A conversation with Ayesha Jalal: Pakistan Day and the path forward for the country
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- Dr. Ayesha Jalal discusses the way forward and how the diaspora in the US can play a role in keeping the spirit of the Lahore Resolution alive.
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According to this lady...
First pakistan invented a division based on religion and asked(created) a country out of india.
now after watching the misery of pakistan, Pakistani's are asking india to live and cooperate with pakistan 😂😂
First Pakistani created a nation on the basis or religion and divisiveness and now asking Indians to live in harmony and peace with Pakistani's 😂😂😂
Pakistanis are the most tolerant people in the world.
Usually I hear Hindu baniya, Hindu Kaffir, Ghazwa-e-hind, lal qile par jhanda phrases on Pakistani discussions. These are all phrases of love and tolerance.
Also see how Pakistanis have treated Hindus, bengalis, Shias, Balochs, Pashtuns, Sikhs, Parsis, Jews, Christians, Ahmadis, and now Afghans. No one will call Pakistanis intolerant.
The Pakistan intellectuals leave a lot desired in terms of rational thinking, critical analysis. It demonstrates why Pakistan wasted the independence gifted to them by Indian Congress leaders. sad.
Only if Ishtiaq Ahmed was here!
He get's too personal. He's arguments are basically 20% and emotions are 80%. That's why, plus he appeals to very partial view of History through a Political Science lens. Not much of a bright. If you want a feel good History of sub-continent. Go for Ishtiaq Lahori aka Ishtiaq Ahmed. If you want a rigorous academic view of History, go for Dr. Ayesha Jalal. Though Dr. Yaqoob Bangash and Dr. ilhan Niaz are brilliant when it comes to South Asian History.
@@ZAIN9858precisely, Ishtiaq sb is almost polemical about history. He simplifies a lot and at the end of each talk, one's left with a black and white view of history.
But those stances appeal to the schadenfreude of many of his Indian viewers.
The good Professor speaks: th-cam.com/video/4v-c8ObOwv8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=h1BeSt4vHspQfqtX
The god for jinnah haters!
As the sole spokesperson of Jinnah, Ayesha performed the unenviable task of putting the cloak of 'federalism' over the communal agenda of Muslim League admirably, even if hysterical at times. Her defence of the dismissal of NWFP government and imposition of Urdu ran counter to her general arguments in favour of anti-colonialism and federalism. Ayesha seems inclined to externalize the complexities and gravity of the problems faced by Pakistan by characterizing them as regional problems. How do you explain the different political and economic trajectories of the other nations in the region? That is one question she is intent on ducking .Why?
She has no choice bro. Her entire reputation resides on that thesis. If she agrees to it herself, she will not be invited to any such forums in the future
what a wonderful analysis. You have aptly described her modus operandi - 'putting a cloak of federalism over the communal agenda of Muslim League'
An eminent scholar. Her command of the subject is excellent. Thank you for uploading. Thank you to the forum, to invite her. If we are to learn from our history, we need to open our minds and have more of such discourse. 😊😊 excellent.
LAHORI CHURAN 😂
She is just ordinary muslim insane personality.
It’s amazing how the group entirely sidesteps Islam after 76 years of Islamic Republic … what a joke. Also why do these guys need India and Modi to make any point worth its cent ?
Also her comments on India is so influenced by her husband - ex education minister of TMC
What a waste
Indeed no one wants to look at the elephant in the room, the one and only 📕 What a farce❗️
Odd, Muslim league is not right-wing extremist but hindu mahasabha is! I would think that they were mirror images of each other. Ayesha Jalal wants to love Jinnah, so it seems like she is trying hard to justify everything by putting bad things on circumstances and other external factors and pulling up the slightest good as amazing acts. This is exactly how I behave with my subject in academia. hahaha
What's annoying is they are so fixated on partition, it's been 75 years for God's sake. And on right wing extremist issue, this thought is only extension of what Congress portrayed in post Independence historiography, propped up by nehruvian academics, used by pakistani academics, as it serves their purpose too. Got their theocratic state and don't come off as bad guys either lol.
Name one leader of hindu mahasabha who had secular views! muslim league had jinnah, who did HM have?
@@AnnieZehra Jinnah had secular views that is the reason he made an Islamic nation, literally torn out of the secular fabric of India . You must realise that the act of carving out of Pakistan, not only damages Pakistan, but also the secular nation that remained. It makes the extremists on the other sides in India a voice! He wasn't secular, he was just playing around with the religious sentiments of the gullible without himself having any affinity to his religion. If he was secular, he would never get religion into politics, that is exactly the opposite of secular. He destroyed Pakistan anyway, but he also did a lot of damage to India.
lol, he didnt make an islamic country, pakistan wasn't an islamic republic until 1970s. Get your facts straight! And you still haven't answered my question!@@goodsong_views
@@AnnieZehra Sure here is your answer, Hindu Mahasabha was an exact mirror image of Muslim league and Jinnah was not a secular. India is a secular country, not Pakistan.
Jinnah's words "Pakistan does not mean just independence and sovereignty. It means [an] Islamic ideology that we have to safeguard; it has been conveyed to us as a valuable gift and a treasure.”2 On November 2, 1942, while addressing students at Muslim University in Aligarh, in reference to the proposal to partition the Indian subcontinent, he said: “Let me live according to my history in the light of Islam, my tradition, culture, and language, and you do the same in your zones [of activity].
Learn to get over idolising Jinnah and accept his follies! It is ok to be human
Ms Jalal could have also explained the benefits of Direct Action Day in formation of Pakistan and personality of Jinnah.
None of the so called pakistani schollars touches that horrific events. All are communal and hypocrites.
@1:10:45 Answer from a Hindu - Bharat would have looked better if we had no invasions. Bharat would have looked better if there were no Muslims. Bharat would have looked better if we had complete population exchange. Bharat would have looked better if there was no Pakistan
If there is no Muslim invasion, there would not be any Pakistan. If there is no Pakistan, there would not any requirement of population exchange. If we had population exchange the refugees would be better off.
I casually bumped into this video and Bro with utmost respect going through a answer from a "Hindu", i think you don't get her point or you haven't watched the whole think tank conversation.First of all diaspora of South Asians have to come up with solutions and secondly partitions are in the mind though, everyone have to come up with solutions to regain our lost glory like Britain used to drool looking prosperity of "Sub-continent" pause.
This is such a terrible talk. I have felt like throwing up on this woman now that Prof Ishitiaq has called her a fake. Sorry to see Atlantic Council wasting everyone’s time here.
Atlantic Council is part of US deep establishment.
Pak(and this fake narrative) are useful for them. To be used against us Indians as leverage, and geopolitically otherwise.
They'll never invite Dr Ishtiyaq Ahmed as the truth undercuts their diktat.
It is surprising to me that she is in one of the most influential public policy schools in the world!
*Pak has become a prisoner of it's own narrative!*
India is now more than 10 times bigger in GDP than Pakistan... and in another 20 years India will be 40 times bigger than Pakistan.
This problem called Pakistan will simply dissolve with time!!
*South Asia has now become defunct!*
It is now known as the Indian Sub-continent which is part of the larger Indo-Pacific region.
*Pakistan is now part of the AfPak region!*
It is that troubled region which sits between middle east, central asia and indian sub-continent.
Though it is not fair to malign Afghanistan by linking it to Pakistan...
Check out the title if the talk, all this fake has done is share her well hackneyed views on India, but never mention why this born a day later is so much successful. In India we have probably accepted and moved away from Partition. Listening to this historian and implementing her fancies will make us a historical nation.
Jinnah's defence for imposing Urdu in Bangladesh just shows he doesn't believe in diversity. By that logic the same thing could be said to India which has many languages and cultures. Jinnah intrinsically feared of having different cultures with different languages wouldn't be able to exist peacefully. To quote Jinnah, "It is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality."
Also, "Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs and literary traditions. They neither intermarry nor eat together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions."
In short Jinnah doesn't think a nation with diversity could function. Coupled to this Jinnah didn't had any strategy to further the new state of Pakistan which was made in 1947. This shows by lack of constitution till 1956 and Jinnah himself said, "The Constitution of Pakistan is yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly, I do not know what the ultimate shape of the constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam."
Islam is not democratic. It says,”when the sacred month is passed kill the idol worshippers anywhere you can find”. Is this democratic ??????
Funny! None of them lives in Pakistan.
Give credit for founding Pakistan to Gandhi Nehru. They were real founder.😊
She loves Jinnah; so she is making up everything to justify Jinnah. She should have a debate with Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Sir. This
Was supposed to be about Pakistan..how come we talk about India about the same amount of time as Pakistan .Also I know you got a historian so I understand you wanted to discuss 75 years and back .
I just came to this because of Uzer as I respect his words but listened to one hour about the past and nothing about the present and future
It was a waste of my one hrs listening to Ayesha Jalal, she is over fascinated with Mr Jinnah, she has no answer for present problems in Pakistan. Secondly she has not uttered a word on the mullah regime which is the main failure of Pakistan.
Only an Indian would invite Jalal, who has an Indian spouse, to talk about Pakistan on Pakistan Day. An echo chamber.
Love hate relationship between Jalal and Jinnah, this would have been the perfect title for this video 😂
Sad Djinnah lost his life to a Paki ambulance driver. Said to be from Pakjab regt.
My god how can this lady includes India with other Islamic south Asian countries? She should talk more about Islam and not dream of Pakistan without boarders with India.
Sir, one has to move on from the trauma of 1947. The 3 countries of Indian subcontinent are a reality and each one has to find its own path and destiny and not end up in bickering and despondency.
Uzair Younus looks bamboozled by Ayesha Jalal :D
Ayesha Jalal sure has a lit to say about india!! Wow ... clearly, she is a historian of tge ilk that turns me against history. i like Ishtiaq Ahmed !!
Pakistan day 😂 same as Kalashnikov day😅
So much feku.
Am I only the one who is still finding Ayesha Jalal to be beautiful?
Yes, you need glasses al musalman ul kabab.
Not ur fault, some people are born to appreciate 💩 looking ugly face making, raped and converted begairat behaya ghasti mughaliya bitches 😂😂😂
Yes yes and don’t bother about any glasses tinted or otherwise 🤣
Have you gone mad or blind????
Teddy cheemu is also here wow.
Bunny 🐰 Kheema never misses a free lunch😃
Is she ignorant about India and Hindus?
That's why education is important. Writing left to right or from right to left, only Urdu in the sub-continent follows Arabic-like fashion to write right to left, else all are like Indo-European, left to right. Open your eyes out of Arabic and Farsi.
It was not freedom, it was creation. Please read: Freedom at midnight, Pakistan a hard country-not by Pakistani, Pakistan beyond crisis state-mostly Pakistani writers. You will be enlightened. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
Atlantic council what are you doing ..... Going intellectually bankrupt by calling such people..... Ishtiaq ahmed has already exposed her ..... U must jave called him.
lady just lie all the time
But does it with all the pomp she can muster😆
Temporary nation
Majoritism &minoritism are coined in modern time. Hindus&muslims are the words used then
Gobbledygook about language. Not a linguist.
Political entity of India has 350 different languages. Do they have a single cultural entity.
Was 1857 a war of independence?
Strange she talks about partitioning mind and in another interview I heard she talk about India becoming Islamic state in 2047. She is quite disappointing and seems dishonest also.
Does not seem to understand the evolution of political consciousness and political movement and process.
*Pak has become a prisoner of it's own narrative!*
India is now more than 10 times bigger in GDP than Pakistan... and in another 20 years India will be 40 times bigger than Pakistan.
This problem called Pakistan will simply dissolve with time!!
*South Asia has now become defunct!*
It is now known as the Indian Sub-continent which is part of the larger Indo-Pacific region.
*Pakistan is now part of the AfPak region!*
It is that troubled region which sits between middle east, central asia and indian sub-continent.
Though it is not fair to malign Afghanistan by linking it to Pakistan...