Briggs always has great lines, but his delivery in that whole scene specifically, and that look on Bobby’s face really hits me hard every time. That moment is definitely up there for me too.
Season 2 was a bit too prolonged I'd say but it is still very enjoyable and a better collection of episodes than 95% of seasons of television programming
Twin peaks up until we find out who killed Laura Palmer is legitimately the best and most captivating thing I've ever seen in a TV series. Perfect mystery, aesthetics, characters, everything. And then the rest of season 2... just felt like air slowly escaping a tire. It's not bad but the contrast is so jarring when you go from some of the best and most suspenseful stuff that's ever been filmed to just a meandering blob... Is just sad to see
@@alfatejpblind6498 I agree 100%. The last quarter/third of the season was great as well but the middle part was a bit dumb and boring imo. How's Annie?
One of my favorite lighthearted moments from the show is in season 2..albeit when Lynch returns...when Gordon meets Shelly and he can hear her "clear as a bell." Those bits never fail to get a laugh out of me.
Inconsistent season, many great bits. That scene at the roadhouse where Cooper and other characters feel that "it is happening again" is up there in my top 3 twin peaks scenes. The expression on Bobby's face, Donna breaking down crying I always thought was those characters coming to face the reality that they "don't exist". Then the old waiter telling Coop he is so sorry and Coop staring at the red curtains of...That scene and the Giant waving off his origin questioned by Cooper with his question "Where have you gone?" implies to me that Coop was in the lodge by season 2, possibly earlier and I just wonder how many times has this "happened again" up to that point? Brilliant! Itchin'.
That's because it was Lynch directed. The first several episodes of S2 were great as Lynch was still involved until he dropped off after the killer reveal before he came back for the finale.
I never thought that. Because Donna was crying and Bobby was mortified because of the energy of the new death. Something I think we all have to get the hell over is this idea that Lynch had some giant plan for the series like it was Babylon 5. Read what you want into it. But most of the time, Lynch was just going ad-hoc. Let's never forget BOB WAS JUST AN CREW MEMBER IN SHOT FFS. IT always amazes me that that people think Lynch has some deep esoteric meaning in everything, (which kind of goes against the whole essence of transcendental meditation.) Laura was a McGuffin that became a lynchpin by the fans, the executives, and yes, even Mark Frost. Laura 's murder was NEVER meant to be solved. But the Mobius Loop only really works in people's minds. And that is great, that is what art is all about. But I'm sick of the Marvel/Star Wars Era of "Ohh, when that extra did that strange thing that had absolutely no real impact on the story, it can be explained by shakespearian levels of lore.
Up to that scene Twin Peaks already showed how unpredictable it can be, like you said, changes happened over time yes but there always were scenes where you could really sense that something was "off", like something terribly went wrong and for me that was such a scene. It's not a stretch to think what I described as you are watching the show for a first time, especially if you've already encountered some "spoilers" through f.e. youtube thumbnails. Let's not forget the dream in episode 3.@@RogueBoyScout
That Roadhouse scene is among my favourites as well. The atmosphere is so haunting and beautiful. My feeling is that Bobby, Donna etc can somehow sense a disturbance in the universe after Maddy has been murdered. The sense of deep loss conveyed in that scene is just incredible.
I agree. His relationship with Bobby has always stood out as a bittersweet element, and a key thread in the character arcs. It makes me wonder: Is _Judy_ Garland Briggs the broader context beyond Laura and Leland/Bob - hence the atomic bomb in S03E08?
major garland briggs is a major thinking point. even just how the word 'laura' like 'laurel' means a garland, a ring. 'garland' itself means a decoration for a memory. a garland itself isn't necessarily a ring. laura, one type of garland. major, law and order.
Always thought when we see the major return after disappearing the rest of the season should have moved the focus from the Palmer storyline and grounded it in the Briggs household.
@@stoneskull laura / law ra. Palm-er / we see a lot of Palm trees in S3 in certain scenes with Dougie. (Palm can represent the soul -- when Coop goes into Dougie's world his shoes don't fit through and fall off -- leaving his soles behind, or his *souls*.)
As a seventh and eighth grader I was scared shitless yet enraptured with Twin Peaks. I’d barely leave my room after watching it on my little bedroom tv, then whistle the theme song on Monday mornings while riding to school in the fog. It was breathtaking. It even scared me when I found the Bravo channel and could rewatch the series in its entirety multiple times in the afternoons after class. That same dread followed me years later into my middle age when we all got to see the third season. That sweet, sweet feeling of something wrong happening in the background. Thanks Pete for all your contributions to TP. You’ve made yet another fine addition to the collection and brought it all back into my mind. I’ll have to listen to the chromatics on my way to work tomorrow. Cheers.
I will go to my grave saying that the opening episode of Season 2 up until Lonely Souls is the greatest run of any TV show I've ever seen. I say that with the understanding that it's a little less tight and consistent as season 1. But that 7 episode run has so many moments which electrify me upon every annual rewatch.
Season 2 gets too much hate. Never stop making Twin Peaks videos. I feel sick I missed this channel during season 3 run. Incredible insight, on things I missed completely. Greatest show ever. I badly want more, but sadly we probably won't get anymore.
I could not agree more that stretching out the tension of having Leland slither his way through the town, unmasked to the audience as the killer but to no one else, would have been the thing to do. Those scenes we get of Leland getting so close to our heroes with nothing but killing on his mind were the absolute best.
Those two episodes with Leland convince me that BOB actually “won.” When his Plan A failed because he had to kill Laura (for reasons I’m still not very clear about), he went to Plan B, which was to reap as much garmonbozia from the town as possible and realign it with the Black Lodge. That’s why Leland/BOB acts so recklessly in the episodes after Maddie’s murder: he wants to be caught so the truth comes out and poisons the town. Given the differences we see in Twin Peaks in The Return, I believe BOB succeeded.
Honestly I felt like it was very well paced. For about three episodes they kept the tension insanely high as the cliffhanger with Maddie in the trunk leaves you in an absolute panic over what will happen next. You can't really deliver anything more on that in my opinion and stretching things out would lessen the impact of that moment. What's really missing from Season 2 is a stronger reaction... unfortunately the end of Leland's reveal leads most of the characters core to that story follow this with the worst subplots in the show, especially James. I think it would have been a much stronger season if James remained in town and had some role in a red herring to the revelation of the Black Lodge, instead of being in a completely unrelated storyline.
I always look forward to your Twin Peaks videos, thanks for all the great, thought provoking content! Going to have to do a rewatch of the series soon, it’s been a few years and this video has me excited to pick it back up.
I did a rewatch at about the same time, and I agree with every point you made. Back in the original run, I didn't appreciate the S2 episodes between the big reveal and the last few very much, but now it just feels like every minute we get to spend in that universe is something special.
Great timing on this video. My friend has been watching Twin Peaks for the first time and she is finally on the last episode of season two which we’re gonna watch together tonight.
When i watched Twin Peaks for the first time as a kid, I preferred the later series more. The world was already well-defined, plus the black lodge and the owls, were so intriguing for a 11-year-old mind. And an honorable mention of my platonic puppy love - Heather Graham in one of her first major roles.
Wow, the show was already waaay too complicated for 16-yr old me when it debuted. I can't imagine seeing it at 11! I'd played the lead in Tom Sawyer before I turned 12 (1000+ lines memorized for that one) and smoked my 1st joint...but Twin Peaks is in an entirely other realm of storytelling. Cheers :)
I am a fan of your Twin Peaks content. Would you consider producing a video that explores the working legacy of Lynch with Angelo Badalamenti? I imagine his recent passing had a profound effect on Lynch just as he was preparing to go into pre production on a new project which may or may not have been Twin Peaks related. The rumours on that topic are thoroughly scrambled.
when a man is tired of the Evelyn Marsh plot arc, he is tired of life! I still remember my deep disappointment at Twin Peaks fest 2017 when Sabrina Sutherland confirmed that we would not find out in the Return whether the Marsh’s Jaguar ever got properly repaired…. 😂❤
It's a hole / retcon of sorts. But it doesn't matter to me. He clearly didn't make the Return in order to answer lingering Qs like: _"How's Annie?"_ The Return was instead a _vehicle_ for Lynch to express his ideas & cosmology through the _format_ of streaming instead of film/TV. He's made it to play with ideas in a specific medium, and not to develop and solve a new mystery or answer lingering Qs the fans have about prior 'mysteries' (mysteries that have all been answered one way or another, like it or not).
I personally thought Annie was a top-5 character in Twin Peaks. And it's not like Graham had a falling out with Lynch or Frost. She wanted to be in it. One of the bright spots in season 2. HG never really stood out to me in anything else ironically. Their reasoning is she had nothing to do with the plot. Seems kind of flimsy, since they brought back many characters that didn't add much to the main plot. She wasn't some throw away character like Leo or Hank.
Two persistent false memories shared by both cast/crew and viewers: 1. Lynch was absent during much of S2 because he was busy making Wild at Heart (actually, he was absent during much of S1 to make Wild at Heart. He was less involved with S2, because "[a weekly show] becomes something you don't want to do." [source: Lynch on Lynch]. That statement speaks volumes. He was, however, a fan of the Evelyn subplot because it reminded him of fifties film noirs; he even personally cast Annette McCarthy [source: Reflections]. 2. Solving the murder killed the goose that laid golden eggs. (Lynch never wanted to solve the murder and instead put more focus on the subplots. Mark Frost, on the other hand, felt they had to reveal the killer at one point. Viewership dwindled long before the big reveal -- many viewers gave up after the 1st episode of S2 [source: Televisuality: Style, Crisis, and Authority in American Television], others just wanted to get it over and done with. ABC even put out an ad for the reveal episode: "Tonight, find out who killed Laura Palmer. Really."
Glad to see you made a triumphant return to TP content! I’ve been defending S2 for decades. Virtually all of the mythology that fans came to love in both FWWM and The Return all comes from S2.
The only consolation I can find is that without the resolution being forced, we would probably have never had the masterpieces of the three episodes closing off that arc. Lynch said he probably wouldn't have answered the mystery without being strongarmed into it, so even though it wasn't the original plan, it was still some of the best content ever created for TV
Yup. I do believe a lot of good AND bad came out of it. Almost in equal measure, and what is more fitting for a show that is all about the eternal war between light & darkness
& Yes I absolutely agree, without the reveal, we wouldn't have the brilliant Season 2 finale, Fire Walk With Me, or TP: The Return, all of which I think are legitimate masterpieces and some of Lynch's best work! So by pissing Lynch off by "ruining" his story, they brought the FIRE out of him!! Lol
I just rewatched season 1 and 2 myself, and FIRE WALK WITH ME to rewatch season 3 with more awareness. I do have to say season 2 still holds up, mostly, (poor James in storyline Siberia) but throughout still has some of the most memorable scenes in TV history. Madeline's murder still gives me chills. Meanwhile....as Laura's doppelganger would say...I'm off to start again on season 3
I really loved all of the B-Plots. As a matter of fact, I think the whole Twin Peaks package was a wonderful, unique, and once in a lifetime dramatic experience. Hail to David Lynch, and thanks for a great vid............
The way I've always seen it, despite how advantageous it wouldve been to at least keep the killer unknown for much much longer...there would've been nothing wrong with revealing it when they did had they had a clearer gameplan as to where the story was headed next. Especially if they had laid the setup for it beforehand.
Initially yes they jumped the gun, BUT I think they did a really good job of bringing a larger and even creepier mystery into play, the black lodge, the unknowable forces of good and evil dictating everything, dopplegangers, etc.. I found to be more chillling and haunting ideas than just "who killed Laura". Plus, Fire Walk With Me's deep, brutal dive into the details of Laura's personal hell wouldn't have existed without the mystery being "spoiled". & it has become one of my favourite films of all time
@@b1thearchitect401I agree, but I wish they could have dragged out the murder mystery a bit longer, especially since lots of the subplots in that season probably could have worked alongside with it. I still liked those filler episodes (especially Ben's Confederate arc), but they just felt kinda unfocused.
For me, S2 is all about learning what a weirdo Cooper is. Because of S2, we know Cooper has a type - psychologically tormented, statuesque blondes (see: Laura, Annie). Because of S2, we know that Cooper gets off on the pain his damsels in distress are feeling. Because of S2, we know Cooper is willing to ignore his moral table of values when his attraction to one of these damsels reaches a certain point (see: Caroline). It raises certain questions about both seasons. Why *did* Cooper break into Laura’s diary so creepily and eagerly? Why *did* Cooper ultimately reject Audrey? Was it because she was, in the end, too strong and willful a person for his tastes? Like, say, Diane? S1 tells us how wonderful Cooper is (and he really is); S2 tells us that, despite this, he is still a man driven by demons beyond his control. S3 tells us that Cooper can be redeemable or irredeemable - it just depends on who you ask.
13:32 Completely agree. I think it's the most terrified I've ever been watching anything. I still get a bit emotional thinking about certain parts of that episode and after this amount of time I can't see that changing. It's so well acted and shot.
Regarding Lynch not being a horror director: perhaps not in the traditional sense. However, I watched Eraserhead and The Grandmother (From his short films) on acid back in the 90's. Both were pretty horrifying, but what great trips. 😄
Season 2 is great, really just that one set of episodes people complain about (I don't, they have their own unique b-movie charm). But, honestly that was Lynch and Frost's fault due to in-fighting and abandoning the writers/actors. But that ok, they're allowed to be human, the fact they were able to right the ship so quickly is what I find impressive. Love your videos btw! :)
I mostly agree with you, as I have written about in the Between Two Worlds blog, "The Supposed Season Two Slump: It's More Important Now!" And what's more with the darkness FWWM and S3 brings, those silly storylines sort of provide a pressure valve to alleviate tension abit.
The first 9 eps I count as part of season 1. The competition of the LP mystery. Once we cut to “3 days later” the next 12 are the Miss Twin Peaks stuff. The season 2 finale in my eyes is part of what would be FWWM and missing pieces. All tonally different
I still love S2, i never felt Lynch was gone until i look for information later. It was really good and entertaining, even with the bad things. I just liked to be with this characters, truly a timeless show.
Maddy's murder in season 2 is one of the most upsetting & truly horrifying things i've ever seen in a TV, it's wild to me that it aired in 1991!! amazing show though, just finished season 2 and I agree it's not terrible and the last stretch of 4-5 episodes is pretty darn good, loved how ambiguous the finale was too.
I don't divide the town of Twin Peaks into two seasons. I divide it into events before Leland's death and after Leland's death. Whenever I refresh my memory of the timeless series, I always watch up to that particular moment. In the second season, in those episodes before [Leland's death], there is just as much goodness as in the first season.
I just finished watching all Twin Peaks materials again as well. I finished up over the weekend. I too believe the complaints on season 2 are too harsh. I do agree with other fans that it's the worst season, but it's far from garbage. The only parts I absolutely hate are those scenes about James & his journey into the world outside of Twin Peaks. When I watch, I just fast forward all of that nonsense & it's very enjoyable. Funny that you were apparently watching along with me. I watched all your videos about The Return. Thanks for the video! ☕️👍🏻
yeah the james subplot is so flippin bad, when my gf watched it with me for the first time I skipped those scenes and she barely noticed except for when he came back and I explained that basically nothing happens on his little milfhunter journey
Excellent job. That plot is just tedious, even for an initial watch. It ends with zero effect on the rest of the show. The rest of the subplots mentioned in this video are weak, but none of them make me tune out like the one involving James.
Spot on. I also skip over the Audrey and Billy Zane stuff. As much as I am uh, 'stirred' by a young Ms Fenn, Audrey's arc became superfluous. I'll add that "all TP material" must include _The Missing Pieces'_ Log Lady monologue intros; they are key to unpacking _why_ what's going on in The Return is going the way that it "does".
@shaft9000 I'm with you except for 1 thing. I don't watch the missing pieces. I like it, but now that The Return exists, I just wanna go straight to that after Fire Walk with Me.
Thank you for this compilation. I miss the world of TP so much. Is there anything currently on TV that comes remotely close to TP's magic? Will someone please do a TP convention in Snoqualmie, WA soon? I'm only a few hours away. *sigh*
The "How's Annie" moment is the greatest moment in season two. A close second is from the last episode as well: "I'm in the Black Lodge with agent Cooper. I am waiting for you" - who wouldn't have liked to see Major Briggs battleling it out in the Black Lodge in search of the good Cooper?
I just watched TP for the first time this year and I thought that aside from that stretch in the middle, season 2 blew season 1 away, very surprised to hear that people have been saying the opposite for 30 years
Tim Hunter is a great director. He directed RIVERS EDGE in ‘86. A true classic with a Lynchian edge to it. I believe he was responsible for that trippy tunnel shot through the ceiling tile in Season 2 (not sure which episode that was). It was a bravado Lynchian flourish that couldn’t have been easy to pull off.
I'm not familiar with RIVERS EDGE, but just quickly glanced it over on IMDB and have now added it to my to-watch list. Thanks for the suggestion. Those three episodes Hunter directed in Twin Peaks were all fantastic.
Love your stuff on TP! But I am afraid I will have to disagree with you about the "perfect" ending of season 3. Although I enjoyed it tremendously, at its end I thought it had too many doppelgangers, left so many old mysteries open and introduced even more new ones. Finally in Season 3, I missed much of the TP interpersonal chemistry and quirky, often humorous interactions between the main characters. I still miss so much about the world of Twin Peaks....I truly hope David Lynch has one more season up his sleeve....
I understand what you're saying about S3. But for me, despite the shift in tone where we got less of the type of chemistry you're referring to, those 18 hours still provided me with my most enjoyable television viewing experience in my life.
Everytime I rewatch this series, I enjoy Season 2 more and more. It's bizarre subplots and hilarious goofiness feels like this fun and interesting side mission before you dive into the hellish depths of Season 2 finale, Fire Walk With Me & The Return. Some of it is dumb sure lol, but since this show already established early on that ANYTHING can happen, I think most of it honestly works!! Especially now in retrospect
season 2 was still fantastic. I loved seeing the characters regardless of what they were doing because I wasn't watching for the mystery only. The stuff with Earle, the cave and the lodges is brilliant. the only part I disliked was the James/Evelyn stuff. the Super Nadine stuff and Audrey romance was tolerable.
Season 2 is so fun a little more lighthearted and silly for sure but its enjoyable to watch. Also theres a lot of iconic moments that TP is known for to this day that didnt happen until season 2.
One of mine as well. The timing in that delivery was sublime. My favorite, however, will always remain: "Grand. Theft. Auto. The Log Lady stole my truck".
@@WowLynchWow How is it that Pete Martell, Jack Nance, gets to steal the show in both the first and last episodes of the original run!? A few of the many people that I've gotten hooked on this show, over the last several years, have said that Pete Martell is their favorite character. Who am I to argue!?
Honestly the only thing I don't like from seaosn 2 is the James/Evelyn subplot. It literally adds nothing. You skip those scenes and the next mention you have of James is the letter he sends to Donna, nothing of what happened before it's mentioned (unlike with the other subplots like Nadine and Dick Tremayne which carry onto the final episodes). Ben Horne and the Civil War is hilarious and just for the sake of how Richard Beymer plays the whole thing is worth it. The stuff with Nadine is ridiculous but it doesn't bother me and the little Nicky stuff is worth it for the interactions of Andy and Dick.
I agree about the James/Evelyn subplot. I don’t get why she said “you’re too honest” or whatever. Like, bro, he ain’t honest. He’s cheated on Donna twice.
The owls are not what they seem. What makes this season for me is Denise, and Hawk, and when after wondering for a few episodes what was up with Cooper and the flannel shirts, Albert calls Coop out about the flannel shirts. We definitely needed more John Justice Wheeler. ❤
I generally agree with your opinion. But I’d object that the Windom Earle story arc is still much much weaker than the Laura Palmer one. The actor’s portrayal of the character somewhere between goofy and scary certainly didn’t help.
@@WowLynchWow Do you thinks its interesting enough for you to do a video on "The Red Thread" that Mike/Philip mentions to Bob/Leland? I was watching Tenet review and the person suddenly mentioned The Red Thread and the Chinese folklore on "The Red Thread of Fate", about two people destined to meet (and marry), who are previously tied to an invisible red thread. I was wondering, if there is a hint there, even loosely based on, it makes sense if Bob wants to be Laura and Mike/Philip wants to tear the red thread, by giving Laura the Ring, so now Laura belongs to Mike, the spirit, because the The Arm (of that spirit) says the "with this ring, I thee wed", although to Bob, but Bob isn't happy in that scene. Secodly, we see Laura and MFAP holding hands, if im not wrong, in the Red Room, as if they're married. So it's like a battle between Bob and Mike (MFAP and Philip), on who takes the spirit. It's probably not that, but it's cool to think in that direction. What do you think?
Unfortunately, whatever it was that Lynch was recently in production on has suffered multiple interruptions. Hard to say what the outcome of that will be and I can only imagine Lynch’s frustration with the current state of Hollywood.
@@WowLynchWow I can only assume (or hope) so. Very little is known but he announced late last winter that he was getting back onto “the Work Train,” whatever that might imply. My understanding is that he was working on something for Netflix.
I still want to see more Twin Peaks. Lots left to explore, from the connection between Laura and Judy to getting some resolution with beloved characters like Audrey and Annie. But yeah, S2 contained some of the worst scenes and best, more important scenes of the series.
Season 2 definitely had some high quality episodes and powerful momnets on par with season 1. Those B plots though, they were insufferably bad. I'd still love to see a fan edit of the entire season 2 with the superfluous garbage removed. Season 3 was indeed a triumph. I've been following your work since the start of season 3 Geoffrey and I really appreaciate the obvious passion you have for the show, a passion we share completely.
I like season 2 better than season 1. The best episodes (8-15) are in season 2. Harold Smith is one of the best characters. Audrey at One Eyed Jack's, Josie's undoing, Andrew Packard's return (played by Cochrane from Halloween 3). I think if that James/Evelyn subplot hadn't been done and other dumb storylines like Little Nicky or the Civil War weren't included, there is not that much to complain about.
Lynch was pretty discouraged by the middle of season 1. In interviews he's expressed pride for the Pilot but considers everything after to be overly-compromised (and why it was his last network TV venture). imho the show became largely a _vehicle_ for him to fulfill his contractual obligations to the best extent that he could, despite the show being forced to solve the mystery way too soon. _No longer a story in it's original purpose,_ but now a container of ideas still called 'Twin Peaks'. *Clue 1:* "12 rainbow trout' is a key metaphor about the "filler" episodes of season 2. Notice in S03E02 that the black Lincoln's trunk has a piece of trout flesh just sitting in there when Mr C picks up the car from Jack. *Clue 2:* many 'mysterious' lines in S03 ("got a light?" and "the king and I!" are two of them) are call-backs; "shadows" of the same line heard in the 12 "trout " episodes. e.g. "got a light?" is said by Dick Tremayne a minute before Lelad commits suicide in S02E09 (!!)
I'm still disappointed Mulholland Drive was never picked up as a series, as intended. I believe Lynch learned a lot from his experiences on Twin Peaks, and that MD could have been a brilliant series.
Lynch/Frost actually did do one more show for ABC, a bizarre sitcom called On The Air with Ian Buchanan, Miguel Ferrer and few other TP actors in it. Only 3 out of the 7 episodes made were aired in the US in the Summer of '92.
I can't explain why...but episode 17 always sticks out to me....well the beginning, it seemed like everyone in the town was getting along..if only for a fleeting moment...but that made it seem like a completely different town where no one was angry with eachother Edit: however you count the pilot and episodes, i mean the episode right after Leland's death
5:50 - Stretching out Leland/BOB’s “on the loose” phase would have been interesting, as would an episode or two about how the town deals with the revelation of the killer. Instead, we get a “three days later” message, a funeral for Leland that we never see, and everyone seems to move on. 9:04 - Josie shooting Cooper never made any sense to me. She has no real motive at all to do so. Those episodes always seemed like a rushed effort to close off that cliffhanger from Season 1; there’s some wasted potential there.
I have no proof of this, but I think the storyline with Windom Earle was originally meant for Leland and/or Bob. The taunts, the hunt for the Black Lodge, etc., were supposed to be the part of the Laura Palmer mystery and Frost didn't want to waste the material that had already been conceptualized, so it was repurposed for a new character. I think Leo (in his insubstantial state) still would have been involved as a red herring.
That might explain Windom’s apparent knowledge of the people and relationships in Twin Peaks despite having only recently arrived. However, Albert tells Cooper about Windom’s escape in the second episode of Season 2, which means that a Windom Earle subplot was in the works very early on.
A little off subject but your narrating voice sounds very familiar, are you Denis Leary? But freaking love TP, best show ever, season 2 is not the best but TP's worst is still better than all other TV's best
My favorite moment in the series, as crazy as it sounds, is when Major Briggs bonds with Bobby, which I think, forever changed Bobby's attitude.
How much I cry on that scene? I don't even know
Briggs always has great lines, but his delivery in that whole scene specifically, and that look on Bobby’s face really hits me hard every time. That moment is definitely up there for me too.
Same!
Not crazy at all. Great scene.
Yes mine as well.
Season 2 was a bit too prolonged I'd say but it is still very enjoyable and a better collection of episodes than 95% of seasons of television programming
Totally agree.
Twin peaks up until we find out who killed Laura Palmer is legitimately the best and most captivating thing I've ever seen in a TV series. Perfect mystery, aesthetics, characters, everything. And then the rest of season 2... just felt like air slowly escaping a tire. It's not bad but the contrast is so jarring when you go from some of the best and most suspenseful stuff that's ever been filmed to just a meandering blob... Is just sad to see
it's great re-exploring it. at the least to see the references used in the future.
@@alfatejpblind6498 I agree 100%. The last quarter/third of the season was great as well but the middle part was a bit dumb and boring imo. How's Annie?
Compared to today's woke diversity trash this is gold
I love seeing Twin Peaks content still in almost 2024. I love knowing that there are still people who can't sleep looking for the answers.
i love that you wrote this comment.
Back in the 90s, Lynch’s cliffhanger episode and film kept us thinking and theorizing for almost thirty years. Then he did it again with The Return.
One of my favorite lighthearted moments from the show is in season 2..albeit when Lynch returns...when Gordon meets Shelly and he can hear her "clear as a bell." Those bits never fail to get a laugh out of me.
Thank you so much for making this video. I'm constantly defending Season Two. The good far outweighs the bad.
Inconsistent season, many great bits. That scene at the roadhouse where Cooper and other characters feel that "it is happening again" is up there in my top 3 twin peaks scenes. The expression on Bobby's face, Donna breaking down crying I always thought was those characters coming to face the reality that they "don't exist". Then the old waiter telling Coop he is so sorry and Coop staring at the red curtains of...That scene and the Giant waving off his origin questioned by Cooper with his question "Where have you gone?" implies to me that Coop was in the lodge by season 2, possibly earlier and I just wonder how many times has this "happened again" up to that point? Brilliant! Itchin'.
That's because it was Lynch directed. The first several episodes of S2 were great as Lynch was still involved until he dropped off after the killer reveal before he came back for the finale.
I never thought that. Because Donna was crying and Bobby was mortified because of the energy of the new death.
Something I think we all have to get the hell over is this idea that Lynch had some giant plan for the series like it was Babylon 5. Read what you want into it. But most of the time, Lynch was just going ad-hoc. Let's never forget BOB WAS JUST AN CREW MEMBER IN SHOT FFS.
IT always amazes me that that people think Lynch has some deep esoteric meaning in everything, (which kind of goes against the whole essence of transcendental meditation.)
Laura was a McGuffin that became a lynchpin by the fans, the executives, and yes, even Mark Frost. Laura 's murder was NEVER meant to be solved.
But the Mobius Loop only really works in people's minds. And that is great, that is what art is all about. But I'm sick of the Marvel/Star Wars Era of "Ohh, when that extra did that strange thing that had absolutely no real impact on the story, it can be explained by shakespearian levels of lore.
Up to that scene Twin Peaks already showed how unpredictable it can be, like you said, changes happened over time yes but there always were scenes where you could really sense that something was "off", like something terribly went wrong and for me that was such a scene. It's not a stretch to think what I described as you are watching the show for a first time, especially if you've already encountered some "spoilers" through f.e. youtube thumbnails. Let's not forget the dream in episode 3.@@RogueBoyScout
Hell yes, that was amazing.
That Roadhouse scene is among my favourites as well. The atmosphere is so haunting and beautiful. My feeling is that Bobby, Donna etc can somehow sense a disturbance in the universe after Maddy has been murdered. The sense of deep loss conveyed in that scene is just incredible.
All of the Colonel Briggs storylines and mysteries in season 2 were my personal favs!
I agree. His relationship with Bobby has always stood out as a bittersweet element, and a key thread in the character arcs. It makes me wonder:
Is _Judy_ Garland Briggs the broader context beyond Laura and Leland/Bob - hence the atomic bomb in S03E08?
major garland briggs is a major thinking point. even just how the word 'laura' like 'laurel' means a garland, a ring. 'garland' itself means a decoration for a memory. a garland itself isn't necessarily a ring. laura, one type of garland. major, law and order.
Always thought when we see the major return after disappearing the rest of the season should have moved the focus from the Palmer storyline and grounded it in the Briggs household.
@@stoneskull laura / law ra. Palm-er / we see a lot of Palm trees in S3 in certain scenes with Dougie. (Palm can represent the soul -- when Coop goes into Dougie's world his shoes don't fit through and fall off -- leaving his soles behind, or his *souls*.)
As a seventh and eighth grader I was scared shitless yet enraptured with Twin Peaks. I’d barely leave my room after watching it on my little bedroom tv, then whistle the theme song on Monday mornings while riding to school in the fog.
It was breathtaking. It even scared me when I found the Bravo channel and could rewatch the series in its entirety multiple times in the afternoons after class.
That same dread followed me years later into my middle age when we all got to see the third season. That sweet, sweet feeling of something wrong happening in the background.
Thanks Pete for all your contributions to TP. You’ve made yet another fine addition to the collection and brought it all back into my mind. I’ll have to listen to the chromatics on my way to work tomorrow.
Cheers.
I will go to my grave saying that the opening episode of Season 2 up until Lonely Souls is the greatest run of any TV show I've ever seen. I say that with the understanding that it's a little less tight and consistent as season 1. But that 7 episode run has so many moments which electrify me upon every annual rewatch.
Totally agree, and I'd even extend that an extra two episodes through Arbitrary Law, where I was very fond of the Leland's demise.
Exactly.
Season 2 gets too much hate. Never stop making Twin Peaks videos. I feel sick I missed this channel during season 3 run. Incredible insight, on things I missed completely. Greatest show ever. I badly want more, but sadly we probably won't get anymore.
I could not agree more that stretching out the tension of having Leland slither his way through the town, unmasked to the audience as the killer but to no one else, would have been the thing to do. Those scenes we get of Leland getting so close to our heroes with nothing but killing on his mind were the absolute best.
So glad to see you share this. That idea hasn't left my mind in weeks, and those Leland scenes the 2 episodes following the reveal were terrific!
Those two episodes with Leland convince me that BOB actually “won.” When his Plan A failed because he had to kill Laura (for reasons I’m still not very clear about), he went to Plan B, which was to reap as much garmonbozia from the town as possible and realign it with the Black Lodge. That’s why Leland/BOB acts so recklessly in the episodes after Maddie’s murder: he wants to be caught so the truth comes out and poisons the town. Given the differences we see in Twin Peaks in The Return, I believe BOB succeeded.
Honestly I felt like it was very well paced. For about three episodes they kept the tension insanely high as the cliffhanger with Maddie in the trunk leaves you in an absolute panic over what will happen next. You can't really deliver anything more on that in my opinion and stretching things out would lessen the impact of that moment. What's really missing from Season 2 is a stronger reaction... unfortunately the end of Leland's reveal leads most of the characters core to that story follow this with the worst subplots in the show, especially James. I think it would have been a much stronger season if James remained in town and had some role in a red herring to the revelation of the Black Lodge, instead of being in a completely unrelated storyline.
@@anchorlightforge James/Evelyn is definitely my least favourite subplot in S2. I enjoy all of the others, even the really daft ones.
I always look forward to your Twin Peaks videos, thanks for all the great, thought provoking content! Going to have to do a rewatch of the series soon, it’s been a few years and this video has me excited to pick it back up.
Glad to see the triumphant return of Twin Peaks content :)
I so miss Twin Peaks❤
What year is this?
That gum you like is going to come back in style. 🕺🏼
Is it not available to stream or buy in your location?
I did a rewatch at about the same time, and I agree with every point you made. Back in the original run, I didn't appreciate the S2 episodes between the big reveal and the last few very much, but now it just feels like every minute we get to spend in that universe is something special.
That Josie Packard door-knob animation probably cost millions though.
Always great to see more Twin Peaks content from you!
Great timing on this video. My friend has been watching Twin Peaks for the first time and she is finally on the last episode of season two which we’re gonna watch together tonight.
When i watched Twin Peaks for the first time as a kid, I preferred the later series more. The world was already well-defined, plus the black lodge and the owls, were so intriguing for a 11-year-old mind. And an honorable mention of my platonic puppy love - Heather Graham in one of her first major roles.
Wow, the show was already waaay too complicated for 16-yr old me when it debuted.
I can't imagine seeing it at 11!
I'd played the lead in Tom Sawyer before I turned 12 (1000+ lines memorized for that one) and smoked my 1st joint...but Twin Peaks is in an entirely other realm of storytelling. Cheers :)
The narration on this channel is always so good. His boxing channel is awesome too.
Idk why but I've always enjoyed the Ben Horne civil war plot😂😂
amazing video, like always, I saw all your Twin Peaks videos and I really enjoy each one. A BIG THANK YOU, from italy
I am a fan of your Twin Peaks content. Would you consider producing a video that explores the working legacy of Lynch with Angelo Badalamenti? I imagine his recent passing had a profound effect on Lynch just as he was preparing to go into pre production on a new project which may or may not have been Twin Peaks related. The rumours on that topic are thoroughly scrambled.
When I heard that the Maestro Badalamenti had died I was shaken for months!
glad you're back on tp discussions
Thank you! Lynch's episodes in season 2 have some of my favourite moments in the entire series!
I have just stumbled across your channel with regards to your Twin Peaks content. Narration is awesome! Thank you for keeping the Fire going...
Tough week but i perked up when I saw WLW post a new TP video. Thanks for what you do boss
Me too. Seeing this upload brightened my whole week!
Love your content man! Perfect timing for me to watch while eating breakfast.
I never hated season 2. I always loved the Black Lodge stuff, I thought it was a great way to ask "who REALLY killed Laura Palmer?".
i like the black lodge scenes too, but it was a lot more than about who killed laura palmer.
when a man is tired of the Evelyn Marsh plot arc, he is tired of life! I still remember my deep disappointment at Twin Peaks fest 2017 when Sabrina Sutherland confirmed that we would not find out in the Return whether the Marsh’s Jaguar ever got properly repaired…. 😂❤
I thought it was a mistake not to put Heather Graham into Season 3 somehow, especially as she was sort of a key ethereal element in FWWM.
What happened to her. Was she in a mad house like Audrey Horne potentially.
It's a hole / retcon of sorts.
But it doesn't matter to me. He clearly didn't make the Return in order to answer lingering Qs like: _"How's Annie?"_
The Return was instead a _vehicle_ for Lynch to express his ideas & cosmology through the _format_ of streaming instead of film/TV.
He's made it to play with ideas in a specific medium, and not to develop and solve a new mystery or answer lingering Qs the fans have about prior 'mysteries' (mysteries that have all been answered one way or another, like it or not).
I personally thought Annie was a top-5 character in Twin Peaks. And it's not like Graham had a falling out with Lynch or Frost. She wanted to be in it. One of the bright spots in season 2. HG never really stood out to me in anything else ironically. Their reasoning is she had nothing to do with the plot. Seems kind of flimsy, since they brought back many characters that didn't add much to the main plot. She wasn't some throw away character like Leo or Hank.
i love when you go on these tears man. First the strong silent type video last week, and now this? get to 100k subs already damn
Two persistent false memories shared by both cast/crew and viewers: 1. Lynch was absent during much of S2 because he was busy making Wild at Heart (actually, he was absent during much of S1 to make Wild at Heart. He was less involved with S2, because "[a weekly show] becomes something you don't want to do." [source: Lynch on Lynch]. That statement speaks volumes. He was, however, a fan of the Evelyn subplot because it reminded him of fifties film noirs; he even personally cast Annette McCarthy [source: Reflections]. 2. Solving the murder killed the goose that laid golden eggs. (Lynch never wanted to solve the murder and instead put more focus on the subplots. Mark Frost, on the other hand, felt they had to reveal the killer at one point. Viewership dwindled long before the big reveal -- many viewers gave up after the 1st episode of S2 [source: Televisuality: Style, Crisis, and Authority in American Television], others just wanted to get it over and done with. ABC even put out an ad for the reveal episode: "Tonight, find out who killed Laura Palmer. Really."
Glad to see you made a triumphant return to TP content!
I’ve been defending S2 for decades. Virtually all of the mythology that fans came to love in both FWWM and The Return all comes from S2.
Thank you, appreciate that. And I agree 100%.
awesome job! can't wait for Feb.24! I feel the itch of the waiting room returning AGAIN!
Drinking game: Drink every time he throws shade at the TV execs
*dies of alcohol poisoning*
The only consolation I can find is that without the resolution being forced, we would probably have never had the masterpieces of the three episodes closing off that arc. Lynch said he probably wouldn't have answered the mystery without being strongarmed into it, so even though it wasn't the original plan, it was still some of the best content ever created for TV
Yup. I do believe a lot of good AND bad came out of it. Almost in equal measure, and what is more fitting for a show that is all about the eternal war between light & darkness
& Yes I absolutely agree, without the reveal, we wouldn't have the brilliant Season 2 finale, Fire Walk With Me, or TP: The Return, all of which I think are legitimate masterpieces and some of Lynch's best work! So by pissing Lynch off by "ruining" his story, they brought the FIRE out of him!! Lol
I just rewatched season 1 and 2 myself, and FIRE WALK WITH ME to rewatch season 3 with more awareness. I do have to say season 2 still holds up, mostly, (poor James in storyline Siberia) but throughout still has some of the most memorable scenes in TV history. Madeline's murder still gives me chills. Meanwhile....as Laura's doppelganger would say...I'm off to start again on season 3
I really loved all of the B-Plots. As a matter of fact, I think the whole Twin Peaks package was a wonderful, unique, and once in a lifetime dramatic experience. Hail to David Lynch, and thanks for a great vid............
The way I've always seen it, despite how advantageous it wouldve been to at least keep the killer unknown for much much longer...there would've been nothing wrong with revealing it when they did had they had a clearer gameplan as to where the story was headed next. Especially if they had laid the setup for it beforehand.
Laura's murder was the driving force behind everything. Solving it makes everything else feel pointless. What a terrible decision.
Initially yes they jumped the gun, BUT I think they did a really good job of bringing a larger and even creepier mystery into play, the black lodge, the unknowable forces of good and evil dictating everything, dopplegangers, etc.. I found to be more chillling and haunting ideas than just "who killed Laura". Plus, Fire Walk With Me's deep, brutal dive into the details of Laura's personal hell wouldn't have existed without the mystery being "spoiled". & it has become one of my favourite films of all time
@@b1thearchitect401I agree, but I wish they could have dragged out the murder mystery a bit longer, especially since lots of the subplots in that season probably could have worked alongside with it. I still liked those filler episodes (especially Ben's Confederate arc), but they just felt kinda unfocused.
another twin peaks "fan" who's still stuck in the red room.
Another great video. I loved this show... when I watched it I tried to ignore the talk about the 2nd season, etc. and I'm glad I did.
For me, S2 is all about learning what a weirdo Cooper is. Because of S2, we know Cooper has a type - psychologically tormented, statuesque blondes (see: Laura, Annie). Because of S2, we know that Cooper gets off on the pain his damsels in distress are feeling. Because of S2, we know Cooper is willing to ignore his moral table of values when his attraction to one of these damsels reaches a certain point (see: Caroline).
It raises certain questions about both seasons. Why *did* Cooper break into Laura’s diary so creepily and eagerly? Why *did* Cooper ultimately reject Audrey? Was it because she was, in the end, too strong and willful a person for his tastes? Like, say, Diane?
S1 tells us how wonderful Cooper is (and he really is); S2 tells us that, despite this, he is still a man driven by demons beyond his control. S3 tells us that Cooper can be redeemable or irredeemable - it just depends on who you ask.
13:32 Completely agree. I think it's the most terrified I've ever been watching anything. I still get a bit emotional thinking about certain parts of that episode and after this amount of time I can't see that changing. It's so well acted and shot.
Regarding Lynch not being a horror director: perhaps not in the traditional sense. However, I watched Eraserhead and The Grandmother (From his short films) on acid back in the 90's. Both were pretty horrifying, but what great trips. 😄
Season 2 is great, really just that one set of episodes people complain about (I don't, they have their own unique b-movie charm). But, honestly that was Lynch and Frost's fault due to in-fighting and abandoning the writers/actors. But that ok, they're allowed to be human, the fact they were able to right the ship so quickly is what I find impressive. Love your videos btw! :)
I mostly agree with you, as I have written about in the Between Two Worlds blog, "The Supposed Season Two Slump: It's More Important Now!" And what's more with the darkness FWWM and S3 brings, those silly storylines sort of provide a pressure valve to alleviate tension abit.
.... good to see a new vid from you :)
The first 9 eps I count as part of season 1. The competition of the LP mystery. Once we cut to “3 days later” the next 12 are the Miss Twin Peaks stuff. The season 2 finale in my eyes is part of what would be FWWM and missing pieces. All tonally different
I still love S2, i never felt Lynch was gone until i look for information later. It was really good and entertaining, even with the bad things. I just liked to be with this characters, truly a timeless show.
I wish I had 12 seasons with a million more questions. Whichever universe does, that's where I belong.
Maddy's murder in season 2 is one of the most upsetting & truly horrifying things i've ever seen in a TV, it's wild to me that it aired in 1991!! amazing show though, just finished season 2 and I agree it's not terrible and the last stretch of 4-5 episodes is pretty darn good, loved how ambiguous the finale was too.
I don't divide the town of Twin Peaks into two seasons. I divide it into events before Leland's death and after Leland's death. Whenever I refresh my memory of the timeless series, I always watch up to that particular moment. In the second season, in those episodes before [Leland's death], there is just as much goodness as in the first season.
I just finished watching all Twin Peaks materials again as well. I finished up over the weekend. I too believe the complaints on season 2 are too harsh. I do agree with other fans that it's the worst season, but it's far from garbage. The only parts I absolutely hate are those scenes about James & his journey into the world outside of Twin Peaks. When I watch, I just fast forward all of that nonsense & it's very enjoyable. Funny that you were apparently watching along with me. I watched all your videos about The Return. Thanks for the video! ☕️👍🏻
yeah the james subplot is so flippin bad, when my gf watched it with me for the first time I skipped those scenes and she barely noticed except for when he came back and I explained that basically nothing happens on his little milfhunter journey
Excellent job. That plot is just tedious, even for an initial watch. It ends with zero effect on the rest of the show. The rest of the subplots mentioned in this video are weak, but none of them make me tune out like the one involving James.
Spot on. I also skip over the Audrey and Billy Zane stuff. As much as I am uh, 'stirred' by a young Ms Fenn, Audrey's arc became superfluous.
I'll add that "all TP material" must include _The Missing Pieces'_ Log Lady monologue intros; they are key to unpacking _why_ what's going on in The Return is going the way that it "does".
@shaft9000 I'm with you except for 1 thing. I don't watch the missing pieces. I like it, but now that The Return exists, I just wanna go straight to that after Fire Walk with Me.
For sure. James’ B story is the only part of TP that I really don’t enjoy.
You're back!
Thank you for this compilation. I miss the world of TP so much. Is there anything currently on TV that comes remotely close to TP's magic? Will someone please do a TP convention in Snoqualmie, WA soon? I'm only a few hours away. *sigh*
Season two is like a diamond. Cold and hard and brilliant. And it hates you for having an affair with its wife, season 1.
I truly enjoy Season 2. Glad you made this.
I missed these videos ❤
The problem with Season 2 was how the studio shuffled it around the schedule and no one knew what day it was playing. Plus Lynch abandoned the show.
The "How's Annie" moment is the greatest moment in season two. A close second is from the last episode as well: "I'm in the Black Lodge with agent Cooper. I am waiting for you" - who wouldn't have liked to see Major Briggs battleling it out in the Black Lodge in search of the good Cooper?
I just watched TP for the first time this year and I thought that aside from that stretch in the middle, season 2 blew season 1 away, very surprised to hear that people have been saying the opposite for 30 years
Yes! I was the 1000 like! Great video and keep making the Twin Peaks content!
Thank you very much!
rummy you have diverse tastes my friend - looking forward to this channel and any other ones in the future as well :)
Many thanks, Graham. Cheers!
Tim Hunter is a great director. He directed RIVERS EDGE in ‘86. A true classic with a Lynchian edge to it.
I believe he was responsible for that trippy tunnel shot through the ceiling tile in Season 2 (not sure which episode that was). It was a bravado Lynchian flourish that couldn’t have been easy to pull off.
I'm not familiar with RIVERS EDGE, but just quickly glanced it over on IMDB and have now added it to my to-watch list. Thanks for the suggestion.
Those three episodes Hunter directed in Twin Peaks were all fantastic.
@@WowLynchWow it’s fantastic and still holds up today in a big way. I would love to hear your thoughts once you’ve seen it.
I'm definitely looking forward to watching it. May take me some time before I get to it, but I *will* get to it. Cheers!
Love your stuff on TP!
But I am afraid I will have to disagree with you about the "perfect" ending of season 3. Although I enjoyed it tremendously, at its end I thought it had too many doppelgangers, left so many old mysteries open and introduced even more new ones. Finally in Season 3, I missed much of the TP interpersonal chemistry and quirky, often humorous interactions between the main characters. I still miss so much about the world of Twin Peaks....I truly hope David Lynch has one more season up his sleeve....
I understand what you're saying about S3. But for me, despite the shift in tone where we got less of the type of chemistry you're referring to, those 18 hours still provided me with my most enjoyable television viewing experience in my life.
How's Annie?
Everytime I rewatch this series, I enjoy Season 2 more and more. It's bizarre subplots and hilarious goofiness feels like this fun and interesting side mission before you dive into the hellish depths of Season 2 finale, Fire Walk With Me & The Return. Some of it is dumb sure lol, but since this show already established early on that ANYTHING can happen, I think most of it honestly works!! Especially now in retrospect
Love your content and your theories!
season 2 was still fantastic. I loved seeing the characters regardless of what they were doing because I wasn't watching for the mystery only. The stuff with Earle, the cave and the lodges is brilliant. the only part I disliked was the James/Evelyn stuff. the Super Nadine stuff and Audrey romance was tolerable.
Season 2 is so fun a little more lighthearted and silly for sure but its enjoyable to watch. Also theres a lot of iconic moments that TP is known for to this day that didnt happen until season 2.
"I'm gonna go out for a sandwich." My favorite line in all of Twin Peaks!
One of mine as well. The timing in that delivery was sublime.
My favorite, however, will always remain: "Grand. Theft. Auto. The Log Lady stole my truck".
@@WowLynchWow How is it that Pete Martell, Jack Nance, gets to steal the show in both the first and last episodes of the original run!?
A few of the many people that I've gotten hooked on this show, over the last several years, have said that Pete Martell is their favorite character. Who am I to argue!?
How you gonna drop a new video right before I have to go to work??
Lynch did some of the best work of his entire career in Season 2.
Season? This show has a lot of episodes I don’t know about seasons.. like it took place over a very short period of time. The season never changed.
nice to know General Hammond was a resident of Twin Peaks before he took a position to oversee the Stargate-SG 1 operations
LOL Yesss! I'm in the process of rewatching SG1 right now!
Of course, he had to go back in time to become a naval officer and father to Special Agent Dana Scully first…
Honestly the only thing I don't like from seaosn 2 is the James/Evelyn subplot. It literally adds nothing. You skip those scenes and the next mention you have of James is the letter he sends to Donna, nothing of what happened before it's mentioned (unlike with the other subplots like Nadine and Dick Tremayne which carry onto the final episodes). Ben Horne and the Civil War is hilarious and just for the sake of how Richard Beymer plays the whole thing is worth it. The stuff with Nadine is ridiculous but it doesn't bother me and the little Nicky stuff is worth it for the interactions of Andy and Dick.
I largely agree with everything you're saying.
I agree about the James/Evelyn subplot. I don’t get why she said “you’re too honest” or whatever. Like, bro, he ain’t honest. He’s cheated on Donna twice.
As dry as season two can be at times, I have a soft spot for the super Nadine and Little Nicky plots. They’re just so absurd and hilarious 😂
Is this the same guy that does Rummys Corner boxing channel. Voice is exactly the same. Great video
The owls are not what they seem. What makes this season for me is Denise, and Hawk, and when after wondering for a few episodes what was up with Cooper and the flannel shirts, Albert calls Coop out about the flannel shirts. We definitely needed more John Justice Wheeler. ❤
I generally agree with your opinion. But I’d object that the Windom Earle story arc is still much much weaker than the Laura Palmer one. The actor’s portrayal of the character somewhere between goofy and scary certainly didn’t help.
I think it was Bob Iger who was one of the main ones who forced David and Mark's hands in revealing the killer.
Thank you for a new video, enjoyed watching this!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching.
@@WowLynchWow Do you thinks its interesting enough for you to do a video on "The Red Thread" that Mike/Philip mentions to Bob/Leland? I was watching Tenet review and the person suddenly mentioned The Red Thread and the Chinese folklore on "The Red Thread of Fate", about two people destined to meet (and marry), who are previously tied to an invisible red thread. I was wondering, if there is a hint there, even loosely based on, it makes sense if Bob wants to be Laura and Mike/Philip wants to tear the red thread, by giving Laura the Ring, so now Laura belongs to Mike, the spirit, because the The Arm (of that spirit) says the "with this ring, I thee wed", although to Bob, but Bob isn't happy in that scene. Secodly, we see Laura and MFAP holding hands, if im not wrong, in the Red Room, as if they're married.
So it's like a battle between Bob and Mike (MFAP and Philip), on who takes the spirit.
It's probably not that, but it's cool to think in that direction. What do you think?
Unfortunately, whatever it was that Lynch was recently in production on has suffered multiple interruptions. Hard to say what the outcome of that will be and I can only imagine Lynch’s frustration with the current state of Hollywood.
Is this still the Unrecorded Night/Wisteria project that was rumored a few years back?
@@WowLynchWow I can only assume (or hope) so. Very little is known but he announced late last winter that he was getting back onto “the Work Train,” whatever that might imply. My understanding is that he was working on something for Netflix.
I still want to see more Twin Peaks. Lots left to explore, from the connection between Laura and Judy to getting some resolution with beloved characters like Audrey and Annie. But yeah, S2 contained some of the worst scenes and best, more important scenes of the series.
if you don't like the season 2 finale, you don't like twin peaks.
and of course there's "lonely souls" and "may the giant be with you".
Is Twin Peaks your favorite show? If not what is? Love your content and love the return to Twin Peaks.
Yes, Twin Peaks is absolutely my favorite show of all time.
But The Sopranos is a damn close second.
Season 2 definitely had some high quality episodes and powerful momnets on par with season 1. Those B plots though, they were insufferably bad. I'd still love to see a fan edit of the entire season 2 with the superfluous garbage removed. Season 3 was indeed a triumph. I've been following your work since the start of season 3 Geoffrey and I really appreaciate the obvious passion you have for the show, a passion we share completely.
Thank you very much, Michael. Cheers!
I like season 2 better than season 1. The best episodes (8-15) are in season 2. Harold Smith is one of the best characters. Audrey at One Eyed Jack's, Josie's undoing, Andrew Packard's return (played by Cochrane from Halloween 3). I think if that James/Evelyn subplot hadn't been done and other dumb storylines like Little Nicky or the Civil War weren't included, there is not that much to complain about.
At least season 2 was in the PNW! Season three was such a drag as it almost all occurred in the glaring light of southern suburbia
Lynch was pretty discouraged by the middle of season 1. In interviews he's expressed pride for the Pilot but considers everything after to be overly-compromised (and why it was his last network TV venture).
imho the show became largely a _vehicle_ for him to fulfill his contractual obligations to the best extent that he could, despite the show being forced to solve the mystery way too soon.
_No longer a story in it's original purpose,_ but now a container of ideas still called 'Twin Peaks'.
*Clue 1:* "12 rainbow trout' is a key metaphor about the "filler" episodes of season 2. Notice in S03E02 that the black Lincoln's trunk has a piece of trout flesh just sitting in there when Mr C picks up the car from Jack.
*Clue 2:* many 'mysterious' lines in S03 ("got a light?" and "the king and I!" are two of them) are call-backs; "shadows" of the same line heard in the 12 "trout " episodes. e.g. "got a light?" is said by Dick Tremayne a minute before Lelad commits suicide in S02E09 (!!)
I'm still disappointed Mulholland Drive was never picked up as a series, as intended. I believe Lynch learned a lot from his experiences on Twin Peaks, and that MD could have been a brilliant series.
Lynch/Frost actually did do one more show for ABC, a bizarre sitcom called On The Air with Ian Buchanan, Miguel Ferrer and few other TP actors in it. Only 3 out of the 7 episodes made were aired in the US in the Summer of '92.
The world needs the Re-Return of Twin Peaks!
...so, so desperately
I would prefer to see new Lynch material than another Twin Peaks even though I Love it more than my life❤
I can't explain why...but episode 17 always sticks out to me....well the beginning, it seemed like everyone in the town was getting along..if only for a fleeting moment...but that made it seem like a completely different town where no one was angry with eachother
Edit: however you count the pilot and episodes, i mean the episode right after Leland's death
Wowlynchwow is back on TP Season 2!!! TIGHT!!!! TIGHT!!!! TIGHT!!!! YEAH!!!!!
Thanks for that! LOL!
Agent Cooper has been my role model for the past 20 plus years.
5:50 - Stretching out Leland/BOB’s “on the loose” phase would have been interesting, as would an episode or two about how the town deals with the revelation of the killer. Instead, we get a “three days later” message, a funeral for Leland that we never see, and everyone seems to move on.
9:04 - Josie shooting Cooper never made any sense to me. She has no real motive at all to do so. Those episodes always seemed like a rushed effort to close off that cliffhanger from Season 1; there’s some wasted potential there.
I have no proof of this, but I think the storyline with Windom Earle was originally meant for Leland and/or Bob. The taunts, the hunt for the Black Lodge, etc., were supposed to be the part of the Laura Palmer mystery and Frost didn't want to waste the material that had already been conceptualized, so it was repurposed for a new character. I think Leo (in his insubstantial state) still would have been involved as a red herring.
That might explain Windom’s apparent knowledge of the people and relationships in Twin Peaks despite having only recently arrived. However, Albert tells Cooper about Windom’s escape in the second episode of Season 2, which means that a Windom Earle subplot was in the works very early on.
the first 10 seconds of this video was so good
A little off subject but your narrating voice sounds very familiar, are you Denis Leary? But freaking love TP, best show ever, season 2 is not the best but TP's worst is still better than all other TV's best
Hell yeah, Ty! 🙌