Understanding Contemporary Pakistan through History: A Conversation with Ayesha Jalal
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- How historical decisions and circumstances have shaped the challenges Pakistan faces today?
Ali Cheema, Program Director, Center for Economic Research in Pakistan, hosted a discussion with the Tufts University Mary Richardson Professor of History, Ayesha Jalal at CDPR's Lahore Policy Exchange held on April 14, 2017.
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1. Ignoring the bengalis who were the majority.
2. The dominance of religious fundamentalist towards formulating Pakistani constitution.
3. Punjabaization of Pakistani administration..
These speaks a lot about Pakistan. I wish Madam Jalal would have been more honest and straight forward.
I wish to hear from her about the cultural and moral dilemma and dichotomy that is haunting Pakistanis..
Plus, the Urdu speaking immigrants who left India, flooded Pakistan & imposed Urdu everywhere. Thats why Karachi during partition had a diverse population i.e. Sindhi's, Parsi's, Christians - all these folks now, are in the minority there.
Punjabaization of pakistani administration and then islamisation of pakistan
SOUTH Asian scholars are pro jihadists. CIA is behind all of them
There was/is NO HILTON HOTEL in LAHORE!!
A masterclass in how to beat around the bush😂
If the power sharing formula was such a great idea why did Pakistan not adopt the same in Pakistan post separation???
Ayesha jalal bakery of half baked history
No one can change history and it's consequences. But we can learn from the past to improve our future. The partition did flare up tensions between hindus and muslims and it carries on to this day. The Pakistani establishment feeds on this animosity and cannot afford a resolution of issues between the two countries which would render them virtually powerless. But we need to somehow resolve the issues and stop being enemies. Only then can we prosper together. This region has potential to lead the world in prosperity ... If Europe can do it, why can't we?
I so agree with you. We are stuck in the middle age because our politicians lack the political will to grow technologically. So, they create an enemy to win elections.
Violence had erupted as a consequence out Jinnah's call if direct action and his attempts to destabilise Unionist Party Govt in Punjab.
Blame the system, and I am not sure what equal participation in the upper house of Pakistan with equal representation of provinces has given to the country
Madam, a major flaw in Mr Jinnah's thinking was that he never addressed the issue of conversion which extended over a long period of 1100 years. Mr jinnah's basic postulate was ; Hindus and muslims are 2 entirely different and opposite nations and can not live together ,and his entire politics started from this premise.
The failure of power-sharing arrangement (conflict of opinion between Quaid and the Congress) led to Pakistan
you have tried to summarize her thesis, but you've got it wrong. Not sure if it's an original effort or if you read it in a kunji.
When she mentions "power sharing", it's not a "conflict of opinion"; it was a disagreement about Muslim electorates and majority state identity within an undivided nation. The Muslim League (Jinnah's party) would maintain power by claiming a certain electorate, and so upholding the rights of Indian Muslims.
@@lazypops3117after reading your comments, it's apparent to me that, in fact you have lost the said kunji of your mind.
When I see the work and conversations in your institutions you sound like where India was in the 50s.
as an Indian, I have no illusions about the institutional farce of modern India too.
and frankly this conversation was academic n civilized, nothing like the fanaticism that runs politics in India today. what are you trying to compare?
@@lazypops3117as an i dian...?.which state ?.😂
speaking more like a useful idiot of ISI@@lazypops3117
Why was muslim league not secular? Is secularism only for Hindus? U should write a book on this.
This was largely as a reaction to Congress’ decision to start mobilising behind religious symbols. Jinnah is on record having warned Gandhi against supporting the Khilafat movement so as to not bring religion into politics so I think your comment is historical and unfair.
@@thefishtruck So according to ur logic ,Jinnah who gave two nation theory is a secular person..
Wah mere Madrasachap.!
@@guruaus2659bey gadhe, as an Indian Hindu I will try to educate you. the rest of the work is for you to do, if you have the brains to do it.
the Hindu mahasabha was NOT secular either, so don't take credit for great men like Tagore and Gandhi and call it Hindu benevolence.
it is also nonsensical to ask why a political PARTY is not secular. A nation is secular, and parties function within it, to represent local populations. Indian parties like SP, BSP, shiv Sena and of course your beloved BJP are not secular either.
As for Jinnah. as a lawyer he WAS secular, despite your hate filled propaganda making this seem unbelievable. bachpan se sirf ignorance hi sunte hotao to yahi hota hai.
His demand under the Muslim League were that Indian Muslims be granted separate electorates, to ensure their representation.
As for the 2 nation theory, it was NOT interested in partition, as Jalal clearly explains. it was about electoral autonomy for Muslim majority regions, not a division into 2 Nations. we may disagree with this plan, but AT LEAST try to use your mind to understand reality.
otherwise stay stuck in your Modi madrassa of ignorance. buddhi sikhai nahi ja sakti. 🙏
Why intelligent pakistani are not doing something to change? Everybody wants a stable neighbor.
Ayesha, the sole spokeswomen of Jinnah... covering his misadventures...
Jalal is a great erudite and sage. She has a strong grip on Pakistan 🇵🇰. She is postmodern, constructs the plausible points that history hasn't shown us but are present in history. Her stance on Jinnah is also sensible and much valid than that of ISHTIAQ. she is an intelligent lady that Pakistan has ever produced, not in fact Pakistan but Pakistan is proud of her. jalal's perspicacity is commendable; she analyzes things in their context and makes plausible arguments that no one has ever made, or no one was able to see the depth of history that she has seen. In addition, She is also an eloquent, beautiful, and dazzling lady, and all young historians should consider her mentor.
I don't know much about her. But i admire madam asma jahangir the most
Let's not compare Ayesha Jalal with Ishtiaq Ahmed. Terms like erudite, sage do not just extend. Lack of discipline training in scientific research is absent in Ahmed. There is not a You Tube channel he does not like. Almost every interview I have seen are full of errors and made with a view of pleasing the largely schadenfreude-motivated viewers.
@@balakuntalamsridhar578920:00 🎉😂😢
LOL
The power sharing terms are unacceptable.
Why so
because you agree with nehru-gandhi or modi-savarkar? the number of educated idiots in our 2 countries is incredible
This is a discussion which avoids the main issues and talks about trivial matters
She is the wife of the TMC leader. Her Husband and her Sister-in-law are in an information warfare
sugata basu's wife i think.
HI Ayesha. What is arrangements of power sharing for Muslim in US?. If there is none, pls go back to Pakistan.
Please go back to India you fake Zionist
@@LylieRandale Sorry Jihadi. Please don't blast your self dreaming of 72 virgins🤣😂
what an ugly ignorant comment, ignorant mind.
power sharing between political parties, not religious communities. at least understand the argument, smartass.
The more I hear Ms Jalal talk the more I feel she is delusional. Does she think, Pakistan should have received two thirds of resources of pre partition India? She has got to be crazy.
Ms Jalal, BJP has a government in east i.e. Assam, and has had a government in South i.e. Karnataka .... get your facts right...
Madam jangi kaum parliamentary democracy me nahi rah sakti.
And if you want to talk about the reasons for the formation of Pakistan, it was just the demand of separate electorate on the basis of religion, actually 1/3 of total parliamentary seats and state assembly seats, reservation for Muslims in government jobs demanded by a particular religion of aasmaani kitab. It was the hunger of power of jinna and other Muslim leaders which led to creation of Pakistan and good for us we got rid of Muslim tyranny.
Jinnah's demands for parity, if that's Wyatt she calls power sharing, were not just entirely unrealistic and unjustified, but were also against any notion of representative government and totally unjust to Hindus and the whole of India. Jinnah bit more than he could chew or swallow. Now she is crying about what Jinnah got. He got what he deserved.
power sharing between parties, not communities. Separate electorates to guarantee representation, not parity of voter numbers.
Her argument is that Jinnah did not want partition, and that's not a difficult argument to understand. 🙏
Ms Jalal, got to hit the bet around the 40's minute ... just count the number of times you have involuntarily compared and admired India... kind of throwing mud over Jinnah's grave... Neither intellectual nor honest
Puri history distort krke bta rhi h ye aunty
A jaahal Punjabi or Pathan won't become a refined and civilized human merely by speaking in English.
Yes it’s fact that Hindu leaders weren’t ready for sharing power in senate and weren’t ready to hold a single federal in Hindustan that’s why Jinnah fight for the rights of minorities even today Hindus are choosing government of MODI which is totally against the minorities. Hats off to Jinnah a sole spokesman.
What's wrong if indians elected modi as their PM? He is elected, not selected. Agar vo anti minority hai toh India me government schemes ka sabse jada benefit minorities ko kyu milta hai like housing scheme, direct bank transfer, gas connections? it is a revolution in india and dream for pakistanis. Can you give me one example of his anti minority law? In fact majority ke paiso se minority clerics aur religious schools ko paisa milta hai but majority ko nai milta. Minority can administer their institutions but majority cannot, minority have their own personal laws in India and it is laughable in a secular country, they can hold highest position in India & they did. Indians are also quite liberal coz we have elected muslims parliament members but you don't. BTW pakistan ki majority ko konse rights mil rhe hai boss? thanks to your coward establishment. it is such a banana republic where every institution is a mockery. i can proudly say that indian muslims have better standard of living and opportunities than pakistani muslims
Why do the Muslims still live in India when they got their beloved Pakistan in 1947??? Why don't they go away? That is the real issue.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv Really that is the question that comes into your mind? typical Mullah, BJP mentality
True Ayesha Jalal need no introduction coz of her flawed and biased history writing based on no facts
How wrong are her statistics . Pakistan and Bangladesh are each less than Mahrashtra in economic size ! Yes .
i think she was talking about loksabha seats, UP have 80, MH have 48
Ayesha,
a. the book isnn't by Dharampal but by Dhulapala
b. Having read the book, Venkat has proven beyond doubt that Muslims of India wanted more than what they deserved
c. Jinnah wasn't democratic by a mile all he is directorial and a pretend fanatic Muslim
d. Usmani who was the first Sheik Ul Islam of Pak , didn't want a secular state
e. it wasn't Ayub, but Jinnah who wanted to align with American's
f. i am not sure what are you referring to federalism in India, but the "hostage population theory" as proposed by Jinnah has been a total failure, other than in Kashmir where state sponsored is making life's of muslims terrible
g. Nehru was from Kashmir, and Ms Jalal there are more than required muslims in UP
wow you missed every point of her argument. congratulations.
thank you for your numbered list of irrelevant facts. 🙏
@@lazypops3117 Name the missed arguments ?
Biased schooler.......
Her narration half false and half fabricated
As history is always that to be,half truth half fabricated.
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