Everyone should be ashamed of the ignoring and booing of eden/ Israel this year, this is a competition between broadcasters and not a governments. Eden golan a 20-year-old girl has been bullied from the fans,other artist, media Real shame on everyone
She will be a part of the IDF, shooting innocent children and using them as human shields(Which is documented unlike isr@els claims which are baseless) her willingly going back and supporting the war publicly makes her just as guilty. We as jews all have a responsibility to raise awareness, our troubled past is being used as an excuse to allow a few currupt politicians to corrupt a nation and paint an ethnicity as evil. People like this TH-cam, are part of the problem. We as Jews are better people!
@@MultiSky7 Exactly, but careful, either TH-cam censors or this channels deletes. Because we've suffered, our religion is now apparently an excuse to inflict the exact same kind of suffering onto innocents which had nothing to do with our suffering. If you say otherwise, apparently you're anti-semetic. I will repeat what I said earlier, Jan Bors is part of the problem.
There whole Israeli delegation were pestering and pranking all the other contestants and filming their reactions and posting them online, including the production staff. They knew exactly what they were doing including having divisive lyrics. So if you want to bury you head in the sand that she's a 20 year old then carry on! The real shame is on you
And ur presence ruined it for the rest of us. We know what's happening in ga_za and w3st bank - for 75 years now. Thankfully, people are finally waking up. No more has bara.
They were stuid brainless creatures not knowing the whole complex history and Story of Israel. Eden Golan and her dancers brought light into this world with her wonderful performance and Song.
Thank you! And a special thank you for the facts why Israel and Russia are not comparable in this case, thank you so much for that! The comments "why Russia is excluded and not Israel" make me sick as well. It feels to me that especially younger folks in western European countries are either remarkably naive or just plain stupid about this topic.
I think, the answer is: remarkably naive - I understand why they want to be "on the right side", the side of the "oppressed"; but Israel is not a colonial power, and the history of this conflict is more complicated. So naive, yes.
@@tillypattiasina9206 LMGTFY🤦♂️ - Eden Golan was born in Kfar Saba, Israel. Her father Eddie is Jewish-Latvian by origin, while her mother Olga is Jewish-Ukrainian. 🙏
Aden Golan was abused by the other Eurovision participants, she was ignored, she was boycotted, and then the audience booed, well done, she stood tall and represented Israel with dignity, despite everything that happened around her, this is the winner for me❤
This happen to Tolmachevy sisters as well, they cried. This happen to Polina Gagarina also, she cried live in the show. This happen to Russian representatives for years, they were humiliated, booed and ignored year after year BEFORE war even started in Ukraine. But somehow I cant help the feeling that nobody cared. it was brushed off and people and EBU didnt care bcs it’s Russia. I bet you Europeans will treat Israel the same way they did Russia in years to come, it wont stop with Eden unfortunately. And it’s up to Israel if they want to put themselves and their contestants through that every year
Sadly, this was the first time I ever watched Eurovision & was shocked by all the hatred directed toward the young Israeli singer. I thought this international song contest was supposed to be an event that was "United By Music," not by hate. I never want to watch such a hate-fest like this again! Thank you for your thoughtful & very well presented podcast which was based on facts, not misinformation. Subscribed
@sanoush100 I’ve been watching Eurovision since 1982. It pains me to think n that this Eurovision with all the hatred that was shown is the one you experienced. I’m praying that things will improve.
It's great to finally see someone having a coherent and informed conversation about the subject. People should educate themselves instead of allowing themselves to be brainwashed and misinformed by propaganda and social media. The last time an extremist anti-Jewish movement started in Europe, we all know what happened.
it feels like growing and tiktok generation kicks in without facts, which is even more disturbing from the side of fan media and youtubers. For artists, this is absolute shame.
Thank you so much for this super important video, you are just one of a kind 💙 I'm a bit older, I have kids, my grandparents were Holocaust survivors. What went on in this year’s competition was blunt unashamed hate of Jews covered in a modern trendy stylish way, pointing out the ignorance of people that get their news updates from Tiktok. History is repeating itself and I needed to remind myself that this is 2024 and not 1939. And yes, I’m very serious about this. All kinds of people allowing themselves to behave like bullies, aggressively, or passive aggressively - finding any reason to blame Israeli Jews for just about anything, in the hardest times we’ve ever experienced as a nation since the Holocaust (back then we didn't have a country). They are not "freedom fighters", they have no clue about the history, the conflict. It has nothing to do with them or who they try to "represent", just pure obsessive empty sayings to get trendy attention. I have a lot more to say, but I'll stop here, it breaks my heart. (And just so everyone knows - the Israeli delegation wasn’t around anyone 99% of the time, they were guarded and protected). God bless you Jan Bors for this video, maybe there is still hope.
I am exactly that alerted as you are. I would also say that most of Europe, or majority. We just must not be affraid to be a bit louder. Cuz those punks are starting to be really dangerous. Now its Jews, next time its anyone else. Doesn't matter.
Holocaust survivors of the camps deployed the very same tactics nazi German guards did to the Palestinians for 76 years. Terrorise and destroy the very livelihoods of the Palestinians. THE VERY 1ST idf soldiers were the 'kapo's' of the camps in Poland! They should of stayed in Europe and NOT STOLEN OTHER PEOPLES LAND AND HOMES. We would not have such problems ever since!
@gilview4639 My mother was a holocaust survivor and most of my family on both sides perished in the war. What you said resonates with me. Never have I felt so traumatized and anxious like I have been feeling in the last 6-7 months. I am a big Eurovision fan and what used to be a super fun experience of watching videos and trying to predict and getting into discussions with people became a super stressful, hurtful and infuriating experience for me. I don’t understand people who say Israel ruined Eurovision for them. Those people ruined Eurovision for everyone with their hatred. Never again.
This videos people filming themselves feeling so self-righteous to boo gave you an idea how it might have been in Germany in the 1930s. A lecture in history so to say. 1998 Dana International the first transgender artist won for Israel and now to see that comunity turning against Israel was hard. Not an ESC I like to watch. In the end the televotes at least showed that a lot of people didn't agree on that what happened.
The contribution of Israel to the contest is much bigger than people see in the first place. There are TWO great singers in the Eurovision this year. Eden and Tali. And they were Awesome.
Totally agree with everything you said in this video. Would like to add how I personally saw it from my perspective: the artists themselves created this negative energy, disrespecting with weird behaviours, in the end, they couldn't bear it and, of course, blamed it on the Israel delegation *the tension etc. The artists themselves unfortunately encouraged the behaviour of their fans to go crazy in the comments sections, booing during life performances etc. It felt like high school, these influential bullies hooked other school kids to bully and blame everything on one person... There was this one comment from Silvester Belt that he was traumatized after he had to go on stage after an Israeli artist was booed... So now he was traumatised lol what about her... So self-centered unaware of the hate that they spread.
Silvester Belt realy cant take a lose, Eden a 20 years old girl was bood every time she perform on stage and still gave an amazing performance and won 5th place. Silvester one show get a crowd that was bullyin the previews contestant and was hiped a little and than loose miserably and blame the girl that suffer much more than him and still won much better place than him. I swear Eden is much stronger than anybody there, no one there could do was she did.
Thank u for bringing the truth. I always love your thoughts. And didnt talk about the booing on every show when a 20 years old singer was on stage. 0 respect.
Bravo! This is what I’m saying all the time - those are totally different situations, Russia and Belorussia are under economic sanctions which includes being banned from the EBU, Israel is not - simple as that.
Huge huge love from Israel ♥️ Its so sad to see all the hate and fake about us,and your videos from the start gave us a huge warm in our hearts. ❤ The people of Israel love you Jan thank you so much for all what you do for us ❤ in the darkness of boycott, bullying and hateness you are like a great light in the sky. Next time Israel will win we invite you here and we'll host you like the king you are 👑♥️♥️
Part of the problem is that alot of the artist's protests feel like they are booing a rival sports team, rather than creating an environment where nuanced discussions can take place. All it does is increase tensions, and teach people to hate...
and they say that music is not a competition... :) imo artists go with trends. We saw how many artists was giving so much love to Russia even after full invasion... what can you think. Anyway, this is a serious problem in many countries and I hope televisions will stop feeding it
Well said ❤️, I've always told my friends that all 37 songs are winners and it doesn't matter what order they end up in. It's music and it's subjective, and that's why even if I only have one favorite out of the 37, it's still a win and I'm definitely not going to hate the others... just #eurovisionandchill 😅. The same as the Oscars and hate everyone who doesn't win an award. After all, it doesn't make those films any less films than the one that won. 🙏
you nailed the point, this "you provoke me to do this" attitude is the very essence of violence in general and anti-Semitic acts throughout history in particular
Except there is no genocide, I know that using that buzzword is trendy but it means ZERO for what is actually happening. Hamas literally defends the extinction of Jews and Israel has the right to defend itself from barbarian terrorists. War is war and people die as a consequence. It's sad, it's should not happen but it was not Israel who broke the ceasefire on October 7th.
well, if you have a proper arguments, then I would agree, but you dont have arguments, you have emotions as your ideas has no valid ground. Than if you base your hatred on emotions and not facts, that means you have a racism problem. You just hate by principle.
@@FunnyStuffFailsPranks The only fool is you. WAR IS NOT GENOCIDE and it's not Israel who wants the destruction of Gaza, they are defending themselves from radical islamists. It's Hamas and most Palestinians in Gaza who want the genocide of Jews. That's exactly what "From the River to the Sea" means: destruction of Israel.
when will the losers at google decide to censor this video? LOL. In this crazy world, let me thank you for not being crazy. In a non-crazy world, thanks would not be necessary.
I think this year was super tough for everyone. But one thing i'm taking from this year is that it's going to be very tough for Israeli-born musicians in the international scene from now on regardless of their views. This year made me give up on my dream of going big somehow and sharing my work because eventually someone will try to take me down. I'm probably being anxious and illogical but that's just the feeling I get. I also hate how a lot of people on "the israeli side" are using this as a wagon to express pretty heinous islamophobia and homo/transphobia. Like, Israel sent in the first trans winner (we sent Dana twice!). We have our problems, yeah, but the rabid vitriol towards any Israeli and the conspiracies just tainted the whole thing for me. Just reeks of antisemitism. If the Israeli delegation did something wrong, they should be reprimanded as any other would. But losing your cool and treating others like lepers (in front of millions!), not to mention blaming every instance of unprofessional behaviour on a specific group is just a sign that you're difficult to work with. Imagine being a venue owner and wanting to sign on someone now, will you need to scan your planned preformances to make sure nobody will lose their cool if an Israeli is present? I hope we go again next year, because I don't want to let the bullies win. Especially the types that filled the eurovision crowd.
Eden stood there on that stage , surrounded by a sea of wolves with so much grace , so much strenght and she shook those haters off a d gave all she had , i so admire her for that , i am so glad that she got to do both her performances without any stage invaders and she returned home in good health safely , i was really worried about and really scared for her safety , i litterally was praying before the song was on in the semi final and in the grand final as well just to make sure nothing would have happened to her , she did not deserve this hate and negativety but she stood tall and ended up fifth one ranking hire than ireland . so proud of her 🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡
The female dancer looked so happy when they walked down the stage (right side of the screen), happy that despite all the protests and boooing they did a great performance and they completed up to the Gran Final without scary stage invasion or something. Must be really scary because you don't know if some crazy throws something to you one the stage. That girl was very good, very good face expression in the tunnel between live and the heareafter, when she reached for Eden's hand... All dancers and Eden were great. Pure. They looked like angels dancing in the storm.
Thank you very much for this podcast. I was shocked with the bullying that was happening towards Eden within queer community that should better than many others understand how awful it is when you are humiliated on the basis of your identity. This was extremely upsetting.
human nature is interesting that at one occasion if you have an opportunity to become a bully from bullied, you'll give it a try. Shameful it is for adult people. Sad moment for Eurovision but also a reality. We for sure must think what went wrong with those people.
Amen. Here's my issue, regardless of the comparison. The EBU decided Israel would compete. Once that decision was made all media, including fan media that were accredited should have been required to cover all artists. There was a middle ground of requiring everyone to cover all artists and their song and maybe make an exception that if you could edit out any statements that were political from Israel.
I just think the boycott atmosphere in the fandom prior to Eurovision created the environment for Israel to come in and want to act poorly and in the manner they did because they felt no one wanted them there and in some ways they're right. It still doesn't excuse their behavior but I understand it.
So thank goodness a few individuals had their accreditation revoked and sent out of the arena before the finals. So I hope Wxxxbxxxxs also gets some sort of penalization for their bias, and reporting on any possible anti-Israel content. But anyhow, their hatred and bias got even higher after the EBU intervened and their fanbase is also supporting and celebrating it... which scares me, as I guess naively I think they should have self-reflection especially since Eurovision is a source of income for them.
Fair enough but there's no denying that there have been several complaints about Israeli delegation / broadcaster provoking other delegations and Im saying this with no political agenda but just based on the fact that you just dont do certain things. So again the question. What does the EBU so called zero tolerance policy cover? You let one country get away with harassment and you disqualify another entry?
Thank you again:)) As an Israeli - EBU was the one ordering Israel to replace lyrics over and over as they claimed the lyrics were political...and what happened? Israel changed the lyrics and the whole show became political! Including judges from many countries who said it themselves that they did not gove points to Israel because of the situation in Gaza. I don't think i will ever vote again, i don't know if this is worth watching ever again. The contest used to be an entertainment for a whole family to watch and enjoy and it turned into Satanism, bullying, Antisemitism, embracing gender-bender issues and utter sex filth on stage (nudity, UK's entry which looked like a gay act in a public toilet). I have been a fan of Eurovision since early childhood in the early 80's, i am very sad to say but the collapse of Eurovision is pretty much symbolising the collapse of Western Europe.
knock of this satanism, this is just a branding also... it was a show. But as you say, it was a shameful year from many points of view, hard hit blow to the brand
If I may - I think all this political posturing has even hurt the artists themselves. For example, prior to the contest I had warmed up to Bambi Thug and Marina Satti, and even explored some of their discography and videography. Both are insanely creative artists in their own way. But now, after seeing Bambie's obnoxious rants, and Marina yawning and "fake sleeping" her way through Eden's interview, I am finding it hard to divorce my love for their creativity, from the obnoxiousness of their behaviour. Everyone has a right to their political views, but if you want to reach a broad audience, being so outspoken about them may lose you fans (may win you others I guess, but I doubt it - if people don't like your music they won't listen to you just because of shared political views!). On the other hand, kudos to Baby Lasagna, who's song has never been my favourite, but preferred to focus on getting his country a good result than engage in any political posturing. That's some maturity right there.
Hi DS, Yes, Marko, Baby Lasagna was cool and professional. And his song had a good positive vibe❤ But I am surprised you didn't know about Bambie Thug before. On Instagram Bambie Thug posted a picture where BT is doing a hex on the blue 6 point Jewish Star of Israel (I don't know if Ebu had seen this.) The whole song Doomsday blue has a double meaning about destroying 'your favorite color blue' (blue color of Israel), voodooing a blue doll in the video, ' You rather have a star (Star of David) than the moon'. People can say it has no double meaning and it's just about an ex, but you can't say that anymore after seeing the picture when BT is literally doing a hex on the Jewish star.
Marko is a truly beautiful person, on the basis on the available current evidence. Satti .. UGH. Loathsome creature, based on her behaviour in that press conference, and the fact she felt emboldened to do it lands at the feet of those who booed Eden, and the other performers stoking resentment up. UIdoubt Satti would have the courage to act the bully on her own, without a shield of booers and 'everyone hates you'. Thug just seems like one in a long line of naive Irish leftists and a products of the Tik Tok generation who makes her whole personality her politics.
@@yaell120 Ah, the Star of David versus the crescent of Islam. I wonder if that is the true meaning, or a coincidence. Thug would have a bad time in a Muslim state with her dress sense and her gender identity .... of course she probably has convinced herself the exact opposite,
You are so right and it makes me so sad😢 How can many big eurovision lovers follow the trend and ignore Israel this year? It's like a punch in the face to all of us- Israeli eurovision fans. I just miss 2019, when we hosted euroision, I wish we can turn back time❤
Eden Golan and her Dancers were amazing. Loved every second and voted 3 times for her of course. The problems around the existence of Israel are there as long as the Country exists - and long long before Eden was born. The AGAIN and AGAIN discusses 2 State Solution was there at the very beginning - and it was NOT Israel who rejected and dismissed it. Israels Politicians tried a lot of times in the past to get a solution with People like Arafat (who was a big liar and Taqiya Person - even ciminal in my opinion, he died as multi Millionaire)ö. I dont agree with Israels Settlement Policy of the last years. The Eden bashing Singer of Ireland (Bambie Thug) can perform her witch show in Iran - I wish her good Luck. And of course. She should take care.
As I understand it, the difference is quite short and simple - the EBU had problems with the Russian TV but no problems with the Israeli TV. Thats it. Russia is banned from everything, so if they had been allowed in Eurovision it would have been very weird and it wouldn't have worked on many levels. Russian TV probably wouldn't even want to participate, even if the EBU would one day welcome them. According to Turkish media, EBU had also many conflicts with Turkish and Polish TV stations in the past, but Turkey no longer participates and Polish TV they have tried to change. But many artists these days are idiots.🤡 Being anti Israel is like a fashion for them. They probably don't even know who is the president of Israel lol. The representatives of the countries that turned out to be openly anti-Israel this year will be deeply ashamed of this some day. They did not even realize that their behavior only benefits Israel
its a bit more complex but yes, members of EBU had problem in general with Russian and Belarusian media for their absolute breach of rules and have no problem with KAN as it exactly breached zero rules. With Poland there were concern if TVP is still a democratic public media or a propaganda channel... but this was far from concern of any penalties.
Israel sent a very good song from a mature 20 year old who was going to be fed ro the wolves. She prevailed excellently. She prevailed over a hostle environment and I don't mean the protesters but the other participating artists. Try to imagine being isolated from your peers during these 2 weeks. No casual visits, no trips to parks or Tivoli with the others., etc. Just being ignored and met with hatred towards your country in a situation that you have no controll over. What message is being sent to Eden from a petition signed by other participating artists? Another note about Russia and the Paris Olympics; Russia is out for doping not for war. Fascinating fact and irony about Greta Thunberg.. she has gone from saving the planet to pro Gaza. Her mom was the Swedish artist in 2009 ( in Moscow oh my full circle) with the song 'La Voix'.' Separate the song contest from the outside world.
yes, of course incomparable due to many factors but in general yes, both countries were attacked. Israel has power to attack the attacker, Ukraine is defending itself. Both will win!
People always complain about Belarus being disqualified and not Israel. Belarus refused to change the lyrics and its meaning whereas Israel changed the title of the song and its lyrics. Even if it took 8 times, Belarus outright refused.
@@RooiGevaar19 and Belarus did not want to change it. Israel did after asked for changes. Its not even a case. But its a topic, very dangerous one. Imo some people dont understand that next time someone can accused them nonsensualy for something and even its not true, if still repeated, than the damage is done. Thats why is important to stick with the facts and to respect institutions. As if this continue, inquisition like courts will happen and we are all doomed again. Imo the countries with not recent history of f.e. communisms, cannot understand properly. But they should start to learn this.
And this is why I like to follow your videos. You don't say the popular thing. You say what you think! You're right! Israel didn't ruin anything. It's the people who got triggered by their presence that ruined it for themselves and others.
Ok, Jan. I understand why KAN wasn’t expelled from the EBU and why Russia & Belarus were. The question you haven’t answered (which I think is at the heart of the matter) why did KAN/Israel choose to perform at Eurovision this year? Every country has the right to step back in any year from the contest. Many have and many do. I cannot imagine that Israel/KAN were naive enough to think that their participation would stir up strong feelings, so why choose to create such an environment? That’s not to excuse any bad behaviour at all but to highlight what was at the heart of it.
I can't speak for KAN, but as an israeli fan i can say that it was important to feel some semblence of normalcy in these times. Calls for Israel to be boycotted are not new, and were ramped in intensity after Oct. 7th. A lot of us lost family and friends on the initial attack, and letting the same "side" that celebrated our deaths and the events of that day get another "win" by silencing us on the global stage was a no go. I think KAN went about this in a less than ideal way, but that's my take.
@@Boomervision Hey guy. Thanks for your reply and I understand your wish to maintain a semblance of normality under difficult conditions. As someone who is overseas it’s hard to get a true perspective on the tragedies that have happened (and are continuing to happen) in your worlds. This a difficult time and we are a long way from truth telling and reconciliation here. Emotions were always going to be high and taking a stand was a defiant response that was difficult to manage. Had KAN taken a step back for 12 months there would have been fewer tensions and things would not have been so difficult for everyone. I don’t think any parties have come off well in this and the whole thing makes me sad. I hope you feel sad too.
Just my opinion, don't see in KAN's board heads. But I received many messages, had some conversations about this. Question was - Wouldn't it be better if they just don't participate? Answer is - well, probably there will not be drama about it. But than I always ask a follow up question - Wouldn't it be better if they dont participate anywhere? And what if they stop to exist? World without drama? You see how dangerous it might get? So I think this is the reason why they did not step back, because they did step back in the past and almost got wiped-out. Thats where this strength comes from and why it is also reasonable. Whether we like it or not. Also it showed their strength and our weakness - that especially in the left wing where in general most of creatives comes from for some reason - has a huge problem. Antisemitism, open hatred. This what their participation have shown just pointed out we did not learn. That we have a huge fundamental problem in Europe and we don't use facts, but emotions. Which basically implies antisemitism whether you like it or not. As such dramas never was part of any other countries participation. Despite the fact, Israel is not a country started the war. So basically they show us a mirror. We can blame Israel, we can tell that they provoced as the knew what reaction it will come, but did we? We should really be scared now, as racism, xenophobia and antisemitism is here present in Europe, in our precious Eurovision community. And what is even worse - it is highly tolerated.
@@JanBors I’m not sure I agree with your escalation here. In my opinion we often have choices and sometimes it takes ‘a bigger man’ to take a step back. I would have had more respect if KAN had stepped away. The opportunity was there and wasn’t taken. At the end of the day though those choices were made, the event is now over and the review is coming soon. I hope that clear heads and not emotional thinking can prevail and steps can be taken to ensure this doesn’t happen in the future.
you know that by principle this they cannot do, I tried to describe. Being bullied whole history will probably to teach you that each step back you do in important cases, more you'll need to do after. I think it show more accurate that broadcasters are ok with antisemitism, even to have antisemitic artists and those have voice.
Looking at nations who gave points to Israel in the grand final, the only two countries that didn't give any points were Croatia (which is understandable, they knew Israel could win) and Ukraine (they think that Israel stole their exclusive spotlight, and think they're the only country with the exclusive privilege because of the ongoing war). Armenia could be the other country (but was nice enough to give Israel 1 point) since Armenia has a massive grudge against Israel (because they supported Azerbaijan).
yes, basically all those are understandable, the rest had a say. In here for example many people voted even not knowing the song. But media covered the last press conference scandal with Marina Satti and Joost, some comments of Bambie Thug and people were that pissed, that they voted Israel just by a principle. Even Ukraine reached the maximum 12, as also here is a huge diaspora especially now, so this is not a surprise.
I agree that if all the blame would not have been put on Eden, everything whould have gone smooth. But everything is politics. But my question : EBU could have predicted that these political statements and the reply would happen anyway. Was it a better idea not to let Israel compete ? But what with their biggest sponsor Morrocanoil who is an Israeli firm (I heared). And what about Azerbaijan ? What is for sure is that the top of the EBU could not handle the situation and artists started to suffer from it and so the performances suffered too. Everyone started to talk about 'unsafe environments' (unwanted filming.....). What do you think is gonna happen, replacement of the EBU top, countries banned for next year ?
this is a hard one, I can only give you my opinion. I think everyone predicted this situation at some point as we see how Europe is doing nothing against open or hidden anti-semitism. Now, you can tell, that something is a real Israel policy critics, and you are right. The issue it goes and helps propaganda of terrorists, real antisemits and their goals. Also to Russian propaganda, which is a winner of this, comparing Russian departure from EBU to Israel.... anyway. EBU had no valid grounds to ban Israel, unless all the other members want this and vote for it. And the same applies to Azerbaijan. Also both broadcasters (as we are talking of broadcasters, not countries actually when it comes to EBU) don't do unlawful steps, so there is no solid ground to ban. Marroccanoil probably has some leverages also, as any sponsor would do, but this is a pure speculation. But what is a very crazy on this, that artists joined this Eurovision, at least some, to use it as a political platform. They did not even say - Sorry, Eden, its not against you, but your governemt politics... no it was in the way - all of Israel is bad. We just dont want it there. And I am asking what EBU could do. First of all, much better and clear communication on their official channels. Faster and more accurate over years. Imo this year it just escalated. Join more openly with journalists in press centre, maybe even Martin Osterdahl should find a time to do a workshop himself or meet those people personally. Sometimes that rly helps. Idk... lots of works are also on delegations, head of presses and HoD's to de-escalate the situations, as lots of people in press centre are there cuz of them. So partly the blame goes also on delegations. Anyway - I think few people, individuals should receive bans. Lots of countries probably some fines or maybe just ideally go sit together and find a solution together. As this is one side blaming, no one wants to be responsible but after all everyone was feeding this atmosphere. No one stood in front of people, no one from delgations HoDs, no one from SVT or EBU and say - guys, enough is enough. And this is a mistake. As no line was drawn.
KAN is Not to blame, Eden Golan is definitely Not to blame, the country itself is not to blame, but the current Israeli government is to blame for having used the platform that Eurovision is as a propaganda tool. The Israeli minister of foreign affairs admitted today that the government funded a huge campaign to make people vote for Israel in this years contest. That tells everything.
So every single other country promoted their song and artist and hoped to win and host, that’s normal. Israel like the others do it every year, under various governments. This year against the wild bullying and attempts to silence Israel, they made a bit more effort to promote their song, but still not more than other countries. But when Israel/Jews do the same as everyone else, you must assume nefarious things, eh? This is how demonisation works, QED.
they funded ads, they would not be the only ones. Some do it privately, some state helps. After all, Eurovision is a huge advertisement for each country. I would be amazingly happy if Czech government or TV spent money on advertisement of their own artist. This is nothing illegal. And I will tell you one thing - many czech I know who dont know nothing about Eurovision were voting Israel for the principles of behaviours of other artists at Eurovision. Do you know why? Because that was the only thing media in here was talking about. Not songs, not stages, not nothing, just this scandalous anti-semitism at Eurovision.
And as much as you are right, the cynicism in front of the protestors is spot on. But you should know that we are used to such a double standard regarding Israel. We the citizens will continue to stand for love, equality and peace💙🙏🇮🇱
thank you, everything step by step :) I just started properly this year and there are amazing channels about ESC, lets be patient :) but sharing is carring :)
I get that israel wasnt the one that attacked first and what happen on oktober 7th was horrible. Yet continuing because their president wants to extinct the hamas, killing innocent civilians that have nothing to do with them in the process is not much better and thats why people are against it. So I understand why people said they should be blocked from participating this year until things are settled (most of all since ton of palestineans living in sweden), to avoid conflicts and such. Anyway, they decided to let them participate with an awesome young Artist like Eden Golan and a great song, so people should had accepted it. Blaming the whole israel or Eden for that is beyond stupid. They are not attacking anyone, nor do they decide about the doings of their president and his behaviour after all.
so its not a president but prime minister (and the cabinet and also the opposition). Hamas brought war upon the people who they govern in Gaza (not the west bank). War. In war, pitifully the innocent suffer the most. Despite the fact, that Israel is doing maximum to prevent casualties which are the least then in any other war before (in general, not just the region). And I can continue. What do you think - in such situation, in the country where Eurovision is a huge thing - would you not go there? If you can? Ofc you would. Anyway, I think Netanyahu is over and he is surviving, but he is not Israel. He is a black stain on the country's history but this is not a topic now. I am glad what you said - blaming things on an artist, that is beyond stupid. Thank you!
The problem is not Israel, Russia or any country, the problem is EBU and their inconsistency to set the rules and apply them to all EQUALLY! Ukraine 🇺🇦 can sing about wars and send political messages every fooking year, but Israel 🇮🇱 cant? Belarus 🇧🇾 was booted out of Eurovision for FAR LESS then what Israel is doing - breaking international laws and committing war crimes. Where do we draw the line? Belarus out but Israel in? Ukraine is allowed what others are not? Russia 🇷🇺 booed and humiliated for years - nobody cares. Israel participate this year - we use antibooing technology and fake applause and create false narrative… The inconsistency of applying SAME rules to ALL countries EQUALLY is what caused issues this year. Israel is just one of many EBU mistakes. The official statement of EBU is that: “Eurovision is a non political event between broadcasters and not between goverments” - but tell to Russia and Belarus with a straight face while you allow Israel to compete 🤡
So basically you know nothing about each case. Let me debunk: Ukraine was singing about old history (yes, it was also actually, but what can you do), Israel changed the name and lyrics to fit exactly the same narrative as Ukraine. Belarus was booted out also for the fact that unless other two countries decided not to change anything in their lyrics. Ukraine, Israel and any other country has the same rules applied. You just dont want to see it. Russia was booed for attacking Ukraine, for disrespecting human rights, for disrespecting gay rights etc., also this anti-booing technology was used in their case, actually for the first time because of this. Difference was, even I dont agree with either, that back than artists never asked for them to leave the competition, despite all the facts. Putting blame on EBU is funny. Like they do decisions I dont agree with. But they are not responsible for behaviour of artists, delegations or fans. Get your fact checking one more chance, as you basically wrote just disinformation over here.
@@JanBors Nope, not a disinformation. Let’s backtrack all of it, shall we: 1944 is VERY MUCH SO a war song. And it should have not been allowed to compete. You cant use that logic on Ukraine but not on Belarus. “Old history”??? 1944 is not old and it’s directly Anti - Russian song (who btw participated in contest that year) - just wrapped in ballad and pointed slightly left, it was used in political purposes against Russia because tensions between Russia and Ukraine started in 2014. Following year Ukraine hosted Eurovision and they banned Russian representative (Yulia) from entering Ukraine because “she broke the rule” aka she preformed in Crimea 2 years before. Russia withdrew that year. 2 years after that Ukraine tried to use her representative Mruv in Tel Aviv as their political pawn and forbid her from entering and preforming in Russia, she had to sign the agreement and she eventually dropped and Ukraine didn’t have contestant that year. Ukranian broadcaster tried to send runner up from Vidbir instead of Maruv, everyone who competed in Vidbir that year refused to take her spot and go to Eurovision to Tel Aviv. Maruv came with a statement that “she will not allow Ukranian broadcaster to use her as a political pawn and she is withdrawing Eurovision” - it was not a secret but Ukraine was never penalized for it. This year they had shirts with political messages that were also not allowed in Malmo Arena. They sneak them in and wore them during the points deliberations. Ukraine has been using this contest for their political propaganda for years and years now. We are not blind and stupid Israel’s KAN had a clear intentions to use this years Eurovision to send political messages as well. They had solders in their national selection and military propaganda. Song was called “October Rain” - hence of Hamas attack on Oct 7 last year. - you cant be serious and say “there was no political agenda” behind Israel participating this year - yes there was. But they were not allowed non of that (I guess bcs they are not Ukraine) The whole song is about war and hostages and they tried everything to bring politics this year, EBU forgive them but fans didnt. Belarus was kicked out of EBU all together. The reason was not lyrics (that’s the reason they didn’t show up in 2021 ONLY) Belarus was kicked out of EBU all together bcs “suppression of media freedom” right when the war started, together in package and with Russia. Suddenly after almost 20 years competing in Eurovision EBU finds “freedom of press” issue in a year when Russia invaded Ukraine, and they banned Belarus because of it? - dont tell you swallow that 🦬💩 - nobody is that dumb Over 30.000 civilians died in 6 months in Gaza, half of them are children dude. Multiple international laws have been broken and war crimes committed against Palestinians, yet Belarus is a problem?!?!? Lyrics he says 🤦🏼♂️ Yes, I am putting a blame on EBU, for lack of transparency, incompetence and inconsistency. 12 different delegations filed complained about EBU this year dude, 12!! You think they are all idiots? I’ve been watching this contest for 32 years, you dont need to tell me whassup
I agree with you, but i heard a lot of stories about the delegation of Israel misbehaving backstage. I don't know what is true, but there are many complains about an unsave environment.
even if its true, the punishment should go both sides and still, dont really make you do hateful coments, right? Just so called journalists were jumping on the hate train, it was a hatevision.
Do you know why it's can't be true? Because they went back straight to the hotel after every rehearsal!! They weren't even allowed to speak to the other participants because of security issues, also doesn't it strange that everyone complained after the contest is over? Maybe they disappointed from the results bc they thought Israel will get 0 points? I'm so happy that the silent majority shared it voice, even if those participants think antisemitism is a trend now they can understand it isn't so all their provocations were loss
Eden didn't deserve the hate, but Israel DO. They have been politicising the contest and have NO need to be in a contest where the slogan is 'United by Music'. What they are doing is the same as Belarus and Russia. The massive televote result was caused by Israeli interference and false advertising which we shouldn't have had. Israel should have been banned before the start of the season to avoid ALL of this. The Joost thing wouldn't have happened if KAN media members hadn't condoned the harassment of the participants.
Israel Gov for sure deserve criticism, EBU also deserve it etc... thats ok, but hate? Israel deserves hate for what? No one deserves really a hate. As you compare the situation again with Russia and Belarus, you dont know anything. Please, I talk about it in here, EBU has this written also. You can read about it and then you'll find out, there is nothing in comon in those cases. This is just simply russian propaganda and classical debunked disinformation
@JanBors strongly agree with all said. One thing, though. Some people keep repeating those vague yet extreme accusations against the "Israeli delegation" but give no real examples or facts, at best they rinse & reapest the same 2-3 already debunked conspiratorial spins of some disaffected immature contestants, the ones that actually (well-documented on tape and text) bullied, agitated, obsessively incited against, provoked and excluded another fellow participant (for their own empty virtue-signaling, moral narcism and boosted ego, by getting "likes" from the social media keyboard warriors brigade). So far we have seen 3 ridiculous accusations that are truly textbook gaslighting (the bully trying to frame their victim and complain to "the teacher": 1). Bambie Thug claiming she/they were filmed with a phone camera backstage by some unnamed Israeli delegation member while everyone was happily filming everyone, uploading to social media, etc. She/they SCREAMED out of nowhere at the person to not take her photo and to get out of the room, while she was happy to concurrently pose and interview for others. This was done solely because she made it a principle to speak obsessively and negatively about Israel, but never engage with any Israeli. She/they is the bully trying to spin It. And also a plain, world-class attention seeker. 2). More of the same from Mx Bambie - Somehow, a single line, in passing, in the commentary banter of the two Israeli presenters of Kan's first semi-final broadcast reached Bambie (again, obsessive-much), was deliberately mistranslated and taken entirely out of context, to manipulatively seem as if the harmless jokey pun was actually an incitement to "harass" her/them (ironic considering again Bambie was by far the most toxic contestant this year, constantly fuelling the hostile atmosphere and calling on others to bully, harras and boycott another contestant). This false complaint was made in malice deliberately to distract and attempt to hurt Kan, once Joost was disqualified (with zero connection to Israel despite immediate conspiracies spreading). Hebrew speakers know how ludicrous her claim was and know this person and their very transparent motives... 3. The Spanish self-described journalist/activist that booed Eden during her jury performance and tried to sabotage it by repeated shouting, unheard of in Eurovision history (you can't control the crowd perhaps, but professionals that get a special invite to rehearsals and abuse that invite to harass a contestant during a live performance??). An Israeli fellow journalist (not a delegation member) took a picture of their ID to pass on and complain to the EBU, and the Spanish immediately spun it all as he was verbally attacked or whatever. Crybully, in short, and another example of "activists" bringing their "struggle sessions" techniques to work and not even being decent enough to accept being called out or challenged. He was happy to knowingly violate the rules and bully a contestant but not happy to be called out, and he made up a story of hysteric victimhood (he wasn't touched or intimidated; it's all on film).
you know, sad thing is that majority is still silent. We read about how EBU should do this and that, that EBU... but delegations should really be told, that their artists cannot behave like bullies, this way, intolerable. Of course IDK how much some Israel members of the crew were behaving on the set also. I think idiots are everywhere but we clearly saw especially from Irish representative that accusations are simply made up. Problem here is, that the country is openly anti-semitic even in government, historically for some reason, which is absolutely sad. Anyway, I am sad from all this Eurovision. Artists being violent, rude, harsh, divas - for what reasons? No one of them really took an amazing hit, something to remember. But more-likely, they did not brought any inspiration, unless that Baby Lasagna, who I underestimated a lot and who really became a king of Eurovision 2024 with the attitude good to follow.
@@JanBors Baby Lasagna deserved to win, and he also behaved in the kindest and most professional way. Unfortunately, he, Eden, the German singer, and a few others were the exceptions in terms of maturity and professionalism. A sad year for Eurovision indeed, with the small hope that after the media attention fades, the right lessons should be learned.
Kan has done very similar propaganda to the Russian and Belarussian broadcasters, the reason why Israel wasn't banned from the contest is because broadcasters didn't threaten to withdraw as they did when Russia was banned.
they did not. I know its your wish, also with genicide but this is not happening. Its so easy to find out, but this part is hard, as it would prove you wrong and you know it. So that why you are antisemit, because you want it.
@@JanBors Kan has literally had a childrens choir sing about how they will destroy Gaza, their name on bombs destined for Gaza and also disrespected SVT in videos they have made.
You didnt like Joost from the start and its revealing alot about yourself adressing him as such and the same with Bambie. Israel shouldnt have been in the contest as their regime has killed 35K SOULS in the meantime. You take the arrogance of others of being hatefull, dumb or anti semitic. These are also free souls expressing their minds. Your stand is very biased. I did enjoy your previous posts. But after the assault on Gabe of ESCUnited I unsubscribed from your channel. All the best.
I did not like Joost song, thats not personal to him. I am ok if people express their minds, to dialog, not absolute non-sense reactions. I would for example take - we dont agree with Israel, but we also dont agree with hate towards Israeli delegation and Eden Golan. And idk in which world you were living or still do, but I see the hate on social media every day even now. Towards the artists. I also did not assaulted Gabe, I used his talk as an example of what is going on. Unacceptable if you ask me, as it does what disinformators do - use the truth and shape it in completely different meanings. Same as he did after this video commenting me. So I am glad I pin-pointed this out.
@@JanBors How can you put aside official reports on the situation in Gaza, from the UN, Amnesty, Unicef, Docters without borders, very journalistic organisations, the World Food program , the ICJ, etc etc?? Thats not parrot propaganda imo. Israel should not have been in this years contest. And they were boohed for reasons as wel Martin O and the EBU. The biggest Shit show on Earth this year.
@@JanBors Russia's situation was different from Israel?? First of all Russian broadcaster decided to leave EBU after they were disqualified from Eurovision. so what you said was a lie. That is why I quit watching a video which starts with lies.
@@yuijo2772 I is not. Russia was banned from EBU, regardless they left first. This thing means you cannot be part of any EBU event or cooperation. Its not just Eurovision. Ofc the situation is very different by principle. Russia attacked sovereign state without any provocation. Using their "public" media to spread desinformation, lies and threats to whole Europe and Ukraine. Israel did not do any threats to neigbour countries, even many would like to wipe them out. Israel got attacked by Gazan Terrorrists from Hamas. Reply with a war. Like any other normal country which protects it citizens. Idk rly how hard is this to accept?
@@JanBors Russian broadcaster left the EBU and that is a fact, which results in them not being able to take part in any of the contest EBU organises. Russia started a war, Israel committed genocide. Please do not change the narrative. Eurovision is supposed to unit Europe and not bring it to disrepute. Using the word provocation to justify what Israel has done and is doing it is not fair. I would suggest to go and read more history textbook before commenting on what it is happening in Palestine. The actual question should be Why is it so hard for you to understand the actual truth? What Israel is doing it is so wrong. I get it you are jewish and want to protect whatever the jewish country is doing, but this war is not about religion. This war is about human rights and historical rights, turning this war into a religious one will do more damage to the jews than to any other religion. Invading some other nations territory gives you no right to commit Genocide and act like a victim.
Sorry. No. They cheated multiple times. They are engaged in an active genocide and made the lives of MULTIPLE performers hells they deserve no sympathy whatsoever. If you’re gonna represent your country. YOURE GONNA REPRESENT YOUR COUNTRY.
According to official and unofficial statements many delegations made the lives of one another a hell, Israel wasn't an isolated case. But of course it doesn't matter... just focus on israel, it's just easier.
How many times do we have to explain that it's a singing contest.... not a political parade... Eurovision was about music, is about music and will be about music..., period. 🙏 If a well explained video doesn't help you, nothing will probably help your obsession with Israel...
Active genocide? Dear, it's a war forced upon Israel. It's just trying to bring it's hostages back and bring down the terror organization that INTENTIONALLY butchered, burned, raped more than 1300 children, elderly, woman. You gotta check your facts mate, cause someone has been brainwashing you very intensively. By the way, UN has just published that actual number of war victims is twice as low than Hamas publishments, where probably more than half of them are Hamas "freedom butchers and rapists". Yes, stop the "G E N Ooooo C I D E"
Israel engaged in a dirty tricks war to denigrate other contestants. They had to change their openly political lyrics, so to say they weren’t political is a downright lie.
That's all good Mr. Perfect. What do you have to say that every 10 minutes 1 child is killed by Israeli fire?But it's not your problem or your children, so everything it's alright. Good night
Let's do simple math, shall we? 6*24=144 killed children per day. It have been 221 days. So 221*144=31,224. Wow, even Hamas Ministry of Health is not that bold( yeah, I know, math is a soulless b*tch)
well, if this is true... but its not. Also I would say, I would blame Hamas even more. They started what they should not, they use people as shields and also kids. So this is what I would say, dont support terrorists and their propaganda.
What about the Israeli children, women, men, animals and elderly who were raped, kidnapped, slaughtered, decapitated and burned alive? What about every other time Israel has bled and suffered in a war, or an operation, or another crazy suicide bomber appearing out of the blue? Oh I forgot, you people are so busy dehumanizing for the sake of your campaign. Who cares if the civilian is not Palestinian, right?
@@JanBors Guys, when our country does something wrong, we have to condemn it. When our country (Greece) does stupid things, we are against it. You go to destroy an entire country. Do you see this right?
Very shallow arguments. Any country that is at war should not participate in such trivial competitions at all. Above all, due to the respect of its citizens. Many Europeans don't understand why non-European countries compete in the Eurovision Song Contest at all. Oh yes, because of profit, politics, power, influence etc... This girl Eden is a victim of that in the first place..
again and again - learn, educate. You bring in your opinions based on no facts. EBU has members from various continents, all of them can compete at Eurovision or any other EBU based event. Eden is a victim of idiots who cannot behave. People with conspiracy theories for everything. Congratulations
When you make this argument about non European countries only against Israel while you never voiced the same argument against other countries that means you hate Israel without any reason....Here is a list of countries participating in Eurovision which are not in mainland Europe: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Iceland, Ireland, UK, Australia. Turkey and Russia used to be as well and they are half in Asia. How about complaining against them too?;).
Eurovision fans understand why Israel, Cyprus, Azerbaijan participate and why even Morocco participated in 1980. Eurovision allows all Mediterranean countries that belong to European Broadcasting Area, and all discussions are cut short, as "Europe" for EBU is well-defined as EBA. The fact that non-fans or haters still argue about it (and still they can't find the answer) is just a sign that Eurovision is still a thing that requires minimum knowledge (like it has always been).
@@RooiGevaar19 this is a general thing, most of people have opinions on stuff they dont understand. Thats ok. But when confronted, they should fact check as then the proper discussion is impossible.
Everyone should be ashamed of the ignoring and booing of eden/ Israel this year, this is a competition between broadcasters and not a governments. Eden golan a 20-year-old girl has been bullied from the fans,other artist, media
Real shame on everyone
She will be a part of the IDF, shooting innocent children and using them as human shields(Which is documented unlike isr@els claims which are baseless) her willingly going back and supporting the war publicly makes her just as guilty. We as jews all have a responsibility to raise awareness, our troubled past is being used as an excuse to allow a few currupt politicians to corrupt a nation and paint an ethnicity as evil. People like this TH-cam, are part of the problem. We as Jews are better people!
You didn't talk this way when Ru #ssia was thrown out. You were all for it.
@@MultiSky7 Exactly, but careful, either TH-cam censors or this channels deletes. Because we've suffered, our religion is now apparently an excuse to inflict the exact same kind of suffering onto innocents which had nothing to do with our suffering. If you say otherwise, apparently you're anti-semetic. I will repeat what I said earlier, Jan Bors is part of the problem.
It's like you didn't watch the vedio@@MultiSky7
There whole Israeli delegation were pestering and pranking all the other contestants and filming their reactions and posting them online, including the production staff. They knew exactly what they were doing including having divisive lyrics.
So if you want to bury you head in the sand that she's a 20 year old then carry on!
The real shame is on you
Thank you for being logical and sane in a sea of craziness, and not being afraid to express yourself ❤️ people like you give me hope in humanity
The crowd who boo'ed Eden Golan during her performance ruined Eurovision for the rest of us.
And ur presence ruined it for the rest of us.
We know what's happening in ga_za and w3st bank - for 75 years now.
Thankfully, people are finally waking up. No more has bara.
@@MultiSky7enough already with your hate. Go troll somewhere else.
They were stuid brainless creatures not knowing the whole complex history and Story of Israel. Eden Golan and her dancers brought light into this world with her wonderful performance and Song.
@@MultiSky7 OK, Hamas supporter.
@@Ogeroigres Nope, the only supporter of Hamas is Israeli govt.
Thank you for your support! Love from Israel
Thank you! And a special thank you for the facts why Israel and Russia are not comparable in this case, thank you so much for that! The comments "why Russia is excluded and not Israel" make me sick as well. It feels to me that especially younger folks in western European countries are either remarkably naive or just plain stupid about this topic.
Ofc they are not. Israel is far far worst.
That is why Eden went to the Eurovision Song Contest for Israel, but she is Russian and both her parents are Russian.
I think, the answer is: remarkably naive - I understand why they want to be "on the right side", the side of the "oppressed"; but Israel is not a colonial power, and the history of this conflict is more complicated. So naive, yes.
@@tillypattiasina9206 LMGTFY🤦♂️ - Eden Golan was born in Kfar Saba, Israel. Her father Eddie is Jewish-Latvian by origin, while her mother Olga is Jewish-Ukrainian. 🙏
@@tillypattiasina9206 you are incorrect. Before making statements like this, be sure check the facts first
Thanks!
thank you ❤️🙏
Excellent analysis. There is a campaign mounted against Israel.
Music is music, Politics is Politics.
Greetings from Portugal
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Aden Golan was abused by the other Eurovision participants, she was ignored, she was boycotted, and then the audience booed, well done, she stood tall and represented Israel with dignity, despite everything that happened around her, this is the winner for me❤
This happen to Tolmachevy sisters as well, they cried.
This happen to Polina Gagarina also, she cried live in the show.
This happen to Russian representatives for years, they were humiliated, booed and ignored year after year BEFORE war even started in Ukraine. But somehow I cant help the feeling that nobody cared. it was brushed off and people and EBU didnt care bcs it’s Russia. I bet you Europeans will treat Israel the same way they did Russia in years to come, it wont stop with Eden unfortunately. And it’s up to Israel if they want to put themselves and their contestants through that every year
Have you not seen the videos of her teams harassing Neverland’s. No wonder they didn’t speak to them.
@@PastaSauce. How did they harass "Neverland"? Asking questions is harassment?
Blaming Eden is victim-blaming
fans of eurovision which is a songs festival, should spread love ❤not hatred
Sadly, this was the first time I ever watched Eurovision & was shocked by all the hatred directed toward the young Israeli singer. I thought this international song contest was supposed to be an event that was "United By Music," not by hate. I never want to watch such a hate-fest like this again! Thank you for your thoughtful & very well presented podcast which was based on facts, not misinformation. Subscribed
@sanoush100 I’ve been watching Eurovision since 1982. It pains me to think n that this Eurovision with all the hatred that was shown is the one you experienced. I’m praying that things will improve.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
‘Israel didn’t kill this Eurovision. You did it.’ Very very true.
It's great to finally see someone having a coherent and informed conversation about the subject. People should educate themselves instead of allowing themselves to be brainwashed and misinformed by propaganda and social media. The last time an extremist anti-Jewish movement started in Europe, we all know what happened.
it feels like growing and tiktok generation kicks in without facts, which is even more disturbing from the side of fan media and youtubers. For artists, this is absolute shame.
Thank you so much for this super important video, you are just one of a kind 💙
I'm a bit older, I have kids, my grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
What went on in this year’s competition was blunt unashamed hate of Jews covered in a modern trendy stylish way, pointing out the ignorance of people that get their news updates from Tiktok.
History is repeating itself and I needed to remind myself that this is 2024 and not 1939. And yes, I’m very serious about this.
All kinds of people allowing themselves to behave like bullies, aggressively, or passive aggressively - finding any reason to blame Israeli Jews for just about anything, in the hardest times we’ve ever experienced as a nation since the Holocaust (back then we didn't have a country).
They are not "freedom fighters", they have no clue about the history, the conflict. It has nothing to do with them or who they try to "represent", just pure obsessive empty sayings to get trendy attention. I have a lot more to say, but I'll stop here, it breaks my heart.
(And just so everyone knows - the Israeli delegation wasn’t around anyone 99% of the time, they were guarded and protected).
God bless you Jan Bors for this video, maybe there is still hope.
I am exactly that alerted as you are. I would also say that most of Europe, or majority. We just must not be affraid to be a bit louder. Cuz those punks are starting to be really dangerous. Now its Jews, next time its anyone else. Doesn't matter.
Holocaust survivors of the camps deployed the very same tactics nazi German guards did to the Palestinians for 76 years. Terrorise and destroy the very livelihoods of the Palestinians. THE VERY 1ST idf soldiers were the 'kapo's' of the camps in Poland!
They should of stayed in Europe and NOT STOLEN OTHER PEOPLES LAND AND HOMES. We would not have such problems ever since!
@gilview4639 My mother was a holocaust survivor and most of my family on both sides perished in the war. What you said resonates with me. Never have I felt so traumatized and anxious like I have been feeling in the last 6-7 months. I am a big Eurovision fan and what used to be a super fun experience of watching videos and trying to predict and getting into discussions with people became a super stressful, hurtful and infuriating experience for me. I don’t understand people who say Israel ruined Eurovision for them. Those people ruined Eurovision for everyone with their hatred. Never again.
@@idokny
Exactly 🩵
Never again is now.
This videos people filming themselves feeling so self-righteous to boo gave you an idea how it might have been in Germany in the 1930s. A lecture in history so to say. 1998 Dana International the first transgender artist won for Israel and now to see that comunity turning against Israel was hard. Not an ESC I like to watch. In the end the televotes at least showed that a lot of people didn't agree on that what happened.
The contribution of Israel to the contest is much bigger than people see in the first place. There are TWO great singers in the Eurovision this year. Eden and Tali. And they were Awesome.
Great podcast! What happened in Eurovision and what some contestants did to the Israeli singer is sick.
Lack of respect like GREECE😢
Totally agree with everything you said in this video. Would like to add how I personally saw it from my perspective: the artists themselves created this negative energy, disrespecting with weird behaviours, in the end, they couldn't bear it and, of course, blamed it on the Israel delegation *the tension etc. The artists themselves unfortunately encouraged the behaviour of their fans to go crazy in the comments sections, booing during life performances etc. It felt like high school, these influential bullies hooked other school kids to bully and blame everything on one person...
There was this one comment from Silvester Belt that he was traumatized after he had to go on stage after an Israeli artist was booed... So now he was traumatised lol what about her... So self-centered unaware of the hate that they spread.
Silvester Belt realy cant take a lose, Eden a 20 years old girl was bood every time she perform on stage and still gave an amazing performance and won 5th place.
Silvester one show get a crowd that was bullyin the previews contestant and was hiped a little and than loose miserably and blame the girl that suffer much more than him and still won much better place than him.
I swear Eden is much stronger than anybody there, no one there could do was she did.
it was a masterclass of hypocrisy. As Nowheregod said, this was like a highschool where most pupils stands with bullies, rest is silent. Shame.
You're holding up a mirror that quite some people are afraid to look into. Thank you!
GOLD?
@@MarteIl0 Yes. And you are?
@@MarteIl0 Indeed. And you are?
Yes a mirror of broken glass indeed!
Thank u for bringing the truth. I always love your thoughts. And didnt talk about the booing on every show when a 20 years old singer was on stage. 0 respect.
Singer did not get respect, but also the project did not receive it. Eden was centre of hate but after all we all lost.
@JanBors what did u think about her performance and her being cool although the booing?
Bravo! This is what I’m saying all the time - those are totally different situations, Russia and Belorussia are under economic sanctions which includes being banned from the EBU, Israel is not - simple as that.
Huge huge love from Israel ♥️
Its so sad to see all the hate and fake about us,and your videos from the start gave us a huge warm in our hearts. ❤
The people of Israel love you Jan thank you so much for all what you do for us ❤ in the darkness of boycott, bullying and hateness you are like a great light in the sky.
Next time Israel will win we invite you here and we'll host you like the king you are 👑♥️♥️
❤️🙏 on shawarma for me pls!
😂😂😂@@JanBors
@@JanBorsI'll buy you two😜
Thank you - Toda raba ❤
Its ok to blame Israel are used to it we get blamed for all that happens in this world:)
It’s not ok but yes unfortunately we’re used to it
Part of the problem is that alot of the artist's protests feel like they are booing a rival sports team, rather than creating an environment where nuanced discussions can take place. All it does is increase tensions, and teach people to hate...
and they say that music is not a competition... :) imo artists go with trends. We saw how many artists was giving so much love to Russia even after full invasion... what can you think. Anyway, this is a serious problem in many countries and I hope televisions will stop feeding it
Well said ❤️, I've always told my friends that all 37 songs are winners and it doesn't matter what order they end up in. It's music and it's subjective, and that's why even if I only have one favorite out of the 37, it's still a win and I'm definitely not going to hate the others... just #eurovisionandchill 😅. The same as the Oscars and hate everyone who doesn't win an award. After all, it doesn't make those films any less films than the one that won. 🙏
@loujohnson3735 Your point is very valid. Imagine if Olympic athletes were booing escorted or behaving this way. It’s so unprofessional.
you nailed the point, this "you provoke me to do this" attitude is the very essence of violence in general and anti-Semitic acts throughout history in particular
Every word written in stone.
You aren't anti semitic if you're against Isreal you're for human rights and against the genocide they're commiting.
Except there is no genocide, I know that using that buzzword is trendy but it means ZERO for what is actually happening. Hamas literally defends the extinction of Jews and Israel has the right to defend itself from barbarian terrorists. War is war and people die as a consequence. It's sad, it's should not happen but it was not Israel who broke the ceasefire on October 7th.
well, if you have a proper arguments, then I would agree, but you dont have arguments, you have emotions as your ideas has no valid ground. Than if you base your hatred on emotions and not facts, that means you have a racism problem. You just hate by principle.
@@JanBors It's a fact Israel has killed 1000's of children and that automatically makes them the perpetrator.
@@OgeroigresNO GENOCIDE!? BEST DOCUMENTED WAR FROM MODERN TIMES ! Delusional fool 🤮
@@FunnyStuffFailsPranks The only fool is you. WAR IS NOT GENOCIDE and it's not Israel who wants the destruction of Gaza, they are defending themselves from radical islamists. It's Hamas and most Palestinians in Gaza who want the genocide of Jews. That's exactly what "From the River to the Sea" means: destruction of Israel.
thanks from Israel 🇮🇱 I hope will have more people like you.,thank God ❤🙏🇮🇱
Thank you Jan.
Very important clarifications and message.
when will the losers at google decide to censor this video? LOL. In this crazy world, let me thank you for not being crazy. In a non-crazy world, thanks would not be necessary.
That was a decent reaction....well done !!!
I think this year was super tough for everyone. But one thing i'm taking from this year is that it's going to be very tough for Israeli-born musicians in the international scene from now on regardless of their views. This year made me give up on my dream of going big somehow and sharing my work because eventually someone will try to take me down. I'm probably being anxious and illogical but that's just the feeling I get.
I also hate how a lot of people on "the israeli side" are using this as a wagon to express pretty heinous islamophobia and homo/transphobia. Like, Israel sent in the first trans winner (we sent Dana twice!).
We have our problems, yeah, but the rabid vitriol towards any Israeli and the conspiracies just tainted the whole thing for me. Just reeks of antisemitism. If the Israeli delegation did something wrong, they should be reprimanded as any other would. But losing your cool and treating others like lepers (in front of millions!), not to mention blaming every instance of unprofessional behaviour on a specific group is just a sign that you're difficult to work with. Imagine being a venue owner and wanting to sign on someone now, will you need to scan your planned preformances to make sure nobody will lose their cool if an Israeli is present?
I hope we go again next year, because I don't want to let the bullies win. Especially the types that filled the eurovision crowd.
Bullies will lose again, especially those who are actually loosers.
Eden stood there on that stage , surrounded by a sea of wolves with so much grace , so much strenght and she shook those haters off a d gave all she had , i so admire her for that , i am so glad that she got to do both her performances without any stage invaders and she returned home in good health safely , i was really worried about and really scared for her safety , i litterally was praying before the song was on in the semi final and in the grand final as well just to make sure nothing would have happened to her , she did not deserve this hate and negativety but she stood tall and ended up fifth one ranking hire than ireland .
so proud of her 🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡🙏🏻🎗🧡
The female dancer looked so happy when they walked down the stage (right side of the screen), happy that despite all the protests and boooing they did a great performance and they completed up to the Gran Final without scary stage invasion or something. Must be really scary because you don't know if some crazy throws something to you one the stage.
That girl was very good, very good face expression in the tunnel between live and the heareafter, when she reached for Eden's hand...
All dancers and Eden were great. Pure. They looked like angels dancing in the storm.
Joost Klein can cover his head with the flag on his way out and Marina Satti can go get some sleep and leave us in peace.
Thank you very much for this podcast. I was shocked with the bullying that was happening towards Eden within queer community that should better than many others understand how awful it is when you are humiliated on the basis of your identity. This was extremely upsetting.
human nature is interesting that at one occasion if you have an opportunity to become a bully from bullied, you'll give it a try. Shameful it is for adult people. Sad moment for Eurovision but also a reality. We for sure must think what went wrong with those people.
Amen. Here's my issue, regardless of the comparison. The EBU decided Israel would compete. Once that decision was made all media, including fan media that were accredited should have been required to cover all artists. There was a middle ground of requiring everyone to cover all artists and their song and maybe make an exception that if you could edit out any statements that were political from Israel.
I just think the boycott atmosphere in the fandom prior to Eurovision created the environment for Israel to come in and want to act poorly and in the manner they did because they felt no one wanted them there and in some ways they're right. It still doesn't excuse their behavior but I understand it.
exactly, especially when they use argumentations which are based in lies and disinformation.. basically without any real knowledge
So thank goodness a few individuals had their accreditation revoked and sent out of the arena before the finals. So I hope Wxxxbxxxxs also gets some sort of penalization for their bias, and reporting on any possible anti-Israel content. But anyhow, their hatred and bias got even higher after the EBU intervened and their fanbase is also supporting and celebrating it... which scares me, as I guess naively I think they should have self-reflection especially since Eurovision is a source of income for them.
Dont be. In general, applies also for us, its hard to admit you weren't right. Now imagine how must feels someone who is basically evil.
Fair enough but there's no denying that there have been several complaints about Israeli delegation / broadcaster provoking other delegations and Im saying this with no political agenda but just based on the fact that you just dont do certain things. So again the question. What does the EBU so called zero tolerance policy cover? You let one country get away with harassment and you disqualify another entry?
Thank you for these words of sanity.
Eden Golan was amazing! Inspit what happened around her! She ignored all the background noise and gave a beautiful preformenc!
Thank you again:)) As an Israeli - EBU was the one ordering Israel to replace lyrics over and over as they claimed the lyrics were political...and what happened? Israel changed the lyrics and the whole show became political! Including judges from many countries who said it themselves that they did not gove points to Israel because of the situation in Gaza. I don't think i will ever vote again, i don't know if this is worth watching ever again. The contest used to be an entertainment for a whole family to watch and enjoy and it turned into Satanism, bullying, Antisemitism, embracing gender-bender issues and utter sex filth on stage (nudity, UK's entry which looked like a gay act in a public toilet). I have been a fan of Eurovision since early childhood in the early 80's, i am very sad to say but the collapse of Eurovision is pretty much symbolising the collapse of Western Europe.
knock of this satanism, this is just a branding also... it was a show. But as you say, it was a shameful year from many points of view, hard hit blow to the brand
Thank you for the logic and sense! so simple
If I may - I think all this political posturing has even hurt the artists themselves.
For example, prior to the contest I had warmed up to Bambi Thug and Marina Satti, and even explored some of their discography and videography. Both are insanely creative artists in their own way.
But now, after seeing Bambie's obnoxious rants, and Marina yawning and "fake sleeping" her way through Eden's interview, I am finding it hard to divorce my love for their creativity, from the obnoxiousness of their behaviour. Everyone has a right to their political views, but if you want to reach a broad audience, being so outspoken about them may lose you fans (may win you others I guess, but I doubt it - if people don't like your music they won't listen to you just because of shared political views!).
On the other hand, kudos to Baby Lasagna, who's song has never been my favourite, but preferred to focus on getting his country a good result than engage in any political posturing. That's some maturity right there.
Hi DS, Yes, Marko, Baby Lasagna was cool and professional. And his song had a good positive vibe❤
But I am surprised you didn't know about Bambie Thug before. On Instagram Bambie Thug posted a picture where BT is doing a hex on the blue 6 point Jewish Star of Israel (I don't know if Ebu had seen this.)
The whole song Doomsday blue has a double meaning about destroying 'your favorite color blue' (blue color of Israel), voodooing a blue doll in the video, ' You rather have a star (Star of David) than the moon'. People can say it has no double meaning and it's just about an ex, but you can't say that anymore after seeing the picture when BT is literally doing a hex on the Jewish star.
@@yaell120 it honestly didn't cross my mind ! Coming to think of it, the song could have a double meaning.
@@yaell120 the watermelon also makes it's appearance in her demonic tea party in the music video
Marko is a truly beautiful person, on the basis on the available current evidence. Satti .. UGH. Loathsome creature, based on her behaviour in that press conference, and the fact she felt emboldened to do it lands at the feet of those who booed Eden, and the other performers stoking resentment up. UIdoubt Satti would have the courage to act the bully on her own, without a shield of booers and 'everyone hates you'. Thug just seems like one in a long line of naive Irish leftists and a products of the Tik Tok generation who makes her whole personality her politics.
@@yaell120 Ah, the Star of David versus the crescent of Islam. I wonder if that is the true meaning, or a coincidence. Thug would have a bad time in a Muslim state with her dress sense and her gender identity .... of course she probably has convinced herself the exact opposite,
You are so right and it makes me so sad😢 How can many big eurovision lovers follow the trend and ignore Israel this year? It's like a punch in the face to all of us- Israeli eurovision fans. I just miss 2019, when we hosted euroision, I wish we can turn back time❤
Eden Golan and her Dancers were amazing. Loved every second and voted 3 times for her of course.
The problems around the existence of Israel are there as long as the Country exists - and long long before Eden was born.
The AGAIN and AGAIN discusses 2 State Solution was there at the very beginning - and it was NOT Israel who rejected and dismissed it.
Israels Politicians tried a lot of times in the past to get a solution with People like Arafat (who was a big liar and Taqiya Person - even ciminal in my opinion, he died as multi Millionaire)ö. I dont agree with Israels Settlement Policy of the last years.
The Eden bashing Singer of Ireland (Bambie Thug) can perform her witch show in Iran - I wish her good Luck. And of course. She should take care.
Thank you very much!
As I understand it, the difference is quite short and simple - the EBU had problems with the Russian TV but no problems with the Israeli TV. Thats it. Russia is banned from everything, so if they had been allowed in Eurovision it would have been very weird and it wouldn't have worked on many levels. Russian TV probably wouldn't even want to participate, even if the EBU would one day welcome them. According to Turkish media, EBU had also many conflicts with Turkish and Polish TV stations in the past, but Turkey no longer participates and Polish TV they have tried to change.
But many artists these days are idiots.🤡 Being anti Israel is like a fashion for them. They probably don't even know who is the president of Israel lol. The representatives of the countries that turned out to be openly anti-Israel this year will be deeply ashamed of this some day. They did not even realize that their behavior only benefits Israel
its a bit more complex but yes, members of EBU had problem in general with Russian and Belarusian media for their absolute breach of rules and have no problem with KAN as it exactly breached zero rules. With Poland there were concern if TVP is still a democratic public media or a propaganda channel... but this was far from concern of any penalties.
Israel sent a very good song from a mature 20 year old who was going to be fed ro the wolves. She prevailed excellently. She prevailed over a hostle environment and I don't mean the protesters but the other participating artists. Try to imagine being isolated from your peers during these 2 weeks. No casual visits, no trips to parks or Tivoli with the others., etc. Just being ignored and met with hatred towards your country in a situation that you have no controll over. What message is being sent to Eden from a petition signed by other participating artists?
Another note about Russia and the Paris Olympics; Russia is out for doping not for war.
Fascinating fact and irony about Greta Thunberg.. she has gone from saving the planet to pro Gaza. Her mom was the Swedish artist in 2009 ( in Moscow oh my full circle) with the song 'La Voix'.'
Separate the song contest from the outside world.
Greta became the biggest disappointment. From hero to zero.
Thank you for saying facts 🙏 israel is more like ukraine, both suffered from invasion of enemies.
yes, of course incomparable due to many factors but in general yes, both countries were attacked. Israel has power to attack the attacker, Ukraine is defending itself. Both will win!
@@JanBorsisrael can only attack as defense. Only defense is what was done until the 7th of october. Ukraine is anhuge country, Israel is tiny
People always complain about Belarus being disqualified and not Israel. Belarus refused to change the lyrics and its meaning whereas Israel changed the title of the song and its lyrics. Even if it took 8 times, Belarus outright refused.
exactly
And Israel did not offend their opposition movements with their entry or so. Belarus deliberately sent a propaganda song, and Israel did not.
@@RooiGevaar19 and Belarus did not want to change it. Israel did after asked for changes. Its not even a case. But its a topic, very dangerous one. Imo some people dont understand that next time someone can accused them nonsensualy for something and even its not true, if still repeated, than the damage is done. Thats why is important to stick with the facts and to respect institutions. As if this continue, inquisition like courts will happen and we are all doomed again. Imo the countries with not recent history of f.e. communisms, cannot understand properly. But they should start to learn this.
And this is why I like to follow your videos. You don't say the popular thing. You say what you think!
You're right! Israel didn't ruin anything. It's the people who got triggered by their presence that ruined it for themselves and others.
Amen to that
thank you. it's all so annoying. blaming everything on israel like tf thats just antisemitism
and also its always trendy :/
Ok, Jan. I understand why KAN wasn’t expelled from the EBU and why Russia & Belarus were. The question you haven’t answered (which I think is at the heart of the matter) why did KAN/Israel choose to perform at Eurovision this year? Every country has the right to step back in any year from the contest. Many have and many do. I cannot imagine that Israel/KAN were naive enough to think that their participation would stir up strong feelings, so why choose to create such an environment? That’s not to excuse any bad behaviour at all but to highlight what was at the heart of it.
I can't speak for KAN, but as an israeli fan i can say that it was important to feel some semblence of normalcy in these times. Calls for Israel to be boycotted are not new, and were ramped in intensity after Oct. 7th. A lot of us lost family and friends on the initial attack, and letting the same "side" that celebrated our deaths and the events of that day get another "win" by silencing us on the global stage was a no go. I think KAN went about this in a less than ideal way, but that's my take.
@@Boomervision Hey guy. Thanks for your reply and I understand your wish to maintain a semblance of normality under difficult conditions. As someone who is overseas it’s hard to get a true perspective on the tragedies that have happened (and are continuing to happen) in your worlds. This a difficult time and we are a long way from truth telling and reconciliation here. Emotions were always going to be high and taking a stand was a defiant response that was difficult to manage. Had KAN taken a step back for 12 months there would have been fewer tensions and things would not have been so difficult for everyone. I don’t think any parties have come off well in this and the whole thing makes me sad. I hope you feel sad too.
Just my opinion, don't see in KAN's board heads. But I received many messages, had some conversations about this. Question was - Wouldn't it be better if they just don't participate?
Answer is - well, probably there will not be drama about it. But than I always ask a follow up question - Wouldn't it be better if they dont participate anywhere? And what if they stop to exist? World without drama?
You see how dangerous it might get? So I think this is the reason why they did not step back, because they did step back in the past and almost got wiped-out. Thats where this strength comes from and why it is also reasonable. Whether we like it or not.
Also it showed their strength and our weakness - that especially in the left wing where in general most of creatives comes from for some reason - has a huge problem. Antisemitism, open hatred. This what their participation have shown just pointed out we did not learn. That we have a huge fundamental problem in Europe and we don't use facts, but emotions. Which basically implies antisemitism whether you like it or not. As such dramas never was part of any other countries participation. Despite the fact, Israel is not a country started the war. So basically they show us a mirror.
We can blame Israel, we can tell that they provoced as the knew what reaction it will come, but did we? We should really be scared now, as racism, xenophobia and antisemitism is here present in Europe, in our precious Eurovision community. And what is even worse - it is highly tolerated.
@@JanBors I’m not sure I agree with your escalation here. In my opinion we often have choices and sometimes it takes ‘a bigger man’ to take a step back. I would have had more respect if KAN had stepped away. The opportunity was there and wasn’t taken.
At the end of the day though those choices were made, the event is now over and the review is coming soon. I hope that clear heads and not emotional thinking can prevail and steps can be taken to ensure this doesn’t happen in the future.
you know that by principle this they cannot do, I tried to describe. Being bullied whole history will probably to teach you that each step back you do in important cases, more you'll need to do after. I think it show more accurate that broadcasters are ok with antisemitism, even to have antisemitic artists and those have voice.
Looking at nations who gave points to Israel in the grand final, the only two countries that didn't give any points were Croatia (which is understandable, they knew Israel could win) and Ukraine (they think that Israel stole their exclusive spotlight, and think they're the only country with the exclusive privilege because of the ongoing war).
Armenia could be the other country (but was nice enough to give Israel 1 point) since Armenia has a massive grudge against Israel (because they supported Azerbaijan).
yes, basically all those are understandable, the rest had a say. In here for example many people voted even not knowing the song. But media covered the last press conference scandal with Marina Satti and Joost, some comments of Bambie Thug and people were that pissed, that they voted Israel just by a principle. Even Ukraine reached the maximum 12, as also here is a huge diaspora especially now, so this is not a surprise.
I agree that if all the blame would not have been put on Eden, everything whould have gone smooth. But everything is politics. But my question : EBU could have predicted that these political statements and the reply would happen anyway. Was it a better idea not to let Israel compete ? But what with their biggest sponsor Morrocanoil who is an Israeli firm (I heared). And what about Azerbaijan ? What is for sure is that the top of the EBU could not handle the situation and artists started to suffer from it and so the performances suffered too. Everyone started to talk about 'unsafe environments' (unwanted filming.....). What do you think is gonna happen, replacement of the EBU top, countries banned for next year ?
this is a hard one, I can only give you my opinion. I think everyone predicted this situation at some point as we see how Europe is doing nothing against open or hidden anti-semitism. Now, you can tell, that something is a real Israel policy critics, and you are right. The issue it goes and helps propaganda of terrorists, real antisemits and their goals. Also to Russian propaganda, which is a winner of this, comparing Russian departure from EBU to Israel.... anyway. EBU had no valid grounds to ban Israel, unless all the other members want this and vote for it. And the same applies to Azerbaijan. Also both broadcasters (as we are talking of broadcasters, not countries actually when it comes to EBU) don't do unlawful steps, so there is no solid ground to ban.
Marroccanoil probably has some leverages also, as any sponsor would do, but this is a pure speculation.
But what is a very crazy on this, that artists joined this Eurovision, at least some, to use it as a political platform. They did not even say - Sorry, Eden, its not against you, but your governemt politics... no it was in the way - all of Israel is bad. We just dont want it there. And I am asking what EBU could do.
First of all, much better and clear communication on their official channels. Faster and more accurate over years. Imo this year it just escalated. Join more openly with journalists in press centre, maybe even Martin Osterdahl should find a time to do a workshop himself or meet those people personally. Sometimes that rly helps. Idk... lots of works are also on delegations, head of presses and HoD's to de-escalate the situations, as lots of people in press centre are there cuz of them. So partly the blame goes also on delegations.
Anyway - I think few people, individuals should receive bans. Lots of countries probably some fines or maybe just ideally go sit together and find a solution together. As this is one side blaming, no one wants to be responsible but after all everyone was feeding this atmosphere. No one stood in front of people, no one from delgations HoDs, no one from SVT or EBU and say - guys, enough is enough. And this is a mistake. As no line was drawn.
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KAN is Not to blame, Eden Golan is definitely Not to blame, the country itself is not to blame, but the current Israeli government is to blame for having used the platform that Eurovision is as a propaganda tool. The Israeli minister of foreign affairs admitted today that the government funded a huge campaign to make people vote for Israel in this years contest. That tells everything.
So every single other country promoted their song and artist and hoped to win and host, that’s normal. Israel like the others do it every year, under various governments. This year against the wild bullying and attempts to silence Israel, they made a bit more effort to promote their song, but still not more than other countries. But when Israel/Jews do the same as everyone else, you must assume nefarious things, eh?
This is how demonisation works, QED.
they funded ads, they would not be the only ones. Some do it privately, some state helps. After all, Eurovision is a huge advertisement for each country. I would be amazingly happy if Czech government or TV spent money on advertisement of their own artist. This is nothing illegal. And I will tell you one thing - many czech I know who dont know nothing about Eurovision were voting Israel for the principles of behaviours of other artists at Eurovision. Do you know why? Because that was the only thing media in here was talking about. Not songs, not stages, not nothing, just this scandalous anti-semitism at Eurovision.
And as much as you are right, the cynicism in front of the protestors is spot on. But you should know that we are used to such a double standard regarding Israel. We the citizens will continue to stand for love, equality and peace💙🙏🇮🇱
your channel deserves x100 more viewers and subscribers.
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thank you, everything step by step :) I just started properly this year and there are amazing channels about ESC, lets be patient :) but sharing is carring :)
I get that israel wasnt the one that attacked first and what happen on oktober 7th was horrible.
Yet continuing because their president wants to extinct the hamas, killing innocent civilians that have nothing to do with them in the process is not much better and thats why people are against it.
So I understand why people said they should be blocked from participating this year until things are settled (most of all since ton of palestineans living in sweden), to avoid conflicts and such.
Anyway, they decided to let them participate with an awesome young Artist like Eden Golan and a great song, so people should had accepted it.
Blaming the whole israel or Eden for that is beyond stupid. They are not attacking anyone, nor do they decide about the doings of their president and his behaviour after all.
so its not a president but prime minister (and the cabinet and also the opposition). Hamas brought war upon the people who they govern in Gaza (not the west bank). War. In war, pitifully the innocent suffer the most. Despite the fact, that Israel is doing maximum to prevent casualties which are the least then in any other war before (in general, not just the region). And I can continue.
What do you think - in such situation, in the country where Eurovision is a huge thing - would you not go there? If you can? Ofc you would.
Anyway, I think Netanyahu is over and he is surviving, but he is not Israel. He is a black stain on the country's history but this is not a topic now. I am glad what you said - blaming things on an artist, that is beyond stupid. Thank you!
The problem is not Israel, Russia or any country, the problem is EBU and their inconsistency to set the rules and apply them to all EQUALLY!
Ukraine 🇺🇦 can sing about wars and send political messages every fooking year, but Israel 🇮🇱 cant?
Belarus 🇧🇾 was booted out of Eurovision for FAR LESS then what Israel is doing - breaking international laws and committing war crimes. Where do we draw the line?
Belarus out but Israel in?
Ukraine is allowed what others are not?
Russia 🇷🇺 booed and humiliated for years - nobody cares. Israel participate this year - we use antibooing technology and fake applause and create false narrative…
The inconsistency of applying SAME rules to ALL countries EQUALLY is what caused issues this year. Israel is just one of many EBU mistakes.
The official statement of EBU is that: “Eurovision is a non political event between broadcasters and not between goverments” - but tell to Russia and Belarus with a straight face while you allow Israel to compete 🤡
So basically you know nothing about each case. Let me debunk:
Ukraine was singing about old history (yes, it was also actually, but what can you do), Israel changed the name and lyrics to fit exactly the same narrative as Ukraine.
Belarus was booted out also for the fact that unless other two countries decided not to change anything in their lyrics.
Ukraine, Israel and any other country has the same rules applied. You just dont want to see it.
Russia was booed for attacking Ukraine, for disrespecting human rights, for disrespecting gay rights etc., also this anti-booing technology was used in their case, actually for the first time because of this. Difference was, even I dont agree with either, that back than artists never asked for them to leave the competition, despite all the facts.
Putting blame on EBU is funny. Like they do decisions I dont agree with. But they are not responsible for behaviour of artists, delegations or fans.
Get your fact checking one more chance, as you basically wrote just disinformation over here.
@@JanBors Nope, not a disinformation. Let’s backtrack all of it, shall we:
1944 is VERY MUCH SO a war song. And it should have not been allowed to compete. You cant use that logic on Ukraine but not on Belarus. “Old history”??? 1944 is not old and it’s directly Anti - Russian song (who btw participated in contest that year) - just wrapped in ballad and pointed slightly left, it was used in political purposes against Russia because tensions between Russia and Ukraine started in 2014.
Following year Ukraine hosted Eurovision and they banned Russian representative (Yulia) from entering Ukraine because “she broke the rule” aka she preformed in Crimea 2 years before. Russia withdrew that year.
2 years after that Ukraine tried to use her representative Mruv in Tel Aviv as their political pawn and forbid her from entering and preforming in Russia, she had to sign the agreement and she eventually dropped and Ukraine didn’t have contestant that year. Ukranian broadcaster tried to send runner up from Vidbir instead of Maruv, everyone who competed in Vidbir that year refused to take her spot and go to Eurovision to Tel Aviv. Maruv came with a statement that “she will not allow Ukranian broadcaster to use her as a political pawn and she is withdrawing Eurovision” - it was not a secret but Ukraine was never penalized for it.
This year they had shirts with political messages that were also not allowed in Malmo Arena. They sneak them in and wore them during the points deliberations.
Ukraine has been using this contest for their political propaganda for years and years now. We are not blind and stupid
Israel’s KAN had a clear intentions to use this years Eurovision to send political messages as well. They had solders in their national selection and military propaganda. Song was called “October Rain” - hence of Hamas attack on Oct 7 last year. - you cant be serious and say “there was no political agenda” behind Israel participating this year - yes there was. But they were not allowed non of that (I guess bcs they are not Ukraine) The whole song is about war and hostages and they tried everything to bring politics this year, EBU forgive them but fans didnt.
Belarus was kicked out of EBU all together. The reason was not lyrics (that’s the reason they didn’t show up in 2021 ONLY) Belarus was kicked out of EBU all together bcs “suppression of media freedom” right when the war started, together in package and with Russia. Suddenly after almost 20 years competing in Eurovision EBU finds “freedom of press” issue in a year when Russia invaded Ukraine, and they banned Belarus because of it? - dont tell you swallow that 🦬💩 - nobody is that dumb
Over 30.000 civilians died in 6 months in Gaza, half of them are children dude. Multiple international laws have been broken and war crimes committed against Palestinians, yet Belarus is a problem?!?!? Lyrics he says 🤦🏼♂️
Yes, I am putting a blame on EBU, for lack of transparency, incompetence and inconsistency. 12 different delegations filed complained about EBU this year dude, 12!! You think they are all idiots?
I’ve been watching this contest for 32 years, you dont need to tell me whassup
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I agree with you, but i heard a lot of stories about the delegation of Israel misbehaving backstage. I don't know what is true, but there are many complains about an unsave environment.
If you don't know if it's true, don't spread it.
even if its true, the punishment should go both sides and still, dont really make you do hateful coments, right? Just so called journalists were jumping on the hate train, it was a hatevision.
Do you know why it's can't be true? Because they went back straight to the hotel after every rehearsal!! They weren't even allowed to speak to the other participants because of security issues, also doesn't it strange that everyone complained after the contest is over? Maybe they disappointed from the results bc they thought Israel will get 0 points? I'm so happy that the silent majority shared it voice, even if those participants think antisemitism is a trend now they can understand it isn't so all their provocations were loss
I think you need to educate yourself what Israel is doing in Gaza before you speak of other people having to educate themselves
Give me an example where I am wrong to start a proper discussion
ICC and ICJ
Thanks for the moral clarity! ❤ you are so correct.
Eden didn't deserve the hate, but Israel DO. They have been politicising the contest and have NO need to be in a contest where the slogan is 'United by Music'. What they are doing is the same as Belarus and Russia. The massive televote result was caused by Israeli interference and false advertising which we shouldn't have had. Israel should have been banned before the start of the season to avoid ALL of this. The Joost thing wouldn't have happened if KAN media members hadn't condoned the harassment of the participants.
Israel Gov for sure deserve criticism, EBU also deserve it etc... thats ok, but hate? Israel deserves hate for what? No one deserves really a hate. As you compare the situation again with Russia and Belarus, you dont know anything. Please, I talk about it in here, EBU has this written also. You can read about it and then you'll find out, there is nothing in comon in those cases. This is just simply russian propaganda and classical debunked disinformation
@JanBors strongly agree with all said. One thing, though. Some people keep repeating those vague yet extreme accusations against the "Israeli delegation" but give no real examples or facts, at best they rinse & reapest the same 2-3 already debunked conspiratorial spins of some disaffected immature contestants, the ones that actually (well-documented on tape and text) bullied, agitated, obsessively incited against, provoked and excluded another fellow participant (for their own empty virtue-signaling, moral narcism and boosted ego, by getting "likes" from the social media keyboard warriors brigade).
So far we have seen 3 ridiculous accusations that are truly textbook gaslighting (the bully trying to frame their victim and complain to "the teacher":
1). Bambie Thug claiming she/they were filmed with a phone camera backstage by some unnamed Israeli delegation member while everyone was happily filming everyone, uploading to social media, etc. She/they SCREAMED out of nowhere at the person to not take her photo and to get out of the room, while she was happy to concurrently pose and interview for others. This was done solely because she made it a principle to speak obsessively and negatively about Israel, but never engage with any Israeli. She/they is the bully trying to spin It. And also a plain, world-class attention seeker.
2). More of the same from Mx Bambie - Somehow, a single line, in passing, in the commentary banter of the two Israeli presenters of Kan's first semi-final broadcast reached Bambie (again, obsessive-much), was deliberately mistranslated and taken entirely out of context, to manipulatively seem as if the harmless jokey pun was actually an incitement to "harass" her/them (ironic considering again Bambie was by far the most toxic contestant this year, constantly fuelling the hostile atmosphere and calling on others to bully, harras and boycott another contestant). This false complaint was made in malice deliberately to distract and attempt to hurt Kan, once Joost was disqualified (with zero connection to Israel despite immediate conspiracies spreading). Hebrew speakers know how ludicrous her claim was and know this person and their very transparent motives...
3. The Spanish self-described journalist/activist that booed Eden during her jury performance and tried to sabotage it by repeated shouting, unheard of in Eurovision history (you can't control the crowd perhaps, but professionals that get a special invite to rehearsals and abuse that invite to harass a contestant during a live performance??). An Israeli fellow journalist (not a delegation member) took a picture of their ID to pass on and complain to the EBU, and the Spanish immediately spun it all as he was verbally attacked or whatever. Crybully, in short, and another example of "activists" bringing their "struggle sessions" techniques to work and not even being decent enough to accept being called out or challenged. He was happy to knowingly violate the rules and bully a contestant but not happy to be called out, and he made up a story of hysteric victimhood (he wasn't touched or intimidated; it's all on film).
you know, sad thing is that majority is still silent. We read about how EBU should do this and that, that EBU... but delegations should really be told, that their artists cannot behave like bullies, this way, intolerable. Of course IDK how much some Israel members of the crew were behaving on the set also. I think idiots are everywhere but we clearly saw especially from Irish representative that accusations are simply made up. Problem here is, that the country is openly anti-semitic even in government, historically for some reason, which is absolutely sad. Anyway, I am sad from all this Eurovision. Artists being violent, rude, harsh, divas - for what reasons? No one of them really took an amazing hit, something to remember. But more-likely, they did not brought any inspiration, unless that Baby Lasagna, who I underestimated a lot and who really became a king of Eurovision 2024 with the attitude good to follow.
@@JanBors Baby Lasagna deserved to win, and he also behaved in the kindest and most professional way. Unfortunately, he, Eden, the German singer, and a few others were the exceptions in terms of maturity and professionalism. A sad year for Eurovision indeed, with the small hope that after the media attention fades, the right lessons should be learned.
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Kan has done very similar propaganda to the Russian and Belarussian broadcasters, the reason why Israel wasn't banned from the contest is because broadcasters didn't threaten to withdraw as they did when Russia was banned.
they did not. I know its your wish, also with genicide but this is not happening. Its so easy to find out, but this part is hard, as it would prove you wrong and you know it. So that why you are antisemit, because you want it.
@@JanBors Kan has literally had a childrens choir sing about how they will destroy Gaza, their name on bombs destined for Gaza and also disrespected SVT in videos they have made.
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You didnt like Joost from the start and its revealing alot about yourself adressing him as such and the same with Bambie.
Israel shouldnt have been in the contest as their regime has killed 35K SOULS in the meantime.
You take the arrogance of others of being hatefull, dumb or anti semitic.
These are also free souls expressing their minds.
Your stand is very biased.
I did enjoy your previous posts.
But after the assault on Gabe of ESCUnited I unsubscribed from your channel.
All the best.
I did not like Joost song, thats not personal to him. I am ok if people express their minds, to dialog, not absolute non-sense reactions. I would for example take - we dont agree with Israel, but we also dont agree with hate towards Israeli delegation and Eden Golan. And idk in which world you were living or still do, but I see the hate on social media every day even now. Towards the artists. I also did not assaulted Gabe, I used his talk as an example of what is going on. Unacceptable if you ask me, as it does what disinformators do - use the truth and shape it in completely different meanings. Same as he did after this video commenting me. So I am glad I pin-pointed this out.
and also those your numbers are far from being correct, dont parrot hamas propaganda
@@JanBors We are glad our King is back on dutch soil. th-cam.com/video/y4HRaeK7O1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@JanBors With all respect but you are framing your own narrative as well. And judging others who have a different take.
@@JanBors How can you put aside official reports on the situation in Gaza, from the UN, Amnesty, Unicef, Docters without borders, very journalistic organisations, the World Food program , the ICJ, etc etc?? Thats not parrot propaganda imo. Israel should not have been in this years contest. And they were boohed for reasons as wel Martin O and the EBU. The biggest Shit show on Earth this year.
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The amount of lies you said in the first 2-3 minutes, make me realise that watching the rest of the video is pointless.
can you name at least on of those lies, just want to know, thx :)
@@JanBors Russia's situation was different from Israel?? First of all Russian broadcaster decided to leave EBU after they were disqualified from Eurovision. so what you said was a lie. That is why I quit watching a video which starts with lies.
@@yuijo2772 I is not. Russia was banned from EBU, regardless they left first. This thing means you cannot be part of any EBU event or cooperation. Its not just Eurovision. Ofc the situation is very different by principle. Russia attacked sovereign state without any provocation. Using their "public" media to spread desinformation, lies and threats to whole Europe and Ukraine. Israel did not do any threats to neigbour countries, even many would like to wipe them out. Israel got attacked by Gazan Terrorrists from Hamas. Reply with a war. Like any other normal country which protects it citizens. Idk rly how hard is this to accept?
@@JanBors Russian broadcaster left the EBU and that is a fact, which results in them not being able to take part in any of the contest EBU organises. Russia started a war, Israel committed genocide. Please do not change the narrative. Eurovision is supposed to unit Europe and not bring it to disrepute. Using the word provocation to justify what Israel has done and is doing it is not fair. I would suggest to go and read more history textbook before commenting on what it is happening in Palestine. The actual question should be Why is it so hard for you to understand the actual truth? What Israel is doing it is so wrong. I get it you are jewish and want to protect whatever the jewish country is doing, but this war is not about religion. This war is about human rights and historical rights, turning this war into a religious one will do more damage to the jews than to any other religion. Invading some other nations territory gives you no right to commit Genocide and act like a victim.
Sorry. No. They cheated multiple times. They are engaged in an active genocide and made the lives of MULTIPLE performers hells they deserve no sympathy whatsoever. If you’re gonna represent your country. YOURE GONNA REPRESENT YOUR COUNTRY.
According to official and unofficial statements many delegations made the lives of one another a hell, Israel wasn't an isolated case. But of course it doesn't matter... just focus on israel, it's just easier.
How many times do we have to explain that it's a singing contest.... not a political parade... Eurovision was about music, is about music and will be about music..., period. 🙏 If a well explained video doesn't help you, nothing will probably help your obsession with Israel...
Active genocide? Dear, it's a war forced upon Israel. It's just trying to bring it's hostages back and bring down the terror organization that INTENTIONALLY butchered, burned, raped more than 1300 children, elderly, woman. You gotta check your facts mate, cause someone has been brainwashing you very intensively. By the way, UN has just published that actual number of war victims is twice as low than Hamas publishments, where probably more than half of them are Hamas "freedom butchers and rapists". Yes, stop the "G E N Ooooo C I D E"
You genocide the word genocide. it's disgusting. also, cheating? huh?
Israel engaged in a dirty tricks war to denigrate other contestants. They had to change their openly political lyrics, so to say they weren’t political is a downright lie.
That's all good Mr. Perfect. What do you have to say that every 10 minutes 1 child is killed by Israeli fire?But it's not your problem or your children, so everything it's alright. Good night
Let's do simple math, shall we? 6*24=144 killed children per day. It have been 221 days. So 221*144=31,224. Wow, even Hamas Ministry of Health is not that bold( yeah, I know, math is a soulless b*tch)
well, if this is true... but its not. Also I would say, I would blame Hamas even more. They started what they should not, they use people as shields and also kids. So this is what I would say, dont support terrorists and their propaganda.
What about the Israeli children, women, men, animals and elderly who were raped, kidnapped, slaughtered, decapitated and burned alive? What about every other time Israel has bled and suffered in a war, or an operation, or another crazy suicide bomber appearing out of the blue?
Oh I forgot, you people are so busy dehumanizing for the sake of your campaign. Who cares if the civilian is not Palestinian, right?
@@JanBors Guys, when our country does something wrong, we have to condemn it. When our country (Greece) does stupid things, we are against it. You go to destroy an entire country. Do you see this right?
Stop supporting Hamas and their propaganda. Wake up!
Very shallow arguments. Any country that is at war should not participate in such trivial competitions at all. Above all, due to the respect of its citizens. Many Europeans don't understand why non-European countries compete in the Eurovision Song Contest at all. Oh yes, because of profit, politics, power, influence etc... This girl Eden is a victim of that in the first place..
again and again - learn, educate. You bring in your opinions based on no facts. EBU has members from various continents, all of them can compete at Eurovision or any other EBU based event.
Eden is a victim of idiots who cannot behave. People with conspiracy theories for everything. Congratulations
When you make this argument about non European countries only against Israel while you never voiced the same argument against other countries that means you hate Israel without any reason....Here is a list of countries participating in Eurovision which are not in mainland Europe: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Iceland, Ireland, UK, Australia. Turkey and Russia used to be as well and they are half in Asia. How about complaining against them too?;).
Israel has been part of EBU and participated in Eurovision consistently since the early 1970s.
Eurovision fans understand why Israel, Cyprus, Azerbaijan participate and why even Morocco participated in 1980. Eurovision allows all Mediterranean countries that belong to European Broadcasting Area, and all discussions are cut short, as "Europe" for EBU is well-defined as EBA. The fact that non-fans or haters still argue about it (and still they can't find the answer) is just a sign that Eurovision is still a thing that requires minimum knowledge (like it has always been).
@@RooiGevaar19 this is a general thing, most of people have opinions on stuff they dont understand. Thats ok. But when confronted, they should fact check as then the proper discussion is impossible.
Sorry you're being naive at best and a Israeli government stoodge at worst. Unsubbed.
You won't be missed. bye bye
@@shakitz1 Fine I won't miss your ignorant comments either.
@@EmoBearRights don't forget to cheer for the gay Palestinian entrant next year 🤡
@@salaciousone Noted.
@@EmoBearRights any you would probably look out for them too? Even more stupid than I expected 😂
The passive aggressiveness isn't helping your case.
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