Jeff you are so right with draw weight for a trad bow . Years ago I used to shoot 80lb compounds, so I figured 65lb trad bow would work, as you could imagine, ended up way too heavy to shoot with any pleasure. Since then I’ve collected more trad bows than I care to admit, looking for that magic one, but all have a 53-54lb draw weight at 27”. Another thing most new trad archers don’t realize is their draw length can shrink close to 2” from a release to shooting with fingers. The best thing for guys to do is try to actually draw or shoot different bows to see which grip they like the best. That’s why the metal riser ilf bows, seem to be the best choice, you can adjust draw weight, tiller style, grip angle, center shot, put on different limbs, and usually can use a variation on differently spined arrows. Thanks for all you share here, it really helps the new guys! Bob
i first shot a bow when i was 6 years old , never shot anything other than one piece recurve , i am now 62 years old , and have learnt more in the last few years listening to Jeff my Archery has come on so much thank you Jeff you are manor from Heaven
Great video! Great channel!! I’ve worked full time in an archery shop for 16 years and have dabbled back and forth with traditional archery. Love seeing people with the knowledge and who are willing to share!!! Thanks Jeff, much appreciate your videos 👍🏻👍🏻
Great course Professor Jeff, if you didn't learn anything today, then you must of been snoozing. Great presentation and examples. Have a great day Jeff 😁
Great video, Jeff! I wish I had seen a video like this before when I started shooting many moons ago. I'm 6'4", 29.5 in draw, and have pretty much always shot a 58" bow. Now I'm shooting 30# bows instead of 40#+ and at 62' / 68" depending on the bow. Probably one of my favorite shooters is my Sage, which is now a 62" thanks to a limb swap. Easier to shoot and my accuracy has improved with the changes to my bows.
Absolutely my brother! If you decide to go with any of these I’ve got individual videos on most all of them and like the Sanlida bows there’s a promo link in the video description that you can get one in about four days and 3Rivers runs about the same 👍🏻
Thanks for everything Jeff! When measuring tiller on a one piece bow, you said that you have “a mark” on the limb. Are you measuring down from each limb tip equally? Do you like to stay a certain distance away from the riser flare? Thanks for your time!
I order a #45 lb Sanlida royal x8 60” recurve and a #50 lb Sanlida royal x8 68” longbow. I shoot the recurve lights out. It’s phenomenal for me. It’s a loud compared to the longbow (I’m shooting 3 under so I guess it’s the tillar) However, I can’t hit with the longbow. Tend to slap my left lower forearm with it 75% of the time.
Also shooting the gold tip warriors 3555/500 “30 150 grain broadhead 55 grain insert 445 total grains 20% foc. I hope that’s heavy enough arrow setup. It flies great out of both bows.
One of your best videos Jeff! I was just reading about the Oberon longbow. I enjoyed your discussion instinctive shoot-ability. I'm always wondering which bow naturally points where I look the best of all bows out there. I killed my first ever deer with a recurve Sunday using a 50# Bear Kodiak Magnum. I shot at two deer actually because the first deer was a complete miss. I couldn't believe my eyes. The second deer was a killing shot. So this made me think I need to start using a 60" or longer bow because I suffer badly from buck fever. Like you say short bows require perfect form and sometimes that can be tough in a hunting situation.
I have one of the Sanlida royal X8’s and it’s 5/8’s positive tiller and I’ve settled on 3 under with a one inch fixed crawl. I tried shooting split finger and can’t get it to hit the target🥲. Got it shooting pretty good but know it’s not optimal. I’m shooting 530gr arrows with 250gr up front. It shoots 300gr up front good too. Just know it’s not optimal.
cant wait for those hermits to be back in stock! i will definitely be getting a multitude of bow...long bow, one piece recurves, ilf's, the works haha. id like to have one of all of them in the traditional category and ill even be getting a sanlida dragon x8 compound for 200 just to have one. the only thing better than having one bow you absolutely love is having 4 or 5 bows you love haha. happy shooting gents and God bless ya
Hello Sir, I would like to know your opinion on a snap-shot bow for the extra heavy bowfishing arrows. I bowfish with the Bear Montana longbow, but I find it a bit too long to shoot from my kayak. Do you have any insight on a better grip style, kind of bow, etc... that is best for spur-of the -moment shots that is required for heavy bowfishing arrows? I guess what i am asking is a flatter grip more suited to a faster set-release loose than a molded grip?
I own the royal x8, and the only thing i dont like about the bow is the grip. I have big hands, and it likes to torque. it's too narrow for my liking. I'm thinking im going to go ILF, so i have the option to swap grips and adjust tiller. I shoot my royal x8 3 under, and I've got it dead quiet, but it took some effort to get it there.
Great video Jeff. I have a few questions about shooting 3 under. 1. Is it hard/damaging on the bow? 2. Would an elevated rest help the tiller problems a little bit? 3. What if you swapped the top and bottom limbs to change the tiller? Would this help at all? Thanks so much for your help and videos ❤
Well first no shooting 3 under doesn’t hurt the bow at all, yes an elevated rest will help if the bow is really positive and depending on the bow like some black hunters you can certainly try a limb swap but that’s a rare case, I’d just go elevated rest and slightly heavier arrows and it should be good assuming you’re wanting to shoot a very positive tiller bow 3 under.
I’m 6’4 with a 31-32” draw (1” difference depending on method of measurement). I guessed I probably need a longbow. I bought the 68” sanlida royal x8 one piece longbow at 50# my compound bow is 70#. From your recommendations, did I make the correct choice?
Jeff you need to come out with your own line of bows, hats, and shirts. Dude, we have become better and more informed because of what you’re doing. Just imagine a cap with a bow and instinctive archery logo.
@@llamawizard great question my brother! Okay the best way is to measure from the string grooves up the limbs with the bow laying flat 17” then mark it and measure from those points to the center of the string! 💯 accurate!
I bought the Sanlida longbow and I boxed it up a shipped it back without ever shooting an arrow through it. I assumed that at 68”, it would be smooth as butter no matter how far I drew it back, but this thing seemed to hit a wall even before it got to 28, and I didn’t even want to draw it to my 29.5. I wasn’t worried it would break, it just wasn’t the smooth long draw I wanted.
I’m coming from compound and wanting to get a trad bow. I’m 5’6” with a 26” draw. Hoping to shoot 3 under at 3D and eventually hunt. Can you give me your recommendation on starting weight and bow you would recommend?
Quick question: How are some people having point on at 30-40yds and I'm barely hitting 20. Just curious. My setup is Omega longbow #50, draw length 27.5, arrow length 28, 400 spine, total arrow weight 550. Thanks
I’m unfortunately not a lot of help in the Gap shooting department but when I did do it for a little while I was running nearly a full length arrow to tighten up my gaps, when I shot a shorter arrow it was tough but honestly yours should be around 30 yards with that setup.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Good morning, Maybe I'm short drawing without knowing. I should probably record myself and see if that is the issue. 20 yards is perfect for whitetail. I was just curious. I'm thinking short drawing my bow could be the issue. Thanks for responding quickly.
This very question right here is the reason I always suggest to people ILF because with ILF you do not have to make cemented decision. You can always get ILF super long limbs in convert your riser into a bow
Jeff for the 3 finger under, if pressure is on the index finger (and maybe middle finger), would that offset the positive tiller moreso with the higher nock set at longer draw?
My technique is to buy all of the bows because they are cool and I like the and you can't stop me its my money I can do what I want leaveme alone! .... I think I have a problem
@@charlesdudley5800 I have a bow from the cannibals of Papua new Guinea and half a dozen arrows for killing men. Weaved chicken bowns into the shaft to cause infection.
Can you help me? I’m shooting at hoyt satori, 26 inch draw at 45 pounds. No matter where my nock point is I get a nock height bareshaft. Tried 500 spine full lenght , 400 spine several different tip weights. Tiller is even, I shoot 3 under
Hey jeff im brand new to the traditional game and my question is would 340 spine arrows be to heavy of a spine for a 30 in draw and 56 lbs at that length? Thanks in advance!
I have a long draw and shot terrible with it until watching some of jeff videos. The sanlida longbow then became very accurate and fun for Me. I just started on their recurve and has been phenomenal as well
@@timbo749 yes sir the Eagle X9 is a great option for sure, I’m running one of their factory D97 strings that’s actually sold for the Royal X8 recurve and it fits perfectly on the Eagle X9 which comes with a junky Dacron endless loop string so if you order one from the website they have those strings available and you will want one!
I absolutely love my Nyx after a complete rework of the grip, it was just too big for me but definitely a shooter however a Grizzly is a great bow as well for the price and honestly the Sanlida Royal X8 is a better performer factory than any of them and it’s $130!
Jeff, after watching your videos i feel like i might be shooting too light of an arrow. 500 spine, like 276 grains or something like that. Should i goto a 400 spine arrow? I have a bunch of trad bows and im not going to custom make arrows for each bow. Thoughts?
Well depending on the length of the arrow and draw weight of course you can really add a good bit of point weight to a 500 spine and get the total weight up which you definitely will benefit from and your bow will appreciate it too! I’ve got several 500’s with 275- 300 grains on front and they fly amazing out of 45+ pound bows 👍🏻
Not really, I actually run a 5/8” above center on all mine no matter how they’re tillered and can shoot them either way without any ramping off the shelf but it’s also based on draw length, the longer the draw, the higher it may need to be and every bow tunes slightly different but with a slightly heavier arrow and the right string any bow can get quiet shooting either way, I’ve tried string walking and it really makes a noisy shot lol
Jeff - I know this has nothing to do with this video, but you need to address what's happening with Sanlida Archery. Both 'Nusensei' and 'Jake Kaminski' on TH-cam, have just put out videos regarding their terrible and predatory business model. It was so bad for Jake that he has asked everybody to boycott their company. I know this is not your fault Jeff and you are very genuine and creditable. However, because you have loudly and happily endorsed their company and products, I am concerned that this does now not look good for your image. You really need to make a comment on your take on all of this and hopefully disendorse them as well. I personally was trying to track down one of their bows from Australia, so I could get one, but now I certainly will not be.
I have so much to learn! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching and remember to just have fun!
Jeff you are so right with draw weight for a trad bow . Years ago I used to shoot 80lb compounds, so I figured 65lb trad bow would work, as you could imagine, ended up way too heavy to shoot with any pleasure. Since then I’ve collected more trad bows than I care to admit, looking for that magic one, but all have a 53-54lb draw weight at 27”. Another thing most new trad archers don’t realize is their draw length can shrink close to 2” from a release to shooting with fingers. The best thing for guys to do is try to actually draw or shoot different bows to see which grip they like the best. That’s why the metal riser ilf bows, seem to be the best choice, you can adjust draw weight, tiller style, grip angle, center shot, put on different limbs, and usually can use a variation on differently spined arrows. Thanks for all you share here, it really helps the new guys! Bob
Thanks brother you’re exactly right!
Owen Jeffries worked with Fred bear.Started Jeffries Archery. Named his bow the Royal hunter. Hall of Famer. Designed bows for Sanlida.
Ok Jeff, outstanding info on long bows. You gave me enough insight on where to start. God bless you, and keep'em flying. 🙏
i first shot a bow when i was 6 years old , never shot anything other than one piece recurve , i am now 62 years old , and have learnt more in the last few years listening to Jeff my Archery has come on so much thank you Jeff you are manor from Heaven
Great video! Great channel!! I’ve worked full time in an archery shop for 16 years and have dabbled back and forth with traditional archery. Love seeing people with the knowledge and who are willing to share!!! Thanks Jeff, much appreciate your videos 👍🏻👍🏻
Great course Professor Jeff, if you didn't learn anything today, then you must of been snoozing. Great presentation and examples. Have a great day Jeff 😁
Great video, Jeff! I wish I had seen a video like this before when I started shooting many moons ago. I'm 6'4", 29.5 in draw, and have pretty much always shot a 58" bow. Now I'm shooting 30# bows instead of 40#+ and at 62' / 68" depending on the bow. Probably one of my favorite shooters is my Sage, which is now a 62" thanks to a limb swap. Easier to shoot and my accuracy has improved with the changes to my bows.
29,5 whith a 58” god damn . How it never exploded😳😁
This was very interesting and informative. Good Stuff! I'm in the market for a new bow and this was very helpful.
Absolutely my brother! If you decide to go with any of these I’ve got individual videos on most all of them and like the Sanlida bows there’s a promo link in the video description that you can get one in about four days and 3Rivers runs about the same 👍🏻
Now this, was an absolutely excellent video!!
Thanks!
Thanks Jeff,I been looking at the obreon for the last year think it may be my next bow!!
Great explanation of tiller and how it differs for split finger and 3 under. Thanks Jeff
Thanks for everything Jeff!
When measuring tiller on a one piece bow, you said that you have “a mark” on the limb. Are you measuring down from each limb tip equally? Do you like to stay a certain distance away from the riser flare?
Thanks for your time!
I order a #45 lb Sanlida royal x8 60” recurve and a #50 lb Sanlida royal x8 68” longbow.
I shoot the recurve lights out. It’s phenomenal for me. It’s a loud compared to the longbow (I’m shooting 3 under so I guess it’s the tillar) However, I can’t hit with the longbow. Tend to slap my left lower forearm with it 75% of the time.
Also shooting the gold tip warriors 3555/500 “30 150 grain broadhead 55 grain insert 445 total grains 20% foc. I hope that’s heavy enough arrow setup. It flies great out of both bows.
One of your best videos Jeff! I was just reading about the Oberon longbow. I enjoyed your discussion instinctive shoot-ability. I'm always wondering which bow naturally points where I look the best of all bows out there. I killed my first ever deer with a recurve Sunday using a 50# Bear Kodiak Magnum. I shot at two deer actually because the first deer was a complete miss. I couldn't believe my eyes. The second deer was a killing shot. So this made me think I need to start using a 60" or longer bow because I suffer badly from buck fever. Like you say short bows require perfect form and sometimes that can be tough in a hunting situation.
I really enjoyed this video Jeff. Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks! I know it was fairly long but I wanted to be as thorough as possible and really enjoyed bringing it to you guys!
I have one of the Sanlida royal X8’s and it’s 5/8’s positive tiller and I’ve settled on 3 under with a one inch fixed crawl. I tried shooting split finger and can’t get it to hit the target🥲. Got it shooting pretty good but know it’s not optimal. I’m shooting 530gr arrows with 250gr up front. It shoots 300gr up front good too. Just know it’s not optimal.
cant wait for those hermits to be back in stock! i will definitely be getting a multitude of bow...long bow, one piece recurves, ilf's, the works haha. id like to have one of all of them in the traditional category and ill even be getting a sanlida dragon x8 compound for 200 just to have one. the only thing better than having one bow you absolutely love is having 4 or 5 bows you love haha. happy shooting gents and God bless ya
Hello Sir, I would like to know your opinion on a snap-shot bow for the extra heavy bowfishing arrows. I bowfish with the Bear Montana longbow, but I find it a bit too long to shoot from my kayak. Do you have any insight on a better grip style, kind of bow, etc... that is best for spur-of the -moment shots that is required for heavy bowfishing arrows? I guess what i am asking is a flatter grip more suited to a faster set-release loose than a molded grip?
I own the royal x8, and the only thing i dont like about the bow is the grip. I have big hands, and it likes to torque. it's too narrow for my liking. I'm thinking im going to go ILF, so i have the option to swap grips and adjust tiller. I shoot my royal x8 3 under, and I've got it dead quiet, but it took some effort to get it there.
50# Bear Montana Longbow. AMO 64". 28" draw. What arrow do you recommend for hunting? Thank you. Awesome channel.
Jeff, great video! Do you know if Sanlida is going to make any of their trad models in left hand?
I doubt it honestly but all of the 3Rivers bows like the ones I’ve been shooting plus a couple of new ones are available either way.
Thanks for a awesome video Jeff
Thanks brother!
Great video Jeff. I have a few questions about shooting 3 under.
1. Is it hard/damaging on the bow?
2. Would an elevated rest help the tiller problems a little bit?
3. What if you swapped the top and bottom limbs to change the tiller? Would this help at all?
Thanks so much for your help and videos ❤
Well first no shooting 3 under doesn’t hurt the bow at all, yes an elevated rest will help if the bow is really positive and depending on the bow like some black hunters you can certainly try a limb swap but that’s a rare case, I’d just go elevated rest and slightly heavier arrows and it should be good assuming you’re wanting to shoot a very positive tiller bow 3 under.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank you man ❤
Jeff,
For 3 under should your nocking point be higher or lower verses split finger nock location? Great video!
Hope you can help me.
Thanks
Leon
Always about 1/8” or so higher than split but some of it depends on the draw length but usually yes 👍🏻
Thank you for the video. Good Intel.
I’m 6’4 with a 31-32” draw (1” difference depending on method of measurement). I guessed I probably need a longbow. I bought the 68” sanlida royal x8 one piece longbow at 50# my compound bow is 70#. From your recommendations, did I make the correct choice?
Jeff you need to come out with your own line of bows, hats, and shirts. Dude, we have become better and more informed because of what you’re doing.
Just imagine a cap with a bow and instinctive archery logo.
How do you check the tiller? How do you know where to measure?
@@llamawizard great question my brother! Okay the best way is to measure from the string grooves up the limbs with the bow laying flat 17” then mark it and measure from those points to the center of the string! 💯 accurate!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
Thanks!
I bought the Sanlida longbow and I boxed it up a shipped it back without ever shooting an arrow through it.
I assumed that at 68”, it would be smooth as butter no matter how far I drew it back, but this thing seemed to hit a wall even before it got to 28, and I didn’t even want to draw it to my 29.5. I wasn’t worried it would break, it just wasn’t the smooth long draw I wanted.
Did you adjust brace height?
I’m coming from compound and wanting to get a trad bow. I’m 5’6” with a 26” draw. Hoping to shoot 3 under at 3D and eventually hunt. Can you give me your recommendation on starting weight and bow you would recommend?
Quick question: How are some people having point on at 30-40yds and I'm barely hitting 20. Just curious. My setup is Omega longbow #50, draw length 27.5, arrow length 28, 400 spine, total arrow weight 550. Thanks
I’m unfortunately not a lot of help in the Gap shooting department but when I did do it for a little while I was running nearly a full length arrow to tighten up my gaps, when I shot a shorter arrow it was tough but honestly yours should be around 30 yards with that setup.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Good morning,
Maybe I'm short drawing without knowing. I should probably record myself and see if that is the issue. 20 yards is perfect for whitetail. I was just curious. I'm thinking short drawing my bow could be the issue. Thanks for responding quickly.
This very question right here is the reason I always suggest to people ILF because with ILF you do not have to make cemented decision. You can always get ILF super long limbs in convert your riser into a bow
Jeff for the 3 finger under, if pressure is on the index finger (and maybe middle finger), would that offset the positive tiller moreso with the higher nock set at longer draw?
@@worldtraveler8372 probably so.
What about a reflex deflex long bow? Good for hunting? I saw a video where it shot 178fps at 50lb draw and 28” dl w/ 500 grain arrow. Thks!
My technique is to buy all of the bows because they are cool and I like the and you can't stop me its my money I can do what I want leaveme alone!
.... I think I have a problem
It’s because we are bow whores
ME TOO
Hahahahahahahaha!!
I'm up to 21 bows. 3 compound, 18 traditional.
@@charlesdudley5800 I have a bow from the cannibals of Papua new Guinea and half a dozen arrows for killing men. Weaved chicken bowns into the shaft to cause infection.
Can you help me? I’m shooting at hoyt satori, 26 inch draw at 45 pounds. No matter where my nock point is I get a nock height bareshaft. Tried 500 spine full lenght , 400 spine several different tip weights. Tiller is even, I shoot 3 under
those 3carbon nyx bows are nice. i like the look of those oberons though haha. beautiful bows
Hey jeff im brand new to the traditional game and my question is would 340 spine arrows be to heavy of a spine for a 30 in draw and 56 lbs at that length? Thanks in advance!
Jeff which ILF bow were you shooting in this video? Thanks, Ron
I have a 32” draw and I HATE IT!
I just want all the bows but they’re not suitable😢
You can still get a cheap 19-21” Ilf riser and put on long limbs for a 64-66” bow
I have a long draw and shot terrible with it until watching some of jeff videos. The sanlida longbow then became very accurate and fun for Me. I just started on their recurve and has been phenomenal as well
Great video.Very informative.
@@justinmurray4652 Thanks so much I really appreciate that!
hey Jeff, I"m looking for a 58" budget long bow, can you recommend one? Sanlida and Top archery seem to only have recurves
@@timbo749 yes sir the Eagle X9 is a great option for sure, I’m running one of their factory D97 strings that’s actually sold for the Royal X8 recurve and it fits perfectly on the Eagle X9 which comes with a junky Dacron endless loop string so if you order one from the website they have those strings available and you will want one!
I have a Mesa 60” hybrid longbow I like
Yes sir they’re great!
13:03 woah, I thought the volume went down on YT, couldn't hear a thing. Just wow.
Where did you find the extra limbs for the Sanlidha x10?
How would you compare the NYX to the Bear Grizzly bow for hunting
I absolutely love my Nyx after a complete rework of the grip, it was just too big for me but definitely a shooter however a Grizzly is a great bow as well for the price and honestly the Sanlida Royal X8 is a better performer factory than any of them and it’s $130!
Jeff, after watching your videos i feel like i might be shooting too light of an arrow. 500 spine, like 276 grains or something like that. Should i goto a 400 spine arrow? I have a bunch of trad bows and im not going to custom make arrows for each bow. Thoughts?
Well depending on the length of the arrow and draw weight of course you can really add a good bit of point weight to a 500 spine and get the total weight up which you definitely will benefit from and your bow will appreciate it too! I’ve got several 500’s with 275- 300 grains on front and they fly amazing out of 45+ pound bows 👍🏻
In general… do you think a bow that’s tillered dead even will have a little lower nock point than something tillered 1/8 or so positive???
Not really, I actually run a 5/8” above center on all mine no matter how they’re tillered and can shoot them either way without any ramping off the shelf but it’s also based on draw length, the longer the draw, the higher it may need to be and every bow tunes slightly different but with a slightly heavier arrow and the right string any bow can get quiet shooting either way, I’ve tried string walking and it really makes a noisy shot lol
Would you say it’s safe to buy the hermit recurve off of Amazon???
Why the hack dont we get all this deluxe gear in Europe 😔😔😣
Jeff - I know this has nothing to do with this video, but you need to address what's happening with Sanlida Archery. Both 'Nusensei' and 'Jake Kaminski' on TH-cam, have just put out videos regarding their terrible and predatory business model. It was so bad for Jake that he has asked everybody to boycott their company. I know this is not your fault Jeff and you are very genuine and creditable. However, because you have loudly and happily endorsed their company and products, I am concerned that this does now not look good for your image. You really need to make a comment on your take on all of this and hopefully disendorse them as well. I personally was trying to track down one of their bows from Australia, so I could get one, but now I certainly will not be.
I’m going to for sure!
Just realized that I have $5000 in bows that don’t fit me… 🥺😔
Short bow more useful and practice.