The best kept secret on TH-cam. Thank you for sharing Euge, world class and world best in talent.! Thank you for sharing.!! Fortunate are those who find your TH-cam channel.
Any Helix user here? I just tried this technique and its sounds amazing. Now that last firmware update on helix (3.5) allows you to move mics around the cone and even delay one or both of them and set different levels for each mic, you can pretty much emulate the friedman technique. I use this video as reference, only thing i change was one of the amps. I used a jcm800 with a Mark iv.
Lovin' that guitar tones you have on both amps and that bass!!! I am definitely going to research this micing technique and thank you for passing on the knowledge \m/
Euge, awesome video. I always thought the mics were placed at the edge of the dust cap, I didn't know it was dead center of the speaker. I'll be relocating my fredman clip 😀
The Fredman goes back to ATG studio recording’s for Slaughter Of The Soul right? With sum other lil tricks like a 1x12 cabinet that had a cut in it’s cone made their sound nasty n ripped through your face n soul. Awesome dynamic engineering technique sure has evolved the Metal Kingdom. Thanx
@@EugeValovirta230V the mix you achieved does have that fredman classic sound that is missing in a lot of todays metal, the classics still destroy all majority of the new!! One in particular Inflames Colony just to mention.
Fantastic playing my friend.... I get a great rock/metal tone using my Les Paul, EVH Iconic 40watt into Captor X at home. When I turn it up loud at gigs into my Atomic CLR powered monitor it sounds crap. All the connections are good. Any ideas please Euge. Thanks.
Thanks! I’m not familiar with the Atomic but if it’s a basic full range monitor any amp would sound like s€*&t plugged directly to it. Guitar amps should be connected to guitar cabs / speakers which range is quite limited. Or if you have miked your cab and use the Atomic just to monitor that then probably the monitor is just not that good 😎.
I am gonna check this Fredman Technique out my self, whats quite interesting is that it seem to be very simple to get the guitars to sound really good, not much tweaking here and there, but i have a question, i dont have 5000 Euros to spend at the moment so is there some substitute for the SSD Fusion and the Tegeler Audio ? After all it seem to do quite some differece.. Thanks..
Yeah it’s simple and the angle of the mics is really important to get the correct phase cancellation of those high harsh frequencies. SSL makes separate plugins of the Fusion and the Tegeler Creme is basically an SSL style G-bus compressor (with adjustable sidechain lowcut) and Pultec style eq in one. Softube’s Tube-Tech (Pultec) eq plugin is really good and there’s many good SSL bus comp plugins on the market. Waves’ CLA MixDown is also good plugin and I’ve mixed songs / albums with just that in my mixbus before I bought the hardware stuff. As hardware stuff goes these two aren’t that expensive compared to similar high quality gear.
@@EugeValovirta230V I am not a software guy at all, its just a hazzle, i´d rather go for hardware if its not to expensive, since some years back i use STL Amphub, once it´s installed and working its all good, but if i install on another computer its just a hazzle to use iLOK license manager to deactivate and activate different licenses and what not, it can drive me crazy. i use Amphub only for demos and riffs at home, in my studio space i have all my amps and pedals and guitars and only using mics and cabs and Logic Pro, no software plugins or similar. i would want the signal comming in to the soundcard to be as good as possible so i dont have to mess around with EQ and alot of other plugins, i am looking for as much old school ways to do things as possible. Maybe just mess around with levels and pan and some little simple EQ and the master track before bouncing it to it´s finished Audio File.. :D
I read the title as Friedman technique. I remember Glenn being stoked about this mic mount. Guitarist will do anythingthat make the real difference lol change speakers and miking techniques. Speakers and microphones aren’t as sexy as pickups and amplifiers. Euge always has killer tones and always sounds like Euge and that is probably the best compliment a guitarist can ever get in my opinion. Ola, Euge, Kyle, and Taylor get their tone out of any gear they demo. All guitarist get GAS to some extent, but these guys prove if you use your ears and the gear you have at your disposal you can get your sound out of anything. Even the gear Euge doesn’t like he still gets his tone out of it. He also has some of the coolest guitars on TH-cam between his Tokais and ESP, LTD, I wish LTD would make the Jolly Rodger racing stripe guitar a signature production model it’s as cool as the Iron Cross in my opinion.
Yes, I've been doing this for years with PodFarm without even realizing it was a named technique. You have a dual effect chain, and just have one cab on axis 57, and one off axis 57. Obviously it's not literally the same thing, but it gives the same sort of effect to the tone.
He Still making theese Clips. just orderd two at the beginning of this year. since its 3D printed, you may have to wait a few days/weeks depening on when they produce a bunch of them again. but its worth every penny and the wait! :-)
If I were to emulate this technique on Torpedo Wall of Sound, do I just use two sm57 mics and adjust the variphase? It seems to do the trick but I'm not an expert on this stuff
I see you have a mic on the top speaker as well, do you ever blend both or 2 different speakers with fredman on one and single mic on the other? I've been considering trying it.
@@EugeValovirta230V Previously I was planning to buy a standard Gibson, after I watched your video using Tokai Les Paul I was very impressed... I'm planning to buy a Tokai LC 136s BB. What do you think, is the Tokai LC 136s BB good quality?
To do it the original way you should sum them before hitting your audio interface so you get one signal. The whole idea is that they should be treated as one with the high end phase cancellation 👌. Panning is up to the mix. I usually pan rhythm gtrs hard L/R. I use Radial’s MIX 2:1 device for summing them into one before my mic pre. Didn’t use those on this video ’cos I wanted to show the phase cancellation thing etc. Hope this helps! 🤟
Probably my signature ’Valovirtuous’ from the Lead & Clean pack. It’s a Mesa cab with V30 mic’d with a few mics 🤟. Me & Thomas Blug from BluGuitars are working on some cool stuff so stay tuned 😎.
Euge, honest question, with all the great IRs nowadays, whats the point of going through all the trouble of micing a cab? Can you honestly tell the difference?
It’s fun and you can have exactly the sound you’re lookin for. There’s a reason why real gear in general is used in professional studios / productions. In a good mix you probably can’t hear a difference but when you get the sound right when recording usually you don’t have to do much in mixing. Sometimes nothing 😎. But good IRs, like Jens Bogren’s are really great and I’ve used, and still use, them a lot in my productions. I guess they’re a bit static compared to a real cab ’cos it’s a bit hard to capture a speaker moving air in real time into a very short WAV. Only a snapshot of it but it’s ”just” a snapshot 😊.
@@EugeValovirta230V thanks for taking the time to reply. And you make a great point about the ability to practically mix using mic positioning and proper cabs. Keep rocking!
Dave Friedman marshall was biased by Steve fryete amplifiers which Friedman is claiming it's the best sounding Marshall Plexi he has heard, check it out. Also get the new blackstar AMP1 amplifier it's a floor pedal amp to make a demo video
No idea. I just use my ears and usually they are different every day depending what I feel and hear in my head. I don’t pay attention to the position of the knobs ’cos I don’t hear anything with my eyes 🤷😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V haha all good. That tone was killer. I just tracked a band using this technique on the weekend. I was blown away at the results. I tried it before a few years ago and I didn't like it, but this time it was great.
Yeah I mean is there any other way to dial sounds than using ears? If I watch a painting I use my eyes but when it comes to audio my eyes are totally useless. When I started my channel I couldn’t really understand what people ment by the settings questions. I mean the f+*%k I know; it’s audio so whatever sounds good 🎼.
It's official, this is my favorite guitar channel!!! Great job Euge.
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
Same here man!! 🤘🤘🤘🎸
the same, mate! absolutely GOLD content!
The best thing Ive learned from watching Euge's channel is how to describe high end frequencies - "KHEEEEEEE"
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The best kept secret on TH-cam. Thank you for sharing Euge, world class and world best in talent.! Thank you for sharing.!! Fortunate are those who find your TH-cam channel.
Oh thanks! Really glad to hear this!
This guy is growing slow but strong, one of my fav guitar channels
🙏👌💪
Any Helix user here? I just tried this technique and its sounds amazing. Now that last firmware update on helix (3.5) allows you to move mics around the cone and even delay one or both of them and set different levels for each mic, you can pretty much emulate the friedman technique. I use this video as reference, only thing i change was one of the amps. I used a jcm800 with a Mark iv.
That was a pretty amazing tone
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Lovin' that guitar tones you have on both amps and that bass!!! I am definitely going to research this micing technique and thank you for passing on the knowledge \m/
Glad to hear! Thanks!
I love watching your videos mainly just to hear you pronounce your name 🤘🏼
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Cool riffs and soloing part was awesome! And very good information about this miking technique! Thanks Euge!
Thanks man!
Euge, awesome video. I always thought the mics were placed at the edge of the dust cap, I didn't know it was dead center of the speaker. I'll be relocating my fredman clip 😀
Thanks! 😎👌
The Fredman goes back to ATG studio recording’s for Slaughter Of The Soul right? With sum other lil tricks like a 1x12 cabinet that had a cut in it’s cone made their sound nasty n ripped through your face n soul. Awesome dynamic engineering technique sure has evolved the Metal Kingdom. Thanx
Don’t know about that but could be 👌. Indeed.
Awesome Euge I’ve got a Fredman on the way
Cool!
Ay Man! I'm sure this lead part would've made brother dime very proud! Nice Work.
Thanks!
Its always sounded good but dang this Sounds ridiculously badass Euge!!
Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V the mix you achieved does have that fredman classic sound that is missing in a lot of todays metal, the classics still destroy all majority of the new!! One in particular Inflames Colony just to mention.
Thanks! Yeah the correct angle and where you place the mics are really important and with the Fredman clip those are easy to achieve👌.
Dang good vid bud !!!!
Thanks!
Fantastic playing my friend.... I get a great rock/metal tone using my Les Paul, EVH Iconic 40watt into Captor X at home. When I turn it up loud at gigs into my Atomic CLR powered monitor it sounds crap. All the connections are good. Any ideas please Euge. Thanks.
Thanks! I’m not familiar with the Atomic but if it’s a basic full range monitor any amp would sound like s€*&t plugged directly to it. Guitar amps should be connected to guitar cabs / speakers which range is quite limited. Or if you have miked your cab and use the Atomic just to monitor that then probably the monitor is just not that good 😎.
I am gonna check this Fredman Technique out my self, whats quite interesting is that it seem to be very simple to get the guitars to sound really good, not much tweaking here and there, but i have a question, i dont have 5000 Euros to spend at the moment so is there some substitute for the SSD Fusion and the Tegeler Audio ? After all it seem to do quite some differece.. Thanks..
Yeah it’s simple and the angle of the mics is really important to get the correct phase cancellation of those high harsh frequencies.
SSL makes separate plugins of the Fusion and the Tegeler Creme is basically an SSL style G-bus compressor (with adjustable sidechain lowcut) and Pultec style eq in one. Softube’s Tube-Tech (Pultec) eq plugin is really good and there’s many good SSL bus comp plugins on the market. Waves’ CLA MixDown is also good plugin and I’ve mixed songs / albums with just that in my mixbus before I bought the hardware stuff. As hardware stuff goes these two aren’t that expensive compared to similar high quality gear.
@@EugeValovirta230V I am not a software guy at all, its just a hazzle, i´d rather go for hardware if its not to expensive, since some years back i use STL Amphub, once it´s installed and working its all good, but if i install on another computer its just a hazzle to use iLOK license manager to deactivate and activate different licenses and what not, it can drive me crazy. i use Amphub only for demos and riffs at home, in my studio space i have all my amps and pedals and guitars and only using mics and cabs and Logic Pro, no software plugins or similar. i would want the signal comming in to the soundcard to be as good as possible so i dont have to mess around with EQ and alot of other plugins, i am looking for as much old school ways to do things as possible. Maybe just mess around with levels and pan and some little simple EQ and the master track before bouncing it to it´s finished Audio File.. :D
I read the title as Friedman technique. I remember Glenn being stoked about this mic mount. Guitarist will do anythingthat make the real difference lol change speakers and miking techniques. Speakers and microphones aren’t as sexy as pickups and amplifiers. Euge always has killer tones and always sounds like Euge and that is probably the best compliment a guitarist can ever get in my opinion. Ola, Euge, Kyle, and Taylor get their tone out of any gear they demo. All guitarist get GAS to some extent, but these guys prove if you use your ears and the gear you have at your disposal you can get your sound out of anything. Even the gear Euge doesn’t like he still gets his tone out of it. He also has some of the coolest guitars on TH-cam between his Tokais and ESP, LTD, I wish LTD would make the Jolly Rodger racing stripe guitar a signature production model it’s as cool as the Iron Cross in my opinion.
😁. Thanks man! Much appreciated 🙏🤟.
Great tutorial. Is it possible to recreate this setup inside DAW ? Like in some amp sim or cab sim where you can set mic placement like this
Thanks! Probably but I don’t know since I mostly use old analog stuff 😁.
Yes, I've been doing this for years with PodFarm without even realizing it was a named technique. You have a dual effect chain, and just have one cab on axis 57, and one off axis 57. Obviously it's not literally the same thing, but it gives the same sort of effect to the tone.
The correct angle for the Fredman technique needs to be 55°. The other clips on the market sets the angled mic in 45°.
Exactly 👌.
He Still making theese Clips. just orderd two at the beginning of this year. since its 3D printed, you may have to wait a few days/weeks depening on when they produce a bunch of them again. but its worth every penny and the wait! :-)
Cool! Indeed 👌🤟.
That SOLO - so much DIME in it. I love Your channel.
Thanks!
Mahtivideo ja killeri riffi! 🤩
Tänks!
Whenever i make metal album, ill hire Euge as producer
Good 🤟😎.
What type of Tokai guitar series do you use?
You deserve more success. Best channel oot
Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V you’re welcome man!! Love your channel even if you’re the reason of my financial problems 🤣❤️❤️
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If I were to emulate this technique on Torpedo Wall of Sound, do I just use two sm57 mics and adjust the variphase? It seems to do the trick but I'm not an expert on this stuff
I haven’t used that (WoS) but i guess so 😎🤟.
Does this technique work only in the studio or can it be used live? I normally just "X pattern" both cabs and go.
Smokin Euge!! Great technique man. Love your vids. Keep on pickin! 🔥🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘🔥🤘🤘🔥
Thanks man!
I see you have a mic on the top speaker as well, do you ever blend both or 2 different speakers with fredman on one and single mic on the other? I've been considering trying it.
Yes: th-cam.com/video/1P5lEvVzSQw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=oKP1wTTAINQ3je8F
Euge, this is great! very powerful!. You could do an IR? maybe sell it in your webpage?
Thanks! We’ll be working something with Thomas Blug / BluGuitar later this year 🤟👌😎.
very very cool vídeo! thanks for that!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Guitar tone came out awesome, really cool video!
Thanks!
Hi Euge, is that a TOKAI ALC62 ? it sounds fucking killer with those EMG!
No idea about the model. All i know that it’s made in Japan and I bought it about 20 years ago 😎🤟. Thanks!
very handsome guitar, Is that a Tokai LC136S BB guitar?
Thanks! I think it’s LC85 or something but can’t be sure since it’s over 20 years old and I sold it last year.
@@EugeValovirta230V Previously I was planning to buy a standard Gibson, after I watched your video using Tokai Les Paul I was very impressed... I'm planning to buy a Tokai LC 136s BB. What do you think, is the Tokai LC 136s BB good quality?
In my experience all Tokais are built better than most Gibsons.
The man says "killer metal tones." The man does not lie.
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Love that guitar tone, but I have to say that bass was sounding a little like Lemmy!! Good stuff man 🤘🤘
Thanks man!
I have a focus rite solo, should I be doing this with the 2i2 ? Having a hard time getting the solid sound with two mics
You need at least two inputs with this technique or you can sum them with for example Radial’s 2:1 device and then you can do this with one 😎👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V cool thanks for the 411 🤟 keep rockin
Thanks for this!
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Great tone ! How much do you pan your left and right guitar tracks ?
Thanks! Rhythm gtrs always hard L / R. Others just what works the best in the mix.
Still using AD2 or on to a new drum software?
Toontrack’s SD3 since 2020. And Bogren’s Krimh Drums since it came out last year. But mainly SD3 👌.
When double tracking with the Fredman technique, should I leave both mics panned in the center and then pan each take left and right?
To do it the original way you should sum them before hitting your audio interface so you get one signal. The whole idea is that they should be treated as one with the high end phase cancellation 👌. Panning is up to the mix. I usually pan rhythm gtrs hard L/R.
I use Radial’s MIX 2:1 device for summing them into one before my mic pre. Didn’t use those on this video ’cos I wanted to show the phase cancellation thing etc.
Hope this helps! 🤟
@@EugeValovirta230V Thanks a ton Euge! Don't have the budget for the Radial, so I'll try it the non-conventional way.
Yeah that works too!
From the Borgren Digital pack, which IR name is closest to this approach and your liking? Or can you offer your IR for us?
Probably my signature ’Valovirtuous’ from the Lead & Clean pack. It’s a Mesa cab with V30 mic’d with a few mics 🤟. Me & Thomas Blug from BluGuitars are working on some cool stuff so stay tuned 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V cannot wait. Thanks for the IR recommendation!
great video!
Thanks man!
Very goodly Hippie! very goodly.
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Euge, honest question, with all the great IRs nowadays, whats the point of going through all the trouble of micing a cab? Can you honestly tell the difference?
It’s fun and you can have exactly the sound you’re lookin for. There’s a reason why real gear in general is used in professional studios / productions. In a good mix you probably can’t hear a difference but when you get the sound right when recording usually you don’t have to do much in mixing. Sometimes nothing 😎. But good IRs, like Jens Bogren’s are really great and I’ve used, and still use, them a lot in my productions. I guess they’re a bit static compared to a real cab ’cos it’s a bit hard to capture a speaker moving air in real time into a very short WAV. Only a snapshot of it but it’s ”just” a snapshot 😊.
@@EugeValovirta230V thanks for taking the time to reply. And you make a great point about the ability to practically mix using mic positioning and proper cabs. Keep rocking!
Thanks!
Am I the only one who read it FREDMAN MiLking TECHNIQUE ? xD
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Dave Friedman marshall was biased by Steve fryete amplifiers which Friedman is claiming it's the best sounding Marshall Plexi he has heard, check it out. Also get the new blackstar AMP1 amplifier it's a floor pedal amp to make a demo video
Looks like the clip's no longer available for purchase. Just DIY
I get a sort of Zakk Wylde-esque vibe from this tone.
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55°
Mark Opitz miking
They`re sold out 😄
Man! if you kidnapping by cabs, lat us us see )00
Kinda sounds like Zakk Wylde's tone.
Brother with your playing you could mic a cows ass and plug your guitar into its ear and still sound amazing!!
😁💪
What was your amp settings? Amazing tone
No idea. I just use my ears and usually they are different every day depending what I feel and hear in my head. I don’t pay attention to the position of the knobs ’cos I don’t hear anything with my eyes 🤷😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V haha all good. That tone was killer. I just tracked a band using this technique on the weekend. I was blown away at the results. I tried it before a few years ago and I didn't like it, but this time it was great.
Yeah I mean is there any other way to dial sounds than using ears? If I watch a painting I use my eyes but when it comes to audio my eyes are totally useless. When I started my channel I couldn’t really understand what people ment by the settings questions. I mean the f+*%k I know; it’s audio so whatever sounds good 🎼.
@@EugeValovirta230V keep it up!