It doesn't have anything to do with he Chinese people dude lol. It's an old joke that is semi true about chinese manufacturing and trade practices, often blatant copies of well known designs, that are not exactly on par. lol.
Someone mentioned on an FB group I'm on: "....parts available from your local Snap-Off dealer..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 But to be fair nearly everything is made in China/ S.E Asia these days. Made In America, Made in UK etc ended decades ago in terms of mass production. Those of us of a certain age remember when 'Made un Japan' meant great things ...but even that doesn't really happen any more either. They just design it and send it to say South Korea etc for cheap manufacture. All that aside, great vid...I've always wondered about these Oriental alternatives. 👍😊
I had an FTX Carnage. They were on a promotional sale at my local RC shop. £79.99 for the brushed version and £99.99 for the brushless. I bought 2 brushed as I had lots of better brushless escs and motors in my parts bin. While buying a few spare parts I noticed that the alloy and carbon upgrades were not much more money than the standard parts so I swapped everything out. I was running a 4200kv motor and a 120A esc on 3s and I had geared it well up with the biggest pinion and smallest spur I could get to fit... That would easily do 70mph.. I regret selling it as it was a lot of fun. My son has the other one somewhere. But moved house so many times it could be anywhere.
Oi! Tomley cheers mate for making these videos! This one was a awesome comparison in this league. Looks like u had a good time doing this one 👍🏻 I still like the 12402..- D7 it gets no love😂.. Happy New year!
Awesome comparison speed test Video Mate, I've got the 14001 , I put a vid on today, you've been lucky not to have a fry out with your electronics on 3s, I got told to remove the Diode from the Motor to run 3s, Unless the people who run 3s had a high C rating that's why it fried there electronics 🤔 anyway all fantastic Rcs mate, I enjoyed every single minute 👍 have a great new year Pal 👍😁👍
Tony the big diode acts as a partial short so the motor coils see less power running in reverse, isn't really necessary but kinda helpful for youngsters or newbies. pretty sure THAT is when ESC gets cooked on 3S, going from hard braking to reverse while still rolling forward. soooo.... YUP! ditch it!
Good speed tests Phil, on the 144001, I got 83kph max speed on 3s stock out the box...awesome buggy for sure, the q901 can do exactly 52kph that it says on the box with the right 3s lipo in my speed tests....All the best for New Years mate👍🍻
That was a Great Lineup! Ive wanted to see, a video like this for a while! Wltoys, are easier to get in the U.S , so for me thats a Winner! That VRX is a Rocket though!
Fun comparison but not a fair fight between the brushed WLToys 144001 and the brushless VRX. Some folks are hitting over 80 mph on 3s when running brushless
@@TomleyRC On 4s and brushless the 144001 is hitting over 90mph. It's a testamant to stability of the little car that is can be driven that fast without flipping. Mines getting the SCT treatment using the LC Racing bumpers and body posts. Shell will come from Kamtec
I use to have a carnage i was running a 4340kv gool rc brushless motor and programmable 60amp esc . I had it set up 100% percent forward power and on my mates gps using a 4500mah 50c 2s i got it to 58mph . It was on a dry sunny day in the wet you couldnt get the power down with it
I have a vintage Tamiya thundershot (recently reported in life with a new ESC) and the two wltoys buggy (they are so fast) and yesterday I have got my new FY08, but I love how you upgraded the Wltoys 12402-a already enjoyed your previous video about that RC.
yup! WLtoys 12428 and their clones really NEED threaded rod and ball end steering links. the ball link ends with "tubed balls", underside to the center shuttle and topside to the steering knuckles, only way to get rid of near ALL their bump steer and toe out. the stock links make it squirrely, near undrivable. next recommend for them is cutting 1.5 turns off the shock springs (all 4) and re-flattening the new ends, at rest it'll sit about 3/16" lower. it helps the CG some, but more importantly its softer suspension with some negative suspension travel to help keep all 4 tires on the ground more often. don't do BIG jumps after (oh well), and the torque twist wheelies are unavoidable with a rear diff axle anyway, even if locked. stock shocks are good, they just need seals put in them. for less than 5 bucks they do become much better behaved anyway. the blue Feiyu same chassis of course, give it the set of steering links at least so it can track better. my cheapo Virhuck V-01 with the steering links, toe in set about 1 degree, through full suspension travel it stays same, fully pushed down might see 1.5 degrees toe in, is the steering stability I've got now from them. not joking "must do".
whoops, another tidbit.. move the steering ball link at the servo IN on the servo arm/saver. finer control and less load on the servo itself. should be a hole there ready to use.
cool, 1.5 off with the new ends flattened is enough, can always run the collars down some to regain some stiffness. for seals I just sliced the center tube section out of WPL servo grommets (on a small screwdriver shaft when cutting), the buttons flat side up make a great seal for those stock shocks. light grease in the fronts, 10w-40 motor oil in the rears because it was there... drop it 14-16" it doesn't bounce is pretty decent.
Would you be so kind and tell which wheels from Tamiya you have on the Wltoys 12402-A? It looks gorgeous with them. Mine came with a dodgy front left wheel. It's shaking the car like crazy.
People may knock chines stuff however most of the big brand parts are Asian made . Hpi Taiwan hsp china most big brand upgrade metal parts made in china . . That part of world has s massive RC fan base , Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan all big in RC racing .
I heard a spoiled brats is mad about your content lol! I enjoy you both. Your channel are nothing a like. Your is about the toys his is about him. And it's all good in my opinion!
really happy with the 260 motor+gearbox out for them now, the earlier ones came with a 180 motor and typical WPL #316 gearbox, sucked! you can find in eBay for 5-6 bucks if your MN-D90 doesn't have one already, they're only a little faster than WPL tan B-36 gearbox with 180 motor, but more torque for being larger diameter motor to begin with.
Nice test. Just got a wltoys 12428-B as I love its body style. Is fast enough for me. 😋 What upgrades you suggest, Phil? Maybe get some better shocks in the future. Can it run on a 3s on stock electronics? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
I think the biggest mistake I made was running my 12428 on 3s. I ended up replacing the spur, pinion gear, and drive shaft to handle the power. After that was situated, I could never get the steering adequate enough to hold a decent line. Awesome buggy, but more power destroys it. Heck, even the shocks rip apart at higher speeds in the grass.
Oil shocks are the best thing you can do, not sure the ESC will last on 3s. A Quicrun 1060 set up would be good. But then you need a 3 wire servo and new transmitter/receiver.
Filipe D i installed metal diffs, driveshaft, spur gear, and oil shocks. They all worked tremendously well on 2s. I eventually installed a new receiver, servo, esc, and brushless motor. Awesome car to drive, but for me it was better stock. I only have 2 out of about 15 rc’s that I kept stock. More speed always calls for me eventually. Lol.
How much space does the wltoys 114001 have for the battery cuz i bought it and i'd like to buy 2 3s batteries or 1 3s and 1 2s but it didn't arrive yet so i can't measure it😅
The 3s I'm using is 115mm x 35mm x 21mm. You can move a small bracket on the chassis for a 3s like mine to fit. hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-1800mah-3s-25-50c-lipo-pack.html?___store=en_us
I'm interested to get that feiyue, just to feel the different driving dynamics from the 12428/23 models, because my 23 is fairly well behaved up to 35mph on 2s
@@TomleyRC I've done a little bit to change the handling, it has oil filled upgrade shocks all the way around and fy03 rear springs (they're quite stiff and help with launches). All the weight of the 4s system makes it settle down quite a bit too. I might post a video of a walk around and list everything I've done to it
Bro how do you get the fy08 to stay in the ground im running 4370 kv with 3s and it jus tsked flight when i get in the throtlr so what have you dont to yours
Fun fact, my first Real RC was a kyosho tracker (90s model) i think it came with a 550 motor, but it was slower than the slowest in this bunch. insane how fast cheap rcs are today.
@@RallyandTrail do they just assemble china products in their England factory or do they manufacture all the parts there? just curious to know. thanks.
joe girty it's a mix of both . They produce their own cnc parts like chassis's,shocks ,hubs etc they also produce their own plastic parts like suspension arms ,ball diffs etc even tyres ( Schumacher only tyres) But they do source from China things like bearings and transmission belts . They also sell a lot of Chinese products these days especially electronics .
Yeah there's a BIG difference in made in China stuff as opposed to China branded, my RedCat is made in China, just better hobby grade quality. The cheaper ones are coming up fast though, as we could see here!!👍
Interesting. Most bang for your buck is probably the WLtoys that came in 2nd. Checkout my durability test of the HBX Rampage while being chased and attacked by a pack of wiener dogs. th-cam.com/video/2bslSzJeBxo/w-d-xo.html
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Technically my dad's Chinese and he wasn't fast to go get milk
LazyKing lolol
It doesn't have anything to do with he Chinese people dude lol. It's an old joke that is semi true about chinese manufacturing and trade practices, often blatant copies of well known designs, that are not exactly on par. lol.
The Kevin talbot whip when you swore, lol
It's just a 'Bull Whip' sound effect.....sounds better than a 'bleep' 😉👍
Lol
5:07 perfectly timed engine noise lol
haha...yeah it was wasn't it
I guess the hbx 16889 didn't make the cut... anyway keep em coming.
I was limited to how many I could get in the car lol.
Someone mentioned on an FB group I'm on: "....parts available from your local Snap-Off dealer..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But to be fair nearly everything is made in China/ S.E Asia these days. Made In America, Made in UK etc ended decades ago in terms of mass production. Those of us of a certain age remember when 'Made un Japan' meant great things ...but even that doesn't really happen any more either. They just design it and send it to say South Korea etc for cheap manufacture.
All that aside, great vid...I've always wondered about these Oriental alternatives. 👍😊
Yes, most stuff is made in China. I made sure I said 'Chinese Branded' in the video... as I knew it would be topic of conversation 😎👍
Awesome testing, dude! Really nice! 😃
Those are pretty nice trucks! 😃
Cheers dude
I had an FTX Carnage. They were on a promotional sale at my local RC shop. £79.99 for the brushed version and £99.99 for the brushless. I bought 2 brushed as I had lots of better brushless escs and motors in my parts bin. While buying a few spare parts I noticed that the alloy and carbon upgrades were not much more money than the standard parts so I swapped everything out. I was running a 4200kv motor and a 120A esc on 3s and I had geared it well up with the biggest pinion and smallest spur I could get to fit... That would easily do 70mph..
I regret selling it as it was a lot of fun. My son has the other one somewhere. But moved house so many times it could be anywhere.
Cool video! Love the coincidence that the revs of passing cars occasionally matches the RCs as the streak past! 😁👍
haha, yeah noticed that when I was editing. I think the FY03H was the best one
I like the blue truck n the sliver thingy lol...great vid tho
Yes the FY08 (Blue) is really cool, just needs better handling
@@TomleyRC better servo??? N is the silver thingy a crawler?
Oi! Tomley cheers mate for making these videos! This one was a awesome comparison in this league. Looks like u had a good time doing this one 👍🏻 I still like the 12402..- D7 it gets no love😂.. Happy New year!
Happy new year dude. Cheers for the support.
Great speed battle,cool video and all them RCs are cool.
Cheers dude
Well Technically Everything is Chinese🤓.
Yes... you are correct. I made sure I said 'China Branded' in the video 😉👍
Nice speed test, Very nice vídeo, man!! 🖖🏎️
Cheers dude
Awesome comparison speed test Video Mate, I've got the 14001 , I put a vid on today, you've been lucky not to have a fry out with your electronics on 3s, I got told to remove the Diode from the Motor to run 3s, Unless the people who run 3s had a high C rating that's why it fried there electronics 🤔 anyway all fantastic Rcs mate, I enjoyed every single minute 👍 have a great new year Pal 👍😁👍
Tony the big diode acts as a partial short so the motor coils see less power running in reverse, isn't really necessary but kinda helpful for youngsters or newbies. pretty sure THAT is when ESC gets cooked on 3S, going from hard braking to reverse while still rolling forward. soooo.... YUP! ditch it!
Cheers Tony. It was fun to make, although took some time lol. I saw your video, you'll have fun with that little beast!
Good speed tests Phil, on the 144001, I got 83kph max speed on 3s stock out the box...awesome buggy for sure, the q901 can do exactly 52kph that it says on the box with the right 3s lipo in my speed tests....All the best for New Years mate👍🍻
Yes, not as fast as I thought it was gonna be. The battery had been in the FY08, so will try with a fresh one soon
The 144001 is still the winner in my book, I´m gonna get one soon! Lovely video m8, keep them coming!
Yes, and I'm sure it's faster than what i tested... needs a fresh Lipo in it
144001 with 3s lipo can go over 70km/h..
That was a Great Lineup! Ive wanted to see, a video like this for a while! Wltoys, are easier to get in the U.S , so for me thats a Winner! That VRX is a Rocket though!
Thanks dude
nice comparison! Funny video!
Cheers dude
Nice speed runs bro! GPS meter can take a beating as well.
Yes, that thing has been to hell an back in the last couple of years! I think i may replace it soon haha
@@TomleyRC well unless it breaks or becomes less accurate for some reason I don't see the need to replace it. I run things till they run no more lol
if it jams force it, if it breaks it needed replacing anyway!
good old school bumper sticker :)
Fun comparison but not a fair fight between the brushed WLToys 144001 and the brushless VRX. Some folks are hitting over 80 mph on 3s when running brushless
I think it's not fair on the VRX... only managed a couple of MPH than a brushed WLtoys 😎👍
@@TomleyRC On 4s and brushless the 144001 is hitting over 90mph. It's a testamant to stability of the little car that is can be driven that fast without flipping. Mines getting the SCT treatment using the LC Racing bumpers and body posts. Shell will come from Kamtec
I use to have a carnage i was running a 4340kv gool rc brushless motor and programmable 60amp esc . I had it set up 100% percent forward power and on my mates gps using a 4500mah 50c 2s i got it to 58mph . It was on a dry sunny day in the wet you couldnt get the power down with it
I have a vintage Tamiya thundershot (recently reported in life with a new ESC) and the two wltoys buggy (they are so fast) and yesterday I have got my new FY08, but I love how you upgraded the Wltoys 12402-a
already enjoyed your previous video about that RC.
Just got my hbx 16889 and I love it....absolutely can’t beat it for $70
Yes, it's awesome
Nice one gov!! I knew the 144 would pull at least 🥈 2nd place!!👍
I reckon with a fresh lipo it would have been the fastest
yup! WLtoys 12428 and their clones really NEED threaded rod and ball end steering links. the ball link ends with "tubed balls", underside to the center shuttle and topside to the steering knuckles, only way to get rid of near ALL their bump steer and toe out.
the stock links make it squirrely, near undrivable. next recommend for them is cutting 1.5 turns off the shock springs (all 4) and re-flattening the new ends, at rest it'll sit about 3/16" lower. it helps the CG some, but more importantly its softer suspension with some negative suspension travel to help keep all 4 tires on the ground more often. don't do BIG jumps after (oh well), and the torque twist wheelies are unavoidable with a rear diff axle anyway, even if locked. stock shocks are good, they just need seals put in them. for less than 5 bucks they do become much better behaved anyway. the blue Feiyu same chassis of course, give it the set of steering links at least so it can track better. my cheapo Virhuck V-01 with the steering links, toe in set about 1 degree, through full suspension travel it stays same, fully pushed down might see 1.5 degrees toe in, is the steering stability I've got now from them. not joking "must do".
whoops, another tidbit.. move the steering ball link at the servo IN on the servo arm/saver. finer control and less load on the servo itself. should be a hole there ready to use.
The FY08 has had 2 coils off the springs, and then the shocks filled with thick grease.
cool, 1.5 off with the new ends flattened is enough, can always run the collars down some to regain some stiffness. for seals I just sliced the center tube section out of WPL servo grommets (on a small screwdriver shaft when cutting), the buttons flat side up make a great seal for those stock shocks. light grease in the fronts, 10w-40 motor oil in the rears because it was there... drop it 14-16" it doesn't bounce is pretty decent.
Cant believe i missed this video. Hey now thats not fair. I think the Q901 benefits the best from a motor upgrade.
I can only imagine the carnage in your garage/shed
You'll have to pop by next time you are in Lincoln 😍
Wicked mate 👌💯
Thanks
Great vid, thank you. What Tamiya wheel set do you have on the Wltoys 12402a please?
Love the vrx wish they stocked them in the us
Yeah... it’s a nice Basher
KILLER video!! COOL cool. Stuff. NC 🏞back yard RC.AND MORE.🖒
Cheers dude
Great lineup and speed test Phil 👍🏻
Do you have a link for the GPS your using and maybe a coupon code?
It's not on offer at the moment, but you could try ebay as well, they are usually a little cheaper than this. www.banggood.com/custlink/K3G3AoiF2E
Would you be so kind and tell which wheels from Tamiya you have on the Wltoys 12402-A? It looks gorgeous with them. Mine came with a dodgy front left wheel. It's shaking the car like crazy.
People may knock chines stuff however most of the big brand parts are Asian made . Hpi Taiwan hsp china most big brand upgrade metal parts made in china . . That part of world has s massive RC fan base , Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan all big in RC racing .
I heard a spoiled brats is mad about your content lol! I enjoy you both. Your channel are nothing a like. Your is about the toys his is about him. And it's all good in my opinion!
Yes... you are probably correct. Someone doesn't seem to get the hint when he's being ignored haha. Cheers for watching 😎👍
Please do a comparison between wltoys - 144001 and 12402-a
like they say in the mad max films speed is just a question of money how fast do you want to go lol
haha yes
Please make a Vidio tutorial on how to modify the dump truck..become RC
What brushless motor would you recommend for MN-90??? I want to directly install the brushless motor to the upgraded gearbox.
really happy with the 260 motor+gearbox out for them now, the earlier ones came with a 180 motor and typical WPL #316 gearbox, sucked!
you can find in eBay for 5-6 bucks if your MN-D90 doesn't have one already, they're only a little faster than WPL tan B-36 gearbox with 180 motor, but more torque for being larger diameter motor to begin with.
model nutty ah I see, I just want to try brushless right now just because the 370 motor with the speed reduction gearbox grinds down my gears.
A brushless motor would likely shred the gears in that RC.
Vok250 depends on what transmission you’re using.
Buen video muy interesante.👍
Nice test. Just got a wltoys 12428-B as I love its body style. Is fast enough for me. 😋 What upgrades you suggest, Phil? Maybe get some better shocks in the future. Can it run on a 3s on stock electronics? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
I think the biggest mistake I made was running my 12428 on 3s. I ended up replacing the spur, pinion gear, and drive shaft to handle the power. After that was situated, I could never get the steering adequate enough to hold a decent line. Awesome buggy, but more power destroys it. Heck, even the shocks rip apart at higher speeds in the grass.
mwhite202020 thanks. Was yours with the upgraded metal gears?
Oil shocks are the best thing you can do, not sure the ESC will last on 3s. A Quicrun 1060 set up would be good. But then you need a 3 wire servo and new transmitter/receiver.
Tomley RC thanks Phil. Just saw your video about the shocks. Will order some soon
Filipe D i installed metal diffs, driveshaft, spur gear, and oil shocks. They all worked tremendously well on 2s. I eventually installed a new receiver, servo, esc, and brushless motor. Awesome car to drive, but for me it was better stock. I only have 2 out of about 15 rc’s that I kept stock. More speed always calls for me eventually. Lol.
El feiyue fy08 está en stock o lo modificaste?
My q901 does 52kph on 3S...
hey man :) i see that you upgrade tires in WLtoys 12402-A - can you sand me the link to this tires? :) thanks
the fy08 at what speed goes with the original parts?
About 30km/h
@@TomleyRC thx
If you need a hand driving it straight give Kev Talbot a call he can control them really well 🤭
If you mean ‘straight in to a wall’ then yeah he’s ya man 😉👌
@@TomleyRC oooo the claws are out lol
Haha 😂
How much space does the wltoys 114001 have for the battery cuz i bought it and i'd like to buy 2 3s batteries or 1 3s and 1 2s but it didn't arrive yet so i can't measure it😅
The 3s I'm using is 115mm x 35mm x 21mm. You can move a small bracket on the chassis for a 3s like mine to fit. hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-1800mah-3s-25-50c-lipo-pack.html?___store=en_us
@@TomleyRC Thanks for the reply😁😁😁
I like the Chinese stuff
I'm interested to get that feiyue, just to feel the different driving dynamics from the 12428/23 models, because my 23 is fairly well behaved up to 35mph on 2s
The FY08 is pretty good, I've removed a couple of coils of the springs to add some 'slop' to it. Drives a bit more like a trophy truck
@@TomleyRC I've done a little bit to change the handling, it has oil filled upgrade shocks all the way around and fy03 rear springs (they're quite stiff and help with launches). All the weight of the 4s system makes it settle down quite a bit too. I might post a video of a walk around and list everything I've done to it
Is that the stock 7.4 esc in the 144001 I'm a little leery to put 3s on it
Bro how do you get the fy08 to stay in the ground im running 4370 kv with 3s and it jus tsked flight when i get in the throtlr so what have you dont to yours
A little loctite goes a long way. 😅
Mine q901 goes 36mph with 4400kv motor electronic upgrade and cnhl batery
12:29 hahaha..oh no what happened!!!!
haha... 😂
Can I use a 3s lipo battery on a stock fy08?
FY08 upgrade or not ??
Yes, upgraded motor & 3s Lipo
upgrade high speed 37.2 mph.what about don't upgrade how many mph ?
Fun fact, my first Real RC was a kyosho tracker (90s model) i think it came with a 550 motor, but it was slower than the slowest in this bunch. insane how fast cheap rcs are today.
Crazy how things have advanced isn't it!
am i going nuts or is that car in the backround used as a planter box? XD
9:50 btw
What does 3s mean ?
3 Cells in Series.. so 11.1V
Wltoys will hit about 70 on a good wheel upgrade and metal turnbuckles
The a959b
Yes, I will be doing a 144001 Upgraded vs A959b upgraded
When u buy wheels for the a959b get the 1/10 scale wheels that take 7mm it will produce more power
Like the vids keep it up
Cheers Paul
All RC products are made in China. lol. thanks for the video.
0:15... 'China Branded' 🙃
joe girty I believe Schumacher racing still produce and build the majority of their race rc's in England
@@RallyandTrail do they just assemble china products in their England factory or do they manufacture all the parts there? just curious to know. thanks.
joe girty it's a mix of both . They produce their own cnc parts like chassis's,shocks ,hubs etc they also produce their own plastic parts like suspension arms ,ball diffs etc even tyres ( Schumacher only tyres) But they do source from China things like bearings and transmission belts .
They also sell a lot of Chinese products these days especially electronics .
Yeah there's a BIG difference in made in China stuff as opposed to China branded, my RedCat is made in China, just better hobby grade quality. The cheaper ones are coming up fast though, as we could see here!!👍
Interesting. Most bang for your buck is probably the WLtoys that came in 2nd. Checkout my durability test of the HBX Rampage while being chased and attacked by a pack of wiener dogs. th-cam.com/video/2bslSzJeBxo/w-d-xo.html
just over there ARE 7..... not IS 7
Yes, you is correct 😎
I fell bad for the feiyue theres barly any vids of it theres only like 6 vids of the fuiyue Ill give link #fuiyue
Search for "Feiyue" and I think you will have better luck! 😉
Headphones,lol.