catch up but keep at it! I got the Sino Art BH on ebay (new open box return) for 70 bucks. It uses the same riser as the 60" version, just shorter arms. I would not recommend the shorter version for someone my size (6') unless the poundage is 40 or less. Mine is great with longer 40# limbs I got off Ebay later. It was a real beast with the 60# limbs! I didn't have too much trouble drawing it but stringing it gave me a hernia!
I hope you had a great Christmas! Later...
Ordered a Sage and returned it. Lower limb was loose in pocket and would not properly tighten down. Limb was undersized or pocket oversized.
Thank you for your time my friend. Sorry that your experience was a bad one. Hopefully you found something that works for you. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Lancaster also offers the black hunter offered as the galaxy ember it is more expensive but have had great luck with quality control at our shop
I've seen those and wondered how they perform. Thanks for the info. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Great video man! Thanks for the compassion, I have the sage but have been eyeing the black hunter for a while.
I appreciate your time to make a comment. I know people either like the Sage or dislike it. I have really enjoyed mine. I do like the black hunter as well, but prefer the Sage. Have a great evening. Best regards my friend.
I find with most of the bows I have bought with bamboo core limbs they start off at higher poundages than stated and eventually settle in around the weight ordered, a little over or under I'm guessing it's due to the nature of the material and we expect everything to be exact, my Korean horse bows were the same but took longer to settle to the desired weight, so much so that by the time the limbs reached the ordered weight they felt under powered, something to keep in mind if your ordering bamboo.
Thank you my friend for the information! I am curious to see how much more they will relax over time. I could see how they would feel underpowered if you get used to the higher poundage at the beginning. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment and your insight on the topic. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Great video and useful facts you shared on both bows. Always enjoy and appreciate your content. Take care!
Thank you Shane. I appreciate the feedback. Thank you for your time my friend. Have a great day! Best regards
Thanks boss was good vid Fleetwood Edge in 55 lb and I absolutely love it I used to have a 60 lb version as well and it was absolutely wonderful now I have the one with the hand twist knobs instead of the bolts like your Samick sage and I really like it looking forward to more videos
I like them both they shoot great after you get the brace hieght and nock point right the samick sage offers more options/add on's but mine started to stack after 28.5" so i give the edge to the black hunter and it also can be interchangeable with longbow limbs. Always shoot heavier arrows a minimum of 9 grains per pound. Fast flight bow string not recommended
Thanks for the comment and your time my friend. I don’t think I have experienced any noticeable stacking with my sage. It shoots well and I think the black hunter shoots equally well. My experience with BH is that it felt cramped to me. I’m curious what your draw length is and how the BH feels to you when shooting. I do like the option to add longbow limbs. Definitely offers variety.
Thanks again for the time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
@@ScottWinters i draw 29" even though im a short 5'8" guy
Thank you Scott, this is the exact video I needed to help me decide which of these bows to pick up. Great comparison, hit all the points I was interested in (even the stacking, which no one else on youtube seems to mention). I'm going to be getting the Sage by the way :)
My friend I really appreciate the comment. I'm glad I was able to help you. You'll like the Sage, I've had mine for years with zero complaints. I hope you have great day! Best regards
Learned archery on the sage. Love the bow. Never used the black hunter. Would like to get one though, the Longbow.
Still shoot my Sage, can't get rid of it. I hear the longbow version of the black hunter is a great shooting bow. Let me know if you do get one. I'd love to hear your impressions of it. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
To me stacking is when your bow starts behaving like a fishing cane, only thing is that fishing canes won't break because they are designed to behave like that, they bend a lot at the tip until the breaking force becomes a pulling force. the pulling force transfers to the cane handle which is very very thick so it will not break.
I am looking to get a takedown recurve. I’ve only shot a compound bow maybe 10-15 times in my life so I’m definitely a noob and I truly appreciate your opinion and information on these two. They’re the two I’ve cut my options down to for my first bow. Thanks
Thank you for the comment and your time. I love to hear which one you decide on. I hope you have an amazing journey into traditional archery. If I can be of any assistance don’t hesitate to ask. Have a great day. Best regards
Thanks Scott, I think I’ve settled on the Spyder considering it’s just the next level of the Sage. I’m doing this for my enjoyment but also because I have 3 young boys that are trying to find what they love and so I’m im trying to guide them and allow them to try all sorts of fun activities. I really appreciate your videos, they’re perfect for the beginner archer with all the questions. Everytime I find myself wondering about something I check your channel and boom Theresa great video. Anyways, hope you’re doing well. Thanks again. I’m sure I’ll have questions for ya in the future! ✌🏼
You’ll love the Spyder. I am glad that I had the opportunity to pick one up. Good on you with the boys my friend. That’s sorely lacking in todays times. Expose them to as much as you can and they will blaze their own paths one day.
I appreciate the compliment. Ask any question you have and I will help as much as I can. Have a great evening! Best regards
I’ve always really liked and pondered on Matisyahu’s lyric “I'm the arrow, you're my bow, shoot me forth and I will go” when it comes to fathering children. You can only sculpt the arrow so much before you just have to shoot it and have faith they’ll fly straight. I’m very blessed to have the boys I do. Even if they don’t like archery I’m going to continue to practice. It’s a great skill to have, especially if shit hits the fan and we go back to the Stone Age! Thanks again Scott for your time and content my friend. Enjoy your evening sir!
Very insightful comment. You are on point with that. Enjoy the journey brother! Have a great day. Best regards
Hello from England Scott. I've recently found and subscribed to your channel and love it.
You post really good information and tips on shooting. I loved the one about releasing too quickly. I do that and am working on stopping it and taking a second or two to settle before releasing the arrow.
I liked your reviews of the Black Hunter too. I have the longbow version and although it is not necessarily the best bow in the world I would have to say that it probably the best value for money bow and anyone just starting out could do a hell of a lot worse. I find that it shoots just as well as a couple of more expensive bows that I own.
keep up the good work Scott. Great videos.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and for subscribing. I am glad to hear you are enjoying the content. It is appreciated. I wish I would have purchased the longbow version, but the postive is that I can get the limbs and interchange them. It took me a long time to retrain my brain to pause the shot cycle, once I wrapped my head around the process it made all the difference for me.
Thanks again for taking the time to leave a great comment. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Good summarization Scott. I have a Black Hunter with 50# longbow limbs for tree stand deer hunting. Yes it is very agile from a tree stand and one of the quietest bows I've owned.
I have SWA Spider recurve which I am just getting acquainted with. Some call it a Samick Sage 2. It is 62" and 55#. I suspect the heavier draw weight will smooth out in a longer bow unlike the 60" Black Hunter.
I'd like to hear you speak on draw weights relative to different bow lengths? I don't hear that discussed much on TH-cam.
Thank you watching and taking the time to comment. I've been curious about the Spider biw for sometime now. I've looked into purchasing the xl version but have yet to pull the trigger on getting one. While I like the BH the shorter length and smaller sight window does feel a bit cramped when I shoot it. All shorter risers are prone to this though. I will pit some time into the topic and post something about that. Thanks for the topic idea. I really appreciate your time. Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thank you Scott, your content and presentation is outstanding.
I just watched your arrow weight and spine video. I am tweaking my Black Hunter arrows now. I'm running a 545 grain arrow with 135 gain Zwickey broadheads at 50# draw. They shoot well on level ground, even better from my 18' tree stand. Perhaps another topic as well. Tuning for tree stand hunting?
The negated gravity from a tree stand enhances my bows shootability a lot!
I have two of the samick sage bows and 40 to 60 lbs limbs they were under a hundred bucks at the time the draw weight was on the money I did immediately put the Flemish twist fast flight string on them I found it took a lot of tunning to finally get them to shoot fair. The black hunters change strings padded the limbs where string slap occurred silencers and vertualy silent out classed the sage bows hands down hardly any tunning at all shooting robin hoods at 20 yards not intentional just that tight of group you're dead right about the weight good comparison, I'll be watching 👍
Thank you for sharing your experience with both of these bows. I have had no issues with my sage. I have since donated my black hunter to a friend wanting to try out archery. Overall the bow was not a bad one. it just wasn't for me, I guess. I am glad to hear yours was a winner for you. Thank you again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards
Such a weird start! I haven't started the weekend yet..
I had both and gave the Black Hunter
away. Not a thing wrong with it I just prefer the Samick Sage. I shoot the 55lb limbs because I have a hobbits 26.25 inch draw length. Though a budget bow I had no problem harvesting my Alberta elk (635g arrow) with the Sage. Nice upload. Subscribing was an easy decision.
Can I put Black Hunter limbs on a Sage riser? I know that Black Hunter limbs have small holes to fit the index pin, but the Sage uses pockets, so there is no need for that. As long as the width and the bolt fit, I might make a franken bow out of them.
I’m not sure if you can just based on the ends of the limbs. Would definitely be a great experiment to see if it works. Let me know what you find out. As long as the bolt holes in the limbs line up with the riser bolt pockets it should work. Thank you for the time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
I got the samick to learn and practice. I love it so far!
Thanks for commenting! I still enjoy my Samick. It's been a great bow since I purchased it years ago. I hope you have a great evening. Best regards
I like both of them I have built several bows over the years long risers and short ones both have there place 😊
Thanks for the comment my friend! I want to make my own at some point, but always hesitate in starting the process. Maybe one day. I hope you have agreat evening. Best regards
Thank you sir
The designers from Sammic that designed the sage went to Southwest archery and made the spider has a thinner riser with a much more comfortable handle but it's essentially the same thing
Yes sir. I have the Spyder XL, and love it.
@@ScottWinters oh cool beans
Thank you Scott for great information
Thank you my friend. I really appreciate your time. I hope you have a great evening. Best regards
the weight issue is major. it may mess your form as you struggle. for me it's a deal breaker. I own a samick and i ll say this. the limbs are tanks! slapped them by accident on door twice. the slap was after full draw release and it was hard. they are perfectly fine! many other bows would surely break after this. for the price, it may be the best bow under 200-300 usd. with a couple changes( perfecting the riser, better string in the package etc) they could sell it 300-350 easily.
Absolutely agree with you on the weight. I still enjoy shooting my Sage. Just restrung it and took it out for a spin yesterday. I have put mine through its paces and have not had one single issue in the years that I have owned it. I think they sorta refined it with the release of the Spyder by Soutwest Archery. The same designers that made the Sage are now under SA. I have the Syder XL and it is an excellent shooter as well.
I really appreciate your time and the comment. I hope you have a great day. Best regards.
I own a Black Hunter recurve (and one in longbow form as well) and a Samick Sage. I prefer the black hunters but if you take a sander to the Sage's riser you can round off all those ugly square edges, adjust the ergonomics on the grip and lose some weight and vibration in the process. Having done that to it, the Sage still comes in a close second but it's a lot better now than in it's original form!
Thank you for the comment my friend. Don't know if I trust myself to put a sander on it, lol. I may do more than I intend to. I liked the black hunter, the only real negative was the small sight window, it felt cramped to me st least. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day! Best regards
Thank You for the Info, with the Black Hunter I`ve found that it shoots better using 5.5 Skinny Arrows and Faster >> No Problems
Really likes your videos, no nonsense time-burning opening. Straight to the point with clear and useful explanation.
Your channel deserve much much more subscribers IMHO. Can't wait you hit 100K-ish Subscribers very soon.
Keep it up Sir!
*will be very happy if someone could review Samick Mind 10 Pro recurve bow. Can we consider it as substitute to Samick Sage bow?
I really appreciate your kind words and support my friend! I will have to check out your bow rcomendation. Could be a possible future review if I can put my hands on one. I appreciate the suggestion. Thank you again and have a great day. Best regards
The sage is a smaller bow , so it won't stack as easily as a shorter bow . I often buy mint vintage bows , but I wanted to try a long bow , so I purchased the black hunter long bow 40lb MIne was right on
How do you like the longbow version? I was on the fence between the two. I'm glad yours was to spec. I appreciate you taking the time to.comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
*Black Hunter starts at 20lbs.
Own 2 bows, three sets of limbs 2 longbow(35lbs and 55lbs) 1 recurve (20lbs), no quality issues regarding delams, not setup to test weight.
D97 (from Krammar) string improved the bows comfort and speed over the supplied string.
Biggest complaint about the Black Hunter so far is from my wife, not able to add any thing to the bow, she wants to fish.
Have never used a Sage but would love too!
The Black hunter is not a bad bow, some issues with QC, but after further research I think it's mainly due to so many offerings by different companies that let the issues come in. I have heard a lot of great reviews on the longbow version. Yes you cannot add anything to them, so that is a deal breaker for some. The small sight window was a bit different than anything I have shot before so it always felt cramped to me.
I still love you shoot my sage and have owned it for years with no issues.
I really appreciate your time my friend. Thank you forntaking the time to comment. Have a great evening! Best regards
I have the 40 lb black hunter I absolutely love this little bow it is my first however other than a PSE snake which doesn't count sage is hideous there's a guy at my range that uses one and I feel like it looks like 1973 not like the late '60s for later in the 70s like you want 😂
I noticed this is a couple years old when I found it, I am looking at these two bows , wonder if the quality issues with the black hunter have been resolved? I like the look of it better .
I know this is a bit of an older video, but just came across it.
Thanks for the detailed info!! I am currently a compound shooter, and am looking to maybe pick up recurve too. I watched quite some videos about Black Hunter, and yours only confirms it more: it is a pretty good bow for a good price. Definitely want to buy that one.
But, you said it's probably not best for beginners. Did you mean "beginners to archery in general" or "beginners to recurve archery specifically"?
And a last question (if you ever shot compound bows too, otherwise ignore this...) are there, besides the letoff that compound has, other things that I have to take into account? I shoot currently with fingers (3 under), does that give me an advantage to using recurve? Or would I basically have to learn from scratch, because the differences are so big?
Thank you for the comment and questions. The Black Hunter is a good bow. There are so many vendors offering this bow the QC can be hit or miss. I was speaking specifically to new archers due to the draw weight variances. Anyone with experience would already have experienced quirks with bows,compound or traditional.
I used to shoot compound exclusively. Last compound I owned was a Mission Riot. Great shooter. Once I started traditional it presented new challenges and re-energized my passion for archery. There are few things to take into account. Draw weight being the most important. Holding 40 lbs until you’re ready to release the arrow is more challenging than it seems. Just takes some getting used to because the muscle groups get a workout.
Most recurves are not center cut and finding that right combination of spine and foc weight to get the arrow to fly straight is the fun part.
I tried three under shooting for the longest time. Finally decided it was not for me. Once I switched to split finger it made a world of difference. I admire those that can shoot three under. I think it’s a matter of finding our own way of things and enjoying the journey.
I wish you the best on your traditional experience. Please let me know how it goes along the way.
Have a great evening. Best regards
Thanks for the quick and clarifying answer! I started split finger but found it more comfortable with 3 under, without a loss in accuracy.
Maybe that'll change with recurve ;)
I didn't know that multiple brands make Black Hunter. All the videos I saw were about black hunter without a brand, or black hunter from the brand/vendor (no idea which of the 2 it is)
"mandarin duck"
Also a great evening to you!
Felt in the limb pockets make a big difference on sound my sammick is very quiet
Thank you for the comment. I recently added to mine as well. Mine is still going strong. Have a great evening. Best regards
Thanks you… so sincere…👍
Thank you my friend. Have a great day
Hello my brother, great vid!
Thank you my friend. I appreciate the comment and your time. Have a great evening. Best regards.
As a hunter I'd never consider the Sammick Sage. Bigger and heavier riser, less sleek and more protrusions for brush to get caught on, and slower velocity. The black hunter is super sleek and light weight, shoots great off the shelf, and is honest just a perfect hunting bow.
Thank you for your time and the comment. I appreciate it. Have a great day. Best regards
ive had a theory that the batches of glue the bow makers get have good and bad shipments and effects the end product and you get unlucky with your purchase time
Thank you for the comment. I agree with you there is always the chance of receiving something with flaws due to manufacturing processes. I appreciate the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
I love my black hunter. Love to all from villa rica Ga
ordered black hunter 40 pounds. when received felt more like 50. really upsetting. couldnt even shoot it.not my first recurve
That's seems to be the norm for these. They do seem to loosen up after a while but not by much. Never a good thing when expectations aren't met with a purchase. I appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
I own the black hunter 30# recurve limbs and I purchased additional 40 lb longbow limbs. I love this bow. I have many bows and I always gravitate to this one. I know the hammock gets great reviews but that is the clumsiest looking riser ive ever seen
I just got a PSE Nighthawk which I hear is a relabled Samick Sage.
Hi Scott, This is my 1st time watching one of your videos. Great content and evaluation of these 2 bows. I liked 👍 and Subscribed and I will check out your other videos! 😊 I'm new to archery 🏹 and have not yet purchased a 1st bow. You gave a lot of clarification and explanation of what to look for. Thanks! 😊
Awesome, thank you! I am glad my content helped you out. Let me know if you have any questions or need direction along the way. Have a great day. Best regards
Awesome video Scott, Im brand new to sport,I have not used a bow yet Im 54 yrs old and would like to start ,Im right handed,what are you suggestions to me on a bow and what one left or right,I hunt with a rifle and a use my right eye to sight the gun.
R D, I appreciate your time! Great question. Being right-handed I would definitely go with a right-hand bow. Also, consider what draw weight you would like to start with. I would start with a take-down recurve or longbow. The reason for this logic is that you want to start with a lower draw weight and build up to your ideal draw weight. Lower weight will allow you to work on the fundamentals like your form and your anchor. The last thing you want is to struggle to hold too much weight trying to get those consistent. Once you determine what weight you are comfortable with you can move on to whatever brand of bow you are partial to in your preferred draw weight.
Which bow to buy. There are a lot of great choices on the market. I am partial to Southwest Archery bows, I own the Ghost and the Spyder XL. both are takedown bows and both are great shooters. The advantage to them is you can start with low draw weight and purchase heavier weight limbs as you progress and get stronger. Again, there are a lot of choices on the market.
I am right eye dominant, but actually, shoot with both eyes open. Hard to explain that part of it. It tends to be a more instinctive style of shooting, instead of actually aiming as you would with a rifle.
No matter how you end up aiming I would start within 5 to 10 yards of the target to get comfortable with it and then progressively move further back from the target.
I hope this helps you. I know you will have a lot of questions along the way. feel free to reach out anytime you need to. I hope you have a great evening my friend! Best regards
I'd love to see how these bows stack beyond 30". I'm keen to get one just to see what they are like, but with a 32" draw length I'm reluctant.
I would have to test them to see. Are you saying your draw length is 32 inches? If so I would definitely go with a bow that has an overall longer length. Hopefully I didn't confuse what you were saying. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Yes, my draw length is 32". I've just ordered a Black Sheep Nova, which as far as I'm aware is an updated version of the Samick Sage with longer limbs to make a 64" bow, apparently it's identical to the SWA Spyder XL, which was designed by the same people as the original sage.
all bows perform the relative same.... 96% is about the archer.
I have a Sage, it shoots no better, no worse than my $500 semi-custom nor my $1,500 custom.
But I shoot my custom mostly. Not because it shoots better, but I love the feel and look. Anyone tell you differently, they are pulling your leg.
Agreed 100%. Thanks for the comment and your time. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
If you wanna go into instinctive or traditional archery go for the black hunter. If you are getting your foot into olympic style archery then go for the samick sage as it's a similar form factor and you can attach any olympic-style gadgets you want to it.
Samick sage is more like a purpose-built entry level training tool but the black hunter is a true hunting bow that shoots and feels just like any top-tier hunting recurve/longbow.
Agree with you my friend. I bought it as an entry level bow to get started, from there it just fueled the fire to keep going. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day! Best regards
Which is m ore durable? I want one that's going to last
Either one will do well. My Sage has lasted me for years and hasn’t failed me yet. It’s consistent every time I shoot. Also, the way you care for the bow will factor into that as well. Unstring them when you are not shooting. Store them in climate controlled environment if possible. I hope that helps. Have a great day. Best regards
Good review. Thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks you my friend. I appreciate the comment. Have a great evening. Best regards
I suspect the delaminations I have seen in reviews are from people buying their first bow and storing it improperly (string on, near an air vent, etc)
Very well possible. Luckily I haven’t had one delam on me yet. Hope I never have that experience. Thank you for your time. Have a great day! Best regards
It's so hard to decide what bow I want for survival purposes. I herd 50lbs or greater then is for hunting so IDK about buying a lower lbs bow. That is the only reason I am hesitant to buy 25 or 30 lbs but I know from everyone that the lower pound bows are funner to use. Am I wrong for wanting my first bow to be 50 lbs since I will probably only ever hunt with it?
Thanks for the question. There is nothing wrong with you wanting a higher poundage bow. I always caution against this for the simple fact that you will need to build the proper foundation to use a higher poundage bow. Your form is going to be key in shooting any bow and trying to use a heavy draw weight does not allow for time to build up the muscle groups needed to draw and hold the weight properly.
Have you considered a take down bow? This will allow you to use lower weight limbs for training and swap them to a heavier weight when you are ready.
I wish you much success on your archery journey my friend. Keep in touch and let me know how it goes. Have a great day. Best regards.
Yea takedown bow don't let me waste your time tho i might not buy one. Was just curious.@@ScottWinters
My Samick sage hits a wall
After 28 inches. Just really
Adds pull weight fast. I agree
That the " blockiness" of the
Riser is an issue. Noww........
Get out there and shoot that
Samick till it breaks or
Self destructs!
I've heard that is an issue for some of these. Mine has normal stacking at my 30 inch draw. What weight are you shooting? I hope mine doesn't do either, LOL. Even with it being a starter bow, I learned a lot shooting it and can't bring myself to part with it. My friend I appreciate your time. I hope you have a great new year. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Thanks for
Your courteous reply. I'm 72
Started archery at 8 years
Old. Still have all my bows
Except my first one. Bummer.
The Samick is a good choice
For new or seasoned archers.
Staying within the 28 inch
Draw is a good idea . Very
Balanced review but it's
Obvious you like the Samick.
Really nothing to disqualify
It as a decent inexpensive
Bow. We can all agree that
Archery is awesome 👍
Hey Scott, I own a Samick Sage too, and I have seen some videos where people have used a dremel and reshaped the Sage to take away that blocky feel/look, and have made it more rounded at certain spots. I'm thinking about doing it to my Sage, and think you should check it out
Thanks for the suggestion. It really is the only negative that I have for the Sage. Do you think that would take away from the structural integrity of the bow? I will definitely check out modifications to take out the blocky chunky feel of the riser. Thank you for the suggestion! Have a great evening my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I've had a ton of sages,and finally decided to rework the grip to fit me better.
Went slow,taking away a little at a time till I got what I wanted. Been almost a year and no issues at all. The key is because your cutting into that dymondwood,is to seal it when you get it where u want it,to prevent expanding and cracking. I used minwax polyurethane,and it's been great,hunted all season in all weather,and target shoot all year and no issues.
@@louisbailey4900 thank you for the insightful comment. I appreciate it that you took the time to add this. I also appreciate the DIY approach. Thank you for your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards.
Both are good for recreational backyard shooting, both can be used for hunting, but if you want to go into Olympic target shooting, the Sage is your entryway into that
OMG, my draw lenght is 30.5 e i have a samick sage. Can I broke that? Thanks. Hugs from Brazil.
The samick sage is a 62 inch in overall length. You will be fine shooting it. My draw length is 30 inches and I have not experienced any issues with my sage. Thank you for time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
Raiser should cover 25-60# , how you thing to be thinner ?!
I just got my first Obert Black Hunter Archery Takedown Recurve Bow , I got the 60 lb and I'm very new at using a bow one thing I noticed about the black Hunter there no places to put sight or anything on it so do I use the arrow to use for my sight?
Bobby, you are correct. It's a process to get it right. Basically you are pointing your arrow in the direction you want aim at and release the shot. While you can't look directly down the arrow shaft you will get a sense of instinctive aiming, based on how high or low the tip of the arrow is in relation to your target. Its the same for righy and left. It's kinda hard to explain, but after you start shooting a lot your brain will start making calculations based on what you are seeing in your field of view. From there you make slight adjustments based on where the arrow impacts the target. What's more crucial in the beginning is to work on and make sure your form, a consistent anchor point, and a clean release are good. Practice those three religiously and it will make a world of difference in the long run. If u can help in any way let me know. Have a great day. Best regards.
Thanks bud!
I need one with a thin handle
Thank you for the comment. I appreciate your time. Have a great day. Best regards
Liked your videos. I have both a black hunter and a samick sage at 35 # but both of them perform differently with different arrow spines. Could you recommend the best arrow spine for my bows? My draw length is 27 inches.
At 35 pounds you could go with a 600 spined arrow. Maybe even a 500 spine arrow full length. You might have to tune the 500s to get the dynamic spine right by adding weight up front. That's best guess though. I would start with the 600 full length they should give you good performance. What brand you use would be a preference thing and depending on which brand you go with make sure you check their spine chart to see what is suggested for 35 draw weight. I hope you are able to get the right arrows for your setup. I hope that helps some. Have a great day my friend. Best regards
Thanks Scott for the quick reply. Ill follow your advise. Ive always liked your other videos, very informative, no nonsense , practical and un biased. Keep up. One topic that has not been covered is the urgency of shifting to the ilf bows. Many have the non-ilf older models and are unsure of shifting.. is it really practical to shift to ilfs?
My friend I think it all comes down to preference. I've looked at ilfs before and have been on the fence with the idea. Honestly I can't justify making the investment. Could be a simple matter of options available for limbs and riser combinations. Thats a big positive. But cost to get quality is going to be an issue for some. I find myself happy with my bow choices and see no need to make a switch to ilf. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
The Samick does stack real bad It is a really hard bow to shoot if you have a draw over 28 inches