Whenever you get around to it it would be great if you could do a review of the TIGER Products Fortis carbon fiber shaft. Its comes in 12mm and 12.5mm but I prefer the 12mm. The people need to hear its feedback sound. It’s unlike any other carbon fiber shaft out there in terms of response and playability. Love your videos man, keep it up.
actually kielwood shafts have been around a long long time.... back in the old days custom cue makers used to market themselves as having to use naturally seasoned shaft by leaving it to cure naturally after every pass. till its final stages. This was because back then manufacturers and cue shops turning out cues at a much quicker paced used to heat treat or in this case torrefied wood to speed up the curing process.
Yeah facts but I'm thinking about going with a gulyassy Kielwood shaft and I kinda of like his a little bit better due to the fact he puts a little bit of some strategic work on the inside of the shaft and I like the different color of that brown color ferrule as well
How long did you use this Kielwood shaft? Has anyone used a Kielwood shaft for longer than a year at least? The reason I ask is because I found that these shafts are hard to clean and you can easily ruin the finish. If you sand the shaft the color can change. In my experience with wood shafts they ALL have to be sanded after much use to get the chalk and dirt out. I want to know how this will hold up.
Where are these available? Jacoby doesn't have them on their site. I haven't been able to locate any site that has them, or any info on them whatsoever.
Most people don't know that Kielwood is a brand owned by Prather Custom Cues. Unless Jacoby is purchasing those blanks from Prather this would be a copyright infringement.. The actual process for this is called "torrification'.
Yes, I could see that there was a trademark ® for "Kielwood" when I did my research. However, I could not find it in the USPTO register, so I don't know. However, I think it will be very difficult for them to trademark the process, however - the term "Kielwood" sure. I'll leave that up to them. I haven't seen Jacoby market them anywhere, and thus they have not used the term "Kielwood". Hsunami and a couple of other however...
@@CueListings I couldn't find it either. You can't trademark a process, although I think you can patent a process, but that would require being the original inventor, or being assigned rights from the original inventor, and what exactly would Prather be inventing? Torrefied wood has been around since at least the time when Vikings used it in ships, and it doesn't look like they're using any novel processes to put the shaft together. It seems to me that attempting to get a patent on a kielwood shaft would be like trying to patent a process where you use aged oak to make a pool cue shaft. Not to mention that I bet someone has made a shaft out of torrefied wood before Prather ever did it. With the registered trademark symbol, Prather is making the claim that they have the sole right to use the trademark "Kielwood," and that they registered the trademark with the USPTO. It's like how Kleenex is a registered trademark, and so competing brands call their products "tissues." If Prather has failed to register the trademark, then it might be difficult for them to sue anyone for trademark infringement. However, one would want to hire an attorney to do a trademark search before asserting that Prather is being deceptive in claiming a registered trademark for "kielwood," and before assuming that Prather wouldn't prevail in a trademark infringement lawsuit, etc. etc. If Prather is the first to use the word "Kielwood" to describe their torrefied wood shafts, they could quite possibly register it as a trademark, but if they haven't actually registered it, they shouldn't use the R symbol (although they might be entitled to use "TM"). (Disclaimer: None of this is legal advice, and I am not here representing myself as an attorney (whether or not I am one). Consult an attorney, if you need legal advice).
@@myblacklab7 Thank you for your insight. I don't know if they should spend a lot of money to protect the phrase "Kielwood". I'll leave it up to them :)
@@CueListings Thanks! Yeah, I agree with you. It's interesting though - I just did a time-restricted search for "Kielwood" previous to 2019, and no results. I think someone just made up the name to replace "torrefied wood." In German, the word "kiel" means keel, so maybe it's a reference to viking shipbuilding, and the fact that the vikings used torrefied wood for that? Prather should explain how and who came up with this. I actually like the name "kielwood" - it sounds kind of cool, and it's easier to say than "torrefied wood." I think Prather would be wise to not get too litigious, but it seems like maybe they do have a good claim on having come up with the term "kielwood" (assuming they did invent the word).
Do you play in any pool leagues? Do you have a Fargo rating? Is the table your playing on 9ft? You say your not a pro, but you are not far from it in my opinion!
Hi, I play in some national championships and random events here and there. We don't really use Fargo over here, but it said 673 the last time I checked. I spoke to the people at Fargo and they said they did not include results from the last 2-3 years from my country, so I don't know to be honest. I had a 69% win rate (racks) those years, so my guess is that my Fargo is around 690-710. My table is 9 feet with 4 1/2 inch pockets. Oh, and I am far far far far away from being a pro - and that's perfectly fine by me :D
@@CueListingsbit like the Z3? What is wrong that he is lighter… more feel no? 😀 The fact is subdued, does it not give more control? I’m shure that I can produce amazing things with a carbon shaft. But how many times do you need it? Or you have the feeling you have to put a lot more effort than with a Z
i like to find a matching buttend for my jacoby KW shaft,currently i have a lucasi buttend on it
Whenever you get around to it it would be great if you could do a review of the TIGER Products Fortis carbon fiber shaft. Its comes in 12mm and 12.5mm but I prefer the 12mm. The people need to hear its feedback sound. It’s unlike any other carbon fiber shaft out there in terms of response and playability.
Love your videos man, keep it up.
Thank you for unlocking the mystery of these shafts.👍
No such thing as kielwood. These shafts are simply maple that has been roasted, or baked in special ovens.
lmao this guy apa lvl 3 at best
Recently picked up a new cue with kielwood shaft and best hitting cue I’ve played with imo
im just saying this,there is no such thing a shaft having 0% low deleflection,thats what david jacoby told me
You deserve at least 25,000 subs mate.Im still beaming about the bargain j flowers cue you strongly recommended.
Thank you, my friend!
I'm a big jacoby fan I didn't even know they had a kw shaft
It's a rather new product from them.
I do like the color of the shaft.
Yea, it looks good..but it would take (me) a lot of time to get used to...if I ever would.
actually kielwood shafts have been around a long long time.... back in the old days custom cue makers used to market themselves as having to use naturally seasoned shaft by leaving it to cure naturally after every pass. till its final stages. This was because back then manufacturers and cue shops turning out cues at a much quicker paced used to heat treat or in this case torrefied wood to speed up the curing process.
It’s a stiffer hit, but less action on the QB? Interesting 🤔
Yea, it was interesting testing this Kielwood shaft. A new experience.
Various sources = the Billiard Corner.
Yes, that was one of the sources. But, I also had other ones. 😀 They all pretty much explain the torrification process the same way.
i just ordered a jacoby kielwood shaft yesturday,it will at my apartment tomorrow,i cant wait to try it out
Whats the verdict?
@@eastorange89 it shoots great,nice solid hits
Yeah facts but I'm thinking about going with a gulyassy Kielwood shaft and I kinda of like his a little bit better due to the fact he puts a little bit of some strategic work on the inside of the shaft and I like the different color of that brown color ferrule as well
How could you compare to the others shafts (314/3, ultra pro) in terms of feeling and deflection?@@erickort1987
What's with the robot sounding voice
Hmm...really? I did not notice that. Anyone else did?
@@CueListings In a way, sounds like Zulu 50 years after Star Trek.
Lol! Captain Zulu
How long did you use this Kielwood shaft? Has anyone used a Kielwood shaft for longer than a year at least? The reason I ask is because I found that these shafts are hard to clean and you can easily ruin the finish. If you sand the shaft the color can change. In my experience with wood shafts they ALL have to be sanded after much use to get the chalk and dirt out. I want to know how this will hold up.
Use a piece of leather
You ever heard of anyone trying a purple heart shooting shaft?
Yes. Cue maker Larry Vigus played with one that he made for himself, long time ago.
I have one I've jump and broke with. Couldn't imagine using it as a player though
Where can I find these with options for 30in?
How does it compare to a z2?
Where are these available? Jacoby doesn't have them on their site. I haven't been able to locate any site that has them, or any info on them whatsoever.
It's a new product from them. Try sending them an email. Say hello from me :)
Thanks man
My pleasure
I want to try a walnut shaft
Hi, anyone knows smth about deflection compared to Jacoby Ultra pro or Pred. 314/3?
Both very good wooden shafts, jacoby makes really good cues, so does predator
@@deeptrivedi2846 he ask about the deflection, not the quality
i think its the same with Jacoby Ultra pro
Most people don't know that Kielwood is a brand owned by Prather Custom Cues. Unless Jacoby is purchasing those blanks from Prather this would be a copyright infringement.. The actual process for this is called "torrification'.
Yes, I could see that there was a trademark ® for "Kielwood" when I did my research. However, I could not find it in the USPTO register, so I don't know. However, I think it will be very difficult for them to trademark the process, however - the term "Kielwood" sure. I'll leave that up to them. I haven't seen Jacoby market them anywhere, and thus they have not used the term "Kielwood". Hsunami and a couple of other however...
@@CueListings I couldn't find it either. You can't trademark a process, although I think you can patent a process, but that would require being the original inventor, or being assigned rights from the original inventor, and what exactly would Prather be inventing? Torrefied wood has been around since at least the time when Vikings used it in ships, and it doesn't look like they're using any novel processes to put the shaft together.
It seems to me that attempting to get a patent on a kielwood shaft would be like trying to patent a process where you use aged oak to make a pool cue shaft. Not to mention that I bet someone has made a shaft out of torrefied wood before Prather ever did it.
With the registered trademark symbol, Prather is making the claim that they have the sole right to use the trademark "Kielwood," and that they registered the trademark with the USPTO. It's like how Kleenex is a registered trademark, and so competing brands call their products "tissues."
If Prather has failed to register the trademark, then it might be difficult for them to sue anyone for trademark infringement. However, one would want to hire an attorney to do a trademark search before asserting that Prather is being deceptive in claiming a registered trademark for "kielwood," and before assuming that Prather wouldn't prevail in a trademark infringement lawsuit, etc. etc.
If Prather is the first to use the word "Kielwood" to describe their torrefied wood shafts, they could quite possibly register it as a trademark, but if they haven't actually registered it, they shouldn't use the R symbol (although they might be entitled to use "TM").
(Disclaimer: None of this is legal advice, and I am not here representing myself as an attorney (whether or not I am one). Consult an attorney, if you need legal advice).
@@myblacklab7 Thank you for your insight. I don't know if they should spend a lot of money to protect the phrase "Kielwood". I'll leave it up to them :)
@@CueListings Thanks!
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's interesting though - I just did a time-restricted search for "Kielwood" previous to 2019, and no results.
I think someone just made up the name to replace "torrefied wood." In German, the word "kiel" means keel, so maybe it's a reference to viking shipbuilding, and the fact that the vikings used torrefied wood for that?
Prather should explain how and who came up with this. I actually like the name "kielwood" - it sounds kind of cool, and it's easier to say than "torrefied wood."
I think Prather would be wise to not get too litigious, but it seems like maybe they do have a good claim on having come up with the term "kielwood" (assuming they did invent the word).
Do you play in any pool leagues? Do you have a Fargo rating? Is the table your playing on 9ft? You say your not a pro, but you are not far from it in my opinion!
Hi, I play in some national championships and random events here and there. We don't really use Fargo over here, but it said 673 the last time I checked. I spoke to the people at Fargo and they said they did not include results from the last 2-3 years from my country, so I don't know to be honest. I had a 69% win rate (racks) those years, so my guess is that my Fargo is around 690-710. My table is 9 feet with 4 1/2 inch pockets. Oh, and I am far far far far away from being a pro - and that's perfectly fine by me :D
@@CueListings that is so cool I mean about the shaft. Hope they bring them to the mass!!!
@@tobystrickland5986 Contact them and give my regards. They can make one whichever way you want it.
Since the shaft is on the light side (from normal), are you picking up any vibration?
Hi Rod. Not really feeling any extra vibration. You do feel that the shaft is on the lighter side though..
@@CueListingsbit like the Z3? What is wrong that he is lighter… more feel no? 😀
The fact is subdued, does it not give more control?
I’m shure that I can produce amazing things with a carbon shaft. But how many times do you need it? Or you have the feeling you have to put a lot more effort than with a Z
I bought an OB Phoenix shaft and gave it a try. Learned either go wood or CF. Kielwood didn't feel right for me.
Kielwood is certainly "something else". Not for everyone.
are they bored at the tip end for low mass ? If they are , that deadens the hit but lowers the cue ball deflection .
@@joeygonzo No, it's solid.
What in the heck is a "Deep rich hit"?
If you know. You know
Another way to describe a great hit meaning feel/feedback