here's a topic , those who think the 2020 elections was legitimate and those who sincerely questing the results for a variety of reasons. I would actually go on the show since not only have I been working on VA elections and the various complications that we have discovered with lack of legislative transparency in the way we vote in VA. I've done extremely extensive research on this subject these last 3 years.
I find her both annoying and valid. Overall, her positive qualities outweigh the negative for me. Biggest factor being that she is brutally honest. I appreciate honesty in people, even if they're annoying or dense at times.
Javen is such a checklist tribalist. When he was a liberal he made sure to check all the extreme liberal boxes. Now he’s a republican and checks all the extreme conservative views. He need some milk
I’m glad somebody else said it. Like literally every time he spoke I grew increasingly more annoyed. I’m neither Democrat or Republican… real independent over here.
No, she equated being an emo kid to being more emotional and empathetic & caring about other peoples emotions, which relates more to the left’s values.
Well, that's what a majority of "liberals" sound like these days. Emotional queer cry babies. Normal liberals don't even stand up to those freaks that scream bigotry every 5 seconds just to have a conservation so yeah, the perception is very strong.
emily going from 'I've never cut off a person because of their political beliefs' to saying she knows to 'stay away' when someone has their pronouns in their bio is genuinely laughable
I get what you're saying but those aren't contradictory. To cut someone off, you'd have to had a relationship with them. Staying away from someone online doesn't require cutting them off coz you've probably not even talked to them.
@maggieeastburn Not really though. She was saying that if someone she already knew for a long time decided to put pronouns in their bio, she would stop talking to them, even though she doesn't agree.
@@slightlyaboveaverage2235 yes, speech isn't a political view. However, the underlying view in the speech can be political. And "political" is a pretty meaningless word so literally any view out there is a political view once the government gets involved.
America is literally the hub of politician-loving people, so I'm not sure why you're all acting so surprised. No country cares more about the person rather than their policies like America.
@@spartanworrior4519Watch 26:13 how finally most of the people in the room are in agreement that the dual party system is flawed. This is the part where each side is picking apart the other side yet they can all agree that it’s the system that’s to blame for the division. They also talk about corruption.
Emily made me have to pause multiple times to collect myself and Javan literally went from radical liberalism to radical conservatism, I think he’s just very easily influenced and probably doesn’t think for himself much.
Javen reminded me exactly of my ex-roommate - even down to the way they hesitate as they talk. He too was easily influenced and how he portrayed himself publicly would regularly not align with his behavior in the home.
I hate the term "Pick yourself up by the bootstraps" or w/e it is. Not everyone can be a CEO. THe world still needs cashiers and those people deserve to be able to live a comfortable and healthy life.
So you believe a cashier should be paid equal to that of someone with a trade or other jobs that require more effort? Jobs like fast food, cashiers etc are for young people/second jobs. You can’t be a cashier and expect to provide for a family.
@@Buddystemz Not what I said. I believe the cashier should be able to afford to pay rent, groceries, health insurance, medication, electricity and utilities, School, childcare, Gas, and other basic human necessities. Do you think people should be able to afford a place to live and food on their table after working 40 hours? The point I was making is, if EVERYONE is a CEO then who would be the cashiers? Why be a cashier when you can just be a CEO like everyone else? I'm not saying cashiers need to be able to afford to buy a mansion and a Rolls-Royce, but they should be able to afford to rent an apartment and geed their family and not have to decide whether they eat or medications. Why do you want people to suffer?
@@ImakittyLAWL depends on the job they do. No I don’t think a cashier would or should be able to do all those listed after workin 40 hours. Not all jobs are created equal and some jobs are for part timers or kids just gettin into the workforce and never meant to support a person or especially a family.
Like the other replies here, I would think the natural assumption is that it is those who have only ever been on one side, and not taken the time to properly understand the other, would be the most hostile. These people know both sides so much that few of them have 100% alignment with their 'side' across all issues.
Emily: Ill never cut off a person for their political views. Also Emily: If I see pronouns in your bio I almost know who you are and so who to stay away from. BRUH
There is a clear distinction between those two. "Cutting off" means she would never end a friendship just because of political disagreements. The pronoun thing is people she decides to stay away from and not interact with. Which is fine, her choices to make
Javen was lowkey like extremely scary. You don’t just completely overhaul your worldview and belief system with absolutely no overlap without some other factors being in play whether it’s internal or external. Also saying he thinks his own family members are sexually perverse for simply existing is really sad.
It's sad when you see actual indoctrination. To fully reject absolutely everything you stood for so absolutely and without nuance seldom happens without a lot of outside influence.
Fr! Like I saw so many comments praising this for being a respectful debate but he was fr out here saying that queer people are perverse lol. It’s insaneeee. Idk why people refuse to see queer people as just… normal people. I have a lot of LGBT people in my bubble and everyone who isn’t LGBT is abundantly accepting and understanding. It’s always such a shock to see people like this actually still exist.
javen’s one extreme to another is actually a bit worrying to me. he seems very brainwashed & lacking his own identity and opinion, whereas the others all held a stronger grasp on their own opinions and identity, changing some, yet keeping others, and such. for example, strongly empathising with the lgbt community and being an ally turning to a strong hatred where you view the lgbt (or alphabet as he said) as perverted. it’s very concerning how much he seems to lack a genuine grasp of his own identities and opinions and seems to be so stuck into his current ideologies to the point he says he will never, and he emphasises that again, go back to any former opinions. i hope he can get a proper grasp on himself as an individual and form his own opinions and such.
I think a tragic flaw that people have, regardless of their side, is that they assume that they have things completely figured out, whether it’s about our elections, the media, or gender politics, you never hear people show humility in how actually little they know about the nuances of each topic and will give oversimplified takes so confidently.
I agree. To me, the truth lives in the grey area & people so desperately want it to be black & white & it just isn’t. The internet has also really ramped this lack of nuance up bc people can just find huge echo chambers that give the illusion of things being absolute.
It could also be that there was some editing done or that they didn't have enough time for the topic, I'm sure there may be some reaction videos later on where they can go more on the topic but I agree it's hard to believe that some of these are just black and white.
there’s no goddamn way Emily was liberal. she joyfully spouted about every conservative cliche in the first 10 seconds her mouth opened. she probably just voted liberal because she got confused.
I bet her pro choice belief made her think she was a part of the liberal side despite her other beliefs. I feel like she hasn’t changed her beliefs, just changed what side she identifies with.
No I can believe that she was, because I have seen people who were once very conservative turn extreme liberal over time. It happens to a lot of people going in and out of both camps.
Well, liberal to conservative means that they either got super religious, or were indoctrinated/ given self hatred or some other form of hatred by someone in a minority group usually, and conservative to liberal is just people mentally maturing and making it so their views arent all for their own self interest/ gain.
@@BRIYUHH see this youre part of the problem by saying when someone switches from lib to con its because this and that someone got to them and yayaya and being like oh con to lib is because they matured they got smarter is the stupidest thing i have ever read basically bringing us backwards SMH
I don't think Emily is either democratic nor republican. I think she went on this strictly for views. She talks like a very stereotypical republican you'd mock tbh. She did it for the publicity. She uses buzz words rather than actual logical thoughts to explain herself. Yikes.
@@calmyourmind5665i seriously thought that was just camera angling but i noticed that she seemed to be in the middle a lot as well. She sat down for EVERY topic so far but im only halfway through.
I love the premise here because everyone arguing for one side intimately understands the other. Which is something I think is often lacking in American political discourse
@@dr1flush Being someone that went through the change in political ideas... you are wrong. While I am no conservative I am no longer a liberal in the current sense. I know what it means, I know what and WHY they think the way the do... and now I know why the conservatives do as well. I am just not in the bubble of either side anymore.
@@TierDvikit almost seems as though if everyone started getting real and used more independent thought, rather than herd behavior, then maybe we could eventually agree to disagree and just vote our preferences.
@@JrobAlmighty And as it was pointed out. There are plenty of people in power that dont WANT us thinking or voting that way. It makes sense... they lose power the more independent we the people become.
@@luismartins1713 Yeah, what they should have said is that the don't believe in stating your pronouns. That they think which pronoun one should use should be self evident. Which usually it is.
Wait…I’m confused. We were all taught what pronouns were in school - the traditional pronouns (his, her, we, its, them, your, our etc). But now there’s a list of a bagillion pronouns and I thought it was all a recent phenomenon. Are you saying they werent recently created? Her point was pronouns are basically descriptive so she choose “pronouns” that describe her (she choose adjectives). If you are creating pronouns and they can be whatever you want, why can’t you even use adjectives? Rationalizing one and not accepting the other seems rather absurd.
@@dustierbottoms Not really. You can just use "they" for anyone. I've been at a liberal school for 4 years. Still haven't heard anyone use neopronouns. But if they did, I could either remember those pronouns, or use their name or use "they".
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d wait just because you haven’t witnessed anyone using neopronouns, are you saying those people don’t exist? Bc neopronouns exist, they must be preferred pronouns for some people. And I imagine you would be someone that will respect their wishes. So, respect the wishes of someone that wishes to be addressed as princess. I don’t see how your point is relevant. And “they” implies 2 or more people. A English rule that was broken and redefined to accommodate a select group.
the reason why this was so pleasant is because both sides have empathy for their previous positions. Also, there's always that voice inside that still agrees with your previous positions whether or not you no longer cognitively or intellectually agree with it.
As someone who has changed their beliefs drastically over the past decade, this is something that I have struggled with at times, as well as why I feel this might be one of the best episodes yet.
I didn't think about this. Yes, I feel they DID listen to each other & have more empathy etc. more than some people in some other episodes and maybe the reason you said is why, cos they DO have empathy for their previous positions.
He's really had a number done on him he's literally like a conservative news anchor just repeating the same script and talking points and mentality no matter the nuance of the topic or flow of the discussion
@@stephniekYes. It is an emotional and ideological form of transphobia. He considers trans people to be living in perversion and no matter what love he may still hold for his trans family member, his perspective will cause them emotional harm
@@jesusbarrera6916 Blonde, weirdly sarcastic tone, annoying high pitched voice, obsessive over something they have no idea about (in this case politics). I could go on but I don't want to list every single thing about her lol.
Bro how did the blond girl say she would never cut someone off for their political beliefs but then say if you have pronouns in your bio that means she can assume where your beliefs lie in a lot of areas and she stays away… like the hypocrisy is pretty unreal
@@Indie_Livelike don’t get me wrong she was acc one of my favourites and I agreed with a lot of her view points but I still feel those too sentences sooo close to each other was a bit wild 😂
@@ppgurl420 probably is, but if you have seen a specific trait in a lot of really annoying people would you really want to start talking to people with that trait? Probably not
She's an exact type of conservative woman where I live. The only thing I don't believe is that she was ever a liberal. Getting called a city slicker for a week by your dad because you refused to keep riding horses when he wouldn't get you a pony doesn't mean you were a liberal.
Thank you for having me on Jubilee. Although I am disappointed to see the majority of my moments cut out and put behind a paywall, I still am grateful for the opportunity. Thanks again for putting this together 😊
I really appreciated your takes in this exchange! Didn't know of you as a content creator before this, but am definitely subscribing to see more of your takes.
Moviegoer's twenty dollars down Loves to throw their film knowledge around the workplace Movie director is going down too Twenty million dollars, still nobody understands youuuuuuuuu
This was quite literally the political equivalent of that 😂, I highly doubt a single one of them has read and finished a single book on theory, whether it be Marxist or otherwise…
Javen's heart was beating out of his chest at 34:38. There's something uneasy about him. Like there is something deeper going on with him internally. His defense of literal authoritarian governments was also shocking to witness. Him calling the "alphabet community" "perverse" was also an extreme jump. I really hope that he finds inner peace and surpasses whatever struggle he's going through.
you honestly can make a case that Authoritarian style proves superior, as exemplified by Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China, especially when comparing GDP advancement within the last 20 -30 year timeframe compared to their regional surrounding democratic counterparts..... Realize that if you take yourself out of a USA bubble, there are plenty of 15-party and 2-party democratic systems in the world that don't have better outcomes compared to Javen's referenced countries, especially in the recent timeframe. So, his point a 2-party system is not necessarily a horrible thing... especially if your asking for more parties. but theirs something internally wrong with him?
"You can pick yourself up AND you can except welfare." Yes. Yes! It does not make someone bad or lazy or incapable or less than to be open to receiving support and resourcing!! Humans are designed to thrive through interdependence and love. There is too much oppressive inequality and unfair, unsustainable power dynamics and hardship in the world for it to be as simple as "pick yourself up by your bootstraps." It truly is not always that simple. There is so much more I could say on that, some of it from lived experience. It takes strength to be willing to ask for help. Help literally saves lives.❤
Working Poverty is the first sign that capitalism and min wage levels have failed the fact people have to work full time or have multiple jobs AND claim some welfare to bridge a gap in home financing and budgeting to pay for basics just shows it doesn't work and you can't just 'mentality' your way out of these external factors out of your control. People got sleep, eat, rest and have a life outside of the grind!
There should be no shame in taking the help offered and working to do better. The problem I see with welfare is once you're on it, you're very often stuck. It's a very carefully designed system to ensure you can't become self sufficient without having your legs kicked out from under you. Thus, you end up stuck, and people think it's your fault.
Javen needs help. You can tell he's been brainwashed and probably conversion therapy-ed. Hope someday he can come out and let go of the self-hatred and projection.
YES I was just thinking that. As an atheist, he reminds me of other atheists who specifically have been hurt or traumatized by Christian Fundamentalism and go atheist to rebel against everything they were taught. He seems traumatized and hurt, not like he actually believes in what he’s saying. It’s like he’s TRYING to be contrarian. It’s sad.
depends.. 99.9999% of them yes.. but the likes of vivek ramaswamy is different. Outsiders that come in that aren't supported by the system and are actively shut down by the system should be propped up by the american people.
@@sonnecarver Why should they be propped up? Vivek openly supports Russia and believes that Ukraine should bend to Russia's demands. Not to mention, he's a multimillionaire, so I wouldn't consider him an "outsider" in the Republican party
Thank you! t kinda feels unfair that there showing these (important) conversations claiming to be neutral whilst cutting things out to make the two sides seem ‘balanced’
I’d love to also see another liberal vs conservative but this time with a couple people from each generation (gen Z, millennials, gen x, and baby boomers). I think a lot of interesting points could be brought up with a diverse age group who have lived through many different experiences!
'It was very very very traumatic to become conservative' says Javen after his whole 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps and don't complain' speech? Wow.
Found that comment hilarious considering it is literaly impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Like the physics doesn't work, and it says so much about that particular saying
Its a phrase/metaphor. “A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn't literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison.” Classic liberal making decisions based off of an emotional base rather than a logical one.😂
@@saramysko1022 And you are the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect. None of us here needed you to copy and paste the definition of a metaphor, sweetie. Zelda is correct. A metaphor only works if the premises are 1:1. The bootstrap metaphor is using a physical scenario in order to illustrate an abstract concept. However, the scenario isn't possible according to the laws of physics and therefore, the metaphor doesn't make any sense because you cannot equate it to the situation abstractly. If, physically, it were possible to pick yourself up by your bootstraps, the metaphor would hold water. I know you're a little lacking in brain cells, so please just do a little more reading on parts of speech. Abstract thinking is clearly not your strength.
Love how this was so much less hostile and less influencer oriented than other recent videos. Nice to see people actually finding middle ground instead of treating this as a hostile debate
Literally what I was thinking, both sides have their own stories and valid reasons and manage to still agree with each other on some things. Its refreshing to just see two groups of people from different beliefs have a calm mature conversation
Unironically saying "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" makes anything else you say largely irrelevant. Tough love is very important, but tough love is not the same as being completely hands off and letting people suffer needlessly.
Yep. Thankfully these days the original meaning of that phrase is coming back to cultural understanding. It's literally an impossible task and worded that way. Kind of makes me want to see where that meaning flip flopped, who brought it about, and if it was intentional.
I agree, some people are born without any hypothetical “boot straps” to lift themselves up with (or would hands be better to say?). It’s our duty as a society to help people who need it, as it also helps us as a collective.
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But the thing is Republicans back school choice, birthing centers, and have charites for widows and single mothers. Republicans are significantly more charitable than Liberals. So we put our money where it counts.
@@jessycac6311you're still not understanding. The whole point is it doesn't matter if you have them or not, it's physically impossible to lift yourself up using them.
It’s because you have a room full of people who are comfortable with challenging their own beliefs. These are the friend groups you should surround yourself with if you want to grow.
@Magst3r1 LITERALLY in every single debate, the comments are like "wow this is the most respectful debate I've ever seen". like they'd probably say that if two people started beating each other up in the middle of the panel 💀
Emily did contradict herself, when she said she would never cut someone off for their personal political beliefs, then proceeds to also say she would stay away from people who didn’t have the same political beliefs.
In theory, my beliefs and takes on politics agree with her, but she as a person strikes me as insufferable, attention seeking and annoying… which leads me to think that it is perfectly okay to disagree with someone on your political sphere, if they lack common sense it's game over.
She was contradicting herself on almost anything. She sits down and says one thing, then another person sits down and says something opposite of that and she says "oh yeah totalaayyy" 🙄 She's just a grifter. She acts like an AI chatbot - she will agree with anything as long as the interaction continues.
I actually liked Emily’s take on politics; she is definitely Conservative but she agreed with a lot of liberal beliefs except when it came to pronouns.
Just the fact that they were thoughtful and flexible enough to change their views in the first place explains how they managed to have such an effective discussion. They've all had the same experience of unsubscribing from an ideology and building their own view from scratch. I think we'd all be better at solving world problems together with this sort of drive for independent thinking. Thanks Jubilee for your Middle Ground series👍
Yes!! I feel this way too! I see and can understand where people on both sides are coming from. I also fall somewhere in the middle politically… as many of these people seem to.
Honestly, this was THE BEST episode yet. Everyone was able to articulate their points and everyone seemed receptive to the other persons points. This was genuinely great to see and give me more hope in the future!!
Javen reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Grew up very religious (Christian) and was always espousing those beliefs until he met an Imam and fully converted to Islam. Then later he started hanging with a more liberal group and abandoned religion and became pro-LGBT etc. He was just so easily influenced, his entire life philosophy became based on whatever direction someone else steered him in.
People change, bro 😎 Don’t hate on another person’s evolution because of the degree or volume of change, unless you truly understand their reasons Let’s be more compassionate as a society
As someone who is part of the "alphabet community", I'm a 28 y/o who do not want a partner, I don't have nor want to have sex. How in the wooorld is that sexually perverted smh
As a moderate conservative, Keri is the only conservative panel guest that I respect intellectually. No offense but the other three don't seem very intelligent.
There is always that one participant that talks wherever a second of silence lingers. And today it's Emily. She talked for about 80% of the air time, while adding the least to the conversations. So weird.
Shes delusional - I could tell within 2 questions that she was going to have some CRAZY talking points. Nothing she said added to the conversation, and for someone who thinks liberals are "too emotional", she certainly spoke about how she "feels" a lot - she doesn't have any factual basis for her beliefs. Heck she doesn't even know WHAT a pronoun is, she just knows she doesn't like them. Conservatives are all toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram because they think they're being told what to do - they don't want to educate themselves, they just want to get their own way. Its so embarrassing.
Actually Emily is in the best position of all these guests. She has a middle ground mindset. I understand why you're saying that tho. But the few things she added were powerful. I'm sure most people would agree with you tho
i think its because in this case, the debate isnt happening based on stuff thats identity-based. its natural that once you focus on stuff that people feel instead of how people feel they are, they're not gonna be as intense.
You should watch the unedited version, Hunter, Avalon posted it, and the reason the debate looks civil is because they cut out like 90% of it. Truly some incredible moments that I have no idea why they cut out in the uncut version.
Kari is one of the best guests you’ve had on this show - articulate, kind and thoughtful. No matter your perspective, it’s nice to witness someone substantial discussing hard topics
I think her podcast now is Kerfefe Break. I’ve followed her for 4 years back when she used to part of Unsafe Space. Heads up, you will find burned bridges and skeletons with other people in her past if you look. But yes, overall, she’s a net positive in the online political sphere.
@@Zenith9132 it does not stop to amaze me, that the last pres election was between a dude whose sons are named Donald and Eric and a dude whose sons are called Hunter and Beau. If you knew none of them, i feel like theres no way youd correctly guess their party affiliation
Javen is a certified kool-aid drinker, no matter what side he's on. It's like dude doesn't know how to think for himself at all. From one extreme to another.
It's the horseshow theory, he's definetly authoritarian he jump from black supremacy to traditional fascism without passing through any middle ground. 🧲
Haha yea I'm so glad this is obvious. Boy really needs his hand held .he will take everything to the most extreme. Probably has not one original thought in there
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 His beliefs weren't individual though. He even said he'd be in favor of a authoritarian government. That's anything but individual. He swings from one extreme to the other with his beliefs, strongly identifying with either political party to the point of it becoming his entire personality. That is not an individualistic trait in the slightest.
Wow, GREAT episode. This is what Middle Ground is all about! As the episode went on, pretty much all of them became more and more respectful, expressed their own opinions while simultaneously working to connect with the other side. Well done!👍
It really took me until 14:23 To realize that was Hunter Avallon. He's a really interesting character because when I was very Republican. He was one of the people I would watch but slowly I stopped watching those people and develop my views. And when I came back to see those perspectives again I saw he had also changed. mad respect
Honestly, same. It's refreshing to see that at least some social media personalities are capable of genuine reflection and growth, even at the risk of their established audiences and connections.
The least hostile because they cut everything out. Watch the video behind the paywall. It is literally night and day. This video actually made me so mad because it is a lie.
Oh see I disagree lol. I felt they were all holding back their true thoand feelings at the expense of "getting along". It was way too safe and contrived for me.
@@egwene7793 Its True that Americans are the least likely culture to become expats in another country. They are the least likely to leave America. That's a 100% Fact and I've been an expat in many countries and American's are the last culture you'll see.
@@egwene7793That’s not saying much.. A vast majority of human beings on Earth would qualify as knowing very little about the countries, peoples, cultures/customs of the other nations around the globe.. the fact you didn’t know that is an example of your own limited knowledge regarding the world around you.
@@DaBoi2Nycevery debatable. Education in the US is hugely lacking and is a big reason why Americans seem to be so disconnected from the rest of the world.
Except when the prompt of “Changing political sides was traumatic for me” came on - *every* former liberal stepped forward, whilst only 1 former conservative stepped forward (and she was the one raised in a weirdly religious family). IMO, if both sides were equally tribalistic and cultish - then an even amount of people from *both* sides would have stepped forward on that prompt.
@@amberjulia123 Sampling bias. There's no way a group of 10 people can represent Americans equally. Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't change the fact that the two party system is very polarizing. I'm sure hundreds of thousands or millions of both former Republicans and Democrats have had traumatic experiences switching sides. But saying one is side is worse at something than the other is very polarizing to both sides.
@@amberjulia123conformation bias. You can't see the full picture when the video only presents the expeirences of 8 people out of tens of thousands. Also note that many of the people i Jubilee's videos are influencers and aren't picked randomly
It's definitely an interesting dynamic where the new generations of conservatives and liberals are more open to beliefs normally held by the other side. At least there is a ray of hope that people are more open to new ideas despite still holding on to the party system.
Well a lot of us are fighting for the same things, better living conditions, healthy lifestyles, affordable insurance, less government telling us how to live our lives etc. We just can’t agree on exactly how to go about it which is what open honest discussions hopefully lead us to when we start dropping our dogmatic opinions.
i disagree fully. I'm young I have seen more division in the younger folks than the older folks. My generation wouldn't be friends with conservatives for them being so.
So cool to see Hunter Avallone here. I’ve loved seeing his political glow up. Usually these feel so lopsided with Daily Wire media-trained people on the R side, random college students on the L side.
Lmfao glow up..dude went for having common sense to pretending men can get pregnant and being a huge loser pandering to the most unhinged takes on the internet.
Why hasn't @jubilee added video chapter headings for this evening episode? It really would help viewers to skip to specific prompt questions. I'd say this is a basic feature that seasoned TH-cam Channel creators such as @jubilee should be incorporating consistently across all its content.
There's no way Javen is going to claim conservatives aren't triggered by pronouns lmfao. There's a viral video of one screeching over a video game asking for your gender LOL. They are constantly whining about it, it's all they talk about
@@Sylv01222 I don't really care if you think liberals were annoying with it. That's just your feelings bud. We use pronouns everyday, you getting triggered over someone telling you theirs is just your feelings. The fact is, conservatives are the new SJW's. all they do is whine about social issues. its pathetic.
@@billsherman1565 I never said we got triggered over pronouns, you fail to understand that its not the pronouns, but what they symbolize and the cult that's behind. It was explained by someone in the video
its really interesting to compare emily and javen in this debate, you can tell emily has some valuable pluralistic beliefs but she hides behind the "fun" of being a conservative (she makes fun of pronouns, other grifty stuff), but with javen its genuinely scary... you can tell he's being dragged around by his trauma to whichever cult accomodates him at the time
Yeah because how do you go through such a complete mental overhaul. How do you go from caring about your trans family members straight to thinking they're pedophiles?
This was honestly one of the best, most productive middle ground episodes (on the liberal vs conservative topic) yet. Their understanding of each others' beliefs and past experiences opened up room for a much more nuanced and respectful conversation. I like how they rarely got too caught up in those trigger-points and buzz-word topics that only really end up going in circles, and focused more on the deeper layers that inform the different ideologies. So many great points from both sides!
It really did! And I think everyone listened to each other really well. And as you say, yes I think cos they could relate cos they had thought similar ways in the past to the other side.
I think Javen is the side of conservatives that I don't agree with. He doesn't seem to want to see that he or his "side" could be wrong and continues to justify his own viewpoint. I think he did this more than the other panelists.
I know it can be entertaining to watch people bicker and be at each others throats but I’m honestly pleasantly surprised that they were able to have such a professional and respectful conversation about politics. Hopefully some people who watched this realized that we can have respectful conversations like this and that we have more in common then we think.
You see more of this when both sides hold their bad players to account for their actions rather than making excuses for them. Either side if someone is so indoctrinated they can't handle an opposing opinion then it's them as an individual who have a problem they need to deal with and while their side back them up for simply "voting the same way" it leads to zero productive discussion and nothing gets done as a result. Both sides need to learn to compromise as both sides get a lot of things wrong.
@@williamcooper9379 where you can afford doesn't have jobs because we're in end stage capitalism and everything is a monopoly and wealth is being hoarded at the top. it's not trickling down and the workers are being exploited. you really expect minimum wage workers to continue to work in cities they can't afford to live in?
I also love how the term itself is supposed to indicate something physically impossible. You CANNOT “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” thats the entire point of the phrase.
It's always "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" while ignoring that a majority of human life we have had a community to depend on. When was the last time you asked your neighbor for sugar? Also, the bootstraps quote was originally used to refer to a task that is impossible. Etymology is fun
Lol yeah it sounds like he's never actually thought about it. He just read or watched stuff and ran with it. Now that he's having to say it out loud by himself he's realising it's all inconsistent and doesn't make sense.
i know the ex liberals were saying that conservatives are rarely even offended but tbh I think they are just passive aggressive. and how he seems so CONFUSED 😭 it's like he doesn't know what he believes anymore. it's crazy seeing grown adults silently argue with each other. I would probably cry after being in one of these Jubilee's
@@mortalakira some* i only watched all the clips on tiktok and then a little on his youtube but that was the reason i came to watch this video cuz i saw those first
As someone who has watched Hunter on youtube for years and had my beliefs switch around the same time that his did it was very nice to see him in this group and see how he has grown as a person.
Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/more-on-patreon "Religion played a part in changing my beliefs."
No
here's a topic , those who think the 2020 elections was legitimate and those who sincerely questing the results for a variety of reasons. I would actually go on the show since not only have I been working on VA elections and the various complications that we have discovered with lack of legislative transparency in the way we vote in VA. I've done extremely extensive research on this subject these last 3 years.
Women who are pro-sex work vs women who are anti-sex work
Yeah ngl lost respect for Jubilee when I found out they are putting content behind a paywall. How tacky.
@@user-wm1zg1dh8f really tacky 🤦🏽♀️
I just know this wasn't emily's first time saying 'well my pronouns are now pretty princess'
Only Yasmin from bratz is called pretty princess. Sorry Emily
She literally used pronouns in that sentence 😭 “my” is a possessive pronoun
@@chateaulobbyshe’s did
She aint wrong though. She did 'serve' as @chateaulobby puts it.
@@alecklecky Love how conservatives only have one joke
The way Blake kept bursting out laughing at Emily was sending me. He could not take her serious lmfao
He was struggling to not call her a clown (like she deserved).
How is she at all a clown, @@EM-rm2xh?
Probably thinking in his head ain't no way she's real. She's here for a check. Because that's exactly what I keep thinking.
@@losergoddess6277 cheque “”””
she has to be a troll
People being very personally invested in presidents is weird. It's delusional and cult like.
Yep worshiping false idols
the president is just the newest celebrity
Tbh it's not like that at all its only because who the president is affects the our daily lives.
Yep it also seems to be an American thing most foreigners don’t attach themselves to politicians
Most of these people are on their way to fascist ideology
I don’t think Emily’s friends cut her off just because she’s conservative 😬
they cut her off couse she is annoying
I like her.
@@petereames3041 well ur a nobody on the internet of course u do
@@petereames3041I do too.
I find her both annoying and valid. Overall, her positive qualities outweigh the negative for me. Biggest factor being that she is brutally honest. I appreciate honesty in people, even if they're annoying or dense at times.
Javen is such a checklist tribalist. When he was a liberal he made sure to check all the extreme liberal boxes. Now he’s a republican and checks all the extreme conservative views. He need some milk
I’m glad somebody else said it. Like literally every time he spoke I grew increasingly more annoyed. I’m neither Democrat or Republican… real independent over here.
He went from a progressive pos to conservative pos
@@ivorythorntonpogue2070fr
I’d call this an over correction.
Leave him alone
I would love to see Liberal immigrants vs. Conservative immigrants
This!
!!!!!!!!!!
Conservative migrant 💪🏿🇬🇪💯
I am a conservative immigrant! I would totally be down to participate!
I agree because I never understood why conservatives escape their conservative countries and still try to empose those ideas
I don’t really believe Emily was ever “liberal” like she claims. She equates being a former liberal to “i literally used to be an emo kid”.
no fr💀💀
No, she equated being an emo kid to being more emotional and empathetic & caring about other peoples emotions, which relates more to the left’s values.
She didnt equate being emo to being liberal. She equated emo and empathetic
Well, that's what a majority of "liberals" sound like these days. Emotional queer cry babies. Normal liberals don't even stand up to those freaks that scream bigotry every 5 seconds just to have a conservation so yeah, the perception is very strong.
She’s correct! When emo kid grow up to be emo adult they become conservative incels. 😂
emily going from 'I've never cut off a person because of their political beliefs' to saying she knows to 'stay away' when someone has their pronouns in their bio is genuinely laughable
I get what you're saying but those aren't contradictory. To cut someone off, you'd have to had a relationship with them. Staying away from someone online doesn't require cutting them off coz you've probably not even talked to them.
principle is the same- aversion based on political belief@@pythondrink
@maggieeastburn Not really though. She was saying that if someone she already knew for a long time decided to put pronouns in their bio, she would stop talking to them, even though she doesn't agree.
@maggieeastburn having to tell people your pronouns when their opposite agreed upon usage isn't a political view.
@@slightlyaboveaverage2235 yes, speech isn't a political view. However, the underlying view in the speech can be political. And "political" is a pretty meaningless word so literally any view out there is a political view once the government gets involved.
Emily has GOT to be trolling you cannot be that delusional. Saying you love any politician is insane behavior
America is literally the hub of politician-loving people, so I'm not sure why you're all acting so surprised. No country cares more about the person rather than their policies like America.
To me, "grifter" is a term that fits even better.
She worked for NewsMax. That should tell you enough
i think the term is cuntrarian...
Delusional how?
I’m RELIEVED that they’re FINALLY talking about government corruption instead of fighting with each other.
Same. Society have more in common then they think and that's because the govt puts labels on us to keep us divided
But they didn’t actually address anything that leads to govt corruption
@@spartanworrior4519Watch 26:13 how finally most of the people in the room are in agreement that the dual party system is flawed. This is the part where each side is picking apart the other side yet they can all agree that it’s the system that’s to blame for the division. They also talk about corruption.
The government did a great job of really dividing us
@@spartanworrior4519 Blud did not watch the whole video
It felt like Emily was auditioning for a conservative talk show.
Female Dave Rubin
She's not conservative.
REAL
We know she worship Pearl
...Well, she'd be certainly great at the job.
Javen: “I was a big ally of the LGBT community”. Javen, I have news for you 💅
FR LIKE BRO, ARE YOU NOTTT GAY?
You don’t have to be an ally of the alphabet crew just because you’re gay. There are tons of gays that disagree with the alphabet community
@@DaveSchnitzel I hate when white men speak
@@DaveSchnitzel my fellow based gays 🥰
stop straight feminine guys erased, its not cool
Emily's confusing pronouns with adjectives. My prefered adjectives are funny, smart, and goodlooking.
Princess is a noun.
@@sumurssno Pretty is not a noun.
And so are every other moron using pronouns. Seek mental help if you feel the need to use pronouns and force others to do so
And yet you fail to get the point she was making
@@Moving_Castles4278you failed to get her point... so call her what she wants to be called, you racist bigot.
Please make Socialists vs Liberals! So there'll be no more confusion surrounding Liberalism
Thissss
Destiny vs Hasan LET’S GOOOO!
They currently have a casting call for that, though as leftists vs liberals.
@@Norrieificationno not again pls 😭
And facist vs Conservatives
Emily made me have to pause multiple times to collect myself and Javan literally went from radical liberalism to radical conservatism, I think he’s just very easily influenced and probably doesn’t think for himself much.
glad i wasn't the only one who had to pause the video after something she said
She is the worst
How to think for yourself?
Sounds like you have a problem hearing other people’s opinions.
Javen reminded me exactly of my ex-roommate - even down to the way they hesitate as they talk. He too was easily influenced and how he portrayed himself publicly would regularly not align with his behavior in the home.
I hate the term "Pick yourself up by the bootstraps" or w/e it is. Not everyone can be a CEO. THe world still needs cashiers and those people deserve to be able to live a comfortable and healthy life.
So you believe a cashier should be paid equal to that of someone with a trade or other jobs that require more effort? Jobs like fast food, cashiers etc are for young people/second jobs. You can’t be a cashier and expect to provide for a family.
@@Buddystemz Not what I said. I believe the cashier should be able to afford to pay rent, groceries, health insurance, medication, electricity and utilities, School, childcare, Gas, and other basic human necessities. Do you think people should be able to afford a place to live and food on their table after working 40 hours?
The point I was making is, if EVERYONE is a CEO then who would be the cashiers? Why be a cashier when you can just be a CEO like everyone else? I'm not saying cashiers need to be able to afford to buy a mansion and a Rolls-Royce, but they should be able to afford to rent an apartment and geed their family and not have to decide whether they eat or medications. Why do you want people to suffer?
@@ImakittyLAWL depends on the job they do. No I don’t think a cashier would or should be able to do all those listed after workin 40 hours. Not all jobs are created equal and some jobs are for part timers or kids just gettin into the workforce and never meant to support a person or especially a family.
@@ImakittyLAWL I take it you’re very liberal from your responses?
@@Buddystemz I think your deserve 1 dollar per hour for your work.
This was surprisingly less hostile than anticipated
Because they understand where the other side is coming from.
i wouldnt think it would cuz they been in both sides ,
Like the other replies here, I would think the natural assumption is that it is those who have only ever been on one side, and not taken the time to properly understand the other, would be the most hostile. These people know both sides so much that few of them have 100% alignment with their 'side' across all issues.
It's an issue though. How are multiple people perpetrating the lie about the election being "rigged" with barely any pushback? That's dangerous.
The blonde girl was hella passive aggressive
Emily: Ill never cut off a person for their political views. Also Emily: If I see pronouns in your bio I almost know who you are and so who to stay away from. BRUH
There is a clear distinction between those two. "Cutting off" means she would never end a friendship just because of political disagreements. The pronoun thing is people she decides to stay away from and not interact with. Which is fine, her choices to make
dude thats the most disingenuous comparison. do liberals lack elementary comprehension lol
@@xenolith5032 but u arn't just born with pronoun in the bio it gradually gets added, so is she sstaying away this friend now? probably
She's not wrong
And where is the problem in that!?
Javen was lowkey like extremely scary. You don’t just completely overhaul your worldview and belief system with absolutely no overlap without some other factors being in play whether it’s internal or external. Also saying he thinks his own family members are sexually perverse for simply existing is really sad.
He is clearly deeply troubled and is grasping from one extreme to another
It's sad when you see actual indoctrination. To fully reject absolutely everything you stood for so absolutely and without nuance seldom happens without a lot of outside influence.
i thought it was just me
@@thomasjefferson6334 LMAO, now all liberals are on drugs ? classic braindead assumption coming from a classic braindead conservative
Fr! Like I saw so many comments praising this for being a respectful debate but he was fr out here saying that queer people are perverse lol. It’s insaneeee. Idk why people refuse to see queer people as just… normal people.
I have a lot of LGBT people in my bubble and everyone who isn’t LGBT is abundantly accepting and understanding. It’s always such a shock to see people like this actually still exist.
Javen seems like one of those people who managed to get themselves brainwashed by Charles Manson. 😂
He's pretty based now. Liberal commenter on this chanel are insufferable.
@@dani_i8942 Brain rot
It's because your bases are ridiculously crazy now and built on a cult leader
@@hanginthere008 What are my “bases” and who is my cult leader?
javen’s one extreme to another is actually a bit worrying to me. he seems very brainwashed & lacking his own identity and opinion, whereas the others all held a stronger grasp on their own opinions and identity, changing some, yet keeping others, and such.
for example, strongly empathising with the lgbt community and being an ally turning to a strong hatred where you view the lgbt (or alphabet as he said) as perverted.
it’s very concerning how much he seems to lack a genuine grasp of his own identities and opinions and seems to be so stuck into his current ideologies to the point he says he will never, and he emphasises that again, go back to any former opinions. i hope he can get a proper grasp on himself as an individual and form his own opinions and such.
Yeah I agree. Everyone else had reasoning and stuck to their own.
He’s just young and learning . Y’all need to have grace. Like calm down..
Poor guy is just stuck. I wish the best for him.
@@chicken122333 when did i seem as if i wasn’t calm?
Im surprised noone like even responded to what he said really
I think a tragic flaw that people have, regardless of their side, is that they assume that they have things completely figured out, whether it’s about our elections, the media, or gender politics, you never hear people show humility in how actually little they know about the nuances of each topic and will give oversimplified takes so confidently.
I agree. To me, the truth lives in the grey area & people so desperately want it to be black & white & it just isn’t. The internet has also really ramped this lack of nuance up bc people can just find huge echo chambers that give the illusion of things being absolute.
🫰👏👏👏👏
It could also be that there was some editing done or that they didn't have enough time for the topic, I'm sure there may be some reaction videos later on where they can go more on the topic but I agree it's hard to believe that some of these are just black and white.
But that's their truth. It's just what they feel 🤷
@overlordfemto7523Thank you. I rolled my eyes so much that I thought I'd be going blind.
I don’t think Emily was a former liberal, she just _realised_ she wasn’t liberal.
Ooh, kind of like me!
How you met liberals these days? They're insane.
Well she did say she was a former-emo kid and she def has that early 2000's emo internet kid vibe
@@Chelsea123Chiii kinda get the feeling her definition of her being emo was just wearing eyeliner and black hoodies (which is in fact not emo)
@@m00nm1lk Nah she's def the raWR OmG
there’s no goddamn way Emily was liberal. she joyfully spouted about every conservative cliche in the first 10 seconds her mouth opened. she probably just voted liberal because she got confused.
I bet her pro choice belief made her think she was a part of the liberal side despite her other beliefs. I feel like she hasn’t changed her beliefs, just changed what side she identifies with.
No I can believe that she was, because I have seen people who were once very conservative turn extreme liberal over time. It happens to a lot of people going in and out of both camps.
Voting liberal because you're confused is a very liberal thing.
@@gracenote108 making lazy jokes is a very dumbass thing
That has become the prerequisite.
I would’ve liked to hear what caused them to change their beliefs.
for hunter it was having kids. He's been very vocal about how having kids changed his views
Well, liberal to conservative means that they either got super religious, or were indoctrinated/ given self hatred or some other form of hatred by someone in a minority group usually, and conservative to liberal is just people mentally maturing and making it so their views arent all for their own self interest/ gain.
@@BRIYUHH see this youre part of the problem by saying when someone switches from lib to con its because this and that someone got to them and yayaya and being like oh con to lib is because they matured they got smarter is the stupidest thing i have ever read basically bringing us backwards SMH
@@BRIYUHHThat “mentally maturing” aspect could be used for liberal to conservative. Agree with the the focus towards self tho.
@@BarcelonaBlitzer you should read my paragraph too if you really believe it to be vice versa.
I don't think Emily is either democratic nor republican. I think she went on this strictly for views. She talks like a very stereotypical republican you'd mock tbh. She did it for the publicity. She uses buzz words rather than actual logical thoughts to explain herself. Yikes.
Totally.
She should not have been on this episode. Jubilee should vet these discussions better, first maybe by testing if participants know what a pronoun is
I noticed she kept going for the center chair or as close as she could get.
@@calmyourmind5665i seriously thought that was just camera angling but i noticed that she seemed to be in the middle a lot as well. She sat down for EVERY topic so far but im only halfway through.
@@TruantAllnah i think this represents a lot of people in the us 😭
I love the premise here because everyone arguing for one side intimately understands the other. Which is something I think is often lacking in American political discourse
They agree about how they feel about things but they’ve got no idea how to organize around anything…so it’s all for nothing
That doesn't make you intimate with both parties. That shows you are actually the opposite
@@dr1flush Being someone that went through the change in political ideas... you are wrong. While I am no conservative I am no longer a liberal in the current sense. I know what it means, I know what and WHY they think the way the do... and now I know why the conservatives do as well. I am just not in the bubble of either side anymore.
@@TierDvikit almost seems as though if everyone started getting real and used more independent thought, rather than herd behavior, then maybe we could eventually agree to disagree and just vote our preferences.
@@JrobAlmighty And as it was pointed out. There are plenty of people in power that dont WANT us thinking or voting that way. It makes sense... they lose power the more independent we the people become.
5:42
“My pronouns are now “adjective, noun”” oh my lord.
someone needs to show them the school house rock song on pronouns, maybe thatd be dumbed down enough for them
Well being a piece of cake, frog, fox or a tree are far from pro nouns as well
Xir has a point, thanks for expressing treeself
we've strayed away from literal elementary level english class 💀
I suspect you and everyone who liked this post had to research the proper grammatical terms to describe her neopronouns.
There is no way Emily was a former liberal
How
She’s not even conservative
Not a chance.
100% sure shes just there to be liked by whoever will listen to her lol
No, she's obviously a current liberal.
It's sad people didn't learn what a pronoun was in elementary school. Just because people want to be antagonistic, they forgot what it actually means.
That is so true. I’m not really pro neopronouns, if you can call that, but pronouns are still pronouns and we all use them!
@@luismartins1713 Yeah, what they should have said is that the don't believe in stating your pronouns. That they think which pronoun one should use should be self evident. Which usually it is.
Wait…I’m confused. We were all taught what pronouns were in school - the traditional pronouns (his, her, we, its, them, your, our etc). But now there’s a list of a bagillion pronouns and I thought it was all a recent phenomenon. Are you saying they werent recently created? Her point was pronouns are basically descriptive so she choose “pronouns” that describe her (she choose adjectives). If you are creating pronouns and they can be whatever you want, why can’t you even use adjectives? Rationalizing one and not accepting the other seems rather absurd.
@@dustierbottoms Not really. You can just use "they" for anyone. I've been at a liberal school for 4 years. Still haven't heard anyone use neopronouns. But if they did, I could either remember those pronouns, or use their name or use "they".
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d wait just because you haven’t witnessed anyone using neopronouns, are you saying those people don’t exist? Bc neopronouns exist, they must be preferred pronouns for some people. And I imagine you would be someone that will respect their wishes. So, respect the wishes of someone that wishes to be addressed as princess. I don’t see how your point is relevant. And “they” implies 2 or more people. A English rule that was broken and redefined to accommodate a select group.
the reason why this was so pleasant is because both sides have empathy for their previous positions. Also, there's always that voice inside that still agrees with your previous positions whether or not you no longer cognitively or intellectually agree with it.
As someone who has changed their beliefs drastically over the past decade, this is something that I have struggled with at times, as well as why I feel this might be one of the best episodes yet.
Not true, conservatives are psychologically incapable of feeling empathy
Yea except for Javen ofc
I didn't think about this. Yes, I feel they DID listen to each other & have more empathy etc. more than some people in some other episodes and maybe the reason you said is why, cos they DO have empathy for their previous positions.
Javen is so lost, he really needs therapy. These people have no Grey, no middle...It's sad that they can't find nuances in their lives.
He's really had a number done on him he's literally like a conservative news anchor just repeating the same script and talking points and mentality no matter the nuance of the topic or flow of the discussion
@@Cashback13 "being pro black is racist", "feminism is mysoginistic", like what?
@@denziboi4063 yeah like what? it’s almost like there might be more to it, but better not think about it!!
Javen explaining how traumatic becoming transphobic was to HIM, when he must've caused so much pain to his trans family members is actually baffling
I was having such a hard time understanding what he meant because it was just so so so crazy and delulu
i didn't get what he was saying. i hoped someone would ask him to clarify.
honestly
Does not being an ally means he's transphobic??
@@stephniekYes. It is an emotional and ideological form of transphobia. He considers trans people to be living in perversion and no matter what love he may still hold for his trans family member, his perspective will cause them emotional harm
I love how Emily is every stereotype surrounding someone who isn't smart.
It's almost like she's a real life Regina George. wow.
@@jeniffervarela6066Regina George wouldn’t make politics their whole personality
Someone trying to look smart
what are all the stereotypes sorrounding someone who isn't smart?
@@jesusbarrera6916 Blonde, weirdly sarcastic tone, annoying high pitched voice, obsessive over something they have no idea about (in this case politics). I could go on but I don't want to list every single thing about her lol.
Bro how did the blond girl say she would never cut someone off for their political beliefs but then say if you have pronouns in your bio that means she can assume where your beliefs lie in a lot of areas and she stays away… like the hypocrisy is pretty unreal
It's not necessarily that she would cut them off, she just knows what their personality is like and how they act, which is what she stays away from.
@@Indie_Livelike don’t get me wrong she was acc one of my favourites and I agreed with a lot of her view points but I still feel those too sentences sooo close to each other was a bit wild 😂
cognitive dissonance baby
@@Indie_Livethat sounds like profiling to me
@@ppgurl420 probably is, but if you have seen a specific trait in a lot of really annoying people would you really want to start talking to people with that trait? Probably not
Not convinced the antagonistic blonde conservative woman wasn't a plant 😂
She's an exact type of conservative woman where I live. The only thing I don't believe is that she was ever a liberal. Getting called a city slicker for a week by your dad because you refused to keep riding horses when he wouldn't get you a pony doesn't mean you were a liberal.
Thank you for having me on Jubilee. Although I am disappointed to see the majority of my moments cut out and put behind a paywall, I still am grateful for the opportunity. Thanks again for putting this together 😊
It's great watching you on this video. I'll watch the extended cut later.
You did a great job, Hunter.
Agreed! I wish I could see the religion part... but I can't afford it lol
I really appreciated your takes in this exchange! Didn't know of you as a content creator before this, but am definitely subscribing to see more of your takes.
If you debate Daniel Haqiqatjou/TheMuslimSkeptic you'd get humiliated
Movie goers vs. Movie critics would be a really fun episode.
Moviegoer's twenty dollars down
Loves to throw their film knowledge around the workplace
Movie director is going down too
Twenty million dollars, still nobody understands youuuuuuuuu
Yesss
Alternatively, filmmakers vs film critics
This was quite literally the political equivalent of that 😂, I highly doubt a single one of them has read and finished a single book on theory, whether it be Marxist or otherwise…
@@estri5402yesss
Javen's heart was beating out of his chest at 34:38. There's something uneasy about him. Like there is something deeper going on with him internally. His defense of literal authoritarian governments was also shocking to witness. Him calling the "alphabet community" "perverse" was also an extreme jump. I really hope that he finds inner peace and surpasses whatever struggle he's going through.
His heart calmed down a bit when he moved away from talking about the "alphabet community"
@user-ut7pc7xg8w I noticed this as well
you honestly can make a case that Authoritarian style proves superior, as exemplified by Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China, especially when comparing GDP advancement within the last 20 -30 year timeframe compared to their regional surrounding democratic counterparts.....
Realize that if you take yourself out of a USA bubble, there are plenty of 15-party and 2-party democratic systems in the world that don't have better outcomes compared to Javen's referenced countries, especially in the recent timeframe. So, his point a 2-party system is not necessarily a horrible thing... especially if your asking for more parties.
but theirs something internally wrong with him?
i can’t believe you can actually hear his heart pumping😭
@@MrOBJECTIVETRUTHyou're only measuring GDP not freedom or happiness
"You can pick yourself up AND you can except welfare." Yes. Yes! It does not make someone bad or lazy or incapable or less than to be open to receiving support and resourcing!! Humans are designed to thrive through interdependence and love. There is too much oppressive inequality and unfair, unsustainable power dynamics and hardship in the world for it to be as simple as "pick yourself up by your bootstraps." It truly is not always that simple. There is so much more I could say on that, some of it from lived experience. It takes strength to be willing to ask for help. Help literally saves lives.❤
Working Poverty is the first sign that capitalism and min wage levels have failed the fact people have to work full time or have multiple jobs AND claim some welfare to bridge a gap in home financing and budgeting to pay for basics just shows it doesn't work and you can't just 'mentality' your way out of these external factors out of your control. People got sleep, eat, rest and have a life outside of the grind!
There should be no shame in taking the help offered and working to do better. The problem I see with welfare is once you're on it, you're very often stuck. It's a very carefully designed system to ensure you can't become self sufficient without having your legs kicked out from under you.
Thus, you end up stuck, and people think it's your fault.
Javen needs help. You can tell he's been brainwashed and probably conversion therapy-ed. Hope someday he can come out and let go of the self-hatred and projection.
That’s most Gay republican, profoundly self hating, to the point of intense delusion.
YES I was just thinking that. As an atheist, he reminds me of other atheists who specifically have been hurt or traumatized by Christian Fundamentalism and go atheist to rebel against everything they were taught. He seems traumatized and hurt, not like he actually believes in what he’s saying. It’s like he’s TRYING to be contrarian. It’s sad.
he talks like he gota gun to his head fr
@@waha11ay4have u ever seen that video when dude say “I WANT U GUYS TO MEET MY WIFE FOR THE FIRST TIME” 😂
@waha11ay4 Yeah...you could literally hear his heart thumping through the mic while speaking near the end.
Saying you love a politician is WILD
depends.. 99.9999% of them yes.. but the likes of vivek ramaswamy is different. Outsiders that come in that aren't supported by the system and are actively shut down by the system should be propped up by the american people.
@@sonnecarver Why should they be propped up? Vivek openly supports Russia and believes that Ukraine should bend to Russia's demands. Not to mention, he's a multimillionaire, so I wouldn't consider him an "outsider" in the Republican party
@@sonnecarverRamaswamy is one of the worst of the Republican bunch lmao
@@pigmasters3263 how, legit tell me how
@@chrisr393 he doesn’t support Russia, he supports America. Wtf is wrong with you?
Not fooling anyone by cutting Hunter out so much. We know he wouldn’t just sit there quietly the entire second half 😅
Thank you! t kinda feels unfair that there showing these (important) conversations claiming to be neutral whilst cutting things out to make the two sides seem ‘balanced’
@@Madison-ew3elthey did the same with Blaire white
@@inesgassetpeinado this is money making for them, depending on who they've brought they'll lean the video to appeal lmao
hunter the beta soyboy you mean?
The guy with dreadlocks is so smart. He was spitting facts! The girl with a blonde hair was the exact opposite. She was an empty can.
I’d love to also see another liberal vs conservative but this time with a couple people from each generation (gen Z, millennials, gen x, and baby boomers). I think a lot of interesting points could be brought up with a diverse age group who have lived through many different experiences!
This! 100% agree!
YES!!!
Gen Z Conservative versus Boomer Liberals would be FASCINATING
Ive noticed they do tend to leave out gen x in most extreme opposite episodes.
It seems like its always boomers vs zoomers.
@@willardmettlachson they already did that.
'It was very very very traumatic to become conservative' says Javen after his whole 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps and don't complain' speech? Wow.
Found that comment hilarious considering it is literaly impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Like the physics doesn't work, and it says so much about that particular saying
Also the fact that his traumatic story was literally just having a transgender family member?? But then claims the other side is too emotional.
I thought the "bootstraps" type didn't believe in trauma...or mental health for that matter...🙃
Its a phrase/metaphor.
“A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn't literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison.”
Classic liberal making decisions based off of an emotional base rather than a logical one.😂
@@saramysko1022 And you are the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect. None of us here needed you to copy and paste the definition of a metaphor, sweetie. Zelda is correct. A metaphor only works if the premises are 1:1. The bootstrap metaphor is using a physical scenario in order to illustrate an abstract concept. However, the scenario isn't possible according to the laws of physics and therefore, the metaphor doesn't make any sense because you cannot equate it to the situation abstractly. If, physically, it were possible to pick yourself up by your bootstraps, the metaphor would hold water. I know you're a little lacking in brain cells, so please just do a little more reading on parts of speech. Abstract thinking is clearly not your strength.
The guy with the locs was well spoken and I agreed with him on nearly everything. A very balanced viewpoint on every topic
Bc he grew up in a two parent home that was conservative.
He seems high AF lol that's what I picked up on , smokers know another smoker lol
@@FrazOHwhats that got to do with his viewpoint?
@@FrazOHThe conservatives in this vid seem pretty psychotic so I don’t think your logic is sound here.
@@FrazOHhe probably thought he didn't want to end up like his parents
10:53 “he’s not gonna end up in jail” bro is eating those words now😭😭😭🫵🏽
Hey buddy is he in jail yet?
Comments that aged like milk. 😂😂😂
did he end up in jail? /gen
Nothing bad happens to the political class
Lmao this comment is definitely hilarious now
emily is the kind of girl who chooses her beliefs and personality based off of current trends
bingo!
But aren’t her beliefs against the current trends
Her beliefs are against current trends
Wrong, her current beliefs and personality is against the current trend.
How?
Love how this was so much less hostile and less influencer oriented than other recent videos. Nice to see people actually finding middle ground instead of treating this as a hostile debate
Literally what I was thinking, both sides have their own stories and valid reasons and manage to still agree with each other on some things. Its refreshing to just see two groups of people from different beliefs have a calm mature conversation
It's all about editing and Jubilee's biases 😂
Jubilee cut down the video and hid the real video in the extended cut.
Unironically saying "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" makes anything else you say largely irrelevant. Tough love is very important, but tough love is not the same as being completely hands off and letting people suffer needlessly.
Yep. Thankfully these days the original meaning of that phrase is coming back to cultural understanding.
It's literally an impossible task and worded that way. Kind of makes me want to see where that meaning flip flopped, who brought it about, and if it was intentional.
I agree, some people are born without any hypothetical “boot straps” to lift themselves up with (or would hands be better to say?). It’s our duty as a society to help people who need it, as it also helps us as a collective.
But the thing is Republicans back school choice, birthing centers, and have charites for widows and single mothers. Republicans are significantly more charitable than Liberals.
So we put our money where it counts.
@@jessycac6311you're still not understanding. The whole point is it doesn't matter if you have them or not, it's physically impossible to lift yourself up using them.
It’s definitely possible
Having people who've already examined both extremes made for a great discussion, thanks for this!
This debate was more peaceful than I expected 😂 wow maybe the empathy of having been on the other side makes the difference
Empathy makes a world of a difference. In fact, not enough people have it.
It’s because you have a room full of people who are comfortable with challenging their own beliefs. These are the friend groups you should surround yourself with if you want to grow.
My exact thoughts
Political differences aren’t so bad when you consider there’s literally a 100 year war going on in the Middle East
That's cause they cut out half the footage to make it look as neutral as possible
Panelist: i literally think democrats are political terrorists
Comments section: wow what a polite and respectful discussion 😁🙏
They always comment the same lol
@Magst3r1 LITERALLY in every single debate, the comments are like "wow this is the most respectful debate I've ever seen". like they'd probably say that if two people started beating each other up in the middle of the panel 💀
@@josiea.3855😂😂😂
They're not wrong though? Same could be said for Republicans too and they wouldn't be wrong. Pretty much any corporatist anyways.
@@christianbahena5364 Socialism🔛🔝
Emily did contradict herself, when she said she would never cut someone off for their personal political beliefs, then proceeds to also say she would stay away from people who didn’t have the same political beliefs.
I’m pretty sure she just means that she’s not gonna cut any of her friends out but when it comes to new people it’s a little different
In theory, my beliefs and takes on politics agree with her, but she as a person strikes me as insufferable, attention seeking and annoying… which leads me to think that it is perfectly okay to disagree with someone on your political sphere, if they lack common sense it's game over.
Bingo. I caught that too.
She was contradicting herself on almost anything. She sits down and says one thing, then another person sits down and says something opposite of that and she says "oh yeah totalaayyy" 🙄 She's just a grifter. She acts like an AI chatbot - she will agree with anything as long as the interaction continues.
@@andyruiz5676yea thats how I interpreted her comment too
I actually liked Emily’s take on politics; she is definitely Conservative but she agreed with a lot of liberal beliefs except when it came to pronouns.
Just the fact that they were thoughtful and flexible enough to change their views in the first place explains how they managed to have such an effective discussion. They've all had the same experience of unsubscribing from an ideology and building their own view from scratch. I think we'd all be better at solving world problems together with this sort of drive for independent thinking. Thanks Jubilee for your Middle Ground series👍
Yes!! I feel this way too! I see and can understand where people on both sides are coming from. I also fall somewhere in the middle politically… as many of these people seem to.
Honestly, this was THE BEST episode yet. Everyone was able to articulate their points and everyone seemed receptive to the other persons points. This was genuinely great to see and give me more hope in the future!!
and there was emily
I was just about to say "minus Emily*" 😂@@yoshinoricheek
Javen is a true follower. I dont think he's formulated any of his own thoughts his entire life
Seriously, is there a single strawman he didn't regurgitate?
I don't think there was a single pulse of independent thought there breh.
Yes. That is exactly Hunter.
Why do you say this?
@@Shockkings0714because he doesn’t have a clue what he’s saying. just regurgitated takes he’s heard from everyone else in his life
I’m curious how this conversation would flow now, post-assassination attempt, President debate, and RNC.
Javen reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Grew up very religious (Christian) and was always espousing those beliefs until he met an Imam and fully converted to Islam. Then later he started hanging with a more liberal group and abandoned religion and became pro-LGBT etc. He was just so easily influenced, his entire life philosophy became based on whatever direction someone else steered him in.
lol
Look in the mirror
People change, bro 😎 Don’t hate on another person’s evolution because of the degree or volume of change, unless you truly understand their reasons
Let’s be more compassionate as a society
@@TruantAll Wasn’t hating, just an observation. I got to know him very well and the point still stands. He can live his life as he sees fit.
agree 100% definitely very easily persuaded
As someone who is part of the "alphabet community", I'm a 28 y/o who do not want a partner, I don't have nor want to have sex. How in the wooorld is that sexually perverted smh
and there is no outrage for the out of control hookup culture, majority of people who do it are straight
They would say, Your existence is sexually perverted.
@@TheNewblade1 how can being aromantic and asexual be sexually perverted tho I don't get it. Either way, he's wrong for that opinion ✌️
You're not special, goof
I think he's a closeted and self hating person. I hope he heals soon
So refreshing to listen to a civil discussion as opposed to Blossom and Blaire.
Blossom and Blair, it sounds like a 90s sitcom 😂
blossom* only 👀
@@samj5183 HAHAHA
Those two together was brutal
@@samj5183blosson *testosterone* kick in thats y
As a moderate conservative, Keri is the only conservative panel guest that I respect intellectually. No offense but the other three don't seem very intelligent.
Liberal here and I must agree she was the only real input with substance on that side . She was very informational.
There is always that one participant that talks wherever a second of silence lingers. And today it's Emily. She talked for about 80% of the air time, while adding the least to the conversations. So weird.
She’s the worst
Shes delusional - I could tell within 2 questions that she was going to have some CRAZY talking points. Nothing she said added to the conversation, and for someone who thinks liberals are "too emotional", she certainly spoke about how she "feels" a lot - she doesn't have any factual basis for her beliefs. Heck she doesn't even know WHAT a pronoun is, she just knows she doesn't like them.
Conservatives are all toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram because they think they're being told what to do - they don't want to educate themselves, they just want to get their own way. Its so embarrassing.
There's a lot of editing in these videos, I found her funny and refreshing.
@@user-yp9iu2qy9wshe's just annoying 😭
Actually Emily is in the best position of all these guests. She has a middle ground mindset. I understand why you're saying that tho. But the few things she added were powerful. I'm sure most people would agree with you tho
This is the most civil and focused episode we ever had. It's refreshing to see people agree and have open conversations when they don't.
i think its because in this case, the debate isnt happening based on stuff thats identity-based. its natural that once you focus on stuff that people feel instead of how people feel they are, they're not gonna be as intense.
You should watch the unedited version, Hunter, Avalon posted it, and the reason the debate looks civil is because they cut out like 90% of it. Truly some incredible moments that I have no idea why they cut out in the uncut version.
@@ian-nator2685 I think it's also because they don't rely on identity and cult like behaviour to dictate what they should think too.
It's because both sides were liberal at one point. Meaning they tend to understand the importance of building points on fact. 😅
Agreed!
I love this group. No one was talking over each other had respect for each other's opinion
Emily literally doesn't understand pronouns.
Ze zim zerrrrrrre
From now on refer me to as invader zim 😂😂😂
@@ethandollarhide7943 Or what "ironically" means. She just throws it in wherever.
@@triple_gem_shining Ok.
I think that Emily exemplifies people who like to sway from one extreme to the other. A bit of a study on how psychology plays into identity politics.
not even just psychology, imo it’s more so whatever political affiliation will get her the most attention
Kari is one of the best guests you’ve had on this show - articulate, kind and thoughtful. No matter your perspective, it’s nice to witness someone substantial discussing hard topics
Lmfao. She's the only one who kept saying "woke" .
She disguise her crazies so well that it goes over most people. Not surprised if she's a narc.
She has an excellent podcast
@@PhiladelphiaChurchIL what's her podcast? I wanna hear more from her
I loved her! You could tell she was intelligent
I think her podcast now is Kerfefe Break. I’ve followed her for 4 years back when she used to part of Unsafe Space. Heads up, you will find burned bridges and skeletons with other people in her past if you look. But yes, overall, she’s a net positive in the online political sphere.
These people don't realise just HOW conservative Hunter used to be. Buddy had a revelation
no, he found a liberal girlfriend
You can kinda tell by his name lol
@@Zenith9132 it does not stop to amaze me, that the last pres election was between a dude whose sons are named Donald and Eric and a dude whose sons are called Hunter and Beau. If you knew none of them, i feel like theres no way youd correctly guess their party affiliation
The flow of oxygen was cutoff from his brain.
Javen is a certified kool-aid drinker, no matter what side he's on. It's like dude doesn't know how to think for himself at all. From one extreme to another.
It's the horseshow theory, he's definetly authoritarian he jump from black supremacy to traditional fascism without passing through any middle ground. 🧲
Or maybe individual people hold individual beliefs.
Haha yea I'm so glad this is obvious. Boy really needs his hand held .he will take everything to the most extreme. Probably has not one original thought in there
literally,, im sure when he was a leftoid he did the same thing but with extremely progressive takes he never actually thought about
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 His beliefs weren't individual though. He even said he'd be in favor of a authoritarian government. That's anything but individual. He swings from one extreme to the other with his beliefs, strongly identifying with either political party to the point of it becoming his entire personality. That is not an individualistic trait in the slightest.
Wow, GREAT episode. This is what Middle Ground is all about! As the episode went on, pretty much all of them became more and more respectful, expressed their own opinions while simultaneously working to connect with the other side. Well done!👍
It really took me until 14:23 To realize that was Hunter Avallon. He's a really interesting character because when I was very Republican. He was one of the people I would watch but slowly I stopped watching those people and develop my views. And when I came back to see those perspectives again I saw he had also changed. mad respect
Honestly, same. It's refreshing to see that at least some social media personalities are capable of genuine reflection and growth, even at the risk of their established audiences and connections.
Same dude, it was honestly nice to see
Too bad they cut so much of his content
It's telling these videos always use internet personalities and pretend it's just regular people
@@hashish2020telling of what?
One of the least hostile sessions I’ve watched. This was very nice to watch and ingest!
Even better to digest!
Yes, because they were not writing comments on X/Twitter but they were talking face to face.
The least hostile because they cut everything out. Watch the video behind the paywall. It is literally night and day. This video actually made me so mad because it is a lie.
Oh see I disagree lol. I felt they were all holding back their true thoand feelings at the expense of "getting along". It was way too safe and contrived for me.
Agreed💯❤
As someone who grew up in saudi arabia - hearing someone saying there’s no crime is crazy 😭😭
As a fellow person from the Middle East, I'm starting to think Americans know very little about the world.
@@egwene7793 Starting to think? Americans are disconnected from reality outside the US. Chopping hands removed all crime? Like pls...
@@egwene7793 Its True that Americans are the least likely culture to become expats in another country. They are the least likely to leave America. That's a 100% Fact and I've been an expat in many countries and American's are the last culture you'll see.
@@egwene7793That’s not saying much..
A vast majority of human beings on Earth would qualify as knowing very little about the countries, peoples, cultures/customs of the other nations around the globe.. the fact you didn’t know that is an example of your own limited knowledge regarding the world around you.
@@DaBoi2Nycevery debatable. Education in the US is hugely lacking and is a big reason why Americans seem to be so disconnected from the rest of the world.
I don’t think Emily knows a single thing she’s talking about because every other word that comes out of her mouth is a contradiction.
wrong try again
Hunter was spot on about, both sides having tribalistic tendencies.
He has a TH-cam channel btw hunter avallone
Except when the prompt of “Changing political sides was traumatic for me” came on - *every* former liberal stepped forward, whilst only 1 former conservative stepped forward (and she was the one raised in a weirdly religious family).
IMO, if both sides were equally tribalistic and cultish - then an even amount of people from *both* sides would have stepped forward on that prompt.
@amberjulia123 these are 4 peoples anecdotal experiences. You cannot use anecdotes with sample size this small to draw conclusions.
@@amberjulia123 Sampling bias. There's no way a group of 10 people can represent Americans equally. Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't change the fact that the two party system is very polarizing. I'm sure hundreds of thousands or millions of both former Republicans and Democrats have had traumatic experiences switching sides. But saying one is side is worse at something than the other is very polarizing to both sides.
@@amberjulia123conformation bias. You can't see the full picture when the video only presents the expeirences of 8 people out of tens of thousands.
Also note that many of the people i Jubilee's videos are influencers and aren't picked randomly
It's definitely an interesting dynamic where the new generations of conservatives and liberals are more open to beliefs normally held by the other side. At least there is a ray of hope that people are more open to new ideas despite still holding on to the party system.
actually i think its less divided in older generations. studies actually show generations are more divided not less
It doesn't matter because corrupt geriatrics rule every government in the world.
Well a lot of us are fighting for the same things, better living conditions, healthy lifestyles, affordable insurance, less government telling us how to live our lives etc. We just can’t agree on exactly how to go about it which is what open honest discussions hopefully lead us to when we start dropping our dogmatic opinions.
i disagree fully. I'm young I have seen more division in the younger folks than the older folks. My generation wouldn't be friends with conservatives for them being so.
What universe did you warp from?
So cool to see Hunter Avallone here. I’ve loved seeing his political glow up. Usually these feel so lopsided with Daily Wire media-trained people on the R side, random college students on the L side.
Lmfao glow up..dude went for having common sense to pretending men can get pregnant and being a huge loser pandering to the most unhinged takes on the internet.
Sucks that they cut out literally everything he said though
@@PoseidonOilRighe definitely seemed healthier then. But now he's definitely more genuine and not a character anymore for better or worse
Hunter seemed douchey
@@Dr.Hussein-gi3ueYeah :(
Why hasn't @jubilee added video chapter headings for this evening episode? It really would help viewers to skip to specific prompt questions. I'd say this is a basic feature that seasoned TH-cam Channel creators such as @jubilee should be incorporating consistently across all its content.
Hunter is the smartest person in that room and he spoke the least. The biggest problem in American society is that idiots speak the loudest.
He spoke a lot but jubilee cut it out, Probably to make it seem like an even discussion.
We have too many Emilys and not enough Hunters.
Kari was also very articulated and spoke very concisely.
How was he the smartest person?
Hunter avallone is a 🤡
There's no way Javen is going to claim conservatives aren't triggered by pronouns lmfao. There's a viral video of one screeching over a video game asking for your gender LOL. They are constantly whining about it, it's all they talk about
Oh my gosh that video had my dying.
I think you forgot who actually started being annoying with pronouns buddy.
Hint: it was not conservatives, we are just pushing back
@@Sylv01222 I don't really care if you think liberals were annoying with it. That's just your feelings bud. We use pronouns everyday, you getting triggered over someone telling you theirs is just your feelings.
The fact is, conservatives are the new SJW's. all they do is whine about social issues. its pathetic.
@@billsherman1565 I never said we got triggered over pronouns, you fail to understand that its not the pronouns, but what they symbolize and the cult that's behind. It was explained by someone in the video
They seem to roll their eyes maybe ... but there are a tone of videos posted about people going ballistic for being "misgendered".
its really interesting to compare emily and javen in this debate, you can tell emily has some valuable pluralistic beliefs but she hides behind the "fun" of being a conservative (she makes fun of pronouns, other grifty stuff), but with javen its genuinely scary... you can tell he's being dragged around by his trauma to whichever cult accomodates him at the time
Yeah because how do you go through such a complete mental overhaul. How do you go from caring about your trans family members straight to thinking they're pedophiles?
Yeah I agree as much as 3mily seemed annoying, she still seemed "sane". While haves just seemed like he was barianwashed
Yeah Javen said some scary things.
Bro literally had me flabbergasted
It legit got me thinking that he was in the Sunken Place.
“Never say never… cause you’ve already changed once”😭😭😭
This was honestly one of the best, most productive middle ground episodes (on the liberal vs conservative topic) yet. Their understanding of each others' beliefs and past experiences opened up room for a much more nuanced and respectful conversation. I like how they rarely got too caught up in those trigger-points and buzz-word topics that only really end up going in circles, and focused more on the deeper layers that inform the different ideologies. So many great points from both sides!
yes
It really did! And I think everyone listened to each other really well. And as you say, yes I think cos they could relate cos they had thought similar ways in the past to the other side.
Respectfully, there wasn't a religious kook in this group.
It’s a shame you cut hunter out of this so much, he’s definitely the most knowledgeable and interesting person here.
Factss
Sometimes it feels like Jubilee doesn't care about education just shock value
I have so much respect for Keri, people like her are the reason I watch middle ground. Her responses are considerate, respectful, and real.
Anyone who uses the term "woke" isn't serious.
@@Leftistattheparty because she wasnt using it in a serious tone, learn communication cues
@@momochi6666she was tho and if she wasn't that absolutely wasn't made clear. I cringed physically when she kept saying it
She’s cringed asf
She said she didn't trust elections past Kennedy
This was miles better than other videos. Very civil.
I think Javen is the side of conservatives that I don't agree with. He doesn't seem to want to see that he or his "side" could be wrong and continues to justify his own viewpoint. I think he did this more than the other panelists.
that boy has issues, someone needs to check up on him
He needs help... he is obviously gay and he's black yet he is against both 😅
@@aaq1655he's not against blacks lool wat
@@aaq1655lol what. How is he against both? Also no one is required to support these things..nor should they.
@@aaq1655 He's not even black, he's mixed. He may be partially black but you can almost see all of his identities warring inside of his head.
I know it can be entertaining to watch people bicker and be at each others throats but I’m honestly pleasantly surprised that they were able to have such a professional and respectful conversation about politics. Hopefully some people who watched this realized that we can have respectful conversations like this and that we have more in common then we think.
*than
Did you miss the part where they called LGBT people perverts and liberals political terrorists 😭
You see more of this when both sides hold their bad players to account for their actions rather than making excuses for them.
Either side if someone is so indoctrinated they can't handle an opposing opinion then it's them as an individual who have a problem they need to deal with and while their side back them up for simply "voting the same way" it leads to zero productive discussion and nothing gets done as a result. Both sides need to learn to compromise as both sides get a lot of things wrong.
Javen lost the connection with reality
He seems to be pretty self-hating.
He’s fascinating to me, in a really unfortunate way.
Sunken place mentality.
Something or someone hurt him. He just looks like he’s struggling internally. Hopefully he finds himself.
I feel sorry for him.
the maturity of the discussion between everyone was great
it’s always “pick yourself up by the bootstraps” when rent in my state is $1300/month on average while jobs won’t pay enough to afford these prices
Exactly! I can’t stand ignorant people like Javen
Don't live where you can't afford don't take government assistance just keeps you down boot strap means being independent economically financially
@@williamcooper9379 where you can afford doesn't have jobs because we're in end stage capitalism and everything is a monopoly and wealth is being hoarded at the top. it's not trickling down and the workers are being exploited. you really expect minimum wage workers to continue to work in cities they can't afford to live in?
I also love how the term itself is supposed to indicate something physically impossible. You CANNOT “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” thats the entire point of the phrase.
It's always "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" while ignoring that a majority of human life we have had a community to depend on. When was the last time you asked your neighbor for sugar? Also, the bootstraps quote was originally used to refer to a task that is impossible. Etymology is fun
Javen sounds like he’s trying to convince himself of his own beliefs mid conversation 💀😅
Lol yeah it sounds like he's never actually thought about it. He just read or watched stuff and ran with it. Now that he's having to say it out loud by himself he's realising it's all inconsistent and doesn't make sense.
He actually kinda sounds like he’s foreign if you listen to his accent.
i know the ex liberals were saying that conservatives are rarely even offended but tbh I think they are just passive aggressive. and how he seems so CONFUSED 😭 it's like he doesn't know what he believes anymore. it's crazy seeing grown adults silently argue with each other. I would probably cry after being in one of these Jubilee's
@@rowans-lvrs i would cry too bc wdym there’s people that don’t agree w me 😕🙏
@@rowans-lvrs yeah very traumatising when people don't agree with me on everything
This was actually really nice. It wasn’t emotional, wasn’t heated. Was an actual debate.
they cut most of the actual conversation thats why they only chose these parts.
@@thatprincess2598u say this like uve seen the uncut verson
@@mortalakira one of the guys on here hunter posted it
@@mortalakira some* i only watched all the clips on tiktok and then a little on his youtube but that was the reason i came to watch this video cuz i saw those first
It was definitely emotional, empathy is a necessary part of these discussions
"its not that we disagree on the why, we disagree on the how" YES.
Javen totally turns around at the end and walks back cos he didn’t like agreeing with everyone.
Thank you for getting the prompt woman a microphone instead of making her scream
As someone who has watched Hunter on youtube for years and had my beliefs switch around the same time that his did it was very nice to see him in this group and see how he has grown as a person.
Yooo, Hunter viewed your comment in the video he did about Jubilee
dude, congrats one your moment being shown!
hes a hateful bigot now
Same