2:50-2:53 Funny question, God already tried that. Remember the whole separating the Red Sea thing? What did that get God? Nothing! A whole lot of nothing. From his own “chosen people” no less! The fact is, if God showed himself to you, in the way that you describe, you’d reject him in a week again. This is why seeking God for yourself, is so important. Once you “get him,” you won’t lose him. Basically, you want the easy way and that’s not how life works.
0:00-5:54 was absolutely beautiful. Well played Cliffe, there's no arguing Truth and logic! I'm sharing this with all my friends to give them another tool for sharing the Gospel and Truth of God's Word.
I don't think I'll ever get enough until Jesus comes back and helps me meet Cliffe and Stuart and his bro. Then we'll be laughing. Everything is perfect and so much fun. I hope we'll all be there. I'm so hopeful
Very cool... Yeah you did get tough questions that do make people think... Though you gave some very tough responses that are hard to argue with logically. All the best to you. :)
God doesn't report to us. Even if Jesus appears now and does the miracles that you want to see, what guarantee is there that 5-10 -20 years from now, people won't be making the same demand. And they would surely be making that same demand another thousand years from now. So read the Bible and decide if you want to believe in him or not. He's not going to reappear just because YOU want him to. For me that's part of my definition of faith. I never saw Jesus walk this earth but I still believe in him.
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul and spirit and our twisted minds too. Physically we will die, to see God in this body. see www.gotquestions.org
Ok, let's say Jesus came down. Skeptic: Well, is he really the Son of God though? *Jesus performs miracles* Skeptic: Yes, maybe it's a fancy illusion *Jesus rises from the dead* Skeptic: Yes, maybe he wasn't really dead all along *Jesus ascends into heaven* Skeptic: Maybe I just didn't get much sleep last night Unless they decide to humble themselves, there is no hope.
I find that most of the people who ask the question "if God comes down and show his power, and I'll believe in him." Generally pose that question as a strawman from their presuppositions. Its a disingenuous question, as they mostly wouldn't believe even if God did show his power on command. It shows that they truly dont care about the possibility that God could do what they ask and just to throw gods restraint back in his face (so to speak).
The prophecies regarding a spotless lamb being sacrificed point to Christ being sinless. Unless He was, He could not have fulfilled His mission to be our sin sacrifice by dying on the Cross.
God revealed himself in a profound way. He came to earth from his holy kingdom, and was subjected to constant persecution and rejection and betrayal. Then scourged and crucified for our transgressions. He only had to do that once, and it is sufficient.
Yeshua/Jesus, the most admired and feared person in human history. The Bible, the greatest selling and most attacked book in human history. Yerushalayim/Jerusalem, the most contested piece of real estate in human history. God, the most contemplated and ignored origin in human history. The winning team!
I'm surprised this was uploaded, as it makes more of a case for critical thinking and atheism than it does for believing in any gods. Well done, college student!
Michael Steven Martin ... I believe in God, in Christ. I'm always searching for evidence and critically thinking everything. People say I over think things. However I accept there are questions that we don't have all the answers for. We will find out one day. For some it may be too late. In LIFE we don't have constant 'PROOF' of everything. For some things we only have 'EVIDENCE'. Then we can look at likelihood, reliability, repeatability and make a decision. That there is evidence for 99% of something, but no answer to the 1% surely doesn't disprove it. In science, there are experiments that give 98% or 100% (like Paternity tests) and there are some experiments that are 100% like gravity. But the paternity test is still correct despite it not being 100%. It's still accepted as evidence that "they ARE the father" .. As Mowry would put it.
At about 12:00 the young man makes a very credible point, talking about how 2,000 years ago a lot of information was passed on verbally, Jesus didn't write anything down, neither did his followers for at least 10-20 years after Jesus's death. When we use verbal communication, it can be extremely unreliable when it comes to passing on what another person said, We humans have a propensity to misunderstand, or mis-hear things, .. then within 3 or 4 retellings of an event or happening, the original message is nothing like the current message. As the guy said, when you play the game "telephone", by the time the story has reached the other end, it's completely distorted. I do not believe the gospels to be accurate accounts of history.
+bonnie43uk But also you personally don't have proof that these stories didn't occur yourself. So why don't you accept it for what it is because you have no bases to disprove otherwise.
Tiger Snake Hi TIgerSnake, wouldn't you rather believe something because its true?. I was raised up to believe in all these biblical stories, I've also had doubts about whether they are true for most of my life. You are free to believe them if you wish, I'm not telling you to stop believing, I'm merely asking questions that I've struggled to comprehend over the years. Eg: why didn't Jesus himself write anything down himself if his message was crucial for mankind?
+bonnie43uk Well I kinda think differently from you. I personally think because it has been 2,000 years from now throughout history almost every other religion e.g. Buddhism, Muslims, Jews etc, acknowledges that Jesus was a real person that existed up until today & not because of just blind belief. But in all honesty I can't tell you why Jesus didn't write down stuff for himself, 'maybe he wasn't too fond of writing' :(. But there are certain ethics & teachings that people can relate to and put into practice, that's when having experiential knowledge is vital in these types of accounts when it comes to testing your faith. Jesus never forced, coerced or pontificated his beliefs but more put into practice that people that witnessed his doings recorded it. It may not be accurate history but is far from being contradictory as well. Explaining certain accounts of 'what took place at what time' doesn't mean that the story has to be exactly the same but as long as it reaches the same conclusion because people have different ways of expressing their ideas.
+bonnie43uk And to be honest there are lots of other reasons of why I think Jesus is a wise choice to follow him but I don't wanna bore you, neither do I wanna try to sound like I'm influencing you because it is such a long, complex & delicate topic that it's merely to cover every topic of this type of conversation. But good on you for reading the Bible, but you're not gonna find all the answers from bible but you also need experiential knowledge to combine with your wisdom of reading not only the Bible but the Koran, Torah, Gita, Buddhism etc. To reach a reasonable conclusion. I respect your opinion & reservations of not believing in things blindly but I do think that you can dig a lot deeper without being brainwashed or coerced by anybody to seek truly of what is good.
+Tiger Snake This may seem like a really stupid question to you, but what is stopping Jesus from coming down today and giving out his message to todays generation?, it seems over the course of 2,000 years, his message has become diluted and changed to suit whatever Christian denominations needs. If humanity was my creation, and i had the power to turn up in the flesh and explain to them precisely what I required of them, it would be in mine and their best interests to do so surely. He could be explicit on so many aspects of our lives so that it left nobody in any doubt whatsoever. What does Jesus gain by leaving billions of people following the wrong faith their entire lives?, wouldn't he want them to follow his path?, yet people who are born into different faiths will follow that faith from the cradle to the grave, Hindu's Muslims, Sikh's.. does Jesus not care about those people?
This thoughtful, sincere, honest student is holding his own quite well against the amazingly condescending arrogance and ignorance being wielded by the preacher. If a god existed it would disown the preacher immediately for being a horribly irresponsible and antagonistic representative. Shame on this guy.
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So much help with people challenging my faith at school and work, Thank you
2:50-2:53 Funny question, God already tried that. Remember the whole separating the Red Sea thing? What did that get God? Nothing! A whole lot of nothing. From his own “chosen people” no less!
The fact is, if God showed himself to you, in the way that you describe, you’d reject him in a week again. This is why seeking God for yourself, is so important. Once you “get him,” you won’t lose him. Basically, you want the easy way and that’s not how life works.
Great comment
What an amazing video! Awesome! Praise Jesus for people like Cliffe
Cliff has such patience!!
that arrogant little punk
Praise God for you Cliff..! I have watched all your videos and just can't wait to watch your new updates..Amazing!!
So many topics to cover with such little time. It takes alot of time to answer certain questions and I think Cliffe does a great job in doing so!
0:00-5:54 was absolutely beautiful. Well played Cliffe, there's no arguing Truth and logic! I'm sharing this with all my friends to give them another tool for sharing the Gospel and Truth of God's Word.
I always love the logic of people saying "Why doesn't God show Himself?" Like, how often do you suppose He's obligated to do that?
Not to mention he could be busy saving ppl look at how many miracles happen n a hospital daily whos to say that’s not him working miracles
I wish I had unlimited a data. I could watch these all day everyday.
I do...and I do, lol, Cliffe is great!
I hope the data problem is solved by now... ✌🏻🙂
I don't think I'll ever get enough until Jesus comes back and helps me meet Cliffe and Stuart and his bro. Then we'll be laughing. Everything is perfect and so much fun. I hope we'll all be there. I'm so hopeful
Wifi
The first student was a wonderful example if the doctrine if depravity.
Great job Cliff!
Very cool... Yeah you did get tough questions that do make people think... Though you gave some very tough responses that are hard to argue with logically. All the best to you. :)
This is awesome!
Wow tough questions Cliffe and you came out like a champ for Christ. Christ is with you.
First guy get destroyed in second (5 min lol)
God doesn't report to us. Even if Jesus appears now and does the miracles that you want to see, what guarantee is there that 5-10 -20 years from now, people won't be making the same demand. And they would surely be making that same demand another thousand years from now. So read the Bible and decide if you want to believe in him or not. He's not going to reappear just because YOU want him to. For me that's part of my definition of faith. I never saw Jesus walk this earth but I still believe in him.
Amen 🙏
Love this episode
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul and spirit and our twisted minds too. Physically we will die, to see God in this body. see www.gotquestions.org
Ok, let's say Jesus came down.
Skeptic: Well, is he really the Son of God though?
*Jesus performs miracles*
Skeptic: Yes, maybe it's a fancy illusion
*Jesus rises from the dead*
Skeptic: Yes, maybe he wasn't really dead all along
*Jesus ascends into heaven*
Skeptic: Maybe I just didn't get much sleep last night
Unless they decide to humble themselves, there is no hope.
Geez, that first black t-shirt guy is just your stereotypical "college guy" isn't he? Even accompanied by a high five. Gimme a break.
😂💯😝
lol
Paul Rizzo He's a dude-bro lol
I find that most of the people who ask the question "if God comes down and show his power, and I'll believe in him." Generally pose that question as a strawman from their presuppositions. Its a disingenuous question, as they mostly wouldn't believe even if God did show his power on command. It shows that they truly dont care about the possibility that God could do what they ask and just to throw gods restraint back in his face (so to speak).
I smell cliff cooking again
who is george collin? whoever that guy said... i dont know.. never heard of him
The prophecies regarding a spotless lamb being sacrificed point to Christ being sinless. Unless He was, He could not have fulfilled His mission to be our sin sacrifice by dying on the Cross.
those guys playin frisbee in the background suck haha
God revealed himself in a profound way. He came to earth from his holy kingdom, and was subjected to constant persecution and rejection and betrayal. Then scourged and crucified for our transgressions. He only had to do that once, and it is sufficient.
God don’t play games with me I loved others I deserve love back I deserve good things I deserve a good marriage and heaven with my son and my husband
Yeshua/Jesus, the most admired and feared person in human history.
The Bible, the greatest selling and most attacked book in human history.
Yerushalayim/Jerusalem, the most contested piece of real estate in human history.
God, the most contemplated and ignored origin in human history.
The winning team!
When God did show himself they murdered him for it.
the defense mechanism of modern atheists when challenged by logic is always..."that's circular"... "_____"...it gets old a lot of times and misused
The believer in atheist Dogma doesn't even know what "circular" means.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. The sound track is killing me. I'm dying. Dying.
Baaaaaaahahaha!
I'm surprised this was uploaded, as it makes more of a case for critical thinking and atheism than it does for believing in any gods. Well done, college student!
+Michael Steven Martin well it would seem that way if you are as dumb and dishonest as that student. listen to the other side!
+Eric Splodge I've listened to both sides, thank you. It's why I'm atheist.
Michael Steven Martin ... I believe in God, in Christ. I'm always searching for evidence and critically thinking everything. People say I over think things. However I accept there are questions that we don't have all the answers for. We will find out one day. For some it may be too late. In LIFE we don't have constant 'PROOF' of everything. For some things we only have 'EVIDENCE'. Then we can look at likelihood, reliability, repeatability and make a decision. That there is evidence for 99% of something, but no answer to the 1% surely doesn't disprove it. In science, there are experiments that give 98% or 100% (like Paternity tests) and there are some experiments that are 100% like gravity. But the paternity test is still correct despite it not being 100%. It's still accepted as evidence that "they ARE the father" .. As Mowry would put it.
In other words you believe supernatural beings exist even though no evidence exists.
Michael Steven Martin There's plenty of evidence.
At about 12:00 the young man makes a very credible point, talking about how 2,000 years ago a lot of information was passed on verbally, Jesus didn't write anything down, neither did his followers for at least 10-20 years after Jesus's death. When we use verbal communication, it can be extremely unreliable when it comes to passing on what another person said, We humans have a propensity to misunderstand, or mis-hear things, .. then within 3 or 4 retellings of an event or happening, the original message is nothing like the current message. As the guy said, when you play the game "telephone", by the time the story has reached the other end, it's completely distorted. I do not believe the gospels to be accurate accounts of history.
+bonnie43uk But also you personally don't have proof that these stories didn't occur yourself. So why don't you accept it for what it is because you have no bases to disprove otherwise.
Tiger Snake Hi TIgerSnake, wouldn't you rather believe something because its true?. I was raised up to believe in all these biblical stories, I've also had doubts about whether they are true for most of my life. You are free to believe them if you wish, I'm not telling you to stop believing, I'm merely asking questions that I've struggled to comprehend over the years. Eg: why didn't Jesus himself write anything down himself if his message was crucial for mankind?
+bonnie43uk Well I kinda think differently from you. I personally think because it has been 2,000 years from now throughout history almost every other religion e.g. Buddhism, Muslims, Jews etc, acknowledges that Jesus was a real person that existed up until today & not because of just blind belief. But in all honesty I can't tell you why Jesus didn't write down stuff for himself, 'maybe he wasn't too fond of writing' :(. But there are certain ethics & teachings that people can relate to and put into practice, that's when having experiential knowledge is vital in these types of accounts when it comes to testing your faith. Jesus never forced, coerced or pontificated his beliefs but more put into practice that people that witnessed his doings recorded it. It may not be accurate history but is far from being contradictory as well. Explaining certain accounts of 'what took place at what time' doesn't mean that the story has to be exactly the same but as long as it reaches the same conclusion because people have different ways of expressing their ideas.
+bonnie43uk And to be honest there are lots of other reasons of why I think Jesus is a wise choice to follow him but I don't wanna bore you, neither do I wanna try to sound like I'm influencing you because it is such a long, complex & delicate topic that it's merely to cover every topic of this type of conversation. But good on you for reading the Bible, but you're not gonna find all the answers from bible but you also need experiential knowledge to combine with your wisdom of reading not only the Bible but the Koran, Torah, Gita, Buddhism etc. To reach a reasonable conclusion. I respect your opinion & reservations of not believing in things blindly but I do think that you can dig a lot deeper without being brainwashed or coerced by anybody to seek truly of what is good.
+Tiger Snake This may seem like a really stupid question to you, but what is stopping Jesus from coming down today and giving out his message to todays generation?, it seems over the course of 2,000 years, his message has become diluted and changed to suit whatever Christian denominations needs. If humanity was my creation, and i had the power to turn up in the flesh and explain to them precisely what I required of them, it would be in mine and their best interests to do so surely. He could be explicit on so many aspects of our lives so that it left nobody in any doubt whatsoever. What does Jesus gain by leaving billions of people following the wrong faith their entire lives?, wouldn't he want them to follow his path?, yet people who are born into different faiths will follow that faith from the cradle to the grave, Hindu's Muslims, Sikh's.. does Jesus not care about those people?
This thoughtful, sincere, honest student is holding his own quite well against the amazingly condescending arrogance and ignorance being wielded by the preacher. If a god existed it would disown the preacher immediately for being a horribly irresponsible and antagonistic representative. Shame on this guy.
This must be sarcasm lol
6:19 *STUMPED* *PREACHER* now makes up *MORE* *BS*.
A girl doesn't decide eternity, another cliffe strawman. Cliffe gets angry and insults students and their opposing views are wrong in cliffe eyes.