Although I disagree with Cliffe on certain views regarding Christianity, he still has my utmost respect for what he does. For a pastor, he does what very few do, and that's go out to the general public and tackle lots of questions about faith from young students, he does remind me in a way of Paul in the gospels who wasn't afraid to stand in a public square and debate with unbelievers. He has my full respect.
Cliffe is a great teacher he explains things really simply and to the point he has taught me so much for when I'm talking to unbelievers God bless him I love his videos.
Five ironies. 1.) When a moral relativist or a subjective moralist, says Christianity is wrong or a belief in God is wrong. 2.) When someone says that you are using the God of the Gaps fallacy and then turns around and says (paraphrase), "we don't know, therefore science." 3.) When someone says that the Bible was rewritten but assumes what is written in the Bible. 4.) When someone argues against Christianity by quoting the Old Testament. 5.) When someone says, "You haven't answered my question," and then doesn't know how to word their question.
1. they can still hold that position on their relativistic or subjective basis offcourse 2. that would be strange indeed... don't hear that quite often though 3. no idea what you mean by that 4. does that also apply to jesus when he used the old 'law' as a representation of his believes or argument for his thruth (without it you don't have prophesy; no need for salvation; ..) 5. true
The Freakshow Here's your fourth point. Someone false flagged your comment. "P.G. Burgess 4 I don't think it was communicated right. I believe they were talking about a misunderstanding of the OT."
I've seen many miracles. The Bible says we still have the ability to still see them if we draw close to God. God will still use us to make them happen.
I have a question for Cliffe. How does he study the bible? How does he retain the information and not forget? I would appreciate if anyone knows how he does it. Thanks.
For that one guys point about the flood, why would it be weird? I'm from Liberia and we have accounts about the dangers of mermaids/sirens (but we call them mame wata.) And growing up I learned many other cultures had accounts about mermaids/sirens being dangerous also. It was surprising to learn how Disney changed the image of them. Another thing that baffles me is that in the US it is like people do not believe in the supernatural/dangers of the supernatural/demonic but at the same time there are so many horror movies/magic movies. The only time a western person experiences curses is whenever they travel or stumble upon a cursed area/item in the movie. I don't understand... I especially don't understand when people say it is impossible for the supernatural to occur because they've never seen it? Yet, we experience it all the time where I'm from. 😐 and even with me living in the US, it still doesn't stop.
Yeshua's מְשָׁרֵת I am very glad you are curious. I would study the Ice Age, the polar ice caps, ice and boulders shaping land, etc. The Ark was also found.
Regarding the flood question, I think the guy. Believes the flood was written in the 1st century as that is when the bible was constructed. He isn't thinking the story came from the manuscripts
Good to see Rugby becoming more and more popular in the States. Rugby Sevens is more more exciting i think, more space on the pitch, less rules, more fun to watch :-)
The guy quietly protesting in the background may, one day, hear what Cliffe is saying and understand that this all around us did not happen by chance. Then that guy may join the crowd to learn more about Jesus.
i cannot stand when people try to say that the Bible has stolen or copied from myths like horus or osiris, or is similart to the story of the epic of gilgamesh. on the one hand the fallacious claim that the historicity of Jesus in the gospels was stolen from egytian culture is not true at all. when you compare the primary documents side by side it turns out very quickly and very clearly that they are nothing alike and that e gospels remain unique. on the other hand when people compare the story of noah and the epic of gilgamesh, when you compare the two primary documents side by side it turns out that there are many dissimilarities. the epic of gilgamesh turns out to be very scrambled, irrational and undoable.... the size portions for the ship was a cube which would be an unworthy sea vessel because it would be constantly flipping, and gilgamesh took 7 days to build the ship, whereas noah took somewhere around 75 years give or take, etc. etc. etc., and when you compare all other factors the similarities quickly begin to fade at a rapid rate. like cliffe basically said, its like a global and cultural game of telephone... it just so happens that the Bible is the accurate and historical account of the flood. and Jesus Christ is the final affirmation of this since He claimed to be the truth and He believed in the writing of Genesis and of the law and the prophets (OT), thus His victory over death in His Resurrection from the dead is the verification of this.
I believe the best way to answer the first girl question "Can I blow him away because Jesus told me", it falls on the third commandment : Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, which mean using His name to commit evil, or to pretend to serve in His name while failing to do so.
That girl in the beginning did not understand that if God doesn't exist, then we can have our own moral law therefore it is ok to kill someone because I think it's right. The only moral law you should follow by is Gods law.
at 14:00 ish, the guy is asking where's Jesus. If a Christian can tell where Jesus is at all times when he comes for his brief visits, we'd all be rich. Because that would mean that the person/christian you are asking would have clarvoiance to see where any person is that they think of. "right now Jesus is in singapor, oh nope he's in idaho" If we could do this precisely with Jesus who can be anywhere he pleases at an instant, at will. Then it would be difficult to track him if we could. Also we'd be able to go to any police station and look at their missing persons board or report and say "I know where they are" and get the reward which can be between $5,000 - $150,000. Think people think.
Oh my morals are based on relativism until I have no idea how to say that pedophilia is absolutely wrong. Then I contradict myself to justify the clear obvious.
You do see miracles now. In fact, we as Christians should be convicted by this and walk in our identities as children of God, in power and authority. We have the ability to heal the sick, cast out demons, and preach the gospel. Greater things we can do. So yes, we need to let go of man's traditions and open our eyes and wake up to who we are in Christ. These will be signs for the unbelievers.
Hmm, I'm not so convinced my friend, I've been searching for good evidence of miracles for about 10 years now and not found much credible evidence ( if any in actual fact), we tend to see things we want to see a lot of the time, and it simply confirms our bias's. I'd be very interested to hear if you have any real good evidence of a true miracle.
Couldn't your logic that "we tend to see things we want to see a lot of the time" explain why you haven't "seen evidence" for the miraculous? We are surrounded by everyday miracles that too many take for granted and it isn't difficult to find documented instances and occurrences that are beyond physical or natural explanation. I pray your eyes be opened. God bless you and your family
Johnny Appleseed hi Johnny, would you have an example of something you'd describe as a miracle? What would be the best thing you've seen that you have taken to be unmistakeably miraculous?
bonnie43uk What Johnny said is very true. When we live our lives the way we currently live it, we won't be open to seeing or even be in a position to see the things that challenges our beliefs. I recommend you watch "The Last Reformation" movie on youtube. Let it renew your mind to what the scriptures says, and walk in it.
Siscast Hi Siscast, yes indeed, i saw 'The last reformation' a year or so ago on someone's recommendation, It is indeed a very inspirational film, especially if you happen to be a Christian, I'm sure it will re-affirm your faith. I have no issues with that. As a skeptic though, it didn't re-new my mind I'm sorry to say, I have a great interest in miracle claims, and of course, this film is full of apparent miracles, hence why I was interested to watch it. ( i did find it one of the few Christian films that held my interest throughout). Unfortunately I wasn't convinced by any of the miracles that occurred in the movie, although I do think the people genuinely thought they had been cured of their minor ailments, this was probably due to the 'placebo' effect of wanting to be healed. Now obviously i can't prove this, but I do wonder why we *never* see certain illnesses and disabilities healed. That is a major stumbling block for me. If the film makers Torben and Lebo honestly thought they had a genuine gift, they could have tried their healing on people like Downs syndrome sufferers or Spina bifida sufferers, that would have really made the news.
If God gave me life then he can take it away if i have committed evil, God did not sanction slavery, the Bible is recording the type od slavery that jews and almost every other society practiced at that time. Read in context and don't let your intellectual dishonesty get in the way of the truth.
@@JohnjOcampo Have newborn and unborn babies committed sin? The Bible gives full instructions on how to handle your slaves, so of course it endorses slavery.
Re. Luke. Cliffy "clearly" doesn't understand historical method, quality of evidence and the difference between eye witness and hearsay. He believes sooo easily. He needs to be honest about the facts, as he's preaching as if its fact. Gospels have some history in them, yes, but the story itself is not backed by history. Christians, learn your bible, and history. Pop quiz, how many different endings does Mark have? Who wrote it? The floor is open.
I think Cliffe misunderstands the atheist position regarding morality, I don't know of any of my atheist friends who says it's ok to treat people badly.. we can all come to the conclusion that it's better to get on with eachother from the way we've been raised to know right from wrong by our parents and peers. I don't know of anyone who would call themselves a moral relativist either.
I think from a Christian point of view we believe that underlying urge to do good comes from being created...then again I don't have faith like Cliffe so I'm not sure why I'm even replying. Lol have a great day
TZfitness Hi TZ, as I said, as atheists, we believe we get them from our parents and peers.( as they did from their parents and peers, etc) It's a huge subject, but that's my very short answer.
TZfitness That's the thing though TZ, no mother or father that I'm aware of would teach their child to spit on someone, the vast majority of parents raise their children properly, with manners. I could not even envisage a child spitting at someone with that childs parent's looking on admiringly.
TZfitness Yes, i get what you're saying TZ. It would be an interesting experiment to isolate a group of babies from society, and raise them up not to have any empathy and to be totally selfish, then to see how they turn out as adults. This might prove that morality is a human construct, .. but of course it would be a very cruel on the children to do this to them. Not recommended though :-) There has been some research done on mothers who have been raped, and ended up having the rapists child, some of the mothers have not shown that baby the kind of love and kindness that comes naturally, a lot of those children grow up with major behavior problems and became anti social, and in adult life have become violent and have led a life of crime, so there is some evidence that morality is a learned behavior.
You don't understand the moral argument. It is not saying atheists are bad people. It's saying if God exists, there are some objective morals. For example, killing innocent children is wrong even if society says it is right. Why? because there is a moral law giver (God) who right and wrong flows from. If your an atheist, there is no moral law giver (God). So, who defines morality? Society. Therefore, all morality is dependent on what the society or individual says. There is no ultimate or objective standard of right and wrong. It's all relative. When Nazi Germany told children Jews were to be killed were they relatively wrong or objectively wrong? When Racist Americans said African Americans were 3/4 the value of whites were they objectively or relatively wrong? If there is no moral law giver there is no ultimate moral standard of the universe. As a result the atheist is forced to say "Nazis were relatively wrong." If Nazis were relatively wrong then they also can be relatively right. That is the absurdity of atheism.
Cliffe is awesome. My husband and I watch his videos all the time
You are awesome. (:
gotta love the patented Cliffe finger count for "I DO NOT KNOW" lol! gets me every time!
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I love this guy, because he loves Jesus.
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I wish there were more Cliffes in this world.
He is only good because of Christ dwelling in him otherwise he would be bad so we just need more people filled with the Holy Spirit .
Although I disagree with Cliffe on certain views regarding Christianity, he still has my utmost respect for what he does. For a pastor, he does what very few do, and that's go out to the general public and tackle lots of questions about faith from young students, he does remind me in a way of Paul in the gospels who wasn't afraid to stand in a public square and debate with unbelievers. He has my full respect.
How are you doing? I hope well. I just wanted to say hi again, and hope you have a good day.
***** Hey JimmyBone, I'm doing pretty good thankyou my friend. Always good to hear from you. Hope you are well too.
Cliffe is a great teacher he explains things really simply and to the point he has taught me so much for when I'm talking to unbelievers God bless him I love his videos.
Thank you, Cliffe :) God bless you and your family
Yo Cliffe went in with knowledge and fire 🔥 in this one!
BecomingMike By the student yes when talked about changing the date of the flood.
Five ironies.
1.) When a moral relativist or a subjective moralist, says Christianity is wrong or a belief in God is wrong.
2.) When someone says that you are using the God of the Gaps fallacy and then turns around and says (paraphrase), "we don't know, therefore science."
3.) When someone says that the Bible was rewritten but assumes what is written in the Bible.
4.) When someone argues against Christianity by quoting the Old Testament.
5.) When someone says, "You haven't answered my question," and then doesn't know how to word their question.
1. they can still hold that position on their relativistic or subjective basis offcourse
2. that would be strange indeed... don't hear that quite often though
3. no idea what you mean by that
4. does that also apply to jesus when he used the old 'law' as a representation of his believes or argument for his thruth (without it you don't have prophesy; no need for salvation; ..)
5. true
P.G. Burgess 1 They cannot say Christianity is wrong if morals are relative or subjective.
P.G. Burgess 2 You seem to be new to the internet and Atheism. It sadly happens a lot, just not in those words.
P.G. Burgess 3 Is basically saying that they don't have any knowledge of what the Bible says at all, but they assume what it says.
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Here's your fourth point. Someone false flagged your comment.
"P.G. Burgess 4 I don't think it was communicated right. I believe they were talking about a misunderstanding of the OT."
Thank you Cliff, I'm so blessed❤
The most common miracle today is that which happens in the heart.
Thanks Cliffe. More grace.
Love how cliff completely ignored the virtue singling sign hold in the back setting their as if to say look at me look how clever I am.
Thanks Cliffe for uploading the videos~ I've waited for them~
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I have spoken with Pastor Knechtle before. God bless John 14:6
I've seen many miracles. The Bible says we still have the ability to still see them if we draw close to God. God will still use us to make them happen.
I have a question for Cliffe. How does he study the bible? How does he retain the information and not forget? I would appreciate if anyone knows how he does it. Thanks.
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Thanks. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for this! Keep up the good work brother!
Frustrating Really ... idk how cliffe does it
Only Gods power could get a human through dealing with such arrogance and ignorance mingled together.
For that one guys point about the flood, why would it be weird? I'm from Liberia and we have accounts about the dangers of mermaids/sirens (but we call them mame wata.) And growing up I learned many other cultures had accounts about mermaids/sirens being dangerous also. It was surprising to learn how Disney changed the image of them.
Another thing that baffles me is that in the US it is like people do not believe in the supernatural/dangers of the supernatural/demonic but at the same time there are so many horror movies/magic movies. The only time a western person experiences curses is whenever they travel or stumble upon a cursed area/item in the movie.
I don't understand... I especially don't understand when people say it is impossible for the supernatural to occur because they've never seen it? Yet, we experience it all the time where I'm from. 😐 and even with me living in the US, it still doesn't stop.
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Numbers 6:24-26,
Deuteronomy 28, Joshua 1:7-8
Matthew 6:9-15 & 12:31-32
Romans 10:9-13,
1 Corinthians 13:8-13,
11 Timothy 3:16-17,
11 Peter 3:9,
The Ice Age, the melting poles, and rocks and land carved by water and ice proves the Great Flood actually.
I am a Christian, but please feed me some knowledge. How, exactly? So that I can learn more.
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Yeshua's מְשָׁרֵת I am very glad you are curious. I would study the Ice Age, the polar ice caps, ice and boulders shaping land, etc. The Ark was also found.
Regarding the flood question, I think the guy. Believes the flood was written in the 1st century as that is when the bible was constructed. He isn't thinking the story came from the manuscripts
Sorry can you rephrase that? The old testament was already collected long before the 1st century...
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Good to see Rugby becoming more and more popular in the States. Rugby Sevens is more more exciting i think, more space on the pitch, less rules, more fun to watch :-)
The guy quietly protesting in the background may, one day, hear what Cliffe is saying and understand that this all around us did not happen by chance. Then that guy may join the crowd to learn more about Jesus.
clifee is man of wisedom
I met God before people, My first memory was with Him. Thus, I came here with the knowledge of God before I even understood that He was called God.
5-530 service. so they only have 30 minutes of service? whaaat?
i cannot stand when people try to say that the Bible has stolen or copied from myths like horus or osiris, or is similart to the story of the epic of gilgamesh. on the one hand the fallacious claim that the historicity of Jesus in the gospels was stolen from egytian culture is not true at all. when you compare the primary documents side by side it turns out very quickly and very clearly that they are nothing alike and that e gospels remain unique. on the other hand when people compare the story of noah and the epic of gilgamesh, when you compare the two primary documents side by side it turns out that there are many dissimilarities. the epic of gilgamesh turns out to be very scrambled, irrational and undoable.... the size portions for the ship was a cube which would be an unworthy sea vessel because it would be constantly flipping, and gilgamesh took 7 days to build the ship, whereas noah took somewhere around 75 years give or take, etc. etc. etc., and when you compare all other factors the similarities quickly begin to fade at a rapid rate. like cliffe basically said, its like a global and cultural game of telephone... it just so happens that the Bible is the accurate and historical account of the flood. and Jesus Christ is the final affirmation of this since He claimed to be the truth and He believed in the writing of Genesis and of the law and the prophets (OT), thus His victory over death in His Resurrection from the dead is the verification of this.
cleffe is like issac newton his appearance truly saying
But Job never doubted that's the point
I believe the best way to answer the first girl question "Can I blow him away because Jesus told me", it falls on the third commandment : Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, which mean using His name to commit evil, or to pretend to serve in His name while failing to do so.
That girl in the beginning did not understand that if God doesn't exist, then we can have our own moral law therefore it is ok to kill someone because I think it's right. The only moral law you should follow by is Gods law.
at 14:00 ish, the guy is asking where's Jesus. If a Christian can tell where Jesus is at all times when he comes for his brief visits, we'd all be rich. Because that would mean that the person/christian you are asking would have clarvoiance to see where any person is that they think of. "right now Jesus is in singapor, oh nope he's in idaho" If we could do this precisely with Jesus who can be anywhere he pleases at an instant, at will. Then it would be difficult to track him if we could. Also we'd be able to go to any police station and look at their missing persons board or report and say "I know where they are" and get the reward which can be between $5,000 - $150,000. Think people think.
To live a life without God is very painful.
The Bible does give the date of the flood, at least how many years after Adam that it happened.
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why does he remind me of Todd friel?
Both filled with the Same spirit doing work for the same master?
Oh my morals are based on relativism until I have no idea how to say that pedophilia is absolutely wrong. Then I contradict myself to justify the clear obvious.
You do see miracles now. In fact, we as Christians should be convicted by this and walk in our identities as children of God, in power and authority. We have the ability to heal the sick, cast out demons, and preach the gospel. Greater things we can do. So yes, we need to let go of man's traditions and open our eyes and wake up to who we are in Christ. These will be signs for the unbelievers.
Hmm, I'm not so convinced my friend, I've been searching for good evidence of miracles for about 10 years now and not found much credible evidence ( if any in actual fact), we tend to see things we want to see a lot of the time, and it simply confirms our bias's. I'd be very interested to hear if you have any real good evidence of a true miracle.
Couldn't your logic that "we tend to see things we want to see a lot of the time" explain why you haven't "seen evidence" for the miraculous? We are surrounded by everyday miracles that too many take for granted and it isn't difficult to find documented instances and occurrences that are beyond physical or natural explanation. I pray your eyes be opened. God bless you and your family
Johnny Appleseed hi Johnny, would you have an example of something you'd describe as a miracle? What would be the best thing you've seen that you have taken to be unmistakeably miraculous?
bonnie43uk What Johnny said is very true. When we live our lives the way we currently live it, we won't be open to seeing or even be in a position to see the things that challenges our beliefs. I recommend you watch "The Last Reformation" movie on youtube. Let it renew your mind to what the scriptures says, and walk in it.
Siscast Hi Siscast, yes indeed, i saw 'The last reformation' a year or so ago on someone's recommendation, It is indeed a very inspirational film, especially if you happen to be a Christian, I'm sure it will re-affirm your faith. I have no issues with that.
As a skeptic though, it didn't re-new my mind I'm sorry to say, I have a great interest in miracle claims, and of course, this film is full of apparent miracles, hence why I was interested to watch it. ( i did find it one of the few Christian films that held my interest throughout).
Unfortunately I wasn't convinced by any of the miracles that occurred in the movie, although I do think the people genuinely thought they had been cured of their minor ailments, this was probably due to the 'placebo' effect of wanting to be healed. Now obviously i can't prove this, but I do wonder why we *never* see certain illnesses and disabilities healed. That is a major stumbling block for me. If the film makers Torben and Lebo honestly thought they had a genuine gift, they could have tried their healing on people like Downs syndrome sufferers or Spina bifida sufferers, that would have really made the news.
Did anybody see the guy with the 11Six tat?
70% of the earth is water accounts of the flood allover the world ThErE WaS No FlOoD
The girl's voice in the background sounds like she is repeating "Christ and "Jesus Christ"??
I can promise you, this man has no idea what he is talking about. Cliffe makes empty assertions and insults if you disagree. Talks loud says nothing.
absence of God ultimate leads to absurdity
I want to learn about biology but I don't want you to use biology to teach me about biology
These kids literally do not have the ability to comprehend "moral absolutism " as opposed to "moral relativism". They seem almost stuck in ignorance.
The Christian god supposedly killed nearly everyone with a flood, ordered various genocides and sanctioned slavery. Very loving and merciful.
If God gave me life then he can take it away if i have committed evil, God did not sanction slavery, the Bible is recording the type od slavery that jews and almost every other society practiced at that time.
Read in context and don't let your intellectual dishonesty get in the way of the truth.
@@JohnjOcampo Have newborn and unborn babies committed sin? The Bible gives full instructions on how to handle your slaves, so of course it endorses slavery.
Re. Luke. Cliffy "clearly" doesn't understand historical method, quality of evidence and the difference between eye witness and hearsay. He believes sooo easily. He needs to be honest about the facts, as he's preaching as if its fact. Gospels have some history in them, yes, but the story itself is not backed by history. Christians, learn your bible, and history. Pop quiz, how many different endings does Mark have? Who wrote it? The floor is open.
I think Cliffe misunderstands the atheist position regarding morality, I don't know of any of my atheist friends who says it's ok to treat people badly.. we can all come to the conclusion that it's better to get on with eachother from the way we've been raised to know right from wrong by our parents and peers. I don't know of anyone who would call themselves a moral relativist either.
I think from a Christian point of view we believe that underlying urge to do good comes from being created...then again I don't have faith like Cliffe so I'm not sure why I'm even replying. Lol have a great day
TZfitness Hi TZ, as I said, as atheists, we believe we get them from our parents and peers.( as they did from their parents and peers, etc) It's a huge subject, but that's my very short answer.
TZfitness That's the thing though TZ, no mother or father that I'm aware of would teach their child to spit on someone, the vast majority of parents raise their children properly, with manners. I could not even envisage a child spitting at someone with that childs parent's looking on admiringly.
TZfitness Yes, i get what you're saying TZ. It would be an interesting experiment to isolate a group of babies from society, and raise them up not to have any empathy and to be totally selfish, then to see how they turn out as adults. This might prove that morality is a human construct, .. but of course it would be a very cruel on the children to do this to them. Not recommended though :-)
There has been some research done on mothers who have been raped, and ended up having the rapists child, some of the mothers have not shown that baby the kind of love and kindness that comes naturally, a lot of those children grow up with major behavior problems and became anti social, and in adult life have become violent and have led a life of crime, so there is some evidence that morality is a learned behavior.
You don't understand the moral argument. It is not saying atheists are bad people. It's saying if God exists, there are some objective morals. For example, killing innocent children is wrong even if society says it is right. Why? because there is a moral law giver (God) who right and wrong flows from.
If your an atheist, there is no moral law giver (God). So, who defines morality? Society. Therefore, all morality is dependent on what the society or individual says. There is no ultimate or objective standard of right and wrong. It's all relative.
When Nazi Germany told children Jews were to be killed were they relatively wrong or objectively wrong?
When Racist Americans said African Americans were 3/4 the value of whites were they objectively or relatively wrong?
If there is no moral law giver there is no ultimate moral standard of the universe. As a result the atheist is forced to say "Nazis were relatively wrong." If Nazis were relatively wrong then they also can be relatively right.
That is the absurdity of atheism.
Jesus Christ is Lord 👑🙏Maranatha