@@Algoraxx Oh. I see. At least my boy Saitama at least reached Universal level because I watched that one video where even Krillin can defeat Saitama that mad eme devastated 😭
Best scaler on youtube not even glazing ether i never wouldve guessed you had a small platform other youtubers dont go that amount of depth into scaling not even on terra 3 they usually put him at high outerveral to 4 layers into boundless
@@Rayvally it doesn't even makes sense. The creator of "terra 3" OPM didn't even name it Terra 3, he just made his version of a strong Saitama and the fans called it Terra 3 and concluded it was stronger than Terra 2
I literally tried to tell people Terra 3 folds Xeno Goku Edit: I'm not saying anything about CANON Saitama vs CANON Goku. I'm simply comparing the two most popular NON-CANON versions of the two characters, terra series Saitama vs Xeno Goku, so stop complaining and saying dumb crap like "you need to use non canon Saitama just to beat Goku." Literally shows you aren't even a dragon ball fan if you still think Xeno Goku is a canon character 💀 Also, in no way am I saying Xeno Goku is "weak", he just pales in comparison to T3 Saitama.
@@KarmanaraXeno Goku in base form folds a villain who was about to go to the real world a nd destroy it (the real life world a.k.a our world) Infact Terra 3 is a weak overrated fodder that is even more weaker than the fodder Terra 2 and original saitama😂 bro is a multi galaxy fodder. Even a handicapped saibaman is enough to beat those terra fodders
0:30: Unleashing unimaginable power, Terra 3 Saitama overwhelms with a supernova-level punch against his opponent. 2:01: Unveiling the Multiverse: Saitama's battle with Garou reveals a complex universe structure and the power of TuneForce. 4:00: Saitama's unmatched power is revealed as he effortlessly defeats Garou despite the latter's attempts to create a new reality.
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits Don't forget that Saitama can grow limitlessly in strength. I just looked him up and people say he is the strongest anime character ever.
@@Non-PlayableCharacterr yea but growing limitless requires time to grow. Against yogiri, it doesn’t matter if you can erase a destroy multiverses at will, or if you have author level plot manipulation. He just kills anyone who attacks him without fail.
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits that yogiri is only a fodder outerverse with durability and hax in outerverse level and in other stats he is literally a fodder and saitama literally beyond logic and all concept the concept of the end is literally useless
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits yea terra 3 saitama would straight up said "no" to all yogiri's hax and nothing'll happened :p. i mean terra 3 is basically "my char had infinity+1 power" kid if he made a manga, what'd you expect?
Meh saitama in the manga made the opm cosmology to complex multiversal because of that time travel feat but terra 3 saitama literally is not bounded by anything in short hes just an entity that will never be deleted just like some apps in your phone
saitama was always beyond tiering system because he has infinite strength which means whatever he did before he can do even better unimaginably and mind blowingly and to top it off he can never be stopped because he is LIMITLESS
@@MEDLER_77 NLF is a logical fallacy definition of it cause why not: VSBW: This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated). Microsoft edge: The no limits fallacy is a logical error that assumes that something has no limits or boundaries because they have not been shown or stated. Google: No Limits Fallacy (NLF) This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated). an example being that krillin > any version of saitama because krillin is the strongest human or X can only be damaged by a certain mineral/weapon and since Y doesn't have access to them, automatically X wins despite being vastly weaker than Y in every way
@@TheShadow5021just because there are multiple definition of it doesn’t mean it is a logical fallacy, a fallacy is only applicable when there's an error in reasoning
@@MEDLER_77 NLF is a logical fallacy and the definitions i've shown basically say the same thing and the comment we're in is implying that saitama was always beyond tiering because he has infinite strength and is limitless is a error in reasoning because he's implying that because saitama has limitless potential and infinite strength = beyond tiering, hence it's NLF
Thank you sir. Moreover, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU SO UNDERRATED??!!? This was top notch video, even if we leave the details u told, the music, audio and video are something that even people with millions of subscribers in this industry can't create. You deserve better man. May god bless u ❤
lots of the scenes with a good editing quality are from a brazilian nerd core music channel. u can see it in the first few seconds the letters of the lyrics appearing
@@skibidip123 No he doesn't. And either way terra 3 still slams whether you're throwing these trash scalings around or not. Terra 3 is above tiering itself. (The cosmology) Xeno goku with the best high wanked scales scales at High-outer, barely reaching boundless if at all. (Again this is him wanked maximum) You calling xeno goku infinite layers into boundless is too much.(Decrease the d-riding a little bit)
yo this was sick asf. This landed a sub :). and just out of curiosity, can you make a video on the scp universe? There a lot of powerful characters that could use a breakdown lmao
@@Glenroy. True, but they aren't trying to downplay the character in strength. Rather character. They bring up "OC fallacy" because lets say the original charatcer isn't capable of beating one character want him to beat. In this instance that can be Saitama vs Goku. Then *someone* makes a story around the character than mainly focuses on ridiculous power and then say that the character (mostly they don' specify, but) easily beats the other (original) character. This gets people pissed and tried to scold others that they have to make up events for the character to be far stronger than original. And considering that anyone can just make or write something to make the character ridiculously powerful, then i get how it's abit annoying when dealing with the (more deranged side of the) fandom. This Saitama is strong and all, but it just seems to me to only have the purpose of the creator of the manga to just make Saitama and perhap garou the strongest. Even using powerscaling terms and dimensionality, concepts etc. That makes it abit wierd, but overall it's well made. But pitting him aganst someone and say "Saitama one punches!" is kinda silly, and i'd agree to be OC fallacy.
i love the video and how everything is so well put together such as the music, info and the images! it also reminds me of the youtuber who made a video about terra 2 saitama
@@Cosmic_1nfinity well you cant say that shit if you are using fanmade version fanmade version can scale up to defferents level i can do xeno goku infinite layers into boundless so pls shut up
Pretty good explanation W Btw atom of t3 vnu sets are 2-3 layers into boundless Neuman multiverses - irrelevant layers into boundless which makes Saitama universe - beyond tiering So garou and Saitama both are beyond tiering 😂!
Terra 3 Saitama is actually Outerversal, not High Outerversal. The cardinal scans aren't properly justified canonically. I use author statements for his scaling, since it's kinda weird.
But is true, Sayan don’t have limits. Goku in SSG is able to destroy the universe in the battle of Beerus, and in the daizenshu 7 is stated that the universe is infinite. The universe 7 is a macrocosm with 3 infinite universe (Living World, Heaven, Thé world of demons). After That Goku unlock The SS Blue And that transformation is 50 Times stronger that The SSG.
@@Monkey-i8y then the same applies to goku fans whenever goku loses to a character which is canon they would just say some shit like"DrIp GoKu EnTerS THE ChaT" or xeno goku or cc goku which are non canon spreading no hate just saying goku fans are also like this(not all) and iam a goku fan too
well i havent seen that once and even on youtube there are just random people who go likes saitama destroys goku and then when you try to fight with them they change the topic instead of saitama its now terra 2 saitama and stuff like that
Another person can just make someone even stronger since they're all gonna be fan made, If we took fan made characters and put them against canon characters, That's just stupid
Debunking Terra 3. So a lot of people (and I mean a lot) have been saying that this version of cosmic garou is somehow, someway beyond the tiering system (which is false, and I’ll later prove why). But the thing is, most of what Garou said was hyperbole. This can be shown when he was talking about becoming one with the universe (that’s literally just universal). And von Neumann’s universe does have a hierarchical set, but it doesn’t relate here with the fan-made manga. Garou didn’t even go over the complexities of the von Neumann universe at all. Pretty much what he said was that the universe is beyond infinity and that von Neumann’s universe is a “universal” universe. Which is again, just universal. You could argue that it’s high universal (because Garou said that it surpasses mortal cognition), but for the sake of keeping the debunk concise and consistent, we’re just going to say it’s universal (because that’s simply what Garou said). The next thing I think I should debunk is Garou saying he erased all concepts of time and space. Now erasing concepts is conceptual erasure (pretty sure everyone knows that), but that doesn’t necessarily make Garou Outerversal or whatever, it Just means that he is capable Of erasing concepts and Its value . And this should be pretty Simple and obvious to understand. The only way to know that Garou is indeed Outerversal , is by confirming with the canon and the Author himself (and the manga never explicitly stated that Garou is Above the concept of Time or space) . I’m now going to go over Garou’s attacks and his destruction capacity. So it’s made clear to the reader that he has dimensional attacks, as shown in his fight against Saitama numerous times . Like when he did the “dimensional blow”, which compresses everything into a 0-dimensional void. Which is insane, but that’d just mean he has dimensional interactive powers and such , not that he’s freaking Outer or something. He can also divide the universe into endless lines, each with its own number in a hierarchical pattern, but really he’s just manipulating the universe, which is, again, just universal. The universe then starts unraveling, showing its true size and identity, as endless lines reveal the fabric of the universe . Which, like I said (probably) is insane… but to be honest, it doesn’t reach anywhere near what people hype that feat up to be. As he’s simply compressing everything into a 0 dimensional void. The next thing I want to cover is Garou’s ability to change a being’s entire setting or concept. This just means that he can change a person’s entire setting, which doesn’t really scale anywhere (it’s just another hax that can be overpowered by higher dimensionality). Garou also stated that “the concept of mankind will cease to exist”, which implies that he has conceptual erasure or high level destruction, which is very commendable and respectable. However, this doesn’t even get him past mankind level, since he was just going to erase the idea of man. Anyone who isn’t of man wouldn’t be affected. This implies the fact that his conceptual erasure is pretty limited , he can’t use it to its full extent , and even if he could it’d only work when he used the full power of the universe . So this Means that he Can’t really use it consistently, and it isn’t something he can regularly do. Moving forth , I’m going to talking about the “timeline strike” ability. So the timeline strike ability, like its name suggests, is an ability in which the user is able to combine timelines and stack them continuously. This doesn’t prove, or even necessitate any logical Truth that Garou transcends these timelines. Because just Manipulating timelines isn’t going to cut it . If you really think about it, That’s just time Manipulation, which is just a hax that doesn’t affect his attack potency or some other Kind of way. You have to Prove that Garou is superior to these timelines Directly from a reputable Source and a credible one at that. Then Garou proceeds to put up some vague and mysterious looking portal that Saitama causally Breaks through , which is humorous and figurative at best, because there is no confirming evidence that Proves any dimensionality within that portal . It’s vague at best, and there needs to be surrounding evidence that Proves or supports the space getting past 3-dimensional. The spatial cut technique is also 3-dimensional. As there is no further context or information that gets it past that at all. It is, again, a vague ability without any confirmation that it gets past even 3-dimensional. Saitama then proceeds to play with Garou by taking out his speaker box, and then rewriting Garou’s speech. Which scales nowhere, because it’s Non physical interaction . And i truly think that the author made this fan-made manga for shits and giggles & Power shenanigans and whatnot. Which means that it can be classified as an oc fallacy (possibly) , because there’s surrounding Evidence supporting such. There is really no reason to go in-depth about V-logic and ZFC like that . Especially when Saitama interacted with something no one should be able to interact with. And that’s the debunk! If you have any contentions , then point out why some of my arguments were wrong according to you, and we can discuss why . But despite all of that, I hope you learned something from my debunk of T3 Garou. Peace. Edit : Regarding the scan where there was A bunch of cardinals and Von Neumann’s universe model. The inaccessible Cardinal being there doesn’t mean that Garou’s high outer . It’s pretty obvious that the Author’s intent was to make Saitama and Garou as Op as possible, and that falls under o.c fallacy. That’s because there was a lot of hyperbole and Op shit for literally no reason whatsoever . For example, Garou stating that he erased all concepts of time and space, even though their attacks were still physical . There shouldn’t be any Physical attack being made in a place with No concept of time and space. That’s simply illogical and it doesn’t add up to any consistency. ------------------------ See Calix's argumentation below. The ordinal placements does not correlate with the abstract placement of the cardinals since they exists on the same plane so this would just render it mathematically useless in nature because it's a stable plane providing a power of 0 so it scales nowhere. "THE VON NEUMANN UNIVERSE, V.X WHEN INPUT AL THEN VINPUT PCV AD CPOWER SET, IF INPUT IS A LIMIT ORDINAL, THEN VINPUTUK< CVK, WHEREK CAN ITERATE THROUGH ALL ORDINALS. IT H PROPER CLASS, AN ONGOING PROCESS OF TAKING POWER GETS. WHERE IS THE EMPTY SET, A GET WITH NO ELEMENTS. THE SUBSETS O ARE AND VI OF THE EMPTY SET POWER SE POWER SET OF VI 10, 108 THE POWER SET OF V.2, 10, 01, 10, COIL AND SO ON THE NEUMANN UNIVERSE IF VO HAS A CARDINALITY OF O WHICH IS AN EMPTY SET, THEN CARDINALITY OF VI, THE POWER SET OF 0, 16 2:01. THE CARDINALITY OF V22V2, V3'S CARDINALITY 2V 24V 4'S CARDINALITY2V 3 16 VSS CARDINALITY 65536, AND SO FORTH" This statement above basically implies ordinals = cardinals which is mathematically incorrect and is false equivalence. Ordinals are negative while cardinals are positives. And you cant say -1=1 simply because they don't exists on the mathematical same plane. Henceforth, the terra 3 depiction of the Von Neumann universe is mathematically false, and fails to scale anywhere logically. "THE VASTNESS OF THE UNIVERSE SURPASSES OUR COGNITION. THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF "INFINITY" ALSO STRUGGLES TO DESCRIBE ITS GRANDEUR. EVEN MODELS LIKE THE "VON NEUMANN UNIVERSE" CAN ONLY COVER A SMALL FRACTION OF IT." "Grandeur":~ quality of great beauty and size which attracts admiration. "The von Neumann universe supposedly "encompasses" things like aleph numbers and inaccessible cardinals" This gets paradoxical by the fact that those are mathematical, thus leading them to exist as abstract notions, the Von Neumann Universe is a physical structure here, this is a contradiction because an object cannot encompass something that has an higher existence then it, in simpler words, two completely opposite structures (physical object and abstract/mathematical aspect) cannot exist on the same plane so they can't be scaled as a singularity. Henceforth, Garou T3 would scale towards his verse which by being made consistent is Multiversal+
I myself believe that yes, this version of Saitama beats goku. Most goku fanboys will probably spam like "oh but Goku bla bla bla and goku better goku better" i mean like the only reason they really say goku beats saitama and cosmic garou is because the anime and series is better than one punch man, and has been up for much longer than one punch man but i believe is opm had been up for as long as db, db fans (not all) would probably mind to watch this and ask themselves could goku survive that ball of infinite universes or ehatever its called garou made
Meatrider he was talking about this terra 3 version also kami and official divines scale for cc and xeno put them also at inf boundless so it would be a tie
@@Cosmic_1nfinity blud that too overkill even a atom from terra 3 contain infinite V von neuman universe and V von neuman universe contain infinite von neuman universe and von neuman universe contain infinite neuman universe even a single neuman universe is bigger than scp and wod cosmology combine and dragon ball verse is fodder multiverse and goku is fodder galaxy level ☠
That would be a mess. The current state is much bettter and leaves room for stronger characters to appear, Garou shouldn't be the strongest threat, hes just a rebel teenager.
One (stylized in all caps) or Tomohiro is the pseudonym of a Japanese manga artist, who is best known for his web manga series One-Punch Man, which was later remade into a digital manga illustrated by Yusuke Murata.
you know what's crazy? if fan versions are fair game, then so are any official versions of the character, and since he fused with the audience in that one weird 4d japanese event or whatever it was, Goku is, in fact, still stronger.
technically, i counted how many times saitama was infinitely past infinite, and he is somehow around roughly equal to goku in terms of cosmology before i start, just saying, i know this sounds stupid, but both of them are infinitely infinite layers past infinite, but apparently every time you infinitely get past the previous infinity ,thats only +1 dimensional tier up cos v wiki rules are stupid. infinitely past (7d) an infinite higher universe (garou's new universe, 6d) of infinite timelines/universes (garou's infinite timeline/universe thingy he made, 5d) of infinite dimensions of infinite (garou's explanation of true infinity implies this is the average opm universe, 3 to 4d) saitama is 6 to 7d while goku is roughly 6 to 9d his scaling is being infinitely beyond (9d) a world (beats world, 8d) infinitely beyond a multiverse (dbh multiverse excluding beats world, 7d) of infinite timelines (all of dbh history, 6d) of infinite universes (the dbh universes, 5d) of infinite dimensions of infinity (mysterious man’s dimension, 3 to 4d) but even if saitama scaled higher, goku would win cos of his hax like key sword and super shenron mode that works on higher dimensional beings, but surprisingly they scale similarly yeah, vs wiki rules are so fucking stupid, counting how many times they are infinitely infinite lol, but overall, tl:dr is the scaling for both is stupid and xeno goku likely wins
*Finally someone explains Terror 3 Correctly. Good job bro 👏🏼👍🏼.* *And for those who still think Goku can beat saitama in terror3, then just imagine that He litteraly was fine when garou send him to 0 dimension and break though it and punched him.*
Yeah, being able to stop things like the writer's ability to change their settings does put Saitama above Goku. Hell it puts him above all fiction really.
@@ahmedjoycesneakattacksquad5003 Do you know that a casual terra 3 Saitama saw the Inaccessible Cardinal line(High Outer-Boundless) as a 1D line and is above the concept of Absolute Infinity? 💀💀💀
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This video was crazy requested, enjoy :)
Can u do capsule corpse goku vs terra 2 or terra 3 saitama
This was crazy❤
@@-IAPxyea...
Can you try sometime with louder music to see if it's better...
Thanks so for 😢 I am so glad it's here respect ❤️
The quality, the info, the music, everything is just top notch! Great job man!
Thank you!!
Damn. Canon Saitama is Multi Galaxy, Terra 2 is Complex Multiversal, and now this version is Boundless 😭
bro sadly cannon saitama is now universal with the empty void scalings
@@Algoraxx Oh. I see. At least my boy Saitama at least reached Universal level because I watched that one video where even Krillin can defeat Saitama that mad eme devastated 😭
@@TheEraser312Terra 3 completely shatters the tiering system,even Absolute Infinity can't cover a single universe in terra 3 💀💀💀
@@TheEraser312 krillin gaps comp saitama
@@Algoraxx Nope, he doesn't reach universal at all 🤦♂️
Best scaler on youtube not even glazing ether i never wouldve guessed you had a small platform other youtubers dont go that amount of depth into scaling not even on terra 3 they usually put him at high outerveral to 4 layers into boundless
You tripping💀😭
@@Strivfer nah I’m deadass idk bout the scaling on the real saitama tho. Think he said he was like 2D
Official divine and Kazi are better but this guy is third
@@DXNNIS_XDITS facts official divine is number 1💯
@@Random33390 their are alot more people who go into more depth when scaling
Finally the strongest version getting explained 🗿🗿🗿
Bro don’t jinx it, like I swear if there’s finna be a terra 4 then it’s going to be ridiculous
@@Rayvally yeah bro dead ass💀💀💀
@@Rayvally it doesn't even makes sense. The creator of "terra 3" OPM didn't even name it Terra 3, he just made his version of a strong Saitama and the fans called it Terra 3 and concluded it was stronger than Terra 2
@@higorss"author" is a big word for OC fallacy trash pile creator, all to get Saitama above galaxy+.
@@bennogb5069It's a creator meaning a author
I literally tried to tell people Terra 3 folds Xeno Goku
Edit: I'm not saying anything about CANON Saitama vs CANON Goku. I'm simply comparing the two most popular NON-CANON versions of the two characters, terra series Saitama vs Xeno Goku, so stop complaining and saying dumb crap like "you need to use non canon Saitama just to beat Goku." Literally shows you aren't even a dragon ball fan if you still think Xeno Goku is a canon character 💀
Also, in no way am I saying Xeno Goku is "weak", he just pales in comparison to T3 Saitama.
Cap lol
@@Sunflower-xd6lbnah
@@Sunflower-xd6lb Name one feat that puts him above Terra 3 💀
@@KarmanaraXeno Goku in base form folds a villain who was about to go to the real world a nd destroy it (the real life world a.k.a our world)
Infact Terra 3 is a weak overrated fodder that is even more weaker than the fodder Terra 2 and original saitama😂 bro is a multi galaxy fodder. Even a handicapped saibaman is enough to beat those terra fodders
@@lastfirst4836people still use this to defend xeno goku feats is crazy
"Mom can we have Official Divine at home?"
"We have Official Divine at home"
The Official Divine at home:
It's still pretty good so what's your point?
You didn't even say it correctly lol.
hes legit better at scaling
@@trashscript1479 he did bro 💀💀💀💀
@@MakeSafeTheCity nah he didnt the actual line is "Mom can we have {the word}?"
0:30: Unleashing unimaginable power, Terra 3 Saitama overwhelms with a supernova-level punch against his opponent.
2:01: Unveiling the Multiverse: Saitama's battle with Garou reveals a complex universe structure and the power of TuneForce.
4:00: Saitama's unmatched power is revealed as he effortlessly defeats Garou despite the latter's attempts to create a new reality.
u got a new sub man the audio, edit, scaling everything is fire🔥🔥🔥
The most logical vid you have ever made
It isn't because plot manipulation is way more common so yeah Terra 3 saitama isn't boundless
@@infinity_shadow wth tf u mean
@@MEDLER_77
He mean he is a goku fanboy
This version of Saitama can basically defeat any anime character meaning he is unbeatable!
He can’t beat yogiri
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits Don't forget that Saitama can grow limitlessly in strength. I just looked him up and people say he is the strongest anime character ever.
@@Non-PlayableCharacterr yea but growing limitless requires time to grow. Against yogiri, it doesn’t matter if you can erase a destroy multiverses at will, or if you have author level plot manipulation. He just kills anyone who attacks him without fail.
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits that yogiri is only a fodder outerverse with durability and hax in outerverse level and in other stats he is literally a fodder and saitama literally beyond logic and all concept the concept of the end is literally useless
@@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits yea terra 3 saitama would straight up said "no" to all yogiri's hax and nothing'll happened :p.
i mean terra 3 is basically "my char had infinity+1 power" kid if he made a manga, what'd you expect?
How do you only have 827 subscribers???? This is an awesome video. I would expect something like this from a guy with at least 500k subs.
Appreciate you
This guy deserves way better
@@Algoraxxyes you deserve better i already subscribed you❤❤
the only thing that cant be put to a scale is how underrated this channel is , having less than 2k subs is criminal and the true villain here
Haha thanks man
@@Algoraxxyes sadly that's true 😢😢
@@Algoraxx i already subscribed to you keep it up bro i am sure you are small now but i am sure you will make it big someday❤❤
Mad respect man. I literally paused the video to subscribe first. You have legit stuff over here
thank you!!
this is very entertaining, keep up the good work!
This saitama is levels and levels over boundless... Or in other words, Absolute INFINITY.
Having infinet strength gives you only high uni feat
@@Марина-р4п4пthe f*** you mean?
Absolute infinity is still a concept... He scales far past that transcending it's concept
Meh saitama in the manga made the opm cosmology to complex multiversal because of that time travel feat but terra 3 saitama literally is not bounded by anything in short hes just an entity that will never be deleted just like some apps in your phone
@@Марина-р4п4пArbitrary rule.
Your the goat for this🤙🤙
saitama was always beyond tiering system because he has infinite strength which means whatever he did before he can do even better unimaginably and mind blowingly and to top it off he can never be stopped because he is LIMITLESS
oh boy, what you just said for saitama would just scale him to high universal and is NLF
@@TheShadow5021NLF is not a logical fallacy
@@MEDLER_77 NLF is a logical fallacy
definition of it cause why not:
VSBW: This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).
Microsoft edge: The no limits fallacy is a logical error that assumes that something has no limits or boundaries because they have not been shown or stated.
Google: No Limits Fallacy (NLF) This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).
an example being that krillin > any version of saitama because krillin is the strongest human or X can only be damaged by a certain mineral/weapon and since Y doesn't have access to them, automatically X wins despite being vastly weaker than Y in every way
@@TheShadow5021just because there are multiple definition of it doesn’t mean it is a logical fallacy, a fallacy is only applicable when there's an error in reasoning
@@MEDLER_77 NLF is a logical fallacy and the definitions i've shown basically say the same thing and the comment we're in is implying that saitama was always beyond tiering because he has infinite strength and is limitless is a error in reasoning because he's implying that because saitama has limitless potential and infinite strength = beyond tiering, hence it's NLF
Thank you sir. Moreover, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU SO UNDERRATED??!!? This was top notch video, even if we leave the details u told, the music, audio and video are something that even people with millions of subscribers in this industry can't create. You deserve better man. May god bless u ❤
Thank you so much
Insane vid lol You should def cover more series with crazy cosmology
I will dw
i honestly hope u get the recognition u deserve bro, even if ur inspiration is official divine, ur videos still slap so hard
Now we need the TRUE best matchup...
Algoraxx vs Official Divine
Haha, he's the master but take my word. The student always beats the master in the long run
I think you should make a separate long form video on that Von Neumann model part of the cosmology. Anyways, Good video.
With just one Punch you oblitered me.
This wasn't a even, battle you winned, before it even started...
You ar-e jus-t too Strong...
Sai-tama...
-Boros
Bro u are criminally underrated.❤❤❤❤❤
Appreciate you
fire vid this deserves more fame
BRO how do you not have more that 10k subs!? Your editing is amazing! you have my sub. 🔥
lots of the scenes with a good editing quality are from a brazilian nerd core music channel. u can see it in the first few seconds the letters of the lyrics appearing
probably most of the video was him getting scenes from other edits too
@@Chadpybara ah, i see. Still i respect the voiceover and the general explanation tho
this is so good that i thought you had at least a million subs (i hope you get there)
I Appreciate Your Work.
Official divine who? This guy deserves the credit for detailed explanation and describing every feats, you're better than divine lil bro
Appreciate that man, I'll do your blast request for sure.
Finally an answer to this Saitama vs Goku debate
You are gonna get cooked if you use terra 3 as an argument against logical people
Terra 3 is a fanmanga, y’all are so desperate.
@@TheCloudDistrict Obviously.
@@QuarksDiller I was replying to the original commenter.
A fan made version of saitam vs goku?
Never thought you could actually make a fan-manga of an overpowered Saitama, but here we have it.
wdym this is the manga?
This version of Saitama shitblitzes the entire Scp Verse
Now we wait for this to be canon.
My prediction on when it will become canon: 2027
It will never become canon
How do you know?@@Chillout18-s9h
@@Chillout18-s9h you having a girlfriend doesnt even have a chance of becoming canon
@@computritori 😂...
Bro I just can't imagine how much time this took 10/10 video and super underrated. BTW I subbed
thank you so much
Scale Webcomic Saitama next
Boros solos saitama in webcomic
Masterpiece of a video, absolutely exquisite cooking you've done. Keep cooking, chef.
Btw, how about you make a video on some SCP scaling?
even after watching this video, goku meat monsters still have the audacity to say goku solos LOOOL
Goku still solos
then you must be a saitama meat monster 💀💀
Cc/xeno stomps cuz he can scale from boundless to inf boundless from official divine
@@skibidip123 No he doesn't. And either way terra 3 still slams whether you're throwing these trash scalings around or not. Terra 3 is above tiering itself. (The cosmology) Xeno goku with the best high wanked scales scales at High-outer, barely reaching boundless if at all. (Again this is him wanked maximum) You calling xeno goku infinite layers into boundless is too much.(Decrease the d-riding a little bit)
@@io913Base Krillin > original foddertama > fodder 3 > and fodder 2🥱🥱
yo this was sick asf. This landed a sub :).
and just out of curiosity, can you make a video on the scp universe? There a lot of powerful characters that could use a breakdown lmao
@@IamRetiredNowGuys I'll see what I can do for you.
@@Algoraxx 😁
Just imagine if there will be a terra 4 💀
There is but it's made for powerscaling so it's an OC fallacy
@@BrandonLeonard-v6fno there isn't a terra 4 yet
@@BrandonLeonard-v6fHell is you talking about 😂
@@BrandonLeonard-v6fthere's no such thing as oc fallacy it's just an made up fallacy to downplay a character
@@Glenroy. True, but they aren't trying to downplay the character in strength. Rather character.
They bring up "OC fallacy" because lets say the original charatcer isn't capable of beating one character want him to beat. In this instance that can be Saitama vs Goku. Then *someone* makes a story around the character than mainly focuses on ridiculous power and then say that the character (mostly they don' specify, but) easily beats the other (original) character. This gets people pissed and tried to scold others that they have to make up events for the character to be far stronger than original. And considering that anyone can just make or write something to make the character ridiculously powerful, then i get how it's abit annoying when dealing with the (more deranged side of the) fandom.
This Saitama is strong and all, but it just seems to me to only have the purpose of the creator of the manga to just make Saitama and perhap garou the strongest. Even using powerscaling terms and dimensionality, concepts etc. That makes it abit wierd, but overall it's well made. But pitting him aganst someone and say "Saitama one punches!" is kinda silly, and i'd agree to be OC fallacy.
i love the video and how everything is so well put together such as the music, info and the images! it also reminds me of the youtuber who made a video about terra 2 saitama
Thank you so much!!
Xeno game goku vs terra 3 saitama would be pretty hard to decide the winner, but we know drip goku negs both. Also 🔥 vid
drip goku vs drip saitama
@@Theguestbelike No. Drip Goku VS Saitama with a fade
@@computritori no, drip goku MUI vs drip saitama with hair
It’s not close at all, Xeno goku one shots
@@ludwigarydsiljelo8880no, he doesn't he gets one shot lol
Saitamas power is not to lose, so even if hes currently low tear than goku he will still win
Bro can give zeno a run for his money
Zeno ain’t doing anything to this built different version of saitama.
@@QuarksDiller fair enough
@MasterCallumButterworth Literally an atom from terra 3 would fold every single Dragonball cosmology 🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️
@@Cosmic_1nfinity well you cant say that shit if you are using fanmade version fanmade version can scale up to defferents level i can do xeno goku infinite layers into boundless so pls shut up
Pretty good explanation W
Btw atom of t3 vnu sets are 2-3 layers into boundless
Neuman multiverses - irrelevant layers into boundless which makes Saitama universe - beyond tiering
So garou and Saitama both are beyond tiering 😂!
Wtf is Terra 3 ?
Watch the damn vid
he just explained it bro
Bruh, bro just skip the 0:00-5:44💀
@@susssssss3000I think he meant what is the literal meaning of terra
@@KAZ_Editz1terra is a português word for earth
You are really the true goat! Of yts Bro Underrated
If the canon fight goes like this, at that point it's already eos 🗿
Xd nop😅
Terra 3 Saitama is actually Outerversal, not High Outerversal. The cardinal scans aren't properly justified canonically. I use author statements for his scaling, since it's kinda weird.
goku glazers are gonna be SOOO maddd lmao
The whole concept of Terra whatever Saitama is just to glaze your OC fanfiction that isnt even a real thing.
Same with made-up Goku glaze. Bro is 7D
@@bennogb5069 gokuuu ohh gokuuu its soo goooodddd
@@WTSClips ayo you edging zo my comment bruh?
This is a fanfiction lil bro. 😭 🙏
that video is totally amazing, how you explain it, and stuff like that is TOTALLY AMAZING you earned a new sub
Thank youu appreciate it
867 views after 16 hours is so sad, hope you get the attention you deserve. W video.
Appreciate you man, just gotta stick to the grind
The righteous one for the title GOAT
Yoo find your shelter..goku fans are attacking
Lmaoo
But is true, Sayan don’t have limits. Goku in SSG is able to destroy the universe in the battle of Beerus, and in the daizenshu 7 is stated that the universe is infinite. The universe 7 is a macrocosm with 3 infinite universe (Living World, Heaven, Thé world of demons). After That Goku unlock The SS Blue And that transformation is 50 Times stronger that The SSG.
@@yeleiralopez9945 they're already here, run!
@@ruthless3118run cuz you have no evidence that non canon fodder 3 can even scratch Base Goku🤷♂️
@@lastfirst4836we caught one in 4k
OC FALLACY! - seth said that not me
Appeal To Authority 🤘🤘🤘
i honestly dont like fan mangas bc its basically saying a ant is multiversal and it makes saitama fans go super toxic
You mean when saitama canon loses to goku canon they would say saitama terra 2 or 3 slams or something like that?
@@Rockzz23 yes
@@Monkey-i8y then the same applies to goku fans whenever goku loses to a character which is canon they would just say some shit like"DrIp GoKu EnTerS THE ChaT" or xeno goku or cc goku which are non canon spreading no hate just saying goku fans are also like this(not all) and iam a goku fan too
well i havent seen that once and even on youtube there are just random people who go likes saitama destroys goku and then when you try to fight with them they change the topic instead of saitama its now terra 2 saitama and stuff like that
@@Monkey-i8y you can see it if look at debates that involve goku but outside of anime like goku marvel and Dc comics like that
Imagine beating someone that’s literally omnipotent in power. Not God, just omnipotent in power.
If there was a terra 4 he’s the most powerful anime character
Then imagine Saitama Terra 10🥶🥶
Non canon so probably not
@@jirkavrana7789Terra -1
Another person can just make someone even stronger since they're all gonna be fan made, If we took fan made characters and put them against canon characters, That's just stupid
anything past terra 3 is just the same or isn't saitama the charater anymore
Terra 3 is definitely not Boundless 💀. Amazing editing skills though.
Debunking Terra 3.
So a lot of people (and I mean a lot) have been saying that this version of cosmic garou is somehow, someway beyond the tiering system (which is false, and I’ll later prove why). But the thing is, most of what Garou said was hyperbole. This can be shown when he was talking about becoming one with the universe (that’s literally just universal). And von Neumann’s universe does have a hierarchical set, but it doesn’t relate here with the fan-made manga. Garou didn’t even go over the complexities of the von Neumann universe at all. Pretty much what he said was that the universe is beyond infinity and that von Neumann’s universe is a “universal” universe. Which is again, just universal. You could argue that it’s high universal (because Garou said that it surpasses mortal cognition), but for the sake of keeping the debunk concise and consistent, we’re just going to say it’s universal (because that’s simply what Garou said).
The next thing I think I should debunk is Garou saying he erased all concepts of time and space. Now erasing concepts is conceptual erasure (pretty sure everyone knows that), but that doesn’t necessarily make Garou Outerversal or whatever, it Just means that he is capable Of erasing concepts and Its value . And this should be pretty Simple and obvious to understand. The only way to know that Garou is indeed Outerversal , is by confirming with the canon and the Author himself (and the manga never explicitly stated that Garou is Above the concept of Time or space) .
I’m now going to go over Garou’s attacks and his destruction capacity. So it’s made clear to the reader that he has dimensional attacks, as shown in his fight against Saitama numerous times . Like when he did the “dimensional blow”, which compresses everything into a 0-dimensional void. Which is insane, but that’d just mean he has dimensional interactive powers and such , not that he’s freaking Outer or something. He can also divide the universe into endless lines, each with its own number in a hierarchical pattern, but really he’s just manipulating the universe, which is, again, just universal.
The universe then starts unraveling, showing its true size and identity, as endless lines reveal the fabric of the universe . Which, like I said (probably) is insane… but to be honest, it doesn’t reach anywhere near what people hype that feat up to be. As he’s simply compressing everything into a 0 dimensional void. The next thing I want to cover is Garou’s ability to change a being’s entire setting or concept. This just means that he can change a person’s entire setting, which doesn’t really scale anywhere (it’s just another hax that can be overpowered by higher dimensionality).
Garou also stated that “the concept of mankind will cease to exist”, which implies that he has conceptual erasure or high level destruction, which is very commendable and respectable. However, this doesn’t even get him past mankind level, since he was just going to erase the idea of man. Anyone who isn’t of man wouldn’t be affected. This implies the fact that his conceptual erasure is pretty limited , he can’t use it to its full extent , and even if he could it’d only work when he used the full power of the universe . So this Means that he Can’t really use it consistently, and it isn’t something he can regularly do.
Moving forth , I’m going to talking about the “timeline strike” ability. So the timeline strike ability, like its name suggests, is an ability in which the user is able to combine timelines and stack them continuously. This doesn’t prove, or even necessitate any logical Truth that Garou transcends these timelines. Because just Manipulating timelines isn’t going to cut it . If you really think about it, That’s just time Manipulation, which is just a hax that doesn’t affect his attack potency or some other Kind of way. You have to Prove that Garou is superior to these timelines Directly from a reputable Source and a credible one at that. Then Garou proceeds to put up some vague and mysterious looking portal that Saitama causally Breaks through , which is humorous and figurative at best, because there is no confirming evidence that Proves any dimensionality within that portal . It’s vague at best, and there needs to be surrounding evidence that Proves or supports the space getting past 3-dimensional. The spatial cut technique is also 3-dimensional. As there is no further context or information that gets it past that at all. It is, again, a vague ability without any confirmation that it gets past even 3-dimensional.
Saitama then proceeds to play with Garou by taking out his speaker box, and then rewriting Garou’s speech. Which scales nowhere, because it’s Non physical interaction . And i truly think that the author made this fan-made manga for shits and giggles & Power shenanigans and whatnot. Which means that it can be classified as an oc fallacy (possibly) , because there’s surrounding Evidence supporting such. There is really no reason to go in-depth about V-logic and ZFC like that . Especially when Saitama interacted with something no one should be able to interact with.
And that’s the debunk! If you have any contentions , then point out why some of my arguments were wrong according to you, and we can discuss why . But despite all of that, I hope you learned something from my debunk of T3 Garou. Peace.
Edit : Regarding the scan where there was A bunch of cardinals and Von Neumann’s universe model. The inaccessible Cardinal being there doesn’t mean that Garou’s high outer . It’s pretty obvious that the Author’s intent was to make Saitama and Garou as Op as possible, and that falls under o.c fallacy. That’s because there was a lot of hyperbole and Op shit for literally no reason whatsoever . For example, Garou stating that he erased all concepts of time and space, even though their attacks were still physical . There shouldn’t be any Physical attack being made in a place with No concept of time and space. That’s simply illogical and it doesn’t add up to any consistency.
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See Calix's argumentation below.
The ordinal placements does not correlate with the abstract placement of the cardinals since they exists on the same plane so this would just render it mathematically useless in nature because it's a stable plane providing a power of 0 so it scales nowhere.
"THE VON NEUMANN UNIVERSE, V.X WHEN INPUT AL THEN VINPUT PCV AD CPOWER SET, IF INPUT IS A LIMIT ORDINAL, THEN VINPUTUK< CVK, WHEREK CAN ITERATE THROUGH ALL ORDINALS. IT H PROPER CLASS, AN ONGOING PROCESS OF TAKING POWER GETS. WHERE IS THE EMPTY SET, A GET WITH NO ELEMENTS.
THE SUBSETS O ARE AND VI OF THE EMPTY SET POWER SE POWER SET OF VI 10, 108 THE POWER SET OF V.2, 10, 01, 10, COIL AND SO ON
THE NEUMANN UNIVERSE
IF VO HAS A CARDINALITY OF O WHICH IS AN EMPTY SET, THEN CARDINALITY OF VI, THE POWER SET OF 0, 16 2:01. THE CARDINALITY OF V22V2, V3'S CARDINALITY 2V 24V 4'S CARDINALITY2V 3 16 VSS CARDINALITY 65536, AND
SO FORTH"
This statement above basically implies ordinals = cardinals which is mathematically incorrect and is false equivalence. Ordinals are negative while cardinals are positives.
And you cant say -1=1 simply because they don't exists on the mathematical same plane.
Henceforth, the terra 3 depiction of the Von Neumann universe is mathematically false, and fails to scale anywhere logically.
"THE VASTNESS OF THE UNIVERSE SURPASSES OUR COGNITION. THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF "INFINITY" ALSO STRUGGLES TO DESCRIBE ITS GRANDEUR.
EVEN MODELS LIKE THE "VON NEUMANN UNIVERSE" CAN ONLY COVER A SMALL FRACTION OF IT."
"Grandeur":~ quality of great beauty and size which attracts admiration.
"The von Neumann universe supposedly
"encompasses" things like aleph numbers and inaccessible cardinals"
This gets paradoxical by the fact that those are mathematical, thus leading them to exist as abstract notions, the Von Neumann Universe is a physical structure here, this is a contradiction because an object cannot encompass something that has an higher existence then it, in simpler words, two completely opposite structures (physical object and abstract/mathematical aspect) cannot exist on the same plane so they can't be scaled as a singularity.
Henceforth, Garou T3 would scale towards his verse which by being made consistent is Multiversal+
This man is praying for opm’s down fall I swear😭🙏
Do you got some type of beef why opm like damn
That copy paste was debunked a long time ago
its juist facts@@QuarksDiller
@@QuarksDiller that Copy and Paste didn’t got Debunked lol
Sure buddy
@@_------------_ okey where did it got debunked and what did they debunked
0:37 this crazy
I myself believe that yes, this version of Saitama beats goku. Most goku fanboys will probably spam like "oh but Goku bla bla bla and goku better goku better" i mean like the only reason they really say goku beats saitama and cosmic garou is because the anime and series is better than one punch man, and has been up for much longer than one punch man but i believe is opm had been up for as long as db, db fans (not all) would probably mind to watch this and ask themselves could goku survive that ball of infinite universes or ehatever its called garou made
No he can not
@@keijoboss718
Fodder goku is nowhere close to this
Ok I love db buy even if that goku doesn't beat this version of saitama but uf it's cc or xeno goku idk
@@skibidip123cc and xeno still can't beat terra 3 cosmology
now lets see if minecraft steve can win
This mans editing is like official divines
Not Terra 3 is Terra 2
This is terra 3🗿
Yea sounds about right. Really like the video 🙏🏾
oh no i agree that anime saitama KILLS every version of GOKU OPM is the GOAT
Meatrider he was talking about this terra 3 version also kami and official divines scale for cc and xeno put them also at inf boundless so it would be a tie
The opm community talks about Goku more then the fans atp
@@skibidip123Atom from Terra 3>>>>>
@@Cosmic_1nfinity blud that too overkill even a atom from terra 3 contain infinite V von neuman universe and V von neuman universe contain infinite von neuman universe and von neuman universe contain infinite neuman universe even a single neuman universe is bigger than scp and wod cosmology combine and dragon ball verse is fodder multiverse and goku is fodder galaxy level ☠
@@monad484 copium is getting real lmao
Please make video about aizen vs saitama (day 3)
Saitama vs garou in the actual manga should have been like this
Nah, this is what god vs saitama is going to look like.
That would be a mess. The current state is much bettter and leaves room for stronger characters to appear, Garou shouldn't be the strongest threat, hes just a rebel teenager.
This is literally a fan made version that’s like it a goku fan was to make goku boundless
Yeah
Toon force negs all anime
Wait I gotta an idea, I’m just gonna make a goku that farts all of fiction
This fanmanga still going on?
Yeah the Chinese author cookin we just need translators
I think it's finished
Fan mangga it's not fan made it's not Chinese made it's Japanese artist....if these fan made so murata is a fan maker
@@MadaraHashirama-zw6lk it was a chinese author and then a japanese translater fixed some stuff up lmao
One (stylized in all caps) or Tomohiro is the pseudonym of a Japanese manga artist, who is best known for his web manga series One-Punch Man, which was later remade into a digital manga illustrated by Yusuke Murata.
The power scaling for this anime is NUTS
dude i think he beats goku
Fan made lol
hes above tiering man t3 is literally broken and insane ur a goat powerscaler
W
His not t3 isn't boundless or above tiering system
@@infinity_shadow he already is my guy
@@im_susthesussyman his not
anime saitama is gonna surpass this
No shot
yeah when they animate it in 79 years
No.
Fire 🔥 video keep it up.
W finally some knows there stuff
I bet you 5 bucks a minimum of 5 people have already started arguing in the comments
you know what's crazy? if fan versions are fair game, then so are any official versions of the character, and since he fused with the audience in that one weird 4d japanese event or whatever it was, Goku is, in fact, still stronger.
technically, i counted how many times saitama was infinitely past infinite, and he is somehow around roughly equal to goku in terms of cosmology
before i start, just saying, i know this sounds stupid, but both of them are infinitely infinite layers past infinite, but apparently every time you infinitely get past the previous infinity ,thats only +1 dimensional tier up cos v wiki rules are stupid.
infinitely past (7d) an infinite higher universe (garou's new universe, 6d) of infinite timelines/universes (garou's infinite timeline/universe thingy he made, 5d) of infinite dimensions of infinite (garou's explanation of true infinity implies this is the average opm universe, 3 to 4d)
saitama is 6 to 7d
while goku is roughly 6 to 9d
his scaling is being infinitely beyond (9d) a world (beats world, 8d) infinitely beyond a multiverse (dbh multiverse excluding beats world, 7d) of infinite timelines (all of dbh history, 6d) of infinite universes (the dbh universes, 5d) of infinite dimensions of infinity (mysterious man’s dimension, 3 to 4d)
but even if saitama scaled higher, goku would win cos of his hax like key sword and super shenron mode that works on higher dimensional beings, but surprisingly they scale similarly
yeah, vs wiki rules are so fucking stupid, counting how many times they are infinitely infinite lol, but overall, tl:dr is the scaling for both is stupid and xeno goku likely wins
Could you do a how strong is Sung Jin Woo next plssss love your vids btw
this video was visually so good, goodshit mate!!!!!
Appreciate it 👍👍
Terra 4 when :3
Wow something spitting facts 🗣️✨
lil bro did not cook with the infinite layers into boundless (no offense also btw ur editing is great and you deserve more)
Dayum, they barely even showed terra saitama in the manga and terra 3 already exists in the fandom💀
Saitama = z goku and < GT goku
terra 2 Saitama = super goku and < CC goku
terra 3 Saitama => xeno goku
I see you use the same format as officialdivine, but you’re not bad! Divine may be better at editing, but you are better at narrating (in my opinion)
This is amazing edit ✍️ 🔥
(So good it made me forgor grammar)
full potential siatama would probably destroy the galaxy with a sneeze
even the offical version could reach this power, after all, he doesn't have a limit.
E o edit em português no começo?
É de um rap, não é?
Truly a boundless character 💀
*Finally someone explains Terror 3 Correctly. Good job bro 👏🏼👍🏼.*
*And for those who still think Goku can beat saitama in terror3, then just imagine that He litteraly was fine when garou send him to 0 dimension and break though it and punched him.*
Appreciate the comment and I agree W
Bro t3 is not boundless
@@Algoraxx thanks 👍🏻
@@infinity_shadow I never told it....
Good video bro,love the content
Appreciate it
I loved the brazillian edits used in this video
These edits are from anirap's Saitama rap
For some reason this got my attention more than the video
@@Lucas-mi6vd sim mano
Offical Divine : Finally a worthy opponent
In conclusion he is only low outer.
Yeah, being able to stop things like the writer's ability to change their settings does put Saitama above Goku. Hell it puts him above all fiction really.
My guy can break Realty's in one punch 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Casual Terra 3 Saitama>All CN Scps
cap
@@ahmedjoycesneakattacksquad5003Terra 3 Saitama makes Wod and CN Scps look weak as shit 😂😂
@@Cosmic_1nfinity not really
@@ahmedjoycesneakattacksquad5003 Do you know that a casual terra 3 Saitama saw the Inaccessible Cardinal line(High Outer-Boundless) as a 1D line and is above the concept of Absolute Infinity? 💀💀💀
@@Cosmic_1nfinity many overpowered scp (and other fictional characters) are above the concept of infinity and have done stronger feats than that