Great to see someone testing and calling this out! I suspect "advertised power cannot be sustained thru full capacity" is a common problem now which is annoying. I got a "POWERADD PRO 130W" (18400 mAh, 66 Wh) and it has similar throttling issues. At ~89 W output, 23 °C ambient: after 24 min (35 Wh) the internal temp sensor reached 50 °C and throttled to 65 W (it disabled its 100 W PD profile). Throttling also happens when charging at 60 W. It's $21.99 now which is pretty good, even considering the throttling problem. Energy density and specific energy (139 Wh/kg, notably worse than Xiaomi PLM02ZM at 177 Wh/kg from 2016) aren't stellar but it has a display that shows output power, cycles, total Wh output, and temperature and I like those because I'm a nerd lol
Thanks for sharing. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of videos like this. Marketing is just winding up the crank. Yeah, so if they called that a 65W power bank, it'd be fine. Price wise though, that's cheap.
@@AllThingsOnePlace A slight wrinkle the other way is that the full output all the time only matters if the device draws the full output all the time. For many things that want to fast charge, if the battery is of a comparable capacity to the bank, they may rate limit at the device and it not end up mattering so much as to final charge time. IOW, '100W charging of a dogphone 9' - the charge may start out at 100W, and never be limited by the battery bank as by the time it wants to throttle, the device isn't drawing that much.
man, i TOTALLY thought you had already tested the UGreen 100W 20k already! could have sworn i picked it up off another of your videos, i've been loving it either way; what you're doing with these videos is such a breath of fresh air, both in terms of the information that you're able to share and the way that you present/explain it. thank you for all you do!
I was telling people to buy GaN bricks with 30% more wattage than they'd even need at a given time.. now I'm just suggesting to get 65w-100w in something not super cramped. Smaller = more heat = worse sustained load. any brand.
Ugreen seems to be the worst honestly. From other test hes done it seems like most Ugreen products can't do sustained loads and even some of their bigger products also.
Just wondering would you ever do a review on the Ugreen 300w 48000mah portable charger power bank? Thank you for all the great reviews and hope you have a great year ahead!
Out of curiosity whats ambient temp there? I kinda just watch your videos while eating didnt really pay attention if you mention them lol. I wonder how fast it throttles at 30c ambient temp 😜 Im suprised by the fact some of ugreen powerbanks only charges at 65w lol My blade gave up after maybe 100 full discharges. The battery itself is fine but the board roasted lol . I hope my ugreen 210w 25k wont do the same.
Yeah, Baseus pushes those things too hard. It's usually between 18 and 22c. In this case the case never got that warm so, it internally is deciding to turn off before roasting things.
Happy didn't get these, much worse than i expected, the anker one i ended up getting can drain itself to zero with a gaming laptop plugged in drawing 80-90W continuously
I am going to buy the newer NEXODE 200W power bank. Do you think it is good to go? I prefer this newer square prism form factor over the traditional brick now, so other candidates were Cuktech 20 or maybe, Anker A1340 Which should be better? Would appreciate your professional responses.
Well, they also lie about the power numbers so, about in line. The Anker ones tend to be able to do more sustained power but the claims are equally inflated. 200 watts, so really 100 watts.
Great video! I looking for 10k to 20k powerbank for daily/travel, your video give me a lot of knowledge I didn’t know before. A bit out of topic, ZMI merged with Cuktech, I wonder if you gonna test the Cuktech 15 20000mAh 150W powerbank?
oof, 20k and 150watts, too many watts... Anyway, yes, working through a rather stupid backlog of 50 power banks, once that's complete I'll get into some newer ones.
@@AllThingsOnePlace yes that's too many watts lol, but I think 150W only work on their product like Xiaomi. Other phone only support 45W and below, I think. Still can charge supported laptop to 90W based on other video. Based on your video I like Anker 737 but it's really expensive here in Indonesia around $115, ZMI powerpack no.20 around $82 (and different model without 'G'), cheapest I could find that you already reviewed is UNEED 25k 145W around $57. Is it worth it to get the UGREEN 25K one or the Cuktech 15 20K 150W is better at around the same price? Hope you finish you backlog soon so I could find out.
Tbf the charging of a battery depends on how much charge it currently has. My Oneplus 10T came with a 160W wall charger and it can fill 0 to 80% in like 10 minutes. The other 20% takes another 10 minutes. So it's clear that it drops the power to a safer wattage in order to protect the battery from overcharging and other problems. I'd expect 18 minutes at 100W to be able to safely get the battery of the device to the 80% mark.
I really loved your videos but i was disappointed to not see the data of device charging for each power bank like you did in the video comparing UGRREN 25k to anker 27k prime. I thought i would find it in all of your videos
I don't know, the closest I've come to putting them in a case is covering the power bank when using it in the sun because they overheat without even being switched on. Anyway, ask the case maker for the thermal resistance of the case material. You can then calculate how much hotter the internals will get.
@aliensstolemybeer5362 sorry I meant the wall charger with 4 slots under the digital screen read out, the one that retails for 89. I've been looking for reliable wall charger that's 140w if not I was gonna just go with the prime 100w original one not the new cheaply made one that came out not too long ago
@Rich_EDC go for the older anker 737, 140 watt charging. I've got one of these and they're really good. Or go for the inui 140 watt charger (27,000 mah)
Try using a high output ugreen charger to charge it I have the 20k 130w one and my 120w Anker 737 charger only charge it around 40 to 45 watts but when I use my 100w ugreen robot charger or my Anker prime fusion 9.6k it charges at 65 watts just fine maybe this one is finicky like mine with witch charger it uses to charge at max input not making excuses for ugreen just curious if it makes a difference
I think previously he tried to test chargers (2023 best charger videos) and Ugreen one wasn't so satisfactory though due to long term usage concerns and thermal management. Since they are using open standards I think the difference will be trivial.
The Zmi no 20 does function as a UPS, but you have to be careful because it will allow more power out than in. Anyway, planning a couple videos on UPS's. Also, I have to mention in power bank videos, if I don't people ask if it is a UPS.
Hey dude idk how to get in touch with you but so far you've criticized every GaN adapter I've heard of.. do you have any recommendations for a GaN charger that I can use daily for my laptop and phone? Travel adapter included would be great but otherwise I can just buy a universal adapter with the GaN..I travel quite a bit but I also need a minimalist charger rather than lugging around several chargers for all my devices. Help.
They're are plenty of good ones, I do have a best of video. Yeah, ugreen gets a lot of hate, although in this video people complained about me being too nice. One option is to use what the manufacturer recommends, they recommend it for a reason, is it possibly larger and more expensive, yes, but it's made for the device. The next option is to figure out what you need, is 5V enough, then literally get anything that functions. If you need 20V power deliver mode for the laptop, then you need a bit more power probably, a 100W adapter is probably on the list. I have a travel adapter video recently, where I basically show what I use, which is an Anker 100W adapter and whatever adapter I need. It's small does a laptop (not a gaming laptop), phone and watch no problem.
It's a shame that the 20000maH pack has limited output on the 2nd USB-C port. It would be an awesome addition to a tech pouch if it could passthrough charge my S24 Ultra at 45Wwhile charging the powerbank.
im able to charge my pixle 9 and lenovo e15 usb c with the flat ugreen charger no problem but.... I have to have my laptop on usb c 2 output inorder to get fast charging for both devices.. Thats with both usb c 100 watt cables. ok so turns out it will fightover the fast charging if my phone and laptop is plugged in at same time
Great video as always! Sorry for hijacking the comment section, but I’ve sent you an email regarding a potential issue I’m facing with a competitor to the Ugreen Power Banks-the Anker Prime series. If you have time, I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look.
Companies should be penalized for misleading labels. For example, not everyone knows that a 10,000 mah power bank does not have 10,000 mah rated capacity. Same for charging wattage
Well the 10Ah is aftually really inside to make the output amount. So labelling lower number would be a penalty for shipping. Wh rating therefore very useful and maybe an efficiency number.
Don't waste your money on these better to get a ROMOSS PMT60 it's basically the only lifepo4 power bank and you get bi directional 100w and true capacity at least very close
If it's under 100 Wh you bring it, no issues. If it's less than 160 Wh, it has to be registered and you need a reason (like a medical device). Otherwise, you don't.
I think it is almost impossible to make sure these can stay 100W with current tech, unless it has one or a combination of big sizes, overengineered internal heatsinks, and gets hot to the touch (but still can be safe for the components). The rated battery is 72 Wh, rated at 20V5A is 59 Wh or 81.94% efficiency claims, to get exact 100W output, there's another 22W converted to heat, which's more heat than the average thin cheap laptop processor (15W), compared to other outputs (22.5W to 45W) ranged from 3.2W to 9W heat output.
There are plenty of power banks that can do it. 82% efficiency is very poor conversion rate for a modern converter but it's basically in overload at this point, in this case they are 50W power banks, maximum, not 100 watts, so that's why the marketing comments. Very likely the internals overheated causing the shutdown. Good analysis!
"Just because they can't do 100 watts doesn't mean they're bad power banks" Yes, yes it does. It literally means they are bad power banks, because they are being marketed with that claim. How are you still not getting this?
Ugreen actually seems to be getting worse, considering this day and age of technology. I had one but sent it back due to a port that stopped charging. I won't buy ugreen anymore. I still prefer inui over ugreen and anker, due to the superb prices and the value you get for those prices.
Great to see someone testing and calling this out! I suspect "advertised power cannot be sustained thru full capacity" is a common problem now which is annoying.
I got a "POWERADD PRO 130W" (18400 mAh, 66 Wh) and it has similar throttling issues. At ~89 W output, 23 °C ambient: after 24 min (35 Wh) the internal temp sensor reached 50 °C and throttled to 65 W (it disabled its 100 W PD profile). Throttling also happens when charging at 60 W.
It's $21.99 now which is pretty good, even considering the throttling problem.
Energy density and specific energy (139 Wh/kg, notably worse than Xiaomi PLM02ZM at 177 Wh/kg from 2016) aren't stellar but it has a display that shows output power, cycles, total Wh output, and temperature and I like those because I'm a nerd lol
Thanks for sharing. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of videos like this. Marketing is just winding up the crank.
Yeah, so if they called that a 65W power bank, it'd be fine. Price wise though, that's cheap.
@@AllThingsOnePlace A slight wrinkle the other way is that the full output all the time only matters if the device draws the full output all the time. For many things that want to fast charge, if the battery is of a comparable capacity to the bank, they may rate limit at the device and it not end up mattering so much as to final charge time. IOW, '100W charging of a dogphone 9' - the charge may start out at 100W, and never be limited by the battery bank as by the time it wants to throttle, the device isn't drawing that much.
man, i TOTALLY thought you had already tested the UGreen 100W 20k already! could have sworn i picked it up off another of your videos, i've been loving it either way; what you're doing with these videos is such a breath of fresh air, both in terms of the information that you're able to share and the way that you present/explain it. thank you for all you do!
Yeah, I thought I did too. Then I ended up with a second one and was like oh, I never opened the other box.
still not what I need, but thank you for doing these still when you get the chance.
Thanks for watching, all in good fun. I don't really expect anyone needs another electronic gadget.
It’s a good thing people buying a 100W unit aren’t expecting to use with a laptop that actually wants 100W…. oh wait
It's like the QSC of power power banks, yeah, that amplifier is 2500 watts...
I was telling people to buy GaN bricks with 30% more wattage than they'd even need at a given time.. now I'm just suggesting to get 65w-100w in something not super cramped. Smaller = more heat = worse sustained load.
any brand.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Ugreen seems to be the worst honestly. From other test hes done it seems like most Ugreen products can't do sustained loads and even some of their bigger products also.
Just wondering would you ever do a review on the Ugreen 300w 48000mah portable charger power bank? Thank you for all the great reviews and hope you have a great year ahead!
It's the same story as these. They many watts and that size battery means it doesn't work. But it is on the list anyway.
@AllThingsOnePlace ah that's disappointing to hear, thanks for the response.
Gee, that on on the left sure looks a LOT like the Anker one... screen, buttons and all.
haha, you think that's not on purpose?
wait till you see ugreen's 20k and 25k new powerbank
Out of curiosity whats ambient temp there? I kinda just watch your videos while eating didnt really pay attention if you mention them lol.
I wonder how fast it throttles at 30c ambient temp 😜
Im suprised by the fact some of ugreen powerbanks only charges at 65w lol
My blade gave up after maybe 100 full discharges. The battery itself is fine but the board roasted lol .
I hope my ugreen 210w 25k wont do the same.
Yeah, Baseus pushes those things too hard. It's usually between 18 and 22c. In this case the case never got that warm so, it internally is deciding to turn off before roasting things.
Happy didn't get these, much worse than i expected, the anker one i ended up getting can drain itself to zero with a gaming laptop plugged in drawing 80-90W continuously
Yeah, the 200 and 250W anker ones don't do the high power levels they claim but they will do 100W or 140W no problem.
I am going to buy the newer NEXODE 200W power bank. Do you think it is good to go?
I prefer this newer square prism form factor over the traditional brick now, so other candidates were Cuktech 20 or maybe, Anker A1340
Which should be better? Would appreciate your professional responses.
I haven't looked at the 200W ugreen yet. I'd guess that at 200w it's the same as all these others but at 100W it's probably pretty good.
how does this compare to the anker prime power bank series?
Well, they also lie about the power numbers so, about in line. The Anker ones tend to be able to do more sustained power but the claims are equally inflated. 200 watts, so really 100 watts.
Like a day n night
Great video!
I looking for 10k to 20k powerbank for daily/travel, your video give me a lot of knowledge I didn’t know before.
A bit out of topic, ZMI merged with Cuktech, I wonder if you gonna test the Cuktech 15 20000mAh 150W powerbank?
oof, 20k and 150watts, too many watts... Anyway, yes, working through a rather stupid backlog of 50 power banks, once that's complete I'll get into some newer ones.
@@AllThingsOnePlace yes that's too many watts lol, but I think 150W only work on their product like Xiaomi. Other phone only support 45W and below, I think. Still can charge supported laptop to 90W based on other video.
Based on your video I like Anker 737 but it's really expensive here in Indonesia around $115, ZMI powerpack no.20 around $82 (and different model without 'G'), cheapest I could find that you already reviewed is UNEED 25k 145W around $57.
Is it worth it to get the UGREEN 25K one or the Cuktech 15 20K 150W is better at around the same price? Hope you finish you backlog soon so I could find out.
Nice vid mate
Thanks!
Great video.
Thanks!
Thank you for the easily digestible info!
Could you add the blitzwolf 120W adapter (5 ports) to your review list? Thanks.
I did one of their adapters awhile back. Very inexpensive. Anyway, I will add it to the list.
@@AllThingsOnePlacethanks man. Your work is greatly appreciated.
Tbf the charging of a battery depends on how much charge it currently has. My Oneplus 10T came with a 160W wall charger and it can fill 0 to 80% in like 10 minutes. The other 20% takes another 10 minutes. So it's clear that it drops the power to a safer wattage in order to protect the battery from overcharging and other problems. I'd expect 18 minutes at 100W to be able to safely get the battery of the device to the 80% mark.
hahaha.
I have the 20k one, it fits all my needs really well. It charges my Legion Go and everything else I have.
Thanks for sharing a real world use case.
Please review the new Anker fusion A1339! I got one and its pretty good. Just want to know ur thought about it
I'll put it on the list, but it's a long list. Power banks are way behind.
Yes this is what we want
haha, tell that to the 6 out of 10 rating and horrendous click through rate.
I really loved your videos but i was disappointed to not see the data of device charging for each power bank like you did in the video comparing UGRREN 25k to anker 27k prime.
I thought i would find it in all of your videos
Thanks, yeah, I did forgot that bit.
In your experience, does putting a silicon case on these units risk overheating?
I don't know, the closest I've come to putting them in a case is covering the power bank when using it in the sun because they overheat without even being switched on. Anyway, ask the case maker for the thermal resistance of the case material. You can then calculate how much hotter the internals will get.
I'm excited for the new Anker 140w test to see if it's worth it
@@Rich_EDC I've also got the older anker 737, 24000 mah. Still one of their better power banks compared to these new ones in my opinion.
@aliensstolemybeer5362 sorry I meant the wall charger with 4 slots under the digital screen read out, the one that retails for 89. I've been looking for reliable wall charger that's 140w if not I was gonna just go with the prime 100w original one not the new cheaply made one that came out not too long ago
@Rich_EDC go for the older anker 737, 140 watt charging. I've got one of these and they're really good. Or go for the inui 140 watt charger (27,000 mah)
Yeah, should be next week on the wall adapter. I still use my 737 it's been very good.
6:03 what powerbanks can work as an ups?
would love to see the 200w ugreen vs the anker 200w!
Yeah, that might be a good one.
Try using a high output ugreen charger to charge it I have the 20k 130w one and my 120w Anker 737 charger only charge it around 40 to 45 watts but when I use my 100w ugreen robot charger or my Anker prime fusion 9.6k it charges at 65 watts just fine maybe this one is finicky like mine with witch charger it uses to charge at max input not making excuses for ugreen just curious if it makes a difference
I think previously he tried to test chargers (2023 best charger videos) and Ugreen one wasn't so satisfactory though due to long term usage concerns and thermal management. Since they are using open standards I think the difference will be trivial.
Yeah, in this video, I swapped chargers, I didn't say anything, but physically did try others and it was no different.
@@AllThingsOnePlace ok thanks I'm glad I watched this video
do you have videos on powerbanks that actually can act as UPS?
The Zmi no 20 does function as a UPS, but you have to be careful because it will allow more power out than in. Anyway, planning a couple videos on UPS's. Also, I have to mention in power bank videos, if I don't people ask if it is a UPS.
Are you going to do the new Anker 25,000mah 165 watt laptop power bank?
I mean I basically have to eventually, I'm on a no purchase until the huge backlog of power banks I do have is tested though. So, it'll be awhile.
Is there then any Power Bank in the market that does 100w sustained?
Yes, several. Zmi no20, Anker 737, Prime200, Prime250; just off the top of my head.
My laptop is being charged by an adapter rated at 65W. Any recommendations for the best powerbank to buy?
65W is easier. I'd probably get the Iniu 25k, or the Zmi no 20, Anker Prime 200 or 737. Lots of options.
@ thank you!
I have the 25000 mAh. Nothing compares to the old zendure supertank. Even the updated pro version shuts down easily like ugreen on full throttle.
Yeah, they're not trying.
Hey dude idk how to get in touch with you but so far you've criticized every GaN adapter I've heard of.. do you have any recommendations for a GaN charger that I can use daily for my laptop and phone? Travel adapter included would be great but otherwise I can just buy a universal adapter with the GaN..I travel quite a bit but I also need a minimalist charger rather than lugging around several chargers for all my devices. Help.
They're are plenty of good ones, I do have a best of video. Yeah, ugreen gets a lot of hate, although in this video people complained about me being too nice. One option is to use what the manufacturer recommends, they recommend it for a reason, is it possibly larger and more expensive, yes, but it's made for the device. The next option is to figure out what you need, is 5V enough, then literally get anything that functions. If you need 20V power deliver mode for the laptop, then you need a bit more power probably, a 100W adapter is probably on the list. I have a travel adapter video recently, where I basically show what I use, which is an Anker 100W adapter and whatever adapter I need. It's small does a laptop (not a gaming laptop), phone and watch no problem.
It's a shame that the 20000maH pack has limited output on the 2nd USB-C port. It would be an awesome addition to a tech pouch if it could passthrough charge my S24 Ultra at 45Wwhile charging the powerbank.
Yeah, it's not even power share.
Sir, when Anker Zolo a/b2697 ?
The 140w should be next week.
im able to charge my pixle 9 and lenovo e15 usb c with the flat ugreen charger no problem but.... I have to have my laptop on usb c 2 output inorder to get fast charging for both devices.. Thats with both usb c 100 watt cables.
ok so turns out it will fightover the fast charging if my phone and laptop is plugged in at same time
Thanks for the real world results!
Great video as always! Sorry for hijacking the comment section, but I’ve sent you an email regarding a potential issue I’m facing with a competitor to the Ugreen Power Banks-the Anker Prime series. If you have time, I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look.
Yeah, saw the email.
Anker 165 Watt 25K Please :)
ha, yeah, eventually, have to get through the backlog of power banks.
Companies should be penalized for misleading labels. For example, not everyone knows that a 10,000 mah power bank does not have 10,000 mah rated capacity. Same for charging wattage
Yeah, it's why programs exist like energy star for larger consumer items, but yeah, for power banks, never going to happen.
Well the 10Ah is aftually really inside to make the output amount. So labelling lower number would be a penalty for shipping. Wh rating therefore very useful and maybe an efficiency number.
Cuktech plz??!?
yeah, I have one coming, I did one power adapter, it wasn't great.
You keep skipping displays and what they show, and that for me is important, i am a control freak! 😃
I noticed in this one, I shouldn't spent some time showing each display.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Hmmm... should or shouldn't?
Ugreen 20000 mah 22w is great.
Yeah, lower wattage ones tend to be fine.
Don't waste your money on these better to get a ROMOSS PMT60 it's basically the only lifepo4 power bank and you get bi directional 100w and true capacity at least very close
How do I bring the Romoss on a plane?
If it's under 100 Wh you bring it, no issues. If it's less than 160 Wh, it has to be registered and you need a reason (like a medical device). Otherwise, you don't.
Hi whats your view on rococen 480w charger?
It's probably a 200w charger.
I'm glad i got my aohi magcube p30 powerbank. It works as advertised
Thanks for sharing what's working.
that's pretty chunky for 10k powerbank
Yeah, it is.
I think it is almost impossible to make sure these can stay 100W with current tech, unless it has one or a combination of big sizes, overengineered internal heatsinks, and gets hot to the touch (but still can be safe for the components).
The rated battery is 72 Wh, rated at 20V5A is 59 Wh or 81.94% efficiency claims, to get exact 100W output, there's another 22W converted to heat, which's more heat than the average thin cheap laptop processor (15W), compared to other outputs (22.5W to 45W) ranged from 3.2W to 9W heat output.
There are plenty of power banks that can do it. 82% efficiency is very poor conversion rate for a modern converter but it's basically in overload at this point, in this case they are 50W power banks, maximum, not 100 watts, so that's why the marketing comments. Very likely the internals overheated causing the shutdown. Good analysis!
"Just because they can't do 100 watts doesn't mean they're bad power banks" Yes, yes it does. It literally means they are bad power banks, because they are being marketed with that claim. How are you still not getting this?
Yeah, I said that poorly.
Ugreen good
if you don't expect 100 watts until drained then sure.
Thanks for deleting my comment. I have just unsubscribed and I will deprive you of my expertise. Bye!
I didn’t do anything. But okay. Bye!
Ugreen actually seems to be getting worse, considering this day and age of technology. I had one but sent it back due to a port that stopped charging. I won't buy ugreen anymore. I still prefer inui over ugreen and anker, due to the superb prices and the value you get for those prices.
My Iniu 25000 mah power banks work fine !
I only trust UGreen for their cables.
@@icedcoffeecapricorn yes , great cables !
@@icedcoffeecapricorn inui are also superb, cheaper than ugreen in some cases.
Iniu certainly has done well. I do, finally, plan to get the 140W video out soonish.