A couple of clarifications: 1. Gabe himself is Jewish. 2. There is a general tendency for people to say that protesting Israel’s participation this year in Eurovision is inherently anti-Semitic or racist. These blanket statements are unhelpful to everyone. Extremes drive extremes. In this video, you are part of that. What I saw in Malmo were Israelis and Palestinians marching side by side for peace. I saw calls for a ceasefire from both sides, to stop the suffering of people on both sides (except for Hamas). I saw and talked with close Israeli friends planning to leave Israel to move to another country because of the actions of their government in Gaza and the Israeli media propaganda that many Israelis are sick of hearing. I don’t disagree in that we all need to check our biases. Children, babies, should not be being killed. The loss of human lives from October 7th through to now is horrific. Hamas is to blame for starting this new cycle of violence - let’s be 100% clear on that - they are terrorists and opportunists who killed so many innocent civilians. But what has happened since then and the Israeli actions of displacement of populations, killing such high numbers of civilians including also children, volunteer workers, journalists, etc. All this means that Israel is not blameless for the situation as it stands - what we see and hear from reporters on the ground in Gaza is horrifying. Where is the human dignity for innocent civilians? You keep saying to everyone ‘go educate yourself’. I think it’s good advice - I will continue to try to educate myself on all of the facts and also the propaganda that comes from both sides, as well as the reports coming from all corners of the media from all corners of the world. Will you commit to doing the same? To continue to educate yourself beyond your usual sources of news media? I think if we are to get so in depth on this then we must understand all perspectives.
I am sorry Chris, but the anti-Israel feelings in fandom did not start on 07/10 - it started many years ago. Just this year it all came to pass, and all of it came out because 'It is allowed now' . I remember clearly the long faces of people in fandom when to have to review Israel song or even mention Israel. It's been going on for years!!!!
Yet you provide no facts. Gabe might be jew, its not my point. As this is irelevant. What he does in the video, blaming Israel for basically everything. Like their entire existence was a problem of the contest, putting together things which are not even a problem (rewriting the song, changing the name) or security levels. Never mentioned - fans overreacted etc. Its clearly anti-israeli statement without proper facts, just emotions. What I say is that such things should be unnaceptable as they victimise an artist for certain nationality representation, blaming that person of everything. And yes, I saw livestreams from those peaceful protests (intifada, from river to the see), I saw how people in press centre reacted on 300 points from bublic - which Gabe is talking also about as a conspiracy thery cuz of ads (which most of countries does). I understand you want to defend your friend but come with the facts. Enough is enough. This one sides hate (and you can find it also on this chanel) is quite clear, it can and should be pointed out and should not be tolerated. As exactly this irelevanr crowd hate lead to Holocaust. As you can feel I am overreacting, thats cuz the history learned us not to let this be.
@@JanBors ok I see - this response is only showing me that you have very entrenched views and that you are unwilling to look at things from the other side. To be clear, I met Gabe in the press centre, we don’t know each other at all really. But when for example Eden was there nobody was causing her any problems at all. Even those who felt Israel shouldn’t be there were respectful to the artist (in the press centre this is). The same can’t be said for the level of respect given to all artists. In the arena the atmosphere was definitely more tense - i happened to be sitting next to an Israeli who was booing Ireland and Greece loudly. He did apologise to me in the end but in the moment he was vicious towards both acts. And people were vicious towards Israel too of course - Eden was the public face but I think most of the anger was directed towards KAN, also for how they behaved during the week, which I did see, and which does merit criticism. There are probably other delegations that deserve criticism for certain things too, but I didn’t witness personally any other. Of course there were many different protests, but you seem to only recognise the one that suits your narrative best. I’m not saying you are completely wrong. But I do find that you are taking your position to an extreme with some of your language in this video bordering on harassment or hate speech towards Gabe. I don’t think that’s conducive to productive debates on the issue or on any issue. I wish we could all just respect each other a little more
@@ESC_ChrisM I am glad you are mentioning that no one harrased Eden in press centre directly. That would be something. But that would be just another harassement. Idk if its so hard to admitt, that basically Gabe, and so many people of the community, putting blame on Israel (and EBU for let them participate) for everything wrong happened at Eurovision, supporting artists with clearly hate speeches, and another recorded behaviors. Basically, lets be honest - we did not want Israel in the contest, we dont want this genicide country there, country who is allowed everything - without any fact checking, like facts. And because this is amazingly popular now in the bubble and I can read it in the comments everywhere, even from Gabe himself to reinterpreted my example with holocaust to me being anti-semitic - that actually I should map this much more closer. So respect is just a word used oftenly without a meaning, the meaning is real behaviour and if you really watched the whole video, you know, what I also say about Israeli delegation. As I at least try to be objective. Thats why I watched whole video of Gabe's, analyse and then I did my video. Context matters.
@@ESC_ChrisM Finally, someone claims he was there. Wonderful. Can you actually give specific examples? **Hopefully, beyond the regurgitated 2-3 already debunked spins - KP taking a photo, the Spanish journalist/activist's lies and a mistranslation of a pun jokey comment in passing on the SF1 broadcast - happy to elaborate if you haven't seen these debunked by now**. You claim KAN specifically misbehaved - exactly how and when/where? What did you witness? Will this endless defamation campaign actually get some substance to its claims to be discussed? Also, isn't the infamous Spanish journalist booing and shouting at Eden during her live performance direct bullying? What happened at the semi-final press conference? Artists knowingly violating the rules on political symbols on live TV? You seem so far one-sided and happy to boost the narrative that the side suffering from coordinated incessant bullying was somehow the instigator of it, but happy for you to give some facts and to be proven wrong. It all feels for now like gaslighting, and once you get any mild reaction from the consistently bullied side, you can spin it to absolve the original abusers and blame the victim ("they provoked me to bully them"). Seems like truly clutching at straws to defame any Israeli in Eurovision at all costs - we can't admit they were actually ok, especially in the background of all the hate they received, right? The double standards are indeed risible - Joost literally uses violence on a Swedish production staff member and breaks her camera, and most of the fandom and press rush to defend him. Eden behaved impeccably despite all the hate, but any innocuous thing anyone associated with Israel allegedly did this year will be in an instant demonised and highlighted as some drama (when the complaints come from the likes of Bambie, right ). What we see here is a masterclass demo of how scapegoating and victim-blaming take place and how a narrative is built to excuse all and any behaviour of hate and malice.
A longish read, but worth it! My own translation of a summary written by Matan Shriker: "This year, Switzerland won Eurovision with a record score of 591 points, but this was mainly due to the sympathy of the international judging teams. In the audience vote, on the other hand, Switzerland finished in 5th place. This phenomenon is a symptom of the politics of the competition, as opposed to the attempt by its organisers to preserve it as apolitical, which appeared even more strongly when it came to Israel. Since the selection of the city of Malmo in Sweden, which is known as a centre of irregular immigration to such an extent that law and order authorities find it difficult to conduct themselves there as the host of the competition - there has been an understanding that this is a serious security challenge. Since the list of participating countries was revealed, fringe groups in Western Europe have demanded, as usual, that public steps be taken to suspend Israel from the competition. This time, their words found fertile ground for activity among some at the core of the competition's fandom from the concept that without the fans, Eurovision has allegedly no right to exist, and therefore, they were able to issue an ultimatum that if Israel is not removed, they will boycott the competition or cause disrepute and sabotage it. They learned that the European Broadcasting Union, which organises the competition, has no basis to comply with such a whim. Discussions regarding some of the wording of the Israeli song provoked the global boycott movement to mark additional goals, and the Israeli president (a symbolic figure, not the head of state) understood this worked to try and block any and all Israeli participation and attempted to stop this kind of encroachment. The price of the EBU standing by the rulebook and greenlighting Israel's participation was mounting pressure from the BDS movement on European cultural centres to sign petitions to exclude Israel from any activity in the competition present and future, bullying the elected representatives of countries to threaten withdrawal and to threaten the media and individuals covering the competition to refrain from referring to Israel in their publications. The representatives of Ireland and Portugal led anti-Israel moves and encouraged other representatives to delay preparations for the competition in protest of Israel's participation. They organised a "neutral" letter demanding "peace" between the warring parties (one being a terrorist militia that kidnapped and held captive 253 Israeli citizens in inhuman conditions as a bargaining chip). This letter was signed by 10 representatives, some of whom added bolder condemnations against Israel. This did not satisfy the boycott movement but instead made it hungry for more incitement for provocations and actions aimed at humiliating the Israeli delegation, inflaming the spirits in Malmo to the point of physically preventing the participation of the Israeli and Luxembourg delegations (which also has an Israeli background) and introducing political statements and provocations into the live broadcast in order to disrupt it as much as possible. An attempt by the European Broadcasting Union to issue clarifications condemning violence and extensive explanations regarding the fact that the competition is between public broadcasters and not governments did not help but rather intensified the demands because, for the boycott movement, it was accepted as if they had set the agenda. After, in Iceland, they failed in their attempt to run as the Icelandic representative, a Jerusalem-born Arab amateur artist who identifies as Palestinian, they pressured international artists who were invited to the Eurovision events to boycott or participate and wear anti-Israeli symbols. The Israeli delegation, which received unprecedented security and constant death threats, remained isolated most of the time for security reasons. Sweden had to approve demonstrations involving thousands of agitators, and "troublemakers" from all over Europe flocked to the city from all ends of the political spectrum. Some of the commotions infiltrated the competition itself - for example, the Irish representative wrote political messages on her face and was required to remove them before the broadcast, and the Portuguese representative went on stage without permission with a black mesh baking pattern and pan-Arab colours on her nails. Behind the scenes, the Israeli delegation was repeatedly dragged into arguments about its very presence with the boycotting representatives, to the point of the intervention of the "separation of forces" organisers - this was, of course, twisted around to claim it was the victim of bullying and boycott - the Israeli delegation - that for no reason "harassed" other participants (the risibility of such claims was most palpable in cases claims were made of times the Israeli delegation was in its entirety not present at the compound). In rehearsals and broadcasts, the Israeli representative had to try and concentrate on singing while being loudly booed by a minority of viewers who were known to have coordinated this in advance in leaked group chats, which was mixed with authentic audience applause, some tried to override the booing provocateurs. However, it seems that precisely this actually helped the Israel representative because the viewers of the European "silent majority" sympathised with her and her song about the victims of the 7.10 Nova music festival massacre or interpreted the side noises as louder applause. Israel received 12th place from the national judging teams when more than a fifth of all judges deliberately ranked Israel in last place (and no music professional could honestly claim this wasn't one of the best-performed songs this year and certainly not the very worst of them all). However, the campaign to vote for Israel against the boycott movement was successful beyond expectations and was even given impetus by European politicians and cultural figures. Israel won second place in the audience's vote by a huge margin from the judges' unprecedented de-vote. Precisely in countries with the strongest anti-Israel sentiment in their respective media and art spheres, Israel received the highest public support, also to the surprise of Israeli diplomats in those countries. This is a heavy blow for the boycott movement, and it is evident in the reactions to the results. Disappointed representatives that were placed lower than the Israeli result (places 6-26) went on a smear campaign against Israel and explained that the presence of "that country" hurt their feelings and clouded the atmosphere. False allegations of the most juvenile kind pilled up. The removal of the Dutch representative who acted violently towards a Swedish camerawoman was also somehow blamed on the Israeli delegation (who now seemingly had collective telepathy abilities to make a grown man have a violent tantrum despite not being anywhere near the scene). At least 15 delegations sent letters of clarification regarding the alleged "soft attitude" towards Israel and the dismissal of their false accusations by the EBU. Some of the letters were embedded with thick antisemitic allusions to the "Jewish money" that caused the massive vote for Israel (in their eyes, It can't be genuine mass support and a wish from the broad public to send a message to the haters and agitators). Since there is no truth in these claims, which were brought, among other things, to obscure the violations of the rules the accusers themselves committed, for which they have already begun to be fined, they are destined to melt away and thereby further glorify Israel's resilient standing in the face an unprecedented smear and bullying campaign.
I would never ever sums it up better. Thank you for this!!!! May I also print-screen it and post it on other platforms? As this just makes absolute sense and worth reading
the televote result - take it with a salt of grain. it has been streched, because of sympathy votes for Israel. from those, who felt bad about the antisemitism and the bad social media record. that is exactly why many favorites have top scores and the rest has very little points. because the counter campaign was, to vote for croatia to prevent isreael to win. not all at once of course. but that is why I rather think switzerland would have come second at least under other circumstances. because - regarless if you like to hear the song outside of the esc event, it was the best live performance overall. staging and voice vice. anybody, who says otherwise, lies to himself or has no regard for quality anyway and only feels sad for his own favorite. I know, how this feels. I understand. still no reason to talk bad about a winner, only because you don't agree
@@nursen2106 It's really not about winning for Israel this year. They never thought they'd win (it was a typical Jury song that, in a normal year, would actually get the most points from the jury, not the public). The whole point was to stand firm against the boycotts and bullying, reach a respectable high place in the final, and prove they are not intimidated by the bullying and the attempts to "cancel" them, and that the haters and agitators are a minority in the general public - And they achieved all that exactly. It was a very graceful and powerful performance from a positive, talented and kind-hearted artist. It was definitely not a winning song, but it easily top 10 in any other year. I think Croatia-which deserved to win-had a better song than Switzerland in all departments but vocals (though it's a rock song of a kind that doesn't require virtuosic vocals). They got their public votes fair and square, and whoever wanted to vote for "any leading competitor but Israel" had several options, including Ireland, Switzerland, France, Ukraine, etc. In Israel's case, of course, many, if not most, of the public votes for Israel were non-Jews who felt sick from seeing the bullying on stage and outside it and used their vote as protest. Despite conspiracy theories, the Jewish/Israeli diaspora in most of Europe is tiny and insignificant in numbers; it's clearly an authentic vote from predominantly non-Jews.
Well... this was 14 minutes of pure gaslighting. While I have no problem condemning what Hamas did that day, that does not mean that Israel is above criticism with regards to how they have conducted this war. In addition to the over 10,000 children being murdered or wounded, the IDF has also killed foreign aid workers, and even their own hostages waving white flags. And very recently CNN interviewed Israeli whistleblowers revealing torture of Palestinian prisoners in an Israeli "detention center". There are even a minority of Israeli citizens protesting these crimes. Those are the facts, and it is not anti-Semitic to call this out!
@@JanBors The fact that you can't respond to criticism in any other way than by dismissing it as "fake", or by deleting it all together is all there is you need to know about you as a youtuber
@@JanBors What the hell? CNN is fake news now? They shared footage of it. The IDF themselves even admitted culpability for the airstrike that killed 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers.
@@xSimonTan Yeah, if the claims I shared are false, then he should have no issue pointing me to sources which debunk them, but I won't hold my breath...
@@kennet7837 ok, let me try: first of all, ofgicial number of children, that were killed is around 8000 , not "more than 10000", and that's still acvording to Hamas Ministry of Health, and I have my doubts about the his numbers, because theey, you know, lie. About the aid workers and hostages - it were accident, tragic, unfortunate accidents, that, unfortunately happen in a fight. About whistleblower and tortures - can you give some links? Apparently, i'm less involved on this matter than you, so please enlighten me
I'm a Eurovision fan from Israel, and the last Eurovision season was heartbreaking for me. There was so much hatred, that was based on lies and ignorance as you said. But the worst thing for me, even more than the lies and the bullying, was the feeling of betrayal. Almost all Eurovision bloggers refused to acknowledge our existence, spread lies about us and some even regularly posted Hamas propaganda on their channels. Many of these people were here five years ago, I saw them in the Euroclub and Eurovision village in Tel Aviv. And then there's you, Jan. You're such a ray of light in a sea of mean, hateful people. Thank you so much for speaking the truth and for being an ally. It restores some of my faith in humanity and for that you have my gratitude and admiration. Thank you so much.
I believe there are more Jans among the community and maybe they will also not be able to speak up, regardless the initial hate they will receive. This must be taken and I have a feeling that much more people is not ok with what you wrote. As this is clear hypocrisy and at some points antisemitism or xenofobia
I come from a background of holocaust survivors. And it is ok to criticize the country Israel and IDF. It is ok to feel for the Palestine civilians. Also when you are part of the LGBT community. This whole discussion is made absolutely ridiculous by both extreme sites. I have seen messages on social media which were absolutely retarted for both sites. This video is also part of the complete black-white view that many people have. No, most eurovision fans dont hate jews (some pro palestine people might, but not all). They comment on the behaviour of the Israeli delegation. Just like people would critize if it was for example the Portugese delegation. Dont make everything about hate and love, about genocide and the holocaust. It is ridiculous.
He does not come from a background of Holocaust survivors in his family. And if so, and he talks like that. Sorry for his relatives. For years, Israeli delegations to the Eurovision Song Contest complained about journalists who did not want to interview them, there was always hatred for Jews. Anti-Semitism never faded, it just waited for the right moment to erupt more.
7:26 This. I'm the only one in my family who's really into Eurovision. One relative tolerates me showing them the videos because they usually find one or two things they like, but no one else gets actively involved. This year, I talked to them, and they told me that they had tried to vote for Israel's entry. I had already known that they'd really liked it (FYI: They'd also loved Portugal's, in case you think this is just a political thing), but I absolutely had not expected them to try to take the time and money to vote for it. I asked them why, and they said because there was terrible antisemitism all over their social media feed aimed at the Israeli singer. And they don't even follow Eurovision stuff. Most of their focus is on American political progressives. "Besides," they added, "the song is good." If that was how things looked to an American who doesn't generally pay attention to Eurovision, I can only imagine how it looked to Jews in countries that actually participate in the competition.
You don´t have to hate Jews to criticize Israel for bombing Palestinian territory and for killing civilians. Hamas made a horrible attack in last October, but Israel has went far beyond self defense with their military actions. Israel has been very successful and popular in the ESC during the years. Their artists have been hugely loved in the ESC community. Israel has won the contest four times. Even last year they came third without any controversy. It´s very bizarre to think that the whole ESC community suddenly would´ve turned antisemitic in one year. Don´t you think it´s quite far fetched?
@@JanBors was that the question Jan? Was that mentioned above Jan? Have the illegal settlers gone home yet Jan. Have the 300 men and young kids interned without trial gone home yet Jan. Have they been released Jan? Has Isreal admitted to using white phosperus in their bombing raids Jan. ? Fucking whataboutism
@@JanBors There it is. You are not concerned about hate. You are just uncomfortable with the fact that so many people are critical of Israel and zionism, and rightfully so. Nobody is advocating against the return of the hostages, it's the opposite actually. People are just advocating against the pinkwashing of an apartheid country that actively commits war crimes and have ended the lives of more than ten thousand people in the past few months, bombed all hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, homes, refugee camps in the most populous area in the world, and are indiscriminately labling the entire population of Gaza as t-rists as their justification.
this is disgusting. slandering someone for supporting human rights and calling him anti-semitic with no basis completely takes the meaning out of anti-semitism, which is a genuine issue. Please focus your energy on actual anti-semitism like synagogue shootings, not criticism of a country waging war.
Thank you Jan for being a ray of light in all this darkness. I am a 54-year-old woman and a fan of Eurovision since 2015. I enjoy following TH-camrs before the show and this year many of those I followed ignored Israel's song or worse came out with mean statements against Israel's participation. As an Israeli and a Jew for the first time in my life, I understand how easily another Holocaust can occur. It's scary and discouraging but thanks to people like you there is still hope 🙏
My brother (from Croatia) who never watches and doesn't care for Eurovision has for the first time ever voted for Israel due to the growing antisemitism on social media. He didn't even watch the contest this year, he just voted for Israel. Respect for Eden and Israeli team for the bravery of showing up in the contest in spite all of the hate
many of friends and their families around me did the same, they dont even care about Eurovision and most of them probably did not hear the song. They just wanted to support Israel. And some of them voted simply for a reason to make those antisemites cry. Like rly. Its sad but also somehow calming, that people are after all not blind to this.
Hi dear friend! Thank you for your videos in general and the recent ones in particular! Especially the latest one. It's really important to analyze the broader picture beyond the Eurovision contest. You clearly succeed with a lot of honesty in painting a sane and admirable picture. I'm a bit similar to you... interested in this contest because of the multicultural phenomenon it represents for me, and through some of the shallow songs, I think it's amazing to gather many countries and connect them with a common cultural denominator, like really in the Olympics. I elaborate on this because for me especially as an Israeli Jew, it was heartbreaking and still is to see this sea project starting to unravel and it is now part of a trend of anti-Semitism in the world, and you portrayed it correctly, that we must not be shocked and accept this anti-Semitism as a decree of fate. On 7.10, about 1,500 civilians were massacred and about 250 were taken hostage. Those massacred were infants, children, women, the elderly, men. Before the cruel murder, they underwent rape and severe abuse, babies were put into bakery ovens and baked alive, mothers were raped in front of their children and then shot, entire families. Lives were burned... There is documentation and videos of this that Hamas filmed during the act and broadcast live on social media with pride. This aroused in all of us in Israel the collective memory of the Holocaust. And to this day we are in pain. Therefore, your words are important and touching. Thank you very much. Keep it up and I was also happily subscribed today as a supporter of your wonderful channel, as Eden Golan said at the end of her song in Hebrew, I listen carefully to your unique voice here in the TH-cam community, in my eyes your voice is important and it's like Eden Golan's prayer at the end of the song Hurricane 'You don't need big words... just one small light'... Raz
Unfortunately, there is a single mindset among most fans. Thank you for not making me feel alone in my way of thinking. From Portugal, thank you from someone who likes Eurovision.
Thank you for making this video. It’s so important that all people speak out against the rising tide of antisemitism, in Europe, in the US and so on. I’m not Jewish. I’m British with Irish ancestry. Both of my grandfathers fought in World War II (and both were at D-Day in 1944), to free Europe and the world from genocidal fascists that wanted to rid the world of Jews. That’s why I draw a moral parallel between what they did then and what Israel are doing today to rid the world of the genocidal maniacs Hamas. Obviously it hurts to see civilians caught up in the fighting, no one enjoys seeing innocents die, but fundamentally the buck stops with Hamas. They started this war on Oct 7th, every civilian death on both sides is down to them. I don’t want to hear anyone calling for a ceasefire, unless, in the same sentence they call on Hamas to release the hostages. Just regarding the Malmo protest in particular, it’s very easy to identify this pro Hamas mob as modern Brownshirts (Hitler’s Sturmabteilung) based on what many of them were shouting. Amongst the usual calls to eliminate the world’s only Jewish state, they were also chanting “Sinwar we will not let you die”. That’s right. They were openly supporting Hamas leader and Oct 7th architect Yahya Sinwar, the man who is today surrounding himself with 15 Israeli hostages in a terror tunnel under Gaza in a bid to save his own skin. Let that sink in. And these people actually think they are on the side of the angels. In what world? Love to Israel from the UK - please know that all rational, reasonable, decent people are with you and support you. Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱🕯️🎗️
I know, I am watching this and its unbelievable for me, how much is this tolerated. We are not anymore living in 1930s but people probably forgot where it led. Also the conmection with Russian propganda and russian payed groups tells a lot
Some claim that Hurricane borrowed/quoted some melody from: Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next - to convey the hidden message... This song was one of the most important songs in ESC... I think it was sort of wake up call for the European public - it ripped of the mask of what is going on. That is why I think it received such significant votes from the public. (Besides being a fantastic song on its own) Thank You!
I agree, it has shown pretty much a lot about also eurovision bubble, also about the issue how people are afraid to speak up as then they are bombarded with non-sense, dead treats and false arguments.
Thank you, because for the last few days I thought I was not in my right mind. I 'm really disgusted by the hypocrisy of the Western left, because that's what the Eurovision bubble is mainly made up of. When the war broke out in Ukraine, the entire West repeated like a mantra that it was Putin's war, you cannot blame and discriminate against ordinary Russians, because they are not guilty. Joost traveled to Russia and collaborated with Russian musicians after the outbreak of the war. He shouted how much he loved Russians, Russian women and wanted to have Russian children (which I wish him with all my heart, because he mentally fits in there). Now it turns out that the representative of Israel can be discriminated against and insulted and that she, unlike the Russians, is responsible for the war waged, although not caused, by her country. What changed? Even if we assume that she officially represents her country, she is not the one who makes decisions, and everyone has the right to support their country, especially if it has been attacked in such a horrible way. I don't think their song was political either. Why don't they have the right to talk about their suffering? This is really insane, all these TH-camrs who now at best pretended Israel doesn't exist, eurovision Reddit sub etc were mostly pissed that Ukraine won in 2022 and now they would vote for anyone who showed up with a Palestinian flag. I don't think it's just anti-Semitism, but a deeper problem with the young Western left, and anti-Semitism is only part of this problem.
Thank you for saying the right words 💙🇮🇱🫶 I’m an Israeli and your video made me cry, cos we’ve been through so much and we need more people like you! The community and artists were violent, bullying towards Israeli team and Israeli people in general and that’s sad. But we’re strong, we will survive and most importantly - we fight the terror for the whole world, not only for Israel 🇮🇱 thank you again Jan! So appreciate your support
That GabeESC video is quite a remarkable masterclass piece of propaganda: Distort and take out of context a few drops of actual innocuous happenings, mix with a shitload of lies and gaslighting, scapegoating the victim of bullying from multiple directions as the alleged single source that actually "provoked" everyone that would of course otherwise be angels (if only the bullied kid stayed at home kind of argument...). This is how narcissists react to criticism of their own wrongdoing - DARVO, denial, attack others, and reverse the victim and offender. This is also precisely how demonisation occurs, and we know where that leads... As a psychologist myself, I'm uncomfortable saying this, but some people around this behaviour seem genuinely unhinged, and some of the most prominent instigators of this coordinated bullying campaign against Israel's participation (that is still ongoing...) seem to need professional help, not a megaphone and media attention. P.S. One of the most bizarre accusations is that "the Israeli delegation" harassed others "constantly". In reality, because of security threats from pro-Palestionians that Mx Thug and co. encouraged, the Israeli delegation almost didn't interact with anyone, stayed in their hotel under massive security for most of the two weeks of preparations and shows, and even did all the off-stage rehearsals there. They were simply not there 90% of the time and kept separate at all times by security measures. The level of fabricated vague complaints seems ridiculous at some point, as if the people who tried their hardest to prevent Israel from participating this year or sabotaging Eden's performance (including the infamous Spanish "journalist") now think they can build a case against Isreal's participation next year by pilling up false complaints. It will not work as well but only carries on to ruin Eurovision for everyone and block any healing from this year's hijacked show.
It seems stuff as innocuous as the Israeli stylist daring to use his phone to film artists rehearsals, and Israeli media asking certain anti-Israel artists questions is being cast as bullying or harassment. Just absolute stupidity, grand hypocrisy and childishness.
@@littleblackpistol Exactly. When you ask the complainants to describe what actually happened, it's a handful of these stupid examples that every objective observer would agree are of no substance. One example comes to mind as particularly ridiculous - the Polish contestant now claims "the Israeli delegation" harassed her, but they were never in any physical space at the same time; they simply never interacted, not even in passing, different semi-finals; Poland wasn't in the final, etc.
Really?! Deleting negative comments? Let me tell ask you: do you think the behaivor of the israelisch delegation was good? Anybody who comment on that are anti israel? Are hatefull? Damn....ignorance
When you violate the community guidelines, YT has an automatic filter and deletes such comments. It's that simple... don't be stupid and follow the rules...
Loving your videos. Finally someone putting a mirror up to these elements of the fandom. I still loved the experience this year, ensured I stayed away from places I knew would upset me, and ensured I clapped and cheered while Eden was on. People want to boycott, let them! I just don't understand why they need to inform everyone about it. Go quietly! You're unhappy/offended? Ok, it's part of life that things don't always go your way. Deal with it and move along. Nothing is changing because of these protests, either in Eurovision or on the geopolitical stage. Israel won't change it's policy because of protests overseas and EBU doesn't have the grounds to kick KAN out. Let's just hope that by next season there is a better guide on behaviours that will not be tolerated - from delegations, accredited "media" or fans. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and belief, but no one has the right to make others feel like they have to hide theirs for their own safety.
I can't thank you enough for this video. it take so much courage and values in order to step in the front and make a voice against all the herd of people going with simple hate just because it accepted and tolerized, and we know from history too well were it can get us. as a gay person I cant understand how most of this hate comes from people of the LGBT community and why they try over and over to exclude more and more people from this competition and make it exclusively their own. I know for sure they don't care for Palestinians because as you said they didn't care about Russia and they absolutely don't care about other much bigger wars going around the world. its a simple Antisemitism and obsession with Israel. if they are a true fans of Eurovision they will value Israel who contributed so much to this competition, and wouldn't try to ban and Ignoring Israel. I hope more people who care about this competition will also make their voice heard and stand behind Israel. I send you lots of love.
That JanBors video is quite a remarkable masterclass piece of propaganda: Distort and take out of context a few drops of actual innocuous happenings, mix with a shitload of lies and gaslighting, scapegoating the victim of bullying from multiple directions as the alleged single source that actually "provoked" everyone that would of course otherwise be angels (if only the bullied kid stayed at home kind of argument...). This is how narcissists react to criticism of their own wrongdoing - DARVO, denial, attack others, and reverse the victim and offender. This is also precisely how demonisation occurs, and we know where that leads... As a psychologist myself, I'm uncomfortable saying this, but some people around this behaviour seem genuinely unhinged, and some of the most prominent instigators of this coordinated bullying campaign against anti-zionists (that is still ongoing...) seem to need professional help, not a megaphone and media attention.
It's like bouncers kicking out the rest of the nightclub patrons and leaving that one coked up bully in there to wreak havoc. Then blaming everyone else on his behaviour. The mental gymnastics by the OP is mental. This video is embarrassing. Wonder how much he was paid.
Better to call those haters out, and we'll show them the only language they understand because they never understand our language of true selfless love and peace.
Thank you for this video, English isn't your first language and some are going to try to use that against use but when you watch the whole video everyone can see the truth.
I cannot care less about such :) Anyway, its kinda very alarming how what would be absolutelly automatically considered racism, is not considered antisemitism. If its about Israeli politics, or war, never would be used such words and such methods. Europe needs to wake up.
@@JanBors especially when the person knows better and just spend years of his life getting rid of Corbyn from the Labour party because of anti Israel antisemitism, interesting that he doesn't tell his audience he is a Zionist himself as well.
Thanks for bringing this up! 👍🌹I was genuinely disgusted watching Gabe's video, excuse me! It was as if he had tried to find as much fault as possible and give some kind of besserwisser speech. But I see it through. First, he complained that there were cops on every corner, hey!?? You don't have a clue. Sweden started planning the security work already when Loreen won. With highly challenging security work on their shoulders. High level of threat, the situation around the world, planned demonstrations, protest etc. Police officers from all over Sweden, Denmark, Norway cooperated to create a safe place for the event! They closed airspace for drones, some traffic, had surveillance from the roofs protecting the arena etc. Malmö City was exposed to a hacker attack 1 hour before the final, the traffic went up VERY much, but they managed to stop the attack. At the same time, a large police force had to contend with a massive demonstration march of Thousands of people near the arena and other places. Here, too, they had worked for months to carry out “calm/peacful demonstrations". This massive work was done with one purpose - so that we all could be UNITED BY MUSIC!!! ❤️.....(did we?) Safety was priority and was achieved!! No injuries, no shooting, no threatening people/protests on stage, despite the Intense pressure and atmosphere that characterized the event.👏👏Malmö City and the police are very satisfied but tired. Close people said that they felt very safe and that the police were very nice 👍🥰. He continued to talk a lot of nonsense and everything was twisted to put the blame on in particular one party. I agreed with you that it is completely idiotic to project one's anger regarding a government/a "brutal" leaders warfare on individual individuals. Eden Golan, 20 years old, who is only in a MUSIC program that wants to stay out of all politics and sings a song. It's the TV companies that compete, not the state/government according to the EBU. And the independent broadcaster Kan has so far met all the requirements in 50 years of participation, which Russia's 3 public service companies did not. Regarding Russia there was also a broad consensus among the member states that Russia could not participate. This broad consensus has not happened regarding Israel (yet anyway). I do not have full insight into how the delegations behaved there, so I avoid commenting on that. Henrik von Zweigbergk was (also) booed by the audience when he announced that Joost would not participate, but still took it in stride since the news wasn't really out yet. He said "EBU needs to be better at communicating that he did a damn stupid thing and has to own up to it". We do not yet know the prosecutor's assessment. But you can't circumate a police report and its process, hear witnesses and so on. And probably want to protect those involved before you can comment on the matter. Our crown princess's Victorias Instagram account was overflowing with angry comments??? Again, are you directing the anger at the right object? Before we know the facts. I understand the HUGE disappointment of all the fans and those who traveled here, but I hadn't formed theories or taken sides before I knew more. I agree with Loreen who says that we need to find other more constructive ways to channel our frustration. This is a community, a hub, a source of energy. Music is created and it creates happiness. Shall we boycotting a hub of love and creativity to make a stand? To silence sound and music which is the only language we have in common? This should be a free zone among all the misery with one purpose, to unify by music! 🎶🌹 If a person is here to direct their anger at a country and at a 20 year old singer, maybe they shouldn't attend? Sorry again for the VERY LONG comment! All the best! 🌷✌️
@@JanBors It's so funny the people who obsessively call out aggressively and often harass anyone who slightly disagrees with them, including here, think presenting an opinion response on a monologue of another TH-camr is "harassment"...
3:25 - The phrase "From the river to the sea" originated from the Likud. Israeli politicians have used this phrase to insist that self-determination in Palestine is exclusive to Jewish people. That sounds like extermination, and their actions are consistent with that thinking. 4:10 - Human rights are not revokable if a person comes from a culture that doesn't have the same acceptance and protection of LGBTQ people as western countries. Queer folks defending Palestinians is not a matter of ignorance to the queer struggle in Middle Eastern countries. Human rights are for all people, not just the people whose politics we agree with. 5:59 - Israel didn't pull out of Eurovision because it was a goal of their government to use Eurovision to reflect European support of Israel. They funded voting campaigns to astroturf the results to further that narrative. It was propaganda, and the EBU allowed it despite warnings that they would compromise the integrity of the contest. 6:51 - Genocide doesn't have a death toll threshold. You can argue all you want about whether or not the violent killings of Palestinians constitutes genocide, but you can't ignore that... 1. Israel is currently facing charges of this, and the ICJ has deemed it plausible. They've also issued at least three additional rulings since then that Israel has defied. 2. Not calling it genocide doesn't make it right, and justice must be enacted on those who are committing this violence irrespective of the final ruling. 7:14 - How do you recommend people go about protesting a government if their protests will always be perceived as Anti-Jewish hate? 9:10 - Indeed, fans SHOULD have been vocal when it was Russia and Azerbaijan's atrocities in question. They weren't because they have been fed a lie about Eurovision being "non-political" and the blame is always put on the people speaking up. 10:35 - The only video evidence we see of delegations being recorded without their consent came from Israeli members recording others. It might not be truly appauling behaviour, but it raises a big question about their intentions as well as their conduct.
perfect, almost 10/10 disinformation chart hit. I will answer only the ones which are legit. Protesting - idk, maybe protest against the goverment and not the artists and teams at Eurovision? Dont use death treats etc? I would start with this. Dont apologize fans for not being vocals, now jews no news, I am telling you this is only a reason as its absolutely tolerated any hate speech against israel, jews and their communities. You did not protest against other countries (and also many other more) just cuz you dont care about them. Actually the boycotting paper, many interviews with artists about israel, many political attempts on the contest and also this crazy press conference was an amazing evidence. F.e. I saw only one video from delegation of Israel member which I would find innapropriate and also shoudl be punished. So I understand that there is this double standard as anti-israel have a right to do whatever, and israelis are blamed for everything. Even for their government which they are protesting against... Bye
@@JanBors Allow me to show my work then... The Original Likud Charter 1977, from the Jewish Virtual Library "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." Re: state funded voting campaigns... From Ynet “the support Golan received from the European audience was preceded by a campaign by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the government publicity bureau for Eurovision fans, in which the Israeli representative addressed them in French, Italian, Spanish, German, Czech, Latvian, Estonian, Albanian, Georgian and English - and asked them to vote for her.” “the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Advertising Bureau put emphasis on Eurovision-loving audiences such as the LGBT community in Europe, members of fan clubs, journalists covering the contest and opinion leaders in the field.” The government spent taxpayer money on securing a good Eurovision result to push a narrative. That is propaganda. It also means that the "broadcasters not governments" justification from the EBU means nothing since the governments finance and clearly have an interest in boosting their image through Eurovision. "Political attempts" are not hatred or anti-semitism. A keffiyeh, a watermelon, or a call for a ceasefire are also not hatred or anti-semitism. They do not express any danger, and assuming that they do is specious reasoning. Ceasefire means a stop to violence on all sides. People ARE protesting against the government. Quite heavily. Given the astroturfing campaign, protesting Israel's presence at Eurovision was absolutely fair game. With regards to the conduct of the delegations, I was not a fan of how Marina Satti acted during the press conference. But as mean-spirited as that was, it was not a direct confrontation, like that of the Israeli member baiting the Dutch team who were in a uniquely distressing situation. My boycott this year included Azerbaijan along with Israel and it will continue as long as needed. I told you this already. Their exploitative tactics at Eurovision are well documented and will not end unless people speak up. It is deeply disappointing that you dismissed me as a spreader of disinformation, simply because I've presented you with information that challenges you. If you are really a journalist, as you once described yourself, you can do much better than this.
@@stu_makes_vids en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea firstly, than also the context. Pls. Again, you share point of view supporting hate. You can boycott whatever you want, thats your right. But boycotting and booing, boycotting and disrespecting are two different things. Many have violated Eurovision principles and still trying to apologise it. But still no one who did it found a way how to apologise it. As its impossible. Your argumentation is again foul one. Thats why I byed you, and doing it again, as you for the second time did not bring a valid argumentation. Thats it. Hard to apologise a terrible behaviours.
one more thing - this voting support by Israel. Many other countries are doing this (f.e. Latvia) and they did it even before. This is not against rules or ethics of the show. Its part of it. So this has absolutely zero validation to boo an artist or misbehave against the delegation. Actually we should prise every country which supports their artist at Eurovision and making adds for it. Also in here most people send voted cuz of the antisemitic news comming for eurovision. And you can tell whatever you want but thats how it is perceived here - this press conference went all the news and people even my friends voted Israel without even watching the show. Principle vote. Why? Cuz of how you behaved.
@@JanBors The first few lines of the History section of the Wikipedia article you shared tie the phrase to Zionism. It also cites the exact section of the charter that I shared as an early written example of the phrase. So you agree then? Claiming "From the river to the sea" to be inherently anti-Jewish is false.
Llevo años en cada Eurovision oyendo a los influencers eurovisivos, mucho antes de este 2024, comentando con sorna o entredientes acerca de las participaciones de Israel, lo que pasa es que no era politicamente correcto declararse antiisrarli o antisemita.Este año se han quitado las caretas , i ncluyendo a los Lets do it, que se han dedicado a echar leña al fuego. Pero no hay nada mas socorrido que el tiempo y el Karma existe. Buena suerte Europa.
Exactly this. Now actually its marketingly wise to go with this extreme stream as it is also kinda woke. It has two very dangerous issues in it, maybe three: 1. hard to step back from this path, as I can see arguments dont work on this people, so would be hard for them to admit they were wrong 2. Gives more clarity for right-wing extremists - peopme are sick of this antisemitism, violent protests and diversity combined and right wing will listen tk this calling. Means, racio will go to hell and only hate from every side will come. 3. More violence, more division, more extreme measures. Just because some crazy trend and because we did not say stop sooner. I just dont get how this can be such a mainstream without a real punishment. Second day in a row I am reading just hateful comments, even more disinformation and reality shaping, bullying. And people are cheering for it. Like its a normal thing to do. Very very sad.
@@JanBors Europa va camino a su destrucción y no quieren darse cuenta .Es un suicidio al parecer programado .Empezando por los LGBT , que defienden a los que nunca los aceptarán. Surrealista
How can you spread so much lies and use gabe's video to falsely accuse him of fake speech. And on top of that, implying that Jewish people didn't stand for themselves?! Reported. Never upload again.
@@shakitz1 FWIW, I actually agree that the comment about Jews not defending themselves was an oversimplification. Historically, there were quite a few resistance efforts. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is the most well known one, but there were others as well.
6:30-6:50 "Jews in Europe let everything what happened to them, they basically said 'Okay, we will stand those things, we will stand everything, we will let everything', until somebody said, 'Okay, they are pulling themselves so back that we can actually throw them into ovens'". I think this an obviously cruel and monstrous thing to say. And to claim beforehand that this is you helping people to "learn something about the Holocaust"? What unpleasant victim-blaming. Did people not suffer enough that you need to disgrace their memory? The myth (MYTH) that Jews went passively and silently is horrific. I suggest anyone reading this to go away and read about the perspectives of people after the Holocaust about this "sheep to the slaughter" idea. In Israel, you had textbooks write of "the humiliating surrender that led to the death camps", and survivors pretend to be native Israelis in order to avoid the societal prejudice against them. It is suggested that this perspective was particularly enforced in Israel, partly because of the importance to the state at that time of active armed conflict/resistance/attack. To quote Yehuda Bauer, talking about those who smear in this way those who died - "those who use it are identifying, even unconsciously, with the killers".
@@JanBors I wrote my comment genuinely, as I was taken aback by what you said. I feel like I did listen carefully. I went through that section several times, and after reading your comment went through it again. Are you saying in your comparison to flat-Earth that you think my saying that Jews did not passively create the conditions of the Holocaust is tantamount to believing the Earth is flat? In giving the benefit of the doubt, I hope that's not what you mean. Seriously, if I have completely misunderstood something, if there is something obvious in my comment that shows I haven't learnt to listen, I would appreciate your correcting me. My comment was to correct what I saw as a misrepresentation. I see in your videos that correcting misrepresentations of others is important to you, and important as to why you produce videos. I hope that you can believe me honest in actually wanting to understand.
I think Jan was referring to a sect of Jews like the Bundists (google it). If you were actually informed on Jewish history in Europe pre-WW2, you'd know that, but you are just using fake rage-harvesting with an intentionally distorted version of what was actually said and meant. I'm a Jewish son of holocaust survivors. I find your weaponisation of my family's pain to score points and discredit Jan - a rare ally of us Jews in the Eurovision sphere - the only problematic thing here.
Thank you so so much for this! It mean so much to me that there are sane voices like yours, in a reality where hatred of Israelis and Jews is the strongest trend, and once again the Jews are blamed for all the bad things that happen in the world. Lot's of love from Israel 🫶
STOP POLITICISING THE COMPETITION!!! Many of the countries in Eurovision have had frosty relations with one another for years without descending into the madness. The entire Ireland/Northern Ireland troubles took place during the time the competition was taking place and there was never any abuse towards the British entrants. People knew how to be professional back then and that performers are not politicians. Cultural exclusion of Israel is antisemitic. If you don't agree, boycott the competition, don't ruin it for the rest of us and don't force your opinion on us because the competition worked well for 67 years before these people ruined it.
Eurovision is organised by public broadcasters who have duty towards the public meaning all of us. You saying "if you dont agree, boycott" is out of order. We have the right to decide about our contest. You should watch the NZZ video on Eurovision being inherently political. Including Israel IS ALSO political but the other way. Everything we do is an ideological statement.
Jan- as a Jewish person, this video of yours really really alarmed me. Your comments about ovens were outrageous and insensitive. I am so disappointed in you. I always enjoyed watching your eurovision content, but you crossed the line with these comments. Your words are unacceptable and I hope with time you will realise this.
I am sorry if I hit you with something can you tell what triggered you? That I talk about when people are silent when it can lead? As it lead there in history? We tolerate behaviours which we should not. Sorry you dont agree, at least you wrote with an argument which I can take.
Many more Jews like me, as you've seen here in all the comments, found nothing wrong in this video and understood precisely what you meant - speaking about the majority of non-Jews who sat silent and did nothing while the Jews were oppressed more and more. I think very few real Jews would deliberately misinterpret what you've said - and I always suspect fraud from people who start by "as a Jew.." and then parrot apologisism for antisemites. Even in Europe in the 20s and 30s, there was a small minority of far-left secular Jews - the Bundists - that rejected Zionism and thought an alliance with non-Jewish socialists would save them from oppression. Almost all of those died in the Holocaust if they hadn't managed to escape to the West, and their beloved USSR persecuted Jews well into the 1990s - like Eden Golan's parents, born in Ukraine (her mother) and Lithuania (father), before all moving to Israel.
Thank you for always being objective 🫶 It’s funny how the guy in the beginning really bealieves that esc is safed from Israel, while the ESC is actually put in danger of their protests. Israeli delegation was in danger from the rage they were spreading on socials, which means all esc was in danger from their propaganda, not Israelis.
actually I am not deleting anything, unless I wrote before it will be deleted for violance call or open racism. (I deleted like 3 comments in past 4 years so far)
Jan, now I'm not the biggest fan of Gabe but I had watched video in it's entirety before this & you have completely misrepresented it with your clip. He put the blame on the EBU, which is correct. Everyone in the contest should be held to the same standard & they weren't. One got special treatment so of course it kicked off. Also it is not anti-semetic to disagree with Israel or what they are doing.
He doesn't care. He is so uncomfortable with people criticizing Israel that he will go as far as falsely accusing fellow content creators as "anti-semitic". If he were taking this seriously then he'd respond to fair criticism like this in an objective manner. But his goal is not to be objective. He wants to slander people who don't like this country and their actions.
THe video was very well made with a simple case - if israel is not there, it would be ok, thats a mistake of EBU who allowed them then bulling others... and this narrative is simply not true as it forgot to tell, that police there was because of people are hateful, its because they needed to protect Israelis and others againts - ha, not Israelis. But its easier to blame them for everything. It forgot the isolation. Insults from artists and fanbase. Constantly using fake news and disinformation. Talking about stuff which ruined it /wtf is still about this antibooing system/ and also implies of cheating cuz of ads... this is just one big shameful video.
The Televote spoke for the final ... Eden would of never competed if there was not security for her and all the delegations... Nothing happened... People need to move on ... I can't imagine any other country hosting will go through this again especially Switzerland...
security is always high, this year was probably way higher for the risk of some terrorist attack. For sure still not higher than in Kyiv in 2017, where everyone was affraid of Russian possible attack. Anyway, being afraid of terrorism in Malmo was obvious, after the hate was fed. You never know which maniac will do something supported by such crowds
Security measures, snipers, police from other countries, etc. would be exactly the same if Israel did not participate. After what has been happening in Europe in recent months, after the terrorist attack in Moscow, no one would risk loosening security measures. And Eden was probably protected mainly by Israeli services.
I see the bullying brigade can't have any dissent and difference of opinion, even from a small account in a corner of the internet. So we will now see the comment section get full of childish insults, bizarre accusations and other far-left "struggle sessions" tactics. You are all such a burden on most of society - see the public vote for the actual sentiment of the silent majority - a burden to roll our eyes and try to ignore the profanity, disrespect and regurgitation of shallow soundbites and disinformation. Sigh.
@@swguyp28 So many words and so little said. You are not writing a college essay. If you're going to dismiss any criticism of this video as """bullying""" and advocate for their deletion then you are not in the position to whine about "actual sentiment of the public". Neither can you whine about "disrespect and """shallow soundbites""" while insulting people you disagree with as "a burden on society" (Also that bit about "the public vote" as a means of meassuring public sentiment is beyond stupid. You cannot vote against a song. Also, Israel didn't even win the public vote even though pro-Palestinians votes where spread across 24 different songs. You are embarrassing yourself)
@@xSimonTan That sounds like projection, but sure, you do you. P.S. You liked my words and style enough to copy them, word for word, in another comment, as they were your own😘
Thank you again for this video! Many many fans and fan press people will speak up on this matter because they swim with the stream, they just talk about what they heard from the majority, about what is trending right now. And it was trendy to hate on Israel. They all hopped on the Anti-Israel-Train. Some artists started spreading the narrative why it is bad that Israel participated and then the first media went like "Oh, we won’t cover Israel this year“ and then all other fan press followed them blindly, because they saw they could gather new fans and generate new likes. They just write what people want to hear. It’s so dangerous because fans trust them. They spread the hate. Without reflecting the just took the opinion from artists like Bambie Thug and agreed. That is dangerous! These people must be kept from publish such antisemitism!
I can see you are holding back some tears. What is weird for me is that I have just watched the ESC Gabe video and I sensed his poilitical side and his intensity about blaming the EBU. He has another video from 3 to 4 months ago about the politics of Israel and Azerbaijan in ESC. I try to keep an open mind and listen to all points of view ,but yours keeps the song contest as a song contest, not a political platform. Before I watched the final, I watched again the 1970 and the 1985 editions to calm my nerves and reminisce of the good old days of the contest (when everything was live!!!!!) Things were so simple then! Peace and love to you Jan!!!
You may be 100% against bullying and harassment, but you are also 100% for Israel in every way. Given the current political climate and what the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians, I really wonder if you are weak enough to support a country even when it is clearly doing something wrong. It's not that hard to be 100% objective and understand both sides while resisting hate. What the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians is terrible. There are numerous reports, videos and sources that go even deeper into the matter, and yet you deny everything. I think the denial really makes you look like a bad person. I actually thought you would be fair and denounce people for hating innocent people like Eden, but now I realize you go even further and defend all the atrocities committed by the Israeli government. Real advice: try to be fair. And this? This ain’t being fair. This is being a terrible human being hiding behind the truth the whole world already knows about.
how does this connected to Eden Golan, or Eurovision itself? Also you are talking about current government or the previsous ones? You know people protest an mass there againts the gov and a prime minister? ... now what each side is doing to each in general, especially in extremes, which are very different for Gaza and West Bank. They are basically like two very different Palestines if you agree that its somehow a double state. For native israleis palestinians / arabs nothing changed. Over there is democracy. So I rly dont get your comment. Or you maybr did not get what I was talking about in the video. Or maybe you did and this is just perfect example on why.
@@JanBors Here are a few points that I'd like to reiterate: 1. The Israeli government is CURRENTLY committing atrocities against the Palestinian population. So we're talking about the current government. It doesn't matter which side, which country, which city these people come from or anything else. Atrocities are atrocities. Listen to the voice of reason, if you still have any. 2. Eden is an Israeli artist who publicly and privately supports what her government is doing to innocent people. Although she doesn't deserve hate, I can logically deduce why the hate is directed at her. Having an opinion as an artist or viewer is different. But you can't think she's a special flower that needs to be left alone. She has an opinion. She's her own person. If you get involved in politics, you get what you get. The same goes for any other would-be politician. Politics is a sensitive subject. Supporting what your government does isn't the best way to do it, and that is a fact. Stop wasting your thoughts on nothing. Be against hatred, regardless of who is involved. Don't be prejudiced. You are a grown man. Neither side is perfect and neither side is 100% right, but you're still in passive denial about what the Israeli government is doing to innocent people. Take a REALLY GOOD look in the mirror and ask yourself if your heart feels it's right to do so. That's all I have to say.
Im soooo happy to see people in Europe can talk like this, know and understand the truth and dont eat all the bullshit of hate and hidden antisemitism. Thank you jan❤
Your post is very ignorant. Please learn what Israel does in Palestine. The fact that I am gay doesn’t mean I will condone massacres of people who don’t like me.
I am afraid you are coming over as an Israel apologist that is shameful of you. Where is your moral compass? You cannot argue Israel brought nothing to the contest except disputeand division. Their performance was one of the weakest (Vocally flawed as so many vocal coaches have pointed out and a dreary lifeless staging) and it would have been better if they stayed at home. Frankly I would ban Israel for good after the many complaints about the behavior of the Israeli Delegation. Israeli is always playing the victim it has to stop now and I glad the ICC has laid charges against Netanyahu.
Perhaps we've all had enough of Eurovision. It's a huge waste of money that most national broadcasters desperately need to keep the lights on. Revenue from TV commercials isn't what it used to be. I don't understand why songs require expensive staging and the massive amount of electricity needed. It makes the experience of watching it exhausting. Is anyone else tired of over staging, too much production, too much lighting, too much noise and politics.
I dont agree, those things cost money but also has some prestige. After all show without exposure would not have scandals worth mentioning. Thanks god for Eurovision, also because of this we can talk about such important topics.
It's cute how you are all so adorably clueless about how the business world works to think this matters or is the reason behind things. Even your conspiracy theories are juvenile:)
@@JanBors Maybe Qatar can step in instead, or give more power to China's TikTok (sarcasm, as these days people are that ridiculous in real life, satire is no longer possible).
My grandmother is a holocaust survivar from Hungary. And we are living very dark and sad time.. history is starting to repeat itself and we are scared. 🇮🇱🙏✡️🎗
@@ireskin485 educate yourself. There’s nothing in the actions of Israel to suggest that they want to kill all of the Palestinians. On the other hand, that’s exactly what Hamas wants to do with Jews in Israel
Hi Jan, just curious here, are you a Jewish?? I agree with everything you are saying, while I have my thought about the conflict that is happening at Gaza at the present and I believe no one sided is coming across glorious, Eurovision is an opportunity to stop the madness for a week and enjoy the spectacle, an example I’m a Real Madrid fan and I watched a video of our last victory in the champion league were a large group of Palestine people were reunited in a club in Gaza enjoying the game and the victory, what I mean with this is that, life is already very hard, let us enjoy these moments, where we can pause and enjoy the moment
@@JanBors the only thing that is saving my post Eurovision depression is knowing that Real Madrid is playing another champion league final in 2 weeks time 😆
May the Creator of the world protect you and give you strength for all your statements for Israel, it is not easy to be a thinking person who really sees what is right, Israel is not perfect, but the way we are presented, it is simply a shame, thank you very much for being a voice of truth in a sea of lies❤❤❤
Israel got top public points from ALL Nordic countries (me included), even when our governments are heavily Palestine-leaning. We, the people, see your pain.
thank you. Imo if we stay silent, than worse times are coming and not even extreme left will kill the context from inside, but extreme right will cancel participations because of extreme left... and not even talking about society split
Hating on a Jewish man, who is articulate enough to say that that Israel does not speak in his name is shameful. Your comments only cause to create further division, The EBU had every opportunity to prevent this crisis but failed.
He's responding to a creator who went on a wild, endless rant of demonisation, targeting a contestant who needed heavy security from death threats, and he's fueling the hate further. Gabe is an agitator. Also, his views on Israel are representative of a tiny fringe minority of the Jewish population. More ironically, he has been radicalised only very late for the pro-palis that now fawn over him. Look into his history, and you'll discover he was an ardent centrist Zionist just a couple of years ago - like 95+% of us Jews.
The issue is, that if in core fan base the argumentation goes the way Gabe and others do, the project is in danger. Not because there is a censorship or hate, those are emotional things. But because there are spreading missinformations, disinformations and wrong context stuff mixed together, which is absolutely easy to be found. But when it is debunked, it is spread again by the same people. Than this can lead in very specific bubble of people, who might be after all a danger for the name of the project. Something like football hardcore fans, who dont even go to football to watch it, but to fight on the stadium. This is very this lead, and guess what. Reality will be, that Eurovision producers, not just EBU, will put this group of people aside and will give chance to new ones. Especially after this years Eurovision, where HC fandom alongside with some artists just get the idea Eurovision is there project. But it is not.
@@JanBors Gabe never spread disinformation about his experience in Malmo. Criticizing a government, it's actions, and the repercussions of its actions in NOT hate speech. However, posting a clip of someone exercising their right to free speech, and then surrounding his image with the words "This is hate speech like in a book" is nothing less than cyber-bullying. There was nothing anti-semitic in Gabe's comments, seriously, he is Jewish himself! You should be really, really ashamed of this video Jan. You have just become one of the toxic people you claim to despise.
@@thingybob4375@thingybob4375 But Gabe did not speak about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza, which has nothing to do with the Israeli artist and the delegation that were bullied, threatened, excluded and then with added textbook gaslighting from the abusers, claiming false BS stories as if they, the bullies and agitators, were the victims of made up Israelis's wrongdoing. Gabe knowingly poured gasoline on this hate fest, throwing in endless amounts of misinformation & disinformation. You seem unable to see this objectively; your confirmation bias has distorted that option for you.
He actually did, when he talked about voting for example and ads made by Israeli's gov. Or the one with the security. You know what disinformation is, right? Its the phenomenon where you put right things in the wrong context, without context or non-existent context, reshaping the reality to your own gain or to hit someone else.
@@JanBors The only discussions that broadcasters are having right now is about the behavior of the Israeli delegation, dubious televote results, the EBU wrongfully blaming their own faults on delegations and artists, the usage of anti-booing, the wrongful disqualification, lack of press freedom, and the delay of Iolanda's performance video. I don't think broadcasters would be interested in raising a discussion about this matter.
@xSimonTan You just noted on one hand a violation that you want the EBU to punish,while at the same time glorifying the exact same thing coming from another delegations!! Who is the hypocrite here??
I stopped watching Gabe’s videos (and of his friends) after the first video in which they spitted hate on Israel. I know it’s not much, but my decision this year was not to support creators who show antisemitism with my views and likes
@@sunniva3252 attacking a singer at Eurovision doesn’t equal criticising the government. And it is antisemitism. That’s what it is when you collectively blame all Jews for whatever you believe that Israel is doing wrong. But at the same time you excuse Palestinians for what had been done on October 7.
You seems to be a nice guy, but you are talking shit when defending Israel! Israeli delegation did so many wrong things, they broke the rules many times and still were in the final!
You are a liar, the Israeli delegation did nothing wrong! The delegations AND artists of Greece, Ireland and the Netherlands abused Eden, and the rest of the delegations except Austria, Germany and Luxemburg boycotted Eden Golan, stop spreading lies.
Stop pretending that you're concerned about hate. If you were, then you'd be advocating for Israel's exclusion from Eurovision aswell, especially given the behavior of their delegation this year.
Si!!!!!! Totalmente ! Son horribles !!! You era súper Fan de Matt de ESCunite y de William de WIWIBLOG.. Horrible Antisemitismo en los dos canales.. 💔✡️💙🤍
I disagree with almost everything you said, but I don't feel hate toward you. I feel compasion. I think it must be very harmfull to live with belief that genocide of your people was caused by stepping back. It is untrue, cruel and victim blaming. Person who is fed with such belief can become easy target of nationalistic, chauvinistic and military propaganda. And such belief has nothing to do with true. Violence tells us a lot about aggresor and nothing about victim. If victim try to negotiate or hide is called coward. If victim try to fight back is called provocative. But terrifing true is that every human being can be victim, no matter what they do. I would love to recommend you "Shielding the flame" by Hana Krall Polish-Jewish reporter - it is about Marek Edelman, one of leader of Uprising in Warsaw Ghetto and heart surgeon. Just read it... and think. PS: I don't know much about politics but I think that what is happening in Gaza now - you can call it as you wish - must be stopped.
How do you get this is was the meaning? This is historical true - jews were bullied troughout the history and again started slowly in 1920s and continuing in 1930s without any fight back. Slowly and slowly that led only to bigger bullying, cancelations, murders and after all holocaust. Thats why there exist Never Again. Because there is a fight back now and never step back as those little steps led to this. Not because jews made it happen ofc, how you can even implx this? Wtf
A couple of clarifications:
1. Gabe himself is Jewish.
2. There is a general tendency for people to say that protesting Israel’s participation this year in Eurovision is inherently anti-Semitic or racist. These blanket statements are unhelpful to everyone. Extremes drive extremes. In this video, you are part of that.
What I saw in Malmo were Israelis and Palestinians marching side by side for peace. I saw calls for a ceasefire from both sides, to stop the suffering of people on both sides (except for Hamas).
I saw and talked with close Israeli friends planning to leave Israel to move to another country because of the actions of their government in Gaza and the Israeli media propaganda that many Israelis are sick of hearing.
I don’t disagree in that we all need to check our biases. Children, babies, should not be being killed. The loss of human lives from October 7th through to now is horrific. Hamas is to blame for starting this new cycle of violence - let’s be 100% clear on that - they are terrorists and opportunists who killed so many innocent civilians.
But what has happened since then and the Israeli actions of displacement of populations, killing such high numbers of civilians including also children, volunteer workers, journalists, etc. All this means that Israel is not blameless for the situation as it stands - what we see and hear from reporters on the ground in Gaza is horrifying. Where is the human dignity for innocent civilians?
You keep saying to everyone ‘go educate yourself’. I think it’s good advice - I will continue to try to educate myself on all of the facts and also the propaganda that comes from both sides, as well as the reports coming from all corners of the media from all corners of the world. Will you commit to doing the same? To continue to educate yourself beyond your usual sources of news media? I think if we are to get so in depth on this then we must understand all perspectives.
I am sorry Chris, but the anti-Israel feelings in fandom did not start on 07/10 - it started many years ago. Just this year it all came to pass, and all of it came out because 'It is allowed now' . I remember clearly the long faces of people in fandom when to have to review Israel song or even mention Israel. It's been going on for years!!!!
Yet you provide no facts. Gabe might be jew, its not my point. As this is irelevant. What he does in the video, blaming Israel for basically everything. Like their entire existence was a problem of the contest, putting together things which are not even a problem (rewriting the song, changing the name) or security levels. Never mentioned - fans overreacted etc. Its clearly anti-israeli statement without proper facts, just emotions. What I say is that such things should be unnaceptable as they victimise an artist for certain nationality representation, blaming that person of everything. And yes, I saw livestreams from those peaceful protests (intifada, from river to the see), I saw how people in press centre reacted on 300 points from bublic - which Gabe is talking also about as a conspiracy thery cuz of ads (which most of countries does).
I understand you want to defend your friend but come with the facts. Enough is enough. This one sides hate (and you can find it also on this chanel) is quite clear, it can and should be pointed out and should not be tolerated. As exactly this irelevanr crowd hate lead to Holocaust. As you can feel I am overreacting, thats cuz the history learned us not to let this be.
@@JanBors ok I see - this response is only showing me that you have very entrenched views and that you are unwilling to look at things from the other side. To be clear, I met Gabe in the press centre, we don’t know each other at all really. But when for example Eden was there nobody was causing her any problems at all. Even those who felt Israel shouldn’t be there were respectful to the artist (in the press centre this is). The same can’t be said for the level of respect given to all artists.
In the arena the atmosphere was definitely more tense - i happened to be sitting next to an Israeli who was booing Ireland and Greece loudly. He did apologise to me in the end but in the moment he was vicious towards both acts. And people were vicious towards Israel too of course - Eden was the public face but I think most of the anger was directed towards KAN, also for how they behaved during the week, which I did see, and which does merit criticism. There are probably other delegations that deserve criticism for certain things too, but I didn’t witness personally any other.
Of course there were many different protests, but you seem to only recognise the one that suits your narrative best.
I’m not saying you are completely wrong. But I do find that you are taking your position to an extreme with some of your language in this video bordering on harassment or hate speech towards Gabe. I don’t think that’s conducive to productive debates on the issue or on any issue. I wish we could all just respect each other a little more
@@ESC_ChrisM I am glad you are mentioning that no one harrased Eden in press centre directly. That would be something. But that would be just another harassement. Idk if its so hard to admitt, that basically Gabe, and so many people of the community, putting blame on Israel (and EBU for let them participate) for everything wrong happened at Eurovision, supporting artists with clearly hate speeches, and another recorded behaviors.
Basically, lets be honest - we did not want Israel in the contest, we dont want this genicide country there, country who is allowed everything - without any fact checking, like facts. And because this is amazingly popular now in the bubble and I can read it in the comments everywhere, even from Gabe himself to reinterpreted my example with holocaust to me being anti-semitic - that actually I should map this much more closer. So respect is just a word used oftenly without a meaning, the meaning is real behaviour and if you really watched the whole video, you know, what I also say about Israeli delegation. As I at least try to be objective. Thats why I watched whole video of Gabe's, analyse and then I did my video. Context matters.
@@ESC_ChrisM Finally, someone claims he was there. Wonderful. Can you actually give specific examples? **Hopefully, beyond the regurgitated 2-3 already debunked spins - KP taking a photo, the Spanish journalist/activist's lies and a mistranslation of a pun jokey comment in passing on the SF1 broadcast - happy to elaborate if you haven't seen these debunked by now**.
You claim KAN specifically misbehaved - exactly how and when/where? What did you witness? Will this endless defamation campaign actually get some substance to its claims to be discussed?
Also, isn't the infamous Spanish journalist booing and shouting at Eden during her live performance direct bullying? What happened at the semi-final press conference? Artists knowingly violating the rules on political symbols on live TV?
You seem so far one-sided and happy to boost the narrative that the side suffering from coordinated incessant bullying was somehow the instigator of it, but happy for you to give some facts and to be proven wrong. It all feels for now like gaslighting, and once you get any mild reaction from the consistently bullied side, you can spin it to absolve the original abusers and blame the victim ("they provoked me to bully them"). Seems like truly clutching at straws to defame any Israeli in Eurovision at all costs - we can't admit they were actually ok, especially in the background of all the hate they received, right? The double standards are indeed risible - Joost literally uses violence on a Swedish production staff member and breaks her camera, and most of the fandom and press rush to defend him. Eden behaved impeccably despite all the hate, but any innocuous thing anyone associated with Israel allegedly did this year will be in an instant demonised and highlighted as some drama (when the complaints come from the likes of Bambie, right ).
What we see here is a masterclass demo of how scapegoating and victim-blaming take place and how a narrative is built to excuse all and any behaviour of hate and malice.
I need to say this. When I watched the 2024 Grand Finals, Israel was booed. Azerbaijan wasn’t. Talk about hypocrisy!
the booing is in general rly wrong in such show
A longish read, but worth it!
My own translation of a summary written by Matan Shriker:
"This year, Switzerland won Eurovision with a record score of 591 points, but this was mainly due to the sympathy of the international judging teams. In the audience vote, on the other hand, Switzerland finished in 5th place. This phenomenon is a symptom of the politics of the competition, as opposed to the attempt by its organisers to preserve it as apolitical, which appeared even more strongly when it came to Israel.
Since the selection of the city of Malmo in Sweden, which is known as a centre of irregular immigration to such an extent that law and order authorities find it difficult to conduct themselves there as the host of the competition - there has been an understanding that this is a serious security challenge. Since the list of participating countries was revealed, fringe groups in Western Europe have demanded, as usual, that public steps be taken to suspend Israel from the competition. This time, their words found fertile ground for activity among some at the core of the competition's fandom from the concept that without the fans, Eurovision has allegedly no right to exist, and therefore, they were able to issue an ultimatum that if Israel is not removed, they will boycott the competition or cause disrepute and sabotage it.
They learned that the European Broadcasting Union, which organises the competition, has no basis to comply with such a whim. Discussions regarding some of the wording of the Israeli song provoked the global boycott movement to mark additional goals, and the Israeli president (a symbolic figure, not the head of state) understood this worked to try and block any and all Israeli participation and attempted to stop this kind of encroachment. The price of the EBU standing by the rulebook and greenlighting Israel's participation was mounting pressure from the BDS movement on European cultural centres to sign petitions to exclude Israel from any activity in the competition present and future, bullying the elected representatives of countries to threaten withdrawal and to threaten the media and individuals covering the competition to refrain from referring to Israel in their publications.
The representatives of Ireland and Portugal led anti-Israel moves and encouraged other representatives to delay preparations for the competition in protest of Israel's participation. They organised a "neutral" letter demanding "peace" between the warring parties (one being a terrorist militia that kidnapped and held captive 253 Israeli citizens in inhuman conditions as a bargaining chip). This letter was signed by 10 representatives, some of whom added bolder condemnations against Israel. This did not satisfy the boycott movement but instead made it hungry for more incitement for provocations and actions aimed at humiliating the Israeli delegation, inflaming the spirits in Malmo to the point of physically preventing the participation of the Israeli and Luxembourg delegations (which also has an Israeli background) and introducing political statements and provocations into the live broadcast in order to disrupt it as much as possible. An attempt by the European Broadcasting Union to issue clarifications condemning violence and extensive explanations regarding the fact that the competition is between public broadcasters and not governments did not help but rather intensified the demands because, for the boycott movement, it was accepted as if they had set the agenda.
After, in Iceland, they failed in their attempt to run as the Icelandic representative, a Jerusalem-born Arab amateur artist who identifies as Palestinian, they pressured international artists who were invited to the Eurovision events to boycott or participate and wear anti-Israeli symbols. The Israeli delegation, which received unprecedented security and constant death threats, remained isolated most of the time for security reasons. Sweden had to approve demonstrations involving thousands of agitators, and "troublemakers" from all over Europe flocked to the city from all ends of the political spectrum. Some of the commotions infiltrated the competition itself - for example, the Irish representative wrote political messages on her face and was required to remove them before the broadcast, and the Portuguese representative went on stage without permission with a black mesh baking pattern and pan-Arab colours on her nails. Behind the scenes, the Israeli delegation was repeatedly dragged into arguments about its very presence with the boycotting representatives, to the point of the intervention of the "separation of forces" organisers - this was, of course, twisted around to claim it was the victim of bullying and boycott - the Israeli delegation - that for no reason "harassed" other participants (the risibility of such claims was most palpable in cases claims were made of times the Israeli delegation was in its entirety not present at the compound). In rehearsals and broadcasts, the Israeli representative had to try and concentrate on singing while being loudly booed by a minority of viewers who were known to have coordinated this in advance in leaked group chats, which was mixed with authentic audience applause, some tried to override the booing provocateurs.
However, it seems that precisely this actually helped the Israel representative because the viewers of the European "silent majority" sympathised with her and her song about the victims of the 7.10 Nova music festival massacre or interpreted the side noises as louder applause. Israel received 12th place from the national judging teams when more than a fifth of all judges deliberately ranked Israel in last place (and no music professional could honestly claim this wasn't one of the best-performed songs this year and certainly not the very worst of them all). However, the campaign to vote for Israel against the boycott movement was successful beyond expectations and was even given impetus by European politicians and cultural figures. Israel won second place in the audience's vote by a huge margin from the judges' unprecedented de-vote. Precisely in countries with the strongest anti-Israel sentiment in their respective media and art spheres, Israel received the highest public support, also to the surprise of Israeli diplomats in those countries.
This is a heavy blow for the boycott movement, and it is evident in the reactions to the results. Disappointed representatives that were placed lower than the Israeli result (places 6-26) went on a smear campaign against Israel and explained that the presence of "that country" hurt their feelings and clouded the atmosphere. False allegations of the most juvenile kind pilled up. The removal of the Dutch representative who acted violently towards a Swedish camerawoman was also somehow blamed on the Israeli delegation (who now seemingly had collective telepathy abilities to make a grown man have a violent tantrum despite not being anywhere near the scene). At least 15 delegations sent letters of clarification regarding the alleged "soft attitude" towards Israel and the dismissal of their false accusations by the EBU. Some of the letters were embedded with thick antisemitic allusions to the "Jewish money" that caused the massive vote for Israel (in their eyes, It can't be genuine mass support and a wish from the broad public to send a message to the haters and agitators). Since there is no truth in these claims, which were brought, among other things, to obscure the violations of the rules the accusers themselves committed, for which they have already begun to be fined, they are destined to melt away and thereby further glorify Israel's resilient standing in the face an unprecedented smear and bullying campaign.
I would never ever sums it up better. Thank you for this!!!! May I also print-screen it and post it on other platforms? As this just makes absolute sense and worth reading
@@JanBors Yes, of course!
the televote result - take it with a salt of grain. it has been streched, because of sympathy votes for Israel. from those, who felt bad about the antisemitism and the bad social media record. that is exactly why many favorites have top scores and the rest has very little points. because the counter campaign was, to vote for croatia to prevent isreael to win. not all at once of course. but that is why I rather think switzerland would have come second at least under other circumstances. because - regarless if you like to hear the song outside of the esc event, it was the best live performance overall. staging and voice vice. anybody, who says otherwise, lies to himself or has no regard for quality anyway and only feels sad for his own favorite. I know, how this feels. I understand. still no reason to talk bad about a winner, only because you don't agree
@@nursen2106 It's really not about winning for Israel this year. They never thought they'd win (it was a typical Jury song that, in a normal year, would actually get the most points from the jury, not the public). The whole point was to stand firm against the boycotts and bullying, reach a respectable high place in the final, and prove they are not intimidated by the bullying and the attempts to "cancel" them, and that the haters and agitators are a minority in the general public - And they achieved all that exactly. It was a very graceful and powerful performance from a positive, talented and kind-hearted artist. It was definitely not a winning song, but it easily top 10 in any other year.
I think Croatia-which deserved to win-had a better song than Switzerland in all departments but vocals (though it's a rock song of a kind that doesn't require virtuosic vocals). They got their public votes fair and square, and whoever wanted to vote for "any leading competitor but Israel" had several options, including Ireland, Switzerland, France, Ukraine, etc.
In Israel's case, of course, many, if not most, of the public votes for Israel were non-Jews who felt sick from seeing the bullying on stage and outside it and used their vote as protest. Despite conspiracy theories, the Jewish/Israeli diaspora in most of Europe is tiny and insignificant in numbers; it's clearly an authentic vote from predominantly non-Jews.
@@swguyp28 i never said, it would have been about winning. just to take the televote result with reservations
Well... this was 14 minutes of pure gaslighting. While I have no problem condemning what Hamas did that day, that does not mean that Israel is above criticism with regards to how they have conducted this war. In addition to the over 10,000 children being murdered or wounded, the IDF has also killed foreign aid workers, and even their own hostages waving white flags. And very recently CNN interviewed Israeli whistleblowers revealing torture of Palestinian prisoners in an Israeli "detention center". There are even a minority of Israeli citizens protesting these crimes. Those are the facts, and it is not anti-Semitic to call this out!
nice fake news talk, what else you have there?
@@JanBors The fact that you can't respond to criticism in any other way than by dismissing it as "fake", or by deleting it all together is all there is you need to know about you as a youtuber
@@JanBors What the hell? CNN is fake news now? They shared footage of it. The IDF themselves even admitted culpability for the airstrike that killed 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers.
@@xSimonTan Yeah, if the claims I shared are false, then he should have no issue pointing me to sources which debunk them, but I won't hold my breath...
@@kennet7837 ok, let me try: first of all, ofgicial number of children, that were killed is around 8000 , not "more than 10000", and that's still acvording to Hamas Ministry of Health, and I have my doubts about the his numbers, because theey, you know, lie.
About the aid workers and hostages - it were accident, tragic, unfortunate accidents, that, unfortunately happen in a fight. About whistleblower and tortures - can you give some links? Apparently, i'm less involved on this matter than you, so please enlighten me
I'm a Eurovision fan from Israel, and the last Eurovision season was heartbreaking for me.
There was so much hatred, that was based on lies and ignorance as you said. But the worst thing for me, even more than the lies and the bullying, was the feeling of betrayal. Almost all Eurovision bloggers refused to acknowledge our existence, spread lies about us and some even regularly posted Hamas propaganda on their channels. Many of these people were here five years ago, I saw them in the Euroclub and Eurovision village in Tel Aviv.
And then there's you, Jan. You're such a ray of light in a sea of mean, hateful people. Thank you so much for speaking the truth and for being an ally. It restores some of my faith in humanity and for that you have my gratitude and admiration. Thank you so much.
I believe there are more Jans among the community and maybe they will also not be able to speak up, regardless the initial hate they will receive. This must be taken and I have a feeling that much more people is not ok with what you wrote. As this is clear hypocrisy and at some points antisemitism or xenofobia
You deny Israel has murdered 35 000 people in Gaza?
I come from a background of holocaust survivors. And it is ok to criticize the country Israel and IDF. It is ok to feel for the Palestine civilians. Also when you are part of the LGBT community. This whole discussion is made absolutely ridiculous by both extreme sites. I have seen messages on social media which were absolutely retarted for both sites. This video is also part of the complete black-white view that many people have. No, most eurovision fans dont hate jews (some pro palestine people might, but not all). They comment on the behaviour of the Israeli delegation. Just like people would critize if it was for example the Portugese delegation. Dont make everything about hate and love, about genocide and the holocaust. It is ridiculous.
You sound like the psychopath Norman Finkelstein. You are both from the same background...
did you really see my video?
He does not come from a background of Holocaust survivors in his family. And if so, and he talks like that. Sorry for his relatives.
For years, Israeli delegations to the Eurovision Song Contest complained about journalists who did not want to interview them, there was always hatred for Jews. Anti-Semitism never faded, it just waited for the right moment to erupt more.
@@JanBors Did you read his comment?
7:26 This. I'm the only one in my family who's really into Eurovision. One relative tolerates me showing them the videos because they usually find one or two things they like, but no one else gets actively involved. This year, I talked to them, and they told me that they had tried to vote for Israel's entry. I had already known that they'd really liked it (FYI: They'd also loved Portugal's, in case you think this is just a political thing), but I absolutely had not expected them to try to take the time and money to vote for it. I asked them why, and they said because there was terrible antisemitism all over their social media feed aimed at the Israeli singer. And they don't even follow Eurovision stuff. Most of their focus is on American political progressives. "Besides," they added, "the song is good." If that was how things looked to an American who doesn't generally pay attention to Eurovision, I can only imagine how it looked to Jews in countries that actually participate in the competition.
yep, many people in here voted without even watching because of this
@@JanBors hahahaha thats a lie!!!
You don´t have to hate Jews to criticize Israel for bombing Palestinian territory and for killing civilians. Hamas made a horrible attack in last October, but Israel has went far beyond self defense with their military actions. Israel has been very successful and popular in the ESC during the years. Their artists have been hugely loved in the ESC community. Israel has won the contest four times. Even last year they came third without any controversy. It´s very bizarre to think that the whole ESC community suddenly would´ve turned antisemitic in one year. Don´t you think it´s quite far fetched?
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Can you tell me if the hostages are safe back home?
@@JanBors was that the question Jan? Was that mentioned above Jan?
Have the illegal settlers gone home yet Jan.
Have the 300 men and young kids interned without trial gone home yet Jan. Have they been released Jan?
Has Isreal admitted to using white phosperus in their bombing raids Jan. ?
Fucking whataboutism
@@JanBors There it is. You are not concerned about hate. You are just uncomfortable with the fact that so many people are critical of Israel and zionism, and rightfully so. Nobody is advocating against the return of the hostages, it's the opposite actually. People are just advocating against the pinkwashing of an apartheid country that actively commits war crimes and have ended the lives of more than ten thousand people in the past few months, bombed all hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, homes, refugee camps in the most populous area in the world, and are indiscriminately labling the entire population of Gaza as t-rists as their justification.
here before the loser deletes the comment lmao
this is disgusting. slandering someone for supporting human rights and calling him anti-semitic with no basis completely takes the meaning out of anti-semitism, which is a genuine issue. Please focus your energy on actual anti-semitism like synagogue shootings, not criticism of a country waging war.
you mean the effect of anti-semitism, I rather start with the cause.
Thank you Jan for being a ray of light in all this darkness. I am a 54-year-old woman and a fan of Eurovision since 2015. I enjoy following TH-camrs before the show and this year many of those I followed ignored Israel's song or worse came out with mean statements against Israel's participation. As an Israeli and a Jew for the first time in my life, I understand how easily another Holocaust can occur. It's scary and discouraging but thanks to people like you there is still hope 🙏
My brother (from Croatia) who never watches and doesn't care for Eurovision has for the first time ever voted for Israel due to the growing antisemitism on social media. He didn't even watch the contest this year, he just voted for Israel. Respect for Eden and Israeli team for the bravery of showing up in the contest in spite all of the hate
many of friends and their families around me did the same, they dont even care about Eurovision and most of them probably did not hear the song. They just wanted to support Israel. And some of them voted simply for a reason to make those antisemites cry. Like rly. Its sad but also somehow calming, that people are after all not blind to this.
Hi dear friend! Thank you for your videos in general and the recent ones in particular! Especially the latest one. It's really important to analyze the broader picture beyond the Eurovision contest. You clearly succeed with a lot of honesty in painting a sane and admirable picture. I'm a bit similar to you... interested in this contest because of the multicultural phenomenon it represents for me, and through some of the shallow songs, I think it's amazing to gather many countries and connect them with a common cultural denominator, like really in the Olympics. I elaborate on this because for me especially as an Israeli Jew, it was heartbreaking and still is to see this sea project starting to unravel and it is now part of a trend of anti-Semitism in the world, and you portrayed it correctly, that we must not be shocked and accept this anti-Semitism as a decree of fate. On 7.10, about 1,500 civilians were massacred and about 250 were taken hostage. Those massacred were infants, children, women, the elderly, men. Before the cruel murder, they underwent rape and severe abuse, babies were put into bakery ovens and baked alive, mothers were raped in front of their children and then shot, entire families. Lives were burned... There is documentation and videos of this that Hamas filmed during the act and broadcast live on social media with pride. This aroused in all of us in Israel the collective memory of the Holocaust. And to this day we are in pain. Therefore, your words are important and touching. Thank you very much. Keep it up and I was also happily subscribed today as a supporter of your wonderful channel, as Eden Golan said at the end of her song in Hebrew, I listen carefully to your unique voice here in the TH-cam community, in my eyes your voice is important and it's like Eden Golan's prayer at the end of the song Hurricane 'You don't need big words... just one small light'... Raz
thank you Raz! means a lot!
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You're being very brave to tell the truth. I'm sorry for all of the harassment and bullying you'll face for this.
on the internet? This is nothing, no one is booing me for nothing in the arena or writing petitions to exclude me just because I am Czech.
@@JanBors hahaha that's rich. jesus christ, and to think that I really enjoyed your videos. never again, byeeee
Unfortunately, there is a single mindset among most fans.
Thank you for not making me feel alone in my way of thinking.
From Portugal, thank you from someone who likes Eurovision.
Thanks!
omg thank you!!!
Thank you for that brave voice
You are my goat for calling out gabe
Thank you for making this video. It’s so important that all people speak out against the rising tide of antisemitism, in Europe, in the US and so on.
I’m not Jewish. I’m British with Irish ancestry. Both of my grandfathers fought in World War II (and both were at D-Day in 1944), to free Europe and the world from genocidal fascists that wanted to rid the world of Jews. That’s why I draw a moral parallel between what they did then and what Israel are doing today to rid the world of the genocidal maniacs Hamas. Obviously it hurts to see civilians caught up in the fighting, no one enjoys seeing innocents die, but fundamentally the buck stops with Hamas. They started this war on Oct 7th, every civilian death on both sides is down to them. I don’t want to hear anyone calling for a ceasefire, unless, in the same sentence they call on Hamas to release the hostages.
Just regarding the Malmo protest in particular, it’s very easy to identify this pro Hamas mob as modern Brownshirts (Hitler’s Sturmabteilung) based on what many of them were shouting. Amongst the usual calls to eliminate the world’s only Jewish state, they were also chanting “Sinwar we will not let you die”. That’s right. They were openly supporting Hamas leader and Oct 7th architect Yahya Sinwar, the man who is today surrounding himself with 15 Israeli hostages in a terror tunnel under Gaza in a bid to save his own skin. Let that sink in. And these people actually think they are on the side of the angels. In what world?
Love to Israel from the UK - please know that all rational, reasonable, decent people are with you and support you. Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱🕯️🎗️
I know, I am watching this and its unbelievable for me, how much is this tolerated. We are not anymore living in 1930s but people probably forgot where it led. Also the conmection with Russian propganda and russian payed groups tells a lot
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Thank you for the courage to speak the truth clearly.
with love from austria!
Some claim that Hurricane borrowed/quoted some melody from: Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next - to convey the hidden message...
This song was one of the most important songs in ESC... I think it was sort of wake up call for the European public - it ripped of the mask of what is going on.
That is why I think it received such significant votes from the public. (Besides being a fantastic song on its own)
Thank You!
I agree, it has shown pretty much a lot about also eurovision bubble, also about the issue how people are afraid to speak up as then they are bombarded with non-sense, dead treats and false arguments.
Thank you, because for the last few days I thought I was not in my right mind. I
'm really disgusted by the hypocrisy of the Western left, because that's what the Eurovision bubble is mainly made up of. When the war broke out in Ukraine, the entire West repeated like a mantra that it was Putin's war, you cannot blame and discriminate against ordinary Russians, because they are not guilty. Joost traveled to Russia and collaborated with Russian musicians after the outbreak of the war. He shouted how much he loved Russians, Russian women and wanted to have Russian children (which I wish him with all my heart, because he mentally fits in there).
Now it turns out that the representative of Israel can be discriminated against and insulted and that she, unlike the Russians, is responsible for the war waged, although not caused, by her country. What changed? Even if we assume that she officially represents her country, she is not the one who makes decisions, and everyone has the right to support their country, especially if it has been attacked in such a horrible way. I don't think their song was political either. Why don't they have the right to talk about their suffering?
This is really insane, all these TH-camrs who now at best pretended Israel doesn't exist, eurovision Reddit sub etc were mostly pissed that Ukraine won in 2022 and now they would vote for anyone who showed up with a Palestinian flag. I don't think it's just anti-Semitism, but a deeper problem with the young Western left, and anti-Semitism is only part of this problem.
I am glad you say that as this message of yours maybe sums it up
even better
@@JanBors Thank you, I certainly didn’t sum it up better. I appreciate your opinions.
Thank you for saying the right words 💙🇮🇱🫶 I’m an Israeli and your video made me cry, cos we’ve been through so much and we need more people like you! The community and artists were violent, bullying towards Israeli team and Israeli people in general and that’s sad. But we’re strong, we will survive and most importantly - we fight the terror for the whole world, not only for Israel 🇮🇱 thank you again Jan! So appreciate your support
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That GabeESC video is quite a remarkable masterclass piece of propaganda: Distort and take out of context a few drops of actual innocuous happenings, mix with a shitload of lies and gaslighting, scapegoating the victim of bullying from multiple directions as the alleged single source that actually "provoked" everyone that would of course otherwise be angels (if only the bullied kid stayed at home kind of argument...). This is how narcissists react to criticism of their own wrongdoing - DARVO, denial, attack others, and reverse the victim and offender. This is also precisely how demonisation occurs, and we know where that leads... As a psychologist myself, I'm uncomfortable saying this, but some people around this behaviour seem genuinely unhinged, and some of the most prominent instigators of this coordinated bullying campaign against Israel's participation (that is still ongoing...) seem to need professional help, not a megaphone and media attention.
P.S. One of the most bizarre accusations is that "the Israeli delegation" harassed others "constantly". In reality, because of security threats from pro-Palestionians that Mx Thug and co. encouraged, the Israeli delegation almost didn't interact with anyone, stayed in their hotel under massive security for most of the two weeks of preparations and shows, and even did all the off-stage rehearsals there. They were simply not there 90% of the time and kept separate at all times by security measures. The level of fabricated vague complaints seems ridiculous at some point, as if the people who tried their hardest to prevent Israel from participating this year or sabotaging Eden's performance (including the infamous Spanish "journalist") now think they can build a case against Isreal's participation next year by pilling up false complaints. It will not work as well but only carries on to ruin Eurovision for everyone and block any healing from this year's hijacked show.
It seems stuff as innocuous as the Israeli stylist daring to use his phone to film artists rehearsals, and Israeli media asking certain anti-Israel artists questions is being cast as bullying or harassment. Just absolute stupidity, grand hypocrisy and childishness.
Yep, thx for sharing this as this is just so much outta taken one direction to fit the absolute shameful narratives
@@littleblackpistol Exactly. When you ask the complainants to describe what actually happened, it's a handful of these stupid examples that every objective observer would agree are of no substance. One example comes to mind as particularly ridiculous - the Polish contestant now claims "the Israeli delegation" harassed her, but they were never in any physical space at the same time; they simply never interacted, not even in passing, different semi-finals; Poland wasn't in the final, etc.
Thank you very much for your response! Israeli fans felt very alone in this period of time and im glad there is someone like u that got some sense.
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Really?! Deleting negative comments? Let me tell ask you: do you think the behaivor of the israelisch delegation was good? Anybody who comment on that are anti israel? Are hatefull? Damn....ignorance
I dont delete anything, probably it does youtube with hatespeech automatically? Idk
TH-camrs don't have the ability to delete comments, smart one.
@@gabesalgado789oh yes they do....that backfired
@@JanBors any comments on the behaivor of the israelisch delegation
When you violate the community guidelines, YT has an automatic filter and deletes such comments. It's that simple... don't be stupid and follow the rules...
Jan, you are absolutely right. Please know that you are not alone in your opinion! Your video deserved 100 000 Likes!
thank you
Jan, pure poetry
Loving your videos. Finally someone putting a mirror up to these elements of the fandom. I still loved the experience this year, ensured I stayed away from places I knew would upset me, and ensured I clapped and cheered while Eden was on.
People want to boycott, let them! I just don't understand why they need to inform everyone about it. Go quietly! You're unhappy/offended? Ok, it's part of life that things don't always go your way. Deal with it and move along.
Nothing is changing because of these protests, either in Eurovision or on the geopolitical stage. Israel won't change it's policy because of protests overseas and EBU doesn't have the grounds to kick KAN out. Let's just hope that by next season there is a better guide on behaviours that will not be tolerated - from delegations, accredited "media" or fans. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and belief, but no one has the right to make others feel like they have to hide theirs for their own safety.
absolutely agree!
I can't thank you enough for this video. it take so much courage and values in order to step in the front and make a voice against all the herd of people going with simple hate just because it accepted and tolerized, and we know from history too well were it can get us.
as a gay person I cant understand how most of this hate comes from people of the LGBT community and why they try over and over to exclude more and more people from this competition and make it exclusively their own. I know for sure they don't care for Palestinians because as you said they didn't care about Russia and they absolutely don't care about other much bigger wars going around the world. its a simple Antisemitism and obsession with Israel. if they are a true fans of Eurovision they will value Israel who contributed so much to this competition, and wouldn't try to ban and Ignoring Israel. I hope more people who care about this competition will also make their voice heard and stand behind Israel. I send you lots of love.
thanks for your words!
That JanBors video is quite a remarkable masterclass piece of propaganda: Distort and take out of context a few drops of actual innocuous happenings, mix with a shitload of lies and gaslighting, scapegoating the victim of bullying from multiple directions as the alleged single source that actually "provoked" everyone that would of course otherwise be angels (if only the bullied kid stayed at home kind of argument...). This is how narcissists react to criticism of their own wrongdoing - DARVO, denial, attack others, and reverse the victim and offender. This is also precisely how demonisation occurs, and we know where that leads... As a psychologist myself, I'm uncomfortable saying this, but some people around this behaviour seem genuinely unhinged, and some of the most prominent instigators of this coordinated bullying campaign against anti-zionists (that is still ongoing...) seem to need professional help, not a megaphone and media attention.
It's like bouncers kicking out the rest of the nightclub patrons and leaving that one coked up bully in there to wreak havoc. Then blaming everyone else on his behaviour.
The mental gymnastics by the OP is mental. This video is embarrassing.
Wonder how much he was paid.
And every non Israel reply is deleted ...as if by magic
probably TH-cam is automatically deleting what feels its a hatespeech. I dont delete stuff
@@JanBors hilarious. This is the least true thing you have said today. Which by some distance is a feat itself
@@SteCarey TH-camrs don't have the ability to delete comments, smart one. Learn the facts before making accusations.
Better to call those haters out, and we'll show them the only language they understand because they never understand our language of true selfless love and peace.
Hi Jan, maybe you like to see the TED talk A Palestinian and a Israeli, face to face (Aziz and Maoz). Must Stop Hate 🙏
Thanks for your important words 💙🇮🇱💙
Thank you for this video, English isn't your first language and some are going to try to use that against use but when you watch the whole video everyone can see the truth.
I cannot care less about such :) Anyway, its kinda very alarming how what would be absolutelly automatically considered racism, is not considered antisemitism. If its about Israeli politics, or war, never would be used such words and such methods. Europe needs to wake up.
@@JanBors especially when the person knows better and just spend years of his life getting rid of Corbyn from the Labour party because of anti Israel antisemitism, interesting that he doesn't tell his audience he is a Zionist himself as well.
Thank you! I completely agree with you! The community who should be the most inclusive, they just behaved like a brats 😢
Thanks for bringing this up! 👍🌹I was genuinely disgusted watching Gabe's video, excuse me! It was as if he had tried to find as much fault as possible and give some kind of besserwisser speech. But I see it through. First, he complained that there were cops on every corner, hey!?? You don't have a clue. Sweden started planning the security work already when Loreen won. With highly challenging security work on their shoulders. High level of threat, the situation around the world, planned demonstrations, protest etc.
Police officers from all over Sweden, Denmark, Norway cooperated to create a safe place for the event! They closed airspace for drones, some traffic, had surveillance from the roofs protecting the arena etc. Malmö City was exposed to a hacker attack 1 hour before the final, the traffic went up VERY much, but they managed to stop the attack. At the same time, a large police force had to contend with a massive demonstration march of Thousands of people near the arena and other places. Here, too, they had worked for months to carry out “calm/peacful demonstrations". This massive work was done with one purpose - so that we all could be UNITED BY MUSIC!!! ❤️.....(did we?)
Safety was priority and was achieved!! No injuries, no shooting, no threatening people/protests on stage, despite the Intense pressure and atmosphere that characterized the event.👏👏Malmö City and the police are very satisfied but tired. Close people said that they felt very safe and that the police were very nice 👍🥰.
He continued to talk a lot of nonsense and everything was twisted to put the blame on in particular one party.
I agreed with you that it is completely idiotic to project one's anger regarding a government/a "brutal" leaders warfare on individual individuals. Eden Golan, 20 years old, who is only in a MUSIC program that wants to stay out of all politics and sings a song. It's the TV companies that compete, not the state/government according to the EBU. And the independent broadcaster Kan has so far met all the requirements in 50 years of participation, which Russia's 3 public service companies did not.
Regarding Russia there was also a broad consensus among the member states that Russia could not participate. This broad consensus has not happened regarding Israel (yet anyway).
I do not have full insight into how the delegations behaved there, so I avoid commenting on that.
Henrik von Zweigbergk was (also) booed by the audience when he announced that Joost would not participate, but still took it in stride since the news wasn't really out yet. He said "EBU needs to be better at communicating that he did a damn stupid thing and has to own up to it". We do not yet know the prosecutor's assessment. But you can't circumate a police report and its process, hear witnesses and so on. And probably want to protect those involved before you can comment on the matter. Our crown princess's Victorias Instagram account was overflowing with angry comments??? Again, are you directing the anger at the right object? Before we know the facts. I understand the HUGE disappointment of all the fans and those who traveled here, but I hadn't formed theories or taken sides before I knew more.
I agree with Loreen who says that we need to find other more constructive ways to channel our frustration. This is a community, a hub, a source of energy. Music is created and it creates happiness. Shall we boycotting a hub of love and creativity to make a stand? To silence sound and music which is the only language we have in common?
This should be a free zone among all the misery with one purpose, to unify by music! 🎶🌹 If a person is here to direct their anger at a country and at a 20 year old singer, maybe they shouldn't attend?
Sorry again for the VERY LONG comment! All the best! 🌷✌️
where can I sign it? Thank you for such message, it should reach many! 🙏
@@JanBors 😊 You are very welcome! ❤️🌼
You're doing the exact same thing the israeli delegation did. Targetted harrassment.
So basically you dont know what harrassement means
@@JanBors It's so funny the people who obsessively call out aggressively and often harass anyone who slightly disagrees with them, including here, think presenting an opinion response on a monologue of another TH-camr is "harassment"...
Mosab Hassan Yousef- Son of Hamas - look it up
Thank you again, love from IL
3:25 - The phrase "From the river to the sea" originated from the Likud. Israeli politicians have used this phrase to insist that self-determination in Palestine is exclusive to Jewish people. That sounds like extermination, and their actions are consistent with that thinking.
4:10 - Human rights are not revokable if a person comes from a culture that doesn't have the same acceptance and protection of LGBTQ people as western countries. Queer folks defending Palestinians is not a matter of ignorance to the queer struggle in Middle Eastern countries. Human rights are for all people, not just the people whose politics we agree with.
5:59 - Israel didn't pull out of Eurovision because it was a goal of their government to use Eurovision to reflect European support of Israel. They funded voting campaigns to astroturf the results to further that narrative. It was propaganda, and the EBU allowed it despite warnings that they would compromise the integrity of the contest.
6:51 - Genocide doesn't have a death toll threshold. You can argue all you want about whether or not the violent killings of Palestinians constitutes genocide, but you can't ignore that...
1. Israel is currently facing charges of this, and the ICJ has deemed it plausible. They've also issued at least three additional rulings since then that Israel has defied.
2. Not calling it genocide doesn't make it right, and justice must be enacted on those who are committing this violence irrespective of the final ruling.
7:14 - How do you recommend people go about protesting a government if their protests will always be perceived as Anti-Jewish hate?
9:10 - Indeed, fans SHOULD have been vocal when it was Russia and Azerbaijan's atrocities in question. They weren't because they have been fed a lie about Eurovision being "non-political" and the blame is always put on the people speaking up.
10:35 - The only video evidence we see of delegations being recorded without their consent came from Israeli members recording others. It might not be truly appauling behaviour, but it raises a big question about their intentions as well as their conduct.
perfect, almost 10/10 disinformation chart hit.
I will answer only the ones which are legit.
Protesting - idk, maybe protest against the goverment and not the artists and teams at Eurovision? Dont use death treats etc? I would start with this.
Dont apologize fans for not being vocals, now jews no news, I am telling you this is only a reason as its absolutely tolerated any hate speech against israel, jews and their communities. You did not protest against other countries (and also many other more) just cuz you dont care about them.
Actually the boycotting paper, many interviews with artists about israel, many political attempts on the contest and also this crazy press conference was an amazing evidence. F.e. I saw only one video from delegation of Israel member which I would find innapropriate and also shoudl be punished.
So I understand that there is this double standard as anti-israel have a right to do whatever, and israelis are blamed for everything. Even for their government which they are protesting against...
Bye
@@JanBors Allow me to show my work then...
The Original Likud Charter 1977, from the Jewish Virtual Library
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
Re: state funded voting campaigns...
From Ynet
“the support Golan received from the European audience was preceded by a campaign by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the government publicity bureau for Eurovision fans, in which the Israeli representative addressed them in French, Italian, Spanish, German, Czech, Latvian, Estonian, Albanian, Georgian and English - and asked them to vote for her.”
“the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Advertising Bureau put emphasis on Eurovision-loving audiences such as the LGBT community in Europe, members of fan clubs, journalists covering the contest and opinion leaders in the field.”
The government spent taxpayer money on securing a good Eurovision result to push a narrative. That is propaganda. It also means that the "broadcasters not governments" justification from the EBU means nothing since the governments finance and clearly have an interest in boosting their image through Eurovision.
"Political attempts" are not hatred or anti-semitism. A keffiyeh, a watermelon, or a call for a ceasefire are also not hatred or anti-semitism. They do not express any danger, and assuming that they do is specious reasoning. Ceasefire means a stop to violence on all sides.
People ARE protesting against the government. Quite heavily. Given the astroturfing campaign, protesting Israel's presence at Eurovision was absolutely fair game.
With regards to the conduct of the delegations, I was not a fan of how Marina Satti acted during the press conference. But as mean-spirited as that was, it was not a direct confrontation, like that of the Israeli member baiting the Dutch team who were in a uniquely distressing situation.
My boycott this year included Azerbaijan along with Israel and it will continue as long as needed. I told you this already. Their exploitative tactics at Eurovision are well documented and will not end unless people speak up.
It is deeply disappointing that you dismissed me as a spreader of disinformation, simply because I've presented you with information that challenges you. If you are really a journalist, as you once described yourself, you can do much better than this.
@@stu_makes_vids en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea firstly, than also the context. Pls.
Again, you share point of view supporting hate. You can boycott whatever you want, thats your right. But boycotting and booing, boycotting and disrespecting are two different things.
Many have violated Eurovision principles and still trying to apologise it. But still no one who did it found a way how to apologise it. As its impossible. Your argumentation is again foul one. Thats why I byed you, and doing it again, as you for the second time did not bring a valid argumentation. Thats it. Hard to apologise a terrible behaviours.
one more thing - this voting support by Israel. Many other countries are doing this (f.e. Latvia) and they did it even before. This is not against rules or ethics of the show. Its part of it. So this has absolutely zero validation to boo an artist or misbehave against the delegation. Actually we should prise every country which supports their artist at Eurovision and making adds for it.
Also in here most people send voted cuz of the antisemitic news comming for eurovision. And you can tell whatever you want but thats how it is perceived here - this press conference went all the news and people even my friends voted Israel without even watching the show. Principle vote. Why? Cuz of how you behaved.
@@JanBors The first few lines of the History section of the Wikipedia article you shared tie the phrase to Zionism. It also cites the exact section of the charter that I shared as an early written example of the phrase.
So you agree then? Claiming "From the river to the sea" to be inherently anti-Jewish is false.
Thanks Jan. Finally someone said it.
Llevo años en cada Eurovision oyendo a los influencers eurovisivos, mucho antes de este 2024, comentando con sorna o entredientes acerca de las participaciones de Israel, lo que pasa es que no era politicamente correcto declararse antiisrarli
o antisemita.Este año se han quitado las caretas , i ncluyendo a los Lets do it, que se han dedicado a echar leña al fuego. Pero no hay nada mas socorrido que el tiempo y el Karma existe. Buena suerte Europa.
Exactly this. Now actually its marketingly wise to go with this extreme stream as it is also kinda woke. It has two very dangerous issues in it, maybe three:
1. hard to step back from this path, as I can see arguments dont work on this people, so would be hard for them to admit they were wrong
2. Gives more clarity for right-wing extremists - peopme are sick of this antisemitism, violent protests and diversity combined and right wing will listen tk this calling. Means, racio will go to hell and only hate from every side will come.
3. More violence, more division, more extreme measures. Just because some crazy trend and because we did not say stop sooner.
I just dont get how this can be such a mainstream without a real punishment. Second day in a row I am reading just hateful comments, even more disinformation and reality shaping, bullying. And people are cheering for it. Like its a normal thing to do.
Very very sad.
@@JanBors Europa va camino a su destrucción y no quieren darse cuenta .Es un suicidio al parecer programado .Empezando por los LGBT , que defienden a los que nunca los aceptarán. Surrealista
Thank you 🙏 this means the world to us ❤
Totalmente 🙏✡️🇮🇱🎗💙🤍🫂
How can you spread so much lies and use gabe's video to falsely accuse him of fake speech.
And on top of that, implying that Jewish people didn't stand for themselves?!
Reported. Never upload again.
What are the lies he said? You comment now just proves everything he said is true
I am going for popcorn
@@shakitz1 FWIW, I actually agree that the comment about Jews not defending themselves was an oversimplification. Historically, there were quite a few resistance efforts. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is the most well known one, but there were others as well.
6:30-6:50 "Jews in Europe let everything what happened to them, they basically said 'Okay, we will stand those things, we will stand everything, we will let everything', until somebody said, 'Okay, they are pulling themselves so back that we can actually throw them into ovens'".
I think this an obviously cruel and monstrous thing to say. And to claim beforehand that this is you helping people to "learn something about the Holocaust"? What unpleasant victim-blaming. Did people not suffer enough that you need to disgrace their memory? The myth (MYTH) that Jews went passively and silently is horrific. I suggest anyone reading this to go away and read about the perspectives of people after the Holocaust about this "sheep to the slaughter" idea. In Israel, you had textbooks write of "the humiliating surrender that led to the death camps", and survivors pretend to be native Israelis in order to avoid the societal prejudice against them. It is suggested that this perspective was particularly enforced in Israel, partly because of the importance to the state at that time of active armed conflict/resistance/attack.
To quote Yehuda Bauer, talking about those who smear in this way those who died - "those who use it are identifying, even unconsciously, with the killers".
I think you should not believe in flat earth... so as you should learn to listen
@@JanBors I wrote my comment genuinely, as I was taken aback by what you said. I feel like I did listen carefully. I went through that section several times, and after reading your comment went through it again. Are you saying in your comparison to flat-Earth that you think my saying that Jews did not passively create the conditions of the Holocaust is tantamount to believing the Earth is flat? In giving the benefit of the doubt, I hope that's not what you mean.
Seriously, if I have completely misunderstood something, if there is something obvious in my comment that shows I haven't learnt to listen, I would appreciate your correcting me. My comment was to correct what I saw as a misrepresentation. I see in your videos that correcting misrepresentations of others is important to you, and important as to why you produce videos. I hope that you can believe me honest in actually wanting to understand.
I think Jan was referring to a sect of Jews like the Bundists (google it). If you were actually informed on Jewish history in Europe pre-WW2, you'd know that, but you are just using fake rage-harvesting with an intentionally distorted version of what was actually said and meant. I'm a Jewish son of holocaust survivors. I find your weaponisation of my family's pain to score points and discredit Jan - a rare ally of us Jews in the Eurovision sphere - the only problematic thing here.
thank you!
Thank you so so much for this!
It mean so much to me that there are sane voices like yours, in a reality where hatred of Israelis and Jews is the strongest trend, and once again the Jews are blamed for all the bad things that happen in the world.
Lot's of love from Israel 🫶
STOP POLITICISING THE COMPETITION!!! Many of the countries in Eurovision have had frosty relations with one another for years without descending into the madness. The entire Ireland/Northern Ireland troubles took place during the time the competition was taking place and there was never any abuse towards the British entrants. People knew how to be professional back then and that performers are not politicians. Cultural exclusion of Israel is antisemitic. If you don't agree, boycott the competition, don't ruin it for the rest of us and don't force your opinion on us because the competition worked well for 67 years before these people ruined it.
Eurovision is organised by public broadcasters who have duty towards the public meaning all of us. You saying "if you dont agree, boycott" is out of order. We have the right to decide about our contest. You should watch the NZZ video on Eurovision being inherently political. Including Israel IS ALSO political but the other way. Everything we do is an ideological statement.
that is exactly not what Jonathan said...
Jan- as a Jewish person, this video of yours really really alarmed me. Your comments about ovens were outrageous and insensitive. I am so disappointed in you. I always enjoyed watching your eurovision content, but you crossed the line with these comments. Your words are unacceptable and I hope with time you will realise this.
I am sorry if I hit you with something can you tell what triggered you? That I talk about when people are silent when it can lead? As it lead there in history? We tolerate behaviours which we should not. Sorry you dont agree, at least you wrote with an argument which I can take.
Many more Jews like me, as you've seen here in all the comments, found nothing wrong in this video and understood precisely what you meant - speaking about the majority of non-Jews who sat silent and did nothing while the Jews were oppressed more and more. I think very few real Jews would deliberately misinterpret what you've said - and I always suspect fraud from people who start by "as a Jew.." and then parrot apologisism for antisemites. Even in Europe in the 20s and 30s, there was a small minority of far-left secular Jews - the Bundists - that rejected Zionism and thought an alliance with non-Jewish socialists would save them from oppression. Almost all of those died in the Holocaust if they hadn't managed to escape to the West, and their beloved USSR persecuted Jews well into the 1990s - like Eden Golan's parents, born in Ukraine (her mother) and Lithuania (father), before all moving to Israel.
Thank you for always being objective 🫶
It’s funny how the guy in the beginning really bealieves that esc is safed from Israel, while the ESC is actually put in danger of their protests. Israeli delegation was in danger from the rage they were spreading on socials, which means all esc was in danger from their propaganda, not Israelis.
*deletes every critical comment under the video*
"Omg thanks for being so objective 😊😊"
Beyond satire
Idk anything about Jan deleting comments, but many of my comments never appeared, yt censores political comments a lot.
actually I am not deleting anything, unless I wrote before it will be deleted for violance call or open racism. (I deleted like 3 comments in past 4 years so far)
@@xSimonTan it’s ytbe deleting comments bro, has happened to me on many channels 🥹
Thank you for spread the truth. We appreciated you 🙏 ❤
Jan, now I'm not the biggest fan of Gabe but I had watched video in it's entirety before this & you have completely misrepresented it with your clip. He put the blame on the EBU, which is correct. Everyone in the contest should be held to the same standard & they weren't. One got special treatment so of course it kicked off.
Also it is not anti-semetic to disagree with Israel or what they are doing.
He doesn't care. He is so uncomfortable with people criticizing Israel that he will go as far as falsely accusing fellow content creators as "anti-semitic". If he were taking this seriously then he'd respond to fair criticism like this in an objective manner. But his goal is not to be objective. He wants to slander people who don't like this country and their actions.
THe video was very well made with a simple case - if israel is not there, it would be ok, thats a mistake of EBU who allowed them then bulling others... and this narrative is simply not true as it forgot to tell, that police there was because of people are hateful, its because they needed to protect Israelis and others againts - ha, not Israelis. But its easier to blame them for everything.
It forgot the isolation. Insults from artists and fanbase. Constantly using fake news and disinformation. Talking about stuff which ruined it /wtf is still about this antibooing system/ and also implies of cheating cuz of ads... this is just one big shameful video.
The Televote spoke for the final ... Eden would of never competed if there was not security for her and all the delegations... Nothing happened... People need to move on ... I can't imagine any other country hosting will go through this again especially Switzerland...
security is always high, this year was probably way higher for the risk of some terrorist attack. For sure still not higher than in Kyiv in 2017, where everyone was affraid of Russian possible attack. Anyway, being afraid of terrorism in Malmo was obvious, after the hate was fed. You never know which maniac will do something supported by such crowds
Lmfao the televote was like that bc the Israeli government broke the rules and paid ppl to vote using US tax money. Are you dumb?
Security measures, snipers, police from other countries, etc. would be exactly the same if Israel did not participate. After what has been happening in Europe in recent months, after the terrorist attack in Moscow, no one would risk loosening security measures. And Eden was probably protected mainly by Israeli services.
Nothing happened.....except all the other delegates being treated poorly by Israel.
@@SteCarey lol
Deleting comments like a loser. Just like the anti-booing technology from the EBU 😮💨
Someone who is hateful- is the loser. Go be a loser somewhere else.
He's trying to project his own reality where criticism of Israel doesn't exist, and then claim that we're the """loud minority"""
I see the bullying brigade can't have any dissent and difference of opinion, even from a small account in a corner of the internet. So we will now see the comment section get full of childish insults, bizarre accusations and other far-left "struggle sessions" tactics. You are all such a burden on most of society - see the public vote for the actual sentiment of the silent majority - a burden to roll our eyes and try to ignore the profanity, disrespect and regurgitation of shallow soundbites and disinformation. Sigh.
@@swguyp28 So many words and so little said. You are not writing a college essay.
If you're going to dismiss any criticism of this video as """bullying""" and advocate for their deletion then you are not in the position to whine about "actual sentiment of the public". Neither can you whine about "disrespect and """shallow soundbites""" while insulting people you disagree with as "a burden on society"
(Also that bit about "the public vote" as a means of meassuring public sentiment is beyond stupid. You cannot vote against a song. Also, Israel didn't even win the public vote even though pro-Palestinians votes where spread across 24 different songs. You are embarrassing yourself)
@@xSimonTan That sounds like projection, but sure, you do you.
P.S. You liked my words and style enough to copy them, word for word, in another comment, as they were your own😘
Thank you Jan! We appreciate you and love you 😘🇮🇱
You are so welcome
Thanks for that my friend ❤❤❤
Muchas gracias por todo! La verdad, la luz 💫 y el amor 💖 siempre ganan el odio, la oscuridad y las mentiras
❤🤍✡️💙🇮🇱🎗⭐️✝️
You are right! I cannot agree more that Israel should be banned from eurovision. ❤️
This is exactly the opposite of what he said!
EXACTLY. HATRED IS NOT LOVE.
Thank you again for this video! Many many fans and fan press people will speak up on this matter because they swim with the stream, they just talk about what they heard from the majority, about what is trending right now. And it was trendy to hate on Israel. They all hopped on the Anti-Israel-Train. Some artists started spreading the narrative why it is bad that Israel participated and then the first media went like "Oh, we won’t cover Israel this year“ and then all other fan press followed them blindly, because they saw they could gather new fans and generate new likes. They just write what people want to hear. It’s so dangerous because fans trust them. They spread the hate. Without reflecting the just took the opinion from artists like Bambie Thug and agreed. That is dangerous! These people must be kept from publish such antisemitism!
🙏🇮🇱👏 By the way - Bambi was written by a zionist Jewish author 😀 🤣✡️ the irony.. we can't make this $hit up!!
Felix Salten- look it up ✡️🇮🇱🍉🙏✍️🌟
Love you from Israel 🤍💙
love you from Czechia
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱💙💙🤍🤍
Stop deleting comments lil bro
It is impossible for TH-camrs to delete comments, smart one.
I think I actually can do it but probably youtube has some algorithm for political or hate speech
You are the best !!! Thank you so much for your support 🙏 ❤️ 🇮🇱✡️🎗
I can see you are holding back some tears. What is weird for me is that I have just watched the ESC Gabe video and I sensed his poilitical side and his intensity about blaming the EBU. He has another video from 3 to 4 months ago about the politics of Israel and Azerbaijan in ESC.
I try to keep an open mind and listen to all points of view ,but yours keeps the song contest as a song contest, not a political platform. Before I watched the final, I watched again the 1970 and the 1985 editions to calm my nerves and reminisce of the good old days of the contest (when everything was live!!!!!) Things were so simple then!
Peace and love to you Jan!!!
Thank you 🙏❤️
Every word is true. Every word!!
You may be 100% against bullying and harassment, but you are also 100% for Israel in every way. Given the current political climate and what the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians, I really wonder if you are weak enough to support a country even when it is clearly doing something wrong. It's not that hard to be 100% objective and understand both sides while resisting hate. What the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians is terrible. There are numerous reports, videos and sources that go even deeper into the matter, and yet you deny everything. I think the denial really makes you look like a bad person. I actually thought you would be fair and denounce people for hating innocent people like Eden, but now I realize you go even further and defend all the atrocities committed by the Israeli government. Real advice: try to be fair. And this? This ain’t being fair. This is being a terrible human being hiding behind the truth the whole world already knows about.
how does this connected to Eden Golan, or Eurovision itself? Also you are talking about current government or the previsous ones? You know people protest an mass there againts the gov and a prime minister? ... now what each side is doing to each in general, especially in extremes, which are very different for Gaza and West Bank. They are basically like two very different Palestines if you agree that its somehow a double state. For native israleis palestinians / arabs nothing changed. Over there is democracy. So I rly dont get your comment. Or you maybr did not get what I was talking about in the video. Or maybe you did and this is just perfect example on why.
@@JanBors Here are a few points that I'd like to reiterate:
1. The Israeli government is CURRENTLY committing atrocities against the Palestinian population. So we're talking about the current government. It doesn't matter which side, which country, which city these people come from or anything else. Atrocities are atrocities. Listen to the voice of reason, if you still have any.
2. Eden is an Israeli artist who publicly and privately supports what her government is doing to innocent people. Although she doesn't deserve hate, I can logically deduce why the hate is directed at her. Having an opinion as an artist or viewer is different. But you can't think she's a special flower that needs to be left alone. She has an opinion. She's her own person. If you get involved in politics, you get what you get. The same goes for any other would-be politician. Politics is a sensitive subject. Supporting what your government does isn't the best way to do it, and that is a fact.
Stop wasting your thoughts on nothing. Be against hatred, regardless of who is involved. Don't be prejudiced. You are a grown man. Neither side is perfect and neither side is 100% right, but you're still in passive denial about what the Israeli government is doing to innocent people. Take a REALLY GOOD look in the mirror and ask yourself if your heart feels it's right to do so. That's all I have to say.
Im soooo happy to see people in Europe can talk like this, know and understand the truth and dont eat all the bullshit of hate and hidden antisemitism. Thank you jan❤
Your post is very ignorant. Please learn what Israel does in Palestine. The fact that I am gay doesn’t mean I will condone massacres of people who don’t like me.
I think you should learn it, first. Second of all, what Eden Golan has to do with it? Rly this was necessary?
I am afraid you are coming over as an Israel apologist that is shameful of you. Where is your moral compass? You cannot argue Israel brought nothing to the contest except disputeand division. Their performance was one of the weakest (Vocally flawed as so many vocal coaches have pointed out and a dreary lifeless staging) and it would have been better if they stayed at home. Frankly I would ban Israel for good after the many complaints about the behavior of the Israeli Delegation. Israeli is always playing the victim it has to stop now and I glad the ICC has laid charges against Netanyahu.
I needed to take a screenshot of this.
Thank you
But we are also strong and beautiful ❤ and our love and light 🌟 will win their hatred 🐉🇮🇱🎗
60% dislikes already for those of you who use the official TH-cam apps. Expect this comment to be deleted in the morning
You don't fool anyone.
OK, anti-semite.
Perhaps we've all had enough of Eurovision. It's a huge waste of money that most national broadcasters desperately need to keep the lights on. Revenue from TV commercials isn't what it used to be. I don't understand why songs require expensive staging and the massive amount of electricity needed. It makes the experience of watching it exhausting. Is anyone else tired of over staging, too much production, too much lighting, too much noise and politics.
I dont agree, those things cost money but also has some prestige. After all show without exposure would not have scandals worth mentioning. Thanks god for Eurovision, also because of this we can talk about such important topics.
In this hard and dark time- you are light ☀️🌟
Maroccanoil's contract is finished so EBU can refuse Israel next year.
or prolong, who knows how many other offers there will be or if they can be better then MO... or maybe MO would not like to continue
It's cute how you are all so adorably clueless about how the business world works to think this matters or is the reason behind things. Even your conspiracy theories are juvenile:)
@@JanBors Maybe Qatar can step in instead, or give more power to China's TikTok (sarcasm, as these days people are that ridiculous in real life, satire is no longer possible).
you never know with EBU 😂
Im happy that they fired you:)💙
Thank god no one asked for your opinion :)
@@shakitz1 Thank god no one forced you to answer
@@shakitz1 You could literally say the same about your own comment, let alone this video
You know that every time you comment, you promote this video up the algorithm on people's feeds, right? Carry on, comrade.
@@swguyp28 i reported this video 5 times so i dont think 1 view will matter at all
As always- Am Israel Chai and Shabat shalom my friend 🫂🤍🌺
If your opinion is so ill-informed, why do you feel the need to share it?
Because he has huge ego and wants his small channel to grow. Too bad he's too arrogant to be popular :D
hmm, tell me more about those ill informations, arguments pls
@@JanBors You don't even bothered to watch backstage videos with your favourite team behaving badly.
OK, anti-semite.
I do know the history and Jan you are talking out of your arse.
There is no one truth, though you are definitely not the only one who knows history.
so I am right then
@@TalEurovision There are many sides to truth and I've studied it from many angles - not just one. I won't convince you so byeee.
Thank you so much.
Not wanting a country currently committing a genocide to enter a SONG CONTEST is not hate speech.
and which country is it? Tell me
You mean The Genocide made by Hamas isis to Isralis??
@@JanBorsIgonore him, just another ignorant!
Te deseo salud mental y pensamiento crítico 💙 ✡️ AM ISRAEL CHAI 🇮🇱 🙏🎗🤍
War is not genocide.
And let me tell you- as an Israeli Jewish woman- this weird man those not represent the Israeli or Jewish people 🔯🇮🇱✡️🫂💙🙏✡️💙🙏🇮🇱🤍💙🤍🔯
My grandmother is a holocaust survivar from Hungary. And we are living very dark and sad time.. history is starting to repeat itself and we are scared. 🇮🇱🙏✡️🎗
I’m truly sorry that you feel this way. Please know there’s a lot of us who don’t support the views of the loud minority 🤗
But still, your country is doing the same to Palestine 👀
Let's not use the most horrific even in human history as a way to shame people who are rightfully critical of Israel and zionism.
Let's not use the most horrific event in human history as a way to shame people who rightfully criticize Israel and zionism.
@@ireskin485 educate yourself. There’s nothing in the actions of Israel to suggest that they want to kill all of the Palestinians. On the other hand, that’s exactly what Hamas wants to do with Jews in Israel
Thanks for your words!❤
Hi Jan, just curious here, are you a Jewish?? I agree with everything you are saying, while I have my thought about the conflict that is happening at Gaza at the present and I believe no one sided is coming across glorious, Eurovision is an opportunity to stop the madness for a week and enjoy the spectacle, an example I’m a Real Madrid fan and I watched a video of our last victory in the champion league were a large group of Palestine people were reunited in a club in Gaza enjoying the game and the victory, what I mean with this is that, life is already very hard, let us enjoy these moments, where we can pause and enjoy the moment
I am not a jewish, but that does not really matter :) Thanks for a nice story sharing! btw I am also RM fan :)
@@JanBors the only thing that is saving my post Eurovision depression is knowing that Real Madrid is playing another champion league final in 2 weeks time 😆
May the Creator of the world protect you and give you strength for all your statements for Israel, it is not easy to be a thinking person who really sees what is right, Israel is not perfect, but the way we are presented, it is simply a shame, thank you very much for being a voice of truth in a sea of lies❤❤❤
I just simply hate bullying
This hurricane 🌀 🇮🇱 🫂 💙
i stood in my room and saluted you. 🫡 Thank you for boldly expressing a voice of sanity. Much appreciated from us in Israel 🇮🇱 ❤️
Israel got top public points from ALL Nordic countries (me included), even when our governments are heavily Palestine-leaning. We, the people, see your pain.
thank you. Imo if we stay silent, than worse times are coming and not even extreme left will kill the context from inside, but extreme right will cancel participations because of extreme left... and not even talking about society split
Hating on a Jewish man, who is articulate enough to say that that Israel does not speak in his name is shameful. Your comments only cause to create further division, The EBU had every opportunity to prevent this crisis but failed.
He's responding to a creator who went on a wild, endless rant of demonisation, targeting a contestant who needed heavy security from death threats, and he's fueling the hate further. Gabe is an agitator. Also, his views on Israel are representative of a tiny fringe minority of the Jewish population. More ironically, he has been radicalised only very late for the pro-palis that now fawn over him. Look into his history, and you'll discover he was an ardent centrist Zionist just a couple of years ago - like 95+% of us Jews.
The issue is, that if in core fan base the argumentation goes the way Gabe and others do, the project is in danger. Not because there is a censorship or hate, those are emotional things. But because there are spreading missinformations, disinformations and wrong context stuff mixed together, which is absolutely easy to be found. But when it is debunked, it is spread again by the same people. Than this can lead in very specific bubble of people, who might be after all a danger for the name of the project. Something like football hardcore fans, who dont even go to football to watch it, but to fight on the stadium. This is very this lead, and guess what. Reality will be, that Eurovision producers, not just EBU, will put this group of people aside and will give chance to new ones. Especially after this years Eurovision, where HC fandom alongside with some artists just get the idea Eurovision is there project. But it is not.
@@JanBors Gabe never spread disinformation about his experience in Malmo. Criticizing a government, it's actions, and the repercussions of its actions in NOT hate speech.
However, posting a clip of someone exercising their right to free speech, and then surrounding his image with the words "This is hate speech like in a book" is nothing less than cyber-bullying. There was nothing anti-semitic in Gabe's comments, seriously, he is Jewish himself! You should be really, really ashamed of this video Jan. You have just become one of the toxic people you claim to despise.
@@thingybob4375@thingybob4375 But Gabe did not speak about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza, which has nothing to do with the Israeli artist and the delegation that were bullied, threatened, excluded and then with added textbook gaslighting from the abusers, claiming false BS stories as if they, the bullies and agitators, were the victims of made up Israelis's wrongdoing. Gabe knowingly poured gasoline on this hate fest, throwing in endless amounts of misinformation & disinformation. You seem unable to see this objectively; your confirmation bias has distorted that option for you.
He actually did, when he talked about voting for example and ads made by Israeli's gov. Or the one with the security. You know what disinformation is, right? Its the phenomenon where you put right things in the wrong context, without context or non-existent context, reshaping the reality to your own gain or to hit someone else.
I am not from Israel but I sincerely hope the Israeli Broadcaster makes sure that the EBU never again gives any accreditation to people like Gabe.
I hope that more broadcasters will rise a discussion about where his can lead.
@@JanBors The only discussions that broadcasters are having right now is about the behavior of the Israeli delegation, dubious televote results, the EBU wrongfully blaming their own faults on delegations and artists, the usage of anti-booing, the wrongful disqualification, lack of press freedom, and the delay of Iolanda's performance video. I don't think broadcasters would be interested in raising a discussion about this matter.
@xSimonTan You just noted on one hand a violation that you want the EBU to punish,while at the same time glorifying the exact same thing coming from another delegations!! Who is the hypocrite here??
@@TalEurovision elaborate? I genuinely don’t know what you’re on about
You do realise that Gabe is Jewish, don’t you?
Reported for spewing utter bullshit and making false allegations 👍🏻
oh, who did I alledged?
@@JanBorsare you braindead? You literally put a face of another creator and wrote this is hate speech over it
Thank you thank you thank you
thank you❤
Yeah, no. I will never watch your videos again. The other comments explained why.
He’s truly a vile human being. Despicable.
I stopped watching Gabe’s videos (and of his friends) after the first video in which they spitted hate on Israel. I know it’s not much, but my decision this year was not to support creators who show antisemitism with my views and likes
It's not antisemitism. We just don't support genocide by this current awful governent of Israel. Open your eyes!
not many left probably
Please explain how critizising a government is antisemitic.
@@sunniva3252 attacking a singer at Eurovision doesn’t equal criticising the government. And it is antisemitism. That’s what it is when you collectively blame all Jews for whatever you believe that Israel is doing wrong. But at the same time you excuse Palestinians for what had been done on October 7.
@@Ardnasper but who in the eurovision creator/fan community is blaming all jews? Certainly not Gabe. Everyones blaming the government.
Thank you for calling out @ESC_gabe .
he was unlucky that his video was bombarding me on every platform and I forced myself to watch it all.
@@JanBors He spreaded the “genocide” lie.
You seems to be a nice guy, but you are talking shit when defending Israel! Israeli delegation did so many wrong things, they broke the rules many times and still were in the final!
tell me one example of rule breaking and then tell me one example of rule breaking that made you behave like you do?
You are a liar, the Israeli delegation did nothing wrong! The delegations AND artists of Greece, Ireland and the Netherlands abused Eden, and the rest of the delegations except Austria, Germany and Luxemburg boycotted Eden Golan, stop spreading lies.
Stop pretending that you're concerned about hate. If you were, then you'd be advocating for Israel's exclusion from Eurovision aswell, especially given the behavior of their delegation this year.
this makes no sense what you just wrote
@@JanBors Literally "I can't hear you la la la" behavior. Embarassing.
@@JanBors And if it's just a language barrier issue then you literally have translators to help you
I see you hahaha not much time left for yall hahahaha
Gabe and matt from esc united spreading hate all over the web just watch their video all over
well, I did not know about Gabe...
Si!!!!!! Totalmente ! Son horribles !!! You era súper Fan de Matt de ESCunite y de William de WIWIBLOG..
Horrible Antisemitismo en los dos canales..
💔✡️💙🤍
I disagree with almost everything you said, but I don't feel hate toward you. I feel compasion. I think it must be very harmfull to live with belief that genocide of your people was caused by stepping back. It is untrue, cruel and victim blaming. Person who is fed with such belief can become easy target of nationalistic, chauvinistic and military propaganda. And such belief has nothing to do with true. Violence tells us a lot about aggresor and nothing about victim. If victim try to negotiate or hide is called coward. If victim try to fight back is called provocative. But terrifing true is that every human being can be victim, no matter what they do. I would love to recommend you "Shielding the flame" by Hana Krall Polish-Jewish reporter - it is about Marek Edelman, one of leader of Uprising in Warsaw Ghetto and heart surgeon. Just read it... and think. PS: I don't know much about politics but I think that what is happening in Gaza now - you can call it as you wish - must be stopped.
How do you get this is was the meaning? This is historical true - jews were bullied troughout the history and again started slowly in 1920s and continuing in 1930s without any fight back. Slowly and slowly that led only to bigger bullying, cancelations, murders and after all holocaust. Thats why there exist Never Again. Because there is a fight back now and never step back as those little steps led to this. Not because jews made it happen ofc, how you can even implx this? Wtf