And when you point out the fact that the 28 year old with 25 years of experience would have to be 3 years old when they started working they get offended! Just shows the complete lack of intelligence in this younger generation!
I'm 77 and retired. My advice: 1) don't fall in love with the company you work for. 2) always have a plan B 3) develop an alternate income stream 4) save some $$ and invest it in stocks , real estate or start your own business 5) don't spend more than you make 6) if you see a better opportunity elsewhere take it 7) you & your family come first then your employer, not the other way around 8) stay away from large companies, they are the worst. The day companies changed the name of the Personnel Dept. to Human Resources is the day people became a commodity. Good Luck!
All very good advices you have and the best is to stay away from large companies. The larger, the less one can trust anyone from HR. I am very happy to be out of a large employer as it was getting more and more chaotic each day. Also seeing half the workers playing with their cell phones all day and chatting with other lazy workers getting paid high salaries while the white nurses were working like slaves became very repulsive. Now I'm out of it and I'm thoroughly enjoying teaching music and languages from home. They would increase my salary 10 fold and I would smile(smize) and say NoThanks.
9) keep a log of everything illegal or unethical that your employer does--names, dates, times, photos. With smart phones this is easier than ever. 10) Like a samurai who ponders death before each day, ponder lawyering up each day so you won't hesitate when the time comes. Don't be shy, shylocks are for everybody.
I agree 100% after working for big companies all my career, 45 yrs. I am a rarity to have made it to 67 without being purged. But I would not try to do it again. My wife was not so lucky falling victim to age discrimination.
Great advise here. Yes, save some extra money and hone a skill set or start a side hustle during prosperous years. I just clicked off 20yrs at my employment, and it’s getting old anyways. Life’s to short to grind away at the same things. I’ve worked towards my own property portfolio for my soon to be leaving. I agree with another’s comments , HR is a joke, they do not stand for employees, they just enforce company policy.
Had this happen to me. New younger management came in said I didn't fit in with there goals. Their mistake they didn't realize my relationships with our clients. 1 1/2 years later all my clients followed me to my new job. The old company is now struggling and has decreased in size by 50%. I had the last laugh.
At AT&T managers like mine got handed their walking papers. My manager did receive full retirement pay and severance pay. I was a craft employee protected by the union.
@@briang.7206Which proves the point unions are actually needed. Despite the fact the companies hate them. They call unions communist and all sorts of names when in fact employers would treat employees like hell if they could. They are actively making these unions a must. Somebody has to protect the common citizens when the states don't.
In over 50 years of working for several companies, both large and small I can honestly tell everyone that NONE of them gave a single crap about the workers. Look out for your own interests folks because nobody else will.
I see it too. But, truthfully my attitude is it's their problem. It is so very important to believe in yourself and in your skills and talent. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching Over50tv!
@Dennis If a hiring manager/employer discriminates based on the age of a worker or job candidate they lose in the long run and also in the short run. They certainly don't realize it. But I know that the hiring manager/employer will lose out on valuable skills, knowledge, and experience. So it's up to the older person who is being stereotyped to understand that the problem isn't their age. No, in my book that companies' short-sighted hiring practice is the companies problem. So my advice is for the older worker is to move on and find a company where that older worker is considered a solution.
@@joane.3533 Let me explain what I mean when I say ageism is the companies problem. If a hiring manager/employer discriminates based on the age of a worker or job candidate they lose in the long run and also in the short run. They certainly don't realize it. But I know that the hiring manager/employer will lose out on valuable skills, knowledge, and experience. So it's up to the older person who is being stereotyped to understand that the problem isn't their age. No, in my book that companies' short-sighted hiring practice is the companies problem. So my advice is for the older worker is to move on and find a company where that older worker is considered a solution.
@@Over50tv regarding the concluding part of your comment where you cite the solution....those kind of companies are far few in between. To deny that, is to deny reality.
Very true and when you are "training" them, who is going to do your regular production or work? I wouldn't be the best trainer in any case mainly because that isn't what your job is even though if they ask you to do whatever, its part of your job. I saw job descriptions go from 2 or 3 pages from the past year to just 2 sentences the next year. That opens the field for them to have you do anything they ask.
This happened in a large global company I worked for. They wanted to outsource more they said and asked us the workers to work alongside them who would train them. After that redundancy for us. An absolute cheek! Not safe even in a huge concern not even after many years.
First time I ever made it to a jury trial (I use to get called to jury duty EVERY YEAR after I turned 18..) was for a wrongful termination case and the guy was suing his old workplace which was a windshield factory (Lathrop, CA) and they fired him because he was old and been there for decades and he was at a high pay scale. They made up some bullshit and fired him and replaced him with a cheaper/younger (and foreign) worker. We ruled in his favor that he was wrongfully terminated and it was blatant age discrimination. He got a nice retirement 😎
That's Fantastic! Unfortunately, that probably accounts for less than .00001% of the people that get canned.... Good Job! And Wow, Jury Duty every year since 18... OMG... I'm 53 and have NEVER received any notices...
@@Ch1n4Sailor Yeah, it made no sense, the only way it stopped is when I got disabled (spine injury) in a car accident and I told them I’m in a lot of pain sitting in a hard wooden chair for 6+ hours, they finally marked me as disabled and I never got summoned again. But yeah, for like 12 years I got summoned to jury duty 12 times. When I brought it up with the clerk she’d ask me “has it been at least 1 year since you were last summoned?” I’d say “yeah, to the day it’s been exactly 1 year” and she’d say “well then it’s your turn again, we randomly draw your name, tell it to the judge, only he or she can do something about it but they’ll tell you the same thing I told you.”.... So weird, the first time I got summoned was like a month after my 18th birthday and in the jury pool room one of my Mom’s friends was in there and she asked me “aren’t you a little young to be here?”.
Shortly after I turned 60 years old, the work dynamics began to change. I was expected to take on more work with less resources to be able to complete that work. As well, my work came under more scrutiny and criticism when the same work before was acceptable with no criticism. Basically, I became a victim of ageism.
The term "restructuring" is used to move employees around which put more responsibilities on the employees that used to benefit from those who were moved. Then, came the reviews about work quality, production, efficiency etc. and documentation you weren't keeping up. The response from managers would always be "everyone else is keeping up" which of course was a complete lie and lie. Time to make the change and find another job and if you are over 50, its not all so easy regardless of your experience levels. It would usually end up a career change vs. move to another company doing the same thing.
I’m 57 and have experienced almost all of these tactics. As soon as you hit 50 your career becomes dicey. Start planning before it happens to you, it’s not a matter of if but when. This country sucks for this, they keep raising the retirement age so the years your supposed to be bulking up your retirement savings, you suddenly find yourself screwed.
IMO. I’m thinking a cultural drift towards greed and selfishness has powered many American corporate boardrooms. Why give American workers or management anything when you can ship the job to India or Communist China for pennies on the dollar. Shareholders ecstatic about cutting costs and increasing shareholder value.
Basically you have about 15-16 years (50-65/66) left to try and keep your income going at a reasonable level until retirement age once you've been dumped. It ain't easy dropping from $54K annually to $15/hour. My favorite pointless application question is "When did you graduate from high school?" If you have a Bachelor's, why do potential future employers need to know about high school......except to date you.
I work in IT. They don’t even pretend not to discriminate. They straight up fire most workers who are over 50 and then petition the government for H-1B visa workers claiming that there are not any workers here to fill the jobs. You need to stay up to date on skills and be ready to start your own consulting company when you hit the magic number.
Lots of us knew we were being conned when the H-1B visa scam went live in the early 90's. Republican lawmakers not only want to remove the requirement to make a faithful attempt to hire an American before offering a job to an H-1B visa-holder, they also want to remove the cap *completely* on the number of H-1B visas able to be issued each year! The treason knows no bounds.
DYSNEY did that couple years ago...they even let the older employees train the new ones from over sea and boom fire them afterwards. It was law suit and the older employees vin but I bet they never find job in same town ...it was on tv
@@TheUtuber999 You know what really IS getting old? Fabricated claims that Republicans want hire H-1B visa-holders over American workers. www.visalawyerblog.com/senate-republicans-introduce-bombshell-bill-targeting-the-h-1b-and-l-1-visa-program/
Interesting video, but one thing I take exception to is going to HR. HR is no longer there for the employee's benefit, they just report back to your hiring manager and you will be shooting yourself in the foot, so to speak. I've seen that so many times.
Agree 100%. I think talking about this to ANYONE in the company is risky. Don't ask your co-worker why you are being left out of meetings. That can backfire when the co-worker realizes you're on deathwatch and, seeking to protect themselves, starts tattling on you to the boss.
@@pinkpearl1967 I don't understand how those people can sleep nights. No ethics soever, What possible values can they pass on to their kids? That the world is a terrible place and you'd better toughen up? Why bother living like that? What possible kind of pleasure can people with those values get from life?
In this case it is the failure of the top management who could not see your capability. In such situations leave the job ASAP and get upgraded elsewhere.
@@samirbhalerao5579Easy to say leave when you have given them many years. If you go to a new job you need 2 years there or you have less workers rights.
It's good for people who work in government and those who collect government pensions they do not have to compete the economy is rigged to benefit them
Simple solution: GIVE THAT COMPANY KARMA! TELL YOUR PRESIDENT NOT TO GIVE THAT PRIVATE COMPANY BAILOUTS AND NO COVID-19 FIANCIAL ASSISTANCE WHICH AMERICAN COMPANIES ALWAYS STEALS TO LINE THEIR POCKETS!
Im 32 but I've seen that all companies care about anymore is closing loopholes that prevent an employee from suing the company. That's all its about anymore.
Lord help you if you are injured on the job...! Big Corporations donate to Governors political races for protection from liabilities...most Workmans Compensation Boards...Administrative Law Judges on these Boards serve at the PLEASURE of these Governors...so likely they will deny an employee's claim because if they do not...the Governor's will remove them...! CORRUPTION at the most BASIC LEVEL...! Governors want to please their donors...and give their State the appearance that they are BUSINESS FRIENDLY...! I know first hand...this experience...permanent injury...ZERO COMPENSATION...! Even though the Judge ruled in my favor...the Commission OVERRULED HIM...! These Companies look upon YOU as EXPENDABLE...!!!
Well they've really been this way about 25 years, I remember from when I was a lot younger and it was one of these corporate controlled companies, but of course now they fire after checking to the freaking max with the corporate level. It just takes almost a week longer so you keep working and then one day they let you go (when you least expect it)!
Yes, my job was "Eliminated", but they hired someone younger and did the exact same work that I used to do with a minor title change. I was also bullied for a year and a half, but HR did nothing about it.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen or heard stories of younger workers replacing older workers for the same pay. What the company fails to realize is what they lose in terms of experience and dedication. Not to mention the added cost of training and retraining someone else. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
Not only do people without experience accept lower pay and declining work conditions, they are willing to accept lower standards and short cuts which increase profits while decreasing the quality of what ever the product is. As a nurse for 43 years, it is downright scary.
In my opinion HR is not there to protect the employee. They are there to protect the company. I have worked at a number of large firms and have seen this behavior play out repeatedly over the last 30 years.
Ahem,...be advised,...HR is not operating in your interest. They exist to prevent the company from getting into legal trouble. (Addendum: I received so many comments I'll add this: DOCUMENT everything. Print out and safe-keep "important" e-mails, which show your kudos and when you tried to improve/correct company shortcomings. If court action becomes necessary, your hard copy will prevent the, "...all company e-mails were lost when our Server crashed"... excuse.) P.S. Since the comments keep coming let me add this, beware of EVERYTHING you say. ALL conversations with HR are recorded.
@@garyhornet6031 In my 28.5 years I worked at this company we ONLY had about 2 decent HR people....the rest were only about protecting themselves AND the company. I remember the last one - she was the worst. First of all, she was fat as TWO whales...not one. Divorced - ha!..that showS you how "good" she was with handling people. Would NEVER answer a question directly. Would always refer to you to the head corporate help-line. I mean, she NEVER ONCE answered a question....even the simplest ones. This was the same experience EVERYONE had with this blob of blubber...not just me. Warning - her name was Sue....so RUN if you work at a company with this "beached whale".
So true! After nearly 28 years of never taking time off work, working crazy shifts to meet quota, skipping vacations, etc., I started to be edged out. I was written up for the first time in 28 years and asked to sign it; I refused. I realized that with each passing day, they were building a case against me, for one thing or another. It was miserable showing up for work. One day a manager slipped and mentioned that another long-term worker was fired instantly. That was my cue; I knew I would be next and lose all the benefits I had worked so hard for over the years if I waited to be fired. I was going to be 62 in a couple of months so, I marched over to my desk and put in a retirement notice that very day! Who wants to hang around a place where you are not wanted? I haven't looked back since; these have been the happiest 5 years of my life! I got all my benefits and do not have to work for anyone but myself now! God is so..... good!
It's hard to be motivated to work hard when your coworkers are just going through the motions. But, I still think you should always do your best and work on a backup plan.
Like anything else, loyalty is earned. My former employer earned a degree of loyalty from me when they did right by me when my wife had cancer. I never had an issue getting a day off o n short notice. Things changed there however and by the time I quit it was obvious that the company no longer had their employees backs.
I once worked for a medical device research company, hired by the CTO, a cardio thoracic surgeon, intent on creating a dynamic, professional team. I had experience in medical diagnostics research, and was very good at creating and implementing successful research studies. When I arrived, the current study team was in disarray, and I was routinely assigned every difficult, impossible client that no other Study Coordinator would touch. Within months, I not only had each study turned in the correct direction, but I was able to draw in further business, increasing repeated quarterly profits. Despite this, my manager and Director both treated me as if I was barely tolerable, because it was the CTO who requested me to be hired. BTW - I had only met the guy during my interview. After a year, I applied for an opening in the company that further matched my education, training & experience. I was turned down by an evil Director, in favor of a much younger coworker, being told that I lacked “the proper skill set.” The other company Directors, and the CTO, asked me why I hadn’t applied for the position, and were quite surprised to find out that I had, but the application had been suppressed. I began planning my exit over the next 8 weeks. The day before I planned to submit my resignation letter, I was called into a ‘meeting’ with a HR rep, my immediate Supervisor, and my new Director (not the evil one), who had just come back into town from a family vacation. He had been as blindsided as I was about what was about to happen. I was being laid off. The HR rep discussed my compensation package, had a final fat check, etc. When he said I was taking this news amazingly well, I first asked if he could hand me the ‘exit’ packet, and when it was in my hands, I calmly told him of my plan to tender my resignation the following day, and leave pre-clinical research in favor of clinical research. He was shocked. My very sad Director, sitting across the table from me, snapped his head up, shouting “Congratulations! You best them at their own game!” I knew I was being laid off (fired) because I was older. I didn’t boss anyone around; I went out of my way to keep my head down, while also helping coworkers when they needed help. I brought in soooo many studies, funded by venture capital money. All of my clients raved about my detail to attention, which helped move their products forward in development. For example, within 1 hour of my leaving the company, my supervisor called me at home, telling me that a client of mine had sent a box of chocolate-covered strawberries and a massive edible arrangement (fruit artistically cut to resemble a bouquet of flowers), along with a thank-you card, to me for the work I had done to successfully fast-track their medical device research for FDA acceptance. I requested that these delicious items, and the thank-you card, be placed in the employee break room for them all to enjoy, as something good had to happen from a very bad day. Yep, I was one out of several ‘over-50’ people let go (laid off/fired) over the next 6 months. The company folded a few years later. My clients had already fled to our competitor. BTW - The much younger person, who possessed the unspecified ‘skill set’ I lacked, but was necessary for the position I failed to get? She left the company about a year after getting the position. She went to work for one of our clients, but was fired in less than a year for lying/falsifying records that were submitted to the FDA. Yup, it was confirmed.....I lacked the skill set that required lying about research results.
@@aviewer9516 When I left that company, I moved away from medical devices and transitioned over to biotech (years earlier I worked in biotech research, developing blood diagnostic assays), assuming the job as a Licensing Associate. I negotiated contracts for both ‘in-licensing’ intellectual property (IP)used in our products, as well as ‘out-licensing’ IP of our patented technology. I also calculated the royalties owed for such technologies. Side note: If one comes up with a unique invention, or method for doing something, please patent it ASAP. I am amazed at the value of the royalties generated. Very cool job; I enjoyed ‘meeting’ like-minded folks from around the world, sharing life experiences, etc. via emails while negotiating contracts. I’ve been retired for about 9 years now. I’ve seen a number of the medical devices make it through the long journey to commercial use: CoolSculpting, venous stents, a sleep apnea device, gastric banding, IVC filter (this was actually used on my brother), tendon repair devices, spinal spacers, etc. Although there was strong FDA oversight of our studies, I’m certain that standards have only increased with time. I miss the stimulating camaraderie, as retirement runs at a slower pace.
I worked for a clinical-trial software company. We produced "SaaS" software that helped run clinical trials, with a focus on at-home/outpatient trials utilizing iPhones and Apple Watches. I caught them losing clinical trial data as a result of technical debt/incompetence and attempting to "re-create" it using other data (not 100% accurate) and not telling their customers or the FDA. I worked hard to try to improve things as a newly hired lead engineer, but was ultimately let go within a year. I was only 36. It wasn't ageism, it was because I was competent. The company didn't want to slow down sales (features) and do things properly, they wanted everyone on board to push sales while brushing technical issues under the rug.
My boss made me fire a young co-worker. He didn't have the guts to do it himself. The co-worker was only 18 years old and very green. On our weekly payday, my boss handed me three paychecks. One for me and two for the co-worker. When I handed the co-worker two checks, I assumed he knew what that meant. Don't we all? He thought the second check was a bonus. I had to explain to him that he is being terminated and the second check was his final check. When he finally realized that he is being fired from his job, big tears started rolling down his cheeks. That was a reaction I was not expecting. He had just purchased a new motorcycle and was concerned how he will make the payments. I felt very bad. But I was really pissed at my boss for dumping that unpleasant chore on me.
get some dirt on your boss. if they pick on you send your boss a monthly prescription to a Gay website & have it mailed to the job, someone else will see it & spread the rumor & change his profile
Do not complete any periodic "employee satisfaction" surveys. If you do, say glowing things they want to hear. Employers easily track those surveys back to your IP address, even though they claim they are "anonymous".
Absolutely correct. Nothing is 'anonymous'. Lie in your response and let them think how much you love whatever the company is doing. Remember, the company owns everything you do during work hours, including 'anonymous feedback'.
I am in IT and 90% of my coworkers have been outsourced to H-1b visa holders from India. The few Americans left are buried in work. They flat out told us we are over paid and will NEVER get another raise. Yes, we are being compared to the new third world workers.
I've personally seen home depot do it. I overheard a district manager say they needed to look into ways of getting rid of same of the "overpaid" folks. They just begin writing you up for insignificant garbage, then after 3 write ups they fire you.
I as a customer noticed that HD is going down due to hiring "young, inexpensive, inexperienced milenials" that don't know about nothing about remodeling, construction, electricity or even basic common sense.
Nothing surprises me. To quote Carl Fox from the movie Wall Street: "The rich have been doing it to the poor since the beginning of time. The only difference between the Pyramids and the Empire State Building is the Egyptians didn't allow unions. I know what this guy is all about, greed. "
Same exact thing happened to me. The company furloughed half the staff in April and then permanently laid off in September due to "lack of work in the shop". Miraculously though there was enough of a yearly profit to give all upper management their annual bonus.
@@OutspokenOkie I see this happening in retail now. Retailers I follow are operating with a skeleton staff so quarterly earnings look good. It'll come back to bit them or they'll sell to a larger company.
One place I worked, the upper managers in the department were all promoted. They then told our contractors that there wasn’t money to pay them in full, and offered half pay. Most accepted the offer which continued for the rest of the year.
All of the layoffs at my company are over 50, and they turn around an hire two 20 year olds to replace them. Shame on them, and those who turn a blind eye.
And they like the young women and try to get them as side chick, or side dudes seen it, don't want no old gsls that are hitting the wall, but remember the same thing will happen to them, the only person that has a secure job is an 80 year old heart surgeon, get it ?😮
Unfortubately, nobody in college or anywhere in your career tells you this will happen. We are all extremely naive about age discrimination and the real length of our professional lives. I always tell young people to "run like mad" from graduation to age 50. They need to have a realistic perspective of what the length of their professional life will be. "Accomplish what you need to accomplish, professionally and financially, before you are 50, anything over and above that, is extra. Not guaranteed"
No young person is going to think that way. When you’re young, you don’t think you’re going to get old until it creeps up on you; by then, it’s too late!
Older workers are better workers. They take less time off, they are more responsible and have less personal distractions. You can delegate things to them and not worry about whether its going to get done or not. They are also more focused on customer satisfaction. But, they are usually better compensated. This is where the rub is with companies only interested in the bottom line that don't care about customers.
Young or older they are the same. If someone is going to work they will work no matter the age. I work with people for 25yrs that should have been fired for coming in late and attendance. But i will say the younger generation is worse as a whole.
@@AaronHorrocks not in any company I've worked for. Younger workers have baby drama and day care troubles, sick kids constantly. You hire 18-34 year olds you better be ready for the shitstorm of sick days and leaving early days to happen. It's like you hire them but really you ate hiring their whole family. Lol
Been working for myself since i was 58, 64 now and still at it. Figured out how to make money on my own. Senior discrimination is uncommon until it hits you, then you see it. I like what I do and I won't work for nothing so being self employed is working for me. I stay as busy as I want.
@@essentialone3934 No...he's senile. I'll take the senior child. I am however looking forward to making fun of the senile old coot and complaining about how he and that Camel are going to wreck this country though. It'll give me something to bitch about. Gotta have a hobby ya know...
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 trump was an absolute miracle! Who could've killed 315,000 americans and got away with it? I pray to trump and things happen! trump is like a living god, if you have an enemy just say a few quick prayers to trump and before you know it that person is suffering the torments of hell. trump was also great at fulfilling the white races secret agenda!! Too bad he got fired, well I'm sure he will start a civil war from the sidelines though, right?
@@jeremyserwer2586 Oh man...here is it comes again - Trump started the virus, Trump is responsible for the virus, it's all trumps fault. Dude - get a new record...your old is broken. Why don' t you pray to your liberal/Dem god George Soros? Isn't that what you libs and Dems do?
I went through this 4 years ago bit by bit by bit. I watched them do it in stages to the point where they made false complaints about my attitude and abilities. I wasn't the only one either. What they try to do is stitch you up too. After the age of 36 people dont want you around anymore.
Sadly, I've heard this same story many times. I always find it interesting that younger co-workers are so much wiser than people older than them. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
Now-a-days, employees are fired after only 3 or 4 days of "evaluation." This evaluation centers in on one single question" "Will the company make or lose money if the employee stays? If the answer is lose (or the employee fails to make money), the employee will be fired the very next day, summarily and on-the-spot, with the employer invoking at will firing, freeing them from even having to give the fired employee any kind of reason.
@@Rickwmc I am not saying this policy doesn't exist but I haven't recently seen or heard of people being fired that quickly or abruptly. I'll keep my eyes open. Thanks!
For anyone in their 30s or 40s watching this--heed the warning. Your days in your current career are numbered. Make sure you have a plan in place. Keep your finances in order, and skills and references up to date.
I looked for older workers for my office when I was in business. They were dependable, honest, and hard-working. Small businesses, many times, will hire an older person with a good record.
I suggest that people continue learning new skills after getting a job. A person should always be in planning mode for the next phase of their life. Resume updated, side hustles...Your only loyalty is to yourself. Cover your butt.
As a supervisor, I’ve never had anyone quit who didn’t already know their value on the marketplace, and didn’t have a solid network to fall back on. The guys who really wanted to stay, on the other hand, were not looking out for themselves, and were unprepared for layoffs. No matter how comfortable you may be in your current job you need an exit strategy. I’ve always asked myself how prepared I would be if I were laid off tomorrow, and I try to encourage the same in the people who work for me.
I would be careful about going to HR. Remember, HR 1st serves management. They can give you an open ear, and give you advice, but their paycheck comes from management, not from you. They will NOT be honest with you, if you think they will be, you are naive.
Yes... The whole idea of "HR" hasn't set well with me, since it became a 'thing'... The term has put the picture of some kind of weird, George Orwell type "farm" in my mind, where there are drone workers 'harvesting' Humans out of the ground, only to throw them into some kind of horrible machine, never to be seen or heard from again. Drastic?
@@slicksnewonenow You want HR to be forced to be on the employee's side? PAST A LAW THAT ALL HR's SALARIES AND WAGES AND CHECKS WILL BE COMING FROM UNIONS AND REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INORDER TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEES AND POLICED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. That is the hidden secret of FDR's new deal that all Personnel Department's salaries and wages and checks will be coming from the UNIONS and under heavy government regulatory policing. Unfortunately this secret policy was destroyed in the 1960s and nobody paid any attention to it, especially when a group of Liberal Democrats started destroying all of the original self-policing regulatory policies of FDR is when everything went into the toilet. In the 1970s , a wave of young liberals. Bill Clinton among them, destroyed the populist Democratic Party they had inherited from the New Dealers of the 1930s. The contours of this ideological fight were complex, but the gist was: Before the 70s, the Democrats were suspicious of big business. They used anti-monopoly policies to fight oligarchy and financial manipulation. Creating competition in open markets, breaking up concentrations of private power, and protecting labor and farmer rights were understood as the essence of ensuring that our commercial society was democratic and protected from big money.
If you go to HR you're probably already effed....... maybe if you're a man go dressed as a woman and make a complaint cause that's the only chance you got!
This is too insidious to even try fighting. I wouldn’t want to stay at a company that doesn’t value what I bring to the table. We older pros who are progressively keeping up with the latest and greatest need to start our own damn companies!
When my department closed and split there duties I was placed into a different department. I have done well there but no way to go up at my age. Nothing to go up to. I was a group leader in my old department. But they come to me once in a while for information because of my time at the company
You come to the stage when you are just waiting for the pension age to roll around. So are they , incidentally, but they can up their pension by screwing you.
I had a manager give me a pearl of wisdom that has served me well over the years. Who documents, wins. Make it a habit to quietly journal with time, date, and name any and all those 'digs' you've gotten used to over the years. Save every email, both digitally and printed hardcopy. Keep your training, certifications, and resume updated. Never bank vacation, or sick leave. And always, always, always remember that HR is not for your protection, they work for the company. Then if you believe you have a case, get an attorney, and sue.
Great advice, but why not bank your benefit hours? At least up to the payout limit, assuming there is one. I find if you're always taking time off as soon as it's available you look like a slacker.
I've documented....out of dismay. Kind of like journaling...as I begin to hit the hiccups. I'm always horrified....but do document. And now, thankfully, I am hip to the tactics of HR...and bullying tactics of coworkers. Are we having fun yet?? I most certainly will be downsizing.
Thanks Lou! I was hired by Target for a seasonal position in late October 2020 and thought for sure that they'd keep me on based on my good work ethic and the rather "low bar" expectations (showing up on time for example) they had for keeping people on as described to me by a long term employee early on. I'm in my late 50s and admit the physical demands of the job caught me by surprise. But I didn't make excuses and kept up. I could see that I was working as hard or harder, as quickly or more quickly than others doing the same kind of work I was doing. But it always seemed like it wasn't enough to satisfy. The lack of moral support for my efforts was a very passive/aggressive way of discouraging and dispiriting me I believe. Then the demands on my time became greater and greater. It wasn't enough that I had too many carts of products to shelve in a given period of time. I was also expected to drop everything and work the check outs too or re-shelve returned items all over the store at a moments notice. I didn't see all other employees expected to do the same. Most just went about their business with calm steady work while I was scrambling like there was no tomorrow! I was also told to take on tasks that really strained my aging body like pulling all the holiday candy from the backs of floor level shelves to the front - Target sells an insane amouint of holiday candy and this was a big task! But I did it and did it well despite my age but there was no appreciation. By the way, if you drop everything to work checkout and are forced to neglect your assigned duties your told "I appreciate you" by a junior manager when you are allowed to leave checkout. BS!!! Target uses a walkie-talike system for managers to communicate with workers. I admit there were a few times when I didn't hear the walkie calls. But I learned that many other workers don't hear or understand those calls either. Target can be a noisy place! To sum it up on December 30, 2020 a junior manager took me aside and told me that it was the time of year that Target starts to trim the seasonal staff and that I wouldn't be scheduled for any more hours than I had already seen. I simply said "That's too bad" and went back to work. I had felt the fix was in for one reason or other for many weeks. Was it may age? Or was it the fact that an older experienced worker with a college degree and other certifications was a possible threat to the younger and greener management teem there? What ever the case I believe I was set up to fail. Target is a great place to shop but not such a great place to work if your over 50. To wrap it up I worked with a woman who had been in charge of women's clothing. They hired someone younger and prettier for that position and the older woman has been reassigned to cart cleaning ever since. Btw, cart cleaning means always having sanitized carts ready for every shopper which is actually brutal work when it's crazy busy at Christmas time. So the next time you think about shopping or working at Target I would think twice about it if I were you... (Target location: Talking Stick Way, Scottsdale, AZ).
Thanks for mentioning your experience. I will add Target to my list of companies I boycott. I boycott companies that don’t pay their staff fairly and treat their older workers like garbage. It’s my small contribution to society. We all should do it. There are always other options to shop elsewhere.
Older workers - although they often sense warning signs - are too often subjected to "sledgehammer-in-the-face" terminations. They come into the office or the assembly line one morning at 8:30 or 9 AM, get called into the HR or supervisor's office at about 10 am and get fired in as short as two minutes. The next minute, they find themselves stumbling out the front door in a state of shocked disbelief, panic, despair and fright. Nobody says a kind word to them nor even pays attention to their exit because, of course, each employee is only paying attention to their own job security and salary.
Spartaculus Jones so true. But my job actually lets you work the whole day, thinking everything is fine. Using you one more day then axes you right before quitting time . They have a security guard waiting at the door , and one more humiliating act of having to be escorted off the premises.
Much the same experience for me at 57 after 31 years. However, the younger manager they hired to replace my boss quickly got fed up with being made to fire everyone who new the product line and history. He quit within about six months and went back to where he came from.
Ageism is rampant - and not a damn thing can be done about it. In a “corporations are always right” country, even obvious cases aren’t easily prosecuted...
All it takes is a ton of money and a paper trail you don't have and that the far better attorneys they can afford would make mincemeat out of even if you could.
do something about it. start your own business and hire just old people, give them tenure and a big salary. we will see how it works out for you. i am old let me know and i will send you my resume.
@@carryclass6807 The only real road to independence is learning a high-income skill or starting a side hustle that can turn into a full-time money-making gig. The trick is to do both while working for someone else. That way you have something to look forward to and/or fall back on.
Happened to me at age 39: one of my slightly younger co-workers and I were the most senior employees and were let go simultaneously due to "a lack of work". Both of us knew how to hold contractors accountable to the specifications and regulations. At the time, neither of us knew the other was gone. Four months later both of us were employed by new companies and happened to meet in an industry training class. In the same class were THREE new college age employees from our old company who were hired to replace us. Basically, our competence was replaced by inexperience. That move proved to me the value of my knowledge and experience, which was rewarded by my new employer.
The time between 50 and 65 are the years when you are put on the hit list for being cut from your job. It happen in all companies in the US. Forget about going to the HR department like this video suggest because it will almost never help! Always network and look for other opportunities outside your company. Don’t feel you owe your current company loyalty because after 50 they don’t appreciate your loyalty! Look out for yourself.
I am 46 years old and in my last job I experienced several of the things you mentioned in this video. I am unemployed right now. I am considering to have several sources of income especially having my own busyness. The idea is not to depend of only one source of income and at the same time I will try to practice some minimalism. God bless you all.
@@GrannievoreI had a boss who asked who do you value more your job or your family. After many things going wrong with her and me bending backwards for her all the time I took her to a tribunal and won. Some managers just can't manage properly and forget employment law!
I'm 70 years old and I'm an 'irrigation tech.' I like to keep working to bulk up my retirement savings. What happens to me when I apply with a company is that during the initial interview because I don't look my age I am enthusiastically welcomed onboard. However, when I hand in my application suddenly I can't be hired because my age makes me a liability for injury. I laugh at this because whenever I work for a company it turns out I don't get injured and I am actually in better shape than most of the younger guys. And I don't miss work because of family problems or hangovers - I am super reliable. It's really a discouraging grind going from interview to interview until finally I get a job.
Laid off due to covid. Told was coming back. Didn't happen. Found my old job posted as two separate jobs. Imagine that. I worked for two years doing two jobs with no evaluation nor raise. Loved that job. Who's the fool?
story of my life.... we grow into these jobs and then it takes 2 to be able to handle it emotionally.... without being "too much"... and "this ain't worth it".
I am sorry to hear that happened to you. Unfortunately, it happens all the time. And, sadly it could happen again. My best advice is to not give up. Either learn a new high-income skill or start a side hustle while you are working for someone else. That way you have something to look forward to and/or fall back on. Lastly, you are not a fool. You are certainly wiser from the experience.
I figured out something about employees in my lat 20's. They can't fire you, cut your hours, not give you a raise if you own the company. It's been working well ever since.
This happened to me in the government job that I used to have five years ago before I was forced to retire. Policies and procedures were changed at the drop of a hat - for any reason, or often no reason, just so some senior manager could justify his or her job. You'd get used to doing something a certain way and then boom! it would all change. On top of that, the employer had impossible work standards. While using ancient, defective and obsolete tools, you'd be expected to close a file nine months or less after it was assigned to you while new files were continuously being dumped on you. And then the employer threw roadblocks in the way that made it difficult to clear the files. If you couldn't meet these overly exacting standards, and do your job with 150% perfection, you were deemed to be at fault.
My manager retired and his manager left the area. The new manager blatantly mentioned how I was one of the highest paid employees in the department. Then the nitpicking started. And requests for documentation on all the things that I did. Then my job was eliminated about a year later. 61 now a year later and still feeling shell shocked due to the abuse and harassment. Covid came and I am still not working but not looking either.
Who can retire when there are no pensions and the great recession wiped out any 401k's or savings. There is a constant war going on to take away any form of retirement by the greedy 1%.
Same thing happened to a customer of mine. Funny thing was he had been with the company since it started and bought a ton of stock when it first started and the entire time he worked there. The day he was forced to quit he threatened upper management that if he suddenly dumped his stock (his holdings being worth over a million) it would badly damage the company for a short time, others would dump their stock as well. He made enough noise that his new (and worthless) manager was driven out shortly after he left. He didn't need that job, he loved the company he spent so long at and helped to grow.
@@eb6195 Never work for a company without a pension. If you have to , consider it a temp job and find better skills, etc. on their nickel and then bail out. Like Patton said something like I am not here to die for my country. I am here to make my enemies die for their country. You do not work to make your employer rich, you work to make you rich.
I enjoy getting told that I am stubborn, old fashioned, not progressing, etc Then when a younger and supposedly more productive co worker flames out and gets fired, it is "necessary" that I take over their tasks in addition to my own. Makes a guy just want to retire early and leave them hanging.
Good attendance, annoys/hated by them just as much as any other positive work qualities you have it goes against their fake narrative that says your productivity is horrible they are just masking their discrimination
Yes. I worked with people much younger than me and they did not work, I seemed to be doing everything and I ended up frustrated and stressed to the maximum. So I had to make changes so that my co-workers no longer took advantage of me. The last time I had a job where everyone there was really working was in 2001.
Yep, my job was eliminated, along with about 80 other legacy works, our company was taken over and it was downhill from there, they began hiring kids fresh out of college with no experience, and put them in charge, it was not a pretty thing, some of these kids started showing signs of anxiety and depression, they were totally stressed out, before leaving I had to train some of these kids to do my job at half the salary, they did drag out my departure, I finally made the decision to leave, I felt so liberated, I decided to retire early and start my own business, I don't envy the young, they are being abused by their employers.
I am 74yrs old and I still work. I work for the city, I am in the union, I make over $60,000 a year, I get my Social Security, and I'm good. I am in charge of my job position, I am respected for my knowledge of the job, all the overtime I want, and I hope to retire in two more years. I'm good! I am so glad I took a city job, that so many people didn't want at one time. All the guys with the degrees pass these jobs over, and look for the corporate jobs with the perks. This is a dirty job, working around trains, tracks & signals, all kinds of weather, no nice desk with a terminals and computers. Dirty work, all kinds of hours working, but it pays well and is secure, with benefits.
It must be an interesting job, though. Anything to do with true public service is definitely worthwhile. Merry Christmas Wallace and good luck with your well deserved retirement when you are ready, sir :) davidjamesshaver.online
Thanks for sharing your story. My son-in-law was the lead carpenter for a small suburb outside of Cleveland. He loved the job and was good at it. He was so good that they recently promoted him. Ge us thankful every day for the government job.
Younger workers cannot even make change. That is because the teaching of basic math is so poor.and vocational courses have been dropped. What companies seem not to realize that students are leaving school with less knowledge than they did thirty years ago because they are not being pushed, not being disciplined. The school district don’t want students to drop out because state funding comes from keeping kids in their seats. The more kids the larger the number of admin jobs and the better the pay package for upper management.
I just found this video and you hit the nail on the head . I have 43 years with the company and they have pulled every one plus a bunch more.They sent coworkers to sabotage my work.They rigged a computer training so there was no way possible i could finish. Each wrong answer every one from cubicles all around would laugh & laugh.Very humiliating.Later at the job i heard my lead person tell our manager over the radio ,Operation Darren was a success. These days i deal with the companys bully that adds "things "to my lunch or coffee when i'm not looking. I despise going to work but i am close to retiring so i stick it out.
I saw something like that at one place I worked. An older worker reported a problem to his manager, and the manager didn’t act. The problem then came to the notice of a VP who wanted answers on why the problem was not being addressed. Management didn’t blame the older man’s supervisor. They told the older man that he should have escalated this up the chain of command until action was taken. Of course, everyone knew that was not how things are done at the company even on paper.
If there is one thing companies (especially software) UNIVERSALLY do, it's allow a bad manager to frame a good employee. There is NEVER any standardized test. It's their word (considered the Gospel) against yours (some nobody in their eyes).
@11:05 I disagree with going to HR and letting them know how you feel. I have found that as an older worker, HR is NOT your friend. It is the enemy. The manager of your department has probably filled in HR already of your plan.
@@howardjones695 Yep, I agree with you too Howard. HR is part of management and they complain about Union members a lot but they sure know how to protect themselves.
So true. As I approached 50 they hauled me in to HR and claimed a salary analysis indicated I was overpaid by close to 30% and they cut my pay on the spot. Their analysis of course was directed at my title rather than what I actually did. Rather than quit, which is what I knew they wanted, I hung on for a few weeks during my next job search. They were very unkind during that time. I did leave to another company that I’ve been with since that recognizes the value of reliability and experience. Funny, I got a call several months later from the former employer asking if I’d consider coming in on a contract basis to handle my old duties as they’d not found anyone suitable to do them. I told them yes and gave them an obscenely high hourly rate. Thankfully I never heard back.
@@joeyoungs8426 Ha! Ha! Ha! Great!!! I had the same experience. I asked my boss if i could work 32 hours instead of 40 because i needed time to take care of my Mom. They (i had 3 boss basically) all said 'no way, it is a 40 hours shift, and bla, bla, bla...' I said ok. The next sunday i worked i put my letter of resignation on my boss chair. They all said 'ok.' i laughed in my beard knowing pretty well, the younger generation are a bunch of slakers, unshowing on fridays and saturdays, so i waited and took jobs left and right waiting... it took 2 months before they called me back and said ''Would you still be availlable to work for 32 hours for us?'' i waited on the phone a little bit, tasting that sweet victory taste, ohhhhh sooooo sweeeeeet!!! lol ;) ''of course i would! Allllllways love to work there!'' lol A bunch of clowns i tell yah. A big bunch of looneys who have no clue what they are doing... lol
For 28 years I was as close to indispensable as any one employee can be, and then I hit my 50’s and I wasn’t! But you know what, I always kept good records and they wanted to clone my knowledge before I left (and knowing where a few of the bodies were buried didn’t hurt either!). I didn’t like their terms for my leaving, so I told them mine and they saw the light! It became a perfect ending to a perfect career!
Makes me think of Bill, a guy i knew who worked maintenance at my university back in the 80’s. They used a paper system to keep track of work orders. Bill learned how to write a program to computerize it. A few months in and no one wanted to go back to the paper system. Bill was in his late fifties. He gave them a compiled version of his program, never the source code. Every so often a message would pop up saying the program needed maintenance, call bill. Bill would recompile it with a new cutoff date. As far as i know he was able to retire there.
I am a senior guy, and I have worked for many companies in all kinds of ways: W2, contractor from another company, temp, even on invoice having my own business. My suggestion to young people is to be loyal to your resume and nothing else. Yes, you always conduct yourself in a professional manner. But the most important thing is to build your resume. No job lasts forever, and in fact, it is best if you move about every so often so as to gain more experience. Companies are always reconfiguring themselves, expanding, and contracting. They have ups and downs. If your resume is strong and varied, then you never have to worry about what a company might do.
50% less cost, 25% less quality. It depends on the industry, but that might be a good trade. I'm getting the serious sense in this thread that the over 50's have no idea how relatively expensive they are. If you're some sort of wonder employee, fine. But I have my doubts
@@juliantheapostate8295I'm 37 and I see companies play these games in other ways. Older workers generally know these systems inside and out, they should use that knowledge to set up businesses that compete. I'm convinced entrepreneurship is the only way to personal liberation.
I worked for Albertsons years ago and their strategy for getting rid of older store and department managers who were getting high pay and benefits was to move them to a store in another state and in a few months, move them again. Of course they would get tired of moving so often so they would quit.
Some HR departments even prepare a stat sheet that shows the respective ages, so they can save themselves from potential lawsuits by portraying the numbers of the people they retained in your age group.
Another one is to deny training that keeps your professional skills up-to-date. I work in IT. In one organisation my training submissions were rejected although approved for staff 20 yrs younger. My training courses were approved at the beginning of the year during the employee goal setting meetings but rejected for numerous weak reasons during the year. I ended up pay for my own training in my own time. This went on for seven years. Of course the company benefited from having my skills up-to-date and from the newly acquired skills in new tech.
I worked for a oil field service company for 34 years before getting cut and replaced by a foreign worker. I can't think of 1 person that actually made it to full retirement age.
I had been at my 'place of employment' for 17 years and was told by my boss that I was getting too old and really should find another job. A short time later, I was terminated. I sued them for age discrimination and won the suit. I guess he shouldn't have said that to me, huh?
If you have it on tape or in writing......or witnesses .....it's great. It sounds like you had the proof..... But age discrimination is very hard to prove.
If you're ever told "We're creating a new position for you" you better start looking. Because it won't be long until that "new position" is eliminated and you along with it.
At 61 I left under my own terms. I sensed they were actually trying to overwork me until I quit from the time I was about 55. Giving me much more work than they thought I could complete on a daily basis. My responsibilities were all the maintenance and inspections on all the Elevators (Approx 30), all maintenance and inspections on all the backup Generators (Approx 30) and all the Fire Alarm and Security Alarm systems Countywide (48 Buildings). They Renamed my position "Life Safety Mechanic". And with very little, if any help or Supervision. They were setting me up to fail. But in my mind they damned sure weren't going to break me. Over those 6 years I got in the best shape mentally and physically in my adult life. They failed and I won, and they knew it. When it came time to retire I visited the Personal Dept for retirement counselling thinking I was going to give them 6 months notice, the Personnel advisor explained I should leave then instead of in 6 months as I had told my department Manager. The advisor pointed out that I had over 6 months of pay for all the Sick leave and Vacation Accrued over the years, so I would get 6 months pay in full as soon as I left and wouldn't have to start collecting my pension until I turned 62. You would not believe the smile I had on my face when I was able to inform that SOB manager of my decision. He got stuck holding the bag for doing my work with no one that was trained or motivated to do so.
My grandson sometimes teases me by calling me, 'old man!' I know he doesn't mean it as an insult. But, if a younger colleague uses that term, well, it wouldn't be cool.
It seems to me that even if you went to your manager or to HR, you're not going to get a straight answer. They can always come up with some excuse. From what I can see, there really is no way to enforce anti-age discrimination laws. And asking what you can do to get promoted the next time won't help. If they don't want you, they don't want you. You're basically screwed.
Asking what you can do to get promoted the next time... Ha ha ha! You can follow their instructions to the letter and it will be something else next time.
The reason this happens is because employees are stripped of their rights and they are being considered unnecessary cost. There are two types of employees, core business employees and everyone else. Core employees are usually in top management and getting rid of them will cause significant disruption in day to day operations. The rest of employees can be replaced by new hires or even outside temp work force. This is a trend that is been going on for last 20-30 years. Employees have no representation and leverage. In addition HR objective is not to protect employee rights but support functions of organization.
Amazing how much our American society has changed over the 59 years I've been alive. My age and older definitely had a different focus and work ethic. Sadly, I don't think what I was taught helps much functionally/substantially with the work ethos now, but ethically I can't give up on it.
Yep, society has changed from the days when at family dinners my Fisher Body employed uncle espoused the notion that we should all work hard and appreciate our job. For the most part, my cousins, brothers, and sisters followed his lead. I am pretty sure it paid off for the employers who benefited from our work ethos. For my family, not so much. Most of them were laid off, fired, or lost their job because their employer moved, closed, or went bankrupt. The only family members who seemed to really benefit from his advice were those who were self-employed or had jobs for life with the government. The lesson I learned is to look out for yourself from day one.
@@joecummings1260 No, my uncle worked at Fisher Body in Euclid, Ohio. If I remember right he later worked at General Motor's Lordstown plant. Sometimes I drive by that huge plant. Sad to see it's also closed.
I'm 68 and I was kinda let go, no actually I was going through the harrassment and I told them to stick it when they threatened to fire me for.......wait for it.........INCOMPETENCE. My good fortune because I was hired as a part-time adjunct instructor by a local community college. My pay is based on my student load which easily averages out to about $75 or more per hour. Good money and more free time.
@@robqwertyuipp8750 one of my missions is to try and train the younger technicians how to troubleshoot the older equipment. They don't teach this type of technology in schools anymore. Every time I talk about re-retiring they get nervous.
In my experience, if the organization wants you out, it will find a reason or concoct a reason to get rid of you, and there is very little you can do about it. You can litigate, but so often the organ simply waits until you run out of money to continue the litigation and consequently you have to end it.
Concoct a reason. You've got that right. What my former employer did to me....I still...to this day...cannot relay...to many. It was so humiliating. I had one lawyer that wanted to go forward. If I had the funds to wager...I would have. I had something much more important to tend to. Laws need to be in place....before we could successfully sue!
You think they are bad, you should understand the new safety officers. Their job is not to make the work place safer, their job is to use the law and science to make the workplace as dangerous as possible without getting caught.
HR people from India, France and England I have worked with are shocked when they come here to the USA. In those countries HR is a very powerful position. I am not sure if it is from the scaricity of jobs in those countries, --just speculation. These HR people can't wrap themselves in the concept HR here is just doing compliance, clerical, and b**ch work. Also, they say HR people there is mostly male; here it is mostly female!
Wage discrimination is a problem as well. An older employee may be a person not necessarily over 50 but someone who has been with a company long enough to wage themselves out of their position. Great video!!
Unfortunately in this pandemic economy, we'll see an increase in people being 'waged out' as companies look to reduce costs. Prior to the pandemic, I believed most people don't wage themselves out of a job. Companies cut employees because they mismanaged expenses and have to cut costs or because they want to squeeze out more profits and they don't mind replacing a good employee with a less efficient and less expensive worker. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
Won't matter... Cycles of abuse span many generations, if not them all. Corporations are just the newest global government empowered form of it. Loss of the best anti trust laws in America sealed it.
I just put my papers in and retired.Called out last two weeks,got my sick ,vacation,comp time,deferred retirement money,and monthly pension. Leaving was the best thing I did.The dept became a total hell hole after I left. Was even told by former coworkers I was missed and the dept was not the same without me.
Like any relationship. If they want you, they’d make every excuse to keep you. If they don’t, they make every excuse to kick you to the curb. Also one person’s reason is another person’s excuse
We had an woman that was in the company for 75 years! she started in High school and became too ill to work age 93. When the company switched over to computers (she was an Executive secretary) the rest of the ladies in her group all retired. Not her!, she said give ma a computer and she mastered it! You will never see that again in a lifetime I'll bet!
It is extremely hard to prove discrimination. I've looked at a few discrimination cases and looked at the data. The end results are most usually in favor of the employer. As long as employers don't have to worry about consequences job discrimination will continue and probably increase.
@@Over50tv Nobody is engaging in Ageism IF (and I repeat, IF) the older people are wealthy and control capital, investment funds, etc. Young people will flock to older investors and look for mentors among those that control capital and land. Yet people continue to submit to a systemic injustice where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer if they think it won't affect them. Their job is "secure" and fine until it isnt. There is no personal solution to a systemic problem.
I worked for a company that set itself a goal: fire 10 percent of the staff every year and replace them with new employees. How does this work? The manager has to pick 10 percent of his staff to tell them that they are incompetent. After a few years, all incompetent employees are gone and then the manager gets picky. At that stage he will prefer younger employees... This will turn the process into a rat race. If you are hired for 40 hours a week and everybody else works 50 hours a week (without extra pay), you will get fired. Next year, everybody works 60 hours and if you work 50 hours, you will get fired. And next year???
Yes what you say is true. I worked in upper management for large well known software company. They called it culling the herd. They had this laughable thing we were supposed to say that we were freeing them to let them succeed at something they were. “ better suited For “. Basically it was people that would not work 24/7 and put personal / family first.
@@ThePNWRiderWA Most companies that claim that they have work/life balance are the opposite. They see claiming to encourage employees to spend non-work time on their families will draw people in but that is all just a lie.
it's called forced ranking or 20/70/10. it was developed by a jerk at GE and considered draconian but still used everywhere. every year mgrs are are forced to pick an employee and screw them even if they're performing well. it is used to target older workers and could be described as "suddenly incompetent" there have been lawsuits over this too.
If you see this coming, look for a company that would really like to hire you for your experience. This happened for me and allowed me to extend my career by six years while being much happier.
Or they'll take you off the schedule without telling you why, hoping you'll get fed up and quit. This happened to me. When that didn't work, they later conjured up a lie to push me out. Working for big businesses in this country sucks bc aged people are seen as too expensive to keep and so are more expendable.
Best thing I ever did was form my OWN company twice the one that lasted the longest was from 93-2003 IT services it was the most rewarding time in my life & the highest paying job! I controlled all accepts ! If I had real problems with customers I would find someone else to take over .that way they still left without hurting the Biz plus the customer still felt served !working for others just SUCKS tried to do in union shops & corporate situations that was the worst. They did all that you mentioned in this video. Still time left at 59 yrs old BUT might take early retirement because nothing really excites me anymore!! Don't know if the rest of you feel this way in our age group ? But I would like to have fun now for a while I still can before health issues start coming my way! None yet.
I was up for a promotion at a job over 20 years ago. I did not get it because according to my boss I was not "young and hip enough". I wok in social services. They thought the young mothers could not relate to me. The young/hip person they hired arrived on her first day of work very late. She didn't make for even a week. So much for young and hip. I've never been late for work a day in my life. 😂😅
@Over50tv My boss was a real piece of work. One of my coworkers was fired/quit. She appealed her unemployment benefits, and our workplace was declared a toxic work environment.
@@metalmike570 I wish sometimes I would have gone to HR or the State Ethics commission just in hopes they would have transferred me somewhere else to shut me up. I had a uniquely bad set of managers so being transferred to standard mediocre ones would have been a step up.
My wife’s job was “eliminated” by a big box retailer. Citing automated processes. It was a Back office position. They did offer placement where there were openings elsewhere. At significant pay reductions. She was the highest paid hourly in the store. And they were shocked when after 27 years she took severance and never looked back. They reshuffled her responsibilities to several others. Next they they gamed the inventory numbers to make it look like everything was smooth sailing just like when they had people like her in place. She scratched her head after she left and said somebody’s playing games with the books. Because she was personally aware of markdowns and other inventory items that were not captured. Finally about four years after they left it all caught up. But by then, The people who had cooked up the scheme, I am sure collected their performance bonus checks and had no doubt got promoted on to their next Assignment. Leaving the poor schmucks to follow up and clean up after them. And try to explain how things worked so well previously. This is a cycle in business, especially corporate business that has went on for many years. You just need to look good on paper get in get out and leave the mess for someone else to clean up. And if that involves ruining somebody else’s career, yeah so what.
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Companies want someone with 25 years of experience, that is 28 years old and will work for half of what the job should pay.
and no pension or healthcare benefits
Funny some 28 yrs old have resume of 25 yrs work
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For free you mean, like a good intern.
And when you point out the fact that the 28 year old with 25 years of experience would have to be 3 years old when they started working they get offended! Just shows the complete lack of intelligence in this younger generation!
I'm 77 and retired. My advice: 1) don't fall in love with the company you work for. 2) always have a plan B 3) develop an alternate income stream 4) save some $$ and invest it in stocks , real estate or start your own business 5) don't spend more than you make 6) if you see a better opportunity elsewhere take it 7) you & your family come first then your employer, not the other way around 8) stay away from large companies, they are the worst.
The day companies changed the name of the Personnel Dept. to Human Resources is the day people became a commodity.
Good Luck!
Very good advice, especially number 3.
All very good advices you have and the best is to stay away from large companies. The larger, the less one can trust anyone from HR. I am very happy to be out of a large employer as it was getting more and more chaotic each day. Also seeing half the workers playing with their cell phones all day and chatting with other lazy workers getting paid high salaries while the white nurses were working like slaves became very repulsive. Now I'm out of it and I'm thoroughly enjoying teaching music and languages from home. They would increase my salary 10 fold and I would smile(smize) and say NoThanks.
9) keep a log of everything illegal or unethical that your employer does--names, dates, times, photos. With smart phones this is easier than ever.
10) Like a samurai who ponders death before each day, ponder lawyering up each day so you won't hesitate when the time comes. Don't be shy, shylocks are for everybody.
I agree 100% after working for big companies all my career, 45 yrs. I am a rarity to have made it to 67 without being purged. But I would not try to do it again. My wife was not so lucky falling victim to age discrimination.
Great advise here. Yes, save some extra money and hone a skill set or start a side hustle during prosperous years. I just clicked off 20yrs at my employment, and it’s getting old anyways. Life’s to short to grind away at the same things. I’ve worked towards my own property portfolio for my soon to be leaving. I agree with another’s comments , HR is a joke, they do not stand for employees, they just enforce company policy.
Had this happen to me. New younger management came in said I didn't fit in with there goals. Their mistake they didn't realize my relationships with our clients. 1 1/2 years later all my clients followed me to my new job. The old company is now struggling and has decreased in size by 50%. I had the last laugh.
Paybacks are a bitch and do true! In China being 35 there is over the hill!😮
Surprised the company did not ask you to return.
Surprised the company did not ask you to return.
Surprised the company did not ask you to return.
@@averagebodybuilderWhy would they?
Bullying is a very common practice also and the "solution" is almost always to get rid of the victim.
I have recently switched gears departing a government entity @ age 55 and just want to say thank you Ann, and the best of Luck to You.
Amen
At AT&T managers like mine got handed their walking papers. My manager did receive full retirement pay and severance pay. I was a craft employee protected by the union.
@@briang.7206Which proves the point unions are actually needed. Despite the fact the companies hate them. They call unions communist and all sorts of names when in fact employers would treat employees like hell if they could. They are actively making these unions a must. Somebody has to protect the common citizens when the states don't.
In over 50 years of working for several companies, both large and small I can honestly tell everyone that NONE of them gave a single crap about the workers. Look out for your own interests folks because nobody else will.
Exactly! Do for you!
Real world--be a conniving sob rather than a "good employee" . If you are good enough at it they may even promote you.
It worked for my direct higher-up...@@lelandsmith2320
Companies are designed to make money. That is all.
Ageism is rampant. I see it everyday.
I see it too. But, truthfully my attitude is it's their problem. It is so very important to believe in yourself and in your skills and talent. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching Over50tv!
@@Over50tv WTH?
@Dennis If a hiring manager/employer discriminates based on the age of a worker or job candidate they lose in the long run and also in the short run. They certainly don't realize it. But I know that the hiring manager/employer will lose out on valuable skills, knowledge, and experience. So it's up to the older person who is being stereotyped to understand that the problem isn't their age. No, in my book that companies' short-sighted hiring practice is the companies problem. So my advice is for the older worker is to move on and find a company where that older worker is considered a solution.
@@joane.3533 Let me explain what I mean when I say ageism is the companies problem. If a hiring manager/employer discriminates based on the age of a worker or job candidate they lose in the long run and also in the short run. They certainly don't realize it. But I know that the hiring manager/employer will lose out on valuable skills, knowledge, and experience. So it's up to the older person who is being stereotyped to understand that the problem isn't their age. No, in my book that companies' short-sighted hiring practice is the companies problem. So my advice is for the older worker is to move on and find a company where that older worker is considered a solution.
@@Over50tv regarding the concluding part of your comment where you cite the solution....those kind of companies are far few in between. To deny that, is to deny reality.
Another thing that I’ve seen happen to older workers is that they are assigned to train someone who is in fact their replacement.
Sadly that happens all the time!
The only time your boss asks for something nicely....
Very true and when you are "training" them, who is going to do your regular production or work? I wouldn't be the best trainer in any case mainly because that isn't what your job is even though if they ask you to do whatever, its part of your job. I saw job descriptions go from 2 or 3 pages from the past year to just 2 sentences the next year. That opens the field for them to have you do anything they ask.
This happened in a large global company I worked for. They wanted to outsource more they said and asked us the workers to work alongside them who would train them. After that redundancy for us. An absolute cheek! Not safe even in a huge concern not even after many years.
Yeah and they base your severance on it too.
Laid off in 2013, have not worked since. On SS since 2015. Now going on 73 and not looking back. I love being in control of my days. Thank God.
I agree! There is nothing better than being in control of your days!
Yes 💯 true.
oh jesus!
First time I ever made it to a jury trial (I use to get called to jury duty EVERY YEAR after I turned 18..) was for a wrongful termination case and the guy was suing his old workplace which was a windshield factory (Lathrop, CA) and they fired him because he was old and been there for decades and he was at a high pay scale. They made up some bullshit and fired him and replaced him with a cheaper/younger (and foreign) worker. We ruled in his favor that he was wrongfully terminated and it was blatant age discrimination.
He got a nice retirement 😎
Sometimes the law does work... maybe 40% of the time in my freaking opinion.
👍👍👍👍
That's Fantastic! Unfortunately, that probably accounts for less than .00001% of the people that get canned.... Good Job! And Wow, Jury Duty every year since 18... OMG... I'm 53 and have NEVER received any notices...
@@Ch1n4Sailor Yeah, it made no sense, the only way it stopped is when I got disabled (spine injury) in a car accident and I told them I’m in a lot of pain sitting in a hard wooden chair for 6+ hours, they finally marked me as disabled and I never got summoned again. But yeah, for like 12 years I got summoned to jury duty 12 times. When I brought it up with the clerk she’d ask me “has it been at least 1 year since you were last summoned?” I’d say “yeah, to the day it’s been exactly 1 year” and she’d say “well then it’s your turn again, we randomly draw your name, tell it to the judge, only he or she can do something about it but they’ll tell you the same thing I told you.”....
So weird, the first time I got summoned was like a month after my 18th birthday and in the jury pool room one of my Mom’s friends was in there and she asked me “aren’t you a little young to be here?”.
@@Ch1n4Sailor - The new thing is to fire someone retroactive to a week earlier.
Shortly after I turned 60 years old, the work dynamics began to change. I was expected to take on more work with less resources to be able to complete that work. As well, my work came under more scrutiny and criticism when the same work before was acceptable with no criticism. Basically, I became a victim of ageism.
Sorry to hear this. Unfortunately, I hear it all the time. Just what employers do when they want to cut costs or cut the employee.
The term "restructuring" is used to move employees around which put more responsibilities on the employees that used to benefit from those who were moved. Then, came the reviews about work quality, production, efficiency etc. and documentation you weren't keeping up. The response from managers would always be "everyone else is keeping up" which of course was a complete lie and lie. Time to make the change and find another job and if you are over 50, its not all so easy regardless of your experience levels. It would usually end up a career change vs. move to another company doing the same thing.
I’m 57 and have experienced almost all of these tactics. As soon as you hit 50 your career becomes dicey. Start planning before it happens to you, it’s not a matter of if but when. This country sucks for this, they keep raising the retirement age so the years your supposed to be bulking up your retirement savings, you suddenly find yourself screwed.
Canada also
IMO. I’m thinking a cultural drift towards greed and selfishness has powered many American corporate boardrooms. Why give American workers or management anything when you can ship the job to India or Communist China for pennies on the dollar. Shareholders ecstatic about cutting costs and increasing shareholder value.
Basically you have about 15-16 years (50-65/66) left to try and keep your income going at a reasonable level until retirement age once you've been dumped. It ain't easy dropping from $54K annually to $15/hour. My favorite pointless application question is "When did you graduate from high school?" If you have a Bachelor's, why do potential future employers need to know about high school......except to date you.
Yep Mexico here we come , and we’re living on the beach in a shack ( it’s not ) all paid for and 300 us a month. 😂😂😂😂😂
What can be done as far as planning?
I work in IT. They don’t even pretend not to discriminate. They straight up fire most workers who are over 50 and then petition the government for H-1B visa workers claiming that there are not any workers here to fill the jobs.
You need to stay up to date on skills and be ready to start your own consulting company when you hit the magic number.
Skills aren't enough. Age bias is real and younger managers resent having older staff.
Lots of us knew we were being conned when the H-1B visa scam went live in the early 90's. Republican lawmakers not only want to remove the requirement to make a faithful attempt to hire an American before offering a job to an H-1B visa-holder, they also want to remove the cap *completely* on the number of H-1B visas able to be issued each year! The treason knows no bounds.
DYSNEY did that couple years ago...they even let the older employees train the new ones from over sea and boom fire them afterwards. It was law suit and the older employees vin but I bet they never find job in same town ...it was on tv
Time to band together for a class action suit.
@@TheUtuber999 You know what really IS getting old? Fabricated claims that Republicans want hire H-1B visa-holders over American workers. www.visalawyerblog.com/senate-republicans-introduce-bombshell-bill-targeting-the-h-1b-and-l-1-visa-program/
Interesting video, but one thing I take exception to is going to HR. HR is no longer there for the employee's benefit, they just report back to your hiring manager and you will be shooting yourself in the foot, so to speak. I've seen that so many times.
Bingo.
Yes. They interrogate you so they can later use it against you. They are there to make sure everything is "legal"
Seahorse 56 I so, so agree! They are working for the company not you. If they tried to help a worker they'd be thrown out the door.
Agree 100%. I think talking about this to ANYONE in the company is risky. Don't ask your co-worker why you are being left out of meetings. That can backfire when the co-worker realizes you're on deathwatch and, seeking to protect themselves, starts tattling on you to the boss.
@@pinkpearl1967 I don't understand how those people can sleep nights. No ethics soever, What possible values can they pass on to their kids? That the world is a terrible place and you'd better toughen up? Why bother living like that? What possible kind of pleasure can people with those values get from life?
I was aged out of a job once, found another job and now I'm their most valuable employee.
When the Manager knows you can do a better job than the manager, he or she will make it difficult for you , hoping you will leave.
Most managers are not good at the jobs they manage or oversee.
In this case it is the failure of the top management who could not see your capability. In such situations leave the job ASAP and get upgraded elsewhere.
@@samirbhalerao5579Easy to say leave when you have given them many years. If you go to a new job you need 2 years there or you have less workers rights.
@@samirbhalerao5579UK that is not sure in USA.
@@janetmalcolm6191 if you have a good contact at management level, than your thought pattern will work....else..
There is no longer any dignity or humanity in our economy. The second its convenient a company lays people off.
for the exact same reason people go to the station with the cheapest gas.
@@carryclass6807 Explain dude.
It's good for people who work in government and those who collect government pensions they do not have to compete the economy is rigged to benefit them
Simple solution: GIVE THAT COMPANY KARMA! TELL YOUR PRESIDENT NOT TO GIVE THAT PRIVATE COMPANY BAILOUTS AND NO COVID-19 FIANCIAL ASSISTANCE WHICH AMERICAN COMPANIES ALWAYS STEALS TO LINE THEIR POCKETS!
@@carryclass6807 NOT same compairison! ALL GAS Starts Out From the SAME Place - Just the Special Additives that may be a difference.
Im 32 but I've seen that all companies care about anymore is closing loopholes that prevent an employee from suing the company. That's all its about anymore.
Sad but true. So take charge. Learn a new high-income marketable skill that will put YOU in the driver's seat.
its called arbitration Shanghai
Lord help you if you are injured on the job...! Big Corporations donate to Governors political races for protection from liabilities...most Workmans Compensation Boards...Administrative Law Judges on these Boards serve at the PLEASURE of these Governors...so likely they will deny an employee's claim because if they do not...the Governor's will remove them...! CORRUPTION at the most BASIC LEVEL...! Governors want to please their donors...and give their State the appearance that they are BUSINESS FRIENDLY...! I know first hand...this experience...permanent injury...ZERO COMPENSATION...! Even though the Judge ruled in my favor...the Commission OVERRULED HIM...! These Companies look upon YOU as EXPENDABLE...!!!
Well they've really been this way about 25 years, I remember from when I was a lot younger and it was one of these corporate controlled companies, but of course now they fire after checking to the freaking max with the corporate level. It just takes almost a week longer so you keep working and then one day they let you go (when you least expect it)!
True words
Yes, my job was "Eliminated", but they hired someone younger and did the exact same work that I used to do with a minor title change. I was also bullied for a year and a half, but HR did nothing about it.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen or heard stories of younger workers replacing older workers for the same pay. What the company fails to realize is what they lose in terms of experience and dedication. Not to mention the added cost of training and retraining someone else. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
is there no recourse? is the eeoc just a bunch of cheerleaders?
HR is there for management, not employees!
@@jeanc819 hr are for employees, they suppose to make sure the work environment is not hostile by resolving problems.
@@geemcgraff8281 ha ha ha. Best joke I heard today. HR are the junkyard dogs for corporate.
Not only do people without experience accept lower pay and declining work conditions, they are willing to accept lower standards and short cuts which increase profits while decreasing the quality of what ever the product is. As a nurse for 43 years, it is downright scary.
I’m a retired nurse you are absolutely right.
Another retired nurse. So true.
In my opinion HR is not there to protect the employee. They are there to protect the company. I have worked at a number of large firms and have seen this behavior play out repeatedly over the last 30 years.
HR works for the company.
That’s as plain as a pikestaff
Ahem,...be advised,...HR is not operating in your interest. They exist to prevent the company from getting into legal trouble. (Addendum: I received so many comments I'll add this: DOCUMENT everything. Print out and safe-keep "important" e-mails, which show your kudos and when you tried to improve/correct company shortcomings. If court action becomes necessary, your hard copy will prevent the, "...all company e-mails were lost when our Server crashed"... excuse.) P.S. Since the comments keep coming let me add this, beware of EVERYTHING you say. ALL conversations with HR are recorded.
Damn right - HR is ONLY for the company...they are NEVER for you or your benefit...I can guarantee that.
HR are the new and biggest Empire builders, for themselves!
@@garyhornet6031 In my 28.5 years I worked at this company we ONLY had about 2 decent HR people....the rest were only about protecting themselves AND the company. I remember the last one - she was the worst. First of all, she was fat as TWO whales...not one. Divorced - ha!..that showS you how "good" she was with handling people. Would NEVER answer a question directly. Would always refer to you to the head corporate help-line. I mean, she NEVER ONCE answered a question....even the simplest ones. This was the same experience EVERYONE had with this blob of blubber...not just me. Warning - her name was Sue....so RUN if you work at a company with this "beached whale".
That is why it is called the "Human Remains Department"
HR is never your friends.
So true! After nearly 28 years of never taking time off work, working crazy shifts to meet quota, skipping vacations, etc., I started to be edged out. I was written up for the first time in 28 years and asked to sign it; I refused. I realized that with each passing day, they were building a case against me, for one thing or another. It was miserable showing up for work. One day a manager slipped and mentioned that another long-term worker was fired instantly. That was my cue; I knew I would be next and lose all the benefits I had worked so hard for over the years if I waited to be fired. I was going to be 62 in a couple of months so, I marched over to my desk and put in a retirement notice that very day! Who wants to hang around a place where you are not wanted? I haven't looked back since; these have been the happiest 5 years of my life! I got all my benefits and do not have to work for anyone but myself now! God is so..... good!
After 28 years on the job and you get a write up. Ridiculous. Good riddance to them.
Oh jesus! I hope you understand what is the most important thing for you
Never put an ounce of loyalty to your employer, just do your job like everyone else do.
So we'll stated!
They will demand absolute loyalty to the company, but that's a one-way street.
If TH-cam cancels Lou's channel then i guess he was too old & needed to be put out in the geriatric pasture
It's hard to be motivated to work hard when your coworkers are just going through the motions. But, I still think you should always do your best and work on a backup plan.
Like anything else, loyalty is earned. My former employer earned a degree of loyalty from me when they did right by me when my wife had cancer. I never had an issue getting a day off o n short notice.
Things changed there however and by the time I quit it was obvious that the company no longer had their employees backs.
I once worked for a medical device research company, hired by the CTO, a cardio thoracic surgeon, intent on creating a dynamic, professional team. I had experience in medical diagnostics research, and was very good at creating and implementing successful research studies. When I arrived, the current study team was in disarray, and I was routinely assigned every difficult, impossible client that no other Study Coordinator would touch. Within months, I not only had each study turned in the correct direction, but I was able to draw in further business, increasing repeated quarterly profits. Despite this, my manager and Director both treated me as if I was barely tolerable, because it was the CTO who requested me to be hired. BTW - I had only met the guy during my interview.
After a year, I applied for an opening in the company that further matched my education, training & experience. I was turned down by an evil Director, in favor of a much younger coworker, being told that I lacked “the proper skill set.” The other company Directors, and the CTO, asked me why I hadn’t applied for the position, and were quite surprised to find out that I had, but the application had been suppressed. I began planning my exit over the next 8 weeks.
The day before I planned to submit my resignation letter, I was called into a ‘meeting’ with a HR rep, my immediate Supervisor, and my new Director (not the evil one), who had just come back into town from a family vacation. He had been as blindsided as I was about what was about to happen. I was being laid off. The HR rep discussed my compensation package, had a final fat check, etc. When he said I was taking this news amazingly well, I first asked if he could hand me the ‘exit’ packet, and when it was in my hands, I calmly told him of my plan to tender my resignation the following day, and leave pre-clinical research in favor of clinical research. He was shocked. My very sad Director, sitting across the table from me, snapped his head up, shouting “Congratulations! You best them at their own game!” I knew I was being laid off (fired) because I was older. I didn’t boss anyone around; I went out of my way to keep my head down, while also helping coworkers when they needed help. I brought in soooo many studies, funded by venture capital money. All of my clients raved about my detail to attention, which helped move their products forward in development. For example, within 1 hour of my leaving the company, my supervisor called me at home, telling me that a client of mine had sent a box of chocolate-covered strawberries and a massive edible arrangement (fruit artistically cut to resemble a bouquet of flowers), along with a thank-you card, to me for the work I had done to successfully fast-track their medical device research for FDA acceptance. I requested that these delicious items, and the thank-you card, be placed in the employee break room for them all to enjoy, as something good had to happen from a very bad day. Yep, I was one out of several ‘over-50’ people let go (laid off/fired) over the next 6 months. The company folded a few years later. My clients had already fled to our competitor.
BTW - The much younger person, who possessed the unspecified ‘skill set’ I lacked, but was necessary for the position I failed to get? She left the company about a year after getting the position. She went to work for one of our clients, but was fired in less than a year for lying/falsifying records that were submitted to the FDA. Yup, it was confirmed.....I lacked the skill set that required lying about research results.
A Wonderful story. Thanks!
You are a hero. 😊
I would really like to communicate with you as I have the same background. Are you formally retired now or working?
@@aviewer9516 When I left that company, I moved away from medical devices and transitioned over to biotech (years earlier I worked in biotech research, developing blood diagnostic assays), assuming the job as a Licensing Associate. I negotiated contracts for both ‘in-licensing’ intellectual property (IP)used in our products, as well as ‘out-licensing’ IP of our patented technology. I also calculated the royalties owed for such technologies. Side note: If one comes up with a unique invention, or method for doing something, please patent it ASAP. I am amazed at the value of the royalties generated. Very cool job; I enjoyed ‘meeting’ like-minded folks from around the world, sharing life experiences, etc. via emails while negotiating contracts. I’ve been retired for about 9 years now. I’ve seen a number of the medical devices make it through the long journey to commercial use: CoolSculpting, venous stents, a sleep apnea device, gastric banding, IVC filter (this was actually used on my brother), tendon repair devices, spinal spacers, etc. Although there was strong FDA oversight of our studies, I’m certain that standards have only increased with time. I miss the stimulating camaraderie, as retirement runs at a slower pace.
I worked for a clinical-trial software company. We produced "SaaS" software that helped run clinical trials, with a focus on at-home/outpatient trials utilizing iPhones and Apple Watches. I caught them losing clinical trial data as a result of technical debt/incompetence and attempting to "re-create" it using other data (not 100% accurate) and not telling their customers or the FDA. I worked hard to try to improve things as a newly hired lead engineer, but was ultimately let go within a year. I was only 36. It wasn't ageism, it was because I was competent. The company didn't want to slow down sales (features) and do things properly, they wanted everyone on board to push sales while brushing technical issues under the rug.
My boss made me fire a young co-worker. He didn't have the guts to do it himself. The co-worker was only 18 years old and very green. On our weekly payday, my boss handed me three paychecks. One for me and two for the co-worker. When I handed the co-worker two checks, I assumed he knew what that meant. Don't we all? He thought the second check was a bonus. I had to explain to him that he is being terminated and the second check was his final check. When he finally realized that he is being fired from his job, big tears started rolling down his cheeks. That was a reaction I was not expecting. He had just purchased a new motorcycle and was concerned how he will make the payments. I felt very bad. But I was really pissed at my boss for dumping that unpleasant chore on me.
I'm 60. I earned a graduate degree in HR along the way. Been through all this you're saying. I'm writing a book about it.
I look forward to reading it
get some dirt on your boss. if they pick on you send your boss a monthly prescription to a Gay website & have it mailed to the job, someone else will see it & spread the rumor & change his profile
I have a feeling your book will be a best seller!
Congratulations... hope it becomes a movie wit a guy like Jason Statham so he can kick HR's ass and the stupid management too!
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Do not complete any periodic "employee satisfaction" surveys. If you do, say glowing things they want to hear. Employers easily track those surveys back to your IP address, even though they claim they are "anonymous".
@@acajudi100 What does your post have to do with getting rid of older workers???
@@acajudi100 Moron.
Very good advice I wish EVERYONE would follow. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
Absolutely correct. Nothing is 'anonymous'. Lie in your response and let them think how much you love whatever the company is doing. Remember, the company owns everything you do during work hours, including 'anonymous feedback'.
@@BakoSooner Gotta agree 100% with your advice! Thank you!
I was let go at 56 working there for 11 years. I am 61 now and can’t get a job that pays a third of what I was making.
Yes and Reform want to make it get a job within just a few months or no benefit. Not easy to get a job as you get older. This is very bad
I am in IT and 90% of my coworkers have been outsourced to H-1b visa holders from India. The few Americans left are buried in work. They flat out told us we are over paid and will NEVER get another raise. Yes, we are being compared to the new third world workers.
Welcome to 2001.
I've personally seen home depot do it. I overheard a district manager say they needed to look into ways of getting rid of same of the "overpaid" folks. They just begin writing you up for insignificant garbage, then after 3 write ups they fire you.
I as a customer noticed that HD is going down due to hiring "young, inexpensive, inexperienced milenials" that don't know about nothing about remodeling, construction, electricity or even basic common sense.
I worked for a telecom company, they laid off 70 employees so the executives could get their 6 figure bonuses. The rich have no shame.
Nothing surprises me. To quote Carl Fox from the movie Wall Street: "The rich have been doing it to the poor since the beginning of time. The only difference between the Pyramids and the Empire State Building is the Egyptians didn't allow unions. I know what this guy is all about, greed.
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Same exact thing happened to me. The company furloughed half the staff in April and then permanently laid off in September due to "lack of work in the shop". Miraculously though there was enough of a yearly profit to give all upper management their annual bonus.
@@OutspokenOkie I see this happening in retail now. Retailers I follow are operating with a skeleton staff so quarterly earnings look good. It'll come back to bit them or they'll sell to a larger company.
AT&T is infamous for this.
One place I worked, the upper managers in the department were all promoted. They then told our contractors that there wasn’t money to pay them in full, and offered half pay. Most accepted the offer which continued for the rest of the year.
All of the layoffs at my company are over 50, and they turn around an hire two 20 year olds to replace them. Shame on them, and those who turn a blind eye.
Drew I don’t doubt it. Unfortunately data shows people over 50 have been bearing the brunt of layoffs in the last 6 months.
@doubleheadergr Paybacks are a mofo, these companies get what they chose so who needs them.
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And they like the young women and try to get them as side chick, or side dudes seen it, don't want no old gsls that are hitting the wall, but remember the same thing will happen to them, the only person that has a secure job is an 80 year old heart surgeon, get it ?😮
Unfortubately, nobody in college or anywhere in your career tells you this will happen. We are all extremely naive about age discrimination and the real length of our professional lives. I always tell young people to "run like mad" from graduation to age 50. They need to have a realistic perspective of what the length of their professional life will be. "Accomplish what you need to accomplish, professionally and financially, before you are 50, anything over and above that, is extra. Not guaranteed"
No young person is going to think that way. When you’re young, you don’t think you’re going to get old until it creeps up on you; by then, it’s too late!
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Older workers are better workers. They take less time off, they are more responsible and have less personal distractions. You can delegate things to them and not worry about whether its going to get done or not. They are also more focused on customer satisfaction. But, they are usually better compensated. This is where the rub is with companies only interested in the bottom line that don't care about customers.
It's been my personal experience that older workers produce less, take more time off, and are the highest paid.
Yep, we get shit done!
Young or older they are the same. If someone is going to work they will work no matter the age. I work with people for 25yrs that should have been fired for coming in late and attendance. But i will say the younger generation is worse as a whole.
@@AaronHorrocks not in any company I've worked for. Younger workers have baby drama and day care troubles, sick kids constantly. You hire 18-34 year olds you better be ready for the shitstorm of sick days and leaving early days to happen. It's like you hire them but really you ate hiring their whole family. Lol
@@Gypsygirl9 "My Personal Experience" was more geared to Gen X vs Boomers.
I've rarely worked with Millennials, or Gen Z
Been working for myself since i was 58, 64 now and still at it. Figured out how to make money on my own. Senior discrimination is uncommon until it hits you, then you see it. I like what I do and I won't work for nothing so being self employed is working for me. I stay as busy as I want.
Excellent! I like to hear this. Thanks for the comment.
To get rid of me my employer stated handing out crap jobs / assignments to complete.While giving easy jobs to younger workers.
if you have proof of this (job description) you could bring that to court. But of course, almost no one have the ressource for that... and they know.
... and yet our presidents are far well OVER 50!
Hell...the new one is senile.
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 He's not senile, and he acts like a grown up compared to the senior child we have currently.
@@essentialone3934 No...he's senile. I'll take the senior child. I am however looking forward to making fun of the senile old coot and complaining about how he and that Camel are going to wreck this country though. It'll give me something to bitch about. Gotta have a hobby ya know...
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 trump was an absolute miracle! Who could've killed 315,000 americans and got away with it? I pray to trump and things happen! trump is like a living god, if you have an enemy just say a few quick prayers to trump and before you know it that person is suffering the torments of hell. trump was also great at fulfilling the white races secret agenda!! Too bad he got fired, well I'm sure he will start a civil war from the sidelines though, right?
@@jeremyserwer2586 Oh man...here is it comes again - Trump started the virus, Trump is responsible for the virus, it's all trumps fault. Dude - get a new record...your old is broken. Why don' t you pray to your liberal/Dem god George Soros? Isn't that what you libs and Dems do?
I went through this 4 years ago bit by bit by bit.
I watched them do it in stages to the point where they made false complaints about my attitude and abilities.
I wasn't the only one either.
What they try to do is stitch you up too. After the age of 36 people dont want you around anymore.
Sadly, I've heard this same story many times. I always find it interesting that younger co-workers are so much wiser than people older than them. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
Now-a-days, employees are fired after only 3 or 4 days of "evaluation." This evaluation centers in on one single question" "Will the company make or lose money if the employee stays? If the answer is lose (or the employee fails to make money), the employee will be fired the very next day, summarily and on-the-spot, with the employer invoking at will firing, freeing them from even having to give the fired employee any kind of reason.
@@Rickwmc I am not saying this policy doesn't exist but I haven't recently seen or heard of people being fired that quickly or abruptly. I'll keep my eyes open. Thanks!
I agree. I had these experiences at younger age in my 30’s. I found new people in the country got the job with lessor pay.
I agree. I had these experiences at younger age in my 30’s. I found new people in the country got the job with lessor pay.
For anyone in their 30s or 40s watching this--heed the warning. Your days in your current career are numbered. Make sure you have a plan in place. Keep your finances in order, and skills and references up to date.
Get a government job, impossible to get fired.
@@mrbit-cz9pl yeah also impossible to get a government job unless you fit a certain demographic
@@mrbit-cz9pl yeh..and just as impossible to get too. Lol
Thank you, I don't take this warning for granted.
@@mrbit-cz9pl Piss off the wrong person in government and you can be fired real easily.
I looked for older workers for my office when I was in business. They were dependable, honest, and hard-working. Small businesses, many times, will hire an older person with a good record.
As a business owner I did the same thing and still do. Older workers have skills, experience and a good work ethic. Thanks for the comment.
I suggest that people continue learning new skills after getting a job. A person should always be in planning mode for the next phase of their life. Resume updated, side hustles...Your only loyalty is to yourself. Cover your butt.
Elle Shaw Absolutely, positively 100% correct with a special emphasis on learning new skills while you are employed. Thank you for watching Over50tv!
As a supervisor, I’ve never had anyone quit who didn’t already know their value on the marketplace, and didn’t have a solid network to fall back on. The guys who really wanted to stay, on the other hand, were not looking out for themselves, and were unprepared for layoffs. No matter how comfortable you may be in your current job you need an exit strategy. I’ve always asked myself how prepared I would be if I were laid off tomorrow, and I try to encourage the same in the people who work for me.
I would be careful about going to HR. Remember, HR 1st serves management. They can give you an open ear, and give you advice, but their paycheck comes from management, not from you. They will NOT be honest with you, if you think they will be, you are naive.
Yes... The whole idea of "HR" hasn't set well with me, since it became a 'thing'... The term has put the picture of some kind of weird, George Orwell type "farm" in my mind, where there are drone workers 'harvesting' Humans out of the ground, only to throw them into some kind of horrible machine, never to be seen or heard from again.
Drastic?
@@slicksnewonenow You want HR to be forced to be on the employee's side? PAST A LAW THAT ALL HR's SALARIES AND WAGES AND CHECKS WILL BE COMING FROM UNIONS AND REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INORDER TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEES AND POLICED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. That is the hidden secret of FDR's new deal that all Personnel Department's salaries and wages and checks will be coming from the UNIONS and under heavy government regulatory policing. Unfortunately this secret policy was destroyed in the 1960s and nobody paid any attention to it, especially when a group of Liberal Democrats started destroying all of the original self-policing regulatory policies of FDR is when everything went into the toilet.
In the 1970s , a wave of young liberals. Bill Clinton among them, destroyed the populist Democratic Party they had inherited from the New Dealers of the 1930s. The contours of this ideological fight were complex, but the gist was: Before the 70s, the Democrats were suspicious of big business. They used anti-monopoly policies to fight oligarchy and financial manipulation. Creating competition in open markets, breaking up concentrations of private power, and protecting labor and farmer rights were understood as the essence of ensuring that our commercial society was democratic and protected from big money.
much like giving a court deposition Its intent is to discredit you!
100% correct! But an important and good reason to go to HR is so you can document.
If you go to HR you're probably already effed....... maybe if you're a man go dressed as a woman and make a complaint cause that's the only chance you got!
This is too insidious to even try fighting. I wouldn’t want to stay at a company that doesn’t value what I bring to the table. We older pros who are progressively keeping up with the latest and greatest need to start our own damn companies!
if you aren't bringing the lowest salary, you're out!
Companies don't care about that, just the money they can cut.
When my department closed and split there duties I was placed into a different department. I have done well there but no way to go up at my age. Nothing to go up to. I was a group leader in my old department. But they come to me once in a while for information because of my time at the company
EXACTLY
You come to the stage when you are just waiting for the pension age to roll around. So are they , incidentally, but they can up their pension by screwing you.
I had a manager give me a pearl of wisdom that has served me well over the years.
Who documents, wins.
Make it a habit to quietly journal with time, date, and name any and all those 'digs' you've gotten used to over the years.
Save every email, both digitally and printed hardcopy.
Keep your training, certifications, and resume updated.
Never bank vacation, or sick leave.
And always, always, always remember that HR is not for your protection, they work for the company.
Then if you believe you have a case, get an attorney, and sue.
Great advice, but why not bank your benefit hours? At least up to the payout limit, assuming there is one. I find if you're always taking time off as soon as it's available you look like a slacker.
I've documented....out of dismay. Kind of like journaling...as I begin to hit the hiccups. I'm always horrified....but do document. And now, thankfully, I am hip to the tactics of HR...and bullying tactics of coworkers. Are we having fun yet?? I most certainly will be downsizing.
Thanks Lou! I was hired by Target for a seasonal position in late October 2020 and thought for sure that they'd keep me on based on my good work ethic and the rather "low bar" expectations (showing up on time for example) they had for keeping people on as described to me by a long term employee early on. I'm in my late 50s and admit the physical demands of the job caught me by surprise. But I didn't make excuses and kept up. I could see that I was working as hard or harder, as quickly or more quickly than others doing the same kind of work I was doing. But it always seemed like it wasn't enough to satisfy. The lack of moral support for my efforts was a very passive/aggressive way of discouraging and dispiriting me I believe. Then the demands on my time became greater and greater. It wasn't enough that I had too many carts of products to shelve in a given period of time. I was also expected to drop everything and work the check outs too or re-shelve returned items all over the store at a moments notice. I didn't see all other employees expected to do the same. Most just went about their business with calm steady work while I was scrambling like there was no tomorrow! I was also told to take on tasks that really strained my aging body like pulling all the holiday candy from the backs of floor level shelves to the front - Target sells an insane amouint of holiday candy and this was a big task! But I did it and did it well despite my age but there was no appreciation. By the way, if you drop everything to work checkout and are forced to neglect your assigned duties your told "I appreciate you" by a junior manager when you are allowed to leave checkout. BS!!! Target uses a walkie-talike system for managers to communicate with workers. I admit there were a few times when I didn't hear the walkie calls. But I learned that many other workers don't hear or understand those calls either. Target can be a noisy place! To sum it up on December 30, 2020 a junior manager took me aside and told me that it was the time of year that Target starts to trim the seasonal staff and that I wouldn't be scheduled for any more hours than I had already seen. I simply said "That's too bad" and went back to work. I had felt the fix was in for one reason or other for many weeks. Was it may age? Or was it the fact that an older experienced worker with a college degree and other certifications was a possible threat to the younger and greener management teem there? What ever the case I believe I was set up to fail. Target is a great place to shop but not such a great place to work if your over 50. To wrap it up I worked with a woman who had been in charge of women's clothing. They hired someone younger and prettier for that position and the older woman has been reassigned to cart cleaning ever since. Btw, cart cleaning means always having sanitized carts ready for every shopper which is actually brutal work when it's crazy busy at Christmas time. So the next time you think about shopping or working at Target I would think twice about it if I were you... (Target location: Talking Stick Way, Scottsdale, AZ).
Thanks for mentioning your experience. I will add Target to my list of companies I boycott.
I boycott companies that don’t pay their staff fairly and treat their older workers like garbage. It’s my small contribution to society.
We all should do it. There are always other options to shop elsewhere.
@@josephj6521 Thank you and all the best to you!
Pink people discriminating against pink people@
Older workers - although they often sense warning signs - are too often subjected to "sledgehammer-in-the-face" terminations. They come into the office or the assembly line one morning at 8:30 or 9 AM, get called into the HR or supervisor's office at about 10 am and get fired in as short as two minutes. The next minute, they find themselves stumbling out the front door in a state of shocked disbelief, panic, despair and fright. Nobody says a kind word to them nor even pays attention to their exit because, of course, each employee is only paying attention to their own job security and salary.
Spartaculus Jones so true. But my job actually lets you work the whole day, thinking everything is fine. Using you one more day then axes you right before quitting time . They have a security guard waiting at the door , and one more humiliating act of having to be escorted off the premises.
@@snowbunny1285 Sorry for your unfortunate ordeal. The damn guard is adding insult to injury. Good luck
Much the same experience for me at 57 after 31 years. However, the younger manager they hired to replace my boss quickly got fed up with being made to fire everyone who new the product line and history. He quit within about six months and went back to where he came from.
@@snowbunny1285 Well the guard is really there in case you want to go wring someone's neck, he'll try to stop you!
Yes the guards are also doing a job as told.
Ageism is rampant - and not a damn thing can be done about it. In a “corporations are always right” country, even obvious cases aren’t easily prosecuted...
All it takes is a ton of money and a paper trail you don't have and that the far better attorneys they can afford would make mincemeat out of even if you could.
do something about it. start your own business and hire just old people, give them tenure and a big salary. we will see how it works out for you. i am old let me know and i will send you my resume.
@@carryclass6807 The only real road to independence is learning a high-income skill or starting a side hustle that can turn into a full-time money-making gig. The trick is to do both while working for someone else. That way you have something to look forward to and/or fall back on.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 It's a shame the five-member EEOC commission doesn't take Ageism seriously.
Thats because people vote for republicans. They are brainwashed.
Happened to me at age 39: one of my slightly younger co-workers and I were the most senior employees and were let go simultaneously due to "a lack of work". Both of us knew how to hold contractors accountable to the specifications and regulations. At the time, neither of us knew the other was gone. Four months later both of us were employed by new companies and happened to meet in an industry training class. In the same class were THREE new college age employees from our old company who were hired to replace us. Basically, our competence was replaced by inexperience. That move proved to me the value of my knowledge and experience, which was rewarded by my new employer.
The time between 50 and 65 are the years when you are put on the hit list for being cut from your job. It happen in all companies in the US. Forget about going to the HR department like this video suggest because it will almost never help! Always network and look for other opportunities outside your company. Don’t feel you owe your current company loyalty because after 50 they don’t appreciate your loyalty! Look out for yourself.
I am 46 years old and in my last job I experienced several of the things you mentioned in this video. I am unemployed right now. I am considering to have several sources of income especially having my own busyness. The idea is not to depend of only one source of income and at the same time I will try to practice some minimalism. God bless you all.
So if you ever felt guilty about quitting you're job because they been good to you... remember this video.
This is very very true. You owe YOURSELF and your family loyalty, you owe your employer a good solid 8 hours of work per day and not anything else.
@@GrannievoreI had a boss who asked who do you value more your job or your family. After many things going wrong with her and me bending backwards for her all the time I took her to a tribunal and won. Some managers just can't manage properly and forget employment law!
I'm 70 years old and I'm an 'irrigation tech.' I like to keep working to bulk up my retirement savings. What happens to me when I apply with a company is that during the initial interview because I don't look my age I am enthusiastically welcomed onboard. However, when I hand in my application suddenly I can't be hired because my age makes me a liability for injury. I laugh at this because whenever I work for a company it turns out I don't get injured and I am actually in better shape than most of the younger guys. And I don't miss work because of family problems or hangovers - I am super reliable. It's really a discouraging grind going from interview to interview until finally I get a job.
Laid off due to covid. Told was coming back. Didn't happen. Found my old job posted as two separate jobs. Imagine that. I worked for two years doing two jobs with no evaluation nor raise. Loved that job. Who's the fool?
I had a similar experience.
story of my life.... we grow into these jobs and then it takes 2 to be able to handle it emotionally.... without being "too much"... and "this ain't worth it".
@@gonicjon i hear you clearly.
Why not write them a letter stating what you just wrote, and then cc the EEOC
I am sorry to hear that happened to you. Unfortunately, it happens all the time. And, sadly it could happen again. My best advice is to not give up. Either learn a new high-income skill or start a side hustle while you are working for someone else. That way you have something to look forward to and/or fall back on. Lastly, you are not a fool. You are certainly wiser from the experience.
I figured out something about employees in my lat 20's. They can't fire you, cut your hours, not give you a raise if you own the company. It's been working well ever since.
The other way they do it is through “change”. Constant change just for the sake of change degrades the older worker’s skills.
This happened to me in the government job that I used to have five years ago before I was forced to retire. Policies and procedures were changed at the drop of a hat - for any reason, or often no reason, just so some senior manager could justify his or her job. You'd get used to doing something a certain way and then boom! it would all change. On top of that, the employer had impossible work standards. While using ancient, defective and obsolete tools, you'd be expected to close a file nine months or less after it was assigned to you while new files were continuously being dumped on you. And then the employer threw roadblocks in the way that made it difficult to clear the files.
If you couldn't meet these overly exacting standards, and do your job with 150% perfection, you were deemed to be at fault.
My manager retired and his manager left the area. The new manager blatantly mentioned how I was one of the highest paid employees in the department. Then the nitpicking started. And requests for documentation on all the things that I did. Then my job was eliminated about a year later. 61 now a year later and still feeling shell shocked due to the abuse and harassment. Covid came and I am still not working but not looking either.
Hit 62 go on SS and enjoy life
Who can retire when there are no pensions and the great recession wiped out any 401k's or savings. There is a constant war going on to take away any form of retirement by the greedy 1%.
Same thing happened to a customer of mine. Funny thing was he had been with the company since it started and bought a ton of stock when it first started and the entire time he worked there. The day he was forced to quit he threatened upper management that if he suddenly dumped his stock (his holdings being worth over a million) it would badly damage the company for a short time, others would dump their stock as well. He made enough noise that his new (and worthless) manager was driven out shortly after he left. He didn't need that job, he loved the company he spent so long at and helped to grow.
@Lone Ranger Oh yeah, companies want people at eachothers throats in general, it keeps them from wanting better treatment.
@@eb6195 Never work for a company without a pension. If you have to , consider it a temp job and find better skills, etc. on their nickel and then bail out.
Like Patton said something like I am not here to die for my country. I am here to make my enemies die for their country. You do not work to make your employer rich, you work to make you rich.
I enjoy getting told that I am stubborn, old fashioned, not progressing, etc Then when a younger and supposedly more productive co worker flames out and gets fired, it is "necessary" that I take over their tasks in addition to my own. Makes a guy just want to retire early and leave them hanging.
Good attendance, annoys/hated by them just as much as any other
positive work qualities you have
it goes against their fake narrative that says your productivity is horrible
they are just masking their discrimination
Yes. I worked with people much younger than me and they did not work, I seemed to be doing everything and I ended up frustrated and stressed to the maximum. So I had to make changes so that my co-workers no longer took advantage of me. The last time I had a job where everyone there was really working was in 2001.
Been there, had that done to me. I was replaced with someone making 40% less. Same job.
And they could do 25% of the job
The company thought you were 40 percent overpaid. Lol.
Yep, my job was eliminated, along with about 80 other legacy works, our company was taken over and it was downhill from there, they began hiring kids fresh out of college with no experience, and put them in charge, it was not a pretty thing, some of these kids started showing signs of anxiety and depression, they were totally stressed out, before leaving I had to train some of these kids to do my job at half the salary, they did drag out my departure, I finally made the decision to leave, I felt so liberated, I decided to retire early and start my own business, I don't envy the young, they are being abused by their employers.
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I am 74yrs old and I still work. I work for the city, I am in the union, I make over $60,000 a year, I get my Social Security, and I'm good. I am in charge of my job position, I am respected for my knowledge of the job, all the overtime I want, and I hope to retire in two more years. I'm good! I am so glad I took a city job, that so many people didn't want at one time. All the guys with the degrees pass these jobs over, and look for the corporate jobs with the perks. This is a dirty job, working around trains, tracks & signals, all kinds of weather, no nice desk with a terminals and computers. Dirty work, all kinds of hours working, but it pays well and is secure, with benefits.
It must be an interesting job, though. Anything to do with true public service is definitely worthwhile. Merry Christmas Wallace and good luck with your well deserved retirement when you are ready, sir :)
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Government jobs pay less than private industry, but a lot more security when you are an older worker.
Thanks for sharing your story. My son-in-law was the lead carpenter for a small suburb outside of Cleveland. He loved the job and was good at it. He was so good that they recently promoted him. Ge us thankful every day for the government job.
@@raybod1775 Until they go on a "reengineering" or "privatization" binge.
I was told “we’re going in a different direction “. I was replaced by a 25 year old.
Ridiculous treatment. Made even more ridiculous because I've heard this story too many times.
Ok boomer
@@Ruffles2012 Words that will go do in infamy. Lol.
@@Ruffles2012 everyone gets old, a lot faster than you think
You got priced out
Suddenly incompetent? They changed the rules!
It makes good business sense to value experience. Unfortunately it doesn’t happen as often as it should.
Ever notice that all of the people opening and closing business in AM and PM are always older more dependable people!
Agree, they are more dependable, honest and reliable employees.
A lot of them work night shift too
Younger workers cannot even make change. That is because the teaching of basic math is so poor.and vocational courses have been dropped. What companies seem not to realize that students are leaving school with less knowledge than they did thirty years ago because they are not being pushed, not being disciplined. The school district don’t want students to drop out because state funding comes from keeping kids in their seats. The more kids the larger the number of admin jobs and the better the pay package for upper management.
Yep! I've noticed it. I've also noticed some of the most dependable workers are older.
@@Over50tv We don't have nothing else to do lol but work. Fun days are over when you hit 50. People call you old then.
I just found this video and you hit the nail on the head . I have 43 years with the company and they have pulled every one plus a bunch more.They sent coworkers to sabotage my work.They rigged a computer training so there was no way possible i could finish. Each wrong answer every one from cubicles all around would laugh & laugh.Very humiliating.Later at the job i heard my lead person tell our manager over the radio ,Operation Darren was a success. These days i deal with the companys bully that adds "things "to my lunch or coffee when i'm not looking. I despise going to work but i am close to retiring so i stick it out.
Wow, sounds like you are in a ridiculously tough spot. I admire you for being able to hang in there.
You forgot one method, using you as a fall guy when the younger manager screws up.
I saw something like that at one place I worked. An older worker reported a problem to his manager, and the manager didn’t act. The problem then came to the notice of a VP who wanted answers on why the problem was not being addressed. Management didn’t blame the older man’s supervisor. They told the older man that he should have escalated this up the chain of command until action was taken. Of course, everyone knew that was not how things are done at the company even on paper.
If there is one thing companies (especially software) UNIVERSALLY do, it's allow a bad manager to frame a good employee. There is NEVER any standardized test. It's their word (considered the Gospel) against yours (some nobody in their eyes).
@11:05 I disagree with going to HR and letting them know how you feel. I have found that as an older worker, HR is NOT your friend. It is the enemy. The manager of your department has probably filled in HR already of your plan.
HR is there to protect the organization, not the employee. I learned that the hard way.
@@howardjones695 Yes, I agree with you Howard. Very true. Never reveal anything to HR except your info needed on W-2's.
@@howardjones695 Yep, I agree with you too Howard. HR is part of management and they complain about Union members a lot but they sure know how to protect themselves.
@@joane.3533 - nothing but name, rank, and serial number. LOL But yes, you are correct!
@@redrock3109 Thanks Red Rock. I decided I am not going to get a job and retire
Reach 50 and your screwed ,there's plenty of people to replace you,and employees don't give a crap
So true. As I approached 50 they hauled me in to HR and claimed a salary analysis indicated I was overpaid by close to 30% and they cut my pay on the spot. Their analysis of course was directed at my title rather than what I actually did. Rather than quit, which is what I knew they wanted, I hung on for a few weeks during my next job search. They were very unkind during that time. I did leave to another company that I’ve been with since that recognizes the value of reliability and experience. Funny, I got a call several months later from the former employer asking if I’d consider coming in on a contract basis to handle my old duties as they’d not found anyone suitable to do them. I told them yes and gave them an obscenely high hourly rate. Thankfully I never heard back.
@@joeyoungs8426 good for you! 🙂
In my experience the millennials are such poor employees that my company wants older workers.
@@joeyoungs8426 They couldn't find somebody else cause they're assholes, so they called you back!! You did the right thing of course, congratulations.
@@joeyoungs8426 Ha! Ha! Ha! Great!!!
I had the same experience. I asked my boss if i could work 32 hours instead of 40 because i needed time to take care of my Mom. They (i had 3 boss basically) all said 'no way, it is a 40 hours shift, and bla, bla, bla...'
I said ok. The next sunday i worked i put my letter of resignation on my boss chair.
They all said 'ok.'
i laughed in my beard knowing pretty well, the younger generation are a bunch of slakers, unshowing on fridays and saturdays, so i waited and took jobs left and right waiting...
it took 2 months before they called me back and said ''Would you still be availlable to work for 32 hours for us?''
i waited on the phone a little bit, tasting that sweet victory taste, ohhhhh sooooo sweeeeeet!!! lol ;)
''of course i would! Allllllways love to work there!''
lol
A bunch of clowns i tell yah. A big bunch of looneys who have no clue what they are doing... lol
For 28 years I was as close to indispensable as any one employee can be, and then I hit my 50’s and I wasn’t! But you know what, I always kept good records and they wanted to clone my knowledge before I left (and knowing where a few of the bodies were buried didn’t hurt either!). I didn’t like their terms for my leaving, so I told them mine and they saw the light! It became a perfect ending to a perfect career!
Makes me think of Bill, a guy i knew who worked maintenance at my university back in the 80’s. They used a paper system to keep track of work orders. Bill learned how to write a program to computerize it. A few months in and no one wanted to go back to the paper system.
Bill was in his late fifties. He gave them a compiled version of his program, never the source code. Every so often a message would pop up saying the program needed maintenance, call bill. Bill would recompile it with a new cutoff date. As far as i know he was able to retire there.
I am a senior guy, and I have worked for many companies in all kinds of ways: W2, contractor from another company, temp, even on invoice having my own business. My suggestion to young people is to be loyal to your resume and nothing else. Yes, you always conduct yourself in a professional manner. But the most important thing is to build your resume. No job lasts forever, and in fact, it is best if you move about every so often so as to gain more experience. Companies are always reconfiguring themselves, expanding, and contracting. They have ups and downs. If your resume is strong and varied, then you never have to worry about what a company might do.
Yep, a large component of this is getting someone else to do the same job for less money, even if it's lesser quality.
Sadly you are right!
50% less cost, 25% less quality. It depends on the industry, but that might be a good trade. I'm getting the serious sense in this thread that the over 50's have no idea how relatively expensive they are. If you're some sort of wonder employee, fine. But I have my doubts
@@juliantheapostate8295I'm 37 and I see companies play these games in other ways. Older workers generally know these systems inside and out, they should use that knowledge to set up businesses that compete. I'm convinced entrepreneurship is the only way to personal liberation.
Good video. Many people will pull just about every stupid stunt in the book to get rid of older workers.
I worked for Albertsons years ago and their strategy for getting rid of older store and department managers who were getting high pay and benefits was to move them to a store in another state and in a few months, move them again. Of course they would get tired of moving so often so they would quit.
Some HR departments even prepare a stat sheet that shows the respective ages, so they can save themselves from potential lawsuits by portraying the numbers of the people they retained in your age group.
I believe that.
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Another one is to deny training that keeps your professional skills up-to-date. I work in IT. In one organisation my training submissions were rejected although approved for staff 20 yrs younger. My training courses were approved at the beginning of the year during the employee goal setting meetings but rejected for numerous weak reasons during the year. I ended up pay for my own training in my own time. This went on for seven years. Of course the company benefited from having my skills up-to-date and from the newly acquired skills in new tech.
I worked for a oil field service company for 34 years before getting cut and replaced by a foreign worker.
I can't think of 1 person that actually made it to full retirement age.
I had been at my 'place of employment' for 17 years and was told by my boss that I was getting too old and really should find another job. A short time later, I was terminated. I sued them for age discrimination and won the suit. I guess he shouldn't have said that to me, huh?
If you have it on tape or in writing......or witnesses .....it's great. It sounds like you had the proof..... But age discrimination is very hard to prove.
If you're ever told "We're creating a new position for you" you better start looking. Because it won't be long until that "new position" is eliminated and you along with it.
Excellent advice! Thank you.
At 61 I left under my own terms. I sensed they were actually trying to overwork me until I quit from the time I was about 55. Giving me much more work than they thought I could complete on a daily basis. My responsibilities were all the maintenance and inspections on all the Elevators (Approx 30), all maintenance and inspections on all the backup Generators (Approx 30) and all the Fire Alarm and Security Alarm systems Countywide (48 Buildings). They Renamed my position "Life Safety Mechanic". And with very little, if any help or Supervision. They were setting me up to fail. But in my mind they damned sure weren't going to break me. Over those 6 years I got in the best shape mentally and physically in my adult life. They failed and I won, and they knew it. When it came time to retire I visited the Personal Dept for retirement counselling thinking I was going to give them 6 months notice, the Personnel advisor explained I should leave then instead of in 6 months as I had told my department Manager. The advisor pointed out that I had over 6 months of pay for all the Sick leave and Vacation Accrued over the years, so I would get 6 months pay in full as soon as I left and wouldn't have to start collecting my pension until I turned 62. You would not believe the smile I had on my face when I was able to inform that SOB manager of my decision. He got stuck holding the bag for doing my work with no one that was trained or motivated to do so.
One of the young managers called me "Old Man" the other day. I've been harping on it ever since. It's an ugly world.
My grandson sometimes teases me by calling me, 'old man!' I know he doesn't mean it as an insult. But, if a younger colleague uses that term, well, it wouldn't be cool.
Start a grievance process citing ageism and bullying and humiliation and micro-aggressions
It seems to me that even if you went to your manager or to HR, you're not going to get a straight answer. They can always come up with some excuse. From what I can see, there really is no way to enforce anti-age discrimination laws. And asking what you can do to get promoted the next time won't help. If they don't want you, they don't want you. You're basically screwed.
Asking what you can do to get promoted the next time... Ha ha ha! You can follow their instructions to the letter and it will be something else next time.
Government should implement a law whereby a certain percentage of the workforce needs to be over a certain age. They do it for other groups of people.
The reason this happens is because employees are stripped of their rights and they are being considered unnecessary cost. There are two types of employees, core business employees and everyone else. Core employees are usually in top management and getting rid of them will cause significant disruption in day to day operations. The rest of employees can be replaced by new hires or even outside temp work force. This is a trend that is been going on for last 20-30 years. Employees have no representation and leverage. In addition HR objective is not to protect employee rights but support functions of organization.
Amazing how much our American society has changed over the 59 years I've been alive. My age and older definitely had a different focus and work ethic. Sadly, I don't think what I was taught helps much functionally/substantially with the work ethos now, but ethically I can't give up on it.
Yep, society has changed from the days when at family dinners my Fisher Body employed uncle espoused the notion that we should all work hard and appreciate our job. For the most part, my cousins, brothers, and sisters followed his lead. I am pretty sure it paid off for the employers who benefited from our work ethos. For my family, not so much. Most of them were laid off, fired, or lost their job because their employer moved, closed, or went bankrupt. The only family members who seemed to really benefit from his advice were those who were self-employed or had jobs for life with the government. The lesson I learned is to look out for yourself from day one.
@@Over50tv Was your uncle at Fisher in Trenton NJ? (Ewing) I knew a lot of people there back in the day
@@joecummings1260 No, my uncle worked at Fisher Body in Euclid, Ohio. If I remember right he later worked at General Motor's Lordstown plant. Sometimes I drive by that huge plant. Sad to see it's also closed.
I retired and my company called me back. The younger technicians can't deal with the older equipment.
They just chose to discontinue all the products they could not deal with after they let me go.
@@easternma my company is the lone world source for many of our products with many government contracts so dropping those products is not an option.
That's why you never pass all your expertise on to your replacement worker!
Keep a little back for job security !
I'm 68 and I was kinda let go, no actually I was going through the harrassment and I told them to stick it when they threatened to fire me for.......wait for it.........INCOMPETENCE.
My good fortune because I was hired as a part-time adjunct instructor by a local community college. My pay is based on my student load which easily averages out to about $75 or more per hour. Good money and more free time.
@@robqwertyuipp8750 one of my missions is to try and train the younger technicians how to troubleshoot the older equipment. They don't teach this type of technology in schools anymore. Every time I talk about re-retiring they get nervous.
In my experience, if the organization wants you out, it will find a reason or concoct a reason to get rid of you, and there is very little you can do about it. You can litigate, but so often the organ simply waits until you run out of money to continue the litigation and consequently you have to end it.
Concoct a reason. You've got that right. What my former employer did to me....I still...to this day...cannot relay...to many. It was so humiliating. I had one lawyer that wanted to go forward. If I had the funds to wager...I would have. I had something much more important to tend to. Laws need to be in place....before we could successfully sue!
HR dos nothing. They work for the company.
You think they are bad, you should understand the new safety officers. Their job is not to make the work place safer, their job is to use the law and science to make the workplace as dangerous as possible without getting caught.
HR people from India, France and England I have worked with are shocked when they come here to the USA. In those countries HR is a very powerful position. I am not sure if it is from the scaricity of jobs in those countries, --just speculation. These HR people can't wrap themselves in the concept HR here is just doing compliance, clerical, and b**ch work. Also, they say HR people there is mostly male; here it is mostly female!
Wage discrimination is a problem as well. An older employee may be a person not necessarily over 50 but someone who has been with a company long enough to wage themselves out of their position. Great video!!
Unfortunately in this pandemic economy, we'll see an increase in people being 'waged out' as companies look to reduce costs. Prior to the pandemic, I believed most people don't wage themselves out of a job. Companies cut employees because they mismanaged expenses and have to cut costs or because they want to squeeze out more profits and they don't mind replacing a good employee with a less efficient and less expensive worker. Thanks for watching Over50tv!
older life Matters . some day they will be old
Yes they will. I wonder how they will respond.
@@Over50tv they will be shocked. Same as older workers are now
@@Over50tv If they have any sense they'll already be retired. Absolutely no reason that a single professional man cannot retire before age 45
Won't matter... Cycles of abuse span many generations, if not them all. Corporations are just the newest global government empowered form of it. Loss of the best anti trust laws in America sealed it.
I just put my papers in and retired.Called out last two weeks,got my sick ,vacation,comp time,deferred retirement money,and monthly pension. Leaving was the best thing I did.The dept became a total hell hole after I left. Was even told by former coworkers I was missed and the dept was not the same without me.
i got laid off at 79 because of the virus but i keep getting called back--i know where the secret valve is!
Then you're the man; superior knowledge usually wins.
79!
Holy crap I hope to live that long!
I'm 40 and cant wait to slow down.
Amazing. 👍
i just turned 80 three days ago, this morning the owner was here and said he needs me back again. the secret valve must be stuck!.
@@jmyers9853 Truth..... there's nothing like experience
Like any relationship. If they want you, they’d make every excuse to keep you. If they don’t, they make every excuse to kick you to the curb.
Also one person’s reason is another person’s excuse
We had an woman that was in the company for 75 years! she started in High school and became too ill to work age 93. When the company switched over to computers (she was an Executive secretary) the rest of the ladies in her group all retired. Not her!, she said give ma a computer and she mastered it! You will never see that again in a lifetime I'll bet!
They want you to quit so you either don't get unemployment or have to fight for it. You can not easily prove discrimination.
It is extremely hard to prove discrimination. I've looked at a few discrimination cases and looked at the data. The end results are most usually in favor of the employer. As long as employers don't have to worry about consequences job discrimination will continue and probably increase.
@@Over50tv Nobody is engaging in Ageism IF (and I repeat, IF) the older people are wealthy and control capital, investment funds, etc. Young people will flock to older investors and look for mentors among those that control capital and land. Yet people continue to submit to a systemic injustice where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer if they think it won't affect them. Their job is "secure" and fine until it isnt. There is no personal solution to a systemic problem.
@@eschiedler This is true. No one cares about this issue until they personally suffer. Until then, things are fine and dandy.
If they pay you severance, equivalent to unemployment, they do not have to pay unemployment.
I had a problem with with discrimination, bought a covert camera watch - caught the directors many many time
I worked for a company that set itself a goal: fire 10 percent of the staff every year and replace them with new employees. How does this work? The manager has to pick 10 percent of his staff to tell them that they are incompetent. After a few years, all incompetent employees are gone and then the manager gets picky. At that stage he will prefer younger employees...
This will turn the process into a rat race. If you are hired for 40 hours a week and everybody else works 50 hours a week (without extra pay), you will get fired. Next year, everybody works 60 hours and if you work 50 hours, you will get fired. And next year???
Yes what you say is true. I worked in upper management for large well known software company. They called it culling the herd. They had this laughable thing we were supposed to say that we were freeing them to let them succeed at something they were. “ better suited For “. Basically it was people that would not work 24/7 and put personal / family first.
@@ThePNWRiderWA Most companies that claim that they have work/life balance are the opposite. They see claiming to encourage employees to spend non-work time on their families will draw people in but that is all just a lie.
This is a company I would never work for no matter how much I needed a job. Sounds like a Walmart.
it's called forced ranking or 20/70/10. it was developed by a jerk at GE and considered draconian but still used everywhere. every year mgrs are are forced to pick an employee and screw them even if they're performing well. it is used to target older workers and could be described as "suddenly incompetent" there have been lawsuits over this too.
If you see this coming, look for a company that would really like to hire you for your experience. This happened for me and allowed me to extend my career by six years while being much happier.
Or they'll take you off the schedule without telling you why, hoping you'll get fed up and quit. This happened to me. When that didn't work, they later conjured up a lie to push me out. Working for big businesses in this country sucks bc aged people are seen as too expensive to keep and so are more expendable.
One of the oldest strategies by employers is to reduce employee hours when they want them to leave.
Best thing I ever did was form my OWN company twice the one that lasted the longest was from 93-2003 IT services it was the most rewarding time in my life & the highest paying job! I controlled all accepts ! If I had real problems with customers I would find someone else to take over .that way they still left without hurting the Biz plus the customer still felt served !working for others just SUCKS tried to do in union shops & corporate situations that was the worst. They did all that you mentioned in this video. Still time left at 59 yrs old BUT might take early retirement because nothing really excites me anymore!! Don't know if the rest of you feel this way in our age group ? But I would like to have fun now for a while I still can before health issues start coming my way! None yet.
I was up for a promotion at a job over 20 years ago. I did not get it because according to my boss I was not "young and hip enough". I wok in social services. They thought the young mothers could not relate to me. The young/hip person they hired arrived on her first day of work very late. She didn't make for even a week. So much for young and hip. I've never been late for work a day in my life. 😂😅
Not hiring you was their loss.
@Over50tv My boss was a real piece of work. One of my coworkers was fired/quit. She appealed her unemployment benefits, and our workplace was declared a toxic work environment.
I was harrassed so badly I had a nervous breakdown. I had to quit.
Did you go to HR? Hell no..
@@metalmike570 I wish sometimes I would have gone to HR or the State Ethics commission just in hopes they would have transferred me somewhere else to shut me up. I had a uniquely bad set of managers so being transferred to standard mediocre ones would have been a step up.
As an RN for ten years, I have seen three nurses I work with commit suicide due to job stress
My wife’s job was “eliminated” by a big box retailer. Citing automated processes. It was a Back office position. They did offer placement where there were openings elsewhere. At significant pay reductions. She was the highest paid hourly in the store. And they were shocked when after 27 years she took severance and never looked back. They reshuffled her responsibilities to several others. Next they they gamed the inventory numbers to make it look like everything was smooth sailing just like when they had people like her in place. She scratched her head after she left and said somebody’s playing games with the books. Because she was personally aware of markdowns and other inventory items that were not captured. Finally about four years after they left it all caught up. But by then, The people who had cooked up the scheme, I am sure collected their performance bonus checks and had no doubt got promoted on to their next Assignment. Leaving the poor schmucks to follow up and clean up after them. And try to explain how things worked so well previously. This is a cycle in business, especially corporate business that has went on for many years. You just need to look good on paper get in get out and leave the mess for someone else to clean up. And if that involves ruining somebody else’s career, yeah so what.