HOW TO DECIDE BETWEEN MAZDA CX-90 and TOYOTA GRAND HIGHLANDER
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- How do you decide between the all-new Mazda CX-90 or the Toyota Grand Highlander? Automotive Engineer David Chao feels that these two vehicles represent some of the best 3-row SUVs in the market, yet they have different strengths and weaknesses. David provides engineer's insights and details about the CX-90 and the Grand Highlander, so that you can decide which one is the right vehicle for you.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, engineering, and strategy. With over 35 years of engineering experience, David is able to review vehicles from unique perspectives utilizing technical and specialized methods. David is a board member and a director at AJAC (Automobile Journalist Association of Canada).
David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean/Agile Thinking, and travels all around the world to review vehicles and teach latest engineering methods. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I'm very impressed with the CX-90. I've owned several Hondas and several Mazdas and only 1 Toyota (1st generation Celica ST).... Although I know that Toyota makes possibly the most reliable cars in the world, in general I find them lacking in charisma. Mazda is my current favorite car brand.
Couldn't agree more. I have owned Toyota, Mazda and Honda and Mazda just does it right....blows them away IMO.
generally I would agree. I always passed up the Toyota when I was buying a new car. But after the Grand and Crown, I am now a Toyota fan....also a Lexus fan. I always loved the look of the mazda. Classy yet sheik. But every time I test drove one, I found it to be noisy. One of the reasons I never bought a Toyota RAV is for that cabin noise. Mazda was the same for me but maybe now it's different. I was looking for an NX or RX hybrid Mazda equivalent. Sadly they don't really have a hybrid in those models yet. If Mazda made a mid size hybrid like with the CX-90 interior, I'd be 80% sold. Only thing that holds me back is resale value and possibly some reliability since Lexus has them beat.
@@joelgarcia3907hell no. Toyota are wayyyy noisier
Cope.
I've viewed several of your videos now and I have to say I'm impressed. You're knowledgeable. Your explanations are easy to understand, concise, and not overly technical.
Great evaluation of both vehicles. I was going to get the Grand Highlander max, but wasn’t impressed with the interior, and I really loved my 2017 Highlander hybrid 6 cylinders ( was totaled in accident) So after seeing many reviews of CX 90 PHEV, I test drove one , and WOW was impressed with interior, and exterior. Drove on interstate plenty of punch to pass slower vehicles, but then when I put in sports mode, this became a different vehicle, reminds me more of sports sedan characteristics. But what really pushed me towards Mazda CX90 PHEV was the $7500 credit off MSRP if you lease it and no penalty if you pay off lease early. So I placed my order for CX90 PHEV and saved $1000s. Other note the CX90 PHEV gets much better mpg in hybrid mode vs GH and much cheaper than GH. My only issue is how dependable will this Mazda be down the road.
love the gap measurement, not many general buyers will look into that detail of quality and refinement, keep it up!
I wish these were available when i was buying last year! Both are very appealing and I found your review to be well balanced and reasonable. I appreciate the seriousness you bring to your work.
I absolutely love the reviews.
I cross shopped a regular Highlander with the CX-9 (not 90) and I ended up with the Cx-9. The highlander feels huge in comparison. A lot more room inside. But there's no way the Highlander can take corners at the speeds that I do in the Mazda. Just no way. One is a sporty crossover and the other is mom's minivan. I'll let you guess which one is which.
I have had my CX90 for almost 5 months and I love it. the power of the 6 cylinder is very smooth. I have been driving from the interior of B.C. to Vancouver and back and it handles outstanding. Fuel mileage on my trips has been 9.5L per 100 k at speeds of 120 to 140 kph.. Way better than my older CX9. Love the wireless Apple car play. Takes a bit to get used to the engine shutting off at 120kph.Never have owned a Toyota but I am sure it is a great vehicle.
Did you pay less than MSRP?
The engine shuts off? Huh? Please explain.
hybrid engine
Thanks David very informative I would chose the CX 90.
great review.. I really enjoy my Mazda CX-90 Turbo S PP!
Great review. Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed insight. I’m glad to see Mazda is on par with the best of them and getting better and better. Not only is Mazda‘s handling and overall quality top notch but I love their exclusivity if you will. With Toyota and Honda, you see yourself coming and going everywhere. With Mazda you get an awesome vehicle and something unique on the road.
… and in the repair shop! 🤣
I have.
A Mazda CX90 Turbo S preferred and I love it.I've got almost six thousand miles on it. It's a lot of fun to drive
Having owned numerous vehicles from a variety of manufacturers I can summarize things in one word... TOYOTA!!!
But TOYOTA MADE IN JAPAN. not the US made
Made in US vs Japan is just convincing enough to buy Mazda..
Great timing for comparing these two. Wife is considering these. Will look forward for the next videos
David, thank you very much for the extensive time, attention, and detailed coverage of all of the areas of both vehicles. You have made it very easy for me to decide which vehicle to purchase by showing the differences in the two. The Grand Highlander leads in areas that are the most important to me.
I currently own a Acura MDX 2011 with SH-AWD with 300HP. My Acura experience was amazing for my purchase at the time. I just recently test drove the Acura A-spec 2023 with 788 miles off a lease and the car is only a year old, poor quality of interior suede and leather mix on the seats ages horribly. The interior is ok but in comparison to my 2011 leather and real wood accents it looks like crap. The rims were also chipped with such little miles. Salesman got me into the MDX Advance, nothing advanced about it other than it was more money and just as underwhelming and unimpressive. When i got in, the interior was bland, lots of gimmicky features that are useless. I haul a family of 6 with luggage, so the car has to have great handling when off road and on the pavement. The SH-AWD makes a huge difference when driving in the snow or rain, my 2011 has a city driving if 16 MPG and 20.5 Highway but i have a hell of an engjne that has lots of low end torque. I assume the 2023 MDX which 4th generation of my car would have been amazing but instead no performance, overpriced, engine underwhelming and the safety features like the side-mirrors were actually smaller than those of my 2011 MDX but the car is actually 6 inches longer. The brake pedal was mushy and the comfort,normal or sports mode settings are nothing but a placebo button. The sports plus mode opens the throttle but that is it. In summary , i am no longer a fan of Acura. Specifically when you are spending $65k of my hard earned money. The one thing i found amazing about the safety features which would be awesome to have from the highlander platinum is the rear view camera mirror. That is extremely helpful when driving with 6 passengers and cargo and you have nice rear view. By pressing a button on the mirror, the rear mirror becomes a camera, that provides a clear view of what is behind you, just like when the car is empty and your ciew is bot obstructed. That should be standard in every SUV with 6 or more passengers.
I am not going to lie, i am also looking at an used BMW X5, as for the highlander i am Looking at a 2022 model because of the 6cyl engine which naturally aspirated.
Many thanks!
Hope you won't be needing to pass anyone on a 2 lane road with 3 passengers.
Couldn’t agree more on the poor materials in Acura’s. I have a 2008 TL with 128k miles. All leather seats have badly cracked. As I remember the cracking started when the car was only 6/7 years old. Other interior materials also didn’t age well, which makes the car looks like a 30 year old. The car also has been slowly leaking engine oil for at least 5 years and one major mechanical failure when it was only 85k miles. My 2009 mazda CX9, also bought new , leather and interior still looks excellent after 15 years with 150K miles, and not a single mechanical issue.
Once again David, great analysis that helps the viewer accurately choose, or begin to decide which is a better fit for them. 24:59
Thanks David! I've looked at both and still considering both. Leaning toward Mazda, mostly because I have driven a CX-9 for the last 12 years. The interior on the lower trim levels is far superior in the Mazda. The Toyota upper level trims are good. I love the Mazda driving dynamics. It drives smaller than it is, the Toyota does okay. Best (exaggerated) analogy I can think of is if you want to drive like you're sitting in a recliner or on a comfortable couch, get the Toyota. If you'd rather be driving a sports car, get the Mazda.
The Toyota will probably have better resale but the Mazda will give you more bang for the buck up front. Toyota quality and reliability is legendary, Mazda has improved greatly. As first year models, they both will likely have bugs that need to be worked out. Given Toyota's history there will probably be fewer issues with it.
The color on the CX-90 looks awesome.
Toyota has really fallen off their quality with all the models and with a rapid expansion in manufacturing plants.
My 2012 Prius was awesome but my 2020 RAV4 might as well have a colony of chipmunks living in it. Squeaks and rattles, poor panel alignment causing doors to stick and the dealership just dismisses the issues. My cousin bought a 2023 rav and it didn't have Freon in it. After sitting with the dealership for hours they accepted the issue and fixed it. Such a basic quality check missed.
What is your recommendation for a TWO-row SUV. I have been following the release of the Toyota Crown Signia, but I am concerned about the low headlight placement, and absence of a spare tire.
MIght be important to differentiate between longitudinal/RWD based layout vs transverse/FWD based.. The cars now are so good that most people might not be able to tell the difference. Underneath the vehicle is where you start to see differences in design/thought process, and where companies often cut corners.
Easy the answer is Mazda CX90
1st and most important and game changer is MADE IN JAPAN (not American low quality made)
2nd: 6 cylinders
3rd: rear wheel drive
4th: analogue gauge clusters
Tell the UAW that.
USA makes shitty cars, lazy factory works with no pride in craftsmanship. Tesla made in usa Crap... quality build
"1st and most important and game changer is MADE IN JAPAN (not American low quality made)" -- And yet the latest Highlander and Grand Highlander have much higher reliability ratings than the CX-90 (which already had repeated recalls). So much for bullshit stereotypes. BTW, between the two, I would like take the CX-90, but I am not delusional about the automatic reliability superiority of Japanese built.
I need something more all weather-ready ... can you talk about Honda Pilot vs Subaru Ascent? Reliability, etc? Cheers!
Resale is worth it alone with the Toyota. If I’m buying a used car no way I’m buying a Mazda with 60k miles on it and on the flip I wouldn’t think twice about buying a Toyota with 75k miles on it.
Mazda cx90. For one, it doesnt drive like a minivan. 2. RWD-AWD + i line 6. 3. More luxurious interior and exterior. 4. Handles and drives like a $100,000 BMW. 5. Mazda Reliablity. 6. It just looks better... style and finish and road presence. I bought a Turbo S P P. It is awesome.
I heard that many cx9/90 have sensitive wheel bearing, it could be damaged at daily driving
@@graceli1878 sure
@@graceli1878People hear a lot of stuff don’t they?
That’s funny. No it doesn’t. If you want a BMW get a 3 year old X5.
@@gordonschiff3621 hell not... endless money pit. Absolutely not
easy...do you want a 6 cylinder in your 3-row vehicle or a buzzy 4-banger?
Which has a V6? Do you mean inline 6? And is the turbo 4 really “buzzy”?
@@ALMX5DP yes, i edited the comment, good catch. 6 cylinder*
yes, all 4 bangers are buzzy when they’re pulling heavier vehicles
@@JokerG16 David’s review of the GH seemed to suggest it was quite smooth. He did note it was a little louder than the outgoing V6 but I do not remember him making any mention of it being buzzy or similar.
The CX90 looks gorgeous. IMO a closer comparison is the Highlander as both don't have much 3rd row space. I like the PHEV too! I chose the TX550H+ though... I owned a 2005 Mazda6, it was nice, but the Camry would have been a better choice for lack of repairs. A few oddball problems developed in my Mazda about 5 years after owning it, which didn't happen on my Venza.
You choose the wrong car. All toyotas lack charisma and driving enjoyment. Cx90 turbo spp blows it out
@@mbenton6, I LOVE my RX450H+ and the TX will just be a larger version of that with the V6 mated to the PHEV Powertrain.... How could I go wrong? The CX does look nice and I did enjoy the drive of my Mazda6... but the overall quality wasn't as good as Toyota. I like the idea of an inline 6 Turbo, but Fuel economy is more important to me than fast for my every day driver.
@mbenton6 you seem a little salty, your cx90 must still be in the shop for those transmission issues.
The interior of the Mazda is absolutely beautiful and much nicer in design than the Toyota. This becomes more apparent when you see the Mazda in the top trim package with the white leather interior.
Must not have seen the GH Plat in portobello.
I bought a GH XLE just last month and i hate to say that my car is in the dealership waiting for a new turbo charger as the turbo wastegate remain closed and check engine light cane on twice made my car unsafe to drive. My car just made 800kms and this happened. This was a dream come true vehicle for me and just really upset about it.
You Should have bought The cx90
Hi David, what about cx 90 phev?
I have the cx90 phev and I feel like they dropped the ball on it. Memory mirrors should be integrated together. The seat belt alarm doesn’t shut off even when the vehicle is in park. You have to turn it off to get it to stop. The backup exterior alert should also be able to be disabled as it is extremely annoying. The intermittent wipers are only speed adjustable when on auto mode. Other than a few more bugs it’s a great vehicle. I was really wanting the grand highlander but there was an 18 month waiting list for the hybrid.
Thank you, David! If money were no option would you go with the TX 550 with the 6-cyl or the CX-90? Which cabin is quieter?
If you aren't the kind of person who has money lying around, Grand HL is a better choice. It is time tested, sells a lot, most issues are identified and rectified. However, CX90 is new, no one know what issues may emerge in a year or two. I own a Mazda 3 and I absolutely love it. Touch screen thing is not really a issue, using the knob is so much easier and practical and also keeps the screen clean. I am inclined to buy 3row SUV as my second car.
Well the Gran Highlander is a new vehicle, actually a whole new platform for Toyota, so I wouldn’t say is been tested, now the difference in between the Highlander and G Highlander are night and day and they share a lot of components. Can’t speak for the Mazda.
Nah....Mazda is just about as reliable as this point so think this is a moot point. The Grand Highlander is basically a brand new vehicle as well.
20:13 look at the limited view out the rear window!
Great review. Need the larger space and we have had great luck with Toyota so picking up our Grand highlander tomorrow.
It drives nothing like the cx90
David, thank you very much for this review. These two SUVs are at the top of my list (along with Honda Pilot/Acura MDX). Do you know what the differences are between the 280 hp and 340 hp I6 engines? In other words, is it *just* ECU, or are there different parts (bigger turbo, different intake/exhaust, etc)? Thank you again! You didn't mention that the CX90 is RWD-based. To some people, that makes a difference.
I know of someone who owns MDX, and when they wish they had wauted for the GH. The specs that come with the GH is incredible. Digital key, more space, over the air updates, and many more that cx90 doesn't come with. I got myself a GH limited hybrid AWD and I love it.s quiet, roomier, more space and it feels like luxury. I will highly recommend the Grand highlander.
@@yawk1683 did you pay less than MSRP? How easy was it to get?
@gosman949 I paid msrp, nothing more nothing less. Some few additions like the panoramic moonroof/view monitor, etc got me to approximately 55k.
How do you prefer the Ford Explorer ST 3.0L TTV6 vs Mazda CX-90?
Can’t beat this grand hilander No day it total perfection
You never mention Torque numbers , where Mazda is simply better set up for SUV where Torque is far more important than horsepower.
Than you drove Mazda on 275 45 21rims and Grand Highlander on much plushier set up so it made GH even softer .
If you prefer softer ride get 19" on a Mazda with 55 profile and 265 width tires.
Also fuel economy is very close and in real life CX90 with its electric assist engine maybe more economical .
Than comes Infotainment and knob how to control it and location of volume and track control that are way more premium and better on Mazda .
Yes Grand Highlander was build for people who need mini van like room and really use it all the time to take advantage of more room in GH , where Mazda is driven all the time and it drives and handles superbly if you choose the tires and wheels package that fits your preference. CX90 for me all the way
I don’t think numbers are important. It’ll be up to each prospective consumer whether the vehicle sufficiently fills their specific wants or needs.
@@ALMX5DP So HP is presented as it is only slightly higher in CX90 but torque is much better in Mazda even on regular fuel
19's don't help the ride quality on CX-90. It rides to stiff for everyday driver compared to others in segment.
@@jd467 I test drive bought and they did make ride softer if that it what you like , also check air pressure some times delaers do not adjust tire pressure from the delivery truck and it is set to 50psi ! It happned to me test driving one , after dropping to 34psi it was much much more compliant and better riding ....
Excellent comparison, I checked also the AWD features on the Highlander Hybrid Max and it looks like it’s great, that along with the cargo space with the 3rd row up are the definitive features that lead me to pick the highlander, also the 3rd row seats have ac vents and usb c plugs which is a big plus as well. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Cheers!
Highlander may not be an athletic choice but it’s comfortable, can haul families and cargo, but the engine is just barely enough since they now have a 4cyl turbo. The 6cyl was way better, but one thing we can all agree is that its 110% reliable with a high resale value. Mazda cannot say that, reliability is questionable, resale value not as much as Toyota. As for quality, and comfort, it all depends on what you will be doing with the car. I would bet my money on the toyota for sure.
Get a minivan
@@mbenton6 i hate minivans
@@danielmelendez9943 GH is a minivan
@@mbenton6 i leaning more towards BMW X5
@@danielmelendez9943 I bought a cx90 turbo S PP. Best and most exciting $65,000 I will ever spend on a new vehicle that is dynamic. I will send you some pics of my car
I would take a GH with the hybrid max. Fastest in light to light overtaking and softest ride for my kids
CX90 takes this one
2024 Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid MAX has 362 HP not 326 as you stated. For a 4 cylinder vs. 6 cylinder the GH has the edge for fuel economy. We've owned our GH Hybrid MAX Limited since June and absolutely love it.
How does it do on gas? Thanks. Is the Max worth it?
@golferpro1241 26-27 MPG with mostly city driving around Chicago. It's by far the most fun to drive, and I enjoy the additional sport trim, exposed exhaust, gold accents, and ultrasuede seats, so for me, it's worth it. If you don't care about the extras or a much faster and smoother ride, then MAX isn't necessary.
GH is underpowered, just as the heavy Sienna is. The 3.5 2GR is greatly missed. I drove a TX yesterday and with a load, it’s a dog. The 4 banger just isn’t enough. Toyota punted rather than keep the 3.5. They say 362 HP but it was weaker and slower than my 2018 Sienna 3.5.
@letsgobrandon5800 I've been driving my hybrid MAX for 5 months now and I guarantee I'd spank your Siena by a longshot. 0-60 in 5.8 seconds isn't underpowered, especially weighing 5000 lbs. It's the 400 lb ft of torque that provides the power. The TX Is slower unless you get the F sport.
The GH has the best MPG. Unfortunately, it has no soul. #teammazda
David, The Grand Highlander with the 2.5 Hybrid powertrain is so efficient and it offers a much more spacious third row at a lower price. What more can you ask for in a 3 row CUV? 🤔🤩
Ask for a 6 cylinder. My wife's sedan has a turbo 4... I'm not interested in an SUV with the same engine.
Hello David,, Wondering what is taking so long for you to provide information on the 2024 Forerunner? Thank you..
he's been talking about it
@@JokerG16 I haven't seen any recent videos about it
He's left us high and dry
Toyota Highlander and likely the Grand Highlander will be the most stolen vehicles. I know I will pick Mazda CX-90, not only stylish and fun to drive, wont get outdated once your kids grow up, 6 cylinder, more technology on the GT vs XLE and offers mild hybrid.
Hello David
I booked Toyota GH hybrid limited.I have not tried driving a hybrid GH and I have a question that does it make that drone sound of the hybrid system like the regular Highlander.
I am hoping it’s less annoying because GH has a acoustic glass.Please advise.
I got myself the same GH hybrid limited AWD. I'm not sure of the drone sound but if it's similar to what I hear it my 2016 prius then no. The GH is silent. I don't hear anything until engine kicks but when it's on the hybrid, it sounds silent to me.
By drone sound I meant the sound of the hybrid system when you put the car n reverse or start driving then a different sound like a loud whistle.
@ikbaltanwar7293 I'm certain that dies not exist in the GH hybrid limited. It's either silent or sound of the engine when it kicks in. You can test drive to find out.
The biggest game changer for me is the Korean Brands that have a screen in the display that has the lane view.
Yep and that terrific Korean longevity! Not!
Cool, but Japanese is the way.
Mazda does also, 360 camera.
I think it's a matter of what the buyer is looking for. If you want better handling on a 5k pounds SUV go with the CX-90...for space, durability, reliability and better resale value go with Toyota. In my opinion, Toyota all the way.
I do not agree with you at all. GH is nothing more than a minivan
@@mbenton6so is the CX90.
@@jml9550 actually its not. Mazda doesn't have a floaty ride. Mazda has a sports tuned suspension similar to BMW and Mercedes
I think we are missing the point here...if you want something that handles sort of like a sports car, why don't you get a sports car. These two vehicles are meant to move as many people as you could as comfortably as they can...and in those regards the Mazda doesn't hold a candle to the GH. It's bigger on each and every dimension you could possibly imagine. I've been seated both at the dealership and to me it's ridiculous to think about these two being in the same category space wise.
See them yourself. GH is a clear winner for most part. CX90 the top trim feels better built and more premium. But the storage spaces are real tragedy.
It is very easy. If it is space that you are looking for and haul big family, save on gas get the Toyota. CX90 is very cramped on the inside. Fit and finish is beautiful with the CX90 but it is almost a 2 row not an actual 3 row. I also don’t understand the huge differential tunnel on the second row floor, it should have been flat for more space.
Well put. Both are great SUVs. Depends on the priorities.
Cannot be flat. Rear wheel drive bias as opposed to the front shell bias of the Toyota. Engineers can only do so much, they cannot escape physics.
@@JackSmith-qi7drthat tunnel is also on the cx9 and other mazda vehicles. It shouldn’t have anything to do with rear wheel drive bias. It is something to do with the structural reinforcement of the chassis.
I will wait a couple of years to see if Mazda's V6 is reliable before pulling the trigger. Definitely not buying a 4 cylinder turbo.
just a note that the Grand Highlander does not have 326 HP (2024 Grand Highlander’s 362-HP Hybrid MAX powertrain)
Between the two, there can be only one.
Mazda is the most underrated carmaker in the world. Get ready for the Cx70, next Gen Miata, new rotary RX9 and I6 sedan in next few years ! All made in Japan.
Would love for you to compare the plug in hybrids Lexus tx vs Mazda I know the tx wins but at what cost.
I bought the GH less than 3 weeks ago - the Tx, equipped equally as the GH will cost roughly 17-20K more
@waltereichnerlynch2574 I choose the cx90. It looks good in and out and drives like a BMW or Mecedes. Don't like floaty vehicles
Let's see, one is a Toyota and has a hybrid option, what is there to think about?
Depending on what you need. Need a minivan with better looks, and good resale value. The other is built in Japan with Lexus quality interior. A premium platform, and if you get the inline six, a very special powertrain. At my age, I'd buy the Japanese Mazda over the U.S. Built Toyota. Mazda falls under the Toyota corporate umbrella and should be fine long-term
Does not fall under the Toyota corporate umbrella. They share info on electric vehicles, that is the extent. Same as sharing info with BMW.
@@davidhitchings5678 Toyota owns 20 percent of Subaru. Owns 0% of BMW.
Are you still cancelling your reservation for the grand highlander?
AMD from "The Car Car Nut" reviewed the CX-90, and he said not much room under the hood to work on the engine. The timing chains and cam phasers, as well as other components, are all at the back. The power train would have to come out of the car. But in Canada, Mazda offers an unlimited km warranty.
Do timing needs replacement?
Timing chains usually never needs service since they get constant oil lubrication.
The highlander it’s ok but Toyota has cheapen out on materials. And is way more expensive
I test drove the CX-90 PHEV PP today. Mazda forgot about storage when designing this car. The front has two cupholders and a console that’s about 3 inches deep. No second row console on the PHEV PP even though the website says it has one. Under the trunk lid, there’s virtually no space. Family SUV this is not.
I'd think the Toyota edges out Mazda if the prices are similar. Especially on expected resale value or even passing it to another family member. Yt makes me enthusiastic about Mazda these days and I want them to be successful, but the sure thing almost always wins. Of course if I was married, it'd then just be whatever the wife prefers lol.
Can't help but wonder how long the 4 cylinder engine will last in the Grand Highlander pulling that heavy 4500lb vehicle before engine problems occur.
4000 lbs. Try again.
@@joelc9329 4455-4710 according to Toyota.
I really like your videos. But no way I can agree with you on the interior quality comparison. Mazda has way premium material fit and finish than Toyota GH. I felt you are biased little bit towards Toyota. Or else nice video.
Easily, just take a single look. One is beautiful and the other is ugly.
What about the mileage? How do you adjust the steering wheel? How smooth is the transmission?
The GH Hybrid Max has 362 hp that was not mentioned.
Nothing about this car is sporty... nothing
@@mbenton6lol
Go with the Toyota
So that is valid if you say commute to work 50 miles each way for 100miles a day.
Now , average daily work commute maybe 40 miles and so 20 miles each way and than you should show us such test drive ....I think in such case it should be more like 70mpg 😉
For such commute , you should get a gas range or fill up every 900 miles or so, and that is crazy good!
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With the cx90when out of warranty,what does it cost to replace e the water pump or timing belt?My understanding is the motor has to be pulled out and in order to remove the motor,you have to remove the complete front end of the vehicle
Timing chain, very reliable. Can outlast engins
CX-90 all the way unless your priority is MPG and tech. Glad to see Mazda filling the gap with their I6t where BMW has abandoned.
David, did you actually buy the Mazda CX-90?
Can you talk about the Mazda's rear timing chain, which requires the engine to be pulled out and half of the car to be disassembled for a timing chain replacement job. This seems to be a new configuration than previous Mazda's. Future repairs could be expensive, perhaps?
Its the timing chain a maintenance item like timing belt?
If you measure an American made "luxury brand" Acura, you'll find the hood gap is big enough to put a finger in, they don't even know how to align the doors and bumpers, it's amazing, I've never seen such poor workmanship, even on cheap brands.
Ask yourself why you should buy a three-row SUV? SPACE! SPACE! SPACE!
Anyone try to buy a Toyota in the last 2 years?? You're at the mercy of when the dealer gets a few in and you don't have the "Luxury" of maybe getting the actual color and options you want just gotta take what you can get - No thanks.
Easy 3 letters. M D X
The Toyota looks like a minivan from the side profile.
agreed
Toyota Reliability!!!!!!!!!
What to buy, mechanically bad rust box Mazda or ugly old school with full of issues highlander? I am lost what issue I am willing to deal with.
Mazda looks way better
This review misses a lot of key issues and saying that you’re comparing these two vehicles from an engineer’s perspective is misleading. 1) GH Max has 362 hp, and not 326 hp 2) the Inline 6 of the CX-90 is mounted such that it requires removal of the engine in order to service the vehicle. This is similar to BMW which means expect higher costs to maintain the vehicle, 3) the CX-90 is tuned with a firm suspension that cannot be altered. On the other hand, the GH has multiple driving modes, 4) there are some known issues with the reliability of the Mazda inline 6 engine in Europe.
GH has a much better interior design
The CX90 has no rear sway bar. Wouldn't that fix the handling?
The Grand Highlander has roof vents and lights for the 2nd row seats and it has heated and cooled 2nd row seats. The infotainment system in the CX -90 is a joke and the dash is not digital. Toyota sense 3.0 is vast superior to the Mazda. I’ll bet if Mr. Engineer had the 2nd row seats where they were supposed to be when one is sitting in them he wouldn’t have even able to get in the 3rd row even though he is 5’8” tall. The Grand Highlander gets better gas mileage and yet is much bigger than the Mazda. Mr. Engineer is very biased toward the Mazda. That is plain to see. And the EPA fuel mileage for the Mazda is 24 city 27 highway, the Grand Highlander AWD 36 city, 32 Highway. A lot more than “just a little bit”, especially considering the Highlander is AWD.
Grand highlander max has 362 ponies not 326
I suggest to watch the video of Care Car Nut where he explain clearly how this new Madza 6 cylinder is not well thought from a maintenance point of view and this will lead to extremely expensive repairs and less than optimal reliability. Frankly speaking that video alone was enough to dissuade me from the idea of a 6 cylinder cx90. Still I think that the plug in hybrid will make a very interesting and most probably extremely reliable choice.
Car Care Nut is such a Toyota apologist. What he says is only relevant if the engine proves to be unreliable.
@@sheldonduffy9442 If you check his videos he praised many different brands over time including Honda and others, between them Mazda for their 4 cylinder. In my experience there is not such a thing as a totally bulletproof engine (particularly considering that this is the first attempt of Mazda for such an engine) and an engine that is not build with maintenance and repair in mind is really scary. If you want to be the lab rat you are welcome, I will pass in this particularly when there is a reliable engine choice available (the plug in hybrid)
So David, when will we see your Grand Highlander review - you said you just drove it for a week, so you're probably still working on it...
Hi, the review was already posted a while back…
@@AutomotivePressDid you go to Hawaii for the drive event? I saw that one. But I thought you said you just had the GH for a week, so I figured you'd have more to say.
Beautiful vehicle. The Car Care Nut channel did an engineering review of the CX90 power train. The inline six has the timing chain on the back of the block. So the timing chain change is an engine out service. This is scheduled to be done at 100,000 miles. This is a deal breaker to me.
Toyota all the way
Can you even get them though??
You can. I got myself a GH limied in hybrid and I love it. More space and my kids love it.
Grand Highlander Platinum Hybrid max destroys the mazda inline 6 any day. Mechanics say that the mazda engine will be an absolute nightmare to work on should anything go wrong. The hybrid in the toyota reduces the stress on 4 cyl so it is not buzzy like the base engine when floored. Thing is... the TX500 comes with this exact same setup but cost almost 19000 more and only comes with 6 seats I believe. I think the hybrid max GH is the way to go but if I could not get that trim I would go Mazda unless you need the extra space and gas mileage. The TX cannot be 19000 better than the Grand Highlander!
It's cheap looking with hard plastics and bland interior
Mazda reliability Over Toyota ?
CX90 has an engine issue because the engineers put the time chain in the back of the engine. This will make working on the engine incredibly difficult. I trust Toyota engineers. I’d like to see the plug-in hybrid for the Highlander.
It's unlikely to need such work.... Maybe after 200,000 Miles.....Maybe.
I can see it being a slightly more realistic concern if it was a timing belt.
@@markallen2984yeah interesting that someone would say an engine has an “issue” simply because of the location of a particular component, especially one that should be able to go a couple hundred thousand miles before needing service. Or was OP referring to an actual issue with the timing assembly perhaps? I haven’t heard of any yet so just curious.
I doubt most people will have an issue with a timing chain.
@@markallen2984a Mazda going 200000 .? Not sure about that . Love the car but their history is a gamble as there are lemons in between the good ones . My son in laws , they can’t find the tranny solenoid problem . It’s a gamble driving . Hope that chain never stretches .
Go to the car care nut and listen to his review before you get so critical. It’s really quite enlightening
I never go for a Mazda over 50k, Period
The standard cx90 has cheap plastic all over it. I was shocked with the poor quality of interior for standard version
Before you buy cx 90 watch :
"Should You Buy a 2024 Mazda CX-90 Inline 6? A Mechanic’s Review".
No body cares about that shi**. I still bought my Cz90 turbo S PP. That video is trash
Quite a biased review, is really only relevant if the vehicle has a multitude of issues that involve dropping the engine.
Now, when maintenance and repairs ARE needed the CX90 will likely cost more.
However, he says things like the CX90 handles “bad” which is totally untrue. He also complains about the doors sounding cheap when shut, also not true.
I could go on…however, it is pretty obvious that the Car Care Nut has a real Toyota bias.
I’m concerned about the fact that the engine has to be basically pulled out for repairs. I watched the car care nuts review of the cx90 and the timing chains are at the back of the engine, not the front. The engine bay is super cramped so your mechanic may cringe if you have to bring it in.
Why need to pull the engine out? Which part needs to repair?? Timing chain?? Does it need a replacement?
No im talking about general repairs. Watch “the car care nut” on TH-cam, he’s a Toyota/lexus certified mechanic. He did a thorough review of this car and said there is not much room in the engine bay if you ever have to bring it in for major repairs, like the timing chain etc. also the cx90 is a brand new model, you never want to buy the first year of a new model. I think it’s best to let Mazda work out the bugs on this model before considering buying.