I really like this format of video where you talk about a gun and then follow it up with a 2-gun action match part where you show it in action. Makes for a very well-rounded format :) .
I like it a lot too, but unfortunately, that's not possible for every firearm he covers. Sometimes the ammo isn't in production anymore, sometimes the rifle itself has become weakened over the years, etc.
I only wish we had had something like this back in the day. As a Cold War turbine engine mechanic, we had to carry our M16A1s even when working on a helicopter in a snowstorm.
I have a concept called a lap gun. That is a gun in a vehicle on the lap just in case someone needs a gun larger than a pistol to fight with from inside a vehicle. Let's say there is a group of people trying to tear someone out of their vehicle while it is stopped or disabled.
Awesome rifle. I’m really glad the MDR didn’t actually become a “forgotten weapon”. Good to see they’re leaning into the bullpup platform and showing people how efficient and ergonomic this system can be if you take the time to understand it and train on it. Having that much stopping power, range, and accuracy in something that small like the micron could be game changing for CQC for the high speed types. Idk I’m just an armchair general in the end of the day.
Yes, bullpups are amazing when done right. The people who shit on bullpups are usally speaking from past bullpups that were really flawed, but like other guns, trial and error means they have gotten much better now than what they were before.
@@livingcorpse5664 i would say it depends on the person and what kind of knowledge they have from game and books and such, also the type of weapon as well, I'm an Australian civilian that has been shooting a lot in Europe and has been lucky enough to try the new service rifle the bullpup F88, i'm fairly tall and long limbed but i prefer the bullpup in general because i enjoy how it feels to "pull" the platform in towards my body, if that makes sense, where for an m4 style i'm relatively stretched out and prefer that less.
@@livingcorpse5664 Considering that there some data about bullpup trained servicemen being tested on on m16 (IIRC, a while since I read it) configuration, and the results of the operation lag were surprisingly closely comparable to the situation vice versa, I'd go out on a limb and throw a guess that the most meaningful part is in what you were trained on. And to me it's at least a lot easier to adapt, than practice something completely new.
this is the perfect example of what bullpups are supposed to accomplish. also its weight is equivalent to the H&K (Umarex built) MP5 22lr mockup so its really not that heavy in the grand scheme.
Yeah exactly. Regular bullpups always seemed too big compared to regular rifles and it doesn't seem worth changing the entire operation for minimal benefit.
It's still heavy for a stubby little thing that is for vehicle crew once they get out of the beast. Remember that the M1 Carbine, really the first PDW by concept, is 5lbs.
And that tiny thing at 7.5 #s is only 2 #s lighter than a loaded M1 Garand! That is a freaking Brick! Ian was talking about putting a suppressor on it, at that point you would have a quiet, tiny brick that DOES weigh as much as an M1 Garand! That thing is cool but they really need to look at some weight saving ideas... Great Video, though. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
@@JohnDoe-pv2iu keep in mind that it's designed to be in .308 which makes it quite light(for that caliber).Its waaay overbuilt for 5.56.They could make a dedicated 5.56,non caliber swap version much lighter.
Been increasingly impressed with DesertTech's development and improvement with the MDR bullpups, this Micron definitely fits in the ranks for a very apt EP/ PSD platform or Truck gun.
11.5in is also the perfect minimum barrel length for 5.56. Several ballistic studies I’ve seen have concluded that 11.5in is the minimum length with 5.56 before it becomes ineffective (tumbling, major velocity loss, too much unburnt powder, etc)
You're right. It's been known for years in T/C Contender circles. When choosing ammunition for any SBR, try to find Contender load data; it's what the U.S. Marines ended up doing to come up with their Mk. 319 ammo, for instance.
I've got a Contender with a Fox Ridge .223 barrel that is 10" long. It is my most accurate firearm, regardless of caliber or configuration. I haven't chronographed it yet, but it is extremely accurate, even with cheapo steel ammo. I do load special ammo for it, but it almost doesn't seem to matter. Everything goes into a single hole at 100 yards.
The MDR is still my favorite bullpup model when it comes to design and efficiency. AUGs and Famas' or Tavors are cool and all(mostly because of how iconic they are) but god damn they made the MDR so efficient in every aspect. I don't really like bullpups that much either but that one just does it for me.
@@fnzer0 I'm owner of a gen1 mdr (post warranty) in 308 and it has issues. The forward eject is very prone to jamming and beats the hell out of brass even if it works. For reloaders that's terrible. According to some, the receiver is prone to cracking around the rear pin.
Also, Ian, you should include more competition footage with the forgotten weapons you've covered. I mean, I know historical and one of a kind firearms obviously shouldn't go through a competition. But you've covered a lot of firearms you could run through a match, and I would be interested to see how they run through competition, especially in your hands and the others you have as guest appearances (or regulars, for some of them). No matter what, though, your Channel was the first I subscribed to on TH-cam, and yours is one of my absolute favorites to watch, especially on this particular topic. Whenever Forgotten Weapons posts a video, I watch all of them, with very few exceptions. Honestly, as cool and fascinating and interesting as the mechanics of the different systems are, I think my two favorite parts about your content is the engineering progression of the many designs and the huge amounts of history, prominence, and just general story of how each one came to be. Thank you for producing an almost perfect TH-cam Channel that explores the parts of the firearms culture and history and mechanics that is the entire reason I continued to be interested in firearms long after I fired my first round at the range. 😁
A micron in the upcoming 8.6 blk cartridge really would maximize every advantage of the MDRx - a large rifle cartridge with good accuracy and ballistics, all in a compact package. Throw on a lpvo and a qd suppressor, then you're set!
If they ever work out the switchable forward ejection systems for this super compact model, and upgrade it to a large subsonic round like that, it would quite possibly be the single best close quarters rifle ever made.
It is but too many politicians are keeping the AR platform alive for another 50 years by literally adding a piston.. ~ a rural Texan who is a salty AK guy.
@@someguy5444 well our weapons and vehicles are all made by the lowest bidder. So it would make sense to go to Mattel or Hasbro, or whoever they got now, to print more AR pattern rifles because it is so cheap. I can only see this given to Spec Ops/SF. If it could be mass produced, it would definitely give an edge in urban combat zones.
Same. I'm waiting until they get everything sorted on 5.56, 308, 300blk, and 8.6 blk, in all barrel-handguard configurations. One SBR to rule them all.
How has your experience been? I'm trying to decide between the MDRX or the Hellion, and don't really know anyone who has either to compare or try either one out.
@@RageMagikarp I got a first gen MDR when they finally became available and somehow miraculously got one that was almost perfect. I had to send it in to have an ejection panel adjusted. Your mileage my vary but the design has been improved since then.So the newer ones are supposedly fixed.Mine is in .308 and shoots moa with good ammo.Im overall happy with it and it's one of my favorites in my collection. Having the ability to reconfigure it is awesome for a nonstandard design. Mantis handguard is badass btw!I think the MDR is THE most ergonomic of all the bullpup designs and I can reload mine as fast or faster than my ar's The Hellion is time tested and military tough though.That says alot too.The Croatians love it for a reason.I don't think you could go wrong with either.My personal preference is the MDR.
Considering that now SBRs are just as small as SMGs, if not smaller (SIG Rattler, this thing, etc), are SMGs now obsolete? I love SMGs, but considering that the price point between top of the line SMGs and SBRs are miniscule, I couldn't see why a tactical team, police, military or private security, would choose pistol-caliber SMGs with poorer stopping power and range. Genuinely asking, since I'm writing a book with heavy action centering around a police spec ops team in a lite-sci fi urban fantasy world and since I live in a country with extremely strict gun control, doing research on my own on this subject is quite difficult. Thanks in advance for any answer!
At least I got told that there are two main reasons police like the pistol rounds. The first is that most pistol rounds don't exit the body of the target and can't hit bystanders, the other reason is that usually the police don't want to actually kill the target so even with body armor it most likely render the target unable to fight after he got hit with a round and can be detained
There's another firearms expert I follow who works with Gamespot. Johnathan Young, I believe. He also works with Ian. In his work with Gamespot, when talking about sci-fi games, he often expresses doubt about how much longer SMGs will last. Some notable examples are in him reacting to Alien: Fireteam Elite and Mass Effect weapons. Here's a link to Alien: FTE th-cam.com/video/M5YylyfzXYQ/w-d-xo.html However, while I am not a firearms expert, I would suggest that pistol-caliber weapons might see a comeback in an environment such as a space station or spaceship engine room where there's a lot of very tight quarters crammed with things you DON'T want to hit. It would be easier to armor essential components (electrical, atmosphere, things that might go boom if you shoot it) against low-powered pistol cartridges than an intermediate cartridge. And in a space station or spaceship, where EVERYTHING needs to be utilized to the maximum, it would be hard to justify armoring things enough to make even essential components bulletproof. Therefore, I can see why security forces on a civilian space station would use future MP-5s and shotguns and hope they could control firearms and body armor, rather than risk using higher-powered weapons.
I’m no expert either, but I believe another benefit to using a pistol caliber in a law enforcement setting is that they are easier to suppress. If you’ve ever fired a weapon in an enclosed area…. It’s not pleasant.
I've honestly been waiting for more content on this rifle for a while, specially seeing it in a match or something! Seems like a really good option for someone who wants a small rifle. I really like it's looks too, almost futuristic
That gun is really cool and it looks like it fuctions perfectly, i could see many people using that gun if they have the money, it looks really cool and unique, like something an infiltration team could use, or something a security force could use in a secluded space.
Now if only they could fix the design, QA, and QC issues which lead to almost half of the rifles being non-functional and requiring months or years of dealing with RMA issues. I've got one, mine is actually a Micron now, and it finally works but the 3 times back to the factory and 12 other replacement part deliveries over the span of almost a year paints a pretty grim picture for reliability and longevity. If they can improve their metal heat treat process, improve their machining standards, and not sell calibers that catastrophically damage the rifle in less than 100 rounds(300blk) I think it will be an amazing rifle I'd choose over others; but being on barrel #4, gas piston #5, oprod #3, bolt #6, bolt carrier #2, and trigger pack #2 as well as being aware of how many other people have serious issues with a rifle they paid $2k+ for doesn't leave me with a whole lot of confidence.
Well they don't actually ship 300BLK Microns anymore, for that reason. It isn't a QC issue, they realized that 300BLK just doesn't work in the Micron, and that they need to come up with a solution for the low gas pressure. Their R&D has been trying to figure out how to make it work on the Micron and won't assemble a single 300 BLK until then. I tried, they literally will not sell a 300BLK right now, not even in rifle length barrels. So it's not like they're just sending out thousands of broken guns, they recognized the issues once they came up, and stopped making them until they can find a fix. Not to mention they also continue to provide warranty support to anyone who has a 300BLK currently. You should consider how many companies would replace that many parts before trying to blame the customer for the issue. Also consider how many other companies would outright deny that their designs have a problem to begin with.
@@nighttrucker9781 They never sold 300blk Microns, they only sold 16" which is what I had starting off with. And yes they are sending out lots of broken guns, the most common failures right now are bolts and cam pins snapping in half, and polymer still cracking. Prior to the bullpupforum going down there was an entire catalog of issues. I ditched 300blk and went to 5.56 after the 5th time my rifle bent a gas piston in half and beat the oprod to death. And yeah they're going to keep replacing parts because you can prove they screwed up and the parts don't fit, came busted, have visible defects, etc. Finally they do deny their design has a problem, they will only state that future wishes for "I want a FE 300blk Micron" would require "significant design changes". You have to get the real reason from elsewhere because no one will officially admit there is any problem.
@@Wolvenhaven well I have a 20" 6.5 that works flawlessly, and of the few people in the company I've talked to from their marketing team, they're always straightforward about issues they're dealing with. My 6.5 has between 4000-5000 rounds through it so far, and I've never had cam pins snap or polymer crack. I'm not sure what you're doing to your gun to break it so much, but I also regularly shoot with several other people who own MDRX's, and they've also never had any serious problems. If a company shipped nothing but broken guns, they would go bankrupt. But go ahead and complain. Chances are you had one problem with the gun, so now you cry like a Fudd on every post or video about them.
@@Wolvenhaven you also contradicted yourself there. They don't have a FE 300 BLK Micron, and they no longer ship 300BLK at all, because it requires significant design changes. They have already acknowledged it doesn't work properly with the current design. There's no hidden reason there my dude. My guess is that you're not a mechanical engineer, so maybe you don't realize that some calibers are not easy to swap. 300BLK has always been finicky no matter operation is used, because they are low pressure rounds even with supersonic ammo.
Glad to see Desert Tech is doing well despite doing something new and different. And holy moly when you have that thing as your main gun and an Alien as your backup gun you really become a Space Marine :P
@@jjones6606 Well that escalated quickly. Can i enjoy a gun company doing something right without having to know which reason they're being cancelled for?
Biggest problem with 300 BLK is wide range of bullet speed vs barrel length variations and chamber cool down time. It needs a mechanical timing for ejection to be reliable at any bullet speed and barrel or gas length
Mechanical timing wouldn't do you any good b/c once you make it work for a specific bullet and loading then you're stuck with that. You can't exactly change a cam track, a spring rate, or bolt mass easily in the field. The best solution is an adjustable gas block, which is field adjustable. Gas ports for 300 blackout are usually sized very large so that they cycle with subsonic ammunition. When you change to supersonic ammunition the gun is technically over-gassed. That's where the adjustable has block comes in. Barrel length isn't really much of a factor with this cartridge. If you'll notice, all barrel lengths have the same gas system length. The cartridge generally uses a fairly fast burning pistol powder.
The problem is that the MDRX has the gas port very far down the barrel for 300 blackout (9.5 inches from the bolt face I believe), especially with such a short barrel. The gas system isn't really doing anything until the bullet passes the gas port, and then it's not doing anything again after the bullet leaves the barrel.
@@oldscratch3535 I've done adjustable gas block as well as pig tail and buffers, they all were failures. Pistol length gas is too early of extraction for supersonic. Even slow super sonic loads. Barrel length vs gas port position is an issue between super and sub sonic. Too long a Barrel with pistol gas will keep pressure too high during extraction for sub sonic. Pistol gas at any length of Barrel is too early for super sonic. The ejection starts before the pressure drop and extraction issues show up. With mechanical timing, they can reload after chamber pressures drop. But it will most likely become a machine-gun by definition.
This is the reason for bullpups - very compact in 5.56 for carrying as emergency backup. The battle rifles tend to suffer with lack of mounting rail / ubgl fits, and the ejection issue. Shame this last point regressed on this design, thank you for smooth review
11" is kinda a sweet spot for 556.. heck, even my psa11.5 upper on my ar22 I designed with a cmmg conversion is staying consistent out to 250-350ish with just irons. As good of a point and shooter as my full size 556 shtf gun. Kinda want to try this mdrx out now. Would be a great truck or qrf/irf kit gun
Watching Ian trying to take the longer shots with an Aimpoint made me think about what I've seen people do with red dots at the range. People tend to crank up the brightness on the red dot, when they should be doing the opposite for accuracy. If you turn the brightness all the way down and bring it up slowly until one stop after being able to see it comfortably, this lower brightness is best for accuracy, as you don't have a slight corona blur around the dot like you do at higher brightness settings. This is key for taking accurate shots with a 1x or less red dot, especially if you are older and/or have astigmatism.
Forgotten weapons for me is slowly turning from a "Hey, the mechanical solutions are pretty neat in that gun" to "Hey, that gun is pretty neat, I'm gonna go look into whether I can get my hands on one for reasonable price". Learning about guns is fun, but owning and shooting them at the range is even more fun. I'm really eyeing a civillian Scorpion Evo my local shop has in store right, I love smgs and mini carbines.
Seems like, since this is already a tax stamp gun, it may make sense for them to make an integrally suppressed 300BLK so that it gets that extra back pressure to operate reliably from the longer gas system.
I have an MDRX in .556 and you can buy the micron conversion kit for it. I haven't done it yet because I don't want to give the Government any money for an SBR when the forward election model I have works wonderfully! But it is awesome to see it in action and I still want it lol!! Great job as always brother!!
Beautiful gun, and cool to see that it shoots well too! I always loved tiny but accurate rifles, my favourite loadout when playing Arma 3 coop is an MXC with Holo while everybody else carries some sort of a sniper for 300m engagements 🙃
The funny thing is a tiny .556 rifle with a lpvo on top can easily engage targets anywhere from 0-300 meters. With just a red dot on my 11 inch ar15 I can consistently hit a torso plate out at 300 meters, the bullet might be a little slow by then but I still don't want to get hit with it.
The normal size (not the super short barrels) does have a .300 Blackout option barrel, but I guess the super short barrel is so short there isn't enough barrel past the gas block to put enough pressure in the gas system.
@@shred1894 Not anymore, they discontinued it after my .300blk and several others would catastrophically fail in less than 100 rounds repeatedly. I have spent the last year going back and forth with I think at this point almost 15 RMAs to get a working rifle. Funnily enough mine is actually a Micron now and it had 2 RMAs for faulty parts but is actually functioning finally.
I really think bullpups are the future, but the one piece I still don’t understand is weight. Why are they so heavy? There is no real reason. I’ve heard they have to be beefier for safety because of chamber location, but you don’t want a standard rifle to explode near your face either. DT has proven the trigger can be fixed. Ergonomics are no problem if you actually take ~30min to train them. And the modern trend toward shorter rifles and suppressor / light-laser use are all things that fit the bullpup well as it retains barrel length while being short oal and balances better than conventional designs with a heavy suppressor and laser all the way on the end. To reiterate… why can’t they make a 6.5-7lb bullpup?!
The higher weights comes from the need to make the receiver save from the grip backwards cause you put your face their. The upside is that even with higher weight, the weight distribution lends itself for long marches cause most of the weight is close to the body. AR builds with lots of accessories and a heavy barrel are quite front heavy so some soldiers added a front grip just to make carrying easier. The big downsides of a bullpup are the trigger (long bars in most designs, best probably the RDB) and limited space at the front. Other than that there is problematic access to clear malfunctions and most lack an adjustable stock.
@@onpsxmember see that’s where I disagree… you don’t see ARs exploding, so there is no reason a bullpup has to be made any stronger just because it’s an inch or two closer to your face. An exploding AR would still be right near your eyes and neck. The “inaccessibility” of clearing malfunctions is completely false except for weird designs like the F2000 or alternate forward ejecting DT.
I know this comes with its own drawbacks, but, has anyone thought of doing an electronic Trigger on a bullpups? Seems the main complaint is always the trigger pull, that could totally remove that.
Looks good for a security detail, truck gun, and or bug out bag. 11.5 55.6 gets the job done in shorter engagements just fine as well. All in all its a nich weapon but it's still cool af.
The thing about short barrels being bad at long range was something that Hickock45 taught me was wrong in a video from some years ago. His explanation was pretty simple. The shorter a barrel is the less it will flex if everything else is equal. That means that the precision can actually be higher with a shorter barrel. However the muzzle velocity will be lower so the bullet will take longer to get to the target. This makes it more susceptible to wind. So the end result depends on the situation. Other than that the sight radius using iron sights is also going to weigh in, but again even though they are still as precise, your accuracy using them will be lower. A barrel can be to short, but it's probably shorter than you think. A too short barrel is one where the bullet doesn't stabilized into the rifling and exits while still not true to the center axis of the barrel. So the ideal barrel length isn't always going to be the same. If you need the muzzle velocity you go for a barrel that allows the best use of the powder. But then you may have to up the barrel weight to make it stiffer. Now to be honest most of us would probably not be able to make use of the difference. But the physics is still there.
5.56 doesn’t like to come from barrels under ~10”. You lose a lot of accuracy under 10” with 5.56. This 11.5” should be absolutely shootable out to 300-400yd, which is *more* than plenty for a 5.56 rifle.
4:20 Weird notion, but I wonder why they can't just thin the piston... would that not increase the gas pressure? Perhaps simply not by enough for how thin they can realistically get it. Edit: the MDRx is not a DI gun*
The problem is that as the round travels down the barrel, the gas pressure behind it drops. You can't increase pressure once its dropped, all decreasing tube size would do would be to allow less gas to be siphoned off.
Gas tube? It's short stroke gas piston (like pretty much all modern rifles), it dosn't have "gas tube". And you can't just make gas block and piston smaller. They have to be certain size to withstand forces acting on them times safety factor (whatever Desert Tech is using, but most likely at least 1.5) Americans and their AR fetish...
You might increase flow pressure to the chamber, but the tradeoff would be volume. Given the short distance between the gas tap and the end of the barrel, there may not be enough time to pressurize the cycling system to a sufficient degree...
As stated by others, the MDRX uses a short stroke gas piston operation. That "tube" houses a gas piston, you can't just simply make it thinner. It would require a complete redesign of the entire gas system.
This feels like the type of gun you'd see a game erroneously designate as a submachine gun. (So much so that I actually had to go to IMFDB to make sure I had not seen this in a game before)
5.56mm in a relatively heavy gun does make for a comfortable recoil. This logically decreases the advantage of a muzzle brake and being short increases the disadvantages.
I definitely like the slightly longer format, but definitely adding in dynamic shooting helps add a bit of experience value to the videos. The History/Exterior - Teardown/Design - Experience/Performance formula seems like it does a good job of explaining everything you need to know.
Glad I'm not alone in the thought that this thing looks adorable. Yet it's something I'd be proud to show off and try down the range. Not gonna lie, I kind of want it bad. Probably costs like $5000 or something though.
This is another very compelling argument for the bullpup by Desert Tech. Like many others, probably, I was saddened by the issue with .300 Blackout. Hopefully they'll find a workaround in this chassis, or if not, its next iteration.
I love it when he materializes a gun out of thin air just for comparrison reasons! 🙌
Regular Jesus does the water to wine thing and gun jesus just spawns in guns at will.
@@philipwilkin2667 Bread and fish too.
@@philipwilkin2667 I know which power I'd rather have!
Right?
It's especially funny when it's some crazy rare obscure thing.
I really like this format of video where you talk about a gun and then follow it up with a 2-gun action match part where you show it in action. Makes for a very well-rounded format :) .
Agreed!
I like it a lot too, but unfortunately, that's not possible for every firearm he covers. Sometimes the ammo isn't in production anymore, sometimes the rifle itself has become weakened over the years, etc.
@@eligostheexalted Of course. But it's nice when it is :) .
I know that you appreciate mechanical things. Just did not expect you here, but did at the same time. Ian should do a table drop for giggles.
@@ThePoorPCgamer I reckon if I'd have been American, I'd have had a gun channel xD .
Ah yes, the Mesignated Darksmans Rifle
Blasphemy!
The Messiah graded son of man rifle.
(I know, it is a stretch for a Gun Jesus joke)
Lmfao 😂😂😂
Mostly Dyslexic Rifle?
😂
Darksmans rifle? Racist.
Jesus that thing is tiny! But when you held up the mp5 it really hit home how compact it really is!
Ian is enough, you don't have to call him Jesus.
Feels like the future to me!
@@_aullik The man has long hair and a beard...................he could be Jesus.
@@frankbrown4780: if Jesus can appear in grilled cheese, salami, and wood, then he can appear brandishing unique weapons!
@@Victor-056 gun Jesus indeed
...what's this? A positively glowing review for a non-FAMAS Bullpup by Ian?
Sacrebleu! It's a Micron miracle!
It looks adorable, and it strikes me as potentially being an excellent vehicle crewman weapon.
as a vehicle crewman, fucking yes please...
I only wish we had had something like this back in the day. As a Cold War turbine engine mechanic, we had to carry our M16A1s even when working on a helicopter in a snowstorm.
I have a concept called a lap gun. That is a gun in a vehicle on the lap just in case someone needs a gun larger than a pistol to fight with from inside a vehicle. Let's say there is a group of people trying to tear someone out of their vehicle while it is stopped or disabled.
I’m a 19K and I would run over my mother to have this over the M4s and M17s we have
@@12vscience So.... a PDW?
Not gonna lie, that stubby bullpup looks adorable IMHO.
It is😎
Adorable is a funny word for a gun but it's true.
I don't know if I want to take it out to the range to shoot it, or take it out to the park to play fetch with it.
@@fnc5369 it would like you to pet it.
I live itb
Basically what the Magpul PDR-C wanted to be. It's a really neat little rifle and it's great to also see it perform well in th e range
I read this at first and thought "what's an "e range"? My brain tired.
Huh
Awesome rifle. I’m really glad the MDR didn’t actually become a “forgotten weapon”. Good to see they’re leaning into the bullpup platform and showing people how efficient and ergonomic this system can be if you take the time to understand it and train on it. Having that much stopping power, range, and accuracy in something that small like the micron could be game changing for CQC for the high speed types. Idk I’m just an armchair general in the end of the day.
Yes, bullpups are amazing when done right. The people who shit on bullpups are usally speaking from past bullpups that were really flawed, but like other guns, trial and error means they have gotten much better now than what they were before.
@@livingcorpse5664 Or have been practically raised on a standard m4 style platform and are incapable of recognizing their biases haha.
@@adamredmayne1326 I wonder how someone who never used a gun before would fair if they were to be trained on both.
@@livingcorpse5664 i would say it depends on the person and what kind of knowledge they have from game and books and such, also the type of weapon as well, I'm an Australian civilian that has been shooting a lot in Europe and has been lucky enough to try the new service rifle the bullpup F88, i'm fairly tall and long limbed but i prefer the bullpup in general because i enjoy how it feels to "pull" the platform in towards my body, if that makes sense, where for an m4 style i'm relatively stretched out and prefer that less.
@@livingcorpse5664 Considering that there some data about bullpup trained servicemen being tested on on m16 (IIRC, a while since I read it) configuration, and the results of the operation lag were surprisingly closely comparable to the situation vice versa, I'd go out on a limb and throw a guess that the most meaningful part is in what you were trained on. And to me it's at least a lot easier to adapt, than practice something completely new.
"Water immersion testing" so what you're saying is that someone washed a regular MDR by accident and that's how they got the first micron.
"I was in the pool!"
Boating accident.
left the dryer on normal instead of "air fluff"
Check out garand thumbs review and you'll see
this is the perfect example of what bullpups are supposed to accomplish. also its weight is equivalent to the H&K (Umarex built) MP5 22lr mockup so its really not that heavy in the grand scheme.
Yeah exactly. Regular bullpups always seemed too big compared to regular rifles and it doesn't seem worth changing the entire operation for minimal benefit.
It's still heavy for a stubby little thing that is for vehicle crew once they get out of the beast.
Remember that the M1 Carbine, really the first PDW by concept, is 5lbs.
@@ScottKenny1978 that was the comparison Ian was trying to make.🤔
And that tiny thing at 7.5 #s is only 2 #s lighter than a loaded M1 Garand! That is a freaking Brick! Ian was talking about putting a suppressor on it, at that point you would have a quiet, tiny brick that DOES weigh as much as an M1 Garand! That thing is cool but they really need to look at some weight saving ideas...
Great Video, though. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
@@JohnDoe-pv2iu keep in mind that it's designed to be in .308 which makes it quite light(for that caliber).Its waaay overbuilt for 5.56.They could make a dedicated 5.56,non caliber swap version much lighter.
Been increasingly impressed with DesertTech's development and improvement with the MDR bullpups, this Micron definitely fits in the ranks for a very apt EP/ PSD platform or Truck gun.
11.5in is also the perfect minimum barrel length for 5.56. Several ballistic studies I’ve seen have concluded that 11.5in is the minimum length with 5.56 before it becomes ineffective (tumbling, major velocity loss, too much unburnt powder, etc)
You're right. It's been known for years in T/C Contender circles.
When choosing ammunition for any SBR, try to find Contender load data; it's what the U.S. Marines ended up doing to come up with their Mk. 319 ammo, for instance.
@@davidgoodnow269 thank you for the recommendation!
I've got a Contender with a Fox Ridge .223 barrel that is 10" long. It is my most accurate firearm, regardless of caliber or configuration. I haven't chronographed it yet, but it is extremely accurate, even with cheapo steel ammo. I do load special ammo for it, but it almost doesn't seem to matter. Everything goes into a single hole at 100 yards.
If they ever make a new Stargate series, THIS should be their standard weapon.
Slaughtered by the Jaffa in the very first episode, wrong gas settings, problems with ejection... RIP
But but but, p90.
... or metal gear solid 😁
send them suggestion. i believe they are in pre production for pilot
@@jebise1126 link?
Its one of the rare firearms that i would love to see in a video game
Damn, that thing would look right at home in a near-future fps. So cool looking.
Loooks like a mtr in bf4
@@loneliestshrimp1181 which was an fps set in a hypothetical near-future, so my point stands.
@@J0J0Reference I’m just pointing it out
it was used in the game Contract Wars, which takes place in the late 2020s
@@almost_friday9745 neat
Damn... Never heard of this beautiful gun before... Looks cool as hell. I am glad you took it to the range, Ian. GJ
Ian - the only human being ever to wear $20 jeans with an Alien holstered on them. GG Gun Jesus. GG.
The MDR is still my favorite bullpup model when it comes to design and efficiency. AUGs and Famas' or Tavors are cool and all(mostly because of how iconic they are) but god damn they made the MDR so efficient in every aspect. I don't really like bullpups that much either but that one just does it for me.
As an owner of the MDR, if you have the choice between MDR or MDRx. Choose the MDRx. Side eject preferred.
@@ghost101049 Why?
@@fnzer0 I'm owner of a gen1 mdr (post warranty) in 308 and it has issues. The forward eject is very prone to jamming and beats the hell out of brass even if it works. For reloaders that's terrible. According to some, the receiver is prone to cracking around the rear pin.
Turns out the side eject is only for the smaller calibers like 223 and 300blk. Not 308 or 6.5 creed. Damn.
"Welcome to forgotten weapons. Here's a weapon you've never heard of, much less forgot about."
I’m all about old revolvers and wood stocks but this little guy is cool af!
I've been wanting the regular MDRX in 5.56 for quite some time... Now I'd like two. Edit: I can't afford two.
I can't afford one.
They offer the micron as a kit as well....but yeah $$$
And don't forget the tax stamp! :0)
I'm so broke im not allowed in the gun store
Now imagine one would cost you as much as the Alien pistol...that's about the price for one here and i probably can't get the micron ever.
This cute bullpup feels like it was meant to compete and WIN against the Tavor 7.
Also, Ian, you should include more competition footage with the forgotten weapons you've covered.
I mean, I know historical and one of a kind firearms obviously shouldn't go through a competition.
But you've covered a lot of firearms you could run through a match, and I would be interested to see how they run through competition, especially in your hands and the others you have as guest appearances (or regulars, for some of them).
No matter what, though, your Channel was the first I subscribed to on TH-cam, and yours is one of my absolute favorites to watch, especially on this particular topic.
Whenever Forgotten Weapons posts a video, I watch all of them, with very few exceptions.
Honestly, as cool and fascinating and interesting as the mechanics of the different systems are, I think my two favorite parts about your content is the engineering progression of the many designs and the huge amounts of history, prominence, and just general story of how each one came to be.
Thank you for producing an almost perfect TH-cam Channel that explores the parts of the firearms culture and history and mechanics that is the entire reason I continued to be interested in firearms long after I fired my first round at the range. 😁
A micron in the upcoming 8.6 blk cartridge really would maximize every advantage of the MDRx - a large rifle cartridge with good accuracy and ballistics, all in a compact package. Throw on a lpvo and a qd suppressor, then you're set!
It’s just too heavy for how small it is
If they ever work out the switchable forward ejection systems for this super compact model, and upgrade it to a large subsonic round like that, it would quite possibly be the single best close quarters rifle ever made.
8.6blk?
A big fat .338 bullet at subsonic speeds?
.375 raptor would be really cool as well.
@@ScottKenny1978 Yep, it's a 6.5 Creedmoor necked up to .338, firing a 300 grain projectile at subsonic velocity from a 1:3 twist rate barrel.
Wow. I've always wanted a MDR, but this thing is a whole 'nother level. Looks like the future of firearms tech to me.
It is but too many politicians are keeping the AR platform alive for another 50 years by literally adding a piston.. ~ a rural Texan who is a salty AK guy.
@@someguy5444 well our weapons and vehicles are all made by the lowest bidder. So it would make sense to go to Mattel or Hasbro, or whoever they got now, to print more AR pattern rifles because it is so cheap. I can only see this given to Spec Ops/SF. If it could be mass produced, it would definitely give an edge in urban combat zones.
@@jeremiahkivi4256 It just hard to see dudes jizzing themselves turning their 7lb rifle into basically the worst AK alternative ever 😂
Yessss, Been waiting for you to cover this ever since I read of it months back!
The match results speak for themselves. Nice.
Gun Jesus called it "adorable" and that started my day off with a laugh.
This looks soooo much like Micro Tavor the IDF are using!
So awesome!
I'm hoping for a forward eject version cause that was one of the reasons I got an mdr
Same. I'm waiting until they get everything sorted on 5.56, 308, 300blk, and 8.6 blk, in all barrel-handguard configurations. One SBR to rule them all.
How has your experience been? I'm trying to decide between the MDRX or the Hellion, and don't really know anyone who has either to compare or try either one out.
@@RageMagikarp I got a first gen MDR when they finally became available and somehow miraculously got one that was almost perfect.
I had to send it in to have an ejection panel adjusted. Your mileage my vary but the design has been improved since then.So the newer ones are supposedly fixed.Mine is in .308 and shoots moa with good ammo.Im overall happy with it and it's one of my favorites in my collection. Having the ability to reconfigure it is awesome for a nonstandard design. Mantis handguard is badass btw!I think the MDR is THE most ergonomic of all the bullpup designs and I can reload mine as fast or faster than my ar's
The Hellion is time tested and military tough though.That says alot too.The Croatians love it for a reason.I don't think you could go wrong with either.My personal preference is the MDR.
@@RageMagikarp InRangeTV seems to be please with the reliability of his forward-ejecting 5.56 MDRX, for what it's worth
@@LDSG_A_Team Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on bullpupalooza as well to see if that will sway me in one direction or other
Wow, a rifle the size of an MP5 that shoots like a dream! Very impressive.
Considering that now SBRs are just as small as SMGs, if not smaller (SIG Rattler, this thing, etc), are SMGs now obsolete? I love SMGs, but considering that the price point between top of the line SMGs and SBRs are miniscule, I couldn't see why a tactical team, police, military or private security, would choose pistol-caliber SMGs with poorer stopping power and range.
Genuinely asking, since I'm writing a book with heavy action centering around a police spec ops team in a lite-sci fi urban fantasy world and since I live in a country with extremely strict gun control, doing research on my own on this subject is quite difficult. Thanks in advance for any answer!
possibly for reasons of over penetration, a 5.56 is going to potentially go through a lot more before stopping than a 9mm will
SMGs can get as small as CCWs - see Flux kits for the P320 and/or Glock. Rifle caliber SBRs can't.
At least I got told that there are two main reasons police like the pistol rounds. The first is that most pistol rounds don't exit the body of the target and can't hit bystanders, the other reason is that usually the police don't want to actually kill the target so even with body armor it most likely render the target unable to fight after he got hit with a round and can be detained
There's another firearms expert I follow who works with Gamespot. Johnathan Young, I believe. He also works with Ian. In his work with Gamespot, when talking about sci-fi games, he often expresses doubt about how much longer SMGs will last. Some notable examples are in him reacting to Alien: Fireteam Elite and Mass Effect weapons. Here's a link to Alien: FTE th-cam.com/video/M5YylyfzXYQ/w-d-xo.html
However, while I am not a firearms expert, I would suggest that pistol-caliber weapons might see a comeback in an environment such as a space station or spaceship engine room where there's a lot of very tight quarters crammed with things you DON'T want to hit. It would be easier to armor essential components (electrical, atmosphere, things that might go boom if you shoot it) against low-powered pistol cartridges than an intermediate cartridge. And in a space station or spaceship, where EVERYTHING needs to be utilized to the maximum, it would be hard to justify armoring things enough to make even essential components bulletproof. Therefore, I can see why security forces on a civilian space station would use future MP-5s and shotguns and hope they could control firearms and body armor, rather than risk using higher-powered weapons.
I’m no expert either, but I believe another benefit to using a pistol caliber in a law enforcement setting is that they are easier to suppress. If you’ve ever fired a weapon in an enclosed area…. It’s not pleasant.
Long time fan of bullpups but this little cutie takes the cake!
This kind of reminds me of that Magpul PDR concept from a while back.
I've honestly been waiting for more content on this rifle for a while, specially seeing it in a match or something! Seems like a really good option for someone who wants a small rifle. I really like it's looks too, almost futuristic
That gun is really cool and it looks like it fuctions perfectly, i could see many people using that gun if they have the money, it looks really cool and unique, like something an infiltration team could use, or something a security force could use in a secluded space.
Holy fuck imagine a micron in .300 blackout with a modified frame for Quadmags
Now if only they could fix the design, QA, and QC issues which lead to almost half of the rifles being non-functional and requiring months or years of dealing with RMA issues. I've got one, mine is actually a Micron now, and it finally works but the 3 times back to the factory and 12 other replacement part deliveries over the span of almost a year paints a pretty grim picture for reliability and longevity.
If they can improve their metal heat treat process, improve their machining standards, and not sell calibers that catastrophically damage the rifle in less than 100 rounds(300blk) I think it will be an amazing rifle I'd choose over others; but being on barrel #4, gas piston #5, oprod #3, bolt #6, bolt carrier #2, and trigger pack #2 as well as being aware of how many other people have serious issues with a rifle they paid $2k+ for doesn't leave me with a whole lot of confidence.
Well they don't actually ship 300BLK Microns anymore, for that reason. It isn't a QC issue, they realized that 300BLK just doesn't work in the Micron, and that they need to come up with a solution for the low gas pressure. Their R&D has been trying to figure out how to make it work on the Micron and won't assemble a single 300 BLK until then. I tried, they literally will not sell a 300BLK right now, not even in rifle length barrels. So it's not like they're just sending out thousands of broken guns, they recognized the issues once they came up, and stopped making them until they can find a fix.
Not to mention they also continue to provide warranty support to anyone who has a 300BLK currently. You should consider how many companies would replace that many parts before trying to blame the customer for the issue. Also consider how many other companies would outright deny that their designs have a problem to begin with.
@@nighttrucker9781 They never sold 300blk Microns, they only sold 16" which is what I had starting off with. And yes they are sending out lots of broken guns, the most common failures right now are bolts and cam pins snapping in half, and polymer still cracking. Prior to the bullpupforum going down there was an entire catalog of issues.
I ditched 300blk and went to 5.56 after the 5th time my rifle bent a gas piston in half and beat the oprod to death. And yeah they're going to keep replacing parts because you can prove they screwed up and the parts don't fit, came busted, have visible defects, etc.
Finally they do deny their design has a problem, they will only state that future wishes for "I want a FE 300blk Micron" would require "significant design changes". You have to get the real reason from elsewhere because no one will officially admit there is any problem.
@@Wolvenhaven well I have a 20" 6.5 that works flawlessly, and of the few people in the company I've talked to from their marketing team, they're always straightforward about issues they're dealing with.
My 6.5 has between 4000-5000 rounds through it so far, and I've never had cam pins snap or polymer crack. I'm not sure what you're doing to your gun to break it so much, but I also regularly shoot with several other people who own MDRX's, and they've also never had any serious problems.
If a company shipped nothing but broken guns, they would go bankrupt. But go ahead and complain. Chances are you had one problem with the gun, so now you cry like a Fudd on every post or video about them.
@@Wolvenhaven you also contradicted yourself there. They don't have a FE 300 BLK Micron, and they no longer ship 300BLK at all, because it requires significant design changes. They have already acknowledged it doesn't work properly with the current design. There's no hidden reason there my dude. My guess is that you're not a mechanical engineer, so maybe you don't realize that some calibers are not easy to swap. 300BLK has always been finicky no matter operation is used, because they are low pressure rounds even with supersonic ammo.
I gotta love that customer support, even if it's a horrible PITA. Thanks for being an early adopter and for letting us know!
Seen the MDR before and then the video started and I was legit shocked rofl this thing is so tiny its crazy
This thing really looks like a conceal carry gun for when you can wear jackets
Also a lap gun in a vehicle.
The bullpuppy. The bullpuppiest even. The bullpuppiest bullpup there ever was.
How much pup would a bullpup bull if the bullpup would bull pup?
Glad to see Desert Tech is doing well despite doing something new and different.
And holy moly when you have that thing as your main gun and an Alien as your backup gun you really become a Space Marine :P
@@jjones6606 What
@@jjones6606 I understand the words, that isn't really the issue. I'm trying to figure out what they have to do with anything OP said at all
@@jjones6606 Well that escalated quickly.
Can i enjoy a gun company doing something right without having to know which reason they're being cancelled for?
@@jjones6606 Do you often come off as a condescending self-righteous prick or do you make an exception for TH-cam comments?
Yeah, those both look like something like the Colonial Marines would use.
I love Tavors and micros like this. They make a lot of sense with the big barrel in a small package.
Or in this case a small barrel in a tiny package
Biggest problem with 300 BLK is wide range of bullet speed vs barrel length variations and chamber cool down time. It needs a mechanical timing for ejection to be reliable at any bullet speed and barrel or gas length
Mechanical timing wouldn't do you any good b/c once you make it work for a specific bullet and loading then you're stuck with that. You can't exactly change a cam track, a spring rate, or bolt mass easily in the field. The best solution is an adjustable gas block, which is field adjustable.
Gas ports for 300 blackout are usually sized very large so that they cycle with subsonic ammunition. When you change to supersonic ammunition the gun is technically over-gassed. That's where the adjustable has block comes in.
Barrel length isn't really much of a factor with this cartridge. If you'll notice, all barrel lengths have the same gas system length. The cartridge generally uses a fairly fast burning pistol powder.
The problem is that the MDRX has the gas port very far down the barrel for 300 blackout (9.5 inches from the bolt face I believe), especially with such a short barrel. The gas system isn't really doing anything until the bullet passes the gas port, and then it's not doing anything again after the bullet leaves the barrel.
@@oldscratch3535 I've done adjustable gas block as well as pig tail and buffers, they all were failures. Pistol length gas is too early of extraction for supersonic. Even slow super sonic loads.
Barrel length vs gas port position is an issue between super and sub sonic. Too long a Barrel with pistol gas will keep pressure too high during extraction for sub sonic. Pistol gas at any length of Barrel is too early for super sonic. The ejection starts before the pressure drop and extraction issues show up.
With mechanical timing, they can reload after chamber pressures drop. But it will most likely become a machine-gun by definition.
gun jesus casually materializing an mp5 to subtly demonstrate the scale of His power
"Mom, can we have PDR?"
"No, we have PDR at home"
PDR at home:
This is the reason for bullpups - very compact in 5.56 for carrying as emergency backup. The battle rifles tend to suffer with lack of mounting rail / ubgl fits, and the ejection issue. Shame this last point regressed on this design, thank you for smooth review
One of the best (if not the best bullpup). The go to bullpup if you want to buy one. Also its so adorable.
Amazing at the range, for a compact with such 200m accuracy is a wonder. Thanks Ian
11" is kinda a sweet spot for 556.. heck, even my psa11.5 upper on my ar22 I designed with a cmmg conversion is staying consistent out to 250-350ish with just irons. As good of a point and shooter as my full size 556 shtf gun. Kinda want to try this mdrx out now. Would be a great truck or qrf/irf kit gun
Ian truly was double cheeked up on that last stage
Wow, now there's a bullpup I'd actually Want to obtain. 👍🏻
Ooh, you can really _Thunder_ past the competition with a nimble lil' SBR like this!
I'm not a fan of bullpups, but the size of this is something to be appreciated.
Watching Ian trying to take the longer shots with an Aimpoint made me think about what I've seen people do with red dots at the range. People tend to crank up the brightness on the red dot, when they should be doing the opposite for accuracy. If you turn the brightness all the way down and bring it up slowly until one stop after being able to see it comfortably, this lower brightness is best for accuracy, as you don't have a slight corona blur around the dot like you do at higher brightness settings. This is key for taking accurate shots with a 1x or less red dot, especially if you are older and/or have astigmatism.
Forgotten weapons for me is slowly turning from a "Hey, the mechanical solutions are pretty neat in that gun" to "Hey, that gun is pretty neat, I'm gonna go look into whether I can get my hands on one for reasonable price". Learning about guns is fun, but owning and shooting them at the range is even more fun. I'm really eyeing a civillian Scorpion Evo my local shop has in store right, I love smgs and mini carbines.
They need to make a dedicated 5.56 model in order to shed the extra pounds.
Seems like, since this is already a tax stamp gun, it may make sense for them to make an integrally suppressed 300BLK so that it gets that extra back pressure to operate reliably from the longer gas system.
Love mine! Nice recoil, and feels amazing in my hands. Closest thing I’ll probably ever get to a real Magpul pdr-c.
Literally looks like those weapon drafts I drew back in highschool. Compact, ergonomic and precise.
Lol same
I thought I was going to create the greatest rifle ever, my idea was a 12.5 inch bull pup in 6.5 grendel
I used the micron @300m & it could hit 92/100 on a silhouette target @ 1rd/2s. It's really surprising how well it does! 😃
Welp, that's another bullpup on my list of dreams
That RFB 24 has a extremely nice trigger. No take up and the break is really light
Very sci-fi.
Much magic.
So wooo.
Wow that bolt action was sooo smooth mind blown
I have an MDRX in .556 and you can buy the micron conversion kit for it. I haven't done it yet because I don't want to give the Government any money for an SBR when the forward election model I have works wonderfully! But it is awesome to see it in action and I still want it lol!! Great job as always brother!!
This. This is exactly how bullpups should be utilised. Absolute min-maxing
I’m not a bull pup guy, but I would buy that one.
Very cool to be able to follow along with the development of this gun
Beautiful gun, and cool to see that it shoots well too! I always loved tiny but accurate rifles, my favourite loadout when playing Arma 3 coop is an MXC with Holo while everybody else carries some sort of a sniper for 300m engagements 🙃
The funny thing is a tiny .556 rifle with a lpvo on top can easily engage targets anywhere from 0-300 meters. With just a red dot on my 11 inch ar15 I can consistently hit a torso plate out at 300 meters, the bullet might be a little slow by then but I still don't want to get hit with it.
@@justindunlap1235Elcan Spectre!
That's an extremely compact and very capable rifle, which can comfortably fit where few others can.
This would be great in 300 Blackout with a suppressor.
Edit: nevermind, guess we're not getting that anytime soon.
The normal size (not the super short barrels) does have a .300 Blackout option barrel, but I guess the super short barrel is so short there isn't enough barrel past the gas block to put enough pressure in the gas system.
@@shred1894 Not anymore, they discontinued it after my .300blk and several others would catastrophically fail in less than 100 rounds repeatedly. I have spent the last year going back and forth with I think at this point almost 15 RMAs to get a working rifle. Funnily enough mine is actually a Micron now and it had 2 RMAs for faulty parts but is actually functioning finally.
Bull pup fan…this looks awesome and appears trigger is good based on your results
Perfect for personal protection
Body gaurd work
You could easily shoot fromm a vehicle with this gun
The machinist in me is very pleased by that flash hider.
reminds me of the magpul PDWR
same
I simply love it when he gets his hands on modern weaponry
I really think bullpups are the future, but the one piece I still don’t understand is weight. Why are they so heavy? There is no real reason. I’ve heard they have to be beefier for safety because of chamber location, but you don’t want a standard rifle to explode near your face either. DT has proven the trigger can be fixed. Ergonomics are no problem if you actually take ~30min to train them. And the modern trend toward shorter rifles and suppressor / light-laser use are all things that fit the bullpup well as it retains barrel length while being short oal and balances better than conventional designs with a heavy suppressor and laser all the way on the end. To reiterate… why can’t they make a 6.5-7lb bullpup?!
The Kel-tec RDB is pretty much in the weight range you just described. And in its RDB-S variant is even lighter, at 5lb 14oz.
The higher weights comes from the need to make the receiver save from the grip backwards cause you put your face their. The upside is that even with higher weight, the weight distribution lends itself for long marches cause most of the weight is close to the body. AR builds with lots of accessories and a heavy barrel are quite front heavy so some soldiers added a front grip just to make carrying easier. The big downsides of a bullpup are the trigger (long bars in most designs, best probably the RDB) and limited space at the front. Other than that there is problematic access to clear malfunctions and most lack an adjustable stock.
@@onpsxmember see that’s where I disagree… you don’t see ARs exploding, so there is no reason a bullpup has to be made any stronger just because it’s an inch or two closer to your face. An exploding AR would still be right near your eyes and neck. The “inaccessibility” of clearing malfunctions is completely false except for weird designs like the F2000 or alternate forward ejecting DT.
Feels like a mrk 2 of this could iron out the issues Ian pointed out. Then be amazing bullpup.
I know this comes with its own drawbacks, but, has anyone thought of doing an electronic Trigger on a bullpups? Seems the main complaint is always the trigger pull, that could totally remove that.
No, nobody tries cause they'd get sacked quickly since e-triggers are too easily changed to a fun switch.
not to mention the reliability aspect of not having a mechanical connection with the trigger mechanism
@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 most vehicles don't use mechanical trigger mechanisms, solenoids are very reliable, about as simple as electrical systems get.
Legal issues. ATF doesn't like e-triggers in semi autos.
The BATFE (Bane of All Things Fun and Enjoyable) would never let that exist. Sad, but it WOULD be a good idea.
Lot of fun to see you shoot this gun, thanks!
Its so cute!
Looks good for a security detail, truck gun, and or bug out bag. 11.5 55.6 gets the job done in shorter engagements just fine as well. All in all its a nich weapon but it's still cool af.
The thing about short barrels being bad at long range was something that Hickock45 taught me was wrong in a video from some years ago. His explanation was pretty simple. The shorter a barrel is the less it will flex if everything else is equal. That means that the precision can actually be higher with a shorter barrel. However the muzzle velocity will be lower so the bullet will take longer to get to the target. This makes it more susceptible to wind. So the end result depends on the situation.
Other than that the sight radius using iron sights is also going to weigh in, but again even though they are still as precise, your accuracy using them will be lower.
A barrel can be to short, but it's probably shorter than you think. A too short barrel is one where the bullet doesn't stabilized into the rifling and exits while still not true to the center axis of the barrel.
So the ideal barrel length isn't always going to be the same. If you need the muzzle velocity you go for a barrel that allows the best use of the powder. But then you may have to up the barrel weight to make it stiffer. Now to be honest most of us would probably not be able to make use of the difference. But the physics is still there.
5.56 doesn’t like to come from barrels under ~10”. You lose a lot of accuracy under 10” with 5.56. This 11.5” should be absolutely shootable out to 300-400yd, which is *more* than plenty for a 5.56 rifle.
The original IMI X95 with their 13in barrels deserve credit as the OG tiny bullpup.
Do they predate the SA80 carbine?
4:20 Weird notion, but I wonder why they can't just thin the piston... would that not increase the gas pressure? Perhaps simply not by enough for how thin they can realistically get it.
Edit: the MDRx is not a DI gun*
The problem is that as the round travels down the barrel, the gas pressure behind it drops. You can't increase pressure once its dropped, all decreasing tube size would do would be to allow less gas to be siphoned off.
@@iamcondescending that wasn't very condescending
Gas tube? It's short stroke gas piston (like pretty much all modern rifles), it dosn't have "gas tube". And you can't just make gas block and piston smaller. They have to be certain size to withstand forces acting on them times safety factor (whatever Desert Tech is using, but most likely at least 1.5)
Americans and their AR fetish...
You might increase flow pressure to the chamber, but the tradeoff would be volume. Given the short distance between the gas tap and the end of the barrel, there may not be enough time to pressurize the cycling system to a sufficient degree...
As stated by others, the MDRX uses a short stroke gas piston operation.
That "tube" houses a gas piston, you can't just simply make it thinner. It would require a complete redesign of the entire gas system.
Thank you , Ian .
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That looks the perfect truck gun and home defense gun. Wish I could get one. With a red dot on top.
This feels like the type of gun you'd see a game erroneously designate as a submachine gun.
(So much so that I actually had to go to IMFDB to make sure I had not seen this in a game before)
5.56mm in a relatively heavy gun does make for a comfortable recoil. This logically decreases the advantage of a muzzle brake and being short increases the disadvantages.
I definitely like the slightly longer format, but definitely adding in dynamic shooting helps add a bit of experience value to the videos. The History/Exterior - Teardown/Design - Experience/Performance formula seems like it does a good job of explaining everything you need to know.
Not surprised seeing Ian's Laugo on his hip at the range. Sponsored or not, he's really making me like that pistol.
They need to take SBRs off the NFA list. Imagine how many more companies can make stuff like this
I'm surprised this hasn't been used in a sci-fi movie as a prop.
Glad I'm not alone in the thought that this thing looks adorable.
Yet it's something I'd be proud to show off and try down the range. Not gonna lie, I kind of want it bad. Probably costs like $5000 or something though.
8.6 Blackout needs to happen in this platform.
That may be the coolest new rifle I’ve seen
Looks amazing, the only pullpup I've ever wanted.
This is another very compelling argument for the bullpup by Desert Tech. Like many others, probably, I was saddened by the issue with .300 Blackout. Hopefully they'll find a workaround in this chassis, or if not, its next iteration.