Ep 17 DCT Clutch Failures | Crown and Comments | Cruiseman's Garage
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- One of the main topics in this month's Crown and Comments is a series of a reports about DCT clutch failures resulting from low-speed riding.
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Yup, I call bullshit too. I am an instructor and I have used my DCT for advanced skills and demonstrations. I practice the low speed maneuvers before every class, before people arrive. I have not noticed any issues with the transmission or the clutch.
I haven't taught for about 10 years now, but I think I'd want to actually see this guy's practice routine - what he's doing, how he's doing it, and especially for how long. My guess is that he's not giving the bike's clutch (the DCT has two of 'em, but IIRC only one of 'em is involved with getting the bike underway) to cool off between exercises. Or, it could be that he's discovered a flaw in the DCT design - sort of like the first-gen 1800's where if you rode it at a certain, steady speed the bike would overheat because of the radiator/fan design. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is he’s trying to perform the same maneuvers as if he is still on a manual. Slightly high RPM and using rear brake instead of a hand actuated clutch to control speed. This essentially is like putting your foot on the brake and flooring a “manumatic” car like Audi or Lamborghini… you’re just revving against the clutches…. Since I learned to ride on a DCT bike I learned to modulate my throttle without dragging rear brake for slow speed stuff
@@petergriffin8681: That's why I said I wanted to observe his practice sessions. The key word in your post is "Slightly". My experience riding field games at GWRRA rallies in the 80's-90's (and occasionally winning when the really good riders fouled out) was that I burned out two GL1100 clutches by revving too high against the clutch/rear brake combo. I'd been taught that the engine acted as a gyro to help hold the bike up - and, the faster a gyro spins, the more stable it is, right? Turns out, not so much. When I started riding the 15/1800s and got involved in rider education, I learned to use the throttle/clutch/rear brake combo just enough to keep the bike moving forward. In fact, I find that I often ride *too* slowly to make very tight turns - I need more speed to allow the bike to lean enough to make the turn, and it's tough to overcome the "slower is better" mindset. And, I had no clutch trouble with either the 15 or 18 after nearly 300K miles on the pair over the 28 years I had 'em.
I think Cruiserman is blaming Honda and not the rider. But you're saying that the rider ruined his bike? I agree. I think he is partially to blame. Because I think that it would be obvious to most advanced riders if they are slipping and overheating their transmission. Having the brake on at the same time as the accelerator would cause extreme heat and would cause a failure, but this wouldn't be Honda's fault necessarily.
The DCT does have a warning light for when the clutches are getting overheated...also the guy that damaged his clutches had two different DCT wings and did the same thing with both bikes...Honda warranted the first DCT bike and then it was crashed... then the guy buys the second bike and he burnt up the clutches in 1k miles or so and Honda denied warranty blaming the guy for abusing the bike.
Does the DCT cut off when it overheats when riding a parade? What mode should you ride in? Does the DCT a fan like the older bikes to cool the bike?
I did ceramic coat my windshield and my dash. Really helps protect that soft clear plastic. I refresh it from time to time with the Armor Shield Lite so it stays looking like new. The rain beads on the windshield and runs off like RainX on your car windshield. Makes it easy to maintain too
I thought about this DCT issue since I first viewed this video last week.
My theory: the owner used too much rear brake combined with too much throttle, leading to the transmission overheating. Then, being too focused on his slow speed maneuvers, failed to notice the warning light indicating a transmission overheat.
Always enjoy Crown and Comments. Great job as usual, Cruiseman.
CG, I just wanted to let you know that I'm thoroughly enjoying your informatve videos... The last time I rode my Goldwing 1000 K2 was back in the early eighties. Missing the GW experience very much and the latest models are just amazing! Thanks for your most enjoyable reviews.
Congratulations 🎉🎊 🎂🥳 ! Thanks for all your videos 👍🏼 Cheers 🥃 and long life with your channel 👍🏼🤘🏼 many more miles 🙏🏼
As far as the DCT issue I see Honda’s side of this argument. If you have the standard transmissions you basically do the same thing with it if you’re riding in a parade or drill team which was this guys issue was and what he was doing. If you have a manual the standard thing you do is slip the clutch and ride your brake. Slipping the clutch can burn it out. Honda won’t cover a burned out manual couch so why should they cover a DCT clutch when it’s basically the same thing?
Your bike reviews are excellent. I think most of us are biased toward certain bikes or types of bikes, based on what personal preference, but I find your reviews to be well balanced and present information for different types riders, making the valuable to a wide range of people. Keep it up!
Cruiseman,,, you are a treasure .. god bless you.
Well! just after finishing one video, this pops up! onwards with more relaxing
The DCT is designed to run under normal condition in heavy or light or city and HWYS. It will probably take a rider for plenty of enjoyable rides for many many years. Having said that, doing U turns 4 days a week for weeks at the time, is not NORMAL. Something will give up.....period. The DCT is a very well built tranny with many miles of tested design by Honda. I am not worried even tiny owning one. The DCT is so perfect for our wings that I can't see riding one without it. The batt on the 6th gen, in my opinion, should stay AGM. Keep it trickle charged while parked and all good, when you ride. yes, the wing has a weakness to low voltage, after all its a power plant. Why a volt meter was not put in, who knows. Chris, good video, again. Ride safe!!!!!
Great info on this episode… great ideas 💡
Any vehicle being run for abnormal periods of time eg demonstrating very low speed manoeuvres by slipping the clutch continuously, will suffer accelerated clutch wear.
In this case the clutch or clutches are slipping without a break thereby reducing lifespan enormously. Clutches are designed for normal riding including stop-start and normal manoeuvring.
I cannot see how this case can be regarded as that. This is abnormal use described by Honda as abuse.
In one of Gerry Paladino's videos he advises a student a student to protect his clutch by practising tight turns for half an hour before giving it a rest to cool down.
Our riding school clutches were wrecked by this training but on older BMW R80RT's the smoke from the single plate dry clutch usually told you when to stop.
Our own mechanics did the necessary replacements as needed!
Enjoyed the video as always👍
Hey Cruiseman, great video as always. I'm a rider and also a pro auto/RV/motorcycle detailer. I definitely respect your advice to the less experienced to not ceramic coat the clear plastics of the GW. That said, they polish pretty easily with a mild cleaner polish like the Griots perfecting cream. Consumer-grade coatings like Armor Shield polish off easily if that's ever a concern. For what it's worth, the ease of cleaning that a coating adds to your clear plastics is worth the effort of coating them (my opinion of course)... Keep up the great work sir!
You should have mentioned in your video that the owner of the bike with the burnt clutches on his dct that this happened to 2 bikes. 2020 that burned up the clutches that Honda repaired on warranty but the service tech wrecked the bike on test run then a brand new 2022 with the same burnt clutches.
Nice new studio !! I purchased a battery replacement program from the dealer for about the same cost as one battery.
One thing to consider about at least getting a test ride on several different bikes. While it is not a way to "live with the bike" for a few days, getting to a place where a lot of manufacturers are at a place at the same time to get a test ride is doable. The MotoGP races in Austin every April host many vendors and manufacturers and a lot of test rides on the current year's lineups are available. It may not be what you are looking for, but it is a way to see and ride some of these bikes you are looking at. Thanks for your videos.
Another great episode. Thank you. I don’t have a Goldwing yet, but now I’m curious to see how Honda handles the DCT issues as more riders come forward with similar experiences. Hopefully Honda steps up to the plate.
Have "more riders some forward with similar experiences"? I haven't heard of any others. The only issues I've personally experienced (2022 GW and 2020 Africa Twin both DCT) are that the AT's default "D" drive mode shifts WAAAY too early (6th gear at 36 MPH) and in 14k miles it's stalled about 10-12 times. Just on the AT though, the GW has been flawless.
Totally off-topic.... I LOVE that shirt. Very nice! :)
LOL I like the way you stretched that crown royal, as always a great video
Hey Cruiserman! Found your channel a few months ago…not a Wing fan, but find your content interesting. Keep it going!
Ceramic coating - highly advise for the windscreen. Certain coating makes visibility while driving in rain a whole new experience. Water blows right off!!
Primary purpose of ceramics is UV protection, UV creates yellowing and the ceramic coating will make windscreen last longer.
R1250RT - Should my wife decide to start riding with me, this is the bike. Very interested to hear your thoughts on the bike if you are given opportunity…Anyone in DFW area willing to loan their R1250RT to Cruiserman for a week???
Cruiseman - I have a 2021 DCT - If this guy drives slow speed manuevers why not switch to manual instead of automatic on the DCT? The DCT has a manual shift mode. He should select 1st or 2nd gear so the transmission will not shift.
If I lived close to you, I would let you review my Multistrada. You are tall enough that it should fit you well.
Love from Mississippi 🇺🇲 USA
This video changed my mind from buying a DCT to manual 💯👏
Not sure I would go that far.
Always love your videos, could you do a comparison of the 2023' Gold Wing to a Harley Davidson Road 2016' or newer? Also, how often do you use the reverse function on your bike?
Mr. Cruiseman, time is tight for me, would it be possible to show chapters in the video summary so I can go to specific topics you are talking about? Thanks.
Clutch failure. What about pulling a trailer?
I have a 2020 dct white pearl.. Dropped it in my garage…. Little damage on my right mirror and few light scratches on the bag side. These engine guards helped some but not that great. Oh happy birthday 1/16 same as mine😏
I took your advice and didn’t coat the windshield or instrument clear lens. Oh Happy Birthday. Do you know of a good lift for the 2022 Gold Wing that would work well with the Motor Trike conversion and splash guards?
The reason the AM/FM radio reception may be poor is not because of an antennae issue but because the receiver has weak signal sensitivity. That would explain your poor performance enhancement after replacing the Honda antennae.
The am/fm reception issue can be resolved by installing a better antenna. I have successfully carried this out. I installed an oem CB antenna with the appropriate adapter to go into the audio unit. Problem solved a few hundred dollars later!!!
Do a ride review with the BMW RT1150
My thought on the DCT problem is that if you had a Harley and the clutch burned up doing low speed maneuvers Harley would probably not cover the clutch either. Not saying Honda shouldn't cover it, but just food for thought. With a regular clutch there could be a lot of slippage that would shorten the life of the clutch. I'm not a mechanic so I don't know if there's slippage in a DCT. I have 21 GW with a DCT and I would think it's somewhat abusive to ride the brakes to compensate for not being able to pull the clutch in. But I know that's how you do it.
I have ridden bikes for 50 years starting with a Honda Trail all the way to my current two bikes, K1600GTL and Harley Dyna… never had an DCT and never had a problem. However, as old age is creeping up on my and I intend on riding until physically unable, I have been looking at Honda’s with DCT. Specifically, I am waiting for the NT1100 sport tourer to arrive in the US.
Honda should recall the dct goldwings and correct the problem with a new design of clutch.
What problem are you referring to?
@cruisemansgarage refreshing to the clutch burn out in slow speed.
Honda didn’t think about folks using their brakes and accelerator at the same time when in slow speed maneuvers . The Africa Twin is going to have a same issue there is no clutch to feather going through slow speed tracks. It’s to bad the guy you talked about will have to pay for Honda’s oversight.
Read my comment on gold wing docs DCT video. Ive owned 2 honda DCT gen 3s. Mine sat at dealer for months with several other DCT bikes with various issues. Honda North America would not support the dealer on this topic ..i bought the first Gold Wing and 75 and riden Honda since … but now I wouldn’t touch anything with the name Honda on it !
I have an issue with the DCT on my year old bagger, purchased new, day one I reported concerns to the dealer. The issue, I initially reported was the excessive noise on gear change, the next being automatic gear changes mid corner and particularly on roundabouts, the next being faking gearing change and holding onto fifth, and currently between 6th and 7th gears but not exclusively, I experience extreme vibration through the chassis into the right foot peg. A year on the Honda technician confirmed there is a technical fault with the bike, note up until this point I feel like I wasn’t being taken seriously, after all it’s a Honda. We are a year on and it’s now obvious that the bike had the issue from day one. I no longer want this bike and have made contact with Honda Uk and awaiting a response. Any one else experiencing these issues may also want to check with their insurers as when I conveyed the above to mine, I was informed it might get extremely messy should there be a need for a claim…. So I have a 25k bike back at the dealer who warned me they could not tell me how long they would have it, have not offered a courtesy bike. The dealer has reported a similar issue on a showroom bike but are struggling with Honda on the matter…Wish me luck.. Thought I’d get the bike valued, 18k offered by a different dealer, a serious kick in the wallet…Apologies for using your channel to vent but people need to know, I’ve had plenty of Honda’s in the past and no worries, it’s somewhat ironic I buy the most iconic, prestigious one and find myself in a completely different world….If you’d like me to keep you updated, let me know and I would be happy to do so….Keep up the good work, love the channel…
I'll be interested to see how Honda treats DCT G'Wing warranty claims if the bike has a trailer hitch on it. Many 'Wing owners pull trailers so it's just a matter of time and we'll know the answer. I bet Honda will deny the claim. So maybe someone will say "Buy the straight shift if you pull a trailer." That's all well and fine unless you like riding the Airbag model. (Not available in 6 speed) Maybe the DCT will handle it. Time will tell. I can't ever remember hearing of anybody that had to replace the clutches on a '01 thru '17 'Wing.
Cruiseman, with you being a highly experienced owner of at least 2 generations of goldwing, I have a question. I have a 2006 goldwing comfort Navi non-ABS that is paid for. I REALLY REALLY want a new 2023. Is it that much better? So much so that I sell or trade a paid-for bike to buy a $30k new bike?
I still use a flooded battery for my GL, I know it needs maintenance but, being so minimal I don't mind and also it makes me look at things while I'm in there. It is heavier but, that's OK, still not a boat anchor...lol .
Antenna thing, a tunable type would be what is needed I believe, I can't recall if the radio itself has an adjustment screw like some of the car radio's. You have to think about the wavelength formula Wavelength = wavevelocity frequency over frequency ie: the wavelength, the distance between the crests in meters (m)
the velocity of the speed of waves are moving in a direction in meter per seconds (m/s)
the frequency, the wave crests that go through a point in certain time cycles per second or hertz (cycles/s or Hz)
So in other words, for example purposes : The signal frequency used by the wireless data transmission station is 435MHz, and the wavelength is:
Wavelength = 300,000 kilometers/435MHz
= 300000000/435000000
= 300/435
= 0.69 meters
The corresponding optimal antenna length should be 0.69/4, which is equal to 0.1725 meters. When the length of the antenna is 1/4 of the wavelength, the reception conversion efficiency of the antenna is the highest.
Adjustable antennas have a coil that you can shorten or lengthen, just like an adjustable potentiometer in sort , think of it like a rheostat, almost like increasing or lowering the resistance sorta. You also have to take into account the impedance of the antenna cable or if that's too much, you could try a signal booster amplifier 12V.......lol 🙃
Be well.
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I think at 9:28 he means Heavy Duty, which I've never heard of. Harley-Davidson I've heard of, but I don't think he means that.
I think heavy duty battery has more cold crank amps than the standard battery. Good for cold starts.
@@gohjohan I would say you are right. But HD meaning Harley-Davidson, I think not in this case.
I have lithium in all my bikes except the new BMW and will change when that one needs replacement. Replaced the Harley battery with Lithium. Wow that was a big heavy battery. Only downside I know with lithium is when its cold they beed to be bumped to kind-of wake up. Not really an issue but can be if you don't know to do that.Good Stuff,.. Cheers!
Yeah, lithium batteries don't work well in the cold. Recharging will take much longer.
Regarding the low speed clutch problem, how about putting it in manuel shift using paddle shiffter and keeping it in 1st gear to avoid auto shifting, should solve the wearing out of the clutch.
I don't think that'd help. The clutch is still being slipped (by the computer instead of you), the gear it's in doesn't much matter there. Having said that, when I'm trying to slow-ride I usually do it in 2nd gear because the throttle's less touchy.
Hey Cruiseman
Cruiseman, I have a 2014 Valkyrie Gold Wing, are your service videos also applicable for my bike?
I just don't see how the bike can still be moving while you shut off the bike in your garage. I alway stop and put my sidestand down before I shut off the bike.
Products are generally designed to function in what right be considered "normal operation". Low speed training maneuvers done is not an issue. Doing dozens and dozens of these maneuvers is simply not normal operation. I can perform u-turn and similar actions without problem. I don't need (nor want) to do this time and time again. This behavior will NOT be encountered through normal daily operation. I might require a tight u-turn once a ride or maybe once a week. Yes, I have DCT and it's a very good technology. Because I can't do 125 practice turns is of no consequence to me and I actually would accept that this is outside "normal use" and therefore not covered by warranty. I applaud Honda for their stance in this regard. I also doubt this occurance will impact the owners or potential owners appreciation for the Goldwing DCT.
May I ask you a question about a lithium battery- I am seriously concerned about the battery catching on fire in high ambient heat conditions especially since I live in Australia 🇦🇺 where temperatures can exceed 45c , do you have any advice or opinion- there are a number of friends saying that they have issues with lithium batteries and have gone back to lead acid batteries, I would really appreciate your opinion.
Of course its abuse, I don't think it has to do with slow speed riding per say, more so hanging on the back brake whilst riding the clutch at elevated throttle CONTINUALLY. Do you have to tell any operator of any vehicle with a manual transmission not to riding the clutch, especially when holding the brake or using the clutch to hold on a hill. I don't understand why this is getting any airtime at all considering there are plenty of people out there doing slow speed riding on a 2018+ Goldwing. Too much brake I suspect in this instance with too much throttle whilst riding the clutch for too long. The best recipe for burning out ANY clutch.
I purchased a 2023 NC750X and it is perfect for me. I am 5'5" and have had the bike for 2 months. I put 5000 miles on it. I get 75 to 80 mpg. The worst I ever got was 72mpg. I am not sure how you got less than 50 mpg. The DCT is fantastic. I did not purchase it as an adventure bike. It is for FUN only. I liked it is so much I bought a second NC750X. Maintence is easy, not sure why you think it is not.
Hello Cruiseman!
I do not blame the rider for this situation, because practicing for skill proficiency is necessary for any bike! If that is an inherent problem for the DCT, I think Honda should publish a warning to all DCT owners/riders!!! I have found out through personal experience that mother Honda is not who she appears or is cracked up to be when it comes down to good customer support.
Loyal.
Heard through the grapevine that if your MC isn't equipped with a lithium ion battery from the factory, that you should go with a standard type of battery. Don't know the reason behind this school of thought.
The reason to shy away from a lithium battery is the amount of amps it will absorb during charging. When the lithium battery gets low, it will allow way more amps to rush into the battery to charge as fast as possible. This overloads the charging system of the motorcycle if it was not designed to handle it, causing damage. Since the '18+ Wings have lead acid batteries, it may, or may not suffer damage from trying to charge a lithium battery.
Hi Everyone, I have a 2023 DCT Bagger which is not one month old and has only done 300 miles. I've got trouble with the clutch overheating causing the warning light to come on and then the dashboard lights up like a christmas tree. The engine then cuts out and won't restart untill the clutch has cooled down which takes about 10 minutes. I've only been out twice on the bike and neither of the trips were at slow speeds. I'll keep you all posted as to what the dealership has to say.
I know this sounds basic, but have you checked the oil?
@@cruisemansgarage Hi and thanks for your suggestion. No I’ve not checked the oil. Is that the engine oil or the clutch oil? The dealership has said that there is an E P something or other due to be sent out the owners that might fix it. I think that they are clutching at straws but we’ll see what happens.
Excessive low speed maneuvering practice (which it sounds like this guy did) can wear out the clutch on any bike, especially one >800 lbs. I'd be willing to bet he was keeping the DCT in the partial friction zone by staying on the back brake for much longer than needed. Common sense tells you that's not good for the life of the clutch plates. If you did the same on a non DCT bike you'd get the same result. It's hard to tell the DCT is slipping the clutch, but it is, just don't force it to slip for so long that your clutch plates look like glazed Krispy-Kremes and you'll be fine.
Have we heard any more about the clutch issue?
I don't blame the rider for the DCT failure. What happens if you're in stop & go traffic for an extended period of time where you're lucky if you get out of second gear? Or people that work for NASA and have long lines at badging stations on launch day? I was looking at the Honda Rebel T DCT, but this changes everything. Thanks for the video!
Rebel T should be offered with a manual transmission.
I have heard on line that there are better aftermarket fairings and bags available. Do some research, then buy a standard Rebel.1100 with the 6 speed manual and add what works best for you.
Ya, I could always get a Memphis shades fairing.
The MCN battery article you referenced is several years old and Lithium batteries have improved. You're holding onto old hearsay and fear of something different. Several Lithium's now cost only about 20% more than an AGM. They are proven and work well in the GW. I've been using Lithium batteries in several bikes for over 12 years without issue. Finally, the Lithium batteries for vehicles are Lithium Iron, not Lithium Ion. Different battery compositions.
I am disabled and can not ride a two wheel motorcycle. Thinking about a trike. What would be a great easy trike to purchase. Have you heard anything about the 2024 goldwing
About the DCT clutch issue, I would assume when you are doing these low speed maneuver's that you are slipping the clutch. Every time you take off from a stop you will also be slipping the clutch, what is the clutch life just doing standard riding ? Any idea how many miles can we get on our DCT bikes before we have to replace the clutch's ?
Good question, and one that Honda should answer.
Can you give us a update on the Sean impulse helmet, thinking about buying one
I am planning to do an update later this coming week. Mostly, very happy with it. Only a couple of nits to pick.
I definitely agree that Honda can't really say the Goldwing DCT cannot say that the motorcycle was not designed for slow speed maneuvers. I'm thinking what would happen if you end up in a long line of traffic? How long can you ride slow before damage occurs? And if you can't practice safety related maneuvers, that should be a warning while you are shopping for the bike, warn the customer about this!
Honda replaced the first one for the slow-speed rider under warranty.... when he burned his second one within 3 weeks, they refused to pay for it.
Lithium Ion batteries do not perform well in the cold.
If the Goldwing DCT can't hold up under low-speed maneuvers imagine how the Africa Twin DCT will hold up?
It holds up amazing. I have over 25k miles between two different ones 2018 and a 2022. Stuck in sand and mud climbing sand hills high speed low speed zero issues so far.
How to make an internet buzz out of just one case of abuse… low speeds practice is a non issue, abusive use of the rear break is and will cause clutch overheating and if you ignore the warning and keep going you will cook the clutch, just common sense. Either allow more time for the clutch to cool down or use less rear brake and be more precise with the throttle.
I have the 2019 DCT , I have initialize the DCT clutch a number of times. It has continued shift erratically. Have not been able to get it in to the dealership. I haven’t been able to get an appointment for the last 2 1/2 months. Do you have any idea what make the bike continue to do it. I have been having this problem from the first week of having the bike. It has progressively gotten worse. Setting it back to the factory with initializing works for only about 10 miles. Oh yes the traction control light comes just before this happen, I need your help “Please”.
I can only think of a couple of "simple" solutions that might work. 1) Have you checked your battery? Shifting is controlled electronically and if you have a bad battery it could affect shifting. It is a long shot, but a new battery is a cheap fix. The traction control light is the key piece of evidence, but I have never heard of this before. I have heard of DCTs failing and dealers struggling to find the solution.
Most basic battery maintainers say they can't charge starting from a dead battery. They require some sort of minimum charge. I had this issue with a couple GL1800 batteries. Very frustrating and counter intuitive. Once I also picked one that would charge from dead, it was fine. So, its might not always be the battery.
Yes some have a safety override, like 'boost'-button and can start from a very dead battery. Mine has that and it will beep to inform you that the battery is very dead.
What would be the difference in practicing your skills vs being stuck in traffic for hours ? I would think the low speeds used for both would damage the clutch.
I don't think riding in traffic is quite the same. In practise work and because you are turning all the time you are dragging the rear brake to control the speed as it's the only way you can without a manual clutch. In stop start traffic you move and then you stop and when you do stop I think the transmission disengages the clutch saving it from dragging during the time you are stopped. Saying all that Honda don't have a leg to stand on with this and if it happened to my 2022 DCT I would drop on them from a high place. The bike isn't fit for purpose if it cannot be moved slowly and ridden in control around obstructions.
Robert,....in stop and go traffic, the clutch disengages, little to no wear. In the parking lot maneuvers, you are continually slipping the clutch by controlling your speed with the rear brake and you are continually wearing on the clutches. If you continue to rev the motor and hold it back with the rear brake, you will have a problem.
Always great!
By the way: is that a Scotch on your table?
Greetings from Germany......
He is drinking Crown Royal a Canadian brand. “Crown and Comments”:
@@SecurityBob Canadian Brand...... intresting...... I would prefer a Scotch, but i did not try the Canadian Brands yet; might be difficult, to get them in Germany
@@jurgenniklaus4046 If you have a Scotch and Comments session I think I would be interested. If that takes off well, you can call it Scotching Comments (sounds like Sorching Comments)
@@gohjohan i think i would not be half as good, like Chris is....... but a funny idea
For the DCT failure: what happens, if you are in a traffic delay on a highway with stop and go...... Will that give you a damage too?
I do that everyday, most of the time the faster I cant go is 10 males per hour. So far no problem at 6k miles on my 22 DC.
The only thing you want to avoid is revving while locking the brakes. Its not a sport bike. You can be in stop and go all day long, no worries. If I am at a stand still traffic in a hot day, She will go to N or I pull over. Stop and go, no issues for her. I throttle a bit, let go and brake, all day long!!! This DCT can take a lot more, trust me. I have 15k, zero issues....!!!
I believe you can get a manual transmission with the Gold Wing. I believe, with the info provided here, is the way to go with this bike.
Agree that a manual is the way to go. Jerry Palladino "Motor Man" has said that the DCT is difficult to control at low speeds because you can't modulate the clutch. I believe you can't buy a manual transmission GW for the 2023 model year, only the DCT version. Please correct me if I'm wrong
@@johnpflug1567 the 2023 Gold Wing Tour comes with Honda's wonderful 6-speed manual transmission
@@frankward8003 Thanks for the correction!
@@johnpflug1567 I've seen GW's forsale with manual transmissions. I've not seen the 2023 model year ads so I don't know if a manual is offered for 2023.
Jerry is correct that slow maneuvers on a DCT GW doesn't work well. Only guy that probably could make the DCT work in slow maneuvers is that CA guy that does lots of riding videos.
@@johnpflug1567 MotoJitsu could probably make the DCT work with slow maneuvers. He's probably the best riding instructor on youtube right now.
Have not seen the 2023 line up yet for the GW. Would be surprised if they didn't offer a manual. AND if you trash the DCT, Honda won't replace it. That's not good.
ANY Bike used in "parking lot practice " situations will require more maintenance than a normal rider. H Ds used in drill team work have Very heavy duty clutches , and will use a special brake fluid which has a higher boiling point. I have friends who do this stuff for recreation ! Often they don't use their daily rider ! If this gentleman wants to do parking lot manuvers all day he should buy a bike with a conventional clutch This one persons experience doesn't stack up against the multitudes who have never had a problem with DCT
do you miss manual transmission?
Not at all. I did for the first week, then never looked back.
There is a lot of clickbait regarding the DCT. There are lots of DCT riders that have put big mileage on their GWs that have never had a problem. If you look for a "problem" you will find it.
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Love your videos Cruiseman! Lithium batteries typically don't have enough cranking amps to start the engine. This especially applies to Car and truck batteries.
Lithium batteries can have over heating problems. The Boeing 787 uses Lithium batteries, after American Airlines almost lost an aircraft Boeing got busy addressing the issue. I don’t know why they did but they fixed it. That’s about all I know about this type of battery.
This is all bullcrap started a last Gen Goldwing rider..
Lithium ion batteries are not better than indestructible lead acid batteries. Lead acid batteries last for 8 years, provided that you keep them on a battery tender. Lithium ion batteries are not reliable. They claim to be very good, similar to LED light bulbs in your home. Remember that CFL bulbs lasted 10 or 15 years? Lithium ion batteries can suddenly lose their capacity for no reason, unexpectedly.
I think you missed the point on the video of low speed manuevers the guy that had the problem did not just go out and practice this this guy is an instructor so he was doing hrs and hrs of low speed manuevers and teaching a class so he wasnt doing what me and you would do us average riders would probably practice this for short periods of time over a long period this guy was doing a class and spending hrs and hrs of this process so this might be what honda was talking about he wasnt just an average rider practicing this every now and then so this might be a little different than an average rider
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I don’t think the guy was telling the truth. When was the last time anyone of y’all been to a motorcycle safety course? The instructors only demonstrate each exercise maybe 3 times. Then park their bike, and for the next 15-20 minutes, the students in the class are repeating that exercise. Then the instructor sets up the next exercise and demonstrates it 3 times. Their ride as an instructor during the course is maybe an hour each day at best with ~30 minutes of rest between demonstrations. It’s practically impossible do damage the clutches doing this. Now, if the person is practicing these exercises daily for an hour or so, then this practice would in fact cause accelerated and excessive wear on the clutches.
I believe, the rider burning up his clutches is doing excessive high speed launches from a stop. Essentially I believe he rides the bike as if each stop light is a drag strip.
Why does "One Rider"'s issue, all of a sudden become a general and wide spread HONDA issue? You are talking like this is something we all have to worry about. How many 2018+ GoldWings are out there that have experienced this problem? I think you need to reel in this rhetoric a little!!! Getting youtube hits at the expense of concerned GoldWing owners only serves... Oh Wait. NVM.
Keep in mind that 80% of owners don’t use social media or forums to share there problems, so this issue could be more known than what has been mentioned online.
I don’t think the guy was telling the truth. When was the last time anyone of y’all been to a motorcycle safety course? The instructors only demonstrate each exercise maybe 3 times. Then park their bike, and for the next 15-20 minutes, the students in the class are repeating that exercise. Then the instructor sets up the next exercise and demonstrates it 3 times. Their ride as an instructor during the course is maybe an hour each day at best with ~30 minutes of rest between demonstrations. It’s practically impossible do damage the clutches doing this. Now, if the person is practicing these exercises daily for an hour or so, then this practice would in fact cause accelerated and excessive wear on the clutches.
I believe, the rider burning up his clutches is doing excessive high speed launches from a stop. Essentially I believe he rides the bike as if each stop light is a drag strip.
Instructor/coach from 96-09 here, and I disagree.
Instructors have to continually practice in order to maintain their skills. I was taught that my goal was to ride "the perfect demo", and that only comes with practice. Apparently, practice sessions like these are where the clutch damage occurred. A close look at this guy's practice regimen is in order. Is he practicing individual exercises for too long? Is he not giving the bike enough chance to cool between exercises? Is there a flaw in his technique that can be corrected? Who knows?
@@tomboyd224 while I do agree with your statement, the more important issue is this. Honda really needs to do some extensive testing with the DCT doing these maneuvers. If the trend is leaning more and more towards putting DCTs in bikes, they really need to figure out how to better electronically control the clutch engagement to feather the clutch’s instead of fully engaging them in slow speed maneuvers. Might be as simple as using better materials and or adjusting the programming of the clutch engagement.
@@danaszalajeski4416: My suspicion is that Honda thinks that their clutches get more abuse thru stuff like burnouts and such, and that they test accordingly. Having said that, I wonder what's different design-wise with the DCT vs a manual. Perhaps the fact that there are two of them means that each of them were designed smaller, figuring they'd each handle around half the load, and they underestimated the needs. Then again, if the guy is really revving the engine hard against the rear brake, that might do it too. I fried a couple of GL1100 clutches that way, riding field events at rallies before I got into teaching. That's why I said I'd like to see how he practiced.
FWIW, I used a GL1500 and an '01 GL1800 as practice bikes when I taught, and I used them to ride demos during Experienced Rider Courses (we used the students' training bikes to demo Basic Rider Course exercises) and I also pulled a camper trailer to rallies and on vacations and never had a clutch problem with either bike (120K miles on the 1500, 175K on the 1800).
As the 'new' 2 years ago, owner of a 2010 model I started watching your You tube shows. I now feel it's time to quit following you on You tube completely. Since you got the 2018 (a completely different bike) there has been almost nothing of interest to me. I wish you well with your channel, but the only parts of your world I'll be keeping are the maintenance programs I bought.
Slow riding should not be the default cause of this DCT clutch problem. My 2023 1 month old Goldwing DCT Tour’s transmission went out after riding 26 miles after bring the bike home. Now Honda is replacing all the items listed below under warranty.
Parts#. Qty. Discretion
27312-MKC-A01 - 1.00 - GASKET, CLUTCH COVER
38610-MKC-A01 - 1.00 - SOLENOID, LINEAR
28660-RFH-013 - 2.00 - SENSOR, OIL PRESSURE
94520-40150 - 1.00 - CIRCLIP (INNER) (40)
91302-MGS-D20 - 1.00 - O-RING (35X2.2)
91344-PC9-004 - 1.00 - O-RING (29X2.4)
91311-PA9-004 - 2.00 - O-RING (7.7X1.9)
23215-MKC-A00 - 2.00 - COTTER, CLUTCH
22814-RGC-003 - 2.00 - RING, SEAL (21.2MM)
22815-MGE-D01 - 2.00 - RING, SEAL (28MM)
91306-MGE-D01 - 2.00 - O-RING (23.3X1.9)
91320-RT4-003 - 2.00 - O-RING (35.5X1.9)