Desert Tech MDR: Issues Resolved
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.พ. 2019
- Desert Tech has released their own official ammo testing video as well here:
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When Desert Tech initially sent us the MDR we had a lot of issues: short strokes, failures to eject, light primer strikes, torn rims.
However, unlike some other companies, they took that input and collaborated with us towards actually resolving the issues.
We have received the MDR back with an entirely new gas system, a new extractor and a new hammer spring.
We are very happy to inform our audience that the MDR now lives up to the expectations! The rifle is running flawlessly with M80 mil-surp ball and even has less perceived recoil in the process.
We can not give higher accolades or kudos to Desert Tech for being responsible, ethical and fantastic to work with! InRange is excited to see the birth of what is ostensibly the most advanced bullpup take flight.
InRange is entirely viewer supported:
/ inrangetv
Thank you so much for working with us through the improvements and reviewing our MDR a second time. We hustled like crazy to fix the issues found in your first video and couldn't be happier with your response. We're excited you're choosing the MDR to compete in the Mystery Mountain 3-gun and we wish you the best of luck!
I'm just going to be honest, your reactions and openness have turned my mind from "maybe I'll get that one day" to "let me start saving"
awesome the way you guys took the original video to heart, addressed the concerns, and made these improvements. very stand-up of you. _this_ is what customers hope for from a firearms company. kudos!
Fucking awesome work guys! A lot of respect for how you delt with this.
I wish more companies were as willing to flex the way y'all have with this, vs saying "working as intended" and expecting the customers to deal with it.
@@touofthehighplains We aren't ready to announce any future plans but if you subscribe or follow us on facebook, you'll be one of the first to find out what more we have in store for the future :)
That is how a company should react to constructive feedback. Franklin armory could learn a thing or two.
The Franklin Armory situation is completely different.
I'm out of loop. Can someone please explain what FA thing is?
John Smith they did a video with that Hank strange Ass hole
@@JohnSmith-km3pe Their reps at Shot Show said that they weren't allowed to talk to InRange.
@John Smith, they’re “infamous” for banning inrangetv from their booth at Shot Show after Ian critized the premise of the Franklin Armory Reformation last year.
"Use the cool lever on the back!" is the casual gun geekery I watch this channel for.
Verbose Mode fucking same
Bloop!
I mean.. does it have a better name? Lol
did anyone else watch the Desert Tech response to the first video?
Yes I did and I concur with John-Paul Silke's comment
Hmmm...! I did.
For anybody interested here the video th-cam.com/video/9ed01kq20dM/w-d-xo.html
No, i just assumed that it would be weird and cringey, on account of the fact that desert tech is run by a bunch of cousin humping Mormon loonies
I did, just find it hilarious it's taken them this long to figure out some ways to actually make the gun work. Especially when DT's CEO blamed everything on cheap ammo when this gun was marketed as a Battle Rifle, and repeatedly couldn't use M80 ball with any reliability.
I hope it's not lost on you that _you_ are now part of firearms history. Well done, lads.
Such a small statement but such a powerful message. You're absolutely right. Bravo gentlemen.
Hiker Bro That's awesome and deep when you think about it.
Can we just appreciate just how awesome this rifle looks with the scope.
Sure. Go ahead.
*Desert Tech* just earned itself an army of new supporters, and the good will of all it's current and near future customers. As a left handed shooter, I will now be putting aside funds for the MDR knowing that Gun Jesus blessed its redeemed form, forgiving it's sins and past transgressions, and Karl trusts it for his upcoming 3 gun competition.
It's so nice to see there's still a company out there who take pride in their product, listen to the problems customers are having without blaming them for the malfunctions or making excuses, and worked diligently to rectify the issues in a timely and transparent manner.
I must say, this is one of the best reactions I've seen from a firearms company, or any product selling company in general. Many of us love the concept of the MDR, wanted very badly for it to work smoothly when it had issues, and are now ecstatic that it lives up to the expectations and performs like an absolute beast after remediation.
I believe Garand Thumb said something to the CEO about a witness port for the gas settings when he did his review. It may have been added with your suggested modifications.
Maybe it is possible to change the gas setting with the tip of a bullet now?
Daddy Garand always saves the day
I noticed that too
The window is definitely new. Look at any image of a production gun (for instance the still photo at the beginning of the other video) and it's not there.
magoid. It always was
Glad to see a bullpup actually get worked on rather than abandoned and glad to see a company respond positively to honest criticism.
cherudium Aaaaaaaand it’s an American bullpup which makes it even cooler (and probably cheaper)
@@___Nobody__ I know, unfortunately these things are forever out of my reach in New York.
Listen to the Gun Jesus (and Karl)?
-Yes
----> The gun improves significantly
-No
----> "Hi guys! Thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons..."
But it's already on Forgotten Weapons.
@@RedShocktrooperRST One must therefore acknowledge a good degree of foresight bestowed upon Gun Jesus
@@RedShocktrooperRST They put it up there because it was only Ian I think...
Some years ago I was in the market for a precision rifle. Desert Tech was out of the price range I was considering. After I read about how they declined a large Pakistani army order for fear their rifles would find their way to those who would us them against US soldiers, I checked out an SRS, saved more, and bought one. Good behavior MUST be rewarded in a sport/industry/hobby that is seemingly under attack on all sides.
The most impressive thing about whole deal was Desert Tech's response to InRange's initial critical review. Other manufacturers just ban them … wink wink.
Whats that a reference to
@@johnbacon4997 At last year's shot show, the InRange dudes savaged the Franklin Armory Reformation; so, this year, the company instructed the reps not to talk to Karl or Ian. Karl made a short video were he basically said that if you wanted to know anything about Franklin's offering this year, you'd have to check other channels. And nonchalantly moved on.
@@johnbacon4997 Its in reference to Franklin Armory banning InRange from their booth at Shot Show
@@SuperAWaC I dont even know of what happened. Can you summarise it quickly?
@Super AWaC and @Lukasz Abrahamovich baisically Karl and Ian made the Franklin Armory guys look like fools a last year by asking obvious questions at their booth at Shot Show. This year at Shot Show Franklin Armory refused to let them talk to anyone but the CEO who made sure not to be there and wouldn't let them film at their booth. The the CEO went on a channel he's the corporate overlord of to put out his side of the story, and spend half the video trying to sell the Reformation.
Having fondled and admired the MDR at SHOT years ago, watching it become near vaporware, and then seeing you guys have issues with it, this is a very cool outcome. DesertTech certainly benefited from getting their rifle in the hands of some gun nerds who have experience with a wide variety of semi auto rifles, experience which they likely don't have in house. The experience you guys have developed actually running many odd guns hard in competition was likely invaluable to them.
One of the things we are slowly losing due to the Hughes Amendment to the FOPA is the nerd community that has deep experience with a wide range of full auto firearm systems, which makes me think future development will need to make a vast number of mistakes again as the knowledge of actual operational/functional knowledge of legacy arms is lost. I've been blessed with exposure to a huge number of interesting firearms, some obscure stuff even in detail, but it has served just as much to alert me to how much we lose as the guys I've shot with for decades pass away. Thanks to the FOPA driving the price of classic machine guns through the roof you'll never again see the deep collections that true gun nerds put together years ago. When I go to shoots these days it's guys with more money than brains who bought a few vanity pieces they barely know how to operate rather than the guys I used to meet who intimately knew their vast array of guns (and slammed whatever questionable ammo was six cents a round that month through their guns, many times learning valuable lessons!)
I'm lucky to be part of a dwindling and aging community of gun nerds whose general knowledge strikes me as more valuable every year. Thank you Ian and Karl for your dedication to this sort of nerdery and for the public representation of our hobby as the respectable community of affable, intelligent individuals that I have had the pleasure to experience and be part of.
I agree. And I'm a VERY leftist gun geek who supports most proposed gun control measures. A lot of hobbies, especially those that involve antique equipment, are dwindling because my generation can't friggin' afford to get into them. Bad income and increased prices.
Wow, that's an excellent point! Definitely not something I would've considered, as peripheral to this community as I am.
@@AnimeSunglasses personally, im one of the asshats that scream "EVERY LAWS AN INFRINGEMENT", but i can get behind keeping criminals and unhinged peaple from getting their hands on firearms
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 just to add onto this, I used to be part of the crazies who wanted to ban guns, but I've shifted to a more practical approach of taking guns away from people who are a danger to themselves or others. Now I'm still not that open to people owning full auto guns, but I'm sure there's a way to do it that keeps them out of the hands of dangerous individuals while also making the average shooter be able to use them.
Not failure defines you but the way you handle it. Desert Tech handled it like a boss. #respect
It speaks volumes about a company who is willing to do this, who actually cares about having a quality product and fixing issues instead of just pretending it doesn't exist. Very admirable.
Kudos to Desert Tech for turning what could have been a PR disaster into a selling point. It's bizarre how the company's honest and sincere approach to resolving the issues is so out of the norm for the industry. I'm dreading the hit to my wallet one of these in 5.56 is going to make someday!
I'm very impressed withe desert techs response. I dont necessarily judge companies by there problems but there response.
*their, their
They're owned by the kingston clan. The kingston clan forces underage girls into polygamous marriages and sexually abuse them. They aren't a company to support.
This exactly. In any type of business you will run into issues at some point. Unless issues are glaringly common and impede usefulness of a product, it's how you solve them that matters much more than the fact they arose in first place. In fact I'd rather trust a company that did something wrong and have proven they can fix it, than company that did only right and I have no idea how they will react when they get thing wrong.
LIV2500 do you have any actual proof? I look it up and there was only a reddit page about it.
@@LIV2500 that wouldn't surprise meat all. Mormons have a absolutely disgusting history. They have gotten bettrr at following you know, the law but they are still brainwashed as ever
I was hoping they'd stay bad for a little while longer so I wouldn't have to pay for one yet, there goes my budget.
Fawthur *_insert L85 here_*
@Kjaskaar If you're looking for a reason not to buy one google "Kingston Clan". They're owned by a cult that sexually abuses kids.
@@LIV2500 Not this shit again.
Yeah, Desert Tech is based on Utah.
Yeah, there are a ton of Mormons in Utah.
We have no evidence to indicate that the people at Desert Tech are Mormon, but for the sake of the argument, let's assume they are.
If so, so what?
Refusing to buy a gun because the owners are Mormon is like refusing to buy Trijicon because the owners are Christian.
And for the "sexually abusing kids" part, you could say the exact same thing about Catholics, Muslims, and Hollywood, yet you still buy (insert X thing made by Catholics because I can't think of anything), buy Canik, and go to movies.
@@LIV2500 Now...how exactly do you know this?
I'll be frank, I looked this up, and for a wide number of reasons, I have huge doubts.
F
This how T&E should work. A company gives a product to a third party(youtuber, gun mag, etc.), the third party gives an unbiased, expert evaluation, & the company takes the evaluation into account, and makes necessary changes. Hats off to InRange AND Desertech for working together to make a decent rifle great.
The way ɪan empties that full mag at 8:25 just looks so cool in a way ɪ can't explain.
I'm interested to see what was done.
I was happy to see some... Collaboration?
I'm not sure of the proper word, but I'm glad to see a manufacturer taking the criticism WELL .
@@beardoggin8963 it's rare to see good interaction between a company and people who criticize the products.
I'm glad they fixed the shit.
@the-hardest-yeet they did. But you have to remember that it isn't a normal occurrence where a company takes feedback and FIXES things.
They'll normally just go "ITZ UR FALT"
You can provide proof, I assume.
It took criticism from InRange and GT for them to seemingly do anything meaningful with fixing the gun, but we'll have to see more reports like this from general users and not Firearm channel guns that might've gotten special treatment from DT. Wouldn't be surprised with how DTs acted till now.
They were not taking criticism well on their YT channel, many tame comments were deleted.
Just wow. When i´ve seen the first pictures of the mdr iwas just like "that´s a really cool gun" then i saw the first video of the mdr on inRangeTV and was a little sad about all the problems. After all the videos that came out about the mdr (specially of Desert Tech itself) after the first video, i´m really happy to see that they fixed all the issues and i´m glad to see that DT work on there problems.
Great to see a company to work like that (and that this fantasic weapons works now)
I am now interested in desert tech.
Class act: 1)submit product for T&E.
2) observer results, listen to feedback.
3) improve design. Resubmit.
Thank you fellas for providing your viewer's this insight.
I'm mostly impressed that they didn't chuck a tantrum and had a transparent and honest discussion of the issues and then most importantly, improvements. A lot of respect for them as a company because of the way they handled it.
OH DANG WE'RE BACK IN BUSSINESS BOYS
Wow, a gun company that does the right thing? Take notes Franklin Armory.
You beat me to it. Instead of black listing media channels, DT actually worked to address issues. They need to give classes to FA apparently.
What is Franklin Arms infamous for?
@@SaftonYT they denied gun jesus at shot show. Booth personnel were instructed not to speak with them because the prior year the representative was blindsided by the most basic questions.
@Safton, they’re “infamous” for banning inrangetv from their booth at Shot Show after Ian critized the premise of the Franklin Armory Reformation last year.
@@1804unclesam Oh, wow. That's effective PR right there. Thanks for the info!
Not only am I impressed with Desert Tech for their response, I'm impressed with Ian and Karl for just being honest with everyone and working with Desert Tech. They didn't have to do that, but they did. I realize it's because they're enthusiasts themselves and they really _want_ stuff like this to work, but how many people are there in this world who would just have blown the manufacturer off? A lot. I'm not really in the market for a .308 rifle of any kind, but after following this story from the beginning I'm considering supporting Desert Tech just because they seem like a great company. (I'll not lie, I'd enjoy shooting that thing. It's just that I have plenty of rifles to shoot as it is and don't need another.)
As a early MDR owner I'm glad they are fixing issues and my own rifle went back for issues and they took care of it but it took time to get it done. I have not had the issues they had with their first rifle but many other have and have been complaining about it to Desert Tech for almost a year. Again to be fair if there was an issue you could send it in and they took care of it. But for some it took multiple trips. I know a lot of MDR owners that are frustrated that the stuff they have be having issues with didn't get a "true" fix until a few big TH-cam'rs made the issue well known. But it is hard to fault DT because they are still working to make this rifle what it should be.
How has it been after sending it back? Do you need to adjust the gas system often (if you run different types of ammo)?
Great to see a company that realizes fixing the issues is easier than rationalizing and making excuses takes twice as much work.
So basically Desert Tech was like a luxury sports car manufacturer trying their hands on building a working man's pickup truck for the very first time.
They weren't prepared for someone to use the wrong fuel grade lol.
Well at the end they seem to have succeeded !
I live in Europe, and I'm not likely to buy a rifle of this type any time soon. But the company investigating the issues so thoroughly, and delivering a fix so quickly, makes me a million times *more confident* as a (hypothetical) prospective customer, than if the rifle had worked perfectly the first time around. Because that could have been a fluke, but company ethics and responsiveness towards the costumers surely aren't.
*Kudos!*
Just purchased the Cali compliant version, based upon both of u giving it a thumbs up. The only thing is no one has done a range test for accuracy. Everyone is ringing steel no one is testing for precision.
It’s great to see a company listen to there customers as fix the problem quickly
Really impressed with Desert Tech's response to your initial review, and the acoustics in that spot you were shooting are gorgeous.
I'm glad y'all shared your original findings and then gave the weapon a solid second chance with open minds.
Never thought I would want a bullpup but I would definitely support this company
My question is how much does it cost for me to get one
@@peterb8904 about 2500 bucks
I LOVE that you had a hand in making this a working, and wanted weapon. Well done lads!
Fantastic. Glad they stood up
Watching the empty case spit out the front so gingerly when you chamber a new round is SOOOO satisfying!!
It's really good to hear of a company that responds to serious problems by actually talking to people and fixing the problems in their design. That gives me a lot of faith in Desert Tech.
A company being open to criticism and improving their product is how you get us to save up and purchase said product.
So now I have to save up and buy this beast.
I get what you were thinking Ian. :)
the wider extractor is giving a longer, steadier pull to the extraction and easing the recoil.
before the extractor was giving a quick narrow jerk that was deforming casings. and increasing the felt recoil.
It's also fighting that stronger hammer spring
This is really night and day. Props to Desert Tech for actually listening and then following up on it in such a timely fashion. I look forward to watching the competition video.
Your first review video+the Desert Tech response+this video=AWSOME!
So happy to hear these guys corrected the issues, when I go to buy a bull pup I may have one of these over a tavor...
I wonder if the harder hammer spring could be eating a little of the felt recoil?
That definitely can take some of the edge off. It would be good to have an original rifle and compare step by step how the changes are altering the recoil impulse.
Hung Solo most definitely
Yes, that's what I thought - even with wider open gas port, the hammer descelerate the bolt carrier group so the energy absorbed by the buffer is smaller.
Huh. Never thought about that but it makes a lot of sense.
I love a story with a happy ending!! What a pleasant change to hear of such a helpful and ethical company.
Shout out to Desert Tech for actually being a good company and taking the feedback of their consumers, reviewers, and commenters to heart and not being dicks about it.
So glad to see Desert Tech doing exactly what every manufacturer should be doing. Awesome!
Using their customers as beta testers? SIG is already on that bandwagon. I kid, DT is a small company with limited resources taking a chance on a novel design. They aren't the first to find out their product needs a bit of extra refinement.
Glad to hear DT actually fixed those issues and in a timely manner with good communication.
This might be one of the few rifles that its worth putting a linear compensator on with its short length and that round. Also pretty sure you can stick a screwdriver down the handguard to change the gas setting without removing it.
There's also an aftermarket aluminum MDR handguard that lets you easily adjust the gas valve on the fly.
Honestly.. This is so great to see. I was really bummed when I saw that the MDR had problems but now that it doesn't have em I'm just really happy. Good job Desertech!
Very happy to see this ironed out!
I was sooooooo happy when I saw the first video cuz I was able to strike the MDR off my list. Now it's back on and I'm upset.
Grassel- Are you leaning toward a Tavor?
@@wmsbbg6624 nah I have an rdb which scratches the itch. Tavor just doesn't fit my style
Go ahead and purchase one at deserttech.com so you can strike it off your list the right way! :)
Still wont run steel or id be all about one 308 is already pricey now your limited to the more pricey 308 brass
So glad they got the issues fixed as it's going to be my next rifle.
People in WVC are almost as nice as Montanans so it's no surprise that they were easy to work with.
This is awesome. Glad to see these improvements and it's great that you guys gave us the update video too.
I am actually very impressed. Warms my heart to see a company that cares.
As an MDR owner, yes the witness port is new. And thier customer service and support has always been amazing since I started doing business with them.
But will it run my Hurtenburger Tuscadero Ticondas?
10/10 reference
It sure will.... but....will you spare a round of such precious ammunition ? Think about the tyconda's !
I cant shoot precious! Haha that was good dude. Not my Ticondas.....
Oh, it's not like you were going to ever shoot those Tuscadero Ticondas anyway. :)
You be the judge.
Great job DT! Props to you guys for acknowledging the issues and getting them fixed!
Been looking for a 7.62 and a bullpup firearm. Now I can get two in one with the MDR. Wonderful look at this rifle.
Way to go, Desert Tech! These are looking like really nice rifles.
the heavier hammer spring reseting may have a TINY affect on slowing the bolt velocity as well.
I really like how they responded to your feedback about the issues with the previous version.
DESERT TECH I AM IMPRESSED !@ Thank you guys for your review of this bullpup for being so honest in your review (as usual) and so now I am placing my order with Desert Tech.
So glad they fixed it, I love seeing company’s have passion about making the best product they can. Desert Tech is pretty awesome. When can I get it in 556?
They are sold in .308, .300 blk, and .223 wylde.
I believe 5.56 rifles are shipping now.
Jackal Mareel in case you weren't aware, .223 wylde is a chambering that will happily take both .223 and 5.56, along with some accuracy advantages. It's not some weird proprietary cartridge.
And by the way, 5.56 really is out now.
If you are on the east coast of the US or just want to do a transfer, "Carolina's First Defense" in North Carolina has a black .223 MDR in stock just waiting to be claimed. I know the owner, Jesse. He's cool. And he really does have one in stock.
I know what .223 wylde is, I was listing the calibers from thier web page.
Ok, hate to be the party pooper, but i know from Software Engineering that changing a system can have side effects. You should still try to shoot other, especially previously working, ammunition and make sure that everything works as intended now. Trust is good, control is better
... I just need some closure man
I'm glad to see how well this did and for them to work with you on the issues.
Excellent work InRange and Desert Tech, a joy to see such beautiful results.
Need to test more ammo types, but looks like it should have, to begin with.
wow, earliest I've ever been for an Inrange video. 4 views
Excited to see how this does in Matches. Also loved that Desert Tech rose to the occasion to address and fix the problems. Awesome company.
Fantastic. Happy to see that they worked with you. Very cool result.
Bullpups aren't my favourite type of gun but this one might find it's way into my top 20 really quick. I also think this is one of my favorite bullpups now.
Imagine the Apple responce:
"You're loading it wrong!"
It costs $10,000 for OG M16 reliability and doesn't come with a handguard, but why would you need one when you can buy the new Apple Foregrip for only $2,000?
Well this is just amazing! A company dealt with a legitimate review in an adult manner and have pulled through with an improved product. Huge respect!
It's so good to hear when a manufacturer LISTENS and ACTS on reasoned criticism of their product. They've gone up on my scale by a good bit.
Bullpup, polymer, ambidextrous, nonreciprocating charging handle, the rifle of the 21st century? They should put out a 22" barrel version
There are 20" barrels (for .308, 6.5 Creedmoor, and .22 Creedmoor), but not 22" barrels.
I'm trying to decide if you are from an anti-gun area where you need a longer gun for it to be legal or if you really do want a 22" barrel.
22" is quite long, almost obscenely so for a bullpup, so I'm curious as to your rationale.
LinkHyrule03 the M14 has a 22" barrel. 308 works well with longer barrels. This weapon only offers this shorter barrel. And for the price i wouldn't want to try replacing it.
@@KKovacsUSN M14 is also obscenely long compared to the MDR. And you're only thinking about the full length M14's, not the shorter variants.
And again, there are 20" barrels that are readily available for the MDR.
If you want 22", 24", 30", or 50", I'm sure you can manufacture one yourself. Desert Tech does offer blanks for people to make their own barrels.
Additionally the minimal advantage you get going from a 20" barrel to a 22" barrel would be far better gotten by making the switch to 6.5 Creedmoor, which is better across the board.
I would say 260 Remington with a 24 inch barrel.
Or 7-08 Remington with a 22 inche barrel.
But your back to non military ammo in a semi auto.
@@knutdergroe9757 They should follow your advice if they hate money. 22" barreled bullpup in 2, little used hunting calibers. Do you work for Franklin Armory?
But.... Is the 1863 Spencer carbine a bullpup?
Haha nice
the action is not behind the trigger, so arguably no
@@viciousslayer I always thought bullpup was magazine behind trigger
@@polygondwanaland8390 its the whole action, as Ian describes (and I'm with him on this one)
You don't think of the Uzi as a bullpup, do you?
Participating to development is always gratifying... Big up guys!
I have huge respect for any company that is willing to take criticism and improve with it. Good on you Desert Tech. We need more companies like you in this world.
Making the world a better place, one gun at a time.
Any plans for a video on the status of Hudson and the H9?
Would you mind letting me know what happened with Hudson H9? I've heard that something happened, but I have no idea what's going on.
@@hato_popo Basically money problems and un-returned warranty guns iirc; not sure if malicious or not but I am forced to have no skin in the game (thanks commiefornia)
@@stuckincommiefornia ah, I see. That's unfortunate. The gun itself looked quite cool.
Thanks for letting me know!
hato popo I believe unfortunately they had the curse of too much success. Too many orders too soon stressed their production capabilities and some guns went out that weren’t up snuff. Which means now their customer service department is overloaded with following up on the QC issues. It looks like a really neat design, I hope they get it sorted out soon.
@@hato_popo They're also embroiled in lawsuits against one of their suppliers. The supplier is suing fir failure to pay, and Hudson is countersuing for getting bad parts.
Which could be causing the other problems.
What ever you're going for sound at this shoot, keep doing it for all the videos. The sounds of the gun running and firing are very satisfying.
Well done to you guys for giving Desert Tech the chance to remedy their rifle. Looks like a good solid product. Look forward to seeing it again on InRange!
Did you guys test it with wolf or other steel case ammo? Just curious
No, because they told us it won't work with Wolf. We don't consider that to be a mark against an otherwise functional rifle; Wolf steel-case ammo is pretty crap.
@@ForgottenWeapons Definitely agree. Would be a nice bonus if it did.
@@Conserpov The AK platform had the benefit of practically unlimited state resources of the USSR thrown at it for decades of development. The MDR has had the resources of a small private company for a fraction of that time. The fact that it cant shoot steel cased ammo is disappointing, but not necessarily a mark against the rifle or its designers. I'd say given the circumstances, what the MDR has accomplished is pretty damn impressive.
I was curious about non ball 308 ammo like soft points or flex tip.
@@ForgottenWeapons desert tech just posted a video of them shooting different types of ammo. One of them was steel, I believe tullammo
IIRC from the DesertTech response the previous #6 setting was supposed to be normal so the now marked #4... So you seem to be shooting the same setting, whose size they marginally increased to improve M80 ball reliability.
They've obviously done some other work than simply changing port size in order to get the reduced recoil impulse that the refurbished gun has.
@@ostiariusalpha I don't remember the exact changes in the gas port sizes, I'm merely pointing out that they are still referring to the old #6 as the highest setting, when on the old #6 was standard and #5 was the highest gas setting. Of course that old ordering was counter-intuitive, which is why I'm glad they changed the order/label of the different gas settings, but Ian or Karl should have IMO mentioned the confusion regarding the old gas settings and how that should cause a different interpretation of the first test. And regarding recoil a side by side of the two gas regulators would have been optimal, because I'm unsure how accurate a comparison after multiple weeks is.
What a super outcome. Development in real time. Well done !
What a great outcome. Nice work guys.
N I C E
"I'm not pointing this at you *on camera* "
Great work to all parties involved.
This is how we improve in life... through jolly cooperation!
Good luck with the match Karl and hope you do well.
Also, kudos to Desert Tech for working on this, going above and beyond. Really wish more companies had this type of attitude.
Great! They got it working!
...
MUD TEST?!
If you try to make something fail, it will, invariably.
@@Bartimusblue27 I just want them to throw mud on a future-tech rifle, brother.
They didn't test the steal cased ammo that also gave them a problem in their last testing
Read some of the other comments. The ejection system isn't designed to work with the extra friction that comes with steel casings.
Conser pov But this gun isn’t made for a military use, is it?
@@Conserpov If you want to run steel, you can take the ejection plate port off, and it'll run fine
@@Conserpov why is anyone in any military using a $3000 boutique bullpup? just so you know, comments like yours are why they disable replies after a while.
I was so excited when it got through the first mag. I'm really looking forward to the match videos since the rifle appears to be fixed. Kudos to Desert Tech and InRange for their efforts in improving this very interesting rifle.
Glad to see a manufacturer stick by their product but also address it honestly. Good to see from them, thanks for showing us the results of their tweaking.
InRangeTV approved after going through only 100 rounds of only one brand? I'm a little bit skeptical...
I would wait for the analysis after Karl uses it in the 3 gun match
An initial good sign, but still clearly a vast improvement.
That was 100 rounds on camera. They mention at the end of the video that they went through A TON of ammo off camera.
... I'm a lot skeptical.
@@SpaceFrawg Did you guys not watch the whole video? They mention at the end that while this was only 100 on camera, they went through a TON of ammo off camera and want support on Patreon to help them afford that ammo.
Long prong flash hider with no ring, nice.
Great to watch and great to hear Desert Tech's response. This is what you want from every company, when something isn't right it gets FIXED! No pretending everything is fine, no 'sure we'll get right on that', but action that brings results. Thumbs up. I'd love to hear what the results are from Mystery Mountain 3-gun. Best of luck to you.
big ups to the manufacuter for fixing the issues. thanks for the update guys. great work. this has become the gun i always wanted